Chechnya's attempt to maintain a fragile peace - 16 Nov 07

[kadirtasci1]

and russia will never fight fairly they always attack to a person with 10 people or 15 and after that they say russians are strong i've never seen to chechen or circassian got beat one vs one actually chechens are so much stronger than them

[kadirtasci1]

first of all russians killed samil basayev im not chechen im a circassian but we all respect to samil he was a great leader i'll never forget to russia about it and also isn't it too hard just give back this land to the chechens what do you want ? ? just give them back or do you want to kill more innocent babies ??

[annazt11]

I dont beleive Kadyrov is good for the country. As I remember, Russia started war on Chechnya again in 1999 (the so called antiterror action) , even after people elected another president, and then placed Kadyrovs father there instead.

He also lies when he says he hasnt tortured and murdered people.

Anyhow, I wish peace for the chechen people. May they not have to deal with either oppression from Russia or from any other warlord!

[satanmasta]

nuke eurasia, i hate eurasia

[Zplitter]

is that so fucking hard just give that land back to the chechen's?? then there will be no fighting ay? i'm i only one who doesn't understand russian ass holes?? and since when freedom fighter has been "rebel"?

[warjunkie44]

trust me man, the people fighting are not "freedom fighters" as many like to believe. They are hiding under that cloak to gather support for their struggle. Those people want to establish an Islamic state there like Saudi Arabia, thats another reason why the Saudis give so much money to the fighters. Chechens dont want Islam as their constitution; they just want to live in peace like the country of Bosnia does today.

[7jem331]

@warjunkie44 If thats the case why did Chechens vote for Maskalav in the first free election and Basayev came second?

[andreyRUS17]

if we give freedom to chechena-we will lost the control above all Caucasus.

and there are a lot of oil.

[7jem331]

@andreyRUS17 Well then I guess you will just have to deal with them as equals then instead of as a colonised people.

[maliroeva]

Pity it's too late,comments are of year's prescription,but anyway,I'd like to give u a piece of advice SULTAN1923....Никогда не спорь с идиотом!- он опустит тебя до своего уровня, а потом выйграет, т.к. имеет больше опыта.GINTOXICCC на русском специально для ВАС и о ВАС!!!I do hope u read it!!!Your ignorance is incomparable!!!

[dzhabrail92]

Kafirov busulb vav. 1ovdal,shaytan a vukh ustag1.

[zombieseezombiedo]

The USSR was supposed to be international, but Lenin stopped it. The Russian revolution was financed by New York Banks.

Far reaching autonomy is the staple of a republic; i love the word republic. The federal government has no business meddling in the affairs of local government unless its concerned with national security and such...

coca cola, wonderbra.

[zombieseezombiedo]

Nobody likes to talk about how Dudayev let out prisoners who terrorized, killed and expelled Russian civilians out of Chechnya... Both nations are much better off together, living in peace.

[Gintoxiccc]

The USSR was an attempt..has failed and Chechnya a result of the decay of the USSR. Now however, whether it peace and security. The Russian model of the far-reaching autonomy and non-intervention in internal affairs is a successful as the constant interference in cultural affairs of the people by the west. See. Iraq and Afganistan best example how difrient it is to Chechnya

[InfinityDose]

Not even a single question about the brutality of the Kadyrovites against their own people? I'm disappointed Al-Jazeera.

Search youtube for "Revival of Brutality in Chechnya", you will see what I'm talking about.

[Gintoxiccc]

Do you believe he had answer this question?

[scobyknife2]

ineresting vid

[ovaisreza]

Al jazeera is sounding more and more like cnn and fox!

[bmodest]

Kadyrov is clearly Putin's puppet. Russian war crimes in Chechnya are well-documented. Russian soldiers have admitted robbing and murdering civilians at whim. I like seeing the Chechens living in peace but it's a facade. Chechnya today is totalitarian and Kadyrov is a dictator who uses torture and murder to maintain his rule.

[farazilu1]

come on brothers!

its not the way for freedom... be united and be free.

[Sultan1923]

Peace in Chechnya is a misconception, as well as Russian "aid". It's the simply the tactic of feeding the Chechen ppl enough candy to weaken support for the resistance. But they won't succeed.

The Mujahideen will liberate Chechnya from Russian oppression.

[nickvanzetti]

Mujahideen is a CIA creation! only Socialism will liberate the Chechens!!! Long live STALIN!!!!

[Sultan1923]

Stalin was just as oppressive as Hitler. I'm not in support of dictators, be it of any ideology. And you don't know the meaning of the word Mujahideen, so don't argue this with me.

[nickvanzetti]

sure i do! Stalin loved the Chechens more than your holy warriors of god do. they care about one thing like Zionist. ignorant bubbleheads like you to use and consolidate power!!!

[MustafaPresents]

Stalin loved the Chechens so much he deported the entire population to Siberia.

[nickvanzetti]

yeh every single one! thats it! who asked you anyway! stay out of it!

[Sultan1923]

Stalin deported, purged, and tortured your people beyond belief. He was on par with Hitler in terms of brutality and oppression. Chechen Mujahideen do care about one thing, you're right. The Islamic liberation of Chechnya from oppressive Russian hands. Consolidating power has nothing to do with this. Russian history is marred by bloodthirsty imperialism during the Romanov, Soviet, and current times. Educate yourself, ignorant. :)

[Iamthethorn156]

How can you be in support of Stalin and bolchavism (not sure if i spelt it right), Communism supports the incompetent members of society and rewards stupidity. These only happen if there is a government free of corruption-and that rarely happens. The problems within every society is the support of the weak members of society that do not bother taking care of their lives.

[nickvanzetti]

Communism is the most humane system because it promotes solidarity and a classless society. obviously your statement makes no sense whatsoever with or without correct grammar. Some can't take care of their own lives because people like you only care about yourself and tend to hoard and thrive in a dog eat dog world!

[Iamthethorn156]

Well of course i am going to care more about myself. However, this aside, people should be able to take care of themselves, i do agree, elemts of socialism are needed because it is not always an individuals fault they are poor. Despite this, communism promotes a careless society for the poor, ill-educated members of society. If everyone in society was this way then there would be no progress in humanity. To conclude, communism supports those that do not strive to achieve all that they can

[Sultan1923]

Communism is the most "ideal" system. It looks good on paper, but its practicality is very hard. With humanity's greed, and other social dynamics, it's impossible to impose communism, a system that treats humanity as a kingdom of ants. I am pro-socialist on many cases such as healthcare, welfare, etc, but free marktet is essential to the production of a thriving economy.

[Gintoxiccc]

Russia is not free market. It`s protects its own economy the same China is making. According to your theory both states must be living shit.. but oposite is the true

[Sultan1923]

Russia is free market in case you haven't noticed the difference between command economy and laissez faire. China is the same way, with both governments solidifying and authoritarian power base which can only survive the people's anxiety with their oppression so long as the economy is flourishing. And in case you haven't noticed, both states have MASSIVE corruption and poverty rates. Why do you think many Russians are turning to the CPRF now?

[Gintoxiccc]

It is not possible for you to invest money in russia with out an russian partner.. secondly you have the same problem in china. Russia is spending billions of ruble to fix the oil and gas prices inside russia. it is not a market of global liberalism and not the communist system of past. What is CPRF? i m coucasian and citicen of Russia. My payroll 1998 was 190€ now i make around 800€ with the same job. A lot changed, maybe you westerners should travel more to us.

[Sultan1923]

How is investment with a Russian partner in Russia refuting the fact that Russia is currently capitalist? Or China for that matter? Nationalization of resources doesn't equal command economy. Many nations like Iran, Egypt, India, etc, have done so without becoming communist. You have done nothing to prove your claims. And CPRF stands for "Communist Party of the Russian Federation"

[Gintoxiccc]

90% of Votes to CPRF come from people older 60 years.. No body is electiong them. Nash Dom won the battle.. welcome in new time Sultan..

[Sultan1923]

90% is definitely an overestimation of the senior support for the CPRF. And once again, you didn't show evidence of any polls confirming that information. They are, as of now, the strongest opposition in case you haven't noticed and I wouldn't be surprised if they win the next presidential election.

[Gintoxiccc]

Hahahahahahahah... Hahahah. The Communist? hahah.. ok .. " And once again, you didnt show evidence of any poll confirming that information. By the way.. i did elect Nash Dom, they got 82% of votes in my district.

[Sultan1923]

First you laugh without refuting my claims, and then you state another lie. Do want to continue humiliating yourself? Or do you think now is enough?

[Gintoxiccc]

Search for Russian legislative election 2007. Maybe you find your answer there.. 11% your communist got.. compare this with 1994 election.. they lost more than 30% of votes since those days

[Sultan1923]

I'm well aware of the rigged parliamentary elections.

[wb678]

How can you call terrorists who killed over 300 children Mujahideen? They clearly know nothing of Islam. The Russians have helped Muslim nations before (they gave us arms to fight Israel). Now tell me how many times have Chechens helped Muslims except in giving us a bad name?

[Sultan1923]

How can you say 300 children when you have no proof? Clearly you know lil to nothing of the Russian gov's ability to fabricate and twist events. It was the FSB that masterminded that school hijacking, not the Mujahideen. The Russians of today are different than the Soviets. The Chechens ARE Muslims, never forget that. And don't tell me you are crazy enough to support atheist Russians over Muslims.

[wb678]

Wahhabis aren't Muslims. And I'm not supporting bad people just on the basis that they call themselves Muslims. And 99.99% of Chechens just want peace and development. They like Putin believe me. But the separatists are WHOLE different thing.

[Sultan1923]

They don't like Putin, they like life. They've lived under terrible conditions for the last decade or so and they want a change. But as long as the Russian Federation continues to exhaust them, the Mujahideen will still struggle, and they will win. And do not generalize them as Wahhabis.

[wb678]

I know they aren't. I'm saying that they're are Wahhabi terrorists in Chechnya trying to make things worse for everybody. I don't know about you but I'd rather see Chechnya develop than have them abused by the Russian army again.

[Sultan1923]

Chechnya won't develop under Russian oppression. It is only a matter of time before they are liberated.

[Gintoxiccc]

THe leader of the resistance told open in his last statement. He is not fighting for Chechnya but for Shariat all over north coucasian mountains. THis i call Wahabi ... you dont need to make reclama for them.. people know who is Wahabi and not

[Sultan1923]

First off, to make a claim like that, you need evidence, which you haven't presented. Secondly, The call for Shariah throughout the Caucasus isn't a monolithically wahhabi ideal, it is an expansionist ideal, which is devoid of any religious creed. Wahhabism does not deal with expansionism, but rather, a skewd perception of Islamic ruling.

Please verse yourself better in geopolitics.

[Gintoxiccc]

use clearinghouseinfovladdotcom and ask for the last statement of the "Emir" there ;-) Maskhadov did not fight because of islam but because of Itshkeria. Dudayev was believing in North coucasian confederation.. resistance today is very difrient and based on salafism made in soudi arabia

[Sultan1923]

No such site exists, I just checked. Btw, you still forgot to mention the name of the so called "Emir" who you accuse of saying these things. So again, you remain factless. Until you can substantiate your claims, they will be rendered uncredible. Now go take your ignorance elsewhere.

[Gintoxiccc]

Properly you are turk. You are famous for your ignorance. clearinghousedotinfovladdotnet

Doku Umarov Speech Oct.31/07 Speech."Our common enemies are all those who have attacked Muslims wherever they are. Not only Russia, but also the USA, the UK, Israel and all those waging war against Islam and Muslims are our enemies"

[Sultan1923]

Actually I'm not a Turk. But thanks for revealing your racism. Now, pertaining to Doku Umarov, your quote doesn't prove your accusation of salafism/wahhabism in the Chechen resistance at all. Umarov is a Sufi, and his speech that you quoted has nothing to do with Islamist expansion in the Caucasus. Once again, you fail to prove your points. Typical.

[Gintoxiccc]

haha you read wikipedia so much or? haha, Umarov is not making Zikr.. therefor he is not Naqshbandi or Kaderi.. therefor? yep.. he is Wahabi 100%. Dont tell me about my area.. care for your british shit not my location

[Sultan1923]

Actually, I didn't read it on wiki, I googled it, but since you mentioned, you got your little quote from wikipedia, where there's no reference source listed. Thank you for displaying your fabrication :). You are not from the Caucasus, you are a faker trying to pose your ignorance on an internet forum. And btw, I'm not British.

[Gintoxiccc]

Если ты...такой эксперт. Почему ты не пишешь русский язык? забыл??? ;-))))

[Gintoxiccc]

Do you realy want to say that FSB Muslims went into this school and took the passports and faces of Salafist Assholes from Chechnya and Ingushetia? Fuck you Islamist asshole.come to coucasian mountains! I invite you.. i will kidnap you send to beslan and give you to the alans who lost there childs there.. You will love our way to handle Wahabists ;-)

[Sultan1923]

Wow, now your making threats too eh? It's not my fault you don't know how to respond adequately to criticisms of your fabricated information. Learn to handle to yourself before handling others okay?

[Gintoxiccc]

Пиши со мной русский... ;-)

[Sultan1923]

Ahh that's nice. Now I don't have to read your inconsistent ignorance in English. ;)

[Gintoxiccc]

you are an outsider. You dont have the right to write about us. Care for your own problems.

[Sultan1923]

I am a Muslim. I have the right to stand up for my fellow Muslims in any part of the world, including Russia. You are an ignorant, you don't have the right to impose your ignorance on anybody

[Gintoxiccc]

Shit talker, Kadyrov is Muslim and he is his own Men. Wahabi like you should be eliminated

[Sultan1923]

He doesn't represent anyone but himself, and his masters in the Kremlin. Just because I criticize him doesn't make me a Wahhabi. I find it funny your inability to argue me has led to death threats.

[zombieseezombiedo]

You know how much Russians build in Afghanistan during the war? Ask an afghan who's better the Americans or the Russians. Russians are the greatest friends of the Muslim world. Which other country hosted the Palestinian Government? Who's helping Syria & Iran?

The war in Chechnya was financed from abroad, people from countries other than Chechnya and Russia wanted Chechen and Russians to kill each other.

There is no freedom without Russia, for anyone!

[zombieseezombiedo]

strongly agree

[InfinityDose]

Spetsnaz stormed the building without any effort to negotiate. Just like how the FSB fumbled the theatre situation by killing many of the hostages with gas!

And what of the 200,000 Chechens, mostly civillians, who were buried under rubble and murdered by Russian jets and incendiary weapons during the chechen wars, just for wanting autonomy like all the former states.

[nickvanzetti]

Kadyrov is no hero. to hell with him and Putin. the only leader who ever cared for the oppressed minorities was Josef STALIN!! i bet they miss him now.

[acerba]

Stalin? What about Holodomor?

[nickvanzetti]

what about it!??? That was Ukraine and if you had any intelligence you would know that was Khrushev!!! he was commissar in Ukraine. Stalin is the hero of all the oppressed! the Chechens love him!!! Holodomor ha!!!

[bbproductionsLA]

it is time to find a substitute for oil, long overdue. I just know if iphones exist we could run cars without petro

[msgg81]

Ramzan Kadyrov is a local leader let him lead his people.