let these people think what ever they like....alexander..the GREATER macedonian of all times claimed him self to be greek....they dont speek greek.....macedonians do...they dont have greek names...antic peric....and they dont look like greeks...and dont let the drug you into the story that macedonians were in war with greek cities because whole greece was divided that time...or maybe sparta and athens are macedonia too..
Kiro Gligorov:'We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD) we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.A man who had several assassination attempts made against him to keep him silent by Skopian extremists, died in age 94,a sad day for a man that knew the truth, sadly the Fyromians keep getting fed propoganda by Gruevski..from scandinavia!
macedonian dnk-85% old mediteran peoples and 15% slavs (greece dnk-60% subsahar africa. 20% mongolo turks and 20% slavs) this is the true who are macedonians!!! greek peoples are mix of africans mongols arabs greek peoples are gipsys
Actually, the very first time that the modern Greeks have seen the Macedonian sun (Vergina sun) was only in 1978.
Should point out that the original name of Vergina where the discovery was made in 1978, was Kutlesh. This original Macedonian name was replaced by the Greek name Vergina, after Greece swallowed 51% of the territory of Macedonia, including Kutlesh, with the partition of 1913.
Actually, the very first time that the modern Greeks have seen the Macedonian sun (Vergina sun) was only in 1978.
Should point out that the original name of Vergina where the discovery was made in 1978, was Kutlesh. This original Macedonian name was replaced by the Greek name Vergina, after Greece swallowed 51% of the territory of Macedonia, including Kutlesh, with the partition of 1913.
The star of vergina is not a greek symbol???are you guys serious????then why is it world known that it represents the elements and the pantheon????FYROMIAN SUCKER I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHOW ME WHERE ELSE THE VERGINA STAR IS USED CAUSE I HAVE SEARCHED EVERY WEBSHITE (NON GREEK) ABOUT THE STAR AND NONE TOLD ANYTHING ABOUT ASIA
The royal tomb excavated in 1977 in Aegean Macedonia near Salonica, was at first believed to be the one of Philip II.However,it was later proven that the tomb dates from around 317 BC,suggesting that it belonged to king Philip III ARRHIDAEUS, the son of Philip II and half-brother of Alexander the Great. (Science 2000 April 21; 288:511-514) BUT..before 1977 Greeks didn't know what the star-burst looked like.... until Manolis Andronikos discovered it
The Vergina sun was used in ancient Greece and get your facts right it was present long before and after the ascension of the Greek kingdom of Macedon where ? ? in ancient GREECE - thank you ( oh and yes red is not a very nice colour personally reminds me of blood :) )
whatever you try to prove .. if there are similarities or not between the British East India Company Flag and the Greek flag, Greek flag has a meaning the nine stripes represent the nine syllables of the phrase "Ελευθερία ή Θάνατος" which means "Freedom or Death". The five blue stripes for the word "Freedom" and the four white stripes "or Death". What does your flag mean ?
@theMac3donian See the flag of Nikiforos Fokas (963-969 AD,blue background,white cross and XP symbol from the name ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ Christ)and some old Greek flags.We have many different Greek frags except the flag with 9lines.The truth never hide!
See the flag of Nikiforos Fokas (963-969 AD,blue background,white cross and XP symbol from the name ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ Christ)and some old Greek flags.We have many different Greek frags except the flag with 9lines.The truth never hide!
How Can you explain me that Macedonia is greek teritory ?!? As i know MACEDONIA was devided in 1913 in Buchurest .. The Ancient Greece top northern border was thesally ...So How do you think that Macedonia teritory was yours all the time ?
@Risteeeee Simple answer,the region of ancient Macedonia has always been Greek ethnographic territory, that is, land always inhabited by Greeks. The ancient Macedonian people of Alexander the Great were an ethnic Greek tribe or people. Macedonia was a Hellenic Greek Kingdom. They had Greek place names, spoke Greek, worshipped Greek gods, had Greek names of the months, and had Greek personal names. People of FYROM are Bulgaro-Serbs and have NO CONNECTION with anc. Macedonia.
Occupied is your mothers hole (by us of course).You can ask your psycopath primemnister about his grand-father.No matter what he does and says , greek blood runs into his vains .Τhe only solution for him is to make to himself sepucu (or harakiri).Kisses of hate
With the occupation of southern Macedonia by Greece in 1912-13. Greece needs its occupied Macedonian territory and created new propaganda to claim the ancient Macedonians as “Greek” Such propaganda is needed to justify the present occupation. This stealing of the Macedonian history by the Greeks is resented by the Macedonians who have long before the Greeks claimed descent from Alexander, and still do.This fact certainly does not give them the "copyright" of the name MACEDONIA.
fact is you have changed your flag which was the most rational thing a fyromian polititian has ever made. the vergina star is an ethnic symbol for greece or if you like the hellenic republic. tha larnax with this sign is a national heritage, you are allways wellcome to have a look on it inside the archeological museum of thessaloniki. sorry guys, you should find another fairytale to tell to yourselfs, macedonian heritage is 100% greek.
Alexander the Great was born in Pella (Greek: Πέλλα) in 21 July 356BC, an ancient Greek city located in Pella Prefecture of Macedonia in Greece, was the capital of the ancient kingdom of Macedonia. Alexander the Great was speaking ancient Greek. Prove me wrong FYROMalakes
pella was Macedonian city... in 1913 Greece has taken a big part of Macedonia..
(Greece won Northern Epirus , the Aegean part of Macedonia , [ Halkidichkiot Peninsula in Thessaloniki , part of Western Thrace and numerous islands in the Aegean Sea . This increased to 51.300 km 2 and 1,624,000 inhabitants.) this part is from wikipedia man ;)
@tonischnapps I know my history man. So did Kiro Gligorov and Ljubčo Georgievski. Your ex prime ministers both said that Macedonia is Greek, Alexander the Great was Greek, he was speaking ancient Greek, he was born in Greece, that you are all slavs with a Bulgarian identity. Need more to say? So if you guys say that Macedonia is what? Skopje? This means that Skopje is Greece. By the way North Epirus now belongs to Albania, your enemy! Everyone in the Balkans know that Macedonia=GR
The Greeks likewise assembled their largest army since the Persian invasion to face the Macedonian invasion. At Chaeronea in central Greece where the two armies met, the whole of Greece put 35,000 infantry and 2,000 cavalry on the field, while the Macedonians had 30,000 infantry and 2,000 cavalry. Although outnumbered, with suburb tactics and well coordination of the phalanx with the cavalry, the Macedonian ‘barbarian’ defeated the united Greek army.
Among the Greeks, the Athenians, Thebans, and the Achaeans suffered the biggest losses. The ancient Roman and Greek historians, consider the battle of Chaeronea, on August 2nd, 338 BC as an end to Greek liberty and history. Greece will not regain its freedom from foreign occupation until early 19th century AD.
Well,macedonia is a part of Greece (all are parts,peloponissos,makedonia,ipiros and more) and the name Macedonia is Greek.I don't know why,but all Skopians (formerly F.Y.R.O.M.) teach to their kids that Alexander the Great is their and other bullsh!t i don't know what they want...........if they are MACEDONIANS THEN HOW THE HECK DON'T THEY SPEAK GREEK?yugoslavian m0therf^ckers!
@ theMac3donian Τhe color of blue and white symbolize the blue of the Greek sea and the white foam of waves of Greek and blue sky with white clouds.Also symbolize the Shield of Achilles, the peplos of Athena Panathenaea, flags of the army of Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, the imperial flag of the Palaiologos was all white and blue.Symbolize and other think words such as ''το ομόγλωσσον'',''το ομόθρησκον'',''το ομότροπον'',το όμαιμo'' but I can't translate in English,sorry!
@ theMac3donian Also Greek flag symbolize 9 muses goddesses :Calliope(epic poetry),Clio(history),Erato(love poetry),Euterpe(music),Melpomene(Tragedy),Polyhymnia(sacred poetry,geometry,mimetic and agriculture),Terpsichore(dance),Thalia(comedy and poetry)and Urania(astrology).
@ theMac3donian From 1822-1978 Greece had the official flag had only a white cross on a blue background, the flag of the lines until then had only the Navy. This we have now has 9 horizontal lines represent the number of letters of the word Ε-Λ-Ε-Υ-Θ-Ε-Ρ-Ι-Α means freedom or Ε-ΛΕΥ-ΘΕ-ΡΙ-Α-Ή-ΘΑ-ΝΑ-ΤΟΣ means freedom or death.
@ theMac3donian The typical Sun of Vergina is a 16-pointed Sun. It can also be found in other styles: 12-pointed or 8-pointed.What was the meaning of this symbol?In the typical 16-pointed Sun,the4 rays represent the 4 elements: Earth-Ocean-Fire-Air.The other 12 rays represent the 12 Gods of Olympus.In every form, the Sun of Vergina symbolized Virginity: Goddess Athena was a Virgin, so this Sun was associated with her.We can also find this symbol associated with Apollo...
Well, Well my dear poor greek friends, how are you to day?
I am fine. Thanks for asking. What ever you said about us macedonians, we are here and wi wil be macedonians forever!
By the way, more than 135 countries all over the world named us Republick of Macedonia...
I am truly sorry about you, learning brainwashing history at greek schools about glorious hellenic rase... Just like Hitler... and all of us know what is hapend...
@GRJOHNBLACKOPS ahahahhaahahah air force and greece ahahahahahahah
you are so fucking poor you are sucking dicks for money greece is all ready dead ahha watch the news your state is a faulior and 150.000 soldiers....yeah you had 150.000 soldiers now you have shit....
gypsy greek boy ,,,, SLAVs means Orthadox in amongst all Slavonic languages except for greece is this hard for you to understand ... WHNE YOU OR ANYONE SAYS SLAVs THEY ARE SAYING ORTHADOX !!! WAKE UP !!
These Slavs from Skopje are retarded. They will never be Macedonian. Central Macedonia is within Greece. Yes the star of Vergina is Greek Macedonian. The 16 points stand for the 12 Greek gods and earth wind fire water.
Something these slavobastard retarded spermchildren of Tito the great loser will never understand.
Skopjens can't even prove their link to the ancient Macedonian who were Hellene.
Notice how all the flags this 'expert' refers to are not neighbours of each other. EU and the US are thousands of KMs apart. You're talking about an issue that is on Greece's border. There is no comparison, you shallow, narrow-minded propagandist. Your flag argument makes no sense at all. - nor does your made up, schizophrenic modern state that appropriates the history of another nation.
Macedonia (Makedonija) always HAS and WILL be MACEDONIA (MAKEDONIJA), you greek stupid gypsies!!! You are worst than any nations in the world, thats why nobody likes you, you low intelligent beings!!! MACEDONIA will never change the name, you can only dream about it!! When you will change the name in SOLUN and when all of you go and drown in the sea, than even then MAYBE we can think about it!!! Until then, go and take you medicine, you fat filthy bags full of shit!!!
@Georgandas That makes you iliterate. The English East India Company was formed in the 17th century. In 1600 has become protected by the Royal House and later after the "Treaty of Union" has become "British East India Company. Stupid Gayreek.
@nitroflesh you stupid scopian.. deep inside you, you know that you say bullshit .... Μακεδονας=tall man in my language... macedonia has a meaning in my language and there are ancient texts that say Alexander was the king of Greece... 10k soldiers fought by Alexander against Persians in Persia.....
also our flag has 9 lines and means death or life in our language... the english has 14 rows ... go check it alone
Oh really? But you forget that without Tito you wouldn't believe that you are Macedonians. Most of you are born from Slavic parents and come from Bulgaria.
And because of this sucker you lost your nationality.
We better stop this fight.
You should claim your origins and we should face the financial crisis.
THIS IS A PEACEFULLY COMMENT IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO INSULT ME BY ANWSERING THEN YOU WASTE YOUR TIME. I'M NOT GONNA ANWSER.
the greek flag is bavarian. some stupid king otto designers could'n think of nothing better. it's as same as the danish cross. македонија на македонците!!!
macedonia vs greece?? so.. fake nation vs the great nation of the ancient greeks?? thats what you mean? well.. if i were you.. i would wake up.. and realise that im living a dream.. macedonia was from the ancient years greek.. even the ancient macedonians said by themselves that they are greeks..soo what are you talking about now?? didnt they know what they were?? and something more... you fucking slavics of 14.000 army cant do anything against our army..haha 14.000..can be beaten in 2 hours
@Tolisakis97 HEHE well maybe we have just 14 000 people in the army but what do you want to do if you attacks us whole ex-Jugoslavia will attacks you and you greeks you re like little babies just cry " ehhhh macedonia is our country ehhh ehhhh ehhh" shut up History is History Motherfucker welcome in the reality even Macedonia has a better economy as you greeks hahahahahahahaha
@TheVayver ex jugoslavia?? haha well at first why should they?? secondly.. dont forget our allies! bulgaria,israel,russia,serbia^^ and of course dont forget that we are GREEKS.. we havent fallen and we are not going to^^.. we always fought like heroes..oh sry..my false.. heroes fought like us history is history,i agree dont fake it you shitty nation havent any arguments lastly i talked to a BRAINWASHED fyromian whow as 37 years old and the only argument i hear was.. WE ARE PURE MACEDONIANS
Why bother with MORONIC DOLTS.....Let them make FOOLS of themselves as they ALWAYS do.As for you theMac3donian, you can now put your hand back where it was earlier and continue doing what you do best!!!! IDIOT
@milerules if you knew a lit story you would see that the greeks was in macedonia before slavic tribes install there and do not believe that the media saying to you.
@JollyWog14 MORON!!!May i suggest you put your hand back where it was before you uploaded this stupid comment and continue doing what you do best? And take the word Jolly out of your name idiot,maybe that will describe you better!!!!
@JollyWog14 WOG.......no such word as povery,IDIOT......and poofta (?) is spelt with an er MORON.......NO, i will NOT shut up on the demand of a pseudomacedonian pig who does not wear shoes because he has no idea on how to put them on!!!!!!Like i said.....put your hand back where it was before and continue doing it and may be with a little luck you will die from it.That will be one less pseudomacedonian on this earth!!! Don't worry about Greece dickhead it has overcome worse times than these.
@helios180746 Well i was planning on correcting it but i thought u'd be smart enough to figure out what I was supposed to write. It's called a typo fuck head. Look....I know it's hard work but just because you have to shave your mothers back twice a week doesn't mean you have to take it out on everyone. Okay fag?
maybe you should get his cock out of your ass and i might give you an extra Euro for not moaning whilst polishing my shoes.
@JollyWog14 Hey WOG!!!! Why don't you just admit that you are a pseudomacedonic stupid moron who not only is utterly and completely illiterate but the type of person who will use filthy language in a conversation because he knows no different. You obviously do not know who you are talking to little boy otherwise you would not dare talk to me like that in person. Just to give you some idea, you little prick,you are offering me the wrong currency.......so DO NOT PUSH YOUR F'N LUCK
@JollyWog14 Hey WOG.......correcting it? if you knew how to spell it you would have spelled it right the first time. No such word as a "typo", DICKHEAD.......It is a typographical error. A Greek word of MANY in the English language and most other civilised world languages, without which you would not be able to communicate in an intelligent way. Fag?? That is slang for a cigarette where i come from. Please do not offer me Euros SEWER MOUTH....they are not good to me where i am......
@JollyWog14 Can you please go back to school and learn the English language so that people can understand your stupid pseudomacedonian comments? You are only making a bloody fool of yourself like the rest of your pseudomacedonian mates. And by the way.....do not forget to put your hand back where it was. IDIOT!!!
@helios180746 blah blah blah. Don't get angry mate, if you be polite i may throw in a free razor (Gillete Mach 4), It's the top of the line balde. Your mother and your grandmother will be very greatful.
@JollyWog14 Nothing intelligent to say,hey anthropoid? It is so obvious that you are a stupid dolt who is not of the same level as me, otherwise you would not be taking it out on decent people who have been dead for longer than you have been on this earth. Show what you have posted about my parents to yours,coward, so that they can be proud of you. And you and your kind are trying to convince the world that you are descendants of Alexander....you are a laugh!!! Go jump off the Harbour Bridge!!
@JollyWog14 "balde".....what the hell is that....IDIOT ? "Greatful"???????? spelled GRATEFUL.......MORONIC DOLT!!!! You really are a "WOG". Wog was a descriptive name given by the British soldiers to certain people in the Middle East, meaning germ/microbe......how appropriate for you!!! Don't forget to put your hand back where it was before, and continue doing the only thing you are good at!!!
@helios180746 Listen here poofta, an intelligent person does not need to prove shit. An intelligent person would not bother arguing with an anthropoid. So go suck a dick or do as the Greeks do and guide your anal passage on a big fat cock. You must have alot of time on your hands faggot. Leave me alone now cock sucker and let me toss off in peace. oxoxox
@JollyWog14 Resorting to filthy language again; SEWER MOUTH? An uneducated person like you can be forgiven!!!! GO TO HELL MORON!!!!! YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME!!!!
@JollyWog14 Anthropoid???? You don't know the meaning of the word mate!!!! You know why? Because ONLY educated people can use GREEK words;words of an intelligent language.Do not come back telling me you know its meaning after you looked it up.And something else....STOP using MY words in your responses YOU ABSOLUTE POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING!!!!
@helios180746 Fuck yourself mate!!! lol you make me laugh. typicall faggot like my little brother. Learn a couple of big words and you think you know everything about life. then someone comes at you with a baseball bat and you suddenly seem to forget how smart your are and start begging them not to hurt you.lol
@JollyWog14 Is your little brother a faggot....you pseudomacedonian IDIOT....shame on your pseudomacedonian family, you uneducated poor excuse for a human being degenerate. I know lots and lots of big words because my GREEK education taught them to me. That is a lot more than i can say about your ability to learn anything from your SERBO/CROATIAN language.Baseball bat???? Now tou are really laughable.Without giving too much away about me, i will tell you this.."Those who dared attack me CONT...
@JollyWog14 with any kind of weapon, (mostly cowards such as yourself) committed a serious offence against the State i live in and some are still enjoying time out at the expense of our taxpayers and it sounds like you belong there....see how manly you are with REAL criminals. Don't expand your chest at anyone because someone will deflate it. Now, little boy, i will tell you one more time "Put your hand back where it was before you posted and continue masturbating. LIZARD!! can't get any lower
@JollyWog14 Hey WOG!!!!! Stop making a fool of yourself.....you and your pseudomacedonian mates are the laughing stock of the universe.....do not make it any worse.Your kind of language is indicative of your inability to express yourself....YOU WILL NEVER, EVER BE GREEK MACEDONIANS...JUST THE PEASANT PSEUDOMACEDONIANS THAT YOU ARE. Go to your nearest snake pit and curl up with the rest of your relatives....you will feel at home thare!!!
in 1912 the greeks,serbians,bulgarians trick macedonia and split them up on 3 parts and macedonia become small and then in 1913 there was a war between serbia,greeks vs bulgaria about the rest of macedonia and macedonia was split between greece and serbia but after the first world and second world war macedonia was brought again as it was in 1912 but is should have been brought like it was before 1912 it was a big Macedonia Grece was small it only had islands and it didn't had any sea
I am so disgusted by you greeks taking money from other places because of a small crisis when countries like Bangladesh are still suffering with no food and water you are truly the most selfish, self absorbed country in the world you steal and claim everything as your own get over yourselves news flash YOUR NOT ThAT SPECIAL! Get over you stupid pride and let other country live how they want. IN PEACE! You made people change the flag! you sued Macedonians even though as told in the video you do
HAHAHAHHAH AND THEN SPIDERMAN CAME AND WOKE U UP....AND TOLD U AN OTHER FAIRYTALE THAT UR FLAG TODAY LOOKS LIKE THAT OF MANCHURIA AND THAT UR CHINESE...HAHAH
WASHINGTON—A group of leading historians held a press conference Monday at the National Geographic Society to announce they had "entirely fabricated" ancient Greece, a culture long thought to be the intellectual basis of Western civilization.... just wrote on google Historians Admit To Inventing Ancient Greeks
Too different to compare! We don't hate red, but blue is the colour of our sea and the sky. Many islands have houses painted in white and blue. The flag that is shown on this video is too different from ours. Just count the rows. Not in the video, because the creator has cut some of them in order to make a propaganda. You foolish people borrow everything, greek history, greek symbols, everything.
fyrom historians vs greek historians... i bet all my money...my house,my car,my motorbike,my girlfriend,my friends and my family for the winning of greekhistorians. oh my god!this is the most stupid video i have seen in my whole life!you have no idea what the greek flag and the vergina star represents!idiots!
When Greece proves the fake Macedons wrong, they spit out lies about the Greeks claiming Macedonia is not Greece. What is this fuss all about?Do you so called "macedonians" have anything else better to do except continuing to cry over the internet? and thus lets not forget in the 5th-6th century Macedonia gave up and followed the Greek cultures,names, etc. Theirs not much to be said about the Greekness of Macedonia...
Macedonia is multiethnic country like other European countries and here live Macedonians, Albanians, Serbs, Turks and others. They have all rights here in Macedonia ! But in Greece "the cradle of democracy" rights have only Greeks ! In 1946 - 1949 you made the genocide
Аnd expel over 300 000 Macedonians (they now are in USA, Canada, Australia) from Aegean Macedonia. ALL WORLD KNOW YOU ARE NATIONALIST !
think. greece fought macedonia not because only their flag was similar to greek to their but because the fuckin macedonians are thinking falsly that they are from greece to ELLAS THA ZHSEIS, TA SKOPIA NA GAMISEIS (greece you will live to fuck macedonia)
Vardarskan to Yugoslavia to Macedonia. Hahahahaha. Why would a country change names so many times? Is it because they are confused. Or just uneducated or even brain washed.
Attention Fyromians: Most countries recognize you as "Republic of Macedonia" and recognize your nation's right to name themselves what ever they want. Those same countries wouldn't care if you wanted to name yourselves the Republic of Willy Wonka. But none of those countries believe that you have the right to hijack ancient historical figures from Greece and modern historical figures from Bulgaria just so you can create a culture.
its 1 thing to have strong similarities in flags and another thing to occupy greek territory using the greek name of area and taking symbols which are of ancient greek heratige & claiming it your own, you bulgo/albo/slavo whateva u claim dat alexander was monkedonski, you believe ur own bullshit,you dont even know what you are so you make it up, i feel pity for U,a nation of orphan bastards, what a shame your NOT greek, just go back to bulgaria,albania , wherever the FUCK YOU CAME FROM, GYPSIES
The fact is that you assholes purposely chose this flag..That is the reason. YOU HAVE NO COUNTRY...U ARE NOTHING BUT FUCKING SLAVSSSSS....FROM BULGARIA....
Apparently, the spirits of Tito and Milosevic are still hovering in this country and their political followers use the corrupt judiciary to get rid of uncomfortable opponents.
Completely ignoring the Copenhagen criteria, people schooled Milosevic-style are blocking the European future of the Western Balkans and working for their reintegration into a new, anti-European Yugo-Empire. However, times are different now and those nostalgic dreams cannot be realized.
Yes, Greeks hate red on flags. In modern times it represents communism. Greece was never communist. Remember, cowards? You tried to help communists in the Greek Civil War. You are lucky you still exist!
You love red and yellow because you are red commies and yellow cowards.
Original? Go to Mycenae and see the symbol of Hellenes that was used at least hundreds of years before Macedon existed.
You want the symbol of Helios? It means you are Greeks!
1. The Sun symbol was not first used by Argeads (kings of Macedon that came from Argos). It was used LONG before Macedon existed.
2. Nobody forced you to do anything. Greeks claimed their Hellenic symbol for Helios, with copyright. You adopted the flag of Japanese Navy (WW2) on your own. Apparently you like to steal flags (like the lion from Bulgarians)
3. You show 8 flags with suns... take a picture of the sun and put it on your flag, don't use the Greek symbol for Helios (Greek God).
Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
FYROMians were nothing but nomads, a nation on the march. They were constantly conquered by one group or another. So of course they believe glory is associated with conquerors, (i.e. Alexander the Great), and not in our contribution to civilization. (i.e. Greece)
@WoWhelperful Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
@WoWhelperful 'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.'(FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov in interview to Ottawa Citizen Newspaper 24 February 1999)
@WoWhelperful "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President to Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992)
@WoWhelperful "We are not stating by accident that Josip Broz Tito is Jesus Christ for Macedonia, a father and a mother for Macedonia. Because we have, in that time, after NOB, for the first time created a Macedonian alphabet, a Macedonian television, a Macedonian state, a language, a passport, an identity card, a university for the first time, a Macedonian academy for the first time. (continued)
@WoWhelperful "The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument (Ljubco Georgievski, former Prime Minister of the former Yugoslavia FOCUS news, 31 March 2008)
@WoWhelperful I'm just pointing out some quotes from your own elected officials. It's not an attack, just letting you see what was said before all this nationalistic hysteria. And all because of some political aspirations.
Wow, you're really reaching with this one. On the Greek flag the cross symbolizes Greek Orthodoxy, the established religion of the people of Greece and Greek Cypriots. The nine stripes represent the nine syllables of the phrase "Ελευθερία ή Θάνατος" ("Freedom or Death"), and the blue & white represents the sky & waves. The India Trading company's flag has a more English influence. So now explain Macedonia's flag to me. What does the sun represent? How about the 8 rays? What about the colors?
@trisnna9801 You want it explained? Im 16 years old and i'll explain it for you, your stupid greek. The red color is for the blood that has been spilled and will be spilled for the kingdom of macedonia, but most of all its picturing a sunset in Macedonia, with a red sky and yellow sun. The yellow sun is the sun of vergina (Cонцe од Вергина).
Now it's my turn to ask you a question and for you to answer it. Why are you using our symbol and why are you putting blue insted of red?
@makedonec94 16 my ass. First you lie about your history, now you lie about your age. You're a 30 year old. You probably have the educational level of a 16 your old, but that's about it. Furthermore, your flag is red because of your communist past. When Yugoslavia was one country, it had 6 republics. Fyrom was called "Socialist Republic of Macedonia", and your flag was red with a yellow 5-point star in the upper left corner. You hijacked the sun of vergina in 1991 to build an identity.
@makedonec94 Your description of your flag is very remedial. Such manufactured bullshit about the color red meaning blood that was spilled or some crap about spilling blood...that was funny. But I do think it's fitting that you said that the sun is a sunset and not a sunrise. If I were you, I would've called it a sunrise. But I guess even you realize that someday the sun will set on your country and their silly Macedonian claims.
Your current greek genes are Ethiopian (IGEA research) and you have nothing to do with the ancient Greeks.
Greeks living in greece today are ugly stupid and lazy. Your economy is danger for all of Europe, you live like parasites on the working hands of Germany, France and the Scandinavian countries. So go in Africa and make giro ouzo and find your cousins.
@zankozajkov You need to believe those things, because the truth is too much for your little mind to handle. You were born a Yugoslavian from Yugoslavian parents. Or did you burn your birth certificate from 1982, just like your burning your Slavic ancestry now? When you were young, you cheered Yugoslavia's victory in 1990 as they became basketball's world champs. Now (thanks to brainwashing) "Yugoslavia" is a curse word to you. You went from a proud people, to a bunch of self-denying fools.
@makedonec94 The son of Vergina your symbol? Oh my God! It's an ancient Macedonian symbol... Macedonia is greek! The symbol is ours and the treasure of Vergina is in Greece! You have no idea of history. You will never get what you want! You will always fight the Greek people.
let these people think what ever they like....alexander..the GREATER macedonian of all times claimed him self to be greek....they dont speek greek.....macedonians do...they dont have greek names...antic peric....and they dont look like greeks...and dont let the drug you into the story that macedonians were in war with greek cities because whole greece was divided that time...or maybe sparta and athens are macedonia too..
GET SERIOUS>>
Pap3n 3 days ago
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Kiro Gligorov:'We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD) we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.A man who had several assassination attempts made against him to keep him silent by Skopian extremists, died in age 94,a sad day for a man that knew the truth, sadly the Fyromians keep getting fed propoganda by Gruevski..from scandinavia!
europetravel22 5 days ago
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europetravel22 5 days ago
macedonian dnk-85% old mediteran peoples and 15% slavs (greece dnk-60% subsahar africa. 20% mongolo turks and 20% slavs) this is the true who are macedonians!!! greek peoples are mix of africans mongols arabs greek peoples are gipsys
diadohmakedon 1 week ago
Do you Monkeydonians know what religion Alexander the Great believed in?
Do you have a clue what do the rays of Vergina's sun represent? Currently your copy-flag..
If anyone can answer me, please do so..
But I bet NO SLAV knows..
Only the Greeks do..
Macedonians are descendants from the Ionian tribe. So they are Greeks.
ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ=ΕΛΛΑΣ
KPAracing 1 week ago
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What are the earliest coins with the words: Ellada,Hellas or Greek???
How can Macedonia be Greek if it has not given the Greek state at the time of Alexander the Great?
Stop steeling the Makedonian History MAKEDONIA never greek
Greeks can never be MAKEDONIANS whatever they do !!!!
Viva la Makedonia 4 all Makedonians but never 4 fascist Greeks
Devoj4E 2 weeks ago
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Actually, the very first time that the modern Greeks have seen the Macedonian sun (Vergina sun) was only in 1978.
Should point out that the original name of Vergina where the discovery was made in 1978, was Kutlesh. This original Macedonian name was replaced by the Greek name Vergina, after Greece swallowed 51% of the territory of Macedonia, including Kutlesh, with the partition of 1913.
MKISMK1913 2 weeks ago
Actually, the very first time that the modern Greeks have seen the Macedonian sun (Vergina sun) was only in 1978.
Should point out that the original name of Vergina where the discovery was made in 1978, was Kutlesh. This original Macedonian name was replaced by the Greek name Vergina, after Greece swallowed 51% of the territory of Macedonia, including Kutlesh, with the partition of 1913.
MKISMK1913 2 weeks ago
The star of vergina is not a greek symbol???are you guys serious????then why is it world known that it represents the elements and the pantheon????FYROMIAN SUCKER I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHOW ME WHERE ELSE THE VERGINA STAR IS USED CAUSE I HAVE SEARCHED EVERY WEBSHITE (NON GREEK) ABOUT THE STAR AND NONE TOLD ANYTHING ABOUT ASIA
asfaehey 2 weeks ago
Why did the chose white'n blue? Take this in consideration flagspot . net/images/d/de-by2b.gif
It's the Bavarian flag. The first king of Greece: Otto von Bavaria. Enough said.
1MAKEDONEC1 3 weeks ago
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READ about "Aristotle"
TYPE "livius.org/gi-gr/greeks/philosophers.html"
mkzamk1913 3 weeks ago
Macedonia1ful 1 month ago
The Vergina sun was used in ancient Greece and get your facts right it was present long before and after the ascension of the Greek kingdom of Macedon where ? ? in ancient GREECE - thank you ( oh and yes red is not a very nice colour personally reminds me of blood :) )
lanlooon 1 month ago
whatever you try to prove .. if there are similarities or not between the British East India Company Flag and the Greek flag, Greek flag has a meaning the nine stripes represent the nine syllables of the phrase "Ελευθερία ή Θάνατος" which means "Freedom or Death". The five blue stripes for the word "Freedom" and the four white stripes "or Death". What does your flag mean ?
lanlooon 1 month ago
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@theMac3donian See the flag of Nikiforos Fokas (963-969 AD,blue background,white cross and XP symbol from the name ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ Christ)and some old Greek flags.We have many different Greek frags except the flag with 9lines.The truth never hide!
panosunde 1 month ago
See the flag of Nikiforos Fokas (963-969 AD,blue background,white cross and XP symbol from the name ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ Christ)and some old Greek flags.We have many different Greek frags except the flag with 9lines.The truth never hide!
panosunde 1 month ago
Cmon, you can even draw a descent flag and you want to teach the world ???? Nhiaaaa !!!
smsart01 1 month ago
How Can you explain me that Macedonia is greek teritory ?!? As i know MACEDONIA was devided in 1913 in Buchurest .. The Ancient Greece top northern border was thesally ...So How do you think that Macedonia teritory was yours all the time ?
Risteeeee 1 month ago
HaggisMacfee 1 month ago
Macedonia is Greek..Your country is named Monkeydonia!Live with it.
LordSh4x 1 month ago
Occupied is your mothers hole (by us of course).You can ask your psycopath primemnister about his grand-father.No matter what he does and says , greek blood runs into his vains .Τhe only solution for him is to make to himself sepucu (or harakiri).Kisses of hate
alexdandroshers 1 month ago
MONKEYDONIA SKOPIA THE SAME THINK
DIMITRIOS2121 1 month ago 3
the intelligence has limits,the ignorance and stupidity non!!!!!!!!!!!!
jorgokonda 1 month ago
Macedonia1ful 1 month ago
EAGEAN MACEDONIA(51%)was taken
in 1912-1913 and was PARTITION
-ED to Greece.
SUN of VERGINA = MACEDONIAN
EAST INDIAN COMPANY(BRIT.1685)
=GREEK flag
Macedonia1ful 1 month ago
THEY DON'T HAVE THE BRAINS TO HAVE THEIR OWN FLAG
THE BRITS GAVE THEM THE FLAG THEY HAVE NOW ..........
BUT....IT'S THE WRONG COLOR IT SHOULD BE ....RED......
THEY HATE ..........RED...........
Macedonia1ful 1 month ago
fact is you have changed your flag which was the most rational thing a fyromian polititian has ever made. the vergina star is an ethnic symbol for greece or if you like the hellenic republic. tha larnax with this sign is a national heritage, you are allways wellcome to have a look on it inside the archeological museum of thessaloniki. sorry guys, you should find another fairytale to tell to yourselfs, macedonian heritage is 100% greek.
1969eso 1 month ago
Alexander the Great was born in Pella (Greek: Πέλλα) in 21 July 356BC, an ancient Greek city located in Pella Prefecture of Macedonia in Greece, was the capital of the ancient kingdom of Macedonia. Alexander the Great was speaking ancient Greek. Prove me wrong FYROMalakes
KPAracing 1 month ago
@KPAracing
pella was Macedonian city... in 1913 Greece has taken a big part of Macedonia..
(Greece won Northern Epirus , the Aegean part of Macedonia , [ Halkidichkiot Peninsula in Thessaloniki , part of Western Thrace and numerous islands in the Aegean Sea . This increased to 51.300 km 2 and 1,624,000 inhabitants.) this part is from wikipedia man ;)
tape in wikipedia: Bucharest Treaty, 1913
sorry man this is true...
tonischnapps 1 month ago 2
@tonischnapps I know my history man. So did Kiro Gligorov and Ljubčo Georgievski. Your ex prime ministers both said that Macedonia is Greek, Alexander the Great was Greek, he was speaking ancient Greek, he was born in Greece, that you are all slavs with a Bulgarian identity. Need more to say? So if you guys say that Macedonia is what? Skopje? This means that Skopje is Greece. By the way North Epirus now belongs to Albania, your enemy! Everyone in the Balkans know that Macedonia=GR
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tonischnapps 1 month ago
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@KPAracing
ahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha
your argument is from your grandfather?
I seeeeeeee man i seeeee ;)
no more talking... good luck
tonischnapps 1 month ago
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@tonischnapps All Macedonian surviving epigraphical evidence from grave markers to public inscriptions is in Greek.
BULGARIAN:
А Б В Г Д Е Ж З И Й К Л М Н О П Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ю Я
F.Y.R.O.M:
А Б В Г Д Ѓ Е Ж З Ѕ И Ј К Л Љ М Н Њ О П Р С Т Ќ У Ф Х Ц Ч Џ Ш
Adding 5 letters in 1944 from TITO it does NOT make it a "Macedonian" alphabet
added: ЃЅЈЉЊЌЏ
eliminated: ЙЩЪЮЯ
Ancient Greek-(Macedonian): A Β Γ Δ Ε Ϛ Ζ Η Θ Ι Κ Λ Μ Ν Ξ Ο Π Ρ Σ Τ Υ Φ Χ Ψ Ω
KPAracing 1 month ago
@tonischnapps Georgi Stardelov claimed that your language is Slavic, not "Macedonian"
watch?v=TnUxYp6eDek&feature=related
KPAracing 1 month ago
@KPAracing
The Greeks likewise assembled their largest army since the Persian invasion to face the Macedonian invasion. At Chaeronea in central Greece where the two armies met, the whole of Greece put 35,000 infantry and 2,000 cavalry on the field, while the Macedonians had 30,000 infantry and 2,000 cavalry. Although outnumbered, with suburb tactics and well coordination of the phalanx with the cavalry, the Macedonian ‘barbarian’ defeated the united Greek army.
tonischnapps 1 month ago
@KPAracing
Among the Greeks, the Athenians, Thebans, and the Achaeans suffered the biggest losses. The ancient Roman and Greek historians, consider the battle of Chaeronea, on August 2nd, 338 BC as an end to Greek liberty and history. Greece will not regain its freedom from foreign occupation until early 19th century AD.
tonischnapps 1 month ago
@tonischnapps YOU DONT KNOW HISTORY YOU FORGOT GREEK BYZANTIUM
The biggest loses?Really>>>>?? so tell me why Winston Churchill said that GREEKS FIGHT LIKE A HEROES
GRJOHNBLACKOPS 1 month ago
@KPAracing
sorry man...
tonischnapps 1 month ago
BIG LIKE !
tonischnapps 1 month ago
► 105 hate red!
Makedonid94 1 month ago
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Well,macedonia is a part of Greece (all are parts,peloponissos,makedonia,ipiros and more) and the name Macedonia is Greek.I don't know why,but all Skopians (formerly F.Y.R.O.M.) teach to their kids that Alexander the Great is their and other bullsh!t i don't know what they want...........if they are MACEDONIANS THEN HOW THE HECK DON'T THEY SPEAK GREEK?yugoslavian m0therf^ckers!
TheMiltos21 1 month ago
Concerning the flag well... the game is over and this video becomes a lie
with this one
watch?v=facW9nGkhuI&feature=related
NO MORE LIES JUST WATCH
ellinas133 2 months ago
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IF YOU BELIEVE THAT MACEDONIA AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT IS GREEK THEN PLEASE THUMB UP!!
POTIS1 2 months ago
@ theMac3donian Τhe color of blue and white symbolize the blue of the Greek sea and the white foam of waves of Greek and blue sky with white clouds.Also symbolize the Shield of Achilles, the peplos of Athena Panathenaea, flags of the army of Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, the imperial flag of the Palaiologos was all white and blue.Symbolize and other think words such as ''το ομόγλωσσον'',''το ομόθρησκον'',''το ομότροπον'',το όμαιμo'' but I can't translate in English,sorry!
panosunde 2 months ago
@ theMac3donian Also Greek flag symbolize 9 muses goddesses :Calliope(epic poetry),Clio(history),Erato(love poetry),Euterpe(music),Melpomene(Tragedy),Polyhymnia(sacred poetry,geometry,mimetic and agriculture),Terpsichore(dance),Thalia(comedy and poetry)and Urania(astrology).
panosunde 2 months ago
@ theMac3donian From 1822-1978 Greece had the official flag had only a white cross on a blue background, the flag of the lines until then had only the Navy. This we have now has 9 horizontal lines represent the number of letters of the word Ε-Λ-Ε-Υ-Θ-Ε-Ρ-Ι-Α means freedom or Ε-ΛΕΥ-ΘΕ-ΡΙ-Α-Ή-ΘΑ-ΝΑ-ΤΟΣ means freedom or death.
panosunde 2 months ago
@ theMac3donian The typical Sun of Vergina is a 16-pointed Sun. It can also be found in other styles: 12-pointed or 8-pointed.What was the meaning of this symbol?In the typical 16-pointed Sun,the4 rays represent the 4 elements: Earth-Ocean-Fire-Air.The other 12 rays represent the 12 Gods of Olympus.In every form, the Sun of Vergina symbolized Virginity: Goddess Athena was a Virgin, so this Sun was associated with her.We can also find this symbol associated with Apollo...
panosunde 2 months ago
fucking slav , the nine blue and white stripes represent the greek motto ''freedom or death''
VaSiLiSTheKiLLeR 2 months ago
Well, Well my dear poor greek friends, how are you to day?
I am fine. Thanks for asking. What ever you said about us macedonians, we are here and wi wil be macedonians forever!
By the way, more than 135 countries all over the world named us Republick of Macedonia...
I am truly sorry about you, learning brainwashing history at greek schools about glorious hellenic rase... Just like Hitler... and all of us know what is hapend...
USAandMKD 2 months ago
@USAandMKD brainwash? ur forefathers were slavs who came to the balkans at the 6th century AD . u r not macedonian . go and cry to ur mum
VaSiLiSTheKiLLeR 2 months ago
are you surious fyroms?
Greece have 150.000 active soldiers and you 7.500 with a war you lose in 12 hours Greek Airforce will fuck in 1 hour alla your country think....
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tonischnapps 1 month ago
@GRJOHNBLACKOPS what airforce? lmao your goverment is fail. You cant even afford to go into a war... ur allready in debt. idiiot.
MsGamingcity 1 month ago
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@MsGamingcity Think we have the best oil and if we sell it we 'iil be the richest country
We dont need much money to attack you sucker you dont have real army
And remember that your firstleader said that you 're slavs and not macedonian
GRJOHNBLACKOPS 3 weeks ago
@GRJOHNBLACKOPS ahahahhaahahah air force and greece ahahahahahahah
you are so fucking poor you are sucking dicks for money greece is all ready dead ahha watch the news your state is a faulior and 150.000 soldiers....yeah you had 150.000 soldiers now you have shit....
Diabloooo123 1 month ago
@Diabloooo123 WE HAVE OIL FUCKER
And you are tooo small country that NATO dont allow to have airforce so shut up
And remember that your firstleader said that you 're slavs and not macedonian
GRJOHNBLACKOPS 3 weeks ago
@GRJOHNBLACKOPS
gypsy greek boy ,,,, SLAVs means Orthadox in amongst all Slavonic languages except for greece is this hard for you to understand ... WHNE YOU OR ANYONE SAYS SLAVs THEY ARE SAYING ORTHADOX !!! WAKE UP !!
JANDAR69 1 week ago
Don't really get the point here.
Greece's flag may be from the English company so????
Still it wont change the Hellenes ancient Macedonians into salvic people like the modern Macedonians
Peace
ydra1821 3 months ago
Greek gods so macedonian trusted in those gods like we trust in Jesus now... if I trust in jesus am I Jew???
davorsara 3 months ago
These Slavs from Skopje are retarded. They will never be Macedonian. Central Macedonia is within Greece. Yes the star of Vergina is Greek Macedonian. The 16 points stand for the 12 Greek gods and earth wind fire water.
Something these slavobastard retarded spermchildren of Tito the great loser will never understand.
Skopjens can't even prove their link to the ancient Macedonian who were Hellene.
Say FYROM you restates.
MrNMT69 3 months ago
oh come on with this Greece and Macedonia. Can't we live in peace?
LzZzful 4 months ago
@LzZzful Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. Besides...Peace always begins with a smile :)
trisnna9801 4 months ago
Notice how all the flags this 'expert' refers to are not neighbours of each other. EU and the US are thousands of KMs apart. You're talking about an issue that is on Greece's border. There is no comparison, you shallow, narrow-minded propagandist. Your flag argument makes no sense at all. - nor does your made up, schizophrenic modern state that appropriates the history of another nation.
veluhi 4 months ago
Macedonia (Makedonija) always HAS and WILL be MACEDONIA (MAKEDONIJA), you greek stupid gypsies!!! You are worst than any nations in the world, thats why nobody likes you, you low intelligent beings!!! MACEDONIA will never change the name, you can only dream about it!! When you will change the name in SOLUN and when all of you go and drown in the sea, than even then MAYBE we can think about it!!! Until then, go and take you medicine, you fat filthy bags full of shit!!!
donpablodelavega001 4 months ago
Силно и вистинито видео!
MakedonecMacedonian 4 months ago
sick :)
darkmaster734 4 months ago
Check wikipedia... this english flag was made after 1821 which the original Hellenic flag was made....
hmmm another fyrom propaganda video
Georgandas 4 months ago
@Georgandas That makes you iliterate. The English East India Company was formed in the 17th century. In 1600 has become protected by the Royal House and later after the "Treaty of Union" has become "British East India Company. Stupid Gayreek.
nitroflesh 4 months ago
@nitroflesh you stupid scopian.. deep inside you, you know that you say bullshit .... Μακεδονας=tall man in my language... macedonia has a meaning in my language and there are ancient texts that say Alexander was the king of Greece... 10k soldiers fought by Alexander against Persians in Persia.....
also our flag has 9 lines and means death or life in our language... the english has 14 rows ... go check it alone
Georgandas 4 months ago
Oh really? But you forget that without Tito you wouldn't believe that you are Macedonians. Most of you are born from Slavic parents and come from Bulgaria.
And because of this sucker you lost your nationality.
We better stop this fight.
You should claim your origins and we should face the financial crisis.
THIS IS A PEACEFULLY COMMENT IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO INSULT ME BY ANWSERING THEN YOU WASTE YOUR TIME. I'M NOT GONNA ANWSER.
ElijahofAthens 4 months ago
the greek flag is bavarian. some stupid king otto designers could'n think of nothing better. it's as same as the danish cross. македонија на македонците!!!
eddie1kanobi 4 months ago
well bitch i´m 10 ...... and why should serbia helps you they would help us
TheVayver 4 months ago
Great video
necov77 4 months ago
Tolisakis97 5 months ago
@Tolisakis97 HEHE well maybe we have just 14 000 people in the army but what do you want to do if you attacks us whole ex-Jugoslavia will attacks you and you greeks you re like little babies just cry " ehhhh macedonia is our country ehhh ehhhh ehhh" shut up History is History Motherfucker welcome in the reality even Macedonia has a better economy as you greeks hahahahahahahaha
TheVayver 4 months ago
Tolisakis97 4 months ago
@TheVayver im just 14 years..and i seem smarter than him.. i have arguments which are some of many..
you can read my arguments.^^
and read also your ^^
be proud
you re a puree macedonian..
brainwashed nation..
i hate your government.."
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Tolisakis97 4 months ago
@theMac3donian btw you are using a japanese war flag
kaberisisidoros 5 months ago
Одлично видео!
krminela 5 months ago
Why bother with MORONIC DOLTS.....Let them make FOOLS of themselves as they ALWAYS do.As for you theMac3donian, you can now put your hand back where it was earlier and continue doing what you do best!!!! IDIOT
helios180746 5 months ago
hahahahahhahahah re paidia mhn asxoleiste me ta provatakia.
epatarid 6 months ago
Macedonia is Greek
Megaionas 6 months ago
@Megaionas Greek is nothing without macedonia cuz they occupied macedonia so yeah....
milerules 5 months ago
@milerules if you knew a lit story you would see that the greeks was in macedonia before slavic tribes install there and do not believe that the media saying to you.
Megaionas 5 months ago
uneducated
open a real book about this subject and not this stupid propaganda
and about the greek/english flag
greek is older !!!
MORONS
shitbomp 6 months ago
trisnna9801 +1
MrGorginos 6 months ago
fuck greece
IllyriPower 6 months ago
MACEDONIA IS 1 AND GREEK
THE REST IS BULLSHIT
HundredsOfAdjuchas 6 months ago
It's FYR Macedonia not FGR Macedonia.
First man was supposedly from Africa according to science so how far in history do you really want to go? Idiots.
All i can say is fuck the Euro and eat a dick Greece ...Karma, welcome to the 3rd world. aaahahahahhahahahaha
JollyWog14 7 months ago
@JollyWog14 MORON!!!May i suggest you put your hand back where it was before you uploaded this stupid comment and continue doing what you do best? And take the word Jolly out of your name idiot,maybe that will describe you better!!!!
helios180746 5 months ago
@helios180746 hahaha how does povery taste poofta???. How bout you shut the fuck up and i call you when i need my shoes polished.
JollyWog14 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 WOG.......no such word as povery,IDIOT......and poofta (?) is spelt with an er MORON.......NO, i will NOT shut up on the demand of a pseudomacedonian pig who does not wear shoes because he has no idea on how to put them on!!!!!!Like i said.....put your hand back where it was before and continue doing it and may be with a little luck you will die from it.That will be one less pseudomacedonian on this earth!!! Don't worry about Greece dickhead it has overcome worse times than these.
helios180746 5 months ago
@helios180746 Well i was planning on correcting it but i thought u'd be smart enough to figure out what I was supposed to write. It's called a typo fuck head. Look....I know it's hard work but just because you have to shave your mothers back twice a week doesn't mean you have to take it out on everyone. Okay fag?
maybe you should get his cock out of your ass and i might give you an extra Euro for not moaning whilst polishing my shoes.
JollyWog14 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 Hey WOG!!!! Why don't you just admit that you are a pseudomacedonic stupid moron who not only is utterly and completely illiterate but the type of person who will use filthy language in a conversation because he knows no different. You obviously do not know who you are talking to little boy otherwise you would not dare talk to me like that in person. Just to give you some idea, you little prick,you are offering me the wrong currency.......so DO NOT PUSH YOUR F'N LUCK
helios180746 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 Hey WOG.......correcting it? if you knew how to spell it you would have spelled it right the first time. No such word as a "typo", DICKHEAD.......It is a typographical error. A Greek word of MANY in the English language and most other civilised world languages, without which you would not be able to communicate in an intelligent way. Fag?? That is slang for a cigarette where i come from. Please do not offer me Euros SEWER MOUTH....they are not good to me where i am......
helios180746 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 Can you please go back to school and learn the English language so that people can understand your stupid pseudomacedonian comments? You are only making a bloody fool of yourself like the rest of your pseudomacedonian mates. And by the way.....do not forget to put your hand back where it was. IDIOT!!!
helios180746 5 months ago
@helios180746 blah blah blah. Don't get angry mate, if you be polite i may throw in a free razor (Gillete Mach 4), It's the top of the line balde. Your mother and your grandmother will be very greatful.
JollyWog14 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 Nothing intelligent to say,hey anthropoid? It is so obvious that you are a stupid dolt who is not of the same level as me, otherwise you would not be taking it out on decent people who have been dead for longer than you have been on this earth. Show what you have posted about my parents to yours,coward, so that they can be proud of you. And you and your kind are trying to convince the world that you are descendants of Alexander....you are a laugh!!! Go jump off the Harbour Bridge!!
helios180746 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 "balde".....what the hell is that....IDIOT ? "Greatful"???????? spelled GRATEFUL.......MORONIC DOLT!!!! You really are a "WOG". Wog was a descriptive name given by the British soldiers to certain people in the Middle East, meaning germ/microbe......how appropriate for you!!! Don't forget to put your hand back where it was before, and continue doing the only thing you are good at!!!
helios180746 5 months ago
@helios180746 Listen here poofta, an intelligent person does not need to prove shit. An intelligent person would not bother arguing with an anthropoid. So go suck a dick or do as the Greeks do and guide your anal passage on a big fat cock. You must have alot of time on your hands faggot. Leave me alone now cock sucker and let me toss off in peace. oxoxox
JollyWog14 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 Resorting to filthy language again; SEWER MOUTH? An uneducated person like you can be forgiven!!!! GO TO HELL MORON!!!!! YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME!!!!
helios180746 5 months ago
@JollyWog14 Anthropoid???? You don't know the meaning of the word mate!!!! You know why? Because ONLY educated people can use GREEK words;words of an intelligent language.Do not come back telling me you know its meaning after you looked it up.And something else....STOP using MY words in your responses YOU ABSOLUTE POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING!!!!
helios180746 5 months ago
@helios180746 Fuck yourself mate!!! lol you make me laugh. typicall faggot like my little brother. Learn a couple of big words and you think you know everything about life. then someone comes at you with a baseball bat and you suddenly seem to forget how smart your are and start begging them not to hurt you.lol
Go home before you get smashed smart guy :)
JollyWog14 4 months ago
@JollyWog14 Is your little brother a faggot....you pseudomacedonian IDIOT....shame on your pseudomacedonian family, you uneducated poor excuse for a human being degenerate. I know lots and lots of big words because my GREEK education taught them to me. That is a lot more than i can say about your ability to learn anything from your SERBO/CROATIAN language.Baseball bat???? Now tou are really laughable.Without giving too much away about me, i will tell you this.."Those who dared attack me CONT...
helios180746 4 months ago
@JollyWog14 with any kind of weapon, (mostly cowards such as yourself) committed a serious offence against the State i live in and some are still enjoying time out at the expense of our taxpayers and it sounds like you belong there....see how manly you are with REAL criminals. Don't expand your chest at anyone because someone will deflate it. Now, little boy, i will tell you one more time "Put your hand back where it was before you posted and continue masturbating. LIZARD!! can't get any lower
helios180746 4 months ago
@helios180746 Blah blah fuking blah. typical greek homo. Take it up the ass like my little brother. You fucking fuck oxoxo. :)
You need a root buddy and someone else apart from your sister.
JollyWog14 3 months ago
@JollyWog14 Hey WOG!!!!! Stop making a fool of yourself.....you and your pseudomacedonian mates are the laughing stock of the universe.....do not make it any worse.Your kind of language is indicative of your inability to express yourself....YOU WILL NEVER, EVER BE GREEK MACEDONIANS...JUST THE PEASANT PSEUDOMACEDONIANS THAT YOU ARE. Go to your nearest snake pit and curl up with the rest of your relatives....you will feel at home thare!!!
helios180746 3 months ago
Real Macedonia?
animation for #MonkeyDonians
/watch?v=qSuEfi4NX5I
macedonianimation 7 months ago
in 1912 the greeks,serbians,bulgarians trick macedonia and split them up on 3 parts and macedonia become small and then in 1913 there was a war between serbia,greeks vs bulgaria about the rest of macedonia and macedonia was split between greece and serbia but after the first world and second world war macedonia was brought again as it was in 1912 but is should have been brought like it was before 1912 it was a big Macedonia Grece was small it only had islands and it didn't had any sea
MyFilip2000 7 months ago
Greece is the best are flag is real dont talk shit bout greece are army is the best
TheFlorina23 7 months ago
Sorry about the spelling I'm on my iPad autocorrect :/
Teenscenequeen98 7 months ago
I am so disgusted by you greeks taking money from other places because of a small crisis when countries like Bangladesh are still suffering with no food and water you are truly the most selfish, self absorbed country in the world you steal and claim everything as your own get over yourselves news flash YOUR NOT ThAT SPECIAL! Get over you stupid pride and let other country live how they want. IN PEACE! You made people change the flag! you sued Macedonians even though as told in the video you do
Teenscenequeen98 7 months ago
come on fyromeans u lost ur right to talk about history
as soon as u denied ur history and started stealing a part of our...
Thanks God true history is not written on y ,tube..
THE MORE U TRY TO HIDE THE TRUTH THE MORE IT BURNS UR LIES....
ITS LIKE THE SUN....U JUST CANT HIDE IT
fan4fun4ever 7 months ago
HAHAHAHHAH AND THEN SPIDERMAN CAME AND WOKE U UP....AND TOLD U AN OTHER FAIRYTALE THAT UR FLAG TODAY LOOKS LIKE THAT OF MANCHURIA AND THAT UR CHINESE...HAHAH
fan4fun4ever 7 months ago
hahahahahahahahaha lolololololol :)))))))))))))))))
RommelPilaf 7 months ago
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WASHINGTON—A group of leading historians held a press conference Monday at the National Geographic Society to announce they had "entirely fabricated" ancient Greece, a culture long thought to be the intellectual basis of Western civilization.... just wrote on google Historians Admit To Inventing Ancient Greeks
RommelPilaf 7 months ago
i think that the only solution is....BORDERS with SERBIA...if you know what i mean.
vazelosit 8 months ago
@vazelosit i totally agree
fan4fun4ever 7 months ago
Too different to compare! We don't hate red, but blue is the colour of our sea and the sky. Many islands have houses painted in white and blue. The flag that is shown on this video is too different from ours. Just count the rows. Not in the video, because the creator has cut some of them in order to make a propaganda. You foolish people borrow everything, greek history, greek symbols, everything.
harrischem 8 months ago
You are doing exactly the same you accuse us for doing! And please go to Britain and say that we Greeks are British offsprings!
Peristerygr 8 months ago
LoL this is amazing you kick the GAYreece bat! :D
NexusMKD 9 months ago
Malakes, come get some!
axelandros 9 months ago
fyrom historians vs greek historians... i bet all my money...my house,my car,my motorbike,my girlfriend,my friends and my family for the winning of greekhistorians. oh my god!this is the most stupid video i have seen in my whole life!you have no idea what the greek flag and the vergina star represents!idiots!
johnkefalas 9 months ago
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johnkefalas 9 months ago
maceonia is not greek greek is macedonia beucause in 1912 macedonai was split by Serbia Bulgaria And Grece and a little part Albania :@ :@ @:
MyFilip2000 9 months ago
When Greece proves the fake Macedons wrong, they spit out lies about the Greeks claiming Macedonia is not Greece. What is this fuss all about?Do you so called "macedonians" have anything else better to do except continuing to cry over the internet? and thus lets not forget in the 5th-6th century Macedonia gave up and followed the Greek cultures,names, etc. Theirs not much to be said about the Greekness of Macedonia...
petrosz12 9 months ago
Macedonia is multiethnic country like other European countries and here live Macedonians, Albanians, Serbs, Turks and others. They have all rights here in Macedonia ! But in Greece "the cradle of democracy" rights have only Greeks ! In 1946 - 1949 you made the genocide
Аnd expel over 300 000 Macedonians (they now are in USA, Canada, Australia) from Aegean Macedonia. ALL WORLD KNOW YOU ARE NATIONALIST !
BUT DON'T FORGET ! 2013 UNITED MACEDONIA !!!!!!!!
xXxWolverinexXx666 9 months ago
think. greece fought macedonia not because only their flag was similar to greek to their but because the fuckin macedonians are thinking falsly that they are from greece to ELLAS THA ZHSEIS, TA SKOPIA NA GAMISEIS (greece you will live to fuck macedonia)
jojogothic 9 months ago
pfff..
realize itt..
you are not from macedonia..you are slavic..
dont change the history...
Tolisakis97 10 months ago
u greks are such ball suckers cocksucking sluts fuck you all ...i aint no macedonian but u r haters fuck you for unfairness motherfuckin bitches
cunikeq 10 months ago
3:51 of my life that I will never get back...thank you you dirty Skopjan :(
sikfreak6969 10 months ago
MACEDONIA IS GREEK AND FUCK YOU ALL THE OTHERS..
ppffppff1 11 months ago
macedonia is BULGARIA !
Ivanecat 11 months ago
@Ivanecat
lolll...
macedonia is american dude
Tolisakis97 10 months ago
@Ivanecat haha, crazy or what, of course is GREEK:)look for your own history
mogim98 10 months ago
Google. ... "Macedonia Evidence"
Vardarskan to Yugoslavia to Macedonia. Hahahahaha. Why would a country change names so many times? Is it because they are confused. Or just uneducated or even brain washed.
I think all three.
Macedonia is Greek and forever timeless.
nmt1969 11 months ago
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Attention Fyromians: Most countries recognize you as "Republic of Macedonia" and recognize your nation's right to name themselves what ever they want. Those same countries wouldn't care if you wanted to name yourselves the Republic of Willy Wonka. But none of those countries believe that you have the right to hijack ancient historical figures from Greece and modern historical figures from Bulgaria just so you can create a culture.
trisnna9801 11 months ago
its 1 thing to have strong similarities in flags and another thing to occupy greek territory using the greek name of area and taking symbols which are of ancient greek heratige & claiming it your own, you bulgo/albo/slavo whateva u claim dat alexander was monkedonski, you believe ur own bullshit,you dont even know what you are so you make it up, i feel pity for U,a nation of orphan bastards, what a shame your NOT greek, just go back to bulgaria,albania , wherever the FUCK YOU CAME FROM, GYPSIES
kaffir00 11 months ago
greek flag is not copy they are just similar
greek flag = blue stipes= sky,white=freedom + christian cross=our religion....
what does english flag means?
shitbomp 11 months ago
these countries flag are just similar
+ most of them have same origin
macedonian star is greek found in greece and it was flag of greek region of macedonia you stole it from us
+ it wasnt ur first flag ur first flag was similar with china...
shitbomp 11 months ago
The fact is that you assholes purposely chose this flag..That is the reason. YOU HAVE NO COUNTRY...U ARE NOTHING BUT FUCKING SLAVSSSSS....FROM BULGARIA....
pmylonakos 11 months ago
Apparently, the spirits of Tito and Milosevic are still hovering in this country and their political followers use the corrupt judiciary to get rid of uncomfortable opponents.
Completely ignoring the Copenhagen criteria, people schooled Milosevic-style are blocking the European future of the Western Balkans and working for their reintegration into a new, anti-European Yugo-Empire. However, times are different now and those nostalgic dreams cannot be realized.
trisnna9801 11 months ago
ok macedonians what dose that star on your flag mean or represent? then?? huh? huh? ne one?
da1freak88 1 year ago
ok macedonians what dose that star on your flag mean or represent? then?? huh? huh? ne one?
da1freak88 1 year ago
Greek are crazy for Macedonian history but that history is not yours ..
6OIIIEB 1 year ago
I am half Macedonian, born in Romania. I don't have brotherhood with Bulgarians.
shockolanu 1 year ago
The flags with crosses represent CHRISTIANITY.
Yes, Greeks hate red on flags. In modern times it represents communism. Greece was never communist. Remember, cowards? You tried to help communists in the Greek Civil War. You are lucky you still exist!
You love red and yellow because you are red commies and yellow cowards.
Original? Go to Mycenae and see the symbol of Hellenes that was used at least hundreds of years before Macedon existed.
You want the symbol of Helios? It means you are Greeks!
shockolanu 1 year ago
1. The Sun symbol was not first used by Argeads (kings of Macedon that came from Argos). It was used LONG before Macedon existed.
2. Nobody forced you to do anything. Greeks claimed their Hellenic symbol for Helios, with copyright. You adopted the flag of Japanese Navy (WW2) on your own. Apparently you like to steal flags (like the lion from Bulgarians)
3. You show 8 flags with suns... take a picture of the sun and put it on your flag, don't use the Greek symbol for Helios (Greek God).
shockolanu 1 year ago
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Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
trisnna9801 1 year ago
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FYROMians were nothing but nomads, a nation on the march. They were constantly conquered by one group or another. So of course they believe glory is associated with conquerors, (i.e. Alexander the Great), and not in our contribution to civilization. (i.e. Greece)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
greece is going to cry in 2013...
WE ARE NOT slavs
WE ARE NOT greek
WE ARE NOT bulgarians
WE ARE MACEDONIANSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
MACEDONIA TIMELESS!!!
WoWhelperful 1 year ago
@WoWhelperful Even Gotse Deltchev,the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader,whose nome de guerre was Ahil (Achilles) "refers to the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).In his correspondence Gotse Deltchev often states simple and clearly,"We are Bulgarians" (Mac Dermott 1978:192,273).
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@WoWhelperful 'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.'(FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov in interview to Ottawa Citizen Newspaper 24 February 1999)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@WoWhelperful "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President to Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@WoWhelperful "We are not stating by accident that Josip Broz Tito is Jesus Christ for Macedonia, a father and a mother for Macedonia. Because we have, in that time, after NOB, for the first time created a Macedonian alphabet, a Macedonian television, a Macedonian state, a language, a passport, an identity card, a university for the first time, a Macedonian academy for the first time. (continued)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@WoWhelperful We, communists, have created the Macedonian Orthodox church."
(Slobodan Ugrinovski, FYROM politician - "Tito is Jesus Christ for Macedonia" - A1 TV, FYROM May 04 2009)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 Slobodan Ugrinovski - what an ugly name.
shockolanu 1 year ago
@shockolanu You're right.....but what the hell, I didn't name his ass ;)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
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@WoWhelperful "The whole story about Ancient Macedonia sounds undoubtedly very nice. However, there is a great problem, a huge hole of about 2,000 years during which we have neither oral nor written tradition, nor a single scientific argument (Ljubco Georgievski, former Prime Minister of the former Yugoslavia FOCUS news, 31 March 2008)
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@WoWhelperful I don't want you to think that I'm attacking you, but these are some quotes from your own elected officials.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
@trisnna9801 ... and whats that ??? plzz tell me ??!!!
WoWhelperful 1 year ago
@WoWhelperful I'm just pointing out some quotes from your own elected officials. It's not an attack, just letting you see what was said before all this nationalistic hysteria. And all because of some political aspirations.
trisnna9801 1 year ago
Macedonia is always Greek
petrosz12 1 year ago
Wow, you're really reaching with this one. On the Greek flag the cross symbolizes Greek Orthodoxy, the established religion of the people of Greece and Greek Cypriots. The nine stripes represent the nine syllables of the phrase "Ελευθερία ή Θάνατος" ("Freedom or Death"), and the blue & white represents the sky & waves. The India Trading company's flag has a more English influence. So now explain Macedonia's flag to me. What does the sun represent? How about the 8 rays? What about the colors?
trisnna9801 1 year ago 61
@trisnna9801 You want it explained? Im 16 years old and i'll explain it for you, your stupid greek. The red color is for the blood that has been spilled and will be spilled for the kingdom of macedonia, but most of all its picturing a sunset in Macedonia, with a red sky and yellow sun. The yellow sun is the sun of vergina (Cонцe од Вергина).
Now it's my turn to ask you a question and for you to answer it. Why are you using our symbol and why are you putting blue insted of red?
makedonec94 10 months ago
@makedonec94 Well said my friend.
BlueGama600 10 months ago
@makedonec94 16 my ass. First you lie about your history, now you lie about your age. You're a 30 year old. You probably have the educational level of a 16 your old, but that's about it. Furthermore, your flag is red because of your communist past. When Yugoslavia was one country, it had 6 republics. Fyrom was called "Socialist Republic of Macedonia", and your flag was red with a yellow 5-point star in the upper left corner. You hijacked the sun of vergina in 1991 to build an identity.
trisnna9801 10 months ago 5
@makedonec94 Your description of your flag is very remedial. Such manufactured bullshit about the color red meaning blood that was spilled or some crap about spilling blood...that was funny. But I do think it's fitting that you said that the sun is a sunset and not a sunrise. If I were you, I would've called it a sunrise. But I guess even you realize that someday the sun will set on your country and their silly Macedonian claims.
trisnna9801 10 months ago 23
Your current greek genes are Ethiopian (IGEA research) and you have nothing to do with the ancient Greeks.
Greeks living in greece today are ugly stupid and lazy. Your economy is danger for all of Europe, you live like parasites on the working hands of Germany, France and the Scandinavian countries. So go in Africa and make giro ouzo and find your cousins.
zankozajkov 4 months ago
@zankozajkov You need to believe those things, because the truth is too much for your little mind to handle. You were born a Yugoslavian from Yugoslavian parents. Or did you burn your birth certificate from 1982, just like your burning your Slavic ancestry now? When you were young, you cheered Yugoslavia's victory in 1990 as they became basketball's world champs. Now (thanks to brainwashing) "Yugoslavia" is a curse word to you. You went from a proud people, to a bunch of self-denying fools.
trisnna9801 4 months ago 12
@makedonec94 The son of Vergina your symbol? Oh my God! It's an ancient Macedonian symbol... Macedonia is greek! The symbol is ours and the treasure of Vergina is in Greece! You have no idea of history. You will never get what you want! You will always fight the Greek people.
harrischem 8 months ago