When the Spanking Stopped, All Hell Broke Loose - P.1

[MrPaganRights]

I agree completly, the bible commands us to discipline our children, but however, peopel fail to do this based on the whores (Christian Denomonations) teachings of "love"

[timestandingstill]

I forgave my stepmother, and GOD'S precepts helped me to be made free from this imprisonment I was a victum of.

My stepmother was not a Christian.

But we led her to Christ before she died.

She died of cancer, I could have gotten vengence if I wanted to, but God set me free from blame, anger, and I remain at peace. Don't get me wrong, if someone were to mistreat a child in front of me, they would know about it. But the things U can't help or control you have to learn there are better ways.

[timestandingstill]

Matthew 5:43-48 (King James Version) 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

[timestandingstill]

I was severly abused as a child growing up, believe me I know the difference in a small spanking and a beating.

I hardly ever spanked my children, however I did confront issues with them, If you love your child you will correct them,not beat them to death, nor ignor their needs in correction.

[todonne70]

First of all, this moran did not build any case what so ever. He basicly stated his opinion and mabey presented a theory. How ever he showed no real evidnence. But lets take his theory for min. When pple stoped spaking, children became violent. Go and interview teenagers who are in jail for violent crimes and find out how many of them were beaten or spanked as a small children. I would guess that the results would blow his theory. btw the most violent pple I knew growing up came fom chrstn homes

[worldpics76]

Look up Marjorie Gunnoe, research which proves that spanking stops violence and helps children . For a link to 2 studies see the comments on my channel.

[fourwayscottage]

AAAA. 082011Z AUG 2009 Thank you for posting the video...A good wack did not hurt my two younger brothers plus myself...In love, it is all in The Word of God the Holy Bible.......AR.

[ifuliki]

I was never beaten. I am honest, educated (two university degrees) and hard working and intelligent . I never beat my two kids who are honest hardworking & well educated (university graduates) and intelligent . The US prisons are chock full of men who were brutalised by their families, often not always black, religious families.Go figure, if you're smart enough. Dumb people are often violent people. Some of them ENJOY inflicting pain. Bible teaching is out of date, by thousands of years. Duh!

[timestandingstill]

Bring back the 10 commandments,

People are going back to a barbaric life style they will regret.

[Obversity]

@timestandingstill

Agreed! Oh, and the rest of the old testament as well. Stoning children is so much more effective than spanking!

[timestandingstill]

Yea, I Agree with you.

In the old testiment it was brutal, people were under the law, this was before Grace and Truth of Jesus was introduced.

It is so hard to understand that we were the creation and not the creator. We learn as we live, and people were very cruel baut then. Gods precepts tells to to treat others as you would like to be treated, however there is always an exception to every rule, I would not like to be treated the way some likes to be treated. How about Love covers sin?

[Obversity]

@timestandingstill

"One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him."

Guess who devised this brilliant rule of ethics. No cheating now; that would be sinful!

[timestandingstill]

@ Obversity, Can you understand the precepts of God?

I do not condone beating, it is wrong!!!!

If you were a victim of this, then U must feel a great anger, I did, and lived with it for several years even into my adult hood.

I have been set free from that through Gods Love and his precepts.

I hope you can understand.

Please look at my site on some of the favorites I have saved.

[Obversity]

@timestandingstill

You completely ignored my question.

My point is that Socrates said it earlier than Jesus did. Around the time the Jews were living by the horrific precepts of the old testament, Socrates was enlightened without the concept of God or Jesus.

Morals are not reliant upon God. You don't need to call upon the bible to tell yourself that Child Abuse is wrong.

[timestandingstill]

This is why most Hate the bible so much.

They don't want to hear about their wrong doings. It is written that people turn from sound doctrine to fulfil the lusts of the flesh.

As for me and my house hold we shall serve God.

[Obversity]

@timestandingstill

Ugh. It's not difficult to hate the bible, for all its audacious contradictions and pathetic ironies.

Mostly, I hate what it does to otherwise normal people.

[timestandingstill]

You have to rightly divide the word of truth, Religion will tip the scale towards insanity. God did not give you the Spirit of Fear but of Love and of a sound mind.

[Obversity]

@timestandingstill

So what gave me my apparent fear?

[timestandingstill]

@Obversity, Fear is only the beginning of wisdom, Not the end results. It is that part of you that warns you that you are going in the wrong direction, Kinda like being Lost, Have you ever been lost in the woods, and it is getting dark and it is Very cold outside? There is a fear when you realize you are lost, But Jesus is the Way back from out of the wilderness.

[timestandingstill]

@Obversity , Fear is the beginning of wisdom, because something is unknown to you.

Most people fear the unknown, or something they are unfamiliar with, once they find out there is nothing to be afraid of, then the fear leaves. If you are in a life threatening situation then you should get away from it. There is no Fear in Love and perfect Love cast out all fear.

[timestandingstill]

But you can't possibly know how to love your child without Gods precepts. Rather U give him credit or not. God is Love.

[Obversity]

@timestandingstill

Then by definition neither Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, nor Agnostic can love. Do you want to be the one to tell these groups that they don't love their children?

[timestandingstill]

Pay attention! You will know the truth and the Truth will make you free.

You are a waste of my time, study all of these religions and make your own choice on how you want your child to grow up. Good Luck. You will know a tree by the fruit it bears, You Probably won't read this but READ GALATIANS chapter 5.

bye.

[Obversity]

@timestandingstill

You also don't need to call upon the bible to tell me that forgiveness is good. It is possible to forgive without notions of God.

[timestandingstill]

iF yOU CAN'T SPANK IN LOVE, DON'T SPANK.

[TwelveTribesMedia]

Totally agreed!

[TheCandie87]

Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 talks of a son who is a drunkard and glutton, not a small child.

[TheCandie87]

God uses the rod to enforce discipline, so that those who act foolishly, whether child or man, will obey Him. And it says that wisdom will protect them from the rod. 1 Corinthians 4:21 talks of Paul asking if he should have to practice his authority and rebuke the Corinthian church, or if he could come in a spirit of meekness.

[TheCandie87]

Well, what about Proverbs? It says, "The one who will not use the rod hates his son, but the one who loves him disciplines him diligently." Proverbs 13:24. Or in Psalms 89:32, "...then I will call their rebellion to account with the rod, their sin with blows." [continued...]

[guidav123]

this guy is wrong on the Bible. The old testiment beatings were in fact beatings so server that when the beatings didnt work the child was stoned to death deut.21:18 thrue 21 .Adults were also beatin for there wrong doings. The new testimant delivers man-kind from all corporal punishment

[guidav123]

1 corinthians 4:21 shall i come to you with a rod or insted in love and a spirit of meekness. Apostle paul seen coming at someone with a rod as being the opposite of love.

[heartstar12]

Over a 15 year period of visiting and living with them,  I've seen an emerging understanding of their children and an admittance of past failures. I left the Tribes in 1997, because I was afraid my son would be punished too severely. Looking back, I think this was an unreasonable fear. He was very much loved and opening up to others at the daily gatherings. Our leaving the Communities destroyed our family unit. They have something there that I haven't experienced elsewhere.

eric christopherson

[heartstar12]

I'm not sure what to think of physical punishment. I think if it's done in love, not anger, it's a big improvement over parent's who can't control their spoiled brats who cry and scream every time they don't get their way. I think there's a danger in people punishing other's children. It's easy for abuse to occur. When I lived in the Tribes later on, it was emphasized that correction be done in love. And that children be encouraged 100x more than they are disciplined. eric christopherson

[IWishIWasFinnish]

all hell just broke loose.

[craftsmank]

some children have characters which do not fit in, society needs people like this.

Can permanent damage and harm occur to a childs character, outlook on life and self esteem if corporal punishment is used recklessly ?

Are there adults who get off from inflicting pain on children?

Answer those questions, then say corporal punishment is ok for children. Spock in one of his last books said that if the child gets up your nose enough then you should consider some form of physical response -

[biobuild]

[note: to read my entire comment in its correct order start at the lower 3rd "biobuild" comment and end with this last entry]...

I am the proud father of a beautiful and loving 2 year old boy who has certainly been guided by discipline and positive reinforcement, though never spanked.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

[biobuild]

[continuation of above comment]...

And it does appear this "confused state" has been around since the beginning of recorded time as seen via the historical and ongoing examples of personal, family and societal conflict. Individual anxieties to familial strife to societal wars being the result.

To think that spanking will restore any sense of social order... to take these biblical inferences as anything but another poor historical translation of the bible is simply dumb.

[comment continued]

[biobuild]

This gentleman's inane ideas on spanking a child are both ill thought and without a connection to heart. And as such reflect poorly on the Twelve Tribes -- a community as i understand whose earnest goal is to help create a new social order based around Love.

Modern day society is certainly in shall we say a "confused state". And it does appear this "confused state" has been around since the beginning of recorded time [see continuation of comment on Part 2 of "When the Spanking Stopped..."]