we can't deny that bad music and good music is a matter of our personal taste.what i call bad music someone else calls it good.but of course we can't deny either that when we play a modern piece like this,even if we miss a whole bar or play wrong notes for ten measures long...noone's gonna notice!!! but if we do that on bach or chopin etc. it will be a complete disaster!! i think my point is very clear.........thank you.
Yes, it's marvelous to hear this. But I think it's rather obvious how difficult and unappealing it may be for those who aren't familiar with this genre of repertoire to appreciate this composition. It would be wonderful if we could all either enjoy this sonata or dismiss it, regardless of the comments down below. Fighting seemingly uninformed comments with pretention and pedantry doesn't open anyone's ears any wider. I'm glad I was able to finally hear this sonata.
Lyatoshynsky is new to me and thanks 4 posting! Initially what I heard and saw was reminiscent of Scriabin (of the 7th Sonata style), and possibly a bit of Feinberg and Prokofiev On first hearing I can't say I really like the music (I warmed up to Scriabin and Feinberg and Roslavets faster), but I see there's more to listen to, which I will!
This sounds like someone had a Seizure next to a piano, I didn't mark it down, because I understand that there is probably alot to this piece...I just don't understand it personally.
Euphony and Music are different things. If the music should be made only with "good" and "pleasurefull" sounds, also all the paintings must be made with beautiful colors? So could we ever burn all modern painters and composer???
tearing velcro is NOT music , we make a fine little difference where intellect , style , brains and creativity come in never mind hard study and rehearsals
It's supposed to sound like a concert pianist playing a very difficult piano sonata from a Russian avant-garde composer of the 1920s.
How do you hear a child in this recording? I doubt many children could play this. As for the "banging," it's called expression. If you can only handle silvery filigree, legato pianissimo, and cantabile melodic lines, this angry piece is not for you.
Is all noise music? If so, how do you decide what is good music distinct from bad music. If there is no distinction then what is the difference artistically between the tantrum of a child banging on the piano to work of merit? Would you call my random angry banging on the piano, the music?
Yes, noise is music. I define music as sound in time. Tearing velcro, plucking the E string on a guitar, and your random angry banging on the piano are all examples of music.
Labeling music good or bad is subjective and if it's to be taken seriously, requires thoughtful and learned explanation. Calling a piece of music bad simply because you don't like it is unacceptable; at least, it will be dismissed by most music connoisseurs unless you raise some valid argument.
So is the burden of proof in dismissing a piece of music as bad on the dismisser, or is the burden on the proponent of the music? Should I label all music I find mundane as good, if I can't give a thoughtful or learned explanation, why it is bad. Or is it the other way round, I should presume music I don't appreciate, as not good, till a thoughtful and learned explanation of why it is good is given to me?
Shostakovich and Bartok banged on the piano and their music doesn't sound like angry children at the keyboard, right? You might be interested to know that the present sonata is *tame* compared to many piano works of the mid-late 20th-century.
Your comment about a child banging on the piano, while still misguided and inappropriate, would be in good company if posted on a Sciarrino or Finnissy video. Lyatoshynsky is as delicate as Chopin in comparison.
I am inclined to the latter, as otherwise I would be basing my belief on blind faith. Blind faith has great benefits in that it can persuade one to perservere till one sees the truth. But blind faith often is misguided, when there is no truth to be found and inevitably leads one duped by frauds. I rather give the benefit of the doubt to help me persevere, but only in cases when it is reasonable to give it and always reserve my approval to only when proof is clear.
@Hexameron You, sire, gave him a gold good lesson. My greetings from Brazil, south coast. I'd like to add children would prefer banging to more consonant levels, since moreso, if not all, find it pleasing and entertaining, whilst such piece may even be thought to defy the listener into being capable of handling it until the end. As a graduated music critic and being taught in history of music, I must admit, you, sire Hexameron, did a good example of counter-argument. My greetings once more.
@mehandas Probably no one would listen. You're right, because you are -- I assume -- not a Varèse, or a Sorabji, or a Roslavets, or Lyatoshynsky. A lot of 20th century music is very accessible, if you just learn to listen, not filter the music through standard. Try Rzewski's pueblo Unido, for instance, get in to it, switch off the lights and follow the theme as it goes through the hoops. Do you have a piano? Play three blin mice in C using a new register for each note. Have fun.
@mehandas Well I wouldn't say this a 5 star example of the forgotten Russian avant-garde; The greatest proponent Is Roslavets. The fact you can't differentiate between this organized albeit dissonant music, and a child or cat or whatever banging a piano, shows you're musically ignorant and should try listening to other 20th century composers besides Rachmaninov......it would do some good for your ears.
@mehandas I have some sympathy for your comment, as this sounds horrid to me as well. But by the plain fact that this is actually written out with notes shows that the composer had at least some form in mind. Whatever form that may be...well, don't ask me.
Could you tell me what is OOP (back order? Out of stock?...I could get this sonata among the complete works for piano but I have to say I prefer YOUR version by far.
Particularly since I have contacted the cd label for the Lyatoshynsky pieces ( in Prague) , and am advised the cd is OOP and supply, and get the distinct impression no further production is contemplated even though originally issued just in 2006 . A Ukrainian retailer alledgedly in business since 1999 has none, nor does Amazon.
If you find a source for the Lyatoshynsky cd, please let me know. Thanks.
His later works are much milder and audience-friendly. This Sonata is great but hard-hitting! Soviet Futurism produced some complex and insanely difficult music to play.
Hexameron, thanks for the Sonata! I have his symphonies and other symphonic pieces on the Russian label and love his music. Perhaps the greatest composer from the Ukraine?
You have the advantage over me as I haven't heard any of his symphonies. Have you heard his Slavic Concerto? I saw this on a recording and wonder what I'm missing... Keep checking my channel because I'll be uploading all of Lyatoshynsky's solo piano music soon.
The quieter moments remind me of Scarbo...in fact, even the appassionato moments remind me of Ravel.
TheWanderingNight 1 month ago
to work out the timing would take me ages let alone playing it but its lovely
afertyus1000 2 months ago
how the hell are you suppose to remember this piece?!
94LG 5 months ago
I meant Scriabin's and Prokofiev's aesthetics.
rayclentchris 6 months ago
I find it interesting how he supposedly rejected Scriabin's and Rach's aesthetics even though his music is very similar.
rayclentchris 6 months ago
we can't deny that bad music and good music is a matter of our personal taste.what i call bad music someone else calls it good.but of course we can't deny either that when we play a modern piece like this,even if we miss a whole bar or play wrong notes for ten measures long...noone's gonna notice!!! but if we do that on bach or chopin etc. it will be a complete disaster!! i think my point is very clear.........thank you.
666KINKY999 9 months ago
Yes, it's marvelous to hear this. But I think it's rather obvious how difficult and unappealing it may be for those who aren't familiar with this genre of repertoire to appreciate this composition. It would be wonderful if we could all either enjoy this sonata or dismiss it, regardless of the comments down below. Fighting seemingly uninformed comments with pretention and pedantry doesn't open anyone's ears any wider. I'm glad I was able to finally hear this sonata.
ajwiebe 10 months ago
If I saw a child play this I'd fucking LOL....
addeex1 1 year ago 3
I like it!
CloverMouse081227 1 year ago
Since posting my last comment I found that I HAVE heard this composer before.
I heard his fourth symphony about a month ago, I liked it enough to favorite it and have found it quite an enjoyable piece every now and then.
mahler151 1 year ago
Though I've never heard this composer, this piece sounds quite Jazzy to me.
Would you say he's Avante-Garde or just Modernist?
mahler151 1 year ago
Lyatoshynsky is new to me and thanks 4 posting! Initially what I heard and saw was reminiscent of Scriabin (of the 7th Sonata style), and possibly a bit of Feinberg and Prokofiev On first hearing I can't say I really like the music (I warmed up to Scriabin and Feinberg and Roslavets faster), but I see there's more to listen to, which I will!
eurisko618 1 year ago
This sounds like someone had a Seizure next to a piano, I didn't mark it down, because I understand that there is probably alot to this piece...I just don't understand it personally.
nleguellec 1 year ago
pianist seems not to be able to do LH legato for some reason...
AntiProUltra 1 year ago
this is garbage
predoje 1 year ago
Lyatoshynsky has me at Concert Etude Rondo, but after this, we may have to spend the rest of our lives together. An epic masterpiece.
cjdarnieder 1 year ago
Euphony and Music are different things. If the music should be made only with "good" and "pleasurefull" sounds, also all the paintings must be made with beautiful colors? So could we ever burn all modern painters and composer???
filoclito 1 year ago
@TheSeraskier Apologies, for some reason I thought the initial comment was addressed to me. My sincere apologies. Have a good day!
mehandas 1 year ago
@TheSeraskier I apologise if I sound
judgmental, but you don't sound very
mature or civil or nice, with unpleasant ad hominem
remarks. If you want to discuss music
in a mature intellectual manner, I have no
problem, nor will anyone, but spewing
abusive language reflects badly on you,
and isn't something I or anyone will
entertain for long.
mehandas 1 year ago
@TheSeraskier How old are you?
mehandas 1 year ago
Jazzy. I love it.
erikstouffer 2 years ago
extraño
amimerit 2 years ago
tearing velcro is NOT music , we make a fine little difference where intellect , style , brains and creativity come in never mind hard study and rehearsals
mradipatti 2 years ago
is it supposed sound like a child banging the piano?
mehandas 2 years ago
It's supposed to sound like a concert pianist playing a very difficult piano sonata from a Russian avant-garde composer of the 1920s.
How do you hear a child in this recording? I doubt many children could play this. As for the "banging," it's called expression. If you can only handle silvery filigree, legato pianissimo, and cantabile melodic lines, this angry piece is not for you.
Hexameron 2 years ago 8
I can bang on the piano. angrily, random notes 'very expressively' but I wouldn't expect anyone listen and call it music
mehandas 2 years ago
How do you define music?
Hexameron 2 years ago
Is all noise music? If so, how do you decide what is good music distinct from bad music. If there is no distinction then what is the difference artistically between the tantrum of a child banging on the piano to work of merit? Would you call my random angry banging on the piano, the music?
mehandas 2 years ago
Would you call it good music even?
mehandas 2 years ago
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Emanresu56 2 years ago
Yes, noise is music. I define music as sound in time. Tearing velcro, plucking the E string on a guitar, and your random angry banging on the piano are all examples of music.
Labeling music good or bad is subjective and if it's to be taken seriously, requires thoughtful and learned explanation. Calling a piece of music bad simply because you don't like it is unacceptable; at least, it will be dismissed by most music connoisseurs unless you raise some valid argument.
Hexameron 2 years ago 3
So is the burden of proof in dismissing a piece of music as bad on the dismisser, or is the burden on the proponent of the music? Should I label all music I find mundane as good, if I can't give a thoughtful or learned explanation, why it is bad. Or is it the other way round, I should presume music I don't appreciate, as not good, till a thoughtful and learned explanation of why it is good is given to me?
mehandas 2 years ago
Shostakovich and Bartok banged on the piano and their music doesn't sound like angry children at the keyboard, right? You might be interested to know that the present sonata is *tame* compared to many piano works of the mid-late 20th-century.
Your comment about a child banging on the piano, while still misguided and inappropriate, would be in good company if posted on a Sciarrino or Finnissy video. Lyatoshynsky is as delicate as Chopin in comparison.
Hexameron 2 years ago 15
I am inclined to the latter, as otherwise I would be basing my belief on blind faith. Blind faith has great benefits in that it can persuade one to perservere till one sees the truth. But blind faith often is misguided, when there is no truth to be found and inevitably leads one duped by frauds. I rather give the benefit of the doubt to help me persevere, but only in cases when it is reasonable to give it and always reserve my approval to only when proof is clear.
mehandas 2 years ago
To conclude, can you give me a thoughtful and learned explanation why this piece of music is good, and how I could appreciate it?
mehandas 2 years ago
@Hexameron You, sire, gave him a gold good lesson. My greetings from Brazil, south coast. I'd like to add children would prefer banging to more consonant levels, since moreso, if not all, find it pleasing and entertaining, whilst such piece may even be thought to defy the listener into being capable of handling it until the end. As a graduated music critic and being taught in history of music, I must admit, you, sire Hexameron, did a good example of counter-argument. My greetings once more.
EmptyKingdoms 1 month ago
@mehandas Probably no one would listen. You're right, because you are -- I assume -- not a Varèse, or a Sorabji, or a Roslavets, or Lyatoshynsky. A lot of 20th century music is very accessible, if you just learn to listen, not filter the music through standard. Try Rzewski's pueblo Unido, for instance, get in to it, switch off the lights and follow the theme as it goes through the hoops. Do you have a piano? Play three blin mice in C using a new register for each note. Have fun.
Malaka57 1 year ago
@Hexameron I'm sorry, i gave you a thumbs down when actually i meant to give you a thumbs up.
UnScriptedFlix 5 months ago
No it is highly romantic, with extension toward modernism.
trees1 2 years ago
@mehandas you my friend are a troglodyte. A pointless argument.
rezmogm 1 year ago
@mehandas Well I wouldn't say this a 5 star example of the forgotten Russian avant-garde; The greatest proponent Is Roslavets. The fact you can't differentiate between this organized albeit dissonant music, and a child or cat or whatever banging a piano, shows you're musically ignorant and should try listening to other 20th century composers besides Rachmaninov......it would do some good for your ears.
Neongrapes 1 year ago
@mehandas
this is a sonata form and it is well composed
calling it "child banging the piano" just reveals how little you know about (modern) music or music at all
vkoracx 11 months ago
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TchesnokovDimitri 3 months ago
@mehandas I have some sympathy for your comment, as this sounds horrid to me as well. But by the plain fact that this is actually written out with notes shows that the composer had at least some form in mind. Whatever form that may be...well, don't ask me.
BenGabbay 1 month ago
Could you tell me what is OOP (back order? Out of stock?...I could get this sonata among the complete works for piano but I have to say I prefer YOUR version by far.
Myasko
myaskovsky2002 3 years ago
I believe OOP means out-of-print. That means if I'm not mistaken, that it is not being made anymore.
Marcomedina 2 years ago
Please where can I find and buy his sonatas?
Martin
myaskovsky2002 3 years ago
Particularly since I have contacted the cd label for the Lyatoshynsky pieces ( in Prague) , and am advised the cd is OOP and supply, and get the distinct impression no further production is contemplated even though originally issued just in 2006 . A Ukrainian retailer alledgedly in business since 1999 has none, nor does Amazon.
If you find a source for the Lyatoshynsky cd, please let me know. Thanks.
Rugby
rugby52732 3 years ago
I love this Sonata! Thanks for uploading, while I use to play it at home I had never listened to it.
SchmuyleHauksendorf 3 years ago
He has opened the gates of hell in this piece...
Reaper978 3 years ago 3
Exactly!..i like your comment! Reaper978
johnnynoirman 1 year ago
Very passionate indeed. Thanks for posting this wonderful music.
qtpipi 3 years ago 4
Great stuff :O
John11inch 3 years ago 2
Thanks everybody who make to us possible to listen music which otherwise would be impossible to hear.Thanks.
in4stal 3 years ago 12
His later works are much milder and audience-friendly. This Sonata is great but hard-hitting! Soviet Futurism produced some complex and insanely difficult music to play.
bartje11 3 years ago
Hexameron, The Slavic Concerto is great.
Russian Disk CD 11055 Symphony no. 1 + Ouverture on 4 Ukrainian Themes + Tone Poem
RD CD 11059 Symphony no. 2 + Slavic Concerto
RD CD 11060 Symphony no. 3 + Romeo and Juliet Suite
RD CD 11062 Symphony no. 4 + On the Banks of the Vistula + Lyric Poem
The last two tone poems are very beautiful. Haunting. The symphonies, especially no. 4 have that brooding quality, I am sure you'll love.
bartje11 3 years ago
Thanks for listing this discography and I'll definitely explore these works. Do you own any of the Marco Polo label releases?
Hexameron 3 years ago
No, I wish.
bartje11 3 years ago
Hexameron, thanks for the Sonata! I have his symphonies and other symphonic pieces on the Russian label and love his music. Perhaps the greatest composer from the Ukraine?
bartje11 3 years ago
You have the advantage over me as I haven't heard any of his symphonies. Have you heard his Slavic Concerto? I saw this on a recording and wonder what I'm missing... Keep checking my channel because I'll be uploading all of Lyatoshynsky's solo piano music soon.
Hexameron 3 years ago