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  • I admit gt5 looks better, but forza 4 sounds way better!!

  • @GTA4Forever sorry, but gt5 look way better, and forza 4 sounds better

  • @gt362gamer thats what i just said..

  • @GTA4Forever way better =/= better

  • lol accolade is better than gt5 '='

  • ok first off, these sounds are ok but they still sound very bland, plus, if you need a home theater set that costs a ton of money to hjear it like that its not worth it, forza 4 sounds awesome coming out of my tv, this doesnt, and plus on the f430 compare you were shifting at way too high rpm, the real life was much lower in rpm.

  • have u ever play forza motorsport? its much much better than GT5...

    only gallardo, and merc C63 Amg from GT5 is better than Forza..

  • what exhaust were fitted for your tests ? thanks

  • engine sounds changes a lot depending on different muffler or exhaust in gran turismo 5

  • awesome video

  • Still synthesised to hell instead of recording sounds properly. I dont care if your bass goes up to 11, they sound awful compared to that other game lol.

  • @themardybum08 Hey man, quess how many games have record engine sounds?

  • These cars may sound like their real life counterparts now, but put ONE exhaust part on them in the game, and listen as they all mesh together; Sounding almost nothing like real life.

  • @ERRORcode901 With titanium exhaust, they sound like they have a titanium exhaust. You know that changing the exhaust in real life changes the sound as well?

  • @MrUppmas I'm aware of that, but they still sound too similar to me... Also, I take back the "Sounding almost nothing like real life" statement, I'm simply trying to imply that there should be more, different exhaust parts that give different sounds. I'm also aware that this game has hundreds of cars, and that I'm asking for alot when I say that, but it would be nice.

  • @ERRORcode901 Duhh it actually does make the cars in real life sound somewhat similar. Like V8 and 4 cylinder engine have nothing to do with each other, right? When you fit a racing exhaust on them, they both get a similar sound update, and therefore they now sound similar in one part. And actually, there is no more exhaust parts that would give you differing sounds. Of course in real life, the products don't go with names like ''sports exhaust'', but still, the changes would be just minor.

  • bravo bravo bravo . that video really make my day friend... its the best of the best games for driving...as for driving physics...no comment..thanks for great video//good job

  • @ouiotzes1 the physics are great, watcha-talkin-'bout-boy.

  • with you is great of course.. is something wrong with that...boy?

  • @ouiotzes1 I like them, they feel fine to me. Everyone has their opinions.

  • I swear every car in GT5 is made to sound like some serious F1 car because I'm hearing supercharger sounds in cars that don't even have the upgrade.

  • 5 stars for the gallardo? the real sound is completely different

  • Realy like this video!

    More ppl should see this, a lot of forza fanboys or ppl that don't realy know GT5 only know the video you started with.

    It's impossible to tell them that cars sound realy good in the game, now I just have to link them this.

    To the ppl that argument about the soundsystem: if you can't buy an HD tv, and you're playing it on a 20 year old tv, are you gonna tell that the game isn't even in HD and the graffics suck?

  • For Example you can compare the F40 (PS3) to Real life (Youtube Video) sound and see what I mean....

  • Point 3 I been working on used cars area . I can tells the F430 engine sound

    only reaching 60%+ (to real life) no metter what sound system in use .

  • 2nd point of view about sound system : Not all gamer able to tells if they

    sound system are closest to the re-production (emulation) from the game producer

    studio . Because I been working on recording studio . the monitor they using

    must sound as good on small speaker and the floor standing one , but for home

    user there is no standard speaker for this ... So is hard to say that who have a

    better sound system compare to the real one .

  • In fact not all gamer experiencing real "super cars" sound , as you can tells

    the differences between F430 and 430 scuderia . in Ps3 i don't think that sound

    perfect 100% (including when it switching gears) the game sound a bit faster

    when shifting...

  • If you do get the time, kindly make a similar video for 2012. Last year around December I believe the latest patch tinkered with the sound of the cars. Some people say it sounds much better.

  • Yeah but how much money u have to spend for this to get those sounds!

  • @Hamisxa 150 for good headset. TB'S DPX21's.

  • @TheImSolid yeah true but its like paying for fucking 3 gamer or a brand new 26 cal TV

  • @Hamisxa The fuck is a 26 cal TV? and WTF is a 3 gamer? Besides, most of the people who are able to buy a PS3 have decent tv nowadays. 150 for a good headset (7.1 surround sound) doesn't sound expenisve to me. You get what you pay for ;)

  • Hats off to you sir! You have done a fair comparison. Although this does not totally justify the engine sound quality totally as there are many many more cars, at least you have done something unlike the rest of us who bitch which is better. This really needs more views and you've earned yourself a subscriber!

  • Yeahh.. the sound in GT5 just plain sucks. You know it, I know it, our PS3s know it.

  • honestly if forza 4 was on ps3 i would play it too... just like NFS Shift2 or Midnight Club LA. Like he says they are all games. They all have their flaws. We play these games for the passion of cars.

  • thank u so much brother! i am going to buy a mercedes - bmw - or a ferrari but i need help do you know wich one is the best? and which car do you advise by? pleas comment back

  • Hey man they have just updated some racing sounds(wich i dont know what that means) do you notice some difference?

  • 02:20 woooww that a whole lotta hair :D

  • It´s simple, just play Forza 4 and you will notice! In my opinion, GT2 and Forza 4 sounds much better than GT5!

    Salu2

  • this game doesn't sound as bad as everyone thinks it does its just that most people mod their cars to extreme and put that crappy race pipe on it

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  • I dunno a lot of ferraris but in gt5 cars many cars sound like they are outfitted with turbo kits even if you don't buy the kit itself while in this video I noticed that you don't hear air blowing in real ferraris probably cus the sound is dimmed by exhaust, maybe on the outside of the car : /

  • sorry but the sound of a car is really important in a racing game..Forza understood it. All the cars in GT5 as soon as you tune them, sound like vaccum cleaner..NEVER heard of a ZR1 with over 700hp with a vaccum sound. Yes, STOCK premium cars sound a BIT like real cars, but there are only 200. All forza's car sound like real ones. I used to be a fan of Gt but damn, forza is way better...open your eyes

  • @jiffiz If sound is the thing for you... lol. Sounds are about 1% on a sim, like GT5. If you try to concentrate to the race, you dont even notice the fucking sound. And also, nobody ever loved Gran Turismo series for sound, you know?

  • @MrUppmas Finally!!!, someone who understands.

    i posted a comment about how physics is more important than sound on a gt5 vs forza lamborghini gallardo sound comparison and i keep getting reply's from people saying sound is a must for driving sims, and in the latest reply i got, a forza fan told me that "Gt5 is for shit-for-brains retards like you" and he also said "Go eat dick".

  • @TheChickenman93 Well you know... most people on youtube are retards. And fanboys are also really retarded. ^_^

  • LOL I went to the Dynamic Range Setting for sound, and it specifically states that those who use living room limit the engine sound, road noise, and other sound effects XD. So PD did state this just people weren't paying attention.

  • thanks for this video. I kinda thought that we need a home theater system for the true sound. However, for some cars it was just missing something, but others like that Corvette where like whooooa. Also I'm glad you showed the differences with and without a sound system. Nice Job now I need to go get one Xd.

  • soo...gt5 cars dont sound like real life? cause thats what it sounded like to me.

  • patch 2.02 bettered all car sounds in the game

  • To listen real car sound, you need 2.1, 5.1, or 7.1 surround to make perfect sound in GT5. I did turn off speaker in my hd tv due to you complain to us. I am hard of hearing can listen to any type of sound based from object or other if I saw it.

  • take the sauber c9 my favorite car and play it in GT5 on any Soundsystem u want and compare it to the sound of that video "LeMans 24h 1989 Digest 3/8 【Awasome Sound】" i have all the Group C/LMP cars of GT5 that are 21 including the two black stealth models now check the sound of the video around the 4th min and tell me ur truth and how u can thank mr assfuck yamauchi for this piece of shit thats called real driving simulator ;) the truth is disappointing

  • Gran Turismo 5 was a giant slap in the face to me. I waited all this time and just got it 2 days ago. I don't care how good their premium cars look, I'd rather go with Forza 4. At least all their cars are uniform in their presentation and aren't ripped straight from a previous library of cars. And the sound, that's bullshit too. I bought their game, I should get great sound like i did on Forza from what my tv alone provides.

  • @ShamusOGrady2 I should note in my previous comment, i know the premium are absolutely beautiful, it's just that i don't care for the mix of qualities in my racing.

  • good video but they sound nothing like the real thing all the cars sound too high pitch 11:00 to 11:40 the only difference was the volume... you just prove they sound like shopvacs

  • im a huge fan of both forza and gt, and i gotta say, gt has really really bad detail and car sound for what it couldve been, forza is as close as it gets to a sim when it comes to console racers. polyphony couldve done a lot better on that game, but they did do a pretty good job, forzas just better

  • @carfanboy69 Bad detail? We have a fanboy here!!! At least PD keeps everything in-house unlike Turn 10 who hires other companies to make their car models.

  • @MrUppmas im not trying to get into a fight, im not overreacting either, i just think that polyphony couldve done better, forza in my opinion just has more and better detail and even driving, t10 has pirelli tires for handling data so i just honestly dont think it gets any better

  • @carfanboy69 I don't want fight either. But GT5 and FM4 are the best looking racing games on their consoles. And as I said, Tunr 10 hires other companies to do their work, thats why they get so much done. And also GT5 is much better with steering wheel, Forza 4 is better with controller. And also GT5 has got real tyre data, they just don't market it like Turn 10.

  • @MrUppmas i know it, id just rather my viper sound insanely realistic rather than a deisal powered truck

  • @carfanboy69 Bad sound is better than not sound at all?

  • @MrUppmas i guess and the standard car thing was just really really really, stupid

  • i love the galardo sound its exacly the same btw i sub becuase you really know what gt is about not a fanboy like the others

  • problem with bass is, bass is expensive

  • I have to agree that the car sounds are a lot better with a home theater, but those V8's still aren't as deep as the real life cars. I'm not a GT5 fanboy, nor am I a FM4 fanboy. I am a Racing Sim fanboy, so I love both games. Personally, I prefer FM4 car sounds. They sound a lot deeper. Try Forza 4 on a Home Theater and compare it to GT5 on a Home Theater. FM4 wins 99% of the time. But in the end, nothing beats GTR2 with Real Car Sound mods :P

  • they still sound like an electric car A LITTLE BIT but yes way way better.

  • good video, the premuim models are very good, but my favorite car is the sauber mercedes c9, hope they will fix it sometimes love his V8 turbo sound, for now it sounds like a vacuum cleaner..i love GT5 but b-spec is rubbish and the cars u have to buy too

  • ive always loved the jazzy sound tracks in gt from the first to the fifth

  • cat on the robot vacuum cleaner xD LMAO

  • Yes, do a 2.02 version- the sounds HAVE improved, example, listen to a chevrolet camaro SS '00, you can hear the supercharger!

  • Test Drive Arcade Wins LMAO.

  • You definitelly need to do a new version of this, as 2.02 patch changed the sounds!

  • i tried to prove the same point 4 years ago on GT5 prologue.

    i used a 7.1 home system. and the game sound so great.

    you can take a look at my video on gt5 3-4 years ago.. i tihnk they all sound better than those review gt5 video

  • Amazing man! So your saying that when you have a home theatre, it divides all the sound to individual speakers giving you a realistic sound? Awesome. Does this work for headsets? Thanks man I hope everyone who rants about GT sounds sees this.

  • I hope this video gets a LOT of views. Thanks to the person who uploaded this!!! It helps to shed light about the truth, about what people perceive while playing video games, on different equipment and different setups, and then posting their own opinions everywhere. If you don't play the game on a surround sound system, then you honestly can't be taken seriously when commenting about the game's sound being bad. I hope that people who read my comment here understand what I am saying. :D

  • damn, my tv speakers sound great but I need 5.1 sound so bad, grat vid, but unfortunately there are some cars that just don't sound any good, like the sauber c9

  • Now the sounds have got improved :D

  • omg dude!! I LOVED YOUR VIDEO!! AND YOUR DESCRIPTION!!!!! I WILL PUT YOUR VIDEO AS FAVORITE AND I WILL SUSBSCRIBE!!!!

  • but if you play forza 4 with this home theater set what will you hear?

  • have to say i prefer forza 4 but not as a battle its just my opinion still this proves ps3's gt5 wasn't a dissapointment and really all of us should be happy we can have a good consloe driving experience. but its your choice

  • sounds like GT ran the cars on a dyno to get the sounds judging by the video, none the less i bet it sounds great on nice speakers :)

  • Still needs more depth but it's very close. I know how hard it is to replicate the sound from their real life counterparts.

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  • Like the video a lot. It IS the truth. When I play GT5, I always raise the volume as high as I can. It realy makes a big difference. Nice to see that someone puts effort in making such videos.

  • In gt5 stock cars sound alot better

  • and if u really wan t better sound than go to audio options and then change it from living room to large theater 

  • I am jealosy of your environment.

  • Men i just loved your description, it's just what a real game lover should do and say. I just have one thing to add to your description... SPA is available!!! My favourite track thank god. Well done video aswell.

  • @markingfeat hahaha many many thanks for you comment dude! Yes!!! Another day I saw an onboard F1 video in Spa and I could notice that they have to make the second turn of eau rouge in a middle throttle otherwise it crashes and notice that the same have to be done in the game, is lovable! Nice to found people who have got the soul of this video! Now it's just missing Interlagos racing track :-p haha See you dude!

  • @mendeal2 Yeah, that track and all the Portugal ones (Circuito do Estoril and Autódromo Internacional do Algarve)... See you fellow nice to see someone that cares! :)

  • @mendeal2 i could NOT agree more with you... i think the sounds are pretty good when stock... you can tune the car, race with it and then remove exhaust and have stock sound again so people should not complain... they can not make the sound 100% perfect yet... but for now i enjoy driving, getting money, buying cars so much! LOVE this game... btw they alrdy fixed sounds a lil bit :) u still play this game alot?

  • @TheDecidingBullet hey but forza 4 has much more realistic sounds - do u agree? (u know bass and all that stuff is amazing in forza!!!)

    my opinion ;) but i do not often play gt5 - ive got no ps3^^ but i'm not a gt5 hater...its only said to make an amazing game with that soundpack^^

  • @TDUfreak1 i completely agree with you about the sounds. but like always its an opinion. i play both quite alot and found forza having better sound but when it comes to realism / lap times honestly i think still gt5 is better. both great games and both fun games. for fun w/ cars i would prefer forza (sound, cars, graphics) wen it comes to lap times gt5

  • @TheDecidingBullet @TDUfreak1 It's so good to see people talking about this topic when they know about it! Thanks a lot guys and have fun with our car's games!!!

  • Hey man this video was just what I was looking for!Some cars sounds of GT5 with a home theater :D Now can you please make a video like this but with these cars:

    BMW M5 '08,BMW M3 E92,Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG and the SLS AMG?I would really really appreciate it!

    I also subscribed :)

  • To be honest, it doesn't matter if you're playing thru the television or a good sound system. The cars in Gran Turismo doesn't sound like.....cars. It's like listening to a mechanical something that goes higher and lower in rpm's.

  • At 10:45 I Said, "NOOOO! NOT THE VETTE!"

  • haha the 458s sound like they're saying renin

  • Gt 5 = big let down I bought a ps3 just for gt 5 from know on I'll just stick to forza

  • I own a 5.1 teufel system which cost me about a thousand dollars but gt5 still sounds crap compared to forza. i mean whats the point of this video? if you think about it it is obvious that the cars won't sound totally different just because you have good speakers. on tv speakers they sound like an old vaccuum cleaner and on good speakers they sound like a not as old vaccuum cleaner lol. gt5 ist a good game/sim but you have to admit that the sounds are terrible.

  • @Kackwurst777 Same here!^^

    Cars still sound like... i don't know

  • @Kackwurst777 just take a time and have patience to watch the whole thing and read the video description. I'm not here comparing to any game...

  • you know, it doesnt matter what sound system you use, a game with a good sound will always sound good on any system. it's just that the sound quality may change to the better on a better system. and gt5 doesn't sound good at all. also, i got a good sound system, not a sony system.

  • @vinnievincent85 You didn't watch the whole thing and didn't read the video description. If you know about sound, you know, a sony system is a good sound system as well and it divides/it is between the amateur and professionals. You aren't talking with whom don't know what is talking about.

  • @mendeal2 yeah well if you record a real race car it doesn't matter how lousy your camcoder's mic is, it still sounds better. and about the sony thing, that's up to whoever the listener is. iam more into highend audio systems like classé, lyngdorf and nad wich sony just can't compete with.

  • Hey, caps. I like that. Fits here. GAYSTATION QUEENS AND THEIR LITTLE Gay TurdIsHoe BARBIE CARS 5. YOU FAGS CRACK ME UP! if your faggy game sucks so bad (and everyone knows it does) would it not just be easier to admit you picked a bitch system with PINK MOVE DILDO WANDS for your ass and fail games and just get a 360 and move on? Poor fags. YOU WILL ALWAYS LOSE! THAT'S THE BEST PART OF IT ALL. xD FAILURE AND CRYING GO HAND IN HAND! xD Diddler's of Sackboys nut sack. xD

  • @Xbox360fanboyer what are you? 5?

  • @Xbox360fanboyer I have Forza's games. You didn't read the video description and didn't watch the whole thing. Thanks for your comment :-S

  • the thing is people compare cars on the game that have a modified exhaust, thats when they sound bad, all of the stock car sounds are close or exactly the same which is what you showed here. nice work.

  • Still can't explain why the Audi Quattro doesn't sound like a 5 at all though...

  • som of GT5 cars sound like lil handheld dirt devils!!

  • With the home theater you are using and the fact you are asking us to play this through ours on top it's creating a shitload of additional bass and reverb that is completely unnatural to the game's original sound. You cannot slam other peoples videos just because they captured the sound "as it is", which is how it should be judged.

    I honestly find this all a bit desperate. Of course it sounds better through a home theater, not disputing that but all it does it mask the ugly engine sounds :/

  • @cloudskipa Sorry, I didn't get your point. Read the video description, there I tried to show my point.

  • @cloudskipa Polyphony tests their games with home theatres because thats what gets the best sound,on the home theatre sound is the games "natural" sound anything other than a home theatre isn't realistic to what the game is capable of, you don't need a home theatre to enjoy the game, normal tvs have surround sound built in,ones that don't still sound very good, @mendeal2 's sounds are "as is" in his video, the sounds in the other one were altered by the tv so that the speakers don't blow out...

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  • Thank god!! Finally one who got this whole sound farse into perspective. If you're playin' on shitty tv speakers, ofcourse you wont get good sound. I also play gt5 on 5.1 surround and the sounds are great.

  • @kamagel and finally someone who knows what is talking about and read/watch the whole thing. Thx bro!

  • @kamagel I played GT5 in a 1100watts 5.1 and my Type R still civic sounded like a joke :(

  • @kamagel They really aren't. big block V8's don't sound like shopvacs.

  • Easy to tell you put some long hours into making this video! Excellent from another fellow PS3 gamer, who knows GT5 and GT6 own and will continue to PWN the Racing Fan's hearts with Quality built in from scratch! Thanks!!!

  • nice work man tanks for the video....but not every one can get a quality sound sistem.....so they keep the same.... : ( polyphony has lots of work to do

  • the best comprasion ever seen !

    this is the truth !!!

    thx bro

  • @StfuHtc thx you bro!!!

  • actually the sounds of f430 differ a bit :)

  • @antoxin93 yep, we think alike, they could make it better...otherwise the F40 is much similar..., the sound of turbine, the bass of low rpms...etc...

  • @TopGearFinland Not a single racing game can do that...

  • AWESOME WORK, dude!! GT5 Rulezzz!

  • the difference between the 458 italia is that in the video downloaded the 458 has a racing exhaust which changes it's stock noise ;) otherwise nicely done video

  • i for one am realy disappointed with this game because of the car sounds eg honda civic vtec you dont hear the car hitting the vtec in gt5 and the brutal sound of a de-cat exaust system on a evo... all i hear is an electric car sound on the other hand you could own an xbox and be able to play forza4 were you can actually hear a honda crx hit the vtec. forza is actually a lethal game, too bad its an exclusive :(

  • I thought GT5 was okay until I saw some videos of Forza4. The cars in GT5 sound fine, but the cars in Forza4 sound like beasts, but perhaps they are over-exaggerated? It's a shame I don't own a 360 so GT5 it is, but I do wonder why Polyphony didn't up their game more. Nice video though, adds some credence to the sounds.

  • @markypea Hi man, I really like your comment! Totally different from someones here ;) I like Forza as well (as I wrote in the video description), I think this game has some cars sounding much fine. It has the same "problem" of GT5, there are cars that sound fine and there are cars the aren't sound fine, unfortunately....

  • @markypea why exaggerate sounds?.. we just want them identical to the real ones for gawds sake!! Nice comment by the way.

  • The problem here is this is a mid engine car. so the engine and engine sounds will be coming from behind the driver so if you dont have a home theater system or have the sound options wrong on the game you wont hear the engine as good as it should be coming loud from the rear channels instead of the front channels.

  • I have a home theatre system. And I still think GT5-sounds suck. Sorry, but NFS Most Wanted was much better concerning engine sounds.

    It's the unecessary high frequences in GT5 engine sounds that are just annoying. The cars don't sound "clean".

  • @storm9311 those are straight cut transmission boxes you can hear, yes, you can hear them in real life, /watch?v=dmJH84FnQa8

  • @calumROBLOX

    Yes, you can hear them in real life. But not as ridiculously loud as in the game. I have experienced the sound of a real M5... it just sounds wrong in the game, I'm sorry. Great physics, best simulation. But sounds are crap. SLS AMGs sound is far from it's real one, too.

  • @storm9311 1. don't apply fully customizable transmission

    2. very little whining noise

    if you apply a custom tranny, it makes a lot of noise in the game, I agree, way too much.

  • @storm9311 Dude, I can show you the SLS AMG have a nice sound in the game. I call you when I upload the video okay.

  • I have a home theatre system. And I still think GT5-sounds suck. Sorry, but NFS Most Wanted was much better concerning engine sounds.

    It's the unecessary high frequences in GT5 engine sounds that are just annoying.

  • I have a home theatre system. And I still think GT5-sounds suck. Sorry, but NFS Most Wanted was much better concerning engine sounds.

  • @storm9311 it's true, gt5 won't sound good on anything. listen to the battlefield games, they have a good sound and also sounds good on any kind of sound system.

  • what would be the best sound setting for gt5?

  • @Kamk4ze I also would like to know... its almost december... time for a new Home Theater!

  • this game lack the grunt if u know what i mean

  • Home Theather does make a difference but even so the sounds could be more ferocious, have you listened to forza 4 or NFS shift sounds in a home theather? they sound better than gt5´s

  • Excellent video, shows your appreciation and love towards GT5! People should seriously stop comparing GT5 to Forza! Seriously! If you love cars you'll love both games! Can you please do a test with the same sound system comparing LFS and iRacing?

  • This is so sweet, well i guess i will have to buy a home thether! : D

    Thanks for taking the timefor this!

  • 3:12 the best part a real fight

  • some of you need to man up or woman up and realise how all the cars in GT sound the same as my grandmas vacuum smh

  • @DUBMANKZ32 Watch the damn video.

  • Great comparison, thanks for posting. You can effectively use your surround setup and EQ settings to bring out more of the character of the car you want. With the Corvette example, you can tell the low frequency sounds are being really juiced.

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  • @CHRISGT34 Exhaust sound doesn't matter when you are playing on the cockpit view dumbass. >_< the real car sounds are deep, so you have to use bass wich improves deep sounds a lot! I noticed the same with I got my first headset, which has got bass. The car sounds are a lot better on that.

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  • @CHRISGT34

    really? because this video doesn't have any DLC cars in it, and was uploaded WAY before DLC was launched...

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  • @CHRISGT34

    i have played GT5 nearly every day that ive been able to since its release, and i also check out the update specifics after download, and i NEVER remember seeing ANYTHING about sounds being updated... the quality of the transformer for the amplifier powering the speakers has the greatest impact on sound quality... i can't tell if your bashing GT5 or Pro GT5, but im pretty sure this video is very pro GT5, and i am pro gt5.

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  • @CHRISGT34

    you don't understand how audio reproduction works at all do you.

    the quality of the power transformer in an audio system is the MOST IMPORTANT PART, you can switch the power transformer for the audio in your TV and get 10x better sound, and hear things that weren't there before. and about the exhaust upgrade, there isn't one. ones a recording with an HD Camera and the audio is being played through a SS while the other recording is directly plugged into a recording device.

  • @CHRISGT34

    also, no updates to date have adressed sound of actual cars.

  • You did it right man. Finally some one who demonstrated that with a decent audio system and the right settings you can understand how refined gt is. I use the same settings and it's a joy. Don't forget cars like mazda 787b or ford mark iv wich sound incredible.