DerekRoddy.com contest example 12.5 BPM click

[therealsampsonG]

that time keeping is off da hook!

[TommtheDrummer]

you know your on it when you cant hear the click ;D

[MemoryResidesInDeath]

other than Mike Mangini, he was the only one who didn't mess up O: i think right? the reason he didn't make Dream theater was because he does blasts beats. and from the songs I've heard dream theater IS NOT blast beats xD

All who audition were GREAT drummers, just different styles :D

[MikeAsHimself]

@MemoryResidesInDeath Ending of Nightmare to Remember has traditional blast beats in it...

[nostalgiacreep]

@MemoryResidesInDeath the band seemed to have issues with how quickly he picked up tthe odd timing stuff. for sure derek can do this stuff but they wanted him to be able to grab it instantly, because thats the way they like to work. say what you like about portnoys drumming but look at what it took to replace him! impressive. -_-

[NocturnalReality]

If you can't play it slow, you can't play it fast...

[WillHerndon]

"if it's worth doing, it's worth doing slowly" - some dude

[DestroyerV3]

i can only dream..to be able to play this in my dreams xD ahahahaha

[herokight]

Damn. I'm gonna start practicing as slow as possible and build my way up. On everything. I only play guitar, bass, drums, little piano, and tuba.

[occasusdrummer]

this is freakin isane

[guitalfredo]

fuck!!! amazing!! playing slow to get a better timing rulez!! yeah man!!!

[PdPdrums25]

THOSE 32ND NOTES ON THE HAT WERE BLAZING FAST.

[AndreaTaroppio]

@PdPdrums25 Those are sixties,buddy.

[PdPdrums25]

@AndreaTaroppio

Nahhhh dude, he played 8 in each beat of the click.

8 times 4 is 32. There are 32 notes in a bar of straight 32nd notes.

The moral of the story: They are 32nd notes.

[TheSimontheblastbeat]

This is a thousand times harder to do than playing fast

[mrabdrum]

@TheSimontheblastbeat indeed..

[SATANDIBA]

@TheSimontheblastbeat i wouldn't say a 1000 times harder... :L

[riwilo]

This is way harder than it looks!

[thousanddragons]

I wish i could play that precisely at any pace let alone that pace or slower. its horrible when you have no guidance for that speed.

[fastestrhythem]

even though hes playing so slow i still cant realy make out the beat hahaha

[pstuddn]

the way to get fast is to start out really slow. roddy rips everytime

[ElWischi]

@pstuddn He isn't doing this exercise to improve his speed but to work on his timing.

[leinhar15]

WTHell!! XD this is fucking amazin :D

[CliffB4]

ALL ABOUT SUBDIVIDING PEOPLE!!!!

[KaptnJolly]

fucking true fill at 2:00

[unblackcellofreak777]

I'm not a drummer but I sure as hell know how hard it is to line things up that precisely.

[FORTY848]

@unblackcellofreak777 damn right it's hard, so much harder than playing faster

[HeRcULesBlasTer]

good damn so my teacher told me to play to 37 bmp...wtf was hard as a crap after eating wheat

[InfernalPenguin]

~5 seconds to a click. ouch.

[DrummerBlast3]

Holy shizzle.. keeping in time after a fill aswell? Thats hard

[DarianHarman]

It's hard to do develop on any instrument. I used to practice Bach at 10bpm. Try it.

[jwatanabe90]

As a drummer, I find that an exercise like this is literally one of the hardest things to do. I can play to a click just fine but not at this slow of a tempo. I'd have to be singing 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a just to keep myself on time lol. Haha I'd like to see someone who says "this is not hard at all" try this and post it as a video response.

[zackattack94]

well fuck my metronome only goes to 20 bpms

[TheMetallicaGods]

9 brave souls were dared to click the dislike button....they were never seen again...

[joelebatteurist]

labels : bert and ernie ?? lolz !

[PxAxZxDrums]

the point is: the actual clicks are VERY far inbetween which leaves it completely up to Derek to subdivide every note he plays perfectly, from the simple quarter notes all the way up to complicated 16th note liniar rhythms. this is masterful.

[Blackmark456]

I love this video, it sounds so empty and creepy could be used with a creepy ambient track for a horror film.

Brilliant work, Mr Roddy!!

[DonMoza]

Lol I guess the whole point of the discussion was, to make you demonstrate 12.5 bpm perfection!

:P You fell for it!

[AndysMagic1959]

WOW!. Amazing timekeeping! Good feel as well! I was a pro for 20 years, and the slowest i ever practiced was click at 40 bpm!

[thecocreator88]

This is harder than faster speeds.. awesome

[marphi2]

OMG! 128th notes! lol :P

[hebronsawyers]

@marphi2 lol

[2000subabu]

Nice job. Very creative idea. Leaves a lot of space for practicing more complicated maneuvers too. Nice feel.

[omardragon1]

it's hard to keep the beats slow idc what others think but it's hard

[JadeSimonetto]

looks like your having a good time BAZINGGGGGGGGGG

[lalalax4321]

this is kinda relaxing

[MrMcmikemike]

this kind of practise makes you such a beast on drums but it's so damn annoying because if you fuck up it's takes so long to get back in

[SYLperc]

this is the best exercise for building tempo-keeping skills

[radiosurgery]

This is so impressive to me. It's so hard to play at very slow tempo so cleanly like this. If you don't think so set up a metronome and try it yourself.

[knotdrummer88]

slowest 32nd notes ive ever heard...amazing

[botp666]

i have a hard time playing at 80 :) will.-BOTP

[Tips4TheDead]

true true.. this is actually hard.. hahaha... shoot.. Awsome btw

[Drumstix81]

awesome! love the break at 2:08. Incredible timing. They say if you can play accuratley slow like this, it will build up your accuracy at speed. Fantastic grooves and articulations!

[allmetaliswelcome]

are the fills like 128th notes?

[TheDrummingMexican96]

@allmetaliswelcome i seriously hope u are joking, if not u are a fucking retard, dont try to act like u know shit about music, cuz u dont faggot

[allmetaliswelcome]

@TheDrummingMexican96 i was just guessing, because to me, the fills sound like way faster then 12,5BPM, so i am just wondering what kind of notes he plays. I don't have ANY experience with slow tempo's like that, so i am just guessing what notes they are! you dont have to freak out about that!

[winner0loser]

This obviously will sound boring to many but this is incredibly hard and amazing.

[cleanupbigfoot]

i hav a question relating to this video

if you practice single stroke rolls at about 50 BPM everyday for about a half hour for a month could you greatly improve your speed?

[chauge423]

@cleanupbigfoot definitely I use the same principal with double bass except I will play at 110 to 120 BPM and so far it has helped me alot but the main thing is you should play for as long as you can without stopping that will help you more than anything.

[Birmencat]

@cleanupbigfoot

yes you could :]

[MarkOfPower]

keeping a pace like this is certainly more tough due to the need for patience and the willpower to hold yourself back from going all out, this is a fantastic exercise no matter what instrument you play.

[Genecidedrummer]

i learned this at a camp i went to and also a workshop i attended a while back when i was starting to learn more advanced drumming techniques. Drumming to very slow tempos, especially ones as low as freaking 12.5 is very difficult. So nobody should be skeptical of this, its fucking hard. nice job roddy

[sociallooter]

its hard ...real hard....I mean my cock.

[lekstca]

Before you all jump down my throat - I'm definitely not saying playing at 220bpm is easy, far from it. But playing slow, solid and even strokes is LOT harder than you'd think. It takes a little known thing (that most people overlook) called CONTROL. When you're playing at high speed, its easy to hide mistakes. But when you're playing at 12.5bpm, any mistakes you make stick out like a sore thumb for everyone to see. Before mindlessly slagging off groove players, try it out for yourself.

[Sp17f1r3]

Derek Roddy YOU ARE A GOD ! I am a drummer and i actually know how ridiculously hard this is... You are my true idol and inspiration !

[Servantofthesin]

impressive

[tread368]

Ha, horray for being on a drumline! Subdivision is our forte. :) This is indeed quite the pain in the ass to keep consitant, but if you know how to count within your music, its not as hard to keep a constant 8th note, 16th, 32nd, 64th, and so on and so forth. Word!

[luvV8s]

This is basically how my Grand father taught me to play. Its hard if you have to keep still and not use say your foot to keep time for you. I make up a limerick or have a nursery rhyme or the like going on in my head to keep my time when playing like this. Or I should say when I was learning like this. I might go test myself out right now..

[dxhjkg]

id fucking drive myself nuts playing at that... any drummer would lose time after so long

[Nifit]

I don't play drums, I was just wondering if a drummer could explain to me why this is hard? I believe that it's hard but I see it's rather slow. I just want to understand. I'm not saying it's easy by any means because I can't even play drums. I'm simply just wanting to understand why it's hard, could a drummer please explain? Thank you, looking forward to your response. : )

[TUBEORATER]

The more time between clicks that you are playing to requires more internal clock accuracy.

He is "filling in the holes" playing to a click at only 12 1/2 beats per minute. 120 BPM would be considered an easy groove zone so it would be at least ten times harder to cut the beat up and stay in time at that speed.

Derek has the best double bass footwork around if you're into that.

[ReeceRAWR]

@TUBEORATER

"Derek has the best double bass footwork around if you're into that."

that could be argued :p

[MrScorned]

not really anything to argue about.

show me another man, who plays death metal without using triggers. sounds hard, huh?

[ReeceRAWR]

I don't understand where you're coming from. But i play death metal and i don't use triggers ;D

[MrScorned]

ok.

so record yourself playing, for example, 220BPM.

with no triggers, I'm really curious, If we'd be able to hear a single stroke from you.

[ReeceRAWR]

get me a camera and i will ;D

[genauder]

@ReeceRAWR Hey guys, I have some exciting news for you: He DOES use triggers on the bassdrums when he plays death metal stuff.

[imapisces23]

@genauder along with 99.9% of all death metal drummers. Triggers are nothing to be ashamed of. I wish i had triggers

[krkenny2590]

@ReeceRAWR I feel sure playing at 220 BPM with no triggers sounds like straight garbage. Triggers arent there to make you faster or get rid of errors in double bass. They are they to make the sound the stroke more crisp so that you can hear each individual stroke. Otherwise you'd get a disgusting monotonous rumble. If you believe that your un-triggered kicks at 220 BPM is music....id say switch instruments.

[Necronaut]

@MrScorned no not at all, Leche! emmure's drummer, and I'm sure there a many more, those are just off the top of my head son.

[Necronaut]

@MrScorned shit i almost forgot me! look at my videos, be aware they are almost 4 years old, but i have never used triggers and you can hear my double base fine.

[Coreyf24]

Trying snapping your fingers every second with a metronome, it really isn't that difficult. Now get a metronome that only clicks once every 5 seconds, but you still have to snap your fingers every second. You'll quickly realize that even though it looks easy, it takes an immense amount of control and skill to be dead on every time that 5 second click comes around.

Basically without any frame of reference in those 5 seconds, Roddy is keeping on time just based on his own timing and skill.

[metallicsob]

you have to feel a time that is so small that any error in your timing will show tremendously, so you have to have incredibly good timing skills and a feel for the pulse pocket

[W1ndrider]

@Nifit

The hardest part is to keep the timing right.. This tempo is so f**king slow that many people would accelerate his/her playing.. Needs a lot of patience and hard work to be able to maintain your touch on playing at low tempo like this.. Usually faster tempos are easier because beats are tighter which means there's no such big chance to lost the time. So which I'm trying to say is that the beats "distances" are so long that it's really hard to maintain the timing.. I hope this helped :D

[LittleLars14]

There is a expression "Faster is slower" the more control you have at slow speeds the most likely you are to have endurance at high tempos. Youd be surprised, playing this slow is harder then playing fast. You get off beat so easy.

[NBenvy1]

@Nifit Well keeping time is easy at a normal pace like 75BPM but after a while something this slow you would eventualy get destracted and lose time

[Sinister3345]

If anyone,ANYONE thinks this is easy,try it out...playing at 30 bpm is brutally hard...this is next to impossible,yet we see an example...Derek is truly a brilliant drummer,at the top.

[DrummersRock23]

Very well done, this is so hard to do.  Just as hard as fast drumming.

[ghtght100]

this guy is good with his control. nice job!

[UBERtrustless]

That's thrash tempo to a funeral doom fanatic! =P

[DagonMetalMusic]

LOL

[notseymour]

playing to a click that slow, with that much of a gap between clicks, is HAAARRRD

[beatsiz]

Everybody who says "WTF is this shit?" or "This is useless" or "This guy sucks" knows NOTHING about drumming and should shut up.

[TheMetalheadfreak]

@beatsiz i agree

[xxxkingkong]

@beatsiz whats even funnier is that the ppl who say that prolly couldnt play this lol

[YouthDrummer]

This is more or less at 100bpm count it.

[dave90mckeague]

well 100/8 is 12.5 so yeah it is! just 2 bars of it. so once you've got the first few measures solid the rest should be easy

[YouthDrummer]

yup :)

[NebraskaBoy12]

triggers?

[diluted8]

not here!

[ipiranga13]

really cool

[PharaohJed]

Wow, that is so skilled!! i've got to get a metronome now so i can play at very slow speeds.

[codyoliver09]

i love this shit.

[TheJonathanPace]

I've gotta try this it looks like it'd help a lot with your timing

[BootsyBrootal]

you never fail to amaze me. i use axis pedals myself =]

[Wavyink]

this is so fuckin hard....you are one of the greatest drummers ever. No Shit.

[DeathSion]

are those snake racks in the background? lol

[MikePostDrums]

Yup. :)

[Sinister3345]

this id one of the HARDEST things to play.

[Linpath]

listen to all "wannebe" drummers out there ... you think this is easy 'cause its so slow? ... try to beat this ... you will get speed problems after time .. but he doesn't ! very awesome contest idea!

[Blacklorigine]

It's because the click is connect on the camera too moron.

[TheStockzzz]

haha ide like you to see you do better. douchebag.

[TheStockzzz]

he is. lol.

[COBHC279]

Of course he can dickhead!

[chris14ofwolves]

@blight4hire its called hitting the drums:)

[ATHODrew]

Damn. Whoever thought of this for a contest is very creative.

[spacitydrummer4JC]

..is this with or without subdivision in the headset?

[roki92]

without

[MegaMalevolent]

Derek Roddy, Pete Sandoval and Tobias Gustafsson is my favourite drummers.

[rrobb911]

I would like to see you try this

[EskilNaige]

I dare you to recreate it.

[Tyberious123]

fool

[MegaMalevolent]

This is harder to play than you think.

[luciferincestus]

But this is just an example for a contest not a show off.

[mulle1300]

I tried it today, it is a royal pain in the ass :D

[thedrummingbastard]

a very different take from what I'm used to. =D

[mrquitehandsome]

Whoa... he;s playing 16th notes with one hand O.o and then adds 32nds around 1:10... that's incredible :P

[orangeman757]

cool

[GrumpyGrebo]

Guess again, watch the timing along the bottom...

One click every 5 seconds or so, thats 12.5 beats per minute not 25.

[bklurchio]

My bad, was measuring when he was filling the offbeat with snare

[bklurchio]

The click's going at 25bpm

[dogeatdog2345]

all styles of music have certain diffrences but no two classifications are better than one another. and this video is about keeping your timing to an extremely slow metrinome tempo, which is harder than it looks...

[alienconspiracy]

MLAO obviously you know nothing about drumming, wow i hate people like you. you probably dont like death metal and you like you country and say metal isnt music, first off, metal musicians actually know how to play their insturments and they do an amazing job at it, unlike you dumb country fuckers who like you soft bullshit drumming? we can play your boring ass drums in our sleep, owned, GTFO!

[AshDrums7]

I like a wide range of genres, and death metal is one of them. I also like jazz, rock, new age, and world music. Drumming isn't about playing hard. I disagree with you and "MLAOTNMCC" as well.

[bucketdead]

ok if you think derek roddy is country please look at his other videos

[boilingbubbles]

love that snare...very thunderous and not drowned out by the wires

[imover18gotityube]

I think it's been given some reverb.

[MLAOTNMCC]

This is just speed, no skill at all!

[zooby11]

I would love to stab you right now. You obviously know nothing about drums, or music for that matter. just don't speak, or text.... whatever.

[MLAOTNMCC]

Eh, joking?

[boilingbubbles]

yeah man, its called sarcasm

[MLAOTNMCC]

Eh, i was joking?

[dungamong]

you are so ill informed

[kraastopher]

Finally and extreme metal drummer whose flexibility is evident. It is alright to watch all of these fast drummers, such as George Kollias, Pete Sandoval, etc, but it definitely gets boring. It impresses me a lot to see a drummer like yourself knows how to better himself in ways other than blast beating. Your Rumba video is nice as well; it brings me back to my initial point. I would really like to see you do a non-metal "experimental" project. Could be very interesting. Cheers,

Chris Martinez

[HICKDRUMMER1]

WAY TO SLOW

[123mcquade123]

he is doing it slow, because you can really tell who is a good drummer when playing to a click track whne it is slow like here. if he was blasting away at 200bpm or more, you would really have to listen, but here there is less sound that is overpowering the click track so it is way easier to tell if he is on time or not.

[rigolith]

bass drum is going like booom...nice vid |\m/| |\m/|

[Wolfsblood6]

roddy plays doom metal now? hahaha

awesome shit man as usual

[mooch666]

i thought the 25 bmp video was rediculous, then i saw this haha. keep up the great drum work !!!

[Sinister3345]

Never came to this idea,very sickening.definetly hard as hell.

[AHillFL]

if you think about it this is sort of the same as playing at 60 bpm

[abotrumafro]

it´s the same like playing 480bpm if you want to XD

[JezenThomas]

Correction, it's the same as playing at 50bpm.

50 ÷ 4 = 12.5

[AHillFL]

wow you are totally right i must have completely blanked when i did that math lol

[simonejp91]

the whole point though is that the clicks are spaced so far apart but he can still keep 100% perfect timing in between with out going off at all before the next click

[M3G4G0TH]

actually he can keep it not at 100%. its more like 98.99999999% :D hahaha

[fireguye4]

i tried this...failed miserably, threw my drumsticks in the fireplace. not easy at all

[Dreammotive]

Definitely harder than 250 bpm

[Blacklorigine]

@Dreammotive I don't thinks it's harder. 250 requiers years of practicing, and by practicing on slow things every day you will get it in a few month. So, if you are used to extreme speed, of course 12.5 is harder than 250, but in fact, it's harder to become able to play 250. I may be wrong, but I believe it.

[777drummerofdeath777]

How did you not speed up? I would've failed miserably at that lol great job! 5/5

[Suitshere]

what a pro

[AManInWhite]

This is something nile did in the song sarcophagus, its really techniqal.

[behindthen0thing]

we should really stop using the term technical so much, its starting to get annoying

[imover18gotityube]

Got a better idea?

[smurfhunterguy]

call it balls and wieners and we'll be done with it

[amlaped09]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why?

[666jank666]

wtf ? really ? xD

look at his other videos man xD

then you'll be suprised ;)

[stormblazt90]

if you're basing your opinion solely on this video you are an idiot

[juanpa0891]

hahaha what ignorat u r

[NecroDhalia]

Pure talent.

[blackmetalboy458]

this is what i like to see in a drummer...

he can work at both ends of the scale whether its 12.5 or 250 he keeps it consistant, steady with a great dynamic and fluency.

[bradrocks777]

absolutely correct

Im glad someone agrees