Alaska MD-80 Departure (BUR to ONT)

[nathanfishing3000]

ahh the 1900's the time of steep takeoff's

[headz51230]

I was just redirected from another Alaska MD80 takeoff which was close to tailstrike. Wierd.

[VIR092]

Certainly a sharp pitch rate but the AOA I don't think was that excessive, but certainly, the it did seem to use very little runway.

[jonahair747]

Fairy Flights, I love em!

[SenorSpode]

Nice 195!!!

[minicoopermadman]

It's amazing how close the back of the aircraft comes to hitting the ground just before take off.

[FLT111]

What year was this taken? Thanks for the upload.

[GutpileCharlie]

I was on a DC9 aka MD80 departing Oakland one time. Only flight crew and two or three passangers.

Pilot got it up and off the ground just like in this video.

Upon arrival at our destination I stopped by the cockpit on the way out and made a comment to the pilot. He said the plane was light, conditions were right....and we was just having fun!

[veritasvg]

@GutpileCharlie

Aviation is full of folks just like that guy.

[dasspr]

I remember this, i was the co-pilot in this flight. It was just us, the flight crew. Empty flight back to ONT. how did you guys like that Vx?

[smack300]

Its called noise abatement...

[firealarmtech]

WHOA! literally 3 inches from a tailstrike!

[RickMakesGoodVideos]

Honestly I have flown alsaka many times but I have to say, They have the biggest slobs I have seen.

[compdude100]

Burbank to Ontario? I bet there were only 5 people on board.

[enrichtreading]

我還以為會直接來個側翻

[ellonga18]

Totally normal..

[TheCannonofMohammed]

the pilots should be fired immediately! Where is the FAA? Where is OSHA? Where are the authorities???? Where is Obama?

[txtallywhacker]

@TheCannonofMohammed Obama is off makin promises he cant keep and eat watermelon with his bruthas while they beg people for change

[orbitair]

@TheCannonofMohammed Shut up.

[jamie514]

whats obvious and is not a trick of perspective, is the tight clearance with the runway during rotation. that plane nearly had a tail strike. Maybe the angle was correct for climb, but they clearly over rotated during the roll.

[hammerogod]

If the tail doesn't hit the ground it's a good takeoff.

Sure, the AoA was high but have you ever flown out of Lindbergh in San Diego?

I can remember back a LONG way and I remember when the Noise Abatement rules and the Boeing 727 met for the first time.

Takeoffs were abrupt and always included high AoA.

727 Cowboys were common.

It took some getting used to.

AND:

Sometimes the tower will ask a pilot to expedite a takeoff so landing traffic doesn't have to go around.

[MrSunrise1961]

Light load, low fuel. Up we go!

[flyingFL310]

what's the other aircraft on ramp at 0:06?

[BenGaut]

@flyingFL310 The one on the bottom of the screen is an IAI 1125 Astra. Gulfstream now owns the type certificate on the Astra, so now they call it a G100.

[sluggs10289]

Judging by the short take-off distance, high angle of attack, and the minimal usage of flaps, I'd say the aircraft was most likely empty or very light.

[RevolverRicoche]

@sluggs10289 Yes because most people would rather drive. The flight's from Burbank, California, to Ontario, California. Basically your taking a flight from one side of Los Angeles, to the other. Truly a useless flight.

[tubaby522]

Ferry?

[Boentgru]

Any higher angle of attack would require a tail wheel or skid.

[hotdrumchick]

Everybody got a free instant facelift that day!

[BNSFFREAK747]

If I was on that flight I would put my hands in the air and yell "WOOHOO!!!!!"

[voderick]

Normal takeoff in my book....

Look at Saltsburg Airport videos

Much steper T/O there....

[w29bum]

thats normal. i work at BWI see it al the time with the md-88's

[Andrewawesome123]

I used to fly an MD-88... and while I was the captain, I would let the co-pilot do the majority of T/O and landings. Sometimes he would pull up to suddenly and scare me a bit, but I don't think we ever got that close to a tailstrike.

[squallpi]

@Andrewawesome123 Your FSX Co-Pilot? omg how bad! i hope the realism settings were low.

[DVA7498]

@squallpi lmao

[skysurfer0805]

As an airline pilot i would mean that this tiny amount of tailclearence was NOT intentional !!!

[RacerXGTO]

flaps up..

throttle up..

MIL power on..

No MIL? ok max throttle!

130..

180...

200...

hard elevator!

[geoff421]

I have to agree with Bomar and disagree with B1900. This was a near tailstrike.

[mansanraps]

Guys! Tailstrikes DO happen from time to time. This was not a tailstrike, but still, a steeper then normal angle. Nothing more, nothing less ^^

[B1900pilot]

Rotation rate was what I would consider normal at about 3 degrees per second, which is the pitch target you use to pitch up into the command bars on the flight director...Airplane was likely very light and they'd be overspeeding the flaps below the flap retraction altitude used in a normal take-off profile. This might be as much as 20 degrees nose-up...Again...normal looking take-off...

[NWA941]

I saw a takeoff VERY similar to this, that was a AS MD-83 but it ended up in a tail-scrape

[B1900pilot]

Nothing unusual there folks...

[RyanBomar]

@B1900pilot, I hate to disagree with you but the angle of attack is definitely higher than you see during a standard departure. It's also apparent to me that the aggressiveness of the pull back is higher than standard. I never claimed that it was scary or dangerous or not responsible of the flight crew, but certainly not what appears to be a "normal departure". Pause it at around 0:06, I truly wish I was on this flight!

[StCatharinesRailFan8]

@RyanBomar Nothing unusual here. May just look that way. The angle at which the video was shot would make it seem a lot steeper than normal, but if you look at 0:08, you will see that its basically a standard climbout. Every pilot is a bit different when it comes to the handling so the control movements may be more or less agressive than other pilots. Plus they are light as well. The aircraft will accelerate alot quicker so raising the nose will arrest any rapid speed increase .

[HugoAndres]

@RyanBomar The rotation was kind of fast but the MD80 Flight tecnique approved by Mc Donnell Douglas and now by Boeing. Says that initial pitch in 20degrees Nose Up also the Flight Director shows 20° in the ADI.

This is a normal Take Off

[mrcaptaincj]

@RyanBomar Its because at Burbank they need to climb fast.

[MrAviator12]

@RyanBomar Thats a standard departure - On all of the smaller jets the pilots pull up at a steeper angle because they know they can. Flew on a Fokker 100 recently (twice within a few days) and I was shocked to see how far the pilot pulled up ;)

[tubadevil]

@RyanBomar Unless your eyeballs have a built in AOA indicator, I don't know how you could possible tell what their AOA is. You're confusing rate of rotation and pitch attitude as AOA.

[F15andrew]

@RyanBomar oooo yeah thats like 2ft from the deck lol must be a short runway with terrain at the end for that steep but thats what they make skid plates for lol

[SenorSpode]

@RyanBomar Did you see the other video of another Alaska MD-80 tailstriking at night at the same airport? It should be in the column to your right, first vid...

[veritasvg]

@RyanBomar

You are correct. I used to ride MD-80s out of BUR all the time and there are noise abatement procedures in place there.

[tyiscool777]

@B1900pilot why dont you ride in the plane and see how "usual" that was

[bricub72]

@B1900pilot I see this all the time @DFW. American Airlines loves those MD-80s

[madnavigator]

@NIGHTWHMAN I was once on an Alaska MD-80 that came in so low and hard into Seattle, I swear the pilot must have been a Navy flyboy.

[panamcunard]

BUR-ONT. How lazy you have to be to fly that short of distance.

[TeamLayCoolx]

@panamcunard Lazy?? California and Ontario, Canada aren't close at all!

[Satoshi9801]

@TeamLayCoolx He means Ontario, a town in Orange County. Ontario, Canada is a Province (Canadian for state), not a city.

[JamesDeGurse]

@Satoshi9801 Everywhere except the United States calls what you call a state, a province.

[Satoshi9801]

@JamesDeGurse Whatever. I'm not much of a foreigner.

[Satoshi9801]

@JamesDeGurse U don't think I knew that?! I just call em states-close enough.

[JamesDeGurse]

@Satoshi9801 Not close at all.

[fuzzypony]

@TeamLayCoolx Just so's you know, most all Canadian airports codes begin with "Y" (ie: Toronto/Person International is YYZ, Toronto City Centre Airport is YTZ.

[Pandacapricorn]

@panamcunard perhap making connection there for Mexico flights or other cities like SEA, Spokane and PDX

[ERAUPRCWA]

Alaska Airlines does have a lot of prior military pilots...

[WC3POchannel10A]

You have to do that at Burbank for FAA noise abatement rules. Meaning a fun rocket take-off so the china does not rattle in neighboring houses every few minutes.

[KYLEAKAFLYBOIK]

WOW he came so close to a tail strike.