Wait a minute, he says there are less UFOs sightings by astronomers. Does that mean that there ARE UFOs sightings by astronomers? Of course, zero is less than any sighting, but he could have said "none" instead of "less".
Nicely said, I don't buy into the extraterrestrial visitor hypothesis. We are just too far out of the way for such a casual encounter. Also, try to realise that any ET further than 100LY from Earth, would have little chance of actually knowing we are here.
UFOs make sense. Consider an advanced civilization 200,000 years ahead of us. Im sure they know a few things we dont. The aliens most likely have their own version of SETI. Earth would be a prime target to search. An analysis of our atmosphere would make interesting data. Objects peforming in ways we cant, would be a characteristic of craft from advanced races. Take an apached helicopter to the middle ages, and try to explain it. Thats only 400 years or so.
What a dumb argument. Of course it always remains unidentified, but if this thing makes unnatural movements and is able to accelerate to Mach10 from standing still, it is not strange to say that the UFO is under intelligent control and is probably using technology that we humans don't have. Mind you, these reports are numerous and started surfacing already in the 40's and 50's. Tyson is just playing a stupid word game and doesn't look at the facts. How scientific...
Futher more, when he talks about testimonial evidence, we can all agree that it is not the at all the most concrete evidence, especially when it comes from ordinary citizens in society, but you can not so easily discount the testimonial evidence submitted by military air force pilots, who's accounts can be verified on radar. soo UNIDENTIFIED flying objects are real, now believe what ever you want on whether or not certain governments have full extensive knowledge on UFOs.....
@ramzi8722 "but you can not so easily discount the testimonial evidence submitted by military air force pilots, who's accounts can be verified on radar."
at which point its no longer simply eyewitness testimony and becomes recorded physical evidence.
he enjoys attention, instead of really talking about evidence that are not witness accounts provided by Numerous countries including United States of America. The evidence "documents" that have been released by these governments show picture, and radar confirmation.
In the end though, he's not discounting ANYTHING about the alien or UFO phenom. He's just stating science can't make a claim unless they have proof, and the facts that lots of people might mistake natural phenomenon for the UFO. He's and he's BRILLIANT. But in the end he's still not seeing the bigger picture.There are some things that can't be mistaken. There are some things that cannot be unseen.Maybe many people are imagining ufo's.But I guarantee you many of them aren't
Based on some projection there may be several hundred times as many planets as stars. Even with this maybe half or so of the planets in the Solar System would not be known around the nearest star, at least a large fraction of the points in the night sky are not even one star but several close together ones and it is now known that more than half of sunlike stars have planets. Our universe is a big place maybe 10^10^10 times bigger than known think about that.
I love this guy,funny,smart as hell,smooth talker,he´s brilliant.But its here where our roads go separate ways,UFO´s are not unidentified objects,you must take things by stages,first dr. Neil before saying us to pay attention to the U in UFO must realize if he believes in the tellings of ppl who saw it,if he doesnt believe its over and he shouldnt even talk about ufo´s beeing whatever he thinks they are or what the U stands for...
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What a dumb argument. Of course it always remains unidentified, but if this thing makes unnatural movements and is able to accelerate to Mach10 from standing still, it is not strange to say that the UFO is under intelligent control and is probably using technology that we humans don't have. Mind you, these reports are numerous and started surfacing already in the 40's and 50's. Tyson is just playing a stupid word game and doesn't look at the facts. How scientific...
Why does someone need to be an astrophysicist to realize that technology that doesn't exist on our earth, must be not from our earth? I'm not saying UFO's exist, but credible witnesses have stated that they saw flying discs with incredible technology. The only point I'm making is that Tyson is playing a word game that doesn't hold up when looking at the details of certain cases.
@camelotradio a minute, his premise is true, if something goes from mach 10 to 0 then it is probably being controlled intelligently. that is probably true. in this, if A then B. his conclusion is false. He says B, therefore there has must been an A. In this argument, he has already assumed that something is intelligently controlled, therefore it makes sense to him that it was going mach 10 to begin with, without even looking at the possibility that his eyes were mistaken.
@camelotradio It's painful reading you attack his probable lack of credentials when there is an alarming and much more glaring complete and utter failure of logic in his or her post.
How much is 1+1? People observe objects that are under intelligent control and make use of technologies way beyond our human capabilities. It's not strange to think they're alien. Or do you think they are controlled by dolphins or some other intelligent underwater species?
@NLPCPNL what facts? his point is that he doesn't presume to know the facts, and doesn't think you should either without sufficient evidence, because witness testimony doesn't actually make a difference.
He doesn't know the facts, because he didn't do any research. But hey, if the debunkers want to continue pretending that there is nothing going on be my guest. There are declassified documents that show that the US government takes UFO's very very seriously while there official stand is that there is nothing going on.
Just google "Twelve Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously" and read the website and then tell me nothing is going on...
Recenlty the Head of the UFO files in Britain Nick Pope, admitted that the government had an active policy of ridiculing UFO's. Why is that?
And go on youtube and watch the lecture The Black Vault and UFO Secrecy - John Greenewald, Jr. LIVE
This clearly shows the US government is blatantly lying about their interest in UFO's. They actually take it very seriously. But their policy of ridicule has worked very well, juding from Tyson's views and his arguments for it.
Oh ok, I'm ignorant now. Can please explain to me what Trumbull Ohio was? Phoenix Lights? Hessdalen? Zimbabwe 1994? Westall Australia 1966? I bet you don't know half of these cases, so why would YOU call ME ignorant?
Why are you trying to evade my point? Without proof it never happened, that's what you're saying. So you're also saying that you refuse to call your dad your dad and your mum your mum until they've taken a DNA test right? You don't even see it yourself, but science is not everything. Science is a tool that helps us understand the world. You're treating science as it's a religion.
Not evading you point at all, You obviously do not have all the facts, i could find things on wikipedia claiming what you did, and that's a "Accurate" source, We humans could easily without the publics knowledge have made advanced technology in any form, and your examples are shit, if anything were to accelerate from 0 - 10 mach, within seconds, would, according to physics mean, that you die, i will rest this case, drche420 has already blown to many holes in you're arguments
And if you have all the facts, as you make it out to be, put them forth(as if people haven't tried already) and prove the public and Neil wrong and so on, You are most likely to be ignored, as someone asked what you're Credentials are etc, can't see a reply, And also, where did Religion come into the picture^^ i don't believe, i prefer to know^^
Exactly, according to our physics you would die. And that's the extra-terrestrial hypothesis can be a valid one. Apparently we are dealing with technology not of this Earth, or many credible witnesses are lying and hallucinating. But since you know it all, what is your opinion on the COMETA report and why should I take you more seriously than the high-ranking intelligent people who drew up this report and concluded the extra terr. hypothesis is the best to explain some cases?
Way to make an argument from ignorance. You should have been paying attention. Just because you can't conceive of humans producing technology capable of behaving like you described, doesn't mean humans haven't. Your fallacy is obviously ignorance.
I see what you are saying, but then you need to explain why secret technologies are being tested above towns and cities causing a panic under civilians and police forces and you need to explain why the airforce is scrambled time and time again to chase the secret technologies owned by their own government. This has all been documented very well.
Irrelevant. If you see something in the sky you can't explain, then you can't explain it. You either can't explain it or you can. It seems like you're stuck in an argument from ignorance: "I can't think of how/why this could happen, therefore it must be X, Y, Z, etc."
It's irrelevant from the point of cold hard evidence. It's not irrelevant when looking at the matter deductively. I'm not saying there is hard scientific evidence that proves beyond any doubt that we are being visited, I'm saying there are serious clues that point the way of alien visitation.
I'm not interested in what you consider "serious clues", aka your intuition. I am only interested in what is demonstrable. Deductive reasoning fails us when our premises are false. Unless you can demonstrate your premise ( extraterrestrial technology ), you have no reason to believe either.
What in the hell do I care about "believing"... believing is the same as saying that you don't know. I don't want to believe, I want to know. Nowehere have I said that I believe. And if you think that 400 witnesses from high positions within the military, intelligence services, airforce and so on are not credible and can't be taken seriously that I pity you. Keep on hiding behind science. At least I'm intelligent enough to know that science is a tool, not a religion.
You're confusing knowledge with absolute certainty. Heads up, absolute certainty is useless. I only "know" something beyond reasonable doubt. If there is significant doubt, I do not claim to "know" something.
You're playing stupid word games just like most "skeptics". We KNOW that at least 400 high-ranking people from within the military, airforce, intelligence services and so on say that it is likely that Earth is being visited or something of the sort. And these people share their stories with us, they don't just give their opinion. Either they are whistleblowers or they are all crazy. I think we should at least take them seriously and you apparently don't. Have fun hiding.
"Either they are lying, or they are mistaken. I do not presume to know which."
Did you just say that?? Apparently you presume to know that at least they can't be telling the truth!! You pretend to keep an open mind and that you're not judging people but you apparently are my friend. Busted!
There are UFOs, there is alien life. Unfortunately for us, these aliens are not the UFOs that we see.
threadysparrow 6 hours ago
Wait a minute, he says there are less UFOs sightings by astronomers. Does that mean that there ARE UFOs sightings by astronomers? Of course, zero is less than any sighting, but he could have said "none" instead of "less".
fernetalternativo 1 day ago
I'd pay to see this dude in concert, stand-up style.
Xanxei1 2 weeks ago
Nicely said, I don't buy into the extraterrestrial visitor hypothesis. We are just too far out of the way for such a casual encounter. Also, try to realise that any ET further than 100LY from Earth, would have little chance of actually knowing we are here.
hughc023 3 weeks ago
Watch out, we got a badass over here.
toxitschni 3 weeks ago
UFOs make sense. Consider an advanced civilization 200,000 years ahead of us. Im sure they know a few things we dont. The aliens most likely have their own version of SETI. Earth would be a prime target to search. An analysis of our atmosphere would make interesting data. Objects peforming in ways we cant, would be a characteristic of craft from advanced races. Take an apached helicopter to the middle ages, and try to explain it. Thats only 400 years or so.
itsabomberscope 1 month ago
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What a dumb argument. Of course it always remains unidentified, but if this thing makes unnatural movements and is able to accelerate to Mach10 from standing still, it is not strange to say that the UFO is under intelligent control and is probably using technology that we humans don't have. Mind you, these reports are numerous and started surfacing already in the 40's and 50's. Tyson is just playing a stupid word game and doesn't look at the facts. How scientific...
MastersOfInfinity 1 month ago
Futher more, when he talks about testimonial evidence, we can all agree that it is not the at all the most concrete evidence, especially when it comes from ordinary citizens in society, but you can not so easily discount the testimonial evidence submitted by military air force pilots, who's accounts can be verified on radar. soo UNIDENTIFIED flying objects are real, now believe what ever you want on whether or not certain governments have full extensive knowledge on UFOs.....
ramzi8722 1 month ago
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@ramzi8722 "but you can not so easily discount the testimonial evidence submitted by military air force pilots, who's accounts can be verified on radar."
at which point its no longer simply eyewitness testimony and becomes recorded physical evidence.
which demonstrates the point.
stiimuli 6 days ago
he enjoys attention, instead of really talking about evidence that are not witness accounts provided by Numerous countries including United States of America. The evidence "documents" that have been released by these governments show picture, and radar confirmation.
ramzi8722 1 month ago
He's a brilliant man.
In the end though, he's not discounting ANYTHING about the alien or UFO phenom. He's just stating science can't make a claim unless they have proof, and the facts that lots of people might mistake natural phenomenon for the UFO. He's and he's BRILLIANT. But in the end he's still not seeing the bigger picture.There are some things that can't be mistaken. There are some things that cannot be unseen.Maybe many people are imagining ufo's.But I guarantee you many of them aren't
cloud0123 2 months ago
@cloud0123 Yeah, well, he's your typical science guy. Sometimes I think we'd be better off without the scientific method.
ruffeeh 2 months ago
Based on some projection there may be several hundred times as many planets as stars. Even with this maybe half or so of the planets in the Solar System would not be known around the nearest star, at least a large fraction of the points in the night sky are not even one star but several close together ones and it is now known that more than half of sunlike stars have planets. Our universe is a big place maybe 10^10^10 times bigger than known think about that.
RJL738 3 months ago
Three people couldn't grab the ashtray.
Keldroc 3 months ago
As much as I like Neil,....this argument/comedy routine is old.
Show me evidence...or it doesn`t exist....blah blah blah
There are crazy people...blah blah blah....
Neil,..nice comedy routine.
Some of us wanted to hear some real thoughts on the subject.
Shivas983e 4 months ago
he's right, but he doesn't need act like such a jerk about it
alikill 4 months ago
So they are not unidentified we just dont have a complete I.D. to detaill,they might be from other galaxys,other dimensions
or parallel universes that its possible,what is not possible and i refuse to believe its that millions of people
around the wourld are liars or crazy folks or people needing new glasses.Sometimes when something that seems
so miraculous or hard to happen is thrown so easy we have a hardtime aknowledge,thats all.
Markhuntonio 4 months ago
Next stage,if they are machines that fly who are certainlly not from earth and are stated to transport
beeings inside who must surrely be from the inteligent kind then we can assume we know what they are and even better
what they arent,they are not swamp gaz dr. neil and planets,comets or stars dont change courses specially several times
in few minutes or follow jacts like many pilots say.
Markhuntonio 4 months ago
And if he believes in those millions of people who saw it only then he should start thinking on severall aspects,
first aspect they fly PERIOD,second they are machines PERIOD,third they have beeings inside,fourth they are not from
our planet,to who believes in the sights these are all facts and cant be refucted otherwise than saying well i dont believe at all.
Markhuntonio 4 months ago
I love this guy,funny,smart as hell,smooth talker,he´s brilliant.But its here where our roads go separate ways,UFO´s are not unidentified objects,you must take things by stages,first dr. Neil before saying us to pay attention to the U in UFO must realize if he believes in the tellings of ppl who saw it,if he doesnt believe its over and he shouldnt even talk about ufo´s beeing whatever he thinks they are or what the U stands for...
Markhuntonio 4 months ago
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What a dumb argument. Of course it always remains unidentified, but if this thing makes unnatural movements and is able to accelerate to Mach10 from standing still, it is not strange to say that the UFO is under intelligent control and is probably using technology that we humans don't have. Mind you, these reports are numerous and started surfacing already in the 40's and 50's. Tyson is just playing a stupid word game and doesn't look at the facts. How scientific...
NLPCPNL 5 months ago
@NLPCPNL And your credentials are? Are you an astrophysicist?
camelotradio 5 months ago 8
@camelotradio
Why does someone need to be an astrophysicist to realize that technology that doesn't exist on our earth, must be not from our earth? I'm not saying UFO's exist, but credible witnesses have stated that they saw flying discs with incredible technology. The only point I'm making is that Tyson is playing a word game that doesn't hold up when looking at the details of certain cases.
NLPCPNL 5 months ago
@camelotradio
Since when is identifying a technological phenomenon in the air, part of the training for an astrophycisist?
NLPCPNL 3 months ago
@camelotradio a minute, his premise is true, if something goes from mach 10 to 0 then it is probably being controlled intelligently. that is probably true. in this, if A then B. his conclusion is false. He says B, therefore there has must been an A. In this argument, he has already assumed that something is intelligently controlled, therefore it makes sense to him that it was going mach 10 to begin with, without even looking at the possibility that his eyes were mistaken.
threadysparrow 6 hours ago
@NLPCPNL And your credentials are? Are you an astrophysicist?
camelotradio 5 months ago
@NLPCPNL And your credentials are? Are you an astrophysicist?
camelotradio 5 months ago
@camelotradio can you ask that again? I didnt get it the first time
Seigu007 3 months ago
@camelotradio It's painful reading you attack his probable lack of credentials when there is an alarming and much more glaring complete and utter failure of logic in his or her post.
nosensetoitatall 1 month ago 2
@NLPCPNL How could it be aliens if its unidentified ?
mitchTwitch 5 months ago
@mitchTwitch
How much is 1+1? People observe objects that are under intelligent control and make use of technologies way beyond our human capabilities. It's not strange to think they're alien. Or do you think they are controlled by dolphins or some other intelligent underwater species?
NLPCPNL 5 months ago
@NLPCPNL no i think its unidentified. i dont know what it is so i say that is something i cant identify.
mitchTwitch 5 months ago
@NLPCPNL what facts? his point is that he doesn't presume to know the facts, and doesn't think you should either without sufficient evidence, because witness testimony doesn't actually make a difference.
raikoh05 3 months ago
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NLPCPNL 3 months ago
@raikoh05
He doesn't know the facts, because he didn't do any research. But hey, if the debunkers want to continue pretending that there is nothing going on be my guest. There are declassified documents that show that the US government takes UFO's very very seriously while there official stand is that there is nothing going on.
Just google "Twelve Government Documents That Take UFOs Seriously" and read the website and then tell me nothing is going on...
NLPCPNL 3 months ago
@raikoh05
Recenlty the Head of the UFO files in Britain Nick Pope, admitted that the government had an active policy of ridiculing UFO's. Why is that?
And go on youtube and watch the lecture The Black Vault and UFO Secrecy - John Greenewald, Jr. LIVE
This clearly shows the US government is blatantly lying about their interest in UFO's. They actually take it very seriously. But their policy of ridicule has worked very well, juding from Tyson's views and his arguments for it.
NLPCPNL 3 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Claims of UFO sitings definitely didn't start in this century, or even the previous century.
Recorded UFO sitings have been popping up from many different time frames of recorded history.
CFOneShot 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
And you sir are ignorant^^
SolsticeRyosake 2 months ago
@SolsticeRyosake
Oh ok, I'm ignorant now. Can please explain to me what Trumbull Ohio was? Phoenix Lights? Hessdalen? Zimbabwe 1994? Westall Australia 1966? I bet you don't know half of these cases, so why would YOU call ME ignorant?
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Simple, there is no specific proof, until it's been released it never happened^^
SolsticeRyosake 2 months ago
@SolsticeRyosake
So what you're trying to say is that your parents are not your parents until they've taken a DNA test?
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Well, you can't know that for sure until you've taken a DNA test, that's obvious, can't you see how you're undermining your own argument here ^^
SolsticeRyosake 2 months ago
@SolsticeRyosake
Why are you trying to evade my point? Without proof it never happened, that's what you're saying. So you're also saying that you refuse to call your dad your dad and your mum your mum until they've taken a DNA test right? You don't even see it yourself, but science is not everything. Science is a tool that helps us understand the world. You're treating science as it's a religion.
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Not evading you point at all, You obviously do not have all the facts, i could find things on wikipedia claiming what you did, and that's a "Accurate" source, We humans could easily without the publics knowledge have made advanced technology in any form, and your examples are shit, if anything were to accelerate from 0 - 10 mach, within seconds, would, according to physics mean, that you die, i will rest this case, drche420 has already blown to many holes in you're arguments
SolsticeRyosake 2 months ago
@SolsticeRyosake
And if you have all the facts, as you make it out to be, put them forth(as if people haven't tried already) and prove the public and Neil wrong and so on, You are most likely to be ignored, as someone asked what you're Credentials are etc, can't see a reply, And also, where did Religion come into the picture^^ i don't believe, i prefer to know^^
SolsticeRyosake 2 months ago
@SolsticeRyosake
Exactly, according to our physics you would die. And that's the extra-terrestrial hypothesis can be a valid one. Apparently we are dealing with technology not of this Earth, or many credible witnesses are lying and hallucinating. But since you know it all, what is your opinion on the COMETA report and why should I take you more seriously than the high-ranking intelligent people who drew up this report and concluded the extra terr. hypothesis is the best to explain some cases?
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Way to make an argument from ignorance. You should have been paying attention. Just because you can't conceive of humans producing technology capable of behaving like you described, doesn't mean humans haven't. Your fallacy is obviously ignorance.
drche420 2 months ago
@drche420
I see what you are saying, but then you need to explain why secret technologies are being tested above towns and cities causing a panic under civilians and police forces and you need to explain why the airforce is scrambled time and time again to chase the secret technologies owned by their own government. This has all been documented very well.
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Irrelevant. If you see something in the sky you can't explain, then you can't explain it. You either can't explain it or you can. It seems like you're stuck in an argument from ignorance: "I can't think of how/why this could happen, therefore it must be X, Y, Z, etc."
drche420 2 months ago
@drche420
It's irrelevant from the point of cold hard evidence. It's not irrelevant when looking at the matter deductively. I'm not saying there is hard scientific evidence that proves beyond any doubt that we are being visited, I'm saying there are serious clues that point the way of alien visitation.
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
I'm not interested in what you consider "serious clues", aka your intuition. I am only interested in what is demonstrable. Deductive reasoning fails us when our premises are false. Unless you can demonstrate your premise ( extraterrestrial technology ), you have no reason to believe either.
drche420 2 months ago
@drche420
What in the hell do I care about "believing"... believing is the same as saying that you don't know. I don't want to believe, I want to know. Nowehere have I said that I believe. And if you think that 400 witnesses from high positions within the military, intelligence services, airforce and so on are not credible and can't be taken seriously that I pity you. Keep on hiding behind science. At least I'm intelligent enough to know that science is a tool, not a religion.
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
You're confusing knowledge with absolute certainty. Heads up, absolute certainty is useless. I only "know" something beyond reasonable doubt. If there is significant doubt, I do not claim to "know" something.
drche420 2 months ago
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NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@drche420
You're playing stupid word games just like most "skeptics". We KNOW that at least 400 high-ranking people from within the military, airforce, intelligence services and so on say that it is likely that Earth is being visited or something of the sort. And these people share their stories with us, they don't just give their opinion. Either they are whistleblowers or they are all crazy. I think we should at least take them seriously and you apparently don't. Have fun hiding.
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Word games? If you think my sincere debunking of your idiotic comment to be a game, we are done here.
drche420 2 months ago
@drche420
So you think the generals and colonels in the Disclosure Project are all liars?
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
@NLPCPNL
Either they are lying, or they are mistaken. I do not presume to know which.
drche420 2 months ago
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@drche420
"Either they are lying, or they are mistaken. I do not presume to know which."
Did you just say that?? Apparently you presume to know that at least they can't be telling the truth!! You pretend to keep an open mind and that you're not judging people but you apparently are my friend. Busted!
NLPCPNL 2 months ago
Awesome, the only mystery here is that 3 dislikes. Wtf is wrong with you, people?
Tumoxa89 6 months ago
Neil is like a modern Carl Sagan with a wicked sense of humor (humour for our friends in the UK.
dondude69 7 months ago 18
@dondude69 Hes very entertaining :D
camelotradio 7 months ago 8
Great talk, funny stuff lol
ViperRob42 7 months ago
@ViperRob42 Yea I thought so too. Hes a beast.
camelotradio 7 months ago