The West Lothian Question, Part 1

[Grey1671]

Looks like this man had a other worldly encounter ! Seems Quite obvious to me . When you have a look at the subject data its quite obvious there are non humans engaging humanity

Peace

[yastunt]

@xszawe It could be something paranormal as opposed to a nuts and bolts assembly line 'craft'. You're making unprovable assumptions about ufos. .Occam's razor is okay but needs to be used carefully. .

[mrssykes2010]

My dad knew boab taylor he used to work with him, before this incident boab never believed in UFO he used to say it was all twaddle untill this happened .... boab was no liar and certainly wouldnt make crap up like this , he said this thing came out and swiped him of his feet... when the coppers went to take a look there was tracks where this device grabbed him and also a massive crop circle was left and all the trees were crushed hmmm EVIDENCE if you ask me how else would it have gotten there

[theneil100]

I,ll tell you what happened there,i knew the guys mate,barney,well known round bathgate and deans,he told me from the horses mouth it was a hoax,bob taylor was his best mate and was up dechmont law with a bottle of whisky totally rubber,with the dt,s,that is a fact,i talked to barney about it.

[laurablwl]

Mr Taylor was a good friend and neighbour of my grandparents and they always told me when this was mentioned that they believed him as he was an honest man and wouldn't make something like this up and I believe their judgement!

[TheLivilion]

I live in north livingston and me and my mates infact everyone I know goes to them woods/hill. It is creepy to think I've been there countless times. Dunno if it's true but I can see dechmont law hill from my window and in darkness it looks vey spooky.livingston is now the 5th biggests town in Scotland

[fordy68]

Why are they showing Auld Bangour instead of Bangour General?They were two different hospitals.One was a general hospital and the other a psychiatric hospital.

[MrOutofthis]

seems like he met some kind of probe that day.spooky

[SkywatcherScotland]

Malcolm,a lot of people have said many things about Bobs ufo sighting,i say this was as real as it gets,RIP Bob you will you will "Never be Forgotten".

[steviebhoy71]

ats no bullshit that story....true as!!!ats why its still an open case!

[littlegiggletwins101]

i live near tht:O:(im freaked oot xx

[bdwrek]

Why is it that people seem to forget that there where houses in Livingston (namely Livingston Station and Livingston Village) before the 1960's.

I know cos my Grandad grew up in Livingston Station (now known as Deans). Some of the old houses are still there.

[truscotsman85]

@bdwrek that is true i lived in deans for 12years

[SkywatcherScotland]

Never seen this before thank you for posting this video.

[MrWhizzpop]

i recently watched a documentary called 'i know what i saw' on youtube, it was really fucking good, i was surprised to find that my mind was opened alot ( i'm open-minded but i had never been confronted with evidnce to make me believe, actually believe there is other life).

I strongly advise everyone to watch it, so, sooo worth it man! 'james fox- i know what i saw' not to be mistaken with jamie foxx lol

[fartbumdig]

That Bob Taylor retracted on what he saw saying that he made it all up, is the biggest load of bull that I've ever heard. I was one of the main researchers on the case. I interviewed Bob many times, I saw the marks on the grass, did plaster of paris moulds of them, Indeed I still have in my possesion the trousers that Bob wore that day with the rips in them. There never was such an honest to goodness witness.  (Malcolm Robinson Founder Strange Phenomena Investigations 1979-2009 (30 years)

[ar4216]

Being one of the lead investigators I would think you of all people would have heard if a retraction was made to the local paper- regardless of how small the circulation was. If this paper had a circulation of over 5 or 6 thousand I don't see how news of a retraction wouldn't spread. But profquartermass seems fairly certain in his statements and says he lived next door to a policeman who looked into the case. How can someone read an article in the paper and be so wrong about what was in it?

[crogeek]

@fartbumdig and you're telling shits - LOOK ANOTHER evidences, don't be blind cow

[mattghtpa]

"I was skeptical aliens had landed in Livingston"

The skeptic/debunker in the beginning of the vid of course delivers a spot on text book response.

First off I would really like to know why and how, if they don't believe in these event, that they always making statements as if they are the authority able to determine when, where, and what would or wouldn't interest an alien visiting Earth when in fact they usually ignore most evidence and attempt to bias the argument with ridicule.

[profquatermass]

"He never sought publicity or gained financially from the ensuing media interest".

Why would he need to? People came to his door and he got Media attention.

"he continued to stand by every word of his account" and he was medically well at 88?

Considering he died shortly later, suggests he wasn't.

Why wasn't he interviewed 5, 10 or 15 years ago, when he was better? Why wasn't this subject raised years ago. Why did people wait until the witness was ill?

Bizarre.

[ar4216]

By the way profquatermass, if you turn out to be correct that is pretty cool. You knew something that all of ufology and the skeptics who are always looking to deride it did not know. It's certainly possible that such an article existed. Still, I think it would be highly unusual to get the participants for this documentary after such a confession, especially given how sincere they all seem. But you could be right. I have a feeling an article existed but you're misremembering what it said.

[profquatermass]

Every report on Close Encounters of the 3rd kind has proven to be a hoax of some sort. Why should this one be any different?

"I have a feeling an article existed but you're misremembering what it".

Yes, there is always that possibility. The human mind is so easily mislead and even easier altered over time. Yet, we still use witness testimony to sentence a person to imprisonment years after the event.

[ar4216]

"Every report on Close Encounters of the 3rd kind has proven to be a hoax of some sort. Why should this one be any different?"

That's not true. Even Blue Book, which was essentially a debunking exercise, came up with some genuine unknowns. I think Travis Walton and Socorro, New Mexico are two cases that remain intriguing. Skeptics have offered alternative explanations for these cases of course but that doesn't mean they've been proven to be a hoax.

[ar4216]

profquatermass, why don't you respond to what fartbumdig has stated regarding the retraction you claim was made. He was one of the main investigators and says there was no such thing.

[profquatermass]

Because I didn't read any such comment here?

Has he removed it?

[ar4216]

Hi. No, it's still here. I was simply asking what you thought of it. It's around the fourth comment down on this page (after I make this comment). I'm thinking you read an article years ago and read into it something that it did not say- something that you wanted to believe. However, I still think there is a chance you are correct in what you read. I just have a hard time not seeing how such an admission wouldn't receive wider coverage.

[profquatermass]

The guy may have made moulds. But what of it? The Forester admitted to faking them..

How difficult is it to make a hole in the ground?

I smiled when you said being biased towards me misreading an article years ago. Who knows you could be right. But hey, a witness report is enough to get people thrown into prison even if it is decades old. Scary isn't it?

In the end you are obviously biased in 1 direction and me in another. We all need to watch we don't get biased due to personal experiences.

[ar4216]

I think I'm being reasonable. You made a claim and I can find nothing to back it up. You say there was an article in the local paper where he admitted he made it all up- yet not a single ufologist or debunker seems to have been aware of the article and spread the word more widely? This is a very important case in the UK. I would think someone would ring up someone and say, "Have a look at this." However, I do still think you could be recalling the story accurately. I'm doubtful but not certain.

[ar4216]

And another reason I think you're wrong is the participation of the people in this video AFTER the article where you claim he said it was all a hoax. Come on now, does that make a bit of sense. He tells the local paper it's all a hoax and then you get a bunch of local people in the video verifying that he's being sincere when he says what happened to him is the truth.

[profquatermass]

And just how do character references make his claim any more valid?

The article I read made it clear he had physiological problems. Maybe he didn't know them back then or didn't tell them?

Character references are no reason to believe a physical event happened.

[ar4216]

You're trying to change the subject. The point is not whether his claim is valid- you said he admitted it was all a hoax to the newspaper. If he had done so common sense would tell you he and everyone else would not have participated in this video later on- or if they did they would have a very different story to tell. In addition, one of the lead investigators in the case, the man who is in possession of the trousers, says this admission you are talking about never happened.

[ar4216]

I can't say for certain the article you claim to have read was never printed and has the admission you says it does. But I think a reasonable person would come to the conclusion you are mistaken.

[cbryzoe4]

@profquatermass What article? where? when?

[Omega7adam]

I don't believe alien but more of inter-dimensional travelers of from the future.

[profquatermass]

Bob Taylor published a retraction in the local newspaper - The West Lothian Courier 10 years later.

He claimed he was ill and under stress at the time and made it all up.

We locals all know this, so why doesn't the rest of the world?

[ar4216]

Really? So why did the police officer and the doctor agree to participate in this? You would think they would be locals and would be aware of his retraction. Also, why did he agree to participate in this. This is a recent documentary isn't it? What exactly did he say in his "retraction"? Can you point to the specifics of such an article- I'm assuming you have it or have seen it?

[profquatermass]

Only the chief was in that interview, not the local Bobby who lived next door and had to walk up there.

I made my specifics. It was in the West Lothian Courier. Of course my memory isn't tagged with the exact year, month, day it was published all those years ago.

But I remember reading it and we all had a good laugh over it.

Do I want to go into the Courier office and spent hours looking through old copies just to prove something to anyone?

Let the researchers do that.

[ar4216]

"I made my specifics."

You checked with someone at the paper? I'm thinking you had a relative who told you they read something years ago and you're passing along their erroneous info as fact. You honestly think his coworkers, the police, the doctor, and he himself would have participated in this film if he had told the local paper it was all a hoax years earlier. Until the article is produced I call bs on your story. There are skeptics who would have been all over his retraction- if it occurred.

[profquatermass]

No, no relative. I read it myself. Why would you make that bit of fantasy up? This is how Chinese whispers start.

He did tell the paper, but he obviously didn't tell them for whatever reason.

My statement is just as valid as his statement about 'UFOs' if you were to ask me.

[ar4216]

There is an article from November 12 (just a few days ago) in the West Lothian Courier (the same paper you say he told it was all a hoax to) titled:

Anniversary of "West Lothian Question" UFO mystery

You can read it online. The article makes no mention of him telling them it was all a hoax. I doubt what you're saying because all these locals agreed to participate in this and take it seriously- surely they wouldn't have done that if he had told the local paper it was all a hoax?

[profquatermass]

Why not? Do you honestly think a local Journalist in a tiny local paper would look up a small article published over 15 years ago just on the off chance? The paper isn't that organised.

[ar4216]

"We locals all know this, so why doesn't the rest of the world?"

Based on a recent article apparently the locals at The West Lothian Courier, the paper you allege he told this to, don't know it. What you're saying could be right but seems doubtful. I hope you try to track down the article you speak of and if you cannot find such a retraction you should acknowledge your mistake. If you can find talking to the paper and saying it was a hoax that's important and you should let people know.

[MrWhizzpop]

i couldn't find any evidence that he confessed it was a lie. everything says the same thing;  'He never sought publicity or gained financially from the ensuing media interest - and he continued to stand by every word of his account.'

[profquatermass]

Well in the early nineties there wasn't much archiving on database and I doubt the same reporter is still on staff.

It was a tiny article. No doubt not trying to bring attention to the large front page story they had previous. No paper likes to advertise its mistakes.

As it was only in the local paper for a week, no wonder most people outside our street didn't pick up on it.

Probably I did because of my interest and no doubt due to me living next door to the local bobby who went up there.

[ar4216]

So then you yourself read this article? Perhaps the article existed but was of a skeptical bent and you read into it he confessed and said it was all a hoax when nothing of the sort occurred? Anyway, I hope someone sees your comment and tries to track down the article you are referring to- and they don't waste their time on a wild goose chase.

[TeEnZiE]

@profquatermass Well there's an article about a pschic examining his trousers in 1990 so I would imagine they'd keep one about him saying it was all a hoax.