That's nothing. When my wife and her sister ran in the Cure For Cancer 10k race on Broad St. about a month or so ago they referred to the Broad St. Subway as a trolley ("We have to ride the trolley up to Olney Ave.").
In fact it gets even better: I remember talking to someone in Southern NJ and she told me about ".....the trolley or whatever that you catch in Haddonfield that takes you to Philly." Also some people refer to the NJT RiverLINE as a trolley (Yes, the RiverLINE!!!) because it runs through the streets of Camden in streetcar fashion.
Beleive it or not the Rockhill Trolley Museum's brochure as of a few years ago described the Liberty Liner as "Our Largest Trolley." How do you call a 4-section articulated TRAIN a trolley? The Pioneer Zephyr and the City of Salina were both 1 section LESS than the Liberty Liners and they were NEVER called trolleys!! Just goes to show you.
Where else but on SEPTA can something start out as a trolley, get rebuilt as a subway/elevated car, only to go back to being called a trolley again while still looking like a subway/elevated car and still running on third rail trackage?
RDG484, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for defending the HONOR of the Rt.100 Line. I WANT TO TEAR A NEW ONE IN PEOPLE WHO CALLS THIS LINE A TROLLEY LINE. Im a Rt. 100 Operator, and the same controls that the El (N4 Car) has, the Rt.100 (N5 Car) has.The centerstine, or the controller, p4 p3 p2 p1 and b7 b5 b4 and coast. Both Train cars, N5 and N4 has the same. and yet, we go up to 75 miles per hour! and we are a trolley line? I even hear the news call us a trolley. WTF!!!!!!!
You're very welcome. In fact like I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread that the Rt. 100 line was the Philadelphia & Western RAILROAD. Only when SEPTA took the line over in 1970 did they start successfully conning the newsmedia into beleiving that it became a "High-Speed Trolley." In fact SEPTA's management is still VERY adament in beleiving that it IS INDEED a trolley line and not a railroad. Or else KYW 1060 and the TV news channels would be calling it something other than trolley.
In fact I remember one occasion when a CTA pair derailed and the incident was on the local news, which said "SEPTA Trolley Derailment Snarls Service." Then they show the front of a CTA car with its front trucks on the ground, somewhere near 69th St.
So where was the trolley? Just goes to show you....
I just read the November 2008 issue of Railpace and on page 15 there is a photo of a 2-car train of N-5's leaving Gulph Mills. There is a huge new sign in the photo saying "Route 100 TROLLEY station." WHAT A DISGRACE!!!! If I had any say in the matter I would take it upon myself to get a ladder and paint out the word "trolley" on that sign and replace it with "RAILROAD." I have NEVER referred to it as a trolley line and I never will. To me it was, is, and always will be the "P&W RAILROAD."
I can't beleive that even the CTA cars, knowing they are SUBWAY/ELEVATED cars, were still referred to as TROLLEYS by the locals; even though they ran on a line that was a RAILROAD, whose equipment were always referred to as TRAINS only until 1970. It just amazes me that during the next 14 year period how the description and POLITICALLY correct term "TROLLEY" really caught on like wildfire for a line that just 14 years earlier was a true bona-fide, honest-to-gosh RAILROAD.
When I take this line, I see these cars at the 69th street shop rusting. Nice vid
ETrain919 16 hours ago
Never seen those before. lol
DeltaPhi79 1 year ago
That's nothing. When my wife and her sister ran in the Cure For Cancer 10k race on Broad St. about a month or so ago they referred to the Broad St. Subway as a trolley ("We have to ride the trolley up to Olney Ave.").
nyshortline 1 year ago
In fact it gets even better: I remember talking to someone in Southern NJ and she told me about ".....the trolley or whatever that you catch in Haddonfield that takes you to Philly." Also some people refer to the NJT RiverLINE as a trolley (Yes, the RiverLINE!!!) because it runs through the streets of Camden in streetcar fashion.
RDG484 2 years ago 3
Beleive it or not the Rockhill Trolley Museum's brochure as of a few years ago described the Liberty Liner as "Our Largest Trolley." How do you call a 4-section articulated TRAIN a trolley? The Pioneer Zephyr and the City of Salina were both 1 section LESS than the Liberty Liners and they were NEVER called trolleys!! Just goes to show you.
RDG484 2 years ago 3
Where else but on SEPTA can something start out as a trolley, get rebuilt as a subway/elevated car, only to go back to being called a trolley again while still looking like a subway/elevated car and still running on third rail trackage?
Only in Philly........:>/
RDG484 2 years ago 4
RDG484, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for defending the HONOR of the Rt.100 Line. I WANT TO TEAR A NEW ONE IN PEOPLE WHO CALLS THIS LINE A TROLLEY LINE. Im a Rt. 100 Operator, and the same controls that the El (N4 Car) has, the Rt.100 (N5 Car) has.The centerstine, or the controller, p4 p3 p2 p1 and b7 b5 b4 and coast. Both Train cars, N5 and N4 has the same. and yet, we go up to 75 miles per hour! and we are a trolley line? I even hear the news call us a trolley. WTF!!!!!!!
busoperator1 2 years ago 14
You're very welcome. In fact like I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread that the Rt. 100 line was the Philadelphia & Western RAILROAD. Only when SEPTA took the line over in 1970 did they start successfully conning the newsmedia into beleiving that it became a "High-Speed Trolley." In fact SEPTA's management is still VERY adament in beleiving that it IS INDEED a trolley line and not a railroad. Or else KYW 1060 and the TV news channels would be calling it something other than trolley.
RDG484 2 years ago 3
In fact I remember one occasion when a CTA pair derailed and the incident was on the local news, which said "SEPTA Trolley Derailment Snarls Service." Then they show the front of a CTA car with its front trucks on the ground, somewhere near 69th St.
So where was the trolley? Just goes to show you....
RDG484 3 years ago 4
I just read the November 2008 issue of Railpace and on page 15 there is a photo of a 2-car train of N-5's leaving Gulph Mills. There is a huge new sign in the photo saying "Route 100 TROLLEY station." WHAT A DISGRACE!!!! If I had any say in the matter I would take it upon myself to get a ladder and paint out the word "trolley" on that sign and replace it with "RAILROAD." I have NEVER referred to it as a trolley line and I never will. To me it was, is, and always will be the "P&W RAILROAD."
RDG484 3 years ago 4
They changed the sign to High Speed Station. I pissed a Bitch when I saw that they put that disgrace of a sign up there
busoperator1 2 years ago 5
keep in mind that those cta cars were based off the pcc design with subway characteristics. :)
subway007 3 years ago
And *NO* headlight?
RDG484 3 years ago 2
Yep. Guess they were trying to save juice?
rdg2124 3 years ago
I can't beleive that even the CTA cars, knowing they are SUBWAY/ELEVATED cars, were still referred to as TROLLEYS by the locals; even though they ran on a line that was a RAILROAD, whose equipment were always referred to as TRAINS only until 1970. It just amazes me that during the next 14 year period how the description and POLITICALLY correct term "TROLLEY" really caught on like wildfire for a line that just 14 years earlier was a true bona-fide, honest-to-gosh RAILROAD.
RDG484 3 years ago