Joint Centration as DNS calls it, or Instantaneous center of rotation as Shirley Sahrman calls it, is important. Pack the neck, and use your diaphragm, pelvic floor, TA, and Multifidus to help stabilize your axial skeleton. If your not doing those things ( among many others) your not maximizing your potential and or you will get hurt.
I mean this respectfully, but anyone who disagrees with not striving for Neutral spine and "good" patterning, I'm a tough sell. Please go read Janda, Shirley Sahrman, Stuart McGill, and Charlie Weingroff and if you still disagree please contact me, because I find your opinion very valuable and I'd love to hear what the devil's advocate has to say. Just fyi, Charlie Squats 800 lbs, so even if you don't like what i have to say, you prolly should go look him up at the very least.
@roquey44 The video is garbage, I'll give you guys that. It was meant to illustrate the very common mistakes of the lift for online clients of mine. To the nay sayers, I'm not talkin real powerlifting, in that sport, you pick it up? Good you win. The best deadlifters in the world will have an increase kyphosis, absolutely. Are you training for sport, general fitness? I'm a hard sell that you should NOT try and correct a lack of thoracic extension.
i have no idea how to deadlift properly, i think getting technique right is harder than lifting heavy weights, i just fuckin do it, wrong or not im not injured and i make progress every week
@smats42 so damn wrong....i am a medicine student and i know that even if you never get injured , all the "bad" strsss to the joints from bad technique will result in many problems after a long period of time...
@PaPo0Se546 "medicine" student? do you mean "medical" student? either way, good for you. your parents must be so proud. im assuming he is at least trying to improve his technique because he watched this video. as long as he improves, and doesnt get hurt, its fine in my opinion. in the meantime i assume he wants to get bigger or stronger, so hes lifting as best he can.
if you really want to help, why dont you respond to "I1ttleguy1", the poster i was responding to?
@smats42 fuck you u ignorant prick , i am tired of irresponsible "gurus"" of weightlifting...wtf "i dont think theres a problem with that if it doesnt injure you. move those heavy weights!"...there WILL be a problem when he slips a disk ...the last thing young inexperianced lifters need is some crappy irresponsible advice like the one u give...
P.S. my english is bad , because i am from greece.....
Id Agree, This is a super old video and even though I'm still nothing close to an expert, I knew A hell of a lot less then. My answer as of know would be it depends on what we are doing, what is our goal, what is our sport. Powerlifter is going to see that kyphosis. I'm a tough sell in allowing lack of extension (to "neutral") of the thoracic spine and scapular position.
More importantly is a packed neck, with the successive cervical vertebrae aligned.
@stpconnor13 Should have edited that before i sent it. I'm a tough sell in allowing a lack of thoracic extension and neutral scapular position for sport conditioning or just general movement quality. Good positioning and "centration" of joints provides the nervous system with good feedback letting the output know, "all systems are go". There are certainly worse things you can do like lack neuromuscular control of the pelvic and lumbar stabilizers. Pack the neck!
I agree, while one of the first things I try to get my athletes to do is get those hips fully through. But you are correct, hyperextension is a better term here. I like the midfoot comment over here too.
I think you mean hyperextension of the back...you're going to want to extend (i.e. knee and trunk extension) but not hyperextend which will most certainly cause lower back problems.
The first two mistakes often happen together. Lifters often can't keep their shoulders back so you see kyphosis (round upper back). Rarely do I see simultaneous knee and trunk extension. Almost always the knees begin to extend and then the trunk follows. This usually means the weight is too heavy. In my opinion bring down the weight and let your grip, posterior chain and upper back all progress TOGETHER. Move up in small increments and allow for that nervous system to adapt to the weight
Joint Centration as DNS calls it, or Instantaneous center of rotation as Shirley Sahrman calls it, is important. Pack the neck, and use your diaphragm, pelvic floor, TA, and Multifidus to help stabilize your axial skeleton. If your not doing those things ( among many others) your not maximizing your potential and or you will get hurt.
stpconnor13 3 months ago
I mean this respectfully, but anyone who disagrees with not striving for Neutral spine and "good" patterning, I'm a tough sell. Please go read Janda, Shirley Sahrman, Stuart McGill, and Charlie Weingroff and if you still disagree please contact me, because I find your opinion very valuable and I'd love to hear what the devil's advocate has to say. Just fyi, Charlie Squats 800 lbs, so even if you don't like what i have to say, you prolly should go look him up at the very least.
stpconnor13 3 months ago
I agree with 1 and 3, but #2? Ahh . . .
roquey44 3 months ago
@roquey44 The video is garbage, I'll give you guys that. It was meant to illustrate the very common mistakes of the lift for online clients of mine. To the nay sayers, I'm not talkin real powerlifting, in that sport, you pick it up? Good you win. The best deadlifters in the world will have an increase kyphosis, absolutely. Are you training for sport, general fitness? I'm a hard sell that you should NOT try and correct a lack of thoracic extension.
stpconnor13 3 months ago
I don´t know why this vid has so many dislikes ?
Are you just to lazy to read?
erwinfummel 3 months ago
i have no idea how to deadlift properly, i think getting technique right is harder than lifting heavy weights, i just fuckin do it, wrong or not im not injured and i make progress every week
l1ttleguy1 4 months ago
@l1ttleguy1 i dont think theres a problem with that if it doesnt injure you. move those heavy weights!
smats42 4 months ago
@smats42 so damn wrong....i am a medicine student and i know that even if you never get injured , all the "bad" strsss to the joints from bad technique will result in many problems after a long period of time...
PaPo0Se546 3 months ago
@PaPo0Se546 "medicine" student? do you mean "medical" student? either way, good for you. your parents must be so proud. im assuming he is at least trying to improve his technique because he watched this video. as long as he improves, and doesnt get hurt, its fine in my opinion. in the meantime i assume he wants to get bigger or stronger, so hes lifting as best he can.
if you really want to help, why dont you respond to "I1ttleguy1", the poster i was responding to?
smats42 3 months ago
@smats42 or if you dont want to help anyone, go fuck yourself. i dont care. youtube debates are fucking gay. i regret commenting already.
good luck in school
smats42 3 months ago
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@smats42 fuck you u ignorant prick , i am tired of irresponsible "gurus"" of weightlifting...wtf "i dont think theres a problem with that if it doesnt injure you. move those heavy weights!"...there WILL be a problem when he slips a disk ...the last thing young inexperianced lifters need is some crappy irresponsible advice like the one u give...
P.S. my english is bad , because i am from greece.....
PaPo0Se546 3 months ago
Id Agree, This is a super old video and even though I'm still nothing close to an expert, I knew A hell of a lot less then. My answer as of know would be it depends on what we are doing, what is our goal, what is our sport. Powerlifter is going to see that kyphosis. I'm a tough sell in allowing lack of extension (to "neutral") of the thoracic spine and scapular position.
More importantly is a packed neck, with the successive cervical vertebrae aligned.
stpconnor13 4 months ago
@stpconnor13 Should have edited that before i sent it. I'm a tough sell in allowing a lack of thoracic extension and neutral scapular position for sport conditioning or just general movement quality. Good positioning and "centration" of joints provides the nervous system with good feedback letting the output know, "all systems are go". There are certainly worse things you can do like lack neuromuscular control of the pelvic and lumbar stabilizers. Pack the neck!
stpconnor13 4 months ago
Number 2 isn't a mistake. Look at just about any good deadlifter, their upper back will be rounded to some degree (but not that lower back).
scarbo811 4 months ago
@scarbo811 Agreed my man, I responded above, twice because my first one was sloppy.
stpconnor13 4 months ago
NO HELP AT ALL FAQ. wow waste of my time!
BlackopsPs3vevo 6 months ago
@BlackopsPs3vevo Preciate the good energy. Good luck
stpconnor13 6 months ago
I agree, while one of the first things I try to get my athletes to do is get those hips fully through. But you are correct, hyperextension is a better term here. I like the midfoot comment over here too.
stpconnor13 11 months ago
I think you mean hyperextension of the back...you're going to want to extend (i.e. knee and trunk extension) but not hyperextend which will most certainly cause lower back problems.
SFO14 11 months ago
i like it, in order to get a good line of pull I agree a good landmark is having the bar right about mid foot, just in front of the "ankle".
stpconnor13 1 year ago
4: bar not over the midfoot.
bangbongbong 1 year ago
The first two mistakes often happen together. Lifters often can't keep their shoulders back so you see kyphosis (round upper back). Rarely do I see simultaneous knee and trunk extension. Almost always the knees begin to extend and then the trunk follows. This usually means the weight is too heavy. In my opinion bring down the weight and let your grip, posterior chain and upper back all progress TOGETHER. Move up in small increments and allow for that nervous system to adapt to the weight
stpconnor13 2 years ago