Tae Kwon Do Black Belt Instructor vs Rener Gracie FIGHT / Challenge Match!!!

[MmaNcovers]

I think its corny how this took place in 2006, and Rener is only using BJJ. The times have changed, learn how to mix it up. BJJ isn't superior than striking, its just different. Once the grappler has a striker on the ground, the striker's martial art no longer applies, he's playing a grappling/ground and pound game. The same can be said about a striker who can avoid every take down from a BJJ practitioner, the bjj will not apply.

[TheOneandPrime]

Its funny how many people don't realize that there is strikes in GJJ. Watch some of the Gracie Combatives videos, lots of strikes. GJJ is for real life encounters, the more sport oriented BJJ is focused towards grappling tournaments. Educate yourselves before you comment or risk having your opinions ridiculed.

[lsloewen2]

Funny, this "Amateur UFC fighter" below tells a story about how a guy for his finger bitten off applying a RNC, biggest tell ever. Anyone who has taken like two BJJ classes knows that's impossible unless your mouth is located on the back of your head or shoulder. No clue at all what he is saying, I actually laughed aloud

[lsloewen2]

@dedqqh2u funny how the VAST majority of people don't get into any type of fight their entire lives but you seem to be attacked everyday. Maybe the best martial art for you would be to stop picking fights and use some common sense to stay out of bad areas

[lsloewen2]

@dedqqh2u here is my counter argument, I've been in 500 fights, have 30 black belts and 70 years experience and say nothing in the world can beat GJJ. I have the same claim to legitimacy you do. Simply put, striking is not effective without excellent takedown defense and submission counters in today's well educated enviroment

[lsloewen2]

@dedqqh2u making claims of your martial arts accomplishments to disprove the claims of established fighters without proof is as inane and illogical as my 3 sentence statement. It's the age of modern MMA, not 1980, if you want to prove a point, such as "GJJ is just as vulnerable to strikers as any art" you have all the resources and more that Rorion Gracie did. Start your own revolution.

[Pyxo8888]

I think i'm going to make a video of the effectivness of grappling in a real street fight when your lifes in danger. I use to sell something to junkies. Grappling, and choking people out or breaking there arms, or getting close is the last thing you wanna do to someone you don't know. A guy lost one of his eyes in my city at jt's bar, tring to put a guy in a choke.

[deDqq2Hu]

@Pyxo8888 Agreed. One of my teachers trained in many styles, he no longer uses gjj because he rear naked choked someone- the guy escaped by biting his finger off- meanwhile the victim's girlfriend kicked him in the head. It's great for 1v1 with rules, but once it hits the pavement, so much more can happen.

[lsloewen2]

@dedqquh2

Your lying. You have never beat anyone with knowledge of GJJ. Your also an idiot.

[deDqq2Hu]

@lsloewen2 thank you. your logic skills are profound. The human body works in certain ways, and no matter the style, in the end it is all about individual practitioners. jiu jitsu without striking matches, of course I lose to them because it is in their frame of training; but gjj does not teach every way to fight. striking against a gjj practitioner is just as effective as against any other style. gjj isn't all inclusive, it isn't finite. I have beat gjj users before, don't assume.

[deDqq2Hu]

Wow. Pride everywhere. Traditional is ineffective? Judo is the ancestor of jiu jitsu, and it's traditional. I don't do jiu jitsu, but I've fought those who trained in it as long as I have in traditional. I kick their trash because my style includes all knowledge of human anatomy and weaknesses, and how to exploit them. Jiu jitsu is one side of a fighting coin. Just because it is beaten in a match like this, it does not make it superior. Fighters themselves are superior, not styles.

[krichards816]

Yea, that's why the kodokan has an open challenge. I have "done" Judo, Tan So Do, Aikido, and now Judo. If I had to take ONE I would take BJJ hands down. Just an FYI, JJ is not the same as BJJ. And I would imagine you would be able to "kick their trash" fairly easy. I would lay $ down that a BJJ guy could "kick your trash" fairly easy (if they had the same amount of years in). Before you spout off, tell me about the other arts you have studied. If it's only one, your arguments weak....

[krichards816]

@deDqq2Hu FYI, BJJ now for three years. The LEAST amount of time of any of the other arts I have studied. 

[deDqq2Hu]

@krichards816 that's nice. but the only thing I wanted to point out is in the end, any martial art should lead to the same thing, and from that point on it's a matter of the better fighter. So don't get all-knowing-anal on someone for saying something simple. Btw, the people I claim to "kick their trash" have fought in both amatuer ufc in boise and proffesional bouts in Vegas. I don't care what you say, I know my abilities, you kb warriors need to learn there is no superior martial art.

[rickyd454]

@deDqq2Hu k every one discredit this dumb mutha fucka cause he said amature ufc he doesnt even no the sports not called ufc its called mma so no i dont believe u and most people probably wont

[deDqq2Hu]

@rickyd454 You don't believe me fine, but honestly, i have protected my own life and others against multiple people, knives, baseball bats, guns, and all ranges of fighting styles. gjj/any style doesn't win fights, the user wins it with intuition and whatever they can muster. ufc i referred to because it is a league of mma fighters. I know my life, I have lived it, don't tell me otherwise. There is no ultimate style. deal with it.

[rickyd454]

@deDqq2Hu no

[deDqq2Hu]

@krichards816that's great. cross training allows you to experience more drills or views on how to use your body. everything is a weapon, and every style can teach how to use them. you ask about my styles, I do MDK tang so do, judo, haidong gumdo, hapkido, and a little bit of gjj. I didn't mean to sound prideful, all I meant is that those who depend only on gjj should realize a whole other world of fighting. I fought and beat a few practitioners, but I would never say I can to all.

[rickyd454]

@deDqq2Hu jiu jitsu is all about anatomy ur smoked

[deDqq2Hu]

@rickyd454 so is striking lol stop arguing. a knockout punch to the face is just as effective as an Ezekiel choke, as effective as pepper spray to the face, as effective as knives to the lungs. There is more than one way to kill/disable an attacker. gjj is just a very effective training system. I respect, I'm learning it now, but I also understand that striking is as effective as ground fighting. Seriously though, there is no perfect art, there is no best system, individuals are.

[CommanderYuan]

I train everything. This fight is like taking a table stood up by 3 thin legs(BJJ), and a table being stood up with one leg (TKD), asking which can is more stable. Grappling is only counterrable with grappling, but don't think that striking on the ground is a myth. A good striker/grappler combo makes ridiculous GnP that would KO Jits head-on-cement near instantly in a street fight. Jits is useful, but "three thin table legs" get broken easily. Need more striking to reinforce it!

[deDqq2Hu]

@CommanderYuan Agreed, I get sick of gjj worshipers who think nothing else works. In pure gjj matches, of course I'll win some and lose some, but in real fights, everything is a weapon, and I have used striking on the ground to escape or gnp. cross training is wonderful, but no one should rely on just striking, or just grappling. Like you said, the more legs you have to stand on, the better.

[lsloewen2]

@mrcoffeebags

TKD dojos have padded floors, muai Thai dojos have padded floors, aikido dojos have padded floors, boxing rings are padded, why would the Gracie Academy not have padded floors? How would that have changed the result of the match? Just because hard ground is uncomfortable doesn't mean leverage doesn't work.

[MrCoffeebags]

A padded floor? For a grappler? How convenient.

[incarnateddeath]

lmao this guy is not a black belt in taekwondo. hes way to slow. even traditional is faster than that.

[iamroxasowns13]

Why does everybody rip on Taekwon Do? It is an art that teaches great offense and defense!

[TanMMA]

@iamroxasowns13 The taekwondo teacher showed great defense on the ground?

[jpd782]

I wonder if this is the same match that was talked about in Black Belt Magazine? A Tae Kwon Do fighter's girl friend wanted to train in Gracie Jiujitsu. But to test it's effectiveness, he wanted a match himself. It took place around this time.

[ddrmaniac123]

Man .. they are black belts and then there are Black Belts... If you know what I mean. The Tae Kwondo Guy was well just one of those black belts. Nothing Special. Having said that what is the point of all this!

[Tony007corp]

I wonder how pricy classes at the HQ are i live right near Torrence.

[Phishstrangler]

@Tony007corp It's on their website. It's pretty cheap.

[rhdadrian]

the dislikes proly train tkd =)

[waldomarek]

this "TKD black belt", or whatever he was, tapped twice without ever hitting or kicking once...

[dsan224]

*sigh* striking practitioners lol at 2:22 who taps like that seriously

[therage001]

Rener had fun using the least amount of energy as possible i think. :)

[waldomarek]

funny to see people being clueless on the ground... and all they do is holding you... till you give up or something? :P

[mrdubcrazy]

really clever cameraman/woman filming facing the windows....derrr!

[SkemeKOS]

WOW!!! You can blatantly tell that Rener wasnt even trying AT ALL lol!

The guy put up no fight on the ground whatsoever.

[takidabossen]

I doubt that the gracies would be lying! they are honest men that follows an amazing philisophy! therefore i would never question that this is a black belt takewando instructor like some here seems to do.

[ajiron2008]

lol so when did one of the gracies beat mike tyson in one of these challenge vids?

[RobbieH02879]

@SupremeARA915 Many peole stated in Traditional arts, hell, I'm a Black Belt in Hapkido and Karate, was my first arts as a child in the 80's..but truth is, 99% of it is junk...

[flores1823]

im sorry but that is not anything goes that is just grappling Bjj is obviously going to demolish tkd in grappling anyday that is why TKD practioners should practice BJJ or wrestling or judo before or else that will happen always or worse. it would be different if a BJJ guy went into a TKD school and sparred a TKD black belt to TKD rules only and no grappling or submissions where allowed.

[RobbieH02879]

@flores1823 If it was a street fight, one on one, the same thing wold have happened...except Rener wouldn't have been so nice and the TKD Instrutor would have been pummeled on the ground viciously.

Rener is a nice guy all things considered..he could have REALLY hurt the guy had he wanted to...

[flores1823]

hey yeah im sure he would hurt this guy he is not really skilled he did not display taekwondo striking and he also did not know how to grapple against the bjj blackbelt definetily this guy would have been hurt. But about a street fight you have to consider that the street is a whole different beast, no matter what youre trained in the street is dangerous even for the best of the best fighters in the world. I have a friend that is a black belt in bjj and was hurt with a pipe in the head.

[flores1823]

My friend has not been the same bleeds very fast when he rolls or gets hit in the face. He can tell you that the street is no joke. and that he would prefer to spar in a gym he is a very good grappler. But yeah I was never trying to discredit bjj just bringing awareness to fellow tkd users that it would be wise to learn jiu jitsu, judo, or wrestling to enhance there knowledge of martial arts and to defend themselves. lets not forget that martial arts is for self defense and discipline

[flores1823]

friendly competition doesnt hurt but as long as it is safe, like at the gracie gym or any other martial arts gym. and the guy in the video needs to train more, I wouldnt be suprised if he is a student at the gracie gym

[josh1212121]

@SupremeARA915 yeah, they use it a lot, only during fights. but do u think they spend time training tkd before fights? no. sure they do tkd kicks in real fights but they never train with that discipline. they only use it cause they'v trained in it before they got into mma, so they'r experienced in doing tkd kicks. but no one ever trains for an mma fight by doing tkd. all you see is boxing, muay thai, bjj or other grappling disciplines. never tkd

[josh1212121]

@SupremeARA915 yeah, a lot of guys use it. all the best fighters use tkd all the champions are tkd black belts cause its the best form of striking. note the sarcasm

[RobbieH02879]

@josh1212121 lol so true...

[emanresu81]

Many martial art masters try to promote their style. But why there's no one that want to do it like the gracie has done it? Many of them do the demo like fancy moves, breaking stuffs, choreographed fight. But why not create an open challenge, like Gracie Challenge?

[RobbieH02879]

@emanresu81 Because most "Traditial Styles they 90%+ pf what they teach won't work....the Gracie had MANY generations of PROVEN fights under thrie belts, they KNEW their style was efficient...

[jagmd]

How did this match even happen? Did the TKD guy spend the last 15 years under a rock?

[RobbieH02879]

@jagmd No, he wanted to see if the style was geood enough for his wife to take..needless to say he is probably now a GJJ student also..lol

[SlugDropsonheads]

meh... their ok... can't beat judo though....

[JuDge118]

@SlugDropsonheads watch?v=vkwCwFEPpQM

lol ok buddy. (awaiting your excuses as to why judo got dominated).

[SlugDropsonheads]

@JuDge118 watch Yoshida vs Royce Gracie.... The video you give was Judo tournament rules... The whole point of "Gracie challenge" is to not have those rules. In the Yoshida fight your golden chose the rules and was choked out..... (Awaiting excuses for PROPER challenge affirmation)

[RobbieH02879]

@SlugDropsonheads They've already kicked many judoka's asses prior to everyone knowing what BJJ was all about...

[SlugDropsonheads]

@RobbieH02879 haahahah you obviously know nothing be cause Helio Gracie the "grand master" of BJJ got his arm broken waaaaaay back in the day by a Judoka named Kimura... guess what move he used to break it smart ass?

[RobbieH02879]

@SlugDropsonheads I know plenty, I have been following and training BJJ since the beginning of it in the US after seeing UFC1 live.. And the Judoka was Kimura(who also outweighted Hekio by 50+ pounds) and boke his arm ususing the "Kimura" Did you ALSO know Kiumra got PUNISHED by Helio and Carlo;s student Waldmar Santana?? Judo is nor once was it was, the Olympics have ruined it with more focus being on standing throws.. but I LOVE Judo as well, but BJJ is king TO ME

[SlugDropsonheads]

@RobbieH02879 hahah the olny punishment kimura ever got from any gracie was the air he wasted tossing them around.... And i think you should look a little better because helio himself said that he had actually passed out during his match but no one had noticed hahaha believe me BJJ is only half (ground game not a pun) the Martial Art Judo is... Olympic Judo is only one aspect of Judo Kosen Judo is just as famous in Japan, don't look for greatness anywhere else than Japan, Korean, and france...

[takidabossen]

@RobbieH02879 you seem to think judo is better than bjj! maybee i am mistaken about your toughts? still i wanted to tell me what i think! i Think kimura was better than helio, Kimura is a genius in martal arts history. However that doesn't mean judo is better than bjj, that just means a judoka there was better than a bjj fighter. I respect that and i hope everyone else does that to, beacuse kimura deserves that respect. I have trained both judo and bjj and both martial arts are different.

[1lostinspace]

Rener is a nice guy! I would have busted him up with elbows knees and headbuts

[Jimbo898]

I have seen tons of Taekwondo fights and that was not Taekwondo, very poor footwork.

[josh1212121]

taekwondo sucks. its weak and no one uses it in mma hahaha

[ThePicko92]

@josh1212121 idiot mma doesnt use taekwondo because its ineffective not because it sucks and to says its weak is just stupid

[josh1212121]

@ThePicko92 i know that. mma doesnt use taekwondo cause its not good for kicks. taekwondo is classified as having fast and accurate kicks, not power. so it IS weak. trainers said it themselves taekwondo only improves accuracy and timing, but its weak for mma.

whos the idiot now, idiot

[Elm8n]

@josh1212121 its fast and accurate. You don't need that much force to knock someone with a kick to the head. What doesn't make up in force makes up with speed. So don't criticize any form of martial arts. They all have their strength and weaknesses. To say it sucks is just tell people that you're an ignorant fool.

[josh1212121]

@Elm8n i never said teakwondo sucks. i said taekwondo sucks FOR MMA. its useless cause its easily avoided

[Elm8n]

@josh1212121 mmm nope pretty sure you said it. "taekwondo sucks."

[josh1212121]

@Elm8n i didnt say that i only said it sucks for MMA. look at all my comments. and even so, its true that taekwondo sucks. why do you think only a few do it

[hallmonitor98]

was this grappling challenge only?

[RobbieH02879]

@hallmonitor98 No, it was anything goes

[morten90]

@RobbieH02879 thats bullshit. It was grappling only.

OR the tkd instrucktor was american

[RobbieH02879]

@morten90 No, why would it be grappling only when the TKD guy has obviously never grappled?? My god the excuses....

[morten90]

@RobbieH02879 beacuse: no tkd "black belt" (what dan is he?) moves as bad as he does. im not bullshitting when a tkd would have jumped away from singel and kicked them in the face for trying. Im saying this beacuse I dont think the TKD would win in this situation, it would go to ground and tkd would loose.

Things that I belive:

1.this vid is a staged video IF its "anything goes" and the tkd dident even try.

2. This is grappling only

3. or the instructor is American

[RobbieH02879]

@morten90 Thanks are different, adrenaline is pumping and he knew that ti tap BS was gonna get him killed..no wonder he didn't "move: like a "TKD bb"..seems NONE of them ever do when they fight a Gracie..lmao

[Mrlaeciocarvalho]

tira o nome taekwondo do video. manda ele entra num tatame cum um taekwondista de verdade

o chão vai ser o lugar dele... nocauteado é claro.

a luta não xega no chão.

[MikeLeProductions]

The tkd guy didn't even look like he was trying to strike or anything. i think the bjj guy was teaching and the other just went along and then this title came about haha

[RobbieH02879]

@MikeLeProductions No, it was a challenge match... The TKD guy teaches in Socal.... He was testing himself against GJJ and was considering signing his wife up... It's hard to strike when someone rushes you..he obviously has watched Previous UFC comps and knew he couldn't just go and strike blindly, he'd be down that much faster...

[MikeLeProductions]

@RobbieH02879 how is it striking blindly? hes coming at him, the guy doesn't even try to strike. I'm not saying that bjj isn't better. i actually think it is haha just sayin

[schwullhund]

i doubt this guy really even knows any tkd...

[RobbieH02879]

@schwullhund Why?? Because he didn't do a jump spinning Back Kick??? LMAO.... Watch MOST TKD or Traditional Artists in REAL fights..they use VERY9sometimes NONE) of what they are taught... Stuff is harder to pull off in real fights against someone not cooperating...

[JGSH13]

these challenge vids arent bs, they expose the flaws in the training of most martial artists. they hesitate to strike because they dont condition their bodies to hit hard surfaces so when it comes time to punch the skull they freeze. also their strikes dont have enough power cause they spend all their time with light contact sparring. train for a real fight and become a fighter. train for a show and become an actor!

[abenice]

@JGSH13

Maybe thats what you do but its obvious that this guy is no master of TKD. Its obvious that he is a amateur.  This is a sport its not real trust me.

[RobbieH02879]

@JGSH13 Excellent Post....

[GuardianAngel5150]

@JGSH13 Exactly. You don't win fights with that tip tap shit like TKDers and other TMAers out there practice.

BJJ is reality. And when you face reality? It can be a painful experience for the unprepared and untrained.

[RobbieH02879]

@JGSH13 I agree with this, it all comes to down proper "Alive" training..if you train with tip tape BS, that's what you'll instinctually do.. I remember having to relearan YEARS of that crap nce I started kickboxing...

[fdiaz05]

@JGSH13 well said!

[PoopClown]

@JGSH13 You are so right.-they should do their thing without dancing around and waiting to be taken down

[jorgekluney]

@JGSH13 hell yeah man.  And I mean, come on.... fags have to have their outlet for fighting too. That's why there's grappling.

[CommanderYuan]

@jorgekluney Lol. Art Jimmerson vs Royce Gracie. Nuff said. It's not like any of us are saying grappling is better than boxing.. well ok the Jits and MMA guys do. But still, I think both are just as important to practice. I cross-train in over 5 martial arts, along with boxing AND jits. Making yourself a complete fighter will just make you prepared to take the fight anywhere. Boxers who frown on grappling are only hurting their own intelligence and combat effectiveness. Respect to all arts!

[EricTaylor1221]

@JGSH13 - Strikers freeze up when it comes time to punch the skull... LOL - Come to our Muay Thai class and see if we don't punch through your little skull.

[JGSH13]

@EricTaylor1221 well, if you would of read my comment before posting yours ( if you CAN read) i said "most martial artists" not ALL and "they dont condition their bodies to hit hard sufaces" which most muay thai fighters that ive seen DO condition their bodies. so, your comment is ignorant and just downright stupid. lastly, have some fucking respect.

[seolma]

Many things to say about these vids.

First, the Gracies paid the instructors to win the fights, so they can do their propaganda. How can they beat so easily many masters, and having more difficulty fighting against less experienced fighters on the ring?

Second, the Gracies(and the one who uploaded this stupid vid) are arrogant and don't know SHIT about the martial arts mentality: It's not the martial are who is stronger, it's the fighter.

[RobbieH02879]

@seolma BS..the Gracie's never p[aid ANYONE to lose.. actually they offered money to whoever could beat THEM! Remember the "Gracie Challenge" of the 80's and 90's(and also during Helio and Carlos Gracie's days as well)???

[TR3YBUCK]

This is bull$hit ju jitsu propaganda,the so called blackbelt insrtuctor wasnt using ANY TKD,

TKD is all about strikeing,plus dude was like 5ft 5 or somethin so the fight went to the ground it was way too easy to put a sub on him.Ix doubt he knew TKD at all,Matt Hughes(a wrestler) has whooped two of the great bracies and their precious ju jitsu!!!

[RobbieH02879]

@TR3YBUCK LMAO.. You don't know much about the Gracie's do you?? No one is able to "apply" their Martial Art it seems..from the early UFC's and Gracie Challenges to now... Always someone scerams "BS" even though clearly it's not...

It's MUCH easier to grab someone for a takedown then it is for a striker to land that one perfect shot.. what did you expect? A jump spinning back kick?? lmao

[RobbieH02879]

@TR3YBUCK And Matt Huhges is around Black Belt level BJJ..he's been training it fulltime since he began MMA...

[joebeast15]

@RobbieH02879 he did whoop Royce ill give him that but honestly he was losing that fight to Renzo, Renzo won the first two rounds but he forgot how to check leg kicks. That fight didnt go to the ground at all

[TheGoogler77]

@RobbieH02879 Is there a source that Hughes is a BB in BJJ?

[RobbieH02879]

@TheGoogler77 Matt doesn't train in a GI, but all his coaches and the BJJ athletes he trains with state he is at BB level.... He's been training BJJ with Several high level Black Belts FULL TIME for almost 10 years....

[yeee941]

@TR3YBUCK First off, The Gracies have even said that they would Give Matt Hughes a Black Belt in BJJ, He isnt just a wrestler hes been doing BJJ for a while. Second Royce and Renzo are past there prime by a Mile,This is not propaganda because These tkd guys challenged the Gracies,and got beaten,and Rener wasnt even trying.

[RobbieH02879]

@yeee941 +1

[vjoroa19]

@yeee941 Its part of their life to get challenged :)

[joebeast15]

@TR3YBUCK aww someone a butt hurt TKD practioner 

[ZBladeD2]

i wasnt aware that taekwondo instructers teach and practice while not in full uniform.....instructer my ass.

[RobbieH02879]

@ZBladeD2 This was a "Gracie Challenge" AT THE GRACIE ACADEMY..... Gracie Challengers usually always wear street clothes(or as little as possible)..they believe they will have an advantage with little to grab onto... If he was in full TKD Gi he'd just be collar choked off the bat.. lol

[GroundFighter]

Sweet.

[martialart1000]

don't test or training their style like they need to, shotokan fighters for sport and real fighting but that doesn't mean they are the best. a style is your base to know yourself and what works for you. remember don't stick with hype or you might lose to someone who knows their stuff.P.S i think what Gracie good fighters is that they took what they love and trin hard and test what works for them it wasn't always jujitsu their first style was judo which became BJJ

[martialart1000]

sakuraba and Matt Hughes beat royce gracie, plus the gracie are smart they use their gi a lot to wrap you up.and about good Grappler will beat a Striker 99% of the time. that's not a really good back in those days ufc was very poor and Experience fighter in mma, now and day that 99% is not true it more like 50/50. but that history style go in a circle of life, one day a great striker, kicker, jumper etc is going to receive a title of best style. my point is that most people back then

[pbfedorov]

you should fight some master of sports in combat sambo, that is also a single martial art

[dobberdoss]

"Striking arts aren't enough as was proven by Royce Gracie in 1993, a good Grappler will beat a Striker 99% of the time."

I think that can go either way, hence all the good fighters NOW apply ALL techniques. Even the Gracie's have employed more striking techniques than they did during the 90's. They too have learned that ground fighting is not the be all end all of winning a fight.

[RobbieH02879]

@dobberdoss They are striking because of Stand Up's and Judges using a Point System... It has become a tip tap competition basically....

Even pure strikers go to the ground! lol The ground is probably the most important aspect of fighting.. I bounced for years..and it almost always turned into a "grappling" situation when the guys got hit and immediately grabbed the other and eventually both tripped up and it went to the ground...

[dobberdoss]

@RobbieH02879 ,

You really think the UFC is a "tip tap" competition? Going to the ground via 'losing your balance" is a little different to actually 'wanting' to go to the ground. i have to agree with the 'bouncing" comment though. Ive seen Royce taking a fight to the ground only to find himself picked up and thrown too the ground from above a guys head, knocking him out cold. Not a good move sometimes. You will also note most fights are won via a "punch", not a submission.

[RobbieH02879]

@dobberdoss UFC IS a Tip tap sport compared to the old days...

And.. And ROYCE HAS NEVER been KO'd from a slam OR a punch for that matter..what are you smoking??? lol just kidding

Of course some fights are won by a punch..that's why they call it a "punchers chance"..but is universally accepted that if it's a PURE striker vs a Pure Grappler, the grappler is going to win 99% of the time..save for the one punch KO...

[dobberdoss]

@RobbieH02879

"And ROYCE HAS NEVER been KO'd from a slam OR a punch for that matter..what are you smoking??? lol just kidding"

I will see if i can find it for you, saw it on YT

[RobbieH02879]

@dobberdoss If you can find it you would win a medal! lol I have been following the Gracie's and GJJ since 1993 and Royce has never been ko'd by a slam or punch....

[dobberdoss]

@RobbieH02879 ,

your right it was Ricardo Arona geting KO by Jackson. oh well

[mrcharles007]

TKD and other traditional martial artist need to put more focus on self-defense.

Tae kwon do is no longer a martial in america. it is a sport and most if the techniques that are taught is not effective in the streets.

[Baterine]

If the guy us suppose to be TKD then why is he grappling? Hate to say it but from the looks of it this guy is not striker. Odd how the martial arts were used for centuries for self defense and now magically have been rendered "useless" Hate to break it to folks, but it is the practitioner NOT the art, I and many others can give stories of us beating grappelers and such. It goes both ways. After all Bruce Lee did not do juijistu

[RobbieH02879]

The guy is grappling because he has little choice, Ryron tied him up,if he strikes it makes it that much easier to submit him.

And GRAPPLING was one of the MAIN arts used for "centuries" Pankration in ancient Greece, Wrestling in India, JuJutsu in Japan et cetera.Karate and TaeKwondo and the likeare modern arts,

And Royce Gracie, a totally UNATHLETIC SMALL/WEAK guy proved that the art IS a HUGE part of it.And FYI Bruce Lee DID train JUDO with gene Lebll, but even so, he was not a comp fighter

[Baterine]

I was referring to the guys style, it is not TKD and I am sorry but Gracie and his family have been training in juijistu since they were young. Saying they were weak and unatheltic is not only a gross misconception but also ignorant of Gracie's family history. Also Judo and juijistu in style are very different, yes, while men have been rolling around on the ground for centuries, I am sorry as an art it is not the oldest, Kalarippayattu would be. A bit more studying please Sir.

[RobbieH02879]

Compared to EVERYONE they fought, they WEE the SMALLEST AND WEAKEST...

BJJ proved to be what OTHER ARTS CLAIMED...an Art that Allowed a SMALLER WEAKER man to defeat a BIGGER STRONGER..

And the man WAS a TKD Black Belt and runs an academy in Southern California....

lol @ you googling styles names... Grappling IS natural, kids grapple, people grapple in bar fights when they take a punch! Even BOXERS clinch! Painting on walls THOUSANDS of years ago depicted Grappling...

[Baterine]

Also, if you look, the man goes into grappling, so he had a choice and his action were to immediately go to the ground. Gracie did not force the situation the man did, also looking at his style and how he moves, it is easy for any true practitioner to see if some one is truly the style the claim to be by the movement of the body. He is assumed to be TKD because he is tall and wears a gi, which is the same as thinking some one is a black belt because they wear a black belt.

[RobbieH02879]

No he is assumed to be TKD because he is a Black Belt and teaches at his own school in Southern Cali...

[northside420]

true man im 100 % with u . i myself as a striker know many stories of karatekas that have survived numerous street confrontations because of karate. these grapplers think karate is usless just because their art claims to be the best on the street and a couple of videos showing traditional martial artists losing to bjj... any art is better than no art in a real life situation.

[RobbieH02879]

@Baterine Watch the early UFC's..EVEN world champ Strikers started grappling... Grappling is NATURAL, even boxers start grappling in the clinch... And YES, the guy in the Video IS a TKD Black Belt..and this went down just like all the other PURE strikers vs pure Jiu Jitsu guys has over the years..just watch the old Gracie in Action videos during the "Gracie Challenge" days...

[poohpoohcaca]

@Baterine Bruce Lee for your information did start grappling before he died, it was a combination of juijitsu, Chi na Chinese small joint maniputations, wrestling, and he crossed trained with "Judo Gene Labell". I agree it is the stylist not the style, however certain styles work better than others. For instance, Boxing and Thai Boxing are the best styles for standup fighting. Dont believe me spar with a Boxer or a Thai fighter, and youll change ur mind.

[rangermed612]

@Baterine I have to agree somewhat here because I trained for 6 years in TKD and I would have at least struck 4 or 5 times! Why didn't this guy even ATTEMPT to kick? Now, I did BJJ combatives in the military, so I know the total worth of BJJ. I'm not knocking either style, but I don' think that TKD guy was ready to fight or he could have done better

[sk8pirata]

I love gracie jiu jitsu, but TKD, let's say tht TKD is the worst martial arts for self defense, but atleast you will still be better than other punks if you practice it lol

[RobbieH02879]

I agree.. but I can also say I have seen some Karate and TKD teach BAD habits to students, one guy I used to bounce with was a TKD BB..he got overwhelmed by a bigger drunk one night, he was so used to tip tap fighting his strikes didn't do anything to the drunk... He wasn;t used to REALISTIC alive training against someone REALLY raging and trying to hurt him. This is why I believe Boxing, kickboxing, and especially grappling prepares you better.. you are USED to guys trying going CRAZY on you...

[sk8pirata]

yeah true, thats why I love Gracie Jiu jitsu, prepares you for anything

[deanskis]

@RobbieH02879 oh yeah. I do BJJ four times a week at charles gracie academy, along with judo 2x a week and boxing once or twice a week

[Timpham51]

gay takedown

[nellistthetank]

A Striker who can stick and move, land power shots whenever the grappler gets near has a good chance of winning. Bjj as effective as it is against single opponents is usless against multiple which in the 21st century is useless.... the irony of my little speech being i practice Jujitsu lol. Jujitsu againt single opponents ...it rapes XD but in a street fight situation Striking styles are vital. so i dont beielve BJJ is the best...tell that to tommy cathures..Jeet kun do... guys a spitfire :P

[Zatoichi291]

i love it when the gracie's drink the punch because some shitty martial artist gets beat a "good" practitioner of ANYTHING woulden't be taken down with that spear lol

[ikterion]

dominace my ass, you have seen bjj fighters wining crap ufc and those nonsense fights on tv, i know a lot of bjj practitioners getin kicked right in their pride by almost any one who knows the mechanics of the style, actually theres no much science about it, muay thai fighters, most of the times, win the fights against bjj, why? because they don't play his damn game and they focus on the main thing, hiting gracies families ass til get bored! what kind of moron runs straight in to a knee?

[RobbieH02879]

lmfao @ this nonsense....

[kivel101]

im a blue belt in gracie jiu jitsu and i am a cage fighter. This is my go to fight technique in the cage and on the streets...

[yeee941]

He got the takedown on one,and he could have escaped like THAT,But they stopped the fight. So Please dont be so ignorant.

[RobbieH02879]

@yeee941 And with the popularity of the current UFC More and more people are aware of how powerful ground fighting and grappling IS..just watch youtube "street fights"...even kids are usuing takedowns and "grappling" they've "learned" from watching fights. I bounced for years in bars, it used to be guys would sloppily try and slug it out and THEN resort to grappling... NOW they go for clinch/takedown immediately thanks to the UFC... Grappling is a necessity now thanks to Mainstream MMA...

[yeee941]

Robbie I have one problem with your Descr. The whole Best style for One on One fighting. That is a really ignorant statment, No style will help you ANY more than another when it comes to 2+ People. I saw on Human weapon they tested this idea,with all the counter kicks and ounches coming at you,the guy fell over and over again because they put so much strike pressure on him,he didnt stay balanced. As for when they let the Grappler use his Grappling,He took one down reguardless of the strikes,and

[RobbieH02879]

@yeee941 I have trained in MANY styles over the last 17 years, and have Black Belts in Hapkido and Goju Karate..as well as kickboxed competitively in the mid -late 90's... From all that experience I have concluded Grappling is the superior art for one on one combat... Grappling is natural...that's why it was so superior in Vale Tudo

If you can't beat 1 grappler...a Karate man isn't gonna beat two..

[idl4587]

I train Gracie Jiu-jitsu :)