Jordan made Hall of Famers his bitch, no matter their size, on the regular. That's why they defer to him when the question is asked, "Who is the greatest player of alltime?"
Look at how empty the out of bounds area behind the baselines are. Compared to all the cameramen sitting on top of each other these days, it's like watching a high school game.
@FuFairy against the bulls but not the rockets. Worthy shot "lousy" 40% from the field against the rockets in the 91 1st round, Worthy shot 47.9% against the bulls in the 91 finals. Haha commentin on ur page, for the player Pippen became he wasn't at his full potential in 91, Kenny, Thrope, Maxwell avg'd the same amount of ppg as Pippen that yr. But of course there u go again with that "one great teammate is automatically better" excuse. Learn what all around team is dude.
@FuShengAlex Kareem so much is cuz ur team was able to beat the lakers in 86 so u don't care to hate on em so much but the rockets didn't beat the bulls in the finals & most ppl would believe those 2 rings by the rockets were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence & the bulls not bein at full strength. That probably pisses u off so much & so u just wanna believe they weren't flukes by makin up countless excuses.
lol@hangtime23ful ......more excuses. Jordan was healthy, winning MVPs, DPOY, scoring titles from 88-90....and still losing,LOL. Was he not 100% in this era? I mean I thought MJ playing full seasons in his prime guaranteed the Bulls titles according to your argument.
@FuShengAlex No one is ever gonna win every single yr not even B.Russell did that. All i'm sayin is he wasn't really 100% at age 35 in 98 with his multiple injuries like i've said to u b4. He's had other injuries too like his wrist injury in 93 so he had to wear a wrist brace most of the season & a few others. But anyways, Uhh Alex u don't have to say the exact words "better than" to act like someone is better than. Ur seriously gonna tell me u haven't been actin like Hakeem is better? Haha WOW.
HAHAHA. Hakeem at age 36 with bloodclotting injuries is supposed to start a dynasty with Pip playing all of 1 season and 54 career games together according to you? MJ and Pip didn't win a title in their first THREE years. Pip went to MVP calibre status w/o MJ! Grant made his only ASG w/o MJ. So did BJ. Grant joined Orl and they went from 1st rd. ouster to OUSTING MJ and making the Finals. And he won a title in LA. MJ is the one that lags behind Bird, Dream, Magic on impacting teamates.
@FuShengAlex MJ revolutionized & transented the game of basketball, his impact is the biggest in nba history. I look at ur comments i'm just like WOW how much MJ hatin can u get? They played at their best level wo/MJ? Umm ok thats y they didn't win the championship wo/ em. Horace grant was only a replacement all star cuz Zo mournin was hurt. All star selections don't really mean that much, i suppose u think yao ming deserved to be an all star this yr right or manu ginobili?
lol@hangtime23ful ....HoG won a title without MJ. He was a integral part to ousting MJ from a playoff run. Jordan wasn't headed anywhere far in the playoffs without Pippen either, so you aren't really saying much when you say they couldn't win without MJ.
You have Jordan Jockers are almost always going out of their way to tell everyone how no other great matches up to him? Going in Rocket threads saying Hakeem can than MJ for his 2 titles? Defending against this is hate? LOL.
lol@hangtime23ful ....HoG won a title without MJ. He was a integral part to ousting MJ from a playoff run. Jordan wasn't headed anywhere far in the playoffs without Pippen either, so you aren't really saying much when you say they couldn't win without MJ. Which player ever fell off without MJ?
Jockers are almost always going out of their way to tell everyone how inferior to him? Going in HOU threads saying Dream can than MJ for his 2 titles? Defending against this is hate? LOL.
@FuShengAlex H.Grant won a title without MJ? Umm ok robert horry won 5 titles without hakeem & mario elie won a title without hakeem too so who cares? Pippen never won without MJ & neither did paxson, b.j., kukoc, or bill carwright. I'd say MJ made pretty far in 89 when ippen was just role players by goin to the ECF. In fact otis thrope in 89 was better then pippen in 89 & those 2 were the 2 best players in 89 for hakeem & MJ & the east was a toucher competition then the west was in the 80s.
I just answered your question that is all. Oh please don't draw a comparison. hangtime23ful . Elie was a journeyman that nobody wanted before Hakeem and didn't make a difference. Horry played his best ball with Hakeem even though he won titles elsewhere. Yeah notice MJ got to the ECF....the Celts' Bird missed almost the entire season with injuries....and that franchise was set back with the death of Len Bias.
Thorpe never saw out of the 1st round outside of playing with Hakeem.
@FuShengAlex Nobody knows how good len bias would of been so please don't bring em up cuz his own fault for doin drugs & dying. The east was still a tougher competition in 89 then the west even with the celtics havin bird gone. Elie is a journeyman that nobody wanted b4 hakeem Umm ok? Elie didn't make a difference? Haha oh yeah i'm sure it didn't for the rockets beatin the suns in 95 in game 7 with elie hittin the game winner.
@hangtime23ful LMFAO! Yeah, Elie gets them past the Suns in Game 7, then goes on to average more than 16ppg in the 1995 Finals and yet he "didn't make a difference" according to Alex? Bwahahahahahaha!! Then why did they call him "Super Mario"?? Because he didn't make a difference? Enough of the blood clot excuses, bwoi... Hakeem's teammates have publicly stated who the G.O.A.T is (MJ). I guess they realize that 6 > 2! That means Jordan's Bulls were 3X better, right Alex? :-)
@RAV52 Haha yeah & alex probably ignores the fact that barkley & kevin willis joined the rockets in 96-97 with hakeem & drexler. They may have been old but so were harper, rodman, pippen, & jordan. That trio back up for hakeem were better then the trio back up jordan had. The jazz in 97 beat the rockets in 6 game, the same team jordan's bulls beat in the finals in 97 & 98 (back-to-back).
@hangtime23ful Not to mention that in 96 the Rockets were BLASTED by Kemp and Payton...Now you know good and well MJ led teams were NOT having any of that nonsense. If I recall correctly, the Reign Man put down a couple of particularly nasty dunks on Dream's dome in that series, which explains why he once again couldn't make it to the Finals to feel the wrath of Jordan. If Jordan had a team with Chuck, Glide, Thorpe and Willis, he could probably take over Afghanistan in 7 days!
@RAV52 Haha yeah, JBO & alex keep sayin hakeem would beat the bulls right? How come in 92 the rockets couldn't even reach the playoffs? In 90 they barley made it hakeem was outscored by thrope & maxwell, plus sleepy floyd scored the same amount as hakeem against the lakers in that 4 game series haha. That season hakeem played every game then in 91 hakeem plays only 56 games & the team has a 11 win increase then in 92 hakeem was able to play 14 more games from the season b4 & they missed the
hangtime23ful: "barkley & kevin willis joined the rockets in 96-97 with hakeem & drexler". Oh so having HOFers means you're supposed to win a title? Hey didn't MJ have Artis Gilmore and George Iceman Gervin as teamates? How many titles did they win according to your logic? LOL.
@FuShengAlex Haha yeah a total of 18 games with Gervin in his last season. The only reason y Hakeem did what he did in 94 was cuz Jordan left. Jordan & the bulls would of beaten the rockets in the finals. Hakeem had a better overall team than Ewing did in the finals. U guys got lucky in game 7 of the 95 WCSF with Elie hittin that game winner. If Hakeem is so much better & the players he played with wouldn't of made a difference then how come he couldn't get to the finals from 91-93?
LOL@hangtime23 "lIf Hakeem is so much better & the players he played with wouldn't of made a difference then how come he couldn't get to the finals from 91-93?"
Who on the 91-93 Rox was voted to a Dream Team like Pippen was? LOL. Don Chaney his coach during that time averaged 26 wins a year without Hakeem, he stunk...when Rudy T came things changed for the better. Phil has won 5 titles and made more Finals without MJ than MJ did without him. Hakeem carried those guys, MJ waited for Pip!
@FuShengAlex What exactly did Phil accomplish b4 Jordan? Nothin. The only reason y Phil is so successful is cuz he coaches the best player/duo in the league. In 06 & 07 he had a 1st round exit with lakers Y? Cuz they weren't a great team. Phil coached Shaq & Kobe in 00-04 & now Kobe/Gasol 08 to today. 94 Jordan left & they lost in the 2nd orund. See that? When Phil doesn't have the best player or duo he's not anything special.
lol@hangtime23ful ....Phil won a CBA title b4 MJ. MJ ran Doug Collins who was a great coach out of CHI. What were Shaq/Kobe doing b4 Phil? Getting their tails handed to them. He joins and they 3peat,lol. So there you have it, MJ had a coach that won 5 titles without him. Hakeem had Don Chaney who averaged all of 26 wins without him. 88-91? Once Rudy T came, he cut down on guys like Maxwell trying to take over the offence, and they got rid of deadweight like Sleepy Floyd.
@FuShengAlex Excuses excuses excuses now ur gonna blame the coach for em havin 1st round exits from 88-91? Jordan was not Jordan in college Alex like i've told u b4. He was a good player but improved on his game completely when he reached the nba which is where ur career is at not college. & last time i checked Jordan won college player of the yr in 84 & hit the game winner in the 82 NCAA championship & he was a freshman so he did good in college anyways. Isiah, Glen Rice, Ewing, Melo, have won
@FuShengAlex also if college means that much to u Hakeem teammed up with Ralph Shampson who won college player of the yr 3 str8 yrs. Also in 95 u can thank Elie for that game winner in the final game of the WCSF. If he doesn't hit that shot chances r the rockets don't return to the finals.
@FuShengAlex was. Jordan also in 93 wore a wrist brace cuz of his wrist injury in 93 & hurt it a few times in the playoffs plus sprainin his ankle. Haha there goes every Jordan hater comin up with the excuse of Jordan gettin calls in his favor all the time.
@FuShengAlex Haha Alex, Gilmore left the bulls in 82 which was b4 Jordan got there & he came back in 88 which was his last season & only played 24 games.
@RAV52 playoffs with havin a 10 win decrease. Then in 93 mr.clutch robert horry comes & the rockets getta 13 win increase. Then in 94 sam cassell & mario elie come & jordan leaves the bulls. Alex brags all the time about how everybody else on the team was just a role player yet in the 90 playoffs against the lakers 2 of hakeem's teammates scored more pts & another 1 of his teammates matched em in pts. Jordan was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series.
@hangtime23ful You know your stuff, HT23. I understand Alex loves Dream, and on the real so do I, but the truth is staring him in the face and he still denies it. The Dream is my favorite center of all time, although I think he underachieved at times and could have done more. I never had that feeling with Jordan. In fact I always looked at Mike like, "Damn, how can any human being be that greedy for winning championships?!!" NOBODY in the NBA was on Jordan's level in his prime. Not even Hakeem.
@RAV52 Yeah hakeem is my favorite center ever in fact my 3rd favorite player ever from any position. Yes hakeem is underachieved. Hakeem is better then wilt, b.russell, & shaq. I have a hard time decidin between him & kareem of who's the best center ever. Hakeem winnin a ring with the team's 2nd option just a role player is very impressive but alex is completely bias towards hakeem & overrates em which is y i have a hard time given hakeem credit when i debate against em.
@hangtime23ful I'd give Kareem the slight nod over Olajuwon, but not by much. Kareem in his prime was the only player who made Wilt say, "Uh Oh...This cat's gonna be trouble!" He was able to dominate both early and late in his career, even when his athleticism was no longer dominant. Kinda like MJ.
@RAV52 Haha bro it took Alex a month to reply back to us on this vid. He had to think LONG & HARD for his counter posts which r pathetic as usual so it doesn't make a difference. He just wants to think & believe that Hakeem's title seasons weren't flukes of cuz Jordan leavin.
@hangtime23ful I give Hakeem full props for being a Hall of Fame center and for taking advantage of Jordan's absence, which nobody else did successfully during those two years, but after 1990, Mike went from dominating the entire league individually to collecting championship trophies at will. Never saw a Finals series he didn't dominate and never saw a Game 7 in the Finals because he was just that damn sick. It was Jordan's ERA and the other players during that time were merely footnotes.
@FuShengAlex Yeah but Hakeem was able to win without a robin in 94 if he was that great & didn't need a robin to get to the finals how come he had 1st round exits from 88-91 plus not makin the playoffs in 92? The 93 supportin cast was pretty much the same & u said Elie wouldn't of made a difference & was a journeymen so how come they lost in the 2nd round that yr?
hangtime23ful "How come they lost in the 2nd round in 93"
That series went 7 games on the road vs. a superior SEA team. What did MJ do? He shot 39% vs. the Knicks in the same year and won? How is that being invincible? Ask youself...could Hakeem ever shoot 39% from the floor and win a series? NEVER!!! MJ was lucky to have Pippen offset his LOUSY performances in that series, or they wouldn't have won. Hakeem didn't have that in 93. 8 of 24 in a closeout game by MJ? LOL
@FuShengAlex The 93 rockets pretty much had the same supportin cast in 94. If they were able to beat team sin 94 with less talent then how come they lost to the sonics in 93? So what if it went 7 games? The 94 suns were the defendin west champs while the sonics in 93 have not done anything. Yeah 8 for 24 but he dished out 9 ast, got 3 stls, 2 blks, & 25pts overall which was the most pts for the bulls in that game. So he didn't suck overall just his shootin alone.
@FuShengAlex I 4got to mention about ur comment on Jordan shootin 8 for 24 in game 6 of the 93 ECF. Hakeem in the 94 nba finals game 7 shot 10 for 25 & his team still won which was an even bigger game cuz it was a game 7 in the nba finals while Jordan's bulls were up 3-2 in game 6 of the 93 ECF.
HAHA@hangtime23ful ...You DARE compare Dream in 94 to MJ in 93 vs. NY? All you can point out is a bad game here or there during his title years, which was a rarity. He was NEVER subpar over the course of a series like MJ was vs. NY. His job was tougher, he had no "true" sidekick in Pip to give him a adv when he was subpar. And he was matched head 2 head against Ewing who he limited more than MJ did vs. anyone great...EVER. MJ could barely figure out a ex-grocery bagger in '93,LOL.
@FuShengAlex this about Jordan. "There is no such thing as perfection when your taking a look at college kids, ask those 4 NFL teams that drafted quarterbacks ahead of Dan Marino about that. Because this man (Jordan) certainly has turned out to be the best much as Marino." Alex Jordan shot 40% not 39% just to correct u. U only went by fg% & ur not lookin his overall game, he still led his team in pts in 5 outta those 6 games. 32.6ppg, 6.2rpg, 7.0apg, 2.33spg, 1.0bpg, 3pt 40%, ft 86.8%.
@FuShengAlex Yes Pippen did hit some big shots but u cannot say Jordan didn't do anything to help his team win that game by playin great D got 3 stls the most for the bulls, 2 blks tied for the most for the bulls, & 9 ast also the most for the bulls. Like Pippen said after game 6 even when Jordan doesn't have a good shootin game he still can helps alot to win the game by drawin double & dishes out ast to open players.
@FuShengAlex Not really. Regular season wins are nice, but in those games, Jordan still dominated by any reasonable standard and won titles when it counted, so in essence he dominated not only Hakeem, but the ENTIRE LEAGUE. Jordan no longer saw a challenge in the NBA so he tried something new, giving Dream a chance to redeem the two championships he squandered in college to Valvano's Wolfpack and Ewing's Hoyas. Jordan was, after all, a kind and generous ruler.
RAV52 Oh please Dream overachieved in 84 to get nobodies to the title game vs. Ewing and his team of future NBAers..Lets not even talk of MJ's college career where he was CARRIED to a title by Worthy. When he was the "man" he was a underachiever that couldn't even sniff a Final 4 despite having a NBA starting 5 over the span of 2 years. Smith, Brad Daugherty, Joe Wolf and Sam Perkins. I guess that's why we told him to take a seat behind the superior defensive force and team player in 84.
@FuShengAlex most outstandin player when they won the NCAA title as well r they better than Jordan? U keep talkin about how Hakeem was able to win a ring without a robin & that Jordan never did. Yet it was the same season that Jordan was gone that Hakeem was able to do that. If Jordan was there in 94 the rockets would NOT have won the title. 95 the magic wouldn't of been a threat cuz i highly doubt H.Grant would of left the bulls after a 4peat.
hangtime23ful....yeah more myths from you,lol. How do you KNOW Grant wouldn't have left? Because MJ would tell Krause what to do, yeah sure. The same Krause that told MJ to go away when he asked him to select Joe Wolf in the '87 draft, then MJ blew a fuse when Krause selected the unknown Pippen in the same draft? MJ could barely scrape by Ewing, needing to be BAILED out by Pip, got his tail sent packing by Shaq..but Hakeem who was SUPERIOR to either of those 2 had no chance? LOL.
@FuShengAlex Alex ask ur self if u were apart of a team that won a 4peat & the next season ur team is gonna go for another title while u were a key part of their success would u just leave? The draft is completely different cuz nobody really knows how could Pippen or Wolf was gonna be. Its just guessin on college players. For example this is what an announcer said durin a reg. season game in 91 when the bulls were facin the nets & they were talkin about the top 5 picks in the 84 draft & said
@FuShengAlex Jordan shot the ball at an avg of 25.8 in that series. If Reggie shot that much against the knicks he wouldn't have a good shootin % either. Reggie doesn't draw double/triple teams as much as Jordan does & u know that. Reggie is mainly a jump shootin while Jordan can score a lot off the dribble.
@FuShengAlex Alex the reason y i brought game 7 of the 94 finals is cuz u honestly believe that Hakeem didn't have help then his team wouldn't have won game 7 by goin 10 for 25. Hakeem is not the only one to get to the finals with just role players. Ewing did the same thing in 94, Iverson did that in 01 & his team was the only team to pull out a victory against the lakers that playoff season & u can even argue the fact that Dwight did that for the magic in 09. R they better than Jordan?
Oh please.....Iverson/D12 didn't really beat teams that were more talented than they were in those playoffs like Hakeem did in '94.
The 94 Suns had 5 different 14+ppg scorers, The Utah Jazz had a 1st team all-NBA PF and PG. Tim Duncan in '03 was probably on par with Hakeem in 94....so was Rick Barry in 75. Jordan NEVER played at any of those levels in the playoffs when he was winning.....EVER!
@FuShengAlex Well actually the 01 bucks were more talented than the 01 76ers but they still won. Oh yeah LeBron got to the finals in 07 & had no buisness beatin the more talented pistons. Jordan played at a level better then anybody in 98 at age 35 with a bad back, tendonitis in both knees, 2 torn ligaments in his finger, & a cracked knuckle on his shootin hand but played every game, with Pippen injured, missin half the season, & not 100% in the playoffs or finals.
@FuShengAlex start with the gamblin thing he left cuz of the death of his father. Durin the celebration after the 93 title Jordan to the bulls fans "destiny shall be back here for the 4th time". Then in august his dad dies & he was with the team gettin ready for the preseason in early october but then decides to call it quits cuz he had nothin else to prove. Jordan was already considered the GOAT after the 93 title Alex.
@FuShengAlex Jordan was basically the co-head coach for the bulls cuz he's the one tellin his team what to do, he yelled at em, they feared Jordan & he was the standard they had to live up to, he threated em like sayin "if u do that again i'm gonna break both ur legs". Michael Jeffery Jordan is the GREATEST basketball player to ever play this game, the nba says it, the experts say it, the world knows it. Last time i checked Jordan is the FACE of basketball NOT Hakeem.
@FuShengAlex Also in game 2 of the 93 ECF the announcer said this about Jordan. "He (Jordan) has to carry this team he's the focal point, Pippen is terrific & he's done a good job but this is man, Patrick Ewing has a lot more help then Jordan does."
hangtime23ful Ewing has a lot more help than MJ does? Dude are you kidding? LOL. His next best player was Starks who choked almost every year at some point in the playoffs when it mattered. Jordan had prime HOFer Pippen. Where's the perennial all-star Ewing had in that era like MJ did?. Grant was a perennial all-def team member from 92-96....all the Knicks forwards could do was mug guys and call that D. If you swapped Pippen with Starks ....would Jordan ever beat the Knicks? LOL.
@FuShengAlex Haha Alex Jordan, Pippen, H.Grant, & B.J. were the only 4 players that basically did everything that season for the bulls. 4 guys is not gonna cut it Ewing had more dept. Starks, Oakley, Mason, Blackman, C.Smith, Rivers, Anthony. All u do is consistently OVERRATED!!! Pippen as if he was some all mighty god. Who cares he's just one player, yeah he's a great all around player no doubt ur overratin em WAY TOO MUCH. Pippen was a poor 3pt shooter that season & as usual at free throws.
@FuShengAlex Dude please don't bring up Jerry Krause yes he ended up makin the right decision in gettin Pippen but he's also the one that traded Oakley for Cartwirght which was dumb. He's the one that split that team in 98 cuz of his own ego in wantin to try & prove he could create a completely different team & win.
@FuShengAlex Phi Slamma Jamma underachievers? Now who's kidding who? LOL... You know damn well if the Rockets knew then what they know now they would've picked Jordan first. I can't believe you actually place your argument on who stupid general managers think is the best player in any given draft, especially since they more often than not get it WRONG. That year, Houston and Portland got it WRONG, although the Rockets did get the second-best player with their #1 pick.
LOL@RAV52 ....Yeah sure. A wrong and "stupid" pick is someone who was a career bust and a underachiever vs. someone who had a perennial All-Star/HOF career.
Judging by the amount of ENDLESS videos of Hakeem batting Jordan around, MJ whining to media about not being able to figure out Hakeem in '93, and oh yeah MJ's career SUB .500 record vs. Hakeem unbiasedly I must say, so long as MJ stepped on the court vs. the Rox he was more often than not the second best player on the floor.
@FuShengAlex Lookin at those numbers from the 93 ECF ur gonna tell me Jordan played lousy cuz of his overall fg%? Since u want to talk about fg% in game 4 in a must needed win bein down 2-1 Pippen shot a lousy 28.6% while Jordan completely dominated the game by goin 18-30 (fg 60%), 6-9 3pt, made 54pts which was more than half of the bulls pts. Game 5 Jordan gets a triple double in which he had 14 of the 19 ast for the bulls. Game he scored 25pts which was the most for the bulls in that game.
@FuShengAlex Banners in the rafters, bro...Jordan has 3X more than Hakeem. The GOAT didn't need to figure out Hakeem because evidently the Rockets weren't good enough to make it to the Finals all those years Jordan was there in the 90s. I'm sure Jordan was thinking, "Where's Hakeem?" when Choke City sat at home in 91', 92', 93', 96', 97' and 98' while the Bulls beat down the teams who beat down Houston...hahahaha
@FuShengAlex Alex Jordan missed 64 games in 86 don't act stupid. Alex idk if u've heard but Jordan is number 1 all time in player efficiency ratin & he's a guard. Jordan kept consistently leadin in efficiency ratin, win shares, win shares per 48mins, off. win shares, scorin champ, top 1-3 in steals, top 4-6 in def. win shares. YR AFTER YR AFTER YR. He was the one contirbutin more for his team then ANYBODY ELSE. Ur stupid argument about Pippen is beyond pathetic to try & downgrade Jordan.
@FuShengAlex If by "cried his tail to the media about not being able to figure out the Rockets" you mean, WINNING HIS THIRD CONSECUTIVE NBA TITLE AND FINALS MVP TROPHY, I agree with you ...
@RAV52 1 maybe 2 rings. The reality is Pippen came at the right time, i mean that's basically what it is its all about timin. If Jordan was there in 94 Hakeem's 94 season would of been nothin but the same for Iverson in 01, LeBron in 07, arguably Dwight in 09, & Ewing in 94.
@hangtime23ful Right, HT23... Pippen was pushed to his full potential by Jordan. He knew MJ wouldn't settle for less, so it was either sink or swim being his teammate. You saw that he could be a very good player without Mike, but with Jordan he became elite and didn't have to worry about the pressure of doing the heavy lifting himself. Having the GOAT as your teammate is one helluva safety net that allows you to play more freely and take defensive/offensive risks you wouldn't normally...
@hangtime23ful I've always said that if Jordan ever played on the same team with a dominant big man like, say, Ewing for example, he could have easily pulled off a Bill Russell-like dynasty of 10 or more championships. The fact that he won 3 Rings on 2 separate occassions WITHOUT a dominant big man AFTER retiring once is simply astounding. I can't think of another modern player who could have pulled it off.
@RAV52 Haha yeah Jordan & Ewing would be crazy good together. Jordan & Hakeem to me would be the best combo in team play. They r definitely the 2 most skilled players ever at their position & the best defenders ever at their position. U double Hakeem then Jordan is wide open on the perimeter & if u double Jordan then u leave Hakeem is open in the post. That would be a nightmare for teams it would = double digit titles.
@hangtime23ful Well seeing as how they came out in the same draft, it would've been pretty much impossible for Dream and Mike to play on the same team... Not to mention unfair as Hell to the rest of the League! I've watched how well Jordan and Ewing interacted over the years in All-Star games and on the one and only DREAM TEAM and watching them on the court at the same time was amazing...
lol@hangtime23ful....who has called MJ goat? You lied. Pat Riley has called Kareem the GOAT. Wilt didn't consider MJ goat....nor did Oscar. Ho.Grant said he and Kobe were equal....LOL. So much for popular opinion. Oh yeah I've never seen Hakeem ever refer to MJ as GOAT either.
Are these guys all haters because they don't call MJ GOAT? LOL.
@FuShengAlex Haha Alex who did Pat Riley retire their jersey number from the heat even though he never played there? Jordan's number & here's where he said Jordan will always be the best of the best of the best.
/watch?v=rDY664J3Vew
Wilt said he would avg 70ppg against the 90s players & Oscar said LeBron is in a class by himself. Both have provin to be ignorant. Basically Oscar loves LeBron cuz he's nothin but stat man like him. Rarely will u ever see an experts say Jordans not the GOAT.
lol@hangtime23ful "Jordan is obviously better than Kobe."
I Agree.....but on second thought .....Like I even care about Kobe Bryant....I don't even know why you'd bring his name into this. But we all know how insecure/heated Jordan Jockers become at the mere mention of his name on youtube, LOL.
@FuShengAlex I don't have a problem puttin guys on Jordan's level, guys like Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, but ur arguments is based off of u can have a few great seasons with no help & ppl that played with great players r not aloud cuz we must fault them for playin with great players. I don't fault players for playin with other great players & cuz just how it is & its based off of timin of when they play together. Jordan could win a ring without Pippen if he played his entire career without em.
@FuShengAlex I mainly look at consistency, accomplishments, & how much u contribute for ur team. I don't take anything away from great seasons like Hakeem had in 94 & 95 cuz i go by that a little bit as well. Hakeem winnin without a robin in 94 is ONE of the things y i put em high on my list but its not the only thing, mainly cuz he's consistent on both ends of the floor. Most skilled center clearly, GOAT shotblocker, great at gettin stls for a center.
@FuShengAlex Goin back on the pentalizin things on great players. If i was gonna act like u & this is just pretend speakin then i would way Bird is better than Magic cuz Magic had a better team & a better robin player. Kareem never won without the 2 best PGs ever. Plus Magic was the leader & Kareem only pulled out 1 finals mvp while Jordan won all 6. When Kareem left the bucks their record was the exact same. & now i'm done pretendin. I would like add that the 70s was not as competitive as the
@FuShengAlex Hahahaha Alex Riley calls Jordan the GOAT. I have a 2 vids of em sayin it. Ur excuses will never stop will they. Maybe he said that b4 Jordan was winnin but after now that Jordan has done what he's done Riley & everybody else knows Jordan's the GOAT. U will nitpick at anything humanly possible & say whatever comes up in ur mind to say cuz u can't stand Jordan. I only said they were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence but he still played against great teams & won. But the reality
hangtime23ful ....Oh so now that you've been proven wrong it's now "when" Pat said Kareem is GOAT,lol.
A guy that scores 33ppg thorughout a playoff run (more than 4 of 6 of MJ's title runs) matched against HOFers on top of their game is no "fluke". Jordan absent? Yeah I guess this is why,lol: /watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w
@FuShengAlex Alex ur bias feelin towards Hakeem is beyond redicilous, the only reason y u think this way about Hakeem is cuz he was a rockets player. If Jordan was drafted 1st & played with the rockets u would of loved em & would care less if Hakeem went to the blazers or bullsor whatever. U defend Jordan just like the reast of the Jordan fans on here. Its hard for u to think that way cuz it wasn't the case. Jordan playin for the bulls doesn't affect me on y he's my favorite player.
@FuShengAlex Haha exactly where did u think Riley thought he called Kareem the GOAT? That comment just proves u know nothin. Here's another vid of Riley talkin about Jordan's game & tellin y he retired of his jersey number cuz he wanted to respect the best of the best.
SMH@hangtime23ful "Haha exactly where did u think Riley thought he called Kareem the GOAT? "
Riley on Jabbar: "Why judge anymore? When a man has broken records, won championships, endured tremendous criticism and responsibility, why judge? Let's toast him as the greatest player ever." Am I lying? LOL.
@FuShengAlex Alex did u not even go to those links i posted to u? Pat Riley is CLEARLY statein that Jordan is the best of the best. So yeah exactly u r lying cuz i found 2 vids of Riley sayin Jordans the GOAT. U have been provin wrong. U know Alex its funny ur NOT gonna pentalize Kareem for playin the best PGs ever Magic & Oscar & on top of that he wasn't even the leader when Magic came & he missed the last game of the 80 finals while Magic played center & won finals mvp.
LOL@hangtime23ful ....I showed you a QUOTE from Riley where he called KAREEM the GOAT as well. Feel free to look on Jabbar's NBA bio page to see I wasn't lying....it's in BOLD letters. So no I haven't been proven wrong whether I did or didn't watch your video. Riley contradicted you and himself.
@FuShengAlex : in a kobe bryant video, pat riley says "well to me jordan will always be the best of the best of the best"....& grant knows jordan is better than kobe.
imsljr420 .....why don't you continue trolling on the Kobe pages like you always do? I never said Riley didn't call MJ the GOAT....I said he ALSO called Kareem the GOAT and showed proof. Leave me alone.
@FuShengAlex : im sorry...i didn't mean to make you cry....btw i like how you're on mikenot's page kissing ass like a little bitch...."gee mikenot, im really worried about you guys"
@FuShengAlex LMAO u would be friends with a clown like mikenot. All u gotta do is change his name from "mikenotnumber1" to "mikeisnumber1" (which is what i do) when commentin to em & he'll EXPLODE with insults. He has absolutely no basketball knowledge whatsoever. He pretty much screams to ppl on youtube with his comments when they disagree with em. Heck sometimes i'll just say anything to make em start goin crazy cuz its so frickin entertainin & HILARIOUS to do.
hangtime23ful,....me and him talk of things unrelated to basketball. Real funny, one of "your friends" is so "brave" he once came on my page to start slanging nonsense and then I realize that he's only man enough to accept comments from his friends and censors out anyone that disagrees.....just like that joke account "theBruceBlitzChannel" LOL.
@FuFairy Really unrelated to basketball? The comments he leaves on ur channel look pretty related to basketball to me & the comment u left on his channel. Btw he stalks me sometimes haha no joke, when i comment somewhere he follows & leaves a comment on there to me cuz he's a physcotic creapy wack job. Mikenot is friends with that even bigger clown "thebruceblitzchennel" aka alpha wolf. Its so much fun to own both of em & fun to see the sorry pathetic comebacks they have just like urs.
hangtime23ful ....Hmmm...it isn't my job to police what he does or doesn't. And what do you know about our convo's? He's a psychotic creepy wack job according to you.....but you still troll to see what he's talking about? If you go to a restaurant and end up with food poisoning do you go back and eat at the same spot and complain? Yeah why are you on my page, why do our convo's concern you? Are you in PM world too tracing what's being discussed Mr Knowitall? LOL.
@FuFairy Haha Alex everybody looks at ppl's pages that's not creapy y do u think everyone has a lotta channel views? U said mikenot & u don't talk about basketball so i looked for myself but it seems like u guys do. I don't comment randomly to mikenot of where he posts at on vids. He was doin that to me & it got kinda annoyin.
Mikenot = clown
Alex u & i both know who thinks they're the mr knowitall & we know its not me.
@FuFairy LMAO u know i can just comment to u on a vid right? Awww poor lil fairy boy runnin away from me? Try blockin me now. I love how u didn't answer any of my questions in fact u do that most of the time which only proves u don't have an answer for most of what i say. Yeah thanks for the vid that merkiny fool calls the 90s waterdown wanna know y? Cuz he's a celtics fan which is typical for both celtics & laker fans. Do u agree with that merkiny fool that the 90s was waterdown?
@FuFairy U use stats for ur argument & but when they don't favor u u make excuses & tell me to stop goin by a statbook & watch the game. That right there proves ur nothin but a hypocite. Ur argument is weak & always has been. U blocked me from ur page which proves i win cuz u can't handle me anymore. If u wanna keep goin lets keep goin so i can own u some more.
You come on my page to deride Hakeem/Rockets and their 2 titles....meanwhile your Suns in more than FIFTY years have as many titles as the Bobcats,LOL. All you can do is run around here holding MJ's schlong because your franchise is known for failure. 94 and 95 they choked BIG leads.
The Suns are the only NBA franchise that has a openly gay fruitcake running the team guess that's why their so soft when it matters most I heard he wants to rename them: "The Phoenix Flaming Homos" HA HA.
@FuFairy The was waterdown in the 90s at the end? Oh yeah y am i not surprise u would say at the end cuz the rockets won in the mid 90s. Haha yeah the 90s sure waterdown alright at the end of the decade cuz Hakeem & the rockets got knocked outta the playoffs. No Hakeem old excuse K.Malone/Stockton were old too & swepted a prime Shaq & the rest of the 98 lakers young athletic lakers that featured 4 all stars.
"The Suns are the only NBA franchise that has a openly gay fruitcake running the team guess that's why their so soft when it matters most I heard he wants to rename them: "The Phoenix Flaming Homos" HA HA"
Hmm r u sayin that cuz u really believe that or cuz i'm a suns fan? Would u say that if i was a jazz, knicks, hornets, fan or a fan of any other team? See Alex comment like that show me how much u know i'm right of what i say to u.
@FuFairy U r so caught up about that 94 season & always say to ur self "Hakeem won with robin Hakeem won without a robin etc etc". I bet ever since that happens u look at teams & say to ur self "well that team may have better role players & a better all around team from top to bottom but that other teams has those 2 or 3 great players even tho their role players aren't better but they're cuz of those 2-3 guys. U will NEVER understand the difference, u have no basketball knowledge AT ALL.
@FuFairy & to actually comment what u said to me on ur page. Jordan only had a losin record in 86 of his injuries. 85 & 87 were in his early yrs. Jordan wasn't the GOAT by this time & he was still improvin, he was leadin em to winnin season b4 Pippen even became a robin type player. So u & i won't ever know the records what Jordan would of led his team if he didn't have a robin type player. It Hakeem his 10th season to win so how do u know Jordan couldn't win until his 10th yr if he played
@FuFairy If u truly knew anything about basketball its a team game 5on5 with 7 guys on the bench. Havin a great player on ur team doesn't automatically mean better team. Durant has Westbrook someone that Dirk doesn't have but clearly u can see Dirk has the better all around team from top to bottom. Understand the difference.
@FuFairy LeBron led his team to 66 & 61 wins with the cavs his last 2 seasons there with not that good of help then he goes to the heat with Wade & Bosh, & what do u know they only won 58 games. Hmm that's interestin.
hangtime23ful ....child I'm not even going to read through your gibberish. You didn't make anyone cry on my page. You just made a fool of yourself. Your arguments are fit for young Kobe homers. You can't carry yourself in a cordial manner. ...you are out of your element talking to me Jocker boy. And I KNOW you miss coming on my page.
@FuFairy I make a fool outta myself? Really Alex? I would LOVE to see u take ur logic to guys like Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Hubie Brown, etc & see what they think of ur beliefs. U act like ur logic is what normal ppl would believe yet a lot of ppl tell u ur an idiot (which u r). Just cuz u watched the games back then doesn't mean ur right cuz almost everyone who watched the games back then will tell u otherwise. Btw since u like to talk about lousy shootin & about Worthy's injuries
@FuFairy & for ur age i feel VERY sorry that ur so delusional like this & can't think str8 to actually see what team is TRULY better than the other team. Since Durant had Westbrook does he have a better team than Dirk's mavs? Cuz Dirk doesn't have a player like Westbrook on his team & like i've said many times about LeBron's supportin cast Wade/Bosh bein better than the lakers which everyone knows is wrong.
@FuFairy Mikenot has said the same thing i guess u agree with em too right? Hahaha u know what? Ppl like, u, mikenot, merkiny, etc all have different beliefs but u guys just love to talk crap & hate on Jordan cuz he's considered the GOAT in most ppl's eyes. If Magic, Bird, Wilt, B.Russell, etc were considered the GOAT in most ppl's eyes guess who would the bias ppl be hatin on the most? Exactly. U guys just love to gang up nobody what ur beliefs r to hate on Jordan, its quite funny.
@FuFairy throughout his whole time without a robin? What was he suppost to do just shift off Pippen cuz he was gettin good? "Oh no Pippen ur gettin too good now we have to shift u away". its not like Jordan's team was so unbelieveable from top to bottom. No true big men, no true PG, just him, Pippen, & then H.Grant durin the 1st 3peat then Rodman/Kukoc the 2nd 3peat. Hakeem had better guards & a better PF in 94. Btw u never answered my question on LeBron havin a better team than the lakers.
@FuShengAlex : you just send me to a page where you're getting owned "FuShitHeadAlex" lol....don't go back to that page, it will make you cry seeing how many thumbs down you have.
LOL@imsljr420 ....Boo hoo, the Jordan Jockers are so offended to see their star get schooled by the GOAT shotblocker that they're left no choice but to have different user names and spam everything.
@FuFairy The fact that u guys hate on Jordan & talk crap about em SO MUCH is cuz u know he's the GOAT but u just can't stand it cuz he didnt play for ur team & u want the player that played for ur team be considered the GOAT. Unlike me sure yeah i'm a hugh Jordan fan but he didn't play for my team but there r some insanely bias fans towards their players & their teams & will at all lengths to hate on another player. I'm just glad i don't think the way u guys do.
@RAV52 I really feel that the spurs did my suns team a favor last yr by beaten the mavs cuz i don't think the suns would of won. I'm not sayin the playoffs is always rock paper scissors but i can be sometimes mainly if it causes home court advantage.
And where was MJ in 86 rav52? Not even good enough to be above .500? Where was he in 94? Gambling and messing around with extra marital affairs and being a lousy baseballplayer? And were was MJ in 95? Taking notes from Hakeem on how to sweep the Magic.....LOL.
@FuShengAlex & last time i checked Alex. Magic, Bird, Shaq, Isiah, Dumars, Barkley, Reggie Miller, Mchale, C.Webb, B.Russell, Dr.J, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, CP3, Horry, Pat Riley, George Karl, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, the list goes on & on all of these guys call Jordan the GOAT. Ur just a pathetic fan with bias opinion towards Hakeem.
@FuShengAlex All those experts of the game witness Hakeem's GODLY SEASON that u LOVE to act like he had & they're not dumb enough to NOT realize that those 2 seasons were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence. Even Shaq said in 95 they were goin up against a baseball shape Jordan & of course ur not gonna wanna buy into that cuz u wanna find some way to believe the rockets would of beaten the bulls at full strength. Ur just pissed off cuz the rockets could only win cuz of Jordan bein gone & don't even
@hangtime23ful I'm actually HAPPY that Jordan took two years off, because I really wanted Hakeem to win a ring and I knew it wouldn't happen if the GOAT was around! Everything worked out perfect for fans of both players like myself, yet I would never Dream of saying dude was equal to Jordan...
@RAV52 U can tell someone has no argument left when they ignore at least half the things u tell em. I really hate to talk like this about my favorite center of all time & 3rd favorite overall of all time but Alex just gets way too rediclious. His main argument is to completely overrate Pippen who only was that great of a player cuz of Jordan which is what Phil Jackson has said b4, its a known thing. If Jordan went through his whole career without Pippen i'm pretty sure he could pull off at least
@RAV52 If u look at that 94 season the rockets probably lucked out when the 1st seed sonics lost to the 8th seed nuggets. That was a fluke series & sometimes in the playoffs some teams beaten another is doin another team a favor. 93 the sonics beat the rockets when the supportin cast were the same for both teams. If the 93 suns didn't comeback to beat the lakers, the lakers would of lost to the spurs or sonics. Like in 07 the warriors did the jazz a favor by killin the mavs in the 1st round.
More revisionist history from you...RAV52 "I'm actually HAPPY that Jordan took two years off" .
No he didn't take 2 years off.....let me refresh your memory with this that happened the year that Hakeem won his second title: watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w Its titled "Michael Jordan chokes in the playoffs" The 95 playoffs btw,lol.
Those 2 seasons were flukes? Hakeem swept a NBA Finals....how come the so-called GOAT Jordan never did this. MJ in 98 playoffs GOAT performance to you? LOL, They faced ZERO HOFer lead teams in the 1st 2 rounds. In the ECF, MJ was SCARED of guarding Reggie, that's why Harper did almost all the defensive work. In the Finals he had to get by on the refs whistle for more lousy shooting. Hakeem in 95 DWARFS ANY MJ run!
@FuShengAlex Alex those were the 1st 2 rounds so what? Once again u pentalize Jordan for something that wasn't his fault. Its not like the nets or hornets had chance anyways that happens most of the time when a 8th & 4th seed face a 1st seed. Yeah exactly it was a GOAT peformance in the finals with Pippen missin half the game in game 6. Pippen's injured back is what caused Jordan to put the team on his back & he's the one that brought the game within one stole the ball from K.Malone then
@FuShengAlex 80s & 90s & Kareem could only win once. Alex ur logics r very confusin & totally based on pentalizin players & get str8 hatin on players that u need to downgrade in order to make another look better.
@hangtime23ful Stop it HT23... You're making waaaaaay too much sense. Alex left the land of logic with this debate a loooooong time ago. Any way you hash it, amongst their PEERS & COACHES, meaning the people who played and coached with and against both players, Michael Jordan is almost unanimously considered the greater player. If Hakeem's own teammates say that it's so, then the book is pretty much closed.
hangtime23ful ....oh please. There's NO WAY MJ wins 6 Finals MVPs with Magic. They put egos aside and didn't care who was "the man". Kareem won a Finals MVP at age 38 vs. a HOF frontcourt. And he battled the Twin Towers in 86 by himself and did well for his age. He faced TOUGHER head 2 head competition in his career than MJ could ever dream of.
I find it funny you call "hating" and you're going about here trying to show the many ways how "X" player fails to matchup to MJ,lol.
@FuShengAlex was they were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence. Hahahaha Alex game 6 of the 98 finals is rated number 1 so no matter what u say will never change that. No unbias fan is ever gonna tell u Hakeem is better than Jordan. Most ppl in the world would pick Jordan 1st & even if they don't pick Jordan 1st they wouldn't pick Hakeem > Jordan unless they're bias rocket fans.
@FuShengAlex Alex there was no question of who the best player was in Jordan's era. This what Magic said "Larry Bird & i started it off we thought we had something special until this guy named Michael Jordan came into the league." Bird said Jordan was god disguied as a basketball player. If Hakeem is so superior then they would say he's better BUT THEY DON'T. NOBODY IN THE NBA DOES.
@FuShengAlex Alex the reason y i ask y u would consider Kareem better than Hakeem but not Jordan is cuz by all the things i've said about Kareem its hard for me to understand ur logic. U pentalize Jordan for havin Pippen but Kareem for the teammmates he had which were better.
hangtime23ful ....If Jordan is GOD then I'm an atheist". LOL If MJ was "GOD" I wouldn't be seeing Hakeem batting him around in most of these videos. I do not believe one man in a TEAM sport with different positions stands above anyone else....that's for you Jordan Jockers to crow over, and none of your "ex-players'" opinions will ever change that. Kareem played the same role as Hakeem, but slightly better.....Jordan didn't he was a shooting guard. Jordan is the GOAT shooting guard.
@FuShengAlex Alex Riley said Jordans the GOAT after showin u 2 vids when both of Kareem & Jordans careers r done he said Jordans the GOAT & i gave u 2 vids of em actually comin out & sayin it. Riley retired Jordan's number from the heat team even though Jordan never played there cuz he wants to respect the best of the best. Exactly how have i been provin wrong? Haha ur pathetic. I never said Jordan is god just that Jordans the GOAT. But u think Pippen & Hakeem r gods.
hangtime23ful ..Funny how the only one making "better than" or GOAT statements is you.....running around copying and pasting comments: "OH NOBODY'S CALLED HAKEEM THE GOAT, BUT "X" PLAYER HAS CALLED MJ GOAT". I have never called Hakeem better than MJ....I have never called him GOAT. I only compare Hakeem with Centers. Jordan is a shooting guard his role was different. Your agenda isn't working.
@FuShengAlex Alex u said that if Rox management were to go back & redo the draft they would pick Hakeem 1st again & u said u would do the same. So by that comment ur tellin me u would take Hakeem > Jordan. That basically means u think Hakeem is better. Oh whatever Alex don't try to lie to me. U & everyone else knows u think Hakeem is better than Jordan otherwise u wouldn't be actin like this towards Jordan & Hakeem. I never said Jordan was not heathly is whole career.
@FuShengAlex I'm a suns fan, so if Jordan went to the rockets, blazers, or any other team besides the bulls he would still be my favorite player. He's my favorite player cuz he like game, his competitiveness, his will to win, passion of the game, etc. Yeah just keep sayin Kareem is better than Hakeem but not Jordan by pentalizin Jordan for havin Pippen even though Kareem played with a way better team & players like Magic & Oscar. U know what i think Alex? I think u don't really care to hate on
@FuShengAlex Pippen was only that great of a player cuz Jordan made em that great of a player & Pippen has gone on record to say that. Jordan is the one that worked his butt off HARD to make his teammates better. He always got pissed off in practice when they weren't doin what they were suppost to be doin. He was so hard on his teammates which is y his teammates hated em so much for that. Jordan did NOT aloud a non 100% effort from his teammates.
@FuShengAlex In 86 he was recovering from a broken foot while carrying Dave Corzine, Brad Sellers and a team full of stiffs to the playoffs AGAIN (Something he would do EVERY year he was in a Bulls uniform)... The rest of that stuff you said was just you showing your Jordan-Envy...LOL But rest assured, you sat there and watched as the GOAT owned the decade of the 90s with TWO THREE-PEATS... Even Hakeem has to bow down to that!
Quit while you're behind RAV52.....that 86 season came in the midst of losing seasons by the Bulls so it's not like even if MJ was healthy they'd have finished above .500. Funny you call Hakeem a underachiever in the early 90s when MJ was finishing with WORSE records in the same position as Hakeem during those years. So what does that make MJ.....a bigger underachiever by your logic? LOL.
Hakeem bow down where? Show where on these videos MJ has Hakeem bowing down?
@FuShengAlex Jordan went down in only the 3rd game of the season in 86' and almost missed the entire season, only being allowed very limited minutes at the end of the season when he returned until the playoffs because management was too afraid of reaggravating his foot. Of course the team was going to suck without the League's best player, he led the team in every significant category as a ROOKIE! Ask Hakeem who was Rookie of the Year his rookie season...LOL... JORDAN FTW!!
Yeah RAV52 ....that came in the midst of LOSING seasons. Oh let me guess MJ would've had a winning record in 85/86 if he played according to you? LOL. They were still under .500 in his rookie year and they were still under .500 in his third year. And you call out Hakeem for posting BETTER records than these as the only franchise calibre talent as the underachiever? HAHAHA He joined a LOSING franchise and they remained a LOSING franchise.....some "ROY" award,lol.
@FuShengAlex But ur gonna completely pentalize Jordan for havin Pippen (who he made a great player) & only cracks the top 50 when Magic is a top 5 GOAT with Oscar arguably a top 10 GOAT. Jordan has broken records as well dude he has 25 scorin records which beats Wilt's 18. Jordan the highest efficiency ratin in nba history meanin he did more on the court then anybody else did for their teams. So by the logics that come from u idk how u can say Kareem is better than Hakeem but not Jordan.
hangtime23ful: "idk how u can say Kareem is better than Hakeem but not Jordan."
Why does this bother you? Kareem....UNLIKE MJ caused Hakeem problems, he schooled Hakeem l head 2 head in the 80s as a old man. And he played the SAME position as Hakeem, taught him the jumphook. And he faced his competition the HARD way mano y mano, unlike MJ who often made a career in his later years sending Pippen and Harper vs. a lot of his matchups. Go watch 98 vs. Indy where MJ was HIDING from Reggie.
@FuShengAlex clinched the 6ith title with a game winner. The highest rated series in nba history & the highest rated game in nba history. Jordan's game winnin shot in 98 finals game was named number 1 playoff moment in nba history.
hangtime23ful ....oh please. Jordan in 98 number one moment in NBA history? hahahaha I wouldn't even put that in top3. Isiah ripping LA for 43 on a injured ankle in '88 Game 6 is clear number 1 to me.
@FuShengAlex I'd say leading your team to the PLAYOFFS EVERY SEASON is one Hell of an accomplishment. I'd also say that winning 72 GAMES in one season is an NBA Record. Game, Set, Match. Advantage Michael Jordan.
@FuShengAlex Your thought process is flawed. You seem to think the regular season matters more than the postseason and winning championships. To each his own, I guess...Hahaha... Hakeem would probably disagree with you though.
RAV52 "NOBODY in the NBA was on Jordan's level in his prime. Not even Hakeem."
Yeah maybe it would be disrespectful to put his prime on MJ's level...because from 92-95, he was above any level MJ ever reached. Btw...this is how a Non-prime Hakeem treated MJ at his zenith: watch?v=epPwITy_BMU&
RAV52: "although I think he underachieved at times and could have done more". Oh please. Hakeem OVERACHIEVED in 86, 94 and 95. Jordan NEVER overachieved on these levels he dominated with the odds (and refs 1998 playoffs) in his favour. MJ UNDERACHIEVED in his first couple years..2 str8 seasons of not even finishing above .500. Dream never below .500 until he was old and injury riddled. You make me laugh....just like that 14 reb game U said MJ "had" vs. Dream that never happened,LOL.
Jordan made Hall of Famers his bitch, no matter their size, on the regular. That's why they defer to him when the question is asked, "Who is the greatest player of alltime?"
RAV52 2 weeks ago
the title should say Akeem not Hakeem. this was before he added the H to his name. lol
BREW343812 6 months ago
MJ only person ever to block Hakeem
oldgateway 6 months ago
@oldgateway, no. Watch Ewing blocks Olajuwon's shot.
Raldonado 6 months ago
Look at how empty the out of bounds area behind the baselines are. Compared to all the cameramen sitting on top of each other these days, it's like watching a high school game.
mrmacross 8 months ago
@mrmacross It should be like that. I'm always afraid a player is going to get injured when they go flying into the press row under the basket.
Amir883 7 months ago 2
@FuFairy against the bulls but not the rockets. Worthy shot "lousy" 40% from the field against the rockets in the 91 1st round, Worthy shot 47.9% against the bulls in the 91 finals. Haha commentin on ur page, for the player Pippen became he wasn't at his full potential in 91, Kenny, Thrope, Maxwell avg'd the same amount of ppg as Pippen that yr. But of course there u go again with that "one great teammate is automatically better" excuse. Learn what all around team is dude.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuShengAlex Kareem so much is cuz ur team was able to beat the lakers in 86 so u don't care to hate on em so much but the rockets didn't beat the bulls in the finals & most ppl would believe those 2 rings by the rockets were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence & the bulls not bein at full strength. That probably pisses u off so much & so u just wanna believe they weren't flukes by makin up countless excuses.
Alex = pathetic bias rockets fan
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
lol@hangtime23ful ......more excuses. Jordan was healthy, winning MVPs, DPOY, scoring titles from 88-90....and still losing,LOL. Was he not 100% in this era? I mean I thought MJ playing full seasons in his prime guaranteed the Bulls titles according to your argument.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex No one is ever gonna win every single yr not even B.Russell did that. All i'm sayin is he wasn't really 100% at age 35 in 98 with his multiple injuries like i've said to u b4. He's had other injuries too like his wrist injury in 93 so he had to wear a wrist brace most of the season & a few others. But anyways, Uhh Alex u don't have to say the exact words "better than" to act like someone is better than. Ur seriously gonna tell me u haven't been actin like Hakeem is better? Haha WOW.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
HAHAHA. Hakeem at age 36 with bloodclotting injuries is supposed to start a dynasty with Pip playing all of 1 season and 54 career games together according to you? MJ and Pip didn't win a title in their first THREE years. Pip went to MVP calibre status w/o MJ! Grant made his only ASG w/o MJ. So did BJ. Grant joined Orl and they went from 1st rd. ouster to OUSTING MJ and making the Finals. And he won a title in LA. MJ is the one that lags behind Bird, Dream, Magic on impacting teamates.
FuShengAlex 11 months ago
@FuShengAlex MJ revolutionized & transented the game of basketball, his impact is the biggest in nba history. I look at ur comments i'm just like WOW how much MJ hatin can u get? They played at their best level wo/MJ? Umm ok thats y they didn't win the championship wo/ em. Horace grant was only a replacement all star cuz Zo mournin was hurt. All star selections don't really mean that much, i suppose u think yao ming deserved to be an all star this yr right or manu ginobili?
hangtime23ful 11 months ago
lol@hangtime23ful ....HoG won a title without MJ. He was a integral part to ousting MJ from a playoff run. Jordan wasn't headed anywhere far in the playoffs without Pippen either, so you aren't really saying much when you say they couldn't win without MJ.
You have Jordan Jockers are almost always going out of their way to tell everyone how no other great matches up to him? Going in Rocket threads saying Hakeem can than MJ for his 2 titles? Defending against this is hate? LOL.
FuShengAlex 11 months ago
lol@hangtime23ful ....HoG won a title without MJ. He was a integral part to ousting MJ from a playoff run. Jordan wasn't headed anywhere far in the playoffs without Pippen either, so you aren't really saying much when you say they couldn't win without MJ. Which player ever fell off without MJ?
Jockers are almost always going out of their way to tell everyone how inferior to him? Going in HOU threads saying Dream can than MJ for his 2 titles? Defending against this is hate? LOL.
FuShengAlex 11 months ago
@FuShengAlex H.Grant won a title without MJ? Umm ok robert horry won 5 titles without hakeem & mario elie won a title without hakeem too so who cares? Pippen never won without MJ & neither did paxson, b.j., kukoc, or bill carwright. I'd say MJ made pretty far in 89 when ippen was just role players by goin to the ECF. In fact otis thrope in 89 was better then pippen in 89 & those 2 were the 2 best players in 89 for hakeem & MJ & the east was a toucher competition then the west was in the 80s.
hangtime23ful 11 months ago
I just answered your question that is all. Oh please don't draw a comparison. hangtime23ful . Elie was a journeyman that nobody wanted before Hakeem and didn't make a difference. Horry played his best ball with Hakeem even though he won titles elsewhere. Yeah notice MJ got to the ECF....the Celts' Bird missed almost the entire season with injuries....and that franchise was set back with the death of Len Bias.
Thorpe never saw out of the 1st round outside of playing with Hakeem.
FuShengAlex 11 months ago
@FuShengAlex Nobody knows how good len bias would of been so please don't bring em up cuz his own fault for doin drugs & dying. The east was still a tougher competition in 89 then the west even with the celtics havin bird gone. Elie is a journeyman that nobody wanted b4 hakeem Umm ok? Elie didn't make a difference? Haha oh yeah i'm sure it didn't for the rockets beatin the suns in 95 in game 7 with elie hittin the game winner.
hangtime23ful 11 months ago
@hangtime23ful LMFAO! Yeah, Elie gets them past the Suns in Game 7, then goes on to average more than 16ppg in the 1995 Finals and yet he "didn't make a difference" according to Alex? Bwahahahahahaha!! Then why did they call him "Super Mario"?? Because he didn't make a difference? Enough of the blood clot excuses, bwoi... Hakeem's teammates have publicly stated who the G.O.A.T is (MJ). I guess they realize that 6 > 2! That means Jordan's Bulls were 3X better, right Alex? :-)
RAV52 11 months ago
@RAV52 Haha yeah & alex probably ignores the fact that barkley & kevin willis joined the rockets in 96-97 with hakeem & drexler. They may have been old but so were harper, rodman, pippen, & jordan. That trio back up for hakeem were better then the trio back up jordan had. The jazz in 97 beat the rockets in 6 game, the same team jordan's bulls beat in the finals in 97 & 98 (back-to-back).
hangtime23ful 11 months ago
@hangtime23ful Not to mention that in 96 the Rockets were BLASTED by Kemp and Payton...Now you know good and well MJ led teams were NOT having any of that nonsense. If I recall correctly, the Reign Man put down a couple of particularly nasty dunks on Dream's dome in that series, which explains why he once again couldn't make it to the Finals to feel the wrath of Jordan. If Jordan had a team with Chuck, Glide, Thorpe and Willis, he could probably take over Afghanistan in 7 days!
RAV52 11 months ago
@RAV52 Haha yeah, JBO & alex keep sayin hakeem would beat the bulls right? How come in 92 the rockets couldn't even reach the playoffs? In 90 they barley made it hakeem was outscored by thrope & maxwell, plus sleepy floyd scored the same amount as hakeem against the lakers in that 4 game series haha. That season hakeem played every game then in 91 hakeem plays only 56 games & the team has a 11 win increase then in 92 hakeem was able to play 14 more games from the season b4 & they missed the
hangtime23ful 11 months ago
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hangtime23ful: "barkley & kevin willis joined the rockets in 96-97 with hakeem & drexler". Oh so having HOFers means you're supposed to win a title? Hey didn't MJ have Artis Gilmore and George Iceman Gervin as teamates? How many titles did they win according to your logic? LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Haha yeah a total of 18 games with Gervin in his last season. The only reason y Hakeem did what he did in 94 was cuz Jordan left. Jordan & the bulls would of beaten the rockets in the finals. Hakeem had a better overall team than Ewing did in the finals. U guys got lucky in game 7 of the 95 WCSF with Elie hittin that game winner. If Hakeem is so much better & the players he played with wouldn't of made a difference then how come he couldn't get to the finals from 91-93?
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
LOL@hangtime23 "lIf Hakeem is so much better & the players he played with wouldn't of made a difference then how come he couldn't get to the finals from 91-93?"
Who on the 91-93 Rox was voted to a Dream Team like Pippen was? LOL. Don Chaney his coach during that time averaged 26 wins a year without Hakeem, he stunk...when Rudy T came things changed for the better. Phil has won 5 titles and made more Finals without MJ than MJ did without him. Hakeem carried those guys, MJ waited for Pip!
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex What exactly did Phil accomplish b4 Jordan? Nothin. The only reason y Phil is so successful is cuz he coaches the best player/duo in the league. In 06 & 07 he had a 1st round exit with lakers Y? Cuz they weren't a great team. Phil coached Shaq & Kobe in 00-04 & now Kobe/Gasol 08 to today. 94 Jordan left & they lost in the 2nd orund. See that? When Phil doesn't have the best player or duo he's not anything special.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
lol@hangtime23ful ....Phil won a CBA title b4 MJ. MJ ran Doug Collins who was a great coach out of CHI. What were Shaq/Kobe doing b4 Phil? Getting their tails handed to them. He joins and they 3peat,lol. So there you have it, MJ had a coach that won 5 titles without him. Hakeem had Don Chaney who averaged all of 26 wins without him. 88-91? Once Rudy T came, he cut down on guys like Maxwell trying to take over the offence, and they got rid of deadweight like Sleepy Floyd.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Excuses excuses excuses now ur gonna blame the coach for em havin 1st round exits from 88-91? Jordan was not Jordan in college Alex like i've told u b4. He was a good player but improved on his game completely when he reached the nba which is where ur career is at not college. & last time i checked Jordan won college player of the yr in 84 & hit the game winner in the 82 NCAA championship & he was a freshman so he did good in college anyways. Isiah, Glen Rice, Ewing, Melo, have won
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Phil never LOST a Finals series until he stopped coaching the GOAT. Funny how that works.
RAV52 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex also if college means that much to u Hakeem teammed up with Ralph Shampson who won college player of the yr 3 str8 yrs. Also in 95 u can thank Elie for that game winner in the final game of the WCSF. If he doesn't hit that shot chances r the rockets don't return to the finals.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex was. Jordan also in 93 wore a wrist brace cuz of his wrist injury in 93 & hurt it a few times in the playoffs plus sprainin his ankle. Haha there goes every Jordan hater comin up with the excuse of Jordan gettin calls in his favor all the time.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Haha Alex, Gilmore left the bulls in 82 which was b4 Jordan got there & he came back in 88 which was his last season & only played 24 games.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@RAV52 playoffs with havin a 10 win decrease. Then in 93 mr.clutch robert horry comes & the rockets getta 13 win increase. Then in 94 sam cassell & mario elie come & jordan leaves the bulls. Alex brags all the time about how everybody else on the team was just a role player yet in the 90 playoffs against the lakers 2 of hakeem's teammates scored more pts & another 1 of his teammates matched em in pts. Jordan was never outscored by a teammate in a playoff series.
hangtime23ful 11 months ago
@hangtime23ful You know your stuff, HT23. I understand Alex loves Dream, and on the real so do I, but the truth is staring him in the face and he still denies it. The Dream is my favorite center of all time, although I think he underachieved at times and could have done more. I never had that feeling with Jordan. In fact I always looked at Mike like, "Damn, how can any human being be that greedy for winning championships?!!" NOBODY in the NBA was on Jordan's level in his prime. Not even Hakeem.
RAV52 11 months ago
@RAV52 Yeah hakeem is my favorite center ever in fact my 3rd favorite player ever from any position. Yes hakeem is underachieved. Hakeem is better then wilt, b.russell, & shaq. I have a hard time decidin between him & kareem of who's the best center ever. Hakeem winnin a ring with the team's 2nd option just a role player is very impressive but alex is completely bias towards hakeem & overrates em which is y i have a hard time given hakeem credit when i debate against em.
hangtime23ful 11 months ago
@hangtime23ful I'd give Kareem the slight nod over Olajuwon, but not by much. Kareem in his prime was the only player who made Wilt say, "Uh Oh...This cat's gonna be trouble!" He was able to dominate both early and late in his career, even when his athleticism was no longer dominant. Kinda like MJ.
RAV52 11 months ago
@RAV52 Haha bro it took Alex a month to reply back to us on this vid. He had to think LONG & HARD for his counter posts which r pathetic as usual so it doesn't make a difference. He just wants to think & believe that Hakeem's title seasons weren't flukes of cuz Jordan leavin.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful I give Hakeem full props for being a Hall of Fame center and for taking advantage of Jordan's absence, which nobody else did successfully during those two years, but after 1990, Mike went from dominating the entire league individually to collecting championship trophies at will. Never saw a Finals series he didn't dominate and never saw a Game 7 in the Finals because he was just that damn sick. It was Jordan's ERA and the other players during that time were merely footnotes.
RAV52 10 months ago
LOL@RAV52" I give Hakeem full props for being a Hall of Fame center and for taking advantage of Jordan's absence,"
Yeah Hakeem mostly TOOK ADVANTAGE of MJ as well when he was in the league.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Yeah but Hakeem was able to win without a robin in 94 if he was that great & didn't need a robin to get to the finals how come he had 1st round exits from 88-91 plus not makin the playoffs in 92? The 93 supportin cast was pretty much the same & u said Elie wouldn't of made a difference & was a journeymen so how come they lost in the 2nd round that yr?
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful "How come they lost in the 2nd round in 93"
That series went 7 games on the road vs. a superior SEA team. What did MJ do? He shot 39% vs. the Knicks in the same year and won? How is that being invincible? Ask youself...could Hakeem ever shoot 39% from the floor and win a series? NEVER!!! MJ was lucky to have Pippen offset his LOUSY performances in that series, or they wouldn't have won. Hakeem didn't have that in 93. 8 of 24 in a closeout game by MJ? LOL
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Phil did better with Jordan than he did with Shaq/Kobe.
6-0 with Jordan
5-2 with Kobe (3-1 with Shaq/Kobe)
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex The 93 rockets pretty much had the same supportin cast in 94. If they were able to beat team sin 94 with less talent then how come they lost to the sonics in 93? So what if it went 7 games? The 94 suns were the defendin west champs while the sonics in 93 have not done anything. Yeah 8 for 24 but he dished out 9 ast, got 3 stls, 2 blks, & 25pts overall which was the most pts for the bulls in that game. So he didn't suck overall just his shootin alone.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex I 4got to mention about ur comment on Jordan shootin 8 for 24 in game 6 of the 93 ECF. Hakeem in the 94 nba finals game 7 shot 10 for 25 & his team still won which was an even bigger game cuz it was a game 7 in the nba finals while Jordan's bulls were up 3-2 in game 6 of the 93 ECF.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
HAHA@hangtime23ful ...You DARE compare Dream in 94 to MJ in 93 vs. NY? All you can point out is a bad game here or there during his title years, which was a rarity. He was NEVER subpar over the course of a series like MJ was vs. NY. His job was tougher, he had no "true" sidekick in Pip to give him a adv when he was subpar. And he was matched head 2 head against Ewing who he limited more than MJ did vs. anyone great...EVER. MJ could barely figure out a ex-grocery bagger in '93,LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex this about Jordan. "There is no such thing as perfection when your taking a look at college kids, ask those 4 NFL teams that drafted quarterbacks ahead of Dan Marino about that. Because this man (Jordan) certainly has turned out to be the best much as Marino." Alex Jordan shot 40% not 39% just to correct u. U only went by fg% & ur not lookin his overall game, he still led his team in pts in 5 outta those 6 games. 32.6ppg, 6.2rpg, 7.0apg, 2.33spg, 1.0bpg, 3pt 40%, ft 86.8%.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Yes Pippen did hit some big shots but u cannot say Jordan didn't do anything to help his team win that game by playin great D got 3 stls the most for the bulls, 2 blks tied for the most for the bulls, & 9 ast also the most for the bulls. Like Pippen said after game 6 even when Jordan doesn't have a good shootin game he still can helps alot to win the game by drawin double & dishes out ast to open players.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Not really. Regular season wins are nice, but in those games, Jordan still dominated by any reasonable standard and won titles when it counted, so in essence he dominated not only Hakeem, but the ENTIRE LEAGUE. Jordan no longer saw a challenge in the NBA so he tried something new, giving Dream a chance to redeem the two championships he squandered in college to Valvano's Wolfpack and Ewing's Hoyas. Jordan was, after all, a kind and generous ruler.
RAV52 10 months ago
RAV52 Oh please Dream overachieved in 84 to get nobodies to the title game vs. Ewing and his team of future NBAers..Lets not even talk of MJ's college career where he was CARRIED to a title by Worthy. When he was the "man" he was a underachiever that couldn't even sniff a Final 4 despite having a NBA starting 5 over the span of 2 years. Smith, Brad Daugherty, Joe Wolf and Sam Perkins. I guess that's why we told him to take a seat behind the superior defensive force and team player in 84.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex most outstandin player when they won the NCAA title as well r they better than Jordan? U keep talkin about how Hakeem was able to win a ring without a robin & that Jordan never did. Yet it was the same season that Jordan was gone that Hakeem was able to do that. If Jordan was there in 94 the rockets would NOT have won the title. 95 the magic wouldn't of been a threat cuz i highly doubt H.Grant would of left the bulls after a 4peat.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful....yeah more myths from you,lol. How do you KNOW Grant wouldn't have left? Because MJ would tell Krause what to do, yeah sure. The same Krause that told MJ to go away when he asked him to select Joe Wolf in the '87 draft, then MJ blew a fuse when Krause selected the unknown Pippen in the same draft? MJ could barely scrape by Ewing, needing to be BAILED out by Pip, got his tail sent packing by Shaq..but Hakeem who was SUPERIOR to either of those 2 had no chance? LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex ask ur self if u were apart of a team that won a 4peat & the next season ur team is gonna go for another title while u were a key part of their success would u just leave? The draft is completely different cuz nobody really knows how could Pippen or Wolf was gonna be. Its just guessin on college players. For example this is what an announcer said durin a reg. season game in 91 when the bulls were facin the nets & they were talkin about the top 5 picks in the 84 draft & said
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Jordan shot the ball at an avg of 25.8 in that series. If Reggie shot that much against the knicks he wouldn't have a good shootin % either. Reggie doesn't draw double/triple teams as much as Jordan does & u know that. Reggie is mainly a jump shootin while Jordan can score a lot off the dribble.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex the reason y i brought game 7 of the 94 finals is cuz u honestly believe that Hakeem didn't have help then his team wouldn't have won game 7 by goin 10 for 25. Hakeem is not the only one to get to the finals with just role players. Ewing did the same thing in 94, Iverson did that in 01 & his team was the only team to pull out a victory against the lakers that playoff season & u can even argue the fact that Dwight did that for the magic in 09. R they better than Jordan?
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
Oh please.....Iverson/D12 didn't really beat teams that were more talented than they were in those playoffs like Hakeem did in '94.
The 94 Suns had 5 different 14+ppg scorers, The Utah Jazz had a 1st team all-NBA PF and PG. Tim Duncan in '03 was probably on par with Hakeem in 94....so was Rick Barry in 75. Jordan NEVER played at any of those levels in the playoffs when he was winning.....EVER!
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Well actually the 01 bucks were more talented than the 01 76ers but they still won. Oh yeah LeBron got to the finals in 07 & had no buisness beatin the more talented pistons. Jordan played at a level better then anybody in 98 at age 35 with a bad back, tendonitis in both knees, 2 torn ligaments in his finger, & a cracked knuckle on his shootin hand but played every game, with Pippen injured, missin half the season, & not 100% in the playoffs or finals.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex start with the gamblin thing he left cuz of the death of his father. Durin the celebration after the 93 title Jordan to the bulls fans "destiny shall be back here for the 4th time". Then in august his dad dies & he was with the team gettin ready for the preseason in early october but then decides to call it quits cuz he had nothin else to prove. Jordan was already considered the GOAT after the 93 title Alex.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Jordan was basically the co-head coach for the bulls cuz he's the one tellin his team what to do, he yelled at em, they feared Jordan & he was the standard they had to live up to, he threated em like sayin "if u do that again i'm gonna break both ur legs". Michael Jeffery Jordan is the GREATEST basketball player to ever play this game, the nba says it, the experts say it, the world knows it. Last time i checked Jordan is the FACE of basketball NOT Hakeem.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex * Reggie is mainly a catch & shoot guy
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Also in game 2 of the 93 ECF the announcer said this about Jordan. "He (Jordan) has to carry this team he's the focal point, Pippen is terrific & he's done a good job but this is man, Patrick Ewing has a lot more help then Jordan does."
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful Ewing has a lot more help than MJ does? Dude are you kidding? LOL. His next best player was Starks who choked almost every year at some point in the playoffs when it mattered. Jordan had prime HOFer Pippen. Where's the perennial all-star Ewing had in that era like MJ did?. Grant was a perennial all-def team member from 92-96....all the Knicks forwards could do was mug guys and call that D. If you swapped Pippen with Starks ....would Jordan ever beat the Knicks? LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Haha Alex Jordan, Pippen, H.Grant, & B.J. were the only 4 players that basically did everything that season for the bulls. 4 guys is not gonna cut it Ewing had more dept. Starks, Oakley, Mason, Blackman, C.Smith, Rivers, Anthony. All u do is consistently OVERRATED!!! Pippen as if he was some all mighty god. Who cares he's just one player, yeah he's a great all around player no doubt ur overratin em WAY TOO MUCH. Pippen was a poor 3pt shooter that season & as usual at free throws.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Dude please don't bring up Jerry Krause yes he ended up makin the right decision in gettin Pippen but he's also the one that traded Oakley for Cartwirght which was dumb. He's the one that split that team in 98 cuz of his own ego in wantin to try & prove he could create a completely different team & win.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
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imsljr420 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Phi Slamma Jamma underachievers? Now who's kidding who? LOL... You know damn well if the Rockets knew then what they know now they would've picked Jordan first. I can't believe you actually place your argument on who stupid general managers think is the best player in any given draft, especially since they more often than not get it WRONG. That year, Houston and Portland got it WRONG, although the Rockets did get the second-best player with their #1 pick.
RAV52 10 months ago
LOL@RAV52 ....Yeah sure. A wrong and "stupid" pick is someone who was a career bust and a underachiever vs. someone who had a perennial All-Star/HOF career.
Judging by the amount of ENDLESS videos of Hakeem batting Jordan around, MJ whining to media about not being able to figure out Hakeem in '93, and oh yeah MJ's career SUB .500 record vs. Hakeem unbiasedly I must say, so long as MJ stepped on the court vs. the Rox he was more often than not the second best player on the floor.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Lookin at those numbers from the 93 ECF ur gonna tell me Jordan played lousy cuz of his overall fg%? Since u want to talk about fg% in game 4 in a must needed win bein down 2-1 Pippen shot a lousy 28.6% while Jordan completely dominated the game by goin 18-30 (fg 60%), 6-9 3pt, made 54pts which was more than half of the bulls pts. Game 5 Jordan gets a triple double in which he had 14 of the 19 ast for the bulls. Game he scored 25pts which was the most for the bulls in that game.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Banners in the rafters, bro...Jordan has 3X more than Hakeem. The GOAT didn't need to figure out Hakeem because evidently the Rockets weren't good enough to make it to the Finals all those years Jordan was there in the 90s. I'm sure Jordan was thinking, "Where's Hakeem?" when Choke City sat at home in 91', 92', 93', 96', 97' and 98' while the Bulls beat down the teams who beat down Houston...hahahaha
RAV52 10 months ago
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"I'm sure Jordan was thinking, "Where's Hakeem?" when Choke City sat at home in 91', 92', 93'"
Yeah funny "in 93" Jordan cried his tail to media about not being able to figure out the Rockets......LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex Jordan missed 64 games in 86 don't act stupid. Alex idk if u've heard but Jordan is number 1 all time in player efficiency ratin & he's a guard. Jordan kept consistently leadin in efficiency ratin, win shares, win shares per 48mins, off. win shares, scorin champ, top 1-3 in steals, top 4-6 in def. win shares. YR AFTER YR AFTER YR. He was the one contirbutin more for his team then ANYBODY ELSE. Ur stupid argument about Pippen is beyond pathetic to try & downgrade Jordan.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex If by "cried his tail to the media about not being able to figure out the Rockets" you mean, WINNING HIS THIRD CONSECUTIVE NBA TITLE AND FINALS MVP TROPHY, I agree with you ...
RAV52 10 months ago
@RAV52 1 maybe 2 rings. The reality is Pippen came at the right time, i mean that's basically what it is its all about timin. If Jordan was there in 94 Hakeem's 94 season would of been nothin but the same for Iverson in 01, LeBron in 07, arguably Dwight in 09, & Ewing in 94.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful Right, HT23... Pippen was pushed to his full potential by Jordan. He knew MJ wouldn't settle for less, so it was either sink or swim being his teammate. You saw that he could be a very good player without Mike, but with Jordan he became elite and didn't have to worry about the pressure of doing the heavy lifting himself. Having the GOAT as your teammate is one helluva safety net that allows you to play more freely and take defensive/offensive risks you wouldn't normally...
RAV52 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful I've always said that if Jordan ever played on the same team with a dominant big man like, say, Ewing for example, he could have easily pulled off a Bill Russell-like dynasty of 10 or more championships. The fact that he won 3 Rings on 2 separate occassions WITHOUT a dominant big man AFTER retiring once is simply astounding. I can't think of another modern player who could have pulled it off.
RAV52 10 months ago
@RAV52 Haha yeah Jordan & Ewing would be crazy good together. Jordan & Hakeem to me would be the best combo in team play. They r definitely the 2 most skilled players ever at their position & the best defenders ever at their position. U double Hakeem then Jordan is wide open on the perimeter & if u double Jordan then u leave Hakeem is open in the post. That would be a nightmare for teams it would = double digit titles.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
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@hangtime23ful Well seeing as how they came out in the same draft, it would've been pretty much impossible for Dream and Mike to play on the same team... Not to mention unfair as Hell to the rest of the League! I've watched how well Jordan and Ewing interacted over the years in All-Star games and on the one and only DREAM TEAM and watching them on the court at the same time was amazing...
RAV52 10 months ago
lol@hangtime23ful....who has called MJ goat? You lied. Pat Riley has called Kareem the GOAT. Wilt didn't consider MJ goat....nor did Oscar. Ho.Grant said he and Kobe were equal....LOL. So much for popular opinion. Oh yeah I've never seen Hakeem ever refer to MJ as GOAT either.
Are these guys all haters because they don't call MJ GOAT? LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Haha Alex who did Pat Riley retire their jersey number from the heat even though he never played there? Jordan's number & here's where he said Jordan will always be the best of the best of the best.
/watch?v=rDY664J3Vew
Wilt said he would avg 70ppg against the 90s players & Oscar said LeBron is in a class by himself. Both have provin to be ignorant. Basically Oscar loves LeBron cuz he's nothin but stat man like him. Rarely will u ever see an experts say Jordans not the GOAT.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Jordan is obviously better than Kobe.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
lol@hangtime23ful "Jordan is obviously better than Kobe."
I Agree.....but on second thought .....Like I even care about Kobe Bryant....I don't even know why you'd bring his name into this. But we all know how insecure/heated Jordan Jockers become at the mere mention of his name on youtube, LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex I don't have a problem puttin guys on Jordan's level, guys like Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, but ur arguments is based off of u can have a few great seasons with no help & ppl that played with great players r not aloud cuz we must fault them for playin with great players. I don't fault players for playin with other great players & cuz just how it is & its based off of timin of when they play together. Jordan could win a ring without Pippen if he played his entire career without em.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex I mainly look at consistency, accomplishments, & how much u contribute for ur team. I don't take anything away from great seasons like Hakeem had in 94 & 95 cuz i go by that a little bit as well. Hakeem winnin without a robin in 94 is ONE of the things y i put em high on my list but its not the only thing, mainly cuz he's consistent on both ends of the floor. Most skilled center clearly, GOAT shotblocker, great at gettin stls for a center.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Goin back on the pentalizin things on great players. If i was gonna act like u & this is just pretend speakin then i would way Bird is better than Magic cuz Magic had a better team & a better robin player. Kareem never won without the 2 best PGs ever. Plus Magic was the leader & Kareem only pulled out 1 finals mvp while Jordan won all 6. When Kareem left the bucks their record was the exact same. & now i'm done pretendin. I would like add that the 70s was not as competitive as the
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
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SMH@hangtime23ful: " I don't take anything away from great seasons like Hakeem had in 94 & 95 cuz"
Yeah says the guy that gloated earlier in this thread how those years were "flukes". You should be a comedian with your contradictory ways,lol.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Hahahaha Alex Riley calls Jordan the GOAT. I have a 2 vids of em sayin it. Ur excuses will never stop will they. Maybe he said that b4 Jordan was winnin but after now that Jordan has done what he's done Riley & everybody else knows Jordan's the GOAT. U will nitpick at anything humanly possible & say whatever comes up in ur mind to say cuz u can't stand Jordan. I only said they were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence but he still played against great teams & won. But the reality
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful ....Oh so now that you've been proven wrong it's now "when" Pat said Kareem is GOAT,lol.
A guy that scores 33ppg thorughout a playoff run (more than 4 of 6 of MJ's title runs) matched against HOFers on top of their game is no "fluke". Jordan absent? Yeah I guess this is why,lol: /watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex ur bias feelin towards Hakeem is beyond redicilous, the only reason y u think this way about Hakeem is cuz he was a rockets player. If Jordan was drafted 1st & played with the rockets u would of loved em & would care less if Hakeem went to the blazers or bullsor whatever. U defend Jordan just like the reast of the Jordan fans on here. Its hard for u to think that way cuz it wasn't the case. Jordan playin for the bulls doesn't affect me on y he's my favorite player.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex *str8 up hatin (ignore get)
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Haha exactly where did u think Riley thought he called Kareem the GOAT? That comment just proves u know nothin. Here's another vid of Riley talkin about Jordan's game & tellin y he retired of his jersey number cuz he wanted to respect the best of the best.
/watch?v=3EqYg746GSo
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
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SMH@hangtime23ful "Haha exactly where did u think Riley thought he called Kareem the GOAT? "
Riley on Jabbar: "Why judge anymore? When a man has broken records, won championships, endured tremendous criticism and responsibility, why judge? Let's toast him as the greatest player ever." Am I lying? LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex did u not even go to those links i posted to u? Pat Riley is CLEARLY statein that Jordan is the best of the best. So yeah exactly u r lying cuz i found 2 vids of Riley sayin Jordans the GOAT. U have been provin wrong. U know Alex its funny ur NOT gonna pentalize Kareem for playin the best PGs ever Magic & Oscar & on top of that he wasn't even the leader when Magic came & he missed the last game of the 80 finals while Magic played center & won finals mvp.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
LOL@hangtime23ful ....I showed you a QUOTE from Riley where he called KAREEM the GOAT as well. Feel free to look on Jabbar's NBA bio page to see I wasn't lying....it's in BOLD letters. So no I haven't been proven wrong whether I did or didn't watch your video. Riley contradicted you and himself.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex : in a kobe bryant video, pat riley says "well to me jordan will always be the best of the best of the best"....& grant knows jordan is better than kobe.
imsljr420 10 months ago
imsljr420 .....why don't you continue trolling on the Kobe pages like you always do? I never said Riley didn't call MJ the GOAT....I said he ALSO called Kareem the GOAT and showed proof. Leave me alone.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex : im sorry...i didn't mean to make you cry....btw i like how you're on mikenot's page kissing ass like a little bitch...."gee mikenot, im really worried about you guys"
imsljr420 10 months ago
SMH@imsljr420 ......Sure pal tell yourself whatever you want to hear.
Some class act you are.....nice to know you troll the pages and comments of people who don't even like you. LOL
Speaking of "crying" .....here's a page you can go shed some tears on: watch?v=epPwITy_BMU
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex LMAO u would be friends with a clown like mikenot. All u gotta do is change his name from "mikenotnumber1" to "mikeisnumber1" (which is what i do) when commentin to em & he'll EXPLODE with insults. He has absolutely no basketball knowledge whatsoever. He pretty much screams to ppl on youtube with his comments when they disagree with em. Heck sometimes i'll just say anything to make em start goin crazy cuz its so frickin entertainin & HILARIOUS to do.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful,....me and him talk of things unrelated to basketball. Real funny, one of "your friends" is so "brave" he once came on my page to start slanging nonsense and then I realize that he's only man enough to accept comments from his friends and censors out anyone that disagrees.....just like that joke account "theBruceBlitzChannel" LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuFairy Really unrelated to basketball? The comments he leaves on ur channel look pretty related to basketball to me & the comment u left on his channel. Btw he stalks me sometimes haha no joke, when i comment somewhere he follows & leaves a comment on there to me cuz he's a physcotic creapy wack job. Mikenot is friends with that even bigger clown "thebruceblitzchennel" aka alpha wolf. Its so much fun to own both of em & fun to see the sorry pathetic comebacks they have just like urs.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful ....Hmmm...it isn't my job to police what he does or doesn't. And what do you know about our convo's? He's a psychotic creepy wack job according to you.....but you still troll to see what he's talking about? If you go to a restaurant and end up with food poisoning do you go back and eat at the same spot and complain? Yeah why are you on my page, why do our convo's concern you? Are you in PM world too tracing what's being discussed Mr Knowitall? LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuFairy Haha Alex everybody looks at ppl's pages that's not creapy y do u think everyone has a lotta channel views? U said mikenot & u don't talk about basketball so i looked for myself but it seems like u guys do. I don't comment randomly to mikenot of where he posts at on vids. He was doin that to me & it got kinda annoyin.
Mikenot = clown
Alex u & i both know who thinks they're the mr knowitall & we know its not me.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuFairy LMAO u know i can just comment to u on a vid right? Awww poor lil fairy boy runnin away from me? Try blockin me now. I love how u didn't answer any of my questions in fact u do that most of the time which only proves u don't have an answer for most of what i say. Yeah thanks for the vid that merkiny fool calls the 90s waterdown wanna know y? Cuz he's a celtics fan which is typical for both celtics & laker fans. Do u agree with that merkiny fool that the 90s was waterdown?
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy U use stats for ur argument & but when they don't favor u u make excuses & tell me to stop goin by a statbook & watch the game. That right there proves ur nothin but a hypocite. Ur argument is weak & always has been. U blocked me from ur page which proves i win cuz u can't handle me anymore. If u wanna keep goin lets keep goin so i can own u some more.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
You come on my page to deride Hakeem/Rockets and their 2 titles....meanwhile your Suns in more than FIFTY years have as many titles as the Bobcats,LOL. All you can do is run around here holding MJ's schlong because your franchise is known for failure. 94 and 95 they choked BIG leads.
The Suns are the only NBA franchise that has a openly gay fruitcake running the team guess that's why their so soft when it matters most I heard he wants to rename them: "The Phoenix Flaming Homos" HA HA.
FuShengAlex 9 months ago
@FuFairy The was waterdown in the 90s at the end? Oh yeah y am i not surprise u would say at the end cuz the rockets won in the mid 90s. Haha yeah the 90s sure waterdown alright at the end of the decade cuz Hakeem & the rockets got knocked outta the playoffs. No Hakeem old excuse K.Malone/Stockton were old too & swepted a prime Shaq & the rest of the 98 lakers young athletic lakers that featured 4 all stars.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy
"The Suns are the only NBA franchise that has a openly gay fruitcake running the team guess that's why their so soft when it matters most I heard he wants to rename them: "The Phoenix Flaming Homos" HA HA"
Hmm r u sayin that cuz u really believe that or cuz i'm a suns fan? Would u say that if i was a jazz, knicks, hornets, fan or a fan of any other team? See Alex comment like that show me how much u know i'm right of what i say to u.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy U r so caught up about that 94 season & always say to ur self "Hakeem won with robin Hakeem won without a robin etc etc". I bet ever since that happens u look at teams & say to ur self "well that team may have better role players & a better all around team from top to bottom but that other teams has those 2 or 3 great players even tho their role players aren't better but they're cuz of those 2-3 guys. U will NEVER understand the difference, u have no basketball knowledge AT ALL.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy & to actually comment what u said to me on ur page. Jordan only had a losin record in 86 of his injuries. 85 & 87 were in his early yrs. Jordan wasn't the GOAT by this time & he was still improvin, he was leadin em to winnin season b4 Pippen even became a robin type player. So u & i won't ever know the records what Jordan would of led his team if he didn't have a robin type player. It Hakeem his 10th season to win so how do u know Jordan couldn't win until his 10th yr if he played
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy If u truly knew anything about basketball its a team game 5on5 with 7 guys on the bench. Havin a great player on ur team doesn't automatically mean better team. Durant has Westbrook someone that Dirk doesn't have but clearly u can see Dirk has the better all around team from top to bottom. Understand the difference.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy LeBron led his team to 66 & 61 wins with the cavs his last 2 seasons there with not that good of help then he goes to the heat with Wade & Bosh, & what do u know they only won 58 games. Hmm that's interestin.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
hangtime23ful ....child I'm not even going to read through your gibberish. You didn't make anyone cry on my page. You just made a fool of yourself. Your arguments are fit for young Kobe homers. You can't carry yourself in a cordial manner. ...you are out of your element talking to me Jocker boy. And I KNOW you miss coming on my page.
FuShengAlex 9 months ago
@FuFairy I make a fool outta myself? Really Alex? I would LOVE to see u take ur logic to guys like Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Hubie Brown, etc & see what they think of ur beliefs. U act like ur logic is what normal ppl would believe yet a lot of ppl tell u ur an idiot (which u r). Just cuz u watched the games back then doesn't mean ur right cuz almost everyone who watched the games back then will tell u otherwise. Btw since u like to talk about lousy shootin & about Worthy's injuries
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy & for ur age i feel VERY sorry that ur so delusional like this & can't think str8 to actually see what team is TRULY better than the other team. Since Durant had Westbrook does he have a better team than Dirk's mavs? Cuz Dirk doesn't have a player like Westbrook on his team & like i've said many times about LeBron's supportin cast Wade/Bosh bein better than the lakers which everyone knows is wrong.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy Mikenot has said the same thing i guess u agree with em too right? Hahaha u know what? Ppl like, u, mikenot, merkiny, etc all have different beliefs but u guys just love to talk crap & hate on Jordan cuz he's considered the GOAT in most ppl's eyes. If Magic, Bird, Wilt, B.Russell, etc were considered the GOAT in most ppl's eyes guess who would the bias ppl be hatin on the most? Exactly. U guys just love to gang up nobody what ur beliefs r to hate on Jordan, its quite funny.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuFairy throughout his whole time without a robin? What was he suppost to do just shift off Pippen cuz he was gettin good? "Oh no Pippen ur gettin too good now we have to shift u away". its not like Jordan's team was so unbelieveable from top to bottom. No true big men, no true PG, just him, Pippen, & then H.Grant durin the 1st 3peat then Rodman/Kukoc the 2nd 3peat. Hakeem had better guards & a better PF in 94. Btw u never answered my question on LeBron havin a better team than the lakers.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuShengAlex : you just send me to a page where you're getting owned "FuShitHeadAlex" lol....don't go back to that page, it will make you cry seeing how many thumbs down you have.
imsljr420 10 months ago
LOL@imsljr420 ....Boo hoo, the Jordan Jockers are so offended to see their star get schooled by the GOAT shotblocker that they're left no choice but to have different user names and spam everything.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuFairy The fact that u guys hate on Jordan & talk crap about em SO MUCH is cuz u know he's the GOAT but u just can't stand it cuz he didnt play for ur team & u want the player that played for ur team be considered the GOAT. Unlike me sure yeah i'm a hugh Jordan fan but he didn't play for my team but there r some insanely bias fans towards their players & their teams & will at all lengths to hate on another player. I'm just glad i don't think the way u guys do.
hangtime23ful 9 months ago
@FuShengAlex
"who has called MJ goat? You lied. Pat Riley has called Kareem the GOAT."
That's a quote from u 3 days ago so u techinally did say it Alex.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@RAV52 I really feel that the spurs did my suns team a favor last yr by beaten the mavs cuz i don't think the suns would of won. I'm not sayin the playoffs is always rock paper scissors but i can be sometimes mainly if it causes home court advantage.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
And where was MJ in 86 rav52? Not even good enough to be above .500? Where was he in 94? Gambling and messing around with extra marital affairs and being a lousy baseballplayer? And were was MJ in 95? Taking notes from Hakeem on how to sweep the Magic.....LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex & last time i checked Alex. Magic, Bird, Shaq, Isiah, Dumars, Barkley, Reggie Miller, Mchale, C.Webb, B.Russell, Dr.J, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, CP3, Horry, Pat Riley, George Karl, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, the list goes on & on all of these guys call Jordan the GOAT. Ur just a pathetic fan with bias opinion towards Hakeem.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex All those experts of the game witness Hakeem's GODLY SEASON that u LOVE to act like he had & they're not dumb enough to NOT realize that those 2 seasons were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence. Even Shaq said in 95 they were goin up against a baseball shape Jordan & of course ur not gonna wanna buy into that cuz u wanna find some way to believe the rockets would of beaten the bulls at full strength. Ur just pissed off cuz the rockets could only win cuz of Jordan bein gone & don't even
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful I'm actually HAPPY that Jordan took two years off, because I really wanted Hakeem to win a ring and I knew it wouldn't happen if the GOAT was around! Everything worked out perfect for fans of both players like myself, yet I would never Dream of saying dude was equal to Jordan...
RAV52 10 months ago
@RAV52 U can tell someone has no argument left when they ignore at least half the things u tell em. I really hate to talk like this about my favorite center of all time & 3rd favorite overall of all time but Alex just gets way too rediclious. His main argument is to completely overrate Pippen who only was that great of a player cuz of Jordan which is what Phil Jackson has said b4, its a known thing. If Jordan went through his whole career without Pippen i'm pretty sure he could pull off at least
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@RAV52 If u look at that 94 season the rockets probably lucked out when the 1st seed sonics lost to the 8th seed nuggets. That was a fluke series & sometimes in the playoffs some teams beaten another is doin another team a favor. 93 the sonics beat the rockets when the supportin cast were the same for both teams. If the 93 suns didn't comeback to beat the lakers, the lakers would of lost to the spurs or sonics. Like in 07 the warriors did the jazz a favor by killin the mavs in the 1st round.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@RAV52 *it can
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
More revisionist history from you...RAV52 "I'm actually HAPPY that Jordan took two years off" .
No he didn't take 2 years off.....let me refresh your memory with this that happened the year that Hakeem won his second title: watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w Its titled "Michael Jordan chokes in the playoffs" The 95 playoffs btw,lol.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
LOL@hangtime23ful
Those 2 seasons were flukes? Hakeem swept a NBA Finals....how come the so-called GOAT Jordan never did this. MJ in 98 playoffs GOAT performance to you? LOL, They faced ZERO HOFer lead teams in the 1st 2 rounds. In the ECF, MJ was SCARED of guarding Reggie, that's why Harper did almost all the defensive work. In the Finals he had to get by on the refs whistle for more lousy shooting. Hakeem in 95 DWARFS ANY MJ run!
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex those were the 1st 2 rounds so what? Once again u pentalize Jordan for something that wasn't his fault. Its not like the nets or hornets had chance anyways that happens most of the time when a 8th & 4th seed face a 1st seed. Yeah exactly it was a GOAT peformance in the finals with Pippen missin half the game in game 6. Pippen's injured back is what caused Jordan to put the team on his back & he's the one that brought the game within one stole the ball from K.Malone then
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex 80s & 90s & Kareem could only win once. Alex ur logics r very confusin & totally based on pentalizin players & get str8 hatin on players that u need to downgrade in order to make another look better.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@hangtime23ful Stop it HT23... You're making waaaaaay too much sense. Alex left the land of logic with this debate a loooooong time ago. Any way you hash it, amongst their PEERS & COACHES, meaning the people who played and coached with and against both players, Michael Jordan is almost unanimously considered the greater player. If Hakeem's own teammates say that it's so, then the book is pretty much closed.
RAV52 10 months ago
hangtime23ful ....oh please. There's NO WAY MJ wins 6 Finals MVPs with Magic. They put egos aside and didn't care who was "the man". Kareem won a Finals MVP at age 38 vs. a HOF frontcourt. And he battled the Twin Towers in 86 by himself and did well for his age. He faced TOUGHER head 2 head competition in his career than MJ could ever dream of.
I find it funny you call "hating" and you're going about here trying to show the many ways how "X" player fails to matchup to MJ,lol.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex was they were flukes cuz of Jordan's absence. Hahahaha Alex game 6 of the 98 finals is rated number 1 so no matter what u say will never change that. No unbias fan is ever gonna tell u Hakeem is better than Jordan. Most ppl in the world would pick Jordan 1st & even if they don't pick Jordan 1st they wouldn't pick Hakeem > Jordan unless they're bias rocket fans.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex if Hakeem was NOT a rockets player u would care less about em & U KNOW IT.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex reg. season matchups don't mean anything. Jordan went 4-4 against the showtime lakers from 85, 87-89.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex there was no question of who the best player was in Jordan's era. This what Magic said "Larry Bird & i started it off we thought we had something special until this guy named Michael Jordan came into the league." Bird said Jordan was god disguied as a basketball player. If Hakeem is so superior then they would say he's better BUT THEY DON'T. NOBODY IN THE NBA DOES.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex the reason y i ask y u would consider Kareem better than Hakeem but not Jordan is cuz by all the things i've said about Kareem its hard for me to understand ur logic. U pentalize Jordan for havin Pippen but Kareem for the teammmates he had which were better.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful ....If Jordan is GOD then I'm an atheist". LOL If MJ was "GOD" I wouldn't be seeing Hakeem batting him around in most of these videos. I do not believe one man in a TEAM sport with different positions stands above anyone else....that's for you Jordan Jockers to crow over, and none of your "ex-players'" opinions will ever change that. Kareem played the same role as Hakeem, but slightly better.....Jordan didn't he was a shooting guard. Jordan is the GOAT shooting guard.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex Riley said Jordans the GOAT after showin u 2 vids when both of Kareem & Jordans careers r done he said Jordans the GOAT & i gave u 2 vids of em actually comin out & sayin it. Riley retired Jordan's number from the heat team even though Jordan never played there cuz he wants to respect the best of the best. Exactly how have i been provin wrong? Haha ur pathetic. I never said Jordan is god just that Jordans the GOAT. But u think Pippen & Hakeem r gods.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful ..Funny how the only one making "better than" or GOAT statements is you.....running around copying and pasting comments: "OH NOBODY'S CALLED HAKEEM THE GOAT, BUT "X" PLAYER HAS CALLED MJ GOAT". I have never called Hakeem better than MJ....I have never called him GOAT. I only compare Hakeem with Centers. Jordan is a shooting guard his role was different. Your agenda isn't working.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Alex u said that if Rox management were to go back & redo the draft they would pick Hakeem 1st again & u said u would do the same. So by that comment ur tellin me u would take Hakeem > Jordan. That basically means u think Hakeem is better. Oh whatever Alex don't try to lie to me. U & everyone else knows u think Hakeem is better than Jordan otherwise u wouldn't be actin like this towards Jordan & Hakeem. I never said Jordan was not heathly is whole career.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex *u would defend Jordan
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex I'm a suns fan, so if Jordan went to the rockets, blazers, or any other team besides the bulls he would still be my favorite player. He's my favorite player cuz he like game, his competitiveness, his will to win, passion of the game, etc. Yeah just keep sayin Kareem is better than Hakeem but not Jordan by pentalizin Jordan for havin Pippen even though Kareem played with a way better team & players like Magic & Oscar. U know what i think Alex? I think u don't really care to hate on
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Pippen was only that great of a player cuz Jordan made em that great of a player & Pippen has gone on record to say that. Jordan is the one that worked his butt off HARD to make his teammates better. He always got pissed off in practice when they weren't doin what they were suppost to be doin. He was so hard on his teammates which is y his teammates hated em so much for that. Jordan did NOT aloud a non 100% effort from his teammates.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex In 86 he was recovering from a broken foot while carrying Dave Corzine, Brad Sellers and a team full of stiffs to the playoffs AGAIN (Something he would do EVERY year he was in a Bulls uniform)... The rest of that stuff you said was just you showing your Jordan-Envy...LOL But rest assured, you sat there and watched as the GOAT owned the decade of the 90s with TWO THREE-PEATS... Even Hakeem has to bow down to that!
RAV52 10 months ago
Quit while you're behind RAV52.....that 86 season came in the midst of losing seasons by the Bulls so it's not like even if MJ was healthy they'd have finished above .500. Funny you call Hakeem a underachiever in the early 90s when MJ was finishing with WORSE records in the same position as Hakeem during those years. So what does that make MJ.....a bigger underachiever by your logic? LOL.
Hakeem bow down where? Show where on these videos MJ has Hakeem bowing down?
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex But even if they don't think Jordans the GOAT (which is very rare) they don't Hakeem is better than Jordan.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Jordan went down in only the 3rd game of the season in 86' and almost missed the entire season, only being allowed very limited minutes at the end of the season when he returned until the playoffs because management was too afraid of reaggravating his foot. Of course the team was going to suck without the League's best player, he led the team in every significant category as a ROOKIE! Ask Hakeem who was Rookie of the Year his rookie season...LOL... JORDAN FTW!!
RAV52 10 months ago
Yeah RAV52 ....that came in the midst of LOSING seasons. Oh let me guess MJ would've had a winning record in 85/86 if he played according to you? LOL. They were still under .500 in his rookie year and they were still under .500 in his third year. And you call out Hakeem for posting BETTER records than these as the only franchise calibre talent as the underachiever? HAHAHA He joined a LOSING franchise and they remained a LOSING franchise.....some "ROY" award,lol.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex But ur gonna completely pentalize Jordan for havin Pippen (who he made a great player) & only cracks the top 50 when Magic is a top 5 GOAT with Oscar arguably a top 10 GOAT. Jordan has broken records as well dude he has 25 scorin records which beats Wilt's 18. Jordan the highest efficiency ratin in nba history meanin he did more on the court then anybody else did for their teams. So by the logics that come from u idk how u can say Kareem is better than Hakeem but not Jordan.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful: "idk how u can say Kareem is better than Hakeem but not Jordan."
Why does this bother you? Kareem....UNLIKE MJ caused Hakeem problems, he schooled Hakeem l head 2 head in the 80s as a old man. And he played the SAME position as Hakeem, taught him the jumphook. And he faced his competition the HARD way mano y mano, unlike MJ who often made a career in his later years sending Pippen and Harper vs. a lot of his matchups. Go watch 98 vs. Indy where MJ was HIDING from Reggie.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex clinched the 6ith title with a game winner. The highest rated series in nba history & the highest rated game in nba history. Jordan's game winnin shot in 98 finals game was named number 1 playoff moment in nba history.
hangtime23ful 10 months ago
hangtime23ful ....oh please. Jordan in 98 number one moment in NBA history? hahahaha I wouldn't even put that in top3. Isiah ripping LA for 43 on a injured ankle in '88 Game 6 is clear number 1 to me.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex I'd say leading your team to the PLAYOFFS EVERY SEASON is one Hell of an accomplishment. I'd also say that winning 72 GAMES in one season is an NBA Record. Game, Set, Match. Advantage Michael Jordan.
RAV52 10 months ago
RAV52: "Advantage Michael Jordan."
Head 2 head winning record vs. Jordan: advantage Hakeem.....lol.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
@FuShengAlex Your thought process is flawed. You seem to think the regular season matters more than the postseason and winning championships. To each his own, I guess...Hahaha... Hakeem would probably disagree with you though.
RAV52 10 months ago
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RAV52 "NOBODY in the NBA was on Jordan's level in his prime. Not even Hakeem."
Yeah maybe it would be disrespectful to put his prime on MJ's level...because from 92-95, he was above any level MJ ever reached. Btw...this is how a Non-prime Hakeem treated MJ at his zenith: watch?v=epPwITy_BMU&
FuShengAlex 10 months ago
RAV52: "although I think he underachieved at times and could have done more". Oh please. Hakeem OVERACHIEVED in 86, 94 and 95. Jordan NEVER overachieved on these levels he dominated with the odds (and refs 1998 playoffs) in his favour. MJ UNDERACHIEVED in his first couple years..2 str8 seasons of not even finishing above .500. Dream never below .500 until he was old and injury riddled. You make me laugh....just like that 14 reb game U said MJ "had" vs. Dream that never happened,LOL.
FuShengAlex 10 months ago