Lord Lawson on David Cameron not signing European treaty (09Dec11)

[KowBoySpace]

When this EURO un democratic collaboration happens. Thankfully not including us in the UK. Where are all the citizans going to vote to stop what they dont like? where will they protest that wont just say back to them "sorry it is out of our hands?".Will they all catch planes to brussels?. People (well most, sometimes the Germans have shown they dont much mind not being free if the economy is better) need to feel free and would rather feel free with less money. Mess with that at your peril

[BREDATOR1]

Basically the Euro will  fail .and it is true..sorry sarky and murky.....

[SuperZuffle]

@lcabosa When you say parasites do you mean the countrys that undertook false accounting and fraud to get into the euro? Or how about the greeks retiring at 50 while the rest of europe works into its 60's? or claiming pensions for dead people? you mean these parasites? or how about the southern countrys evading income tax on a national scale and expecting the rest of Europe to pick the tab up? these parasites? You have all been living beyond your means time to face upto reality!

[lcabosa]

@SuperZuffle all that made possible by the cheap credit ur City investors made possible, now regulation END of financial interference.

[SuperZuffle]

@lcabosa Actually i think your wrong the flow of euros into the money markets is controlled by the Europenan Central Bank. The sad thing is most brits love the EU but you have ignored us for years. Remember Black Wednesday and the ERM we could of done with europes help then but you laughed at us.

Your current problem is of your own making the only reason you are mad at us is because we have been proven correct on the euro!

[lcabosa]

@SuperZuffle u wish the euro to be wrong, u are trowing EU in a path that was not necessary, federalization, economics largely played by Wall street and the city made it possible, i like Britain to, but anouf is anouf, insted of helping ur allies u turn ur back, leaving them to the wishes of france and germany.

[pogmathon100]

Seriously though, the small nations of Europe who kept their heads down will pay a price for this. It will be lonely without the Brits to fight the Germans and the French. They are telling you all what to do. At least you all know that they wont tell us what to do. What we now know is that no other views are respected - or even tolerated.

[lcabosa]

@pogmathon100 thats all u can do now , wish for troubles in europe, what a losy country u are, to deplete other u are the first, to help and get an agreemente that affect millions u get the fuc out, BRAVO.

[pogmathon100]

@lcabosa I am not wishing for any troubles in Europe and if you read my comments you will not find that. Indeed the whole world economy will suffer if the euro implodes, so thank you for nothing. I think you are trying to say that my country is lousy. Actually it is a brilliant country and I love living in it, I have just been a long walk in the English countryside. You must try it sometime. It might make you feel better.

[pogmathon100]

@lcabosa This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise; This fortress, built by nature for herself, Against infection, Those are the words of Shakespeare by the way. Well worth committing to memory. I recommend it. Here are some more: This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall, Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands; (Richard 2nd)

[lcabosa]

@pogmathon100 hurray for you!! now can u please help others instead of turning ur back when sheet happens!!! can u show the moral and cultural superiority u sing about. NO U CAN`T, being good when u are rich dosent mean nothing ( u give what u dont need ), been good when u are poor thats something else ( sharing ).and no britain is not lousy, was a over the top argument just to show how im disappointed. heres ur humanitas??

[pogmathon100]

@lcabosa I think you are very misplaced in saying that the UK shoould help others. At a time when the UK Government has had to cut spending the one area that has been protected is development aid, that is aid the truly poor countries of the world (rather that EU countries that have poor judgement). We have also spilled more blood than any other european country trying to help the Afghans (whatever one thinks of that war). When the yanks need help it is always the Brits who are there.

[lcabosa]

@pogmathon100 ur like jews (heheh) association with higer power to profit and control, is starting to show all over ur National ADN. Development aid is just a 2 face coin, thats a old one ... ur spilled blood is NOTHING compared to the quantity of blood the ones trying to defende themselves from UK and USA . EXEMPLE: Iraque = 100 000 DEATH civilians , do they count??

[pogmathon100]

@lcabosa I shall try to ignore the ant semitic comments at the start of your last post. All you appear to do is snipe at everything without saying anything constructive. To dismiss all development aid as you do is sweeping and ignorant, as it comes in many forms and there are a range of strategies. The HIPC initiative of 1998 is but one example. Similarly my post made no reference to Iraq. Where are you actually from and what do you stand for?

[lcabosa]

@pogmathon100 cant tell u this, im NOT from a country that ignores body counts from others..., ignore what u want, thats the only freedom u are allowed by our masters, but dont call me names, propaganda and strategies that give with one hand and take with another,, accept others leadership or at least negociate, to be constructive u first need to recognize ur ground is leaveled with others, not that u are superior...

[pogmathon100]

@lcabosa I hate to have to tell you this mate,but you really are fucked up. You would probably make little sense in whichever language you wrote. You certainly make little sense in English.

[pogmathon100]

What is the difference between Iranians attacking the British embassy and the French? The Iranians dont pretend to like us. They at least have the balls to be honest about it all. I like that. Apparantly an American news team asked an Englishwoman what she thought of things after Dunkirk. 'Fine' she said, 'at least there is no-one left to let us down'. PS Never turn your back on a Frenchman

[rw5791]

you brits should open fire on french warships as you did in north africa in ww2.That should be camerons rsponse to mousiuer sarkozy.

[permaveg]

A staged pantomine , co ordinated by the illuminati. Choose your sides, ' we dont want to be dictated to by europe' 'oh yes we dooo !' ' oh no we dont' (all together now) ' oh yes we do', on and on and on and on repeat the mantra zzzzzzzzz.

[lcabosa]

idiot and idiots, the more u atack the Euro the more people from europe unite u just witness that, a great day for euro, a losy day for britain diplomatics, no margins to negociate, beware with the pound u making it easy to the markets.

[SuperZuffle]

@lcabosa Im afraid the joke is on you, only you and Europe are to ignorant to listen to us for the past twenty years. Heres the blind obvious fact!

Maynard keynes in the long term will destroy the euro!

You have set your course! Gloating about inter-generational theft should not be applauded!

Good Luck

[lcabosa]

@SuperZuffle good luck with ... how many tonnes of gold Britain have?? we sheared common ideals but now we see clear true UK and USA political, military and economic agenda, no more your puppets, FREE economic EURO.

[antonKASA2007]

eu is a great idea as titanic was great ship but which is run by idiots who will sink it so better that english who were not sleeping in the titanic decided to leave it and ride still in their own boat following the titanic to its journey..

[LoneRookRS1]

"Nope not me, I'm for integration, just not with the EU."

You're for integration? Don't make me laugh.

[Daaaniellaaa]

Dutch government might collapse? Where does this guy get his info?! The Dutch government is just fine... I haven't seen this man before but this doesn't help his credibility.

[newsoftheglobe]

it is indeed a good day for Britain

[RockofEngland]

It's time to leave the USSR and join the rest of the World.... Due to these unelected idiots in Brussels Europe is losing it's influence and power. It's time to jump ship and not go down with this Titanic like monstrosity called the EU.

[codownni]

REFERENDUM NOW!

[AD1991clipshamhouse]

@codownni for what we are not losing any sovereign powers, we cant leave the EU totaly cus economically we will be at a huge disadvantage,, yet we should leave with social and legal ties that Brussels wants to put on England by un elected people, we should never leave only be picky on what areas we are involved with that is what Cameron just did,

[PHONEYPOLITICS]

@AD1991clipshamhouse dont we still have to pay tho - all that money to a club we are not even in - all this economic saga about the eurowe buy more from them than we sell them - will our trade with Eire change for the worst for instance - I cant see it. Lets get out completly.

[codownni]

@AD1991clipshamhouse

Seriously, study international trade, law and economics.

[abrkPL]

@codownni

You really think that after Cameron blown up whole party yesterday and today, EU will be so willing to help Britain? What are you five or something? Think logically a bit. Politics is not business and personal affairs between Cameron and 26 remaining EU countries, as well as what he did, will matter. For the EU it's great if Britain leaves and collapses. Everything then goes to Paris and Frankfurt...

[mikesheen741]

@abrkPL We buy much more off the EU than they buy from us so free trade will benefit them more than it would us. Why would they be against it?

[abrkPL]

@codownni

To clarify. By HELP I mean negotiate Free Trade Agreements quickly so that there's no lag in Britain's export

[codownni]

@abrkPL

Lol

[LoneRookRS1]

@codownni and how will that benefit our economy you stupid fuck.

[abrkPL]

@LoneRookRS1 agreed mate!!

[codownni]

@abrkPL

I'd say that saving 40 Million a day and having control of our Nation would do quite well, that's if we voted to leave the E.U. Leaving the EU and a referendum are two different things.

[abrkPL]

@codownni

I'll ask again. Do You actually think that EU needs Britain? If Britain will continue to set itself outside it will be pushed even further and eventually with no other option than to leave the EU. There's no way that EU will set itself as a subject to UK. Don't be ridiculous. Moreover, if Britain don't want to be subject to China it's better of in EU.

If Cameron was good negotiator, he'd think of special area (London and/or Edinburgh) outside EU financial regulations.

[codownni]

@abrkPL

You must be a European Euro-phile, because the question isn't does the EU need the UK. The question is: does the UK need the EU? We are a part of the commonwealth (which includes India...) We have a positive trade market with all out export lead traders except the EU. Not taking into account the Democratic deficit and economic problems we get from the EU, we do not need nor want to be a part of it. Noone asked the EU to be subject to the UK, it is the subject of Germany.

[codownni]

@abrkPL

Part 2.

If Merkel and Sarkozy were decent negotiators then the UK would not have veto'd their plans. Yet the fact is, the UK doesn't need the EU and the British people don't want to be a part of it. Other European Countries do because they have no viable alternative option, we do. Hopefully we will leave and leave you to it. Good luck with your experiment, but non merci.

[lcabosa]

@codownni every time u Britains dont lead u do the same,the World is tired of nationalisms and parasites. Now u gonna do the same u always do , mine others to get victory and them u can dictate the terms and rite history as u want.

[codownni]

@lcabosa

Your grammar and punctuation is so terrible that your comment is near illegible. You completely misunderstand the U.K's views on the E.U. We wanted to be a part of Europe but not ruled by it. "the World is tired of nationalisms and parasites" How ignorant, the World is overwhelmingly Nationalist. Just because other EU Country's have decided to try a post-democratic federal Europe, doesn't mean the rest of the World wants to.

[lcabosa]

@codownni grammar!! punctuation!! how do u dare to criticize mine expression u Moron, im NOT english speaking person but i made an effort can u speak to me in german !! hope u can understand better now.

[codownni]

@lcabosa

Speak to you in German? No, my grandfather made sure I would never have to, (R.I.P).

Please stick to the relevant points.

[codownni]

@lcabosa

We got rid of the Soviet Union, we now have it back in the form of the E.U and evidently you are so indoctrinated that you don't see it. But hey, if even now, at this point ,with mass social unrest, Democracy stamped out in so many European Countries including Greece, you still want to participate then fine. That's your Democratic right. Don't dictate to us how we should govern ourself. Our Prime minister is here to serve our National interest, not pay for your mistakes.

[lcabosa]

@codownni now comes the history lesson, to save democracy and how about the children ?? do u want to save them to ?? u now here u can stick ur fake moral superiority. negociate or get the fuc out.

[codownni]

@lcabosa

Terribly sorry, your spelling is atrocious, your argument ridiculous. I would continue this battle of wits, but I see you are unharmed.

[lcabosa]

@codownni to bad, gonna leave u in the usal ISOLATION posture that u are so fond of, go brittania .

[SuperZuffle]

@lcabosa In relation to isolation your lender of last resort is china, and they have turned you down. Oh and china has 67 companys on the London FTSE ignoring frankfurt and paris. And guess who is the biggest EU investor in china? The UK! So do not be expecting the chinese to damage UK interests! We run a trade surplus with everyone in the world apart from the EU!

[lcabosa]

@SuperZuffle let me tell u a secret, theres enouf wealth in europe to repay all national debt, not what is at stake here, not about money, thats just an escuse for political control, this crisis is in the making for past 60 years, the goal is federal Union and Britain leaving Alone negotiations it was the real test, if they had stay and agregate old allies in a counterheight to german/france history should had been diferente.becouse they are focuse in money they lost the real prize, leadership.

[codownni]

@lcabosa

As far as the "parasite" comment, I can only assume you are referring to the millions of European immigrants living within the U.K claiming tax credits and benefits. Because there is no way you are referring to the U.K within the E.U, that, my friend, would be ridiculous.

Next...

[lcabosa]

@codownni comenweath just serves u when u want!! tippicall u do the same with EU, u just change host when u like.

[SuperZuffle]

@lcabosa I have one question for you. Do you know why a blind eye was taken to all the fraud and false accounting by the greeks to get into the euro? Nothing was said because the greeks bought brand new submarines from the German government! And this is also why the euro is being propped up to save French and German banks that are over exposed to greek, italian, and spanish debt! You should be careful who you call parasite!

[lcabosa]

@SuperZuffle Portugal bought 2, so what that as to do with the financial toxic produts that put us here we are??

[SuperZuffle]

@lcabosa Thats just it thats not what caused this, this is a crisis of BIG government. Ones that are running huge deficits from having to big a state. Portugal and the UK, and Greece are good examples. Toxic products was just the tipping point, the bubble was going to burst eventually. When you are spending more as a country than you earn you are stealing from the next generation, thats not fair!

[lcabosa]

@SuperZuffle cheap credit, human behaviour, socialist politics and greed from investors thats all to it. REGULATION NOW. ur right is not fair but someone as to do something not walk away from the problem. and if we lost sovereignity to bad we had already lost it.

[SuperZuffle]

@lcabosa Your right, some banks are solvent, some are not! Let the insolvent ones fail it will be painful but life will go on. Some banks will actualy do alright out of it. But i fear that this will not be allowed to happen as french banks in particular have to much to lose! Of course they are looking after there own interests. UK should do the same, i just hope we all remain friends. As the UK wants a realtionship with europe albeit based on the EEC!

[codownni]

@LoneRookRS1

A Referendum? Are you serious?

[LoneRookRS1]

@codownni The British people haven't the faintest clue about the value of EU membership and many of them would simply behave like you, which is dangerous. 40% of our exports goes into Europe. Isolating out of fears of losing sovereignty or self-determination is simply the pathetic fear of brainless nationalists like you who haven't the faintest clue what you're talking about. You cherry-pick statistics but the truth is, isolationists like you will ruin this country's future.

[codownni]

@LoneRookRS1

"The British people haven't the faintest clue" Nothing like a racist generalisation to strengthen your argument. Must be hard when you have stooped so low. It's "dangerous" to ask for a referendum?..."Isolating out of fears" Nope, a referendum doesn't isolate us, even a no vote wouldn't. We buy more from the EU than we sell, would be hard to isolate ourself when we are in that position. Plus our currency is stronger than the Euro. We simply want trade agreement...

[codownni]

@LoneRookRS1

.....That's what we sighed up for.. Not a federal united states of Europe. We aren't a weak insignificant Country that needs to sacrifice Democracy, sovereignty and self-respect to do that. We are the 5th strongest Economy in the Worlds, which could be even stronger with our Commonwealth ties. "brainless nationalists like you" I have a PPE Degree from one of the top ten Unis in the U.K... "isolationists" Nope not me, I'm for integration, just not with the EU.

[codownni]

@LoneRookRS1

See how I picked apart your nonsense and asserted my opinions without any personal insults or racism? Yeah, try again .

[abrkPL]

@codownni

I've got one simple question mate. Do we have Free Trade Agreements with 40% of our export destination ie European Union? During time when Mr. Cameron negotiates working FTAs our finances will be in very very bad situation if not at the brink of collapse. I know we don't need EU IF and ONLY IF we've got Free Trade Agreements with EU members. After PM's stunt we can be quiet certain we don't have them. Neither now nor in near future. So yes, right now, we need EU.

[abrkPL]

@codownni

One more. I'm not an 'Euro-phile'. I'm a businessman and an economist and a realist. In business one learns that unless you have better prospects You don't rock the boat you seat in!

[codownni]

@abrkPL

Where you born in the United Kingdom? Are you English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh or Ulster?

[abrkPL]

@codownni

My parents were Polish I was born in London and live here ever since.

Actually listening to PM Cameron's interview for SkyNews I was wondering about one thing. How come, he wants to 'use his borders to defend Britain against guns, drugs and illegal immigrants', while EU countries in Schengen Agreement have no such problems? Since my parents were Polish I'm watching situation there closely. They are the border of EU and have NO SUCH PROBLEMS. How come?

[abrkPL]

@codownni

By the way. In Poland they didn't cut everything like Mr. Cameron and sustain stable 4% GDP Growth throughout the crisis.

[codownni]

@abrkPL

How did I know you aren't British? Just another immigrant from another insignificant failed 3rd World Country. Your opinions are worthless I'm afraid and I have better things to do. Have fun trolling videos, the World doesn't know your Country ever existed.

[abrkPL]

@codownni

Hahaha. You are truly hilarious. I was born here. I live here. Probably know about the Kingdom more than You damn ignorant ever will know. I'm Brit. Always has been and always will be.

[abrkPL]

@codownni

And you might have SUSPECTED because I have different worldview then Yours and you'll never admit that I might be right. And that's why you're and idiot.

[LoneRookRS1]

@codownni "Just another immigrant from another insignificant failed 3rd World Country."

hahaha and you're calling me racist? The fact you think the EU and it's treaties are a threat to democracy and national sovereignty goes to show you obviously weren't paying much attention in your lectures. The UK as a member state had the democratic right to veto the treaty and treaties require multi-lateral agreement and ratification in order to be enshrined into a body of international regulations. 

[codownni]

@LoneRookRS1

"hahaha and you're calling me racist?" Nothing I said there was racist, even by your standards. " think the EU and it's treaties are a threat to democracy and national sovereignty" Yes OK, that's why every opinion poll shows we want to leave, political scientists, economists, lawyers, British people. "ight to veto the treaty and treaties require multi-lateral agreement and ratification in order to be enshrined into a body of international regulations" Duh, we know..

[LoneRookRS1]

@codownni Had a good wank over your own sad little comments have you? Good. Wipe yourself off and I'll respond.

First of all, my casual generalisation of British people is not racist, because the British aren't a race you fucking moron. However, most are uneducated and raised in a closed and nationalist cultural environment. Wow, you have a PPE degree from one of the top ten unis? Am I meant to wet myself over that? I have a degree in Politics and frankly don't give a shit.

[codownni]

@LoneRookRS1

"good wank over your own sad little comments " Erm no mate, can you not have a conversation without speaking like that? I guess you can learn our language and still be uncivilised. "British aren't a race you fucking moron" I was using "racist" as a legal term, I.E " a group sharing the same race/ethnicity culture or Country".. Quite obvious. Please don't swear it makes you look even more savage and desperate.