Is it at all feasible to regard all the precise geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
When so much planning, thought and precision are needed for man to perform such a task, are not the subtlety, exactitude and orderliness observable in the world a proof of origination deriving from the intelligence, creative planning and far-reaching wisdom of the creator?
Some people do not understand evolution. Small changes allowed them to survive better than other species. Evolution is smalls changes over millions of years. A cat didn't just change in to a dog both had a common ancestor. How do you explain the Neanderthals? It is an exciting story better than a myth repeated from virgin births. Repeats of gods Krishna, Mithra and Horus. They are the same stories. plagiarised. I don't know how a Koala swam to the Ark. Suspend believe again. Illogical nonsence.
I am laughing my head off. The Ark fit millions of species, unicorns and all!!! Fossils are millions of years to carve the Grand Canyon would take centuries. Delusion seems to run in the faithful. How can you make the sun after plants and animals. They would not survive. Fossils have been found and humans of intermediate species. Dinosaurs are never explained I trust with those giant teeth they were vegetarians. Start reading some science your are brandwashed.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY. Read this Internet article. Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustained. Even in an open system, there has to be an already existing energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH! Read this Internet article. According to a Newsweek quoting a NASA scientist, in the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (now meteors) into outer space which could have reached Mars. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil.
THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.).
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
@Mogley52 The idea of kinds is simplistic, unscientific and false. If kind begets kind, ie two entities are the same kind if they can reproduce, then how do you explain ring species? An example of this is a lizard spread around a mountain range. When the lizards who went west met the lizards that went east they could not breed, but each group could breed back along their migration path. so, lizard A can breed with lizard b and c, b can breed with d, c can breed with e and e cannot breed with d.
@Mogley52 I don't even call that evolution. I call that variation of species because evolution is when one life form has an entire design change from swimming to walking or from walking to flying or from knuckle walking to walking upright. Since none of those things ever happen, there is no evolution. Evolution cannot mean both things, it can only mean one or the other. There is no entire design change ever occurring. The genome always reverts back to what it was before, in real life.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell then the genetic code and mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did that first cell originate when no directing code and mechanisms existed?
@1tabligh My issue with this is in order to claim that universe is orderly and operates perfectly ud need to be able to compare it to other universes that werent orderly.
It's sad to see political correctness has taken a priority over truth. They're incapable of mounting sufficient rebuttals to the critiques of evolution so they resort to retreating behind their impenetrable wall of biased secular lawyers while at the same time indoctrinating the malleable minds of our youth with pseudoscience. "Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state." - Adolf Hitler
it is not even possible to teach what does not exist.
Evolution does not even exist!
You are not educated. You think that objects made or refined what you are!
All function, woorking parts and mechanisms always have a maker equal to or greater than the mechanism that is always made to work. Life forms are made by a preexisting word.
You have lost your ability to reason rationally and logically!
@JungleJargon I was wondering, ...if you'd gotten the chance to have a think about that stuff I told you, the other day. . .?
You know ...that stuff about about the tadpole, and the maggot. . .
The fact, that we have 2 examples of life evolving from something rudimentary, into something complex. And both can be observed in the real world, within a human-observable time frame.
@o1ooo1o I suppose it never considered the fact that there can only be One all knowing, all powerful Maker able to stretch out all of time space so that it has function inside of us when ordered. There is evidence of One Maker of one set of working parts used in one set of life forms and there is nothing else in existence.
@JungleJargon How do you know that Vishnu isn't the Maker of the Universe...?
All those deities feature in other creation stories, and are written about in other peoples holy books. Since all holy books, including yours, are written by humans, this places all gods on an equal footing with yours.
@o1ooo1o A Maker that is not perfect could not exist and would self destruct just like evolution does not exist and self destructs.
Only Christian teaching has been around since Adam and Eve when they were told that a Savior (God) would be born of a woman to make everything right again.
Everything else is a corruption or perversion of the truth.
@JungleJargon But which one is the real Maker...? They can't all be simultaneously... can they...? Or... could it be, that none of them are...?
Could the Maker be some other entity, that is not described in any of man's holy books...?
Something the feeble mind of man, could not possibly have a concept of... let alone claim to know it's name, it's personal attributes, and what it expects from us. . .
How arrogant is the one, who claims to definitively know the Creator of all. . .
@o1ooo1o There can only be one truth. Only our Maker is able to remake us again because there is no one else who can.
We know from the universe there is One Maker of all matter made to work inside of us because Maker of the function that hydrogen has inside of us is the Maker of the entire universe consisting of hydrogen and such elements that work when ordered inside of us.
The true Maker is all knowing, all powerful and able to stretch out time space so it has function inside of us.
@JungleJargon Not one of these latest replies from you, contains anything you haven't already said hundreds of times. . .
I have already put up a number of different arguments, refuting you from philosophical angles as well.
So far, all you have done is repeat yourself, like a broken record. Your answers have no originality, or any substance to them at all. It is becoming apparent, that you are not able to use your own brain, to answer to my arguments effectively. . .
@o1ooo1o You failed again to address any of the issues.
Objects did not make or refine what you are.
Saying such a thing is baseless, irrational and illogical.
All function, working parts and mechanisms always have a maker equal to or greater than whatever is made to work. That is the reasonable, rational, logical conclusion.
Everything I say is original, you can't find anyone else saying what I say.
@o1ooo1o It shows how much you are not paying attention to what the issues are.
You will not find those things on any other web site.
You never did address the issues because you never did have anything to say to the issues. You need to address the issues. There is no reason for me to change anything.
Objects did not make or refine what you are. Deal with it.
@JungleJargon Objects DID make and refine what we are.
All function, working parts and mechanisms DO NOT always require a Maker, equal or greater than whatever is made to work.
Hydrogen is the simplest, and most abundant (normal matter) element in the Universe. Scientific modelling consistent with empirical evidence (Big bang), shows how this first simple element forms, as everything cools, and protons and electrons pair up, according to the rule-set.
@JungleJargon Show me in the bible or whatever where god's word has the science correct. 1. There was light, then afterwards he created the sun. 2. The earth was flat in the bible. 3. There was more than one god in the orginal story suddenly it is a trinology. God sent himself to be tortured, or was that his son??? Talking donkey, snake, An ark that can take millions of species. You are questioning science with all this to explain? Everytime science discovers religion claims it.
@elsbymike Everything the Bible says is true, we have the animals today because they were saved by the Ark. If not, they would only be fossils buried by sediments deposited by the flood.
We have the Sun today too for that matter because the heavens and the earth were the first things to be made.
@o1ooo1o You had to deny reality to "validate" your belief.
Hydrogen is an essential universally interchangeable working part inside of us. Those kinds of parts never exist by accident, especially not 17 essential working parts at one time. In fact most of the most common elements are working parts inside of us are either beneficial to life forms or essential. One working part never happens by chance and we have over twenty.
@JungleJargon No one listen to this guy. JungleJargon is a simple minded tool that will never see what the issues really are, will never address the issue in anyway that is outside of his belief, and he will never challenge his belief because he thinks he 'knows it all.' This guy is a waste of time; don't respond to his childish cyclical thinking.
@JungleJargon Yeah its a great argument argument until it comes to the "creator" of god which you can so casually brush off, which completely contradicts the point you're trying to make.
@JungleJargon Theres no more evidence of said maker than there is of vampires. Did you seriously just bring up noah's ark in that last comment? Ha Keep arguing, Im going to grab popcorn!
Evolution has no evidence. Nothing ever reorganizes the genome besides the genome. Mutations are not able to organize anything in the genome and natural selection can only select what is reorganized by the genome so there is no actual mechanism for evolution to ever happen in real life.
Could you please tell us again ....what is the source of your teaching...?
It was, if I recall ...a book, wasn't it? ...an ancient book, I believe. A book about a magical sky-deity, who creates apples that no-one's allowed to eat, and a snake, who talks people into eating them. . .
And something about a guy who walks on water, was in it too, I think. . .
@o1ooo1o The function of hydrogen working inside of you as ordered proves that you have a Maker who is greater than the entire universe consisting of hydrogen and such elements.
@JungleJargon Did you read about hydrogen in the Bible...?
I'm not quite sure how the existence or function of hydrogen, is proof that we have a Maker. . .
I may have to refer back to my high school text books, to refresh my knowledge of hydrogen. I don't recall there being anything about it that implies God, it's properties and reactions with other elements and compounds, were fairly well understood then, in a scientific context, and charted on the Periodic Table.
@o1ooo1o Hydrogen is an essential working part inside of us that only exists because it was made to work inside of us and the Maker of hydrogen is the Maker of the entire universe consisting of hydrogen and such elements.
@JungleJargon Evolution has well over 100 peer reviewed papers validating its existence. Creationism has... ohh wait that's right none. Evolution as a theory is extremely strong while creationism as a theory is extremely weak.
@JFKdied2 Evolution has no viable human mutations that do not have side effects so there is no possible way to ever have evolution. Mutations are destroying the hunan genome at such a rate that we will become extinct before too long.
We proclaim most affirmatively that the phenomena of creation express and regularity; they do not proclaim purposelessness, anarchy and disorder.
If we are unable to understand the function of a small screw in a great machine, does this give us the right to accuse and condemn its designer as ignorant?
Or is that the horizon of our gaze is too narrow to encompass the true aim and purpose of the machine?
Is it at all feasible to regard all the precise geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
When so much planning, thought and precision are needed for man to perform such a task, are not the subtlety, exactitude and orderliness observable in the world a proof of origination deriving from the intelligence, creative planning and far-reaching wisdom of the creator?
@1tabligh Statistically the chances of the earth being created like it is is quite high taking when you consider that sheer number of planets in the universe.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Taking the lies out of the school text books may help children with "their critical thinking skills". Look it up and find out the whole truth behind it. God is still on the throne and someday this lady and other "know it all's" won't be permitted to put him on trial, ha ha. Bet he's laughing out loud. :) "Professor Antony Flew, a prominent British philosopher who is considered the world's best-known atheist, has cited advancements in science as proof of the existence of God."
cambrian explosion, a 20 million year time period in history where all of the animals that we know today simply appeared... Ever since then we have mainly only seen extinctions.
@vincentedd It's the fear of a nurturing a society ignorant of science. Creationism may be an easy way to explain life, but that does not make it fact and does nothing to advance our medical and technological institutions. You can have your believe in God. Just don't falsely say it's a good substitute for scientific knowledge and don't teach religion as fact in public schools.
Please find time to read this story of a doctor whose name was Semmelweis. It's a tragic story but it has something in it that scientists can learn from. Thanks
I'm sure he does right. The MC metaphor could stand for creationists just as well. My point is that both sides have arguments to lay on the table but I will rather put my trust in the book that is centuries old than in a 150 year old theory whose author doubted it himself. Besides, the scientific revolution began years before evolutionism was even mentioned and being Christian did not hinder many of the great scientists from making their discoveries.
@vincentedd But the credibility of an Idea should never come from its Age alone. What so solidly roots Scientific Theories in Reality, is that they are constantly checken and tested against Reality. Science is a Way of asking the Universe Questions and it will always respond in a way.There is something like objective Truth/Reality. And Science endeavours to find out just how that reality looks like. Also, let me hint to you, that Darwin did not doubt Evolution himself.
@LutzDerLurch (cont) And even if he did, that wouldnt change the Validity of his Theories. Science works on the basis of Reality and Facts and Evidence, not on the Authority of some Author. Modern Science is also well beyond Darwin and knows what he couldndt even dream of. Like DNS etc.
Thank you for the discussion. I agree that science is a powerful means of getting knowledge.I'm working on a PhD research myself.However,science is not believed a universal tool for explaining everything.Not anymore.Things like love or compassion still have to be grasped differently.Bottom line:time will tell.As a Christian I'm not afraid to be proven wrong because I have nothing to lose but a bunch of superstitions,as atheists say.But if atheists are proven wrong they lose heaven.
@vincentedd I think your last Sentence is merely a Form of Pascals Wager. Also, Compassion and Love are almost certainly just Output of our Brains, as is consciousness. And the Fact that Science can not yet explain everything in every Detail does not mean that it wont be able to explain it in principle.I do not believe in the Supernatural, and that leaves only the natural, which science can explain, if yet incompletely. There is, I am convinced, no reason to believe in the supernat.
@LutzDerLurch [con] However, the Bottomline is, that s.o.'s religious Views should be grated everyone. But they should be privatem and not influence School-Education. Science demonstrably explains the Facts of Reality, and so the Scientific Theories of, e.g. Conception should be tought, and not the "alternative Theories" of storcks etc.
@LutzDerLurch [con] However, the Bottomline is, that s.o.'s religious Views should be grated everyone. But they should be privatem and not influence School-Education. Science demonstrably explains the Facts of Reality, and so the Scientific Theories of, e.g. Conception should be tought, and not the "alternative Theories" of storcks etc.
@LutzDerLurch (con) However, the Bottomline is, that s.o.'s religious Views should be grated everyone. But they should be privatem and not influence School-Education. Science demonstrably explains the Facts of Reality, and so the Scientific Theories of, e.g. Conception should be tought, and not the "alternative Theories" of storcks etc.
As of now there is just so much evidence floating around, half of it says one thing, the other half says the opposite. Its so hard to debate anything just because there is pretty much an article to back anything you say. I say "Cambrian Explosion" Thats my evidence of creation.
Just tell me, has the country become a better place since you took God out of schools? Who cares how sweet that lady sounds - look where we are. If evolution is true there is no future. We are here for a better reason than to vanish into nothing.
It would mean no Future for us after we check out, only eternal Nothing - have you thought about it? Try to think about where the Universe ends to boot - and watch yourself lose your mind.
Evolution is silent about the afterlife because it's materialistic and materialism can't explain non-material things. That's what the infamous crisis of science of the 20th century came from (if you do some digging into the history of science you'll find a lot on that).
@vincentedd Evolutionis a demonstrated fact (eg Nylon eating bacteria). Evolution helps us vote against eg the over-use of anti bacteria in the food industry. Evolution is used to classify bacteria in medicine. It has real and practical use, where as creationism has none. It only stagnates scientific progress because you already think you have all the answers. If evolution is not taught properly in schools have disasterous effects in the near future. That is why she is on the mission.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
INFORMATION ARGUMENT NOT DESTROYED: The genetic chemicals exist in all species to make new genetic information but that doesn't mean random rearrangement of those chemicals by the environment will produce new genetic information anymore than randomly rearranging the letters in a love story novel will change it into a book on astronomy, and if the book were living the process of such random rearrangement would kill it! Read my popular Internet article, HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith science supports. Natural laws explain how an airplane or a cell works, but undirected natural laws cannot bring about either. Once there's a complete cell, the code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when there was no directing code.
I HAVE GIVEN OVER A DOZEN LECTURES defending scientific creationism before evolutionist science faculty and students at colleges. At the end, I would open up for questions, comments, rebuttals. The science faculty, for the most part, was silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true. Some in the science faculty offered tricky rebuttals and I successfully answered them. It's those who don't know enough science that I've found the most challenging to convince.
@desertasophy I never said that religion caused stupidity. Perhaps it does. Or, I never said that stupidity causes religion. Perhaps. I don't really care. I only care about people spreading lies or otherwise poisoning their surroundings.
Perhaps we'll be left with brainless morons. But I have more faith in humankind than that. I reckon it'd do humanity a great service if we could do away with religion. Perhaps not totally, one step at a time.
@desertasophy I'm being spiteful because I despise lies. And I despise people who spread them willingly. I don't expect to be met with any respect if I lie or tell half-truths to people, and if I'm laughed at because of that then I deserved it. Moral actions are rewarded and immoral actions are punished, it's altruism. After all, respect is earned, and I have yet heard any respectable point made by the youtuber in question.
Liars need to know that we don't accept their behaviour.
@desertasophy So you would be open to the idea that God exists if you don't care you wouldn't be commenting on videos going against God now would you?
@desertasophy I'm spiteful? You obviously haven't watched Christopher Hitchens. But yes, I admit I'm spiteful. Do I have a reason to be? Yes, because of religion, and because of the buffoons that try to impose their beliefs on others. Because of how religion is dividing and conquering people. I believe it is in everyone's right to hate and spite religion as much as Nazism, after all, Nazism wouldn't have been possible without religion.
@desertasophy Not at all. Even Helen Keller before she could communicate with anybody believed in God. That's proof my friend. And yeah in those countries people are not saved, but that's because they were raised to be told there is no God. Thats brainwashing. Not the default position of people. Btw if you're an atheist you are religious. Because you're devoted to the belief that there is no God. If you were nothing you would be agnostic, but you would have to be opentothepossiblitythatGodExists
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life and the universe work don’t mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell, the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when no directing code or mechanisms existed in nature?
There is no controversy. I can't believe that we still have this conversation. I had an ethics class project where we had to have a class argument in class about Evolution and you would be floored about the amount of college students that try to strike down evolution as "just a theory" as if that dismembers evolution as being true. I feel frustrated sometimes that there are adults that want to prepare our young people to run this country/world by teaching them garbage science ie Creationism.
Who taught god how to create particles, atoms, gravity, dark matter, black holes, nuclear fusion, anti-matter and FUCKING DARKNESS????? Let alone humans! That must have been one bright light bulb that went off in his head.
the american education system is screwed if these religious nuts win this fight. if your education system is screwed then the whole country will soon follow,
@assym2006 And so say all of us. Well some of us. But it is a scary thought that these faith schools seem to be getting more and more popular all the time. The kids hardly have a chance, its mental abuse in a very real sense. Dawkin's went around a handful of English schools and interviewed the children. At one school which was a mixed faith school. I think. at least the kids were all from theist backgrounds. And these kids believed in the young earth "theory". The teachers were wimps. Scared.
God holds man responsible for sins he knew we would commit before he created us, then commands us to beg for his forgiveness or holds us to the punishment he invented so when we die were sent to the hell he created.
The Manifestations of God in Nature!
Is it at all feasible to regard all the precise geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
When so much planning, thought and precision are needed for man to perform such a task, are not the subtlety, exactitude and orderliness observable in the world a proof of origination deriving from the intelligence, creative planning and far-reaching wisdom of the creator?
1tabligh 9 hours ago
Some people do not understand evolution. Small changes allowed them to survive better than other species. Evolution is smalls changes over millions of years. A cat didn't just change in to a dog both had a common ancestor. How do you explain the Neanderthals? It is an exciting story better than a myth repeated from virgin births. Repeats of gods Krishna, Mithra and Horus. They are the same stories. plagiarised. I don't know how a Koala swam to the Ark. Suspend believe again. Illogical nonsence.
elsbymike 1 day ago
I am laughing my head off. The Ark fit millions of species, unicorns and all!!! Fossils are millions of years to carve the Grand Canyon would take centuries. Delusion seems to run in the faithful. How can you make the sun after plants and animals. They would not survive. Fossils have been found and humans of intermediate species. Dinosaurs are never explained I trust with those giant teeth they were vegetarians. Start reading some science your are brandwashed.
elsbymike 1 day ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 3 days ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 3 days ago
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CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY. Read this Internet article. Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustained. Even in an open system, there has to be an already existing energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
Mogley52 3 days ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
Mogley52 3 days ago
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ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH! Read this Internet article. According to a Newsweek quoting a NASA scientist, in the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (now meteors) into outer space which could have reached Mars. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil.
Mogley52 3 days ago
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THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.).
Mogley52 3 days ago
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 1 week ago
@Mogley52 Ah... doesn't everybody already know that? I would have assumed so.
cm3007235 4 days ago
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 1 week ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 1 week ago
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 1 week ago
@Mogley52 The idea of kinds is simplistic, unscientific and false. If kind begets kind, ie two entities are the same kind if they can reproduce, then how do you explain ring species? An example of this is a lizard spread around a mountain range. When the lizards who went west met the lizards that went east they could not breed, but each group could breed back along their migration path. so, lizard A can breed with lizard b and c, b can breed with d, c can breed with e and e cannot breed with d.
nospacesallowed 1 week ago
@Mogley52 I don't even call that evolution. I call that variation of species because evolution is when one life form has an entire design change from swimming to walking or from walking to flying or from knuckle walking to walking upright. Since none of those things ever happen, there is no evolution. Evolution cannot mean both things, it can only mean one or the other. There is no entire design change ever occurring. The genome always reverts back to what it was before, in real life.
JungleJargon 1 day ago
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell then the genetic code and mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did that first cell originate when no directing code and mechanisms existed?
Mogley52 1 week ago
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THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site. The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation).
Mogley52 1 week ago
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based on the battle between evolution and creation, check out our new sci fi movie EVOLUTION CREEK decide for yourself!
chauncyhead 2 weeks ago
@1tabligh My issue with this is in order to claim that universe is orderly and operates perfectly ud need to be able to compare it to other universes that werent orderly.
kyekire 2 weeks ago
It's sad to see political correctness has taken a priority over truth. They're incapable of mounting sufficient rebuttals to the critiques of evolution so they resort to retreating behind their impenetrable wall of biased secular lawyers while at the same time indoctrinating the malleable minds of our youth with pseudoscience. "Let me control the textbooks and I will control the state." - Adolf Hitler
ubermechazillatron 2 weeks ago
@ubermechazillatron People are not that naive anymore, we know that objects do not make or refine what we are.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
Indiana teaching creationism!! Excellent!
theist77 2 weeks ago
Stop decieving helpless children. All function always has a maker.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
it is not even possible to teach what does not exist.
Evolution does not even exist!
You are not educated. You think that objects made or refined what you are!
All function, woorking parts and mechanisms always have a maker equal to or greater than the mechanism that is always made to work. Life forms are made by a preexisting word.
You have lost your ability to reason rationally and logically!
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon I was wondering, ...if you'd gotten the chance to have a think about that stuff I told you, the other day. . .?
You know ...that stuff about about the tadpole, and the maggot. . .
The fact, that we have 2 examples of life evolving from something rudimentary, into something complex. And both can be observed in the real world, within a human-observable time frame.
What are your thoughts on that...?
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o It is the same dna that makes both. There is nothing being evolved.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon If everything requires a maker then who made god?
JFKdied2 2 weeks ago
@JFKdied2 The Maker of all matter is the only Maker there is and there is no evidence of any other maker.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Another point for you to consider, which may have never entered your head. . .
Let's just assume you're right, and there is real evidence for a Maker... and that nothing in the Universe can be explained, without a Maker...
How do you know for certain that Maker ....is the one that your Book describes...??
How do you know it's not Zeus...? How do you know it's not Thor...? How do know it's not Ra...?
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o I suppose it never considered the fact that there can only be One all knowing, all powerful Maker able to stretch out all of time space so that it has function inside of us when ordered. There is evidence of One Maker of one set of working parts used in one set of life forms and there is nothing else in existence.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon How do you know that Vishnu isn't the Maker of the Universe...?
All those deities feature in other creation stories, and are written about in other peoples holy books. Since all holy books, including yours, are written by humans, this places all gods on an equal footing with yours.
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o A Maker that is not perfect could not exist and would self destruct just like evolution does not exist and self destructs.
Only Christian teaching has been around since Adam and Eve when they were told that a Savior (God) would be born of a woman to make everything right again.
Everything else is a corruption or perversion of the truth.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon
lol wut
grexory 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon But which one is the real Maker...? They can't all be simultaneously... can they...? Or... could it be, that none of them are...?
Could the Maker be some other entity, that is not described in any of man's holy books...?
Something the feeble mind of man, could not possibly have a concept of... let alone claim to know it's name, it's personal attributes, and what it expects from us. . .
How arrogant is the one, who claims to definitively know the Creator of all. . .
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o There can only be one truth. Only our Maker is able to remake us again because there is no one else who can.
We know from the universe there is One Maker of all matter made to work inside of us because Maker of the function that hydrogen has inside of us is the Maker of the entire universe consisting of hydrogen and such elements that work when ordered inside of us.
The true Maker is all knowing, all powerful and able to stretch out time space so it has function inside of us.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Not one of these latest replies from you, contains anything you haven't already said hundreds of times. . .
I have already put up a number of different arguments, refuting you from philosophical angles as well.
So far, all you have done is repeat yourself, like a broken record. Your answers have no originality, or any substance to them at all. It is becoming apparent, that you are not able to use your own brain, to answer to my arguments effectively. . .
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o You failed again to address any of the issues.
Objects did not make or refine what you are.
Saying such a thing is baseless, irrational and illogical.
All function, working parts and mechanisms always have a maker equal to or greater than whatever is made to work. That is the reasonable, rational, logical conclusion.
Everything I say is original, you can't find anyone else saying what I say.
You need to come up with another ad hominem.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Sorry, but nothing you say is original. You're just repeating the same Creationist dogma, over again.
"You fail to address the issues" ..."Objects did not make or refine what you are"
..."All function, working parts and mechanisms always have a Maker equal or greater than whatever is made to work"
Since these ...are the only replies you're able to give, to any of my arguments, it is you, that fails to address the issues.
You need to come up with a new catch phrase.
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o It shows how much you are not paying attention to what the issues are.
You will not find those things on any other web site.
You never did address the issues because you never did have anything to say to the issues. You need to address the issues. There is no reason for me to change anything.
Objects did not make or refine what you are. Deal with it.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Objects DID make and refine what we are.
All function, working parts and mechanisms DO NOT always require a Maker, equal or greater than whatever is made to work.
Hydrogen is the simplest, and most abundant (normal matter) element in the Universe. Scientific modelling consistent with empirical evidence (Big bang), shows how this first simple element forms, as everything cools, and protons and electrons pair up, according to the rule-set.
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o You are denying reality. Show me a function, working part or mechanism that does not have a maker.
Your belief is baseless, illogical and irrational.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Show me in the bible or whatever where god's word has the science correct. 1. There was light, then afterwards he created the sun. 2. The earth was flat in the bible. 3. There was more than one god in the orginal story suddenly it is a trinology. God sent himself to be tortured, or was that his son??? Talking donkey, snake, An ark that can take millions of species. You are questioning science with all this to explain? Everytime science discovers religion claims it.
elsbymike 5 days ago
@elsbymike Everything the Bible says is true, we have the animals today because they were saved by the Ark. If not, they would only be fossils buried by sediments deposited by the flood.
We have the Sun today too for that matter because the heavens and the earth were the first things to be made.
Stop making excuses and address the issues.
Objects did not make or refine what you are.
JungleJargon 1 day ago
@JungleJargon Those are the issues that you keep harping on about, and telling everyone else to address. . .
Well there you go... I've just addressed them. Just as good, and with just as much substantiation ...as you have ever given.
And even though it doesn't disprove a Maker ...I still bet my description of hydrogen is closer to the truth than yours. . .
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o You had to deny reality to "validate" your belief.
Hydrogen is an essential universally interchangeable working part inside of us. Those kinds of parts never exist by accident, especially not 17 essential working parts at one time. In fact most of the most common elements are working parts inside of us are either beneficial to life forms or essential. One working part never happens by chance and we have over twenty.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon No one listen to this guy. JungleJargon is a simple minded tool that will never see what the issues really are, will never address the issue in anyway that is outside of his belief, and he will never challenge his belief because he thinks he 'knows it all.' This guy is a waste of time; don't respond to his childish cyclical thinking.
IAmJoeAverage 2 weeks ago
@IAmJoeAverage Just prove to me that objects made or refined what you are.
Show me a mechanism that does not have a maker.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
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@JungleJargon I have nothing further to say to an idiot like you.
IAmJoeAverage 1 week ago
@JungleJargon Yeah its a great argument argument until it comes to the "creator" of god which you can so casually brush off, which completely contradicts the point you're trying to make.
1freeman777 4 days ago
@1freeman777 The Maker of the directed function of hydrogen inside of you is the Maker of all matter and there is no evidence of any other maker.
JungleJargon 1 day ago
@JungleJargon Theres no more evidence of said maker than there is of vampires. Did you seriously just bring up noah's ark in that last comment? Ha Keep arguing, Im going to grab popcorn!
1freeman777 1 day ago
We are very much against outright lies.
There is no evidence to support evolution.
It does not exist in the real worlld!
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
Evolution has no evidence. Nothing ever reorganizes the genome besides the genome. Mutations are not able to organize anything in the genome and natural selection can only select what is reorganized by the genome so there is no actual mechanism for evolution to ever happen in real life.
You are teaching fantasy!
Objects did not make or refine what you are!
Evolution is not science!
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon "You are teaching fantasy!"
Could you please tell us again ....what is the source of your teaching...?
It was, if I recall ...a book, wasn't it? ...an ancient book, I believe. A book about a magical sky-deity, who creates apples that no-one's allowed to eat, and a snake, who talks people into eating them. . .
And something about a guy who walks on water, was in it too, I think. . .
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o The function of hydrogen working inside of you as ordered proves that you have a Maker who is greater than the entire universe consisting of hydrogen and such elements.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Did you read about hydrogen in the Bible...?
I'm not quite sure how the existence or function of hydrogen, is proof that we have a Maker. . .
I may have to refer back to my high school text books, to refresh my knowledge of hydrogen. I don't recall there being anything about it that implies God, it's properties and reactions with other elements and compounds, were fairly well understood then, in a scientific context, and charted on the Periodic Table.
o1ooo1o 2 weeks ago
@o1ooo1o Hydrogen is an essential working part inside of us that only exists because it was made to work inside of us and the Maker of hydrogen is the Maker of the entire universe consisting of hydrogen and such elements.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
You are teaching outright lies intentionally.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
How can you teach that objects made or refined what you are???
There is no evidence to support such a baseless, irrational, illogical belief!
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
Objects did not make or refine what you are.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
Science says everything has a cause equal to or greater that whatever function, working parts or mechanisms there are.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
Evolution is not science, it is a disgraced theory.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@JungleJargon Evolution has well over 100 peer reviewed papers validating its existence. Creationism has... ohh wait that's right none. Evolution as a theory is extremely strong while creationism as a theory is extremely weak.
JFKdied2 2 weeks ago
@JFKdied2 Evolution has no viable human mutations that do not have side effects so there is no possible way to ever have evolution. Mutations are destroying the hunan genome at such a rate that we will become extinct before too long.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
All of your "evidence" was later disproved. You lied to the judge.
JungleJargon 2 weeks ago
@1tabligh if you call that ambiguous bull shit an even remote evidence for god let a lone creationism there's something wrong with you.
kyekire 2 weeks ago
@kyekire Use the reply button instead!
We proclaim most affirmatively that the phenomena of creation express and regularity; they do not proclaim purposelessness, anarchy and disorder.
If we are unable to understand the function of a small screw in a great machine, does this give us the right to accuse and condemn its designer as ignorant?
Or is that the horizon of our gaze is too narrow to encompass the true aim and purpose of the machine?
1tabligh 2 weeks ago
cant we just say creationism is retarded?
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downyourtube 3 weeks ago
I'll never take creationism seriously.
kyekire 3 weeks ago
@kyekire The Manifestations of God in Nature!
Is it at all feasible to regard all the precise geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
When so much planning, thought and precision are needed for man to perform such a task, are not the subtlety, exactitude and orderliness observable in the world a proof of origination deriving from the intelligence, creative planning and far-reaching wisdom of the creator?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Statistically the chances of the earth being created like it is is quite high taking when you consider that sheer number of planets in the universe.
JFKdied2 2 weeks ago
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@JFKdied2 The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 2 weeks ago
Religion poisons the mind.
Thinkdeep420 1 month ago
Keep science in the science class.
Thinkdeep420 1 month ago
@Thinkdeep420 Aye, and religion in RS...
Reunakk 1 month ago
@Thinkdeep420 and the unscientific theories such as evolution. and the big bang theory..out.
Jesusknowsyou1 1 month ago
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Taking the lies out of the school text books may help children with "their critical thinking skills". Look it up and find out the whole truth behind it. God is still on the throne and someday this lady and other "know it all's" won't be permitted to put him on trial, ha ha. Bet he's laughing out loud. :) "Professor Antony Flew, a prominent British philosopher who is considered the world's best-known atheist, has cited advancements in science as proof of the existence of God."
Jesusknowsyou1 1 month ago
@Jesusknowsyou1 i agree with you, schools do need to teach morals
seeheers 1 month ago
@seeheers You must have read someone elses statement. I never said that the school should teach morals.
Jesusknowsyou1 1 month ago
@seeheers I guess my daughter was answering. I never wrote that.
Jesusknowsyou1 1 month ago
@Jesusknowsyou1 Not the smartest move letting her use your personal stuff...
seeheers 4 weeks ago
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Jesusknowsyou1 1 month ago
cambrian explosion, a 20 million year time period in history where all of the animals that we know today simply appeared... Ever since then we have mainly only seen extinctions.
dev.biologists(dot)org/content/126/5/851.short
seeheers 1 month ago
FAKE AND GAY.
hill933dan 1 month ago
there is "controversy" about global warming too?! o.O
Floortjahh 1 month ago
@Floortjahh science is never settled
seeheers 4 weeks ago
What are you evolutionists afraid of that you try so hard to push God out?
vincentedd 1 month ago
@vincentedd It's the fear of a nurturing a society ignorant of science. Creationism may be an easy way to explain life, but that does not make it fact and does nothing to advance our medical and technological institutions. You can have your believe in God. Just don't falsely say it's a good substitute for scientific knowledge and don't teach religion as fact in public schools.
nutritionaljunkie 1 month ago
@nutritionaljunkie
Please find time to read this story of a doctor whose name was Semmelweis. It's a tragic story but it has something in it that scientists can learn from. Thanks
vincentedd 1 month ago
@vincentedd What is the Master Cabinetmaker afraid of, that he tries to push out those who teach complete Bullshit about Woodworking?
LutzDerLurch 1 month ago
@LutzDerLurch
I'm sure he does right. The MC metaphor could stand for creationists just as well. My point is that both sides have arguments to lay on the table but I will rather put my trust in the book that is centuries old than in a 150 year old theory whose author doubted it himself. Besides, the scientific revolution began years before evolutionism was even mentioned and being Christian did not hinder many of the great scientists from making their discoveries.
vincentedd 1 month ago
@vincentedd But the credibility of an Idea should never come from its Age alone. What so solidly roots Scientific Theories in Reality, is that they are constantly checken and tested against Reality. Science is a Way of asking the Universe Questions and it will always respond in a way.There is something like objective Truth/Reality. And Science endeavours to find out just how that reality looks like. Also, let me hint to you, that Darwin did not doubt Evolution himself.
LutzDerLurch 1 month ago
@LutzDerLurch (cont) And even if he did, that wouldnt change the Validity of his Theories. Science works on the basis of Reality and Facts and Evidence, not on the Authority of some Author. Modern Science is also well beyond Darwin and knows what he couldndt even dream of. Like DNS etc.
LutzDerLurch 1 month ago
Thank you for the discussion. I agree that science is a powerful means of getting knowledge.I'm working on a PhD research myself.However,science is not believed a universal tool for explaining everything.Not anymore.Things like love or compassion still have to be grasped differently.Bottom line:time will tell.As a Christian I'm not afraid to be proven wrong because I have nothing to lose but a bunch of superstitions,as atheists say.But if atheists are proven wrong they lose heaven.
vincentedd 1 month ago
@vincentedd I think your last Sentence is merely a Form of Pascals Wager. Also, Compassion and Love are almost certainly just Output of our Brains, as is consciousness. And the Fact that Science can not yet explain everything in every Detail does not mean that it wont be able to explain it in principle.I do not believe in the Supernatural, and that leaves only the natural, which science can explain, if yet incompletely. There is, I am convinced, no reason to believe in the supernat.
LutzDerLurch 1 month ago
@LutzDerLurch [con] However, the Bottomline is, that s.o.'s religious Views should be grated everyone. But they should be privatem and not influence School-Education. Science demonstrably explains the Facts of Reality, and so the Scientific Theories of, e.g. Conception should be tought, and not the "alternative Theories" of storcks etc.
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@LutzDerLurch [con] However, the Bottomline is, that s.o.'s religious Views should be grated everyone. But they should be privatem and not influence School-Education. Science demonstrably explains the Facts of Reality, and so the Scientific Theories of, e.g. Conception should be tought, and not the "alternative Theories" of storcks etc.
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@LutzDerLurch (con) However, the Bottomline is, that s.o.'s religious Views should be grated everyone. But they should be privatem and not influence School-Education. Science demonstrably explains the Facts of Reality, and so the Scientific Theories of, e.g. Conception should be tought, and not the "alternative Theories" of storcks etc.
LutzDerLurch 1 month ago
@vincentedd haha good point, PhD is what?
As of now there is just so much evidence floating around, half of it says one thing, the other half says the opposite. Its so hard to debate anything just because there is pretty much an article to back anything you say. I say "Cambrian Explosion" Thats my evidence of creation.
seeheers 1 month ago
@seeheers Mind if I plagiarize your last sentence?
seeheers 1 month ago
@seeheers
Not at all. It might be someone else who said that.
It's a scientific degree, Doctor of Philosophy.
vincentedd 1 month ago
Wow she IS on the mission.
Just tell me, has the country become a better place since you took God out of schools? Who cares how sweet that lady sounds - look where we are. If evolution is true there is no future. We are here for a better reason than to vanish into nothing.
vincentedd 1 month ago
@vincentedd "better place...god out of schools"
Yes.
curlew0609 1 month ago
@vincentedd Why would the Truth of Evolution mean there is no Future?
LutzDerLurch 1 month ago
@LutzDerLurch
It would mean no Future for us after we check out, only eternal Nothing - have you thought about it? Try to think about where the Universe ends to boot - and watch yourself lose your mind.
Evolution is silent about the afterlife because it's materialistic and materialism can't explain non-material things. That's what the infamous crisis of science of the 20th century came from (if you do some digging into the history of science you'll find a lot on that).
vincentedd 1 month ago
@vincentedd Evolutionis a demonstrated fact (eg Nylon eating bacteria). Evolution helps us vote against eg the over-use of anti bacteria in the food industry. Evolution is used to classify bacteria in medicine. It has real and practical use, where as creationism has none. It only stagnates scientific progress because you already think you have all the answers. If evolution is not taught properly in schools have disasterous effects in the near future. That is why she is on the mission.
Floortjahh 1 month ago
@DrEvolutionQuest
Yea, they got tons of those on YT.
Also, many have like a kazillion sockpuppets
sonykroket 1 month ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 1 month ago
@Mogley52
And your point is?
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 1 month ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 1 month ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 1 month ago
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 1 month ago
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 1 month ago
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NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
Mogley52 1 month ago
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
Mogley52 1 month ago
INFORMATION ARGUMENT NOT DESTROYED: The genetic chemicals exist in all species to make new genetic information but that doesn't mean random rearrangement of those chemicals by the environment will produce new genetic information anymore than randomly rearranging the letters in a love story novel will change it into a book on astronomy, and if the book were living the process of such random rearrangement would kill it! Read my popular Internet article, HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 1 month ago
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GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
Mogley52 1 month ago
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WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith science supports. Natural laws explain how an airplane or a cell works, but undirected natural laws cannot bring about either. Once there's a complete cell, the code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when there was no directing code.
Mogley52 1 month ago
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I HAVE GIVEN OVER A DOZEN LECTURES defending scientific creationism before evolutionist science faculty and students at colleges. At the end, I would open up for questions, comments, rebuttals. The science faculty, for the most part, was silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true. Some in the science faculty offered tricky rebuttals and I successfully answered them. It's those who don't know enough science that I've found the most challenging to convince.
Mogley52 1 month ago
@desertasophy I never said that religion caused stupidity. Perhaps it does. Or, I never said that stupidity causes religion. Perhaps. I don't really care. I only care about people spreading lies or otherwise poisoning their surroundings.
Perhaps we'll be left with brainless morons. But I have more faith in humankind than that. I reckon it'd do humanity a great service if we could do away with religion. Perhaps not totally, one step at a time.
DukeTwicep 2 months ago
@desertasophy I'm being spiteful because I despise lies. And I despise people who spread them willingly. I don't expect to be met with any respect if I lie or tell half-truths to people, and if I'm laughed at because of that then I deserved it. Moral actions are rewarded and immoral actions are punished, it's altruism. After all, respect is earned, and I have yet heard any respectable point made by the youtuber in question.
Liars need to know that we don't accept their behaviour.
DukeTwicep 2 months ago
@desertasophy So you would be open to the idea that God exists if you don't care you wouldn't be commenting on videos going against God now would you?
TheNikNaK88 2 months ago
@desertasophy I'm spiteful? You obviously haven't watched Christopher Hitchens. But yes, I admit I'm spiteful. Do I have a reason to be? Yes, because of religion, and because of the buffoons that try to impose their beliefs on others. Because of how religion is dividing and conquering people. I believe it is in everyone's right to hate and spite religion as much as Nazism, after all, Nazism wouldn't have been possible without religion.
DukeTwicep 2 months ago
@desertasophy Not at all. Even Helen Keller before she could communicate with anybody believed in God. That's proof my friend. And yeah in those countries people are not saved, but that's because they were raised to be told there is no God. Thats brainwashing. Not the default position of people. Btw if you're an atheist you are religious. Because you're devoted to the belief that there is no God. If you were nothing you would be agnostic, but you would have to be opentothepossiblitythatGodExists
TheNikNaK88 2 months ago
Creationists have to be some of the most deeply dishonest and manipulative people you could ever have the misfortune to meet.
ThereIsCake 2 months ago
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ThereIsCake 2 months ago
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
Mogley52 2 months ago
@Mogley52 Quit lying please.
DukeTwicep 2 months ago
@Mogley52 Quit lying please.
DukeTwicep 2 months ago 2
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
Mogley52 2 months ago
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
Mogley52 2 months ago
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions of tons of Earth soil)
Mogley52 2 months ago
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital structures, organs, reproductive system were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
Mogley52 2 months ago
@Mogley52 There is no war among evolutionists. This question has already been answered thousands and thousands of times.
You should probably get some education before you start telling other people how a process, which you have no knowledge about, works.
Either show me peer-reviewed articles from respected scientists showing that evolution does not work or you can take your lies somewhere else.
DukeTwicep 2 months ago 3
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
Mogley52 2 months ago
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life and the universe work don’t mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete and living cell, the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell originate when no directing code or mechanisms existed in nature?
Mogley52 2 months ago
May Darwin bless Eugenie.
OrthodoxDarwinist 2 months ago
There is no controversy. I can't believe that we still have this conversation. I had an ethics class project where we had to have a class argument in class about Evolution and you would be floored about the amount of college students that try to strike down evolution as "just a theory" as if that dismembers evolution as being true. I feel frustrated sometimes that there are adults that want to prepare our young people to run this country/world by teaching them garbage science ie Creationism.
Strikethematch1 2 months ago 18
What a brilliant woman!
UncleSaat 2 months ago 6
Set external curriculum and exams for home schooling.
If they can not get reasonable results no home schooling.
Inclued critical thinking, comparitive religion and make them read the whole bible.
That should put an end to religion.
VideoAudioDisco09 2 months ago 4
This makes me feel sick to my stomach. So much for the great state of America, I'm moving to Japan.
richjammcl 2 months ago
Who taught god how to create particles, atoms, gravity, dark matter, black holes, nuclear fusion, anti-matter and FUCKING DARKNESS????? Let alone humans! That must have been one bright light bulb that went off in his head.
gateman42 2 months ago
@gateman42 He farted it all into existence , I seen it on a cartoon....so it must be true;-)
NaturalSelection101 2 months ago 2
@NaturalSelection101 If god farted in space, does it make a sound?
gateman42 2 months ago 2
@gateman42 THe ultimate 'silent but deadly' fart ever
NaturalSelection101 2 months ago
PCS and the Banana Man have voted down.
gunnerfan87 2 months ago
the american education system is screwed if these religious nuts win this fight. if your education system is screwed then the whole country will soon follow,
lordscully 2 months ago 2
@assym2006 And so say all of us. Well some of us. But it is a scary thought that these faith schools seem to be getting more and more popular all the time. The kids hardly have a chance, its mental abuse in a very real sense. Dawkin's went around a handful of English schools and interviewed the children. At one school which was a mixed faith school. I think. at least the kids were all from theist backgrounds. And these kids believed in the young earth "theory". The teachers were wimps. Scared.
seanieboy78 2 months ago
God holds man responsible for sins he knew we would commit before he created us, then commands us to beg for his forgiveness or holds us to the punishment he invented so when we die were sent to the hell he created.
B.T.W. God loves you!
metalsusa1 2 months ago 2
I was fortunate to see Genie Scott lecture a few months back. Amazing!
jeans1515 2 months ago 2