Gulf of Tonkin Controversy from 60 Minutes -- LBJ, Fulbright, Morse

[goohgulliscia]

Johnson's psychotic rabid deceit, wickedness and accomplice to the murders of a million Vietnamese and 50k U.S. soldiers--plus one President--sowed the seeds for his final massive heart attack. Johnson is proof that one can supposedly 'have it all' yet lose one's soul. Serving high satanic murderous masters is always a recipe for eternal destruction. Johnson served Satan, death and destruction. But where was Christ in his life?

[Boelcke1919]

I think it bears repeating and understanding that not since December 8, 1941 has our government through Congress (as required by the Constitution) actually declared war prior to one being fought.

[jshalom65]

The Congress of The United States of America (the only governmental body duly charged under Constitution to declare war) has not issued a declaration of since December 8,1941.ALL THE WARS SINCE THEN HAVE BEEN UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND THEREFORE ILLEGAL(no matter what the excuse or rationalization or lie or half-truth used to justify them).RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2012/R.I.P. WAYNE MORSE

[mrahmedmido2]

@jshalom65 commander in chief?

[Boelcke1919]

Most people don't know that for years prior to the war taking off, Ho Chi Minh begged the USA to support him, but we went with France, the colonial power and our alleged friend.

[Boelcke1919]

Had the "insiders", the "secret government" and the CIA left Jack Kennedy alone and not killed him, that Vietnam War would have been over in 1965 and close to 58,000 Americans (and countless Asians and others) would not have died.

[2much4mymirror]

It's truly uncanny how much he sounds at 2:13 like Dubya sounded 40 years later. Same Texas drawl, same glint in the eye, same sweeping grasp at power in the name of "preemption."

[flyzerogravity]

Flt 455 the first terrorist (supposed) attack has CIA written all over it... Check it out. Then watch "Pilots4Truth911" video on flt175 being modified showing the bulge on the right bottom of fuselage or Flt 11s huge flash before impact

[SuspiciousPatriot]

All I see is one Mason, interviewing another Mason and neither one of them would ever want to seriously discuss JFK's murder.

In a nutshell - two pieces of crap talking BS to one another, in an effort to delude and deceive any and all.

[cruisersism]

This Evil LBJ statement WE believe refers to the murder of JFK

"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"

YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv

[RoonGang09]

lol, when are we going to see this type of inerview with Bush?

[Quex01]

There was nothing "controversial" about that indicent. It was 100% judeo-american operation, to get their hands to Vietnamese opium fields.

[midsizedwhiteboy]

@88bIockNS true. But either LBJ said on tape after 11/22 "get me re-elected and I'll get you your damn war " in some meeting.The points about Hoover probaly scratch the tip of the iceberg.Remember this guy publicly kept saying there was no Mafia for years( 30's to 1957) while associating and taking free trips from mobsters to racetracks,etc.Hoover and Johnson both had a lot to gain by having LBJ in office.

[midsizedwhiteboy]

@88bIockNS can you tell me where to find the 11/29 conversation between lbj/hoover/ i remember hearing a tape where johnson pretty much said ater 11/22 get me re-elected and i will get you your or a damn war.thanks.

[ConspiracyHist]

DONT LISTON TO THIS SPOOK JgarfbiHoover HE IS A GOVERNMENT OP AGENT SENT ON HERE TO LIE TO YOU AND DEFEND SCUM LIKE LBJ.

[JgarfbiHoover]

@ConspiracyHist The CIA in the time frame of the Kennedy Assassnation was liberal wall to wall Ivy League Do-Gooders who wouldn't of hurt a fly so JFK decided to toughen them up a bit.

The only time the CIA (Acting against it's own wishes and they got 'Others' to do it for them) was made to murder people was when JFK's first priority as President of the US was the assassination of Prime Minister Lumumba of the Congo (Op Ike), President Trujillo of the Dominican Republic & Premier Diem of SVN

[ConspiracyHist]

@JgarfbiHoover you are one sorry pathetic government spook who should be ashamed of your two faced un-amercian COINTLEPRO op on here. how much do you have to pay a person to sellout?

[JgarfbiHoover]

@ConspiracyHist "how much do you have to pay a person to sellout?"

I was given '30 Pieces of Silver' to make honest commentary, to counter the plethora of CONspiracy Freaks that infest the boards here at YT. But after a long & thoughtful consideration I gave the money back & decided to offer my services for free. Ppl like you who hoax & deceive others for your political agend are nothing more than 'Hatriots' ppl who think it's 'Patriotic' to 'Hate' owns own elected government

Live with it !

[ConspiracyHist]

@JgarfbiHoover

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom -- go from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were even our countrymen!

[10Faenor]

@ConspiracyHist jgarfbihoover is Thomas Lowery, a know disinformation asshole. This vermin boy has many other screen names, including his favorite called cdddraftsman. He is a friend of the CIA asshole called John McAdams.

[petsounds75]

I like seeing Texans put in their places. Nothing but a bunch of snake oil salesman using crazy scenarios to push their bullshit.

[theguitarczar]

What a COWARD!

[JgarfbiHoover]

@esb84 "its kind of sad to see" illiterate hillbillys trying desperately to hijack history by using ignorance as an excuse. RFK to A. Shysterwinger on the Hilsman cable "he [JFK] always thought it was a great mistake [JFK Assassinating Diem] it led us down a road we never fully recovered from" The instability & lack of political leadership in Siagon INSURED MASSIVE US GROUND FORCES WOULD BE NEEDED IN THE NEAR FUTURE IN VN (JFK's 1965 GOAL) Pull yer head otta yer butt & read a history book dud

[JgarfbiHoover]

@arttoeg "LBJ admits "There were no US losses. In his Address to the Nation, delivered by radio, tv & the press" (Every 2 wks JFK held press conf.) JFK while admonishing US Steel's decision to raise their prices, commented about the arrogance of such a move when all Americans were asked to make sacrifices, quote "and 4 more soldiers lost their lives in VN in the past wk" bringing the total into the hundreds KIA. JFK was angry but did nothing LBJ got even w/ 'Op Rolling Thunder' against NVN.

[JgarfbiHoover]

@moh1612 "Gulf of Tonkin's distant cousin is 9/11" Leave it to illiterate hillbillys to get it backasswards everytime. What you mean (irrationally) is just the opposite. "9/11"s distant cousin is the G of T. If today the G of T occured it's future "distant cousin" would be "9/11'. Makes sense since you fkd up by saying "same false flag trait". AAMOF the NVN admitted then & now that they attacked on the 1st days fighting AND LOST 2 PT-BOATS IN THE ATTEMPT. This is covered up by CONspiracists

[JgarfbiHoover]

@faroutadventures P1 "Johnson" The only thing "far out" about your comments were their stupidity. LBJ is credited w/getting JFK's Civil Rights Bill codified into law after JFK forgot to duck in Dealey Plaza. This reinforces comments made by PT-Boat members complaining he spent more time chasing nurses than the Japs. Picture JFK smiling in joy when his bill was stuck in Congress never to be passed. Thank God LBJ had his good chocolate face loving friend JE Hoover to help him 

[JgarfbiHoover]

@faroutadventures P2 out eh asswipe revisionist? LBJ btw made a speech thats credited in starting the Civil Rights movement. LBJ after 'Sputnik' was begged by clueless JFK to come up w/a "Scientific Bonanza" that would prove "US World Leadership". LBJ steered the recommendation for landing a man on the Moon. The same hoaxers who CONspired in JFK's death countered w/the silly backasswards 'Moon Landing Hoax' in vain attempts to make LBJ's presidency as big a floperoo as that 'Irish Mobsters' was.

[dannyd1572]

You think Lyndon is bitter?

[Thule000]

@TheMaseratiMusik I'm not sure he would have avoided Vietnam, he is the one who ordered "advisors" into the country after all

[dannyd1572]

@Thule000 It was actually Eisenhower that sent in the advisors.

[zenoist2]

and the same trick is used for 9/11 except idiots cant see it. You want war? Fine go ahead and create a scapegoat. the latest one is Osama bin laden who incidentally isnt wanted by the fbi for 911 because theres no proof at all. zilch zero nothing. Without the evil mastermind the plot looks pretty pathetic. and desperate

Incidentally hes dead but will officially live to a ripe old age, we cant have special forces soldiers off on a wild goose chase can we?

[RaikenXion]

a Cud'atat (pardon the spelling) with Lyndon B waiting in the wings. JFK didnt want to go to war in Vietnam, and Johnson reversed his order. America needs war to fuel their economy.

[arttoeg]

The US war with Vietnam was a matter of the obedient misled by a bad order. US government made sure we all KNEW there was no casualties in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Goverment and media then said "this means war", even though there was no casualties, not even threat from Vietnam: NO CAUSE. This is the US war with Vietnam guilt complex.

[arttoeg]

The depravity of the US war with Vietnam is still being suppressed. In his Address to the Nation, delivered by radio, television and the press on August 4, 1964, LBJ admits "There were no US losses." in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. At the time of the speech, this was true. August 5 NYT published the speech and a report from the Pentagon of "no casualties, no damages". Conventional histories and internet search suppress this speech and report, pushing LBJ's August 5 speech to Congress instead.

[faroutadventures]

Johnson reminds me of a homeless guy ranting about how he can't get food stamps. Johnson was a tyrant and an imbecile. Take a look at the commentator. He looks scared. I think Johnson was on the verge of insanity. Amazing that the guy was a President.

[YouAreOneOfUs]

The LBJ's tapes were released and in his own words you here him admitting he had JFK murdered and he wanted the USS Liberty to be sunk , he called off rescue ships and planes.

I thought the Gulf of Tonkin was already public knowledge that that was faked.

[Yellyist]

@IhateNEOconservatism Kennedy should NEVER have been killed....

[huckstered]

@ToxicOdiousOne total nonsense.

[TrueNovice]

@IhateNEOconservatism Every military advisor told JFK we needed to bomb the Cuban missiles before they became opeartional. He did not do so. JFK also rebuffed requests for combat troops. And just what happened in the Gulf Of Tonkin. The American were not attacked but their equipment told them they were under attack. So how was that pulled off? Who did that, if not some kind of false flag covert action?

[TennesseeJed]

Let history show Wayne L. Morse was a true patriot.

[TrueNovice]

@TennesseeJed  And let history also show that Wayne L. Morse was voted out in the next election, by a guy who questioned his patriotism for not supporting "the troops." The scam never ends.

[MassacreBlast]

9-11 is the latest justification for war. It's a war that will go on and on as well since it's the war on 'terror'. You never have a clearly defined opponent so it's on going.

[Breeslave]

Hello everyone where can I see the whole LBJ interview? thanks.

[armageddon860]

I'm writting a paper for my History class where do i find the text of the declassifications?

[whoo689]

LBJ is so unscrupulous. "We didn't declare war because we're a bunch of pansies who were afraid of the other Communist states North Vietnam was allied with that might go after us." Lol...wut? So instead he continued the presidential tradition of these idiotic use of force resolutions and evading the Constitution?? And congress once again evaded its constitutional responsibilities.

[Tien1185]

I hate LBJ-LoveBlowJob!!!!! LIAR LIAR !!!!

[4854derrida]

A rose by any other name...would still stink.

Morse, Greuning and Siler knew it was a bogus tapdance from the word "Go!"

Yet LBJ--with twenty-five years in Congress--insisted escalation was the way to go.

500,000 troops on the ground by 1968!

The Resolution allowed for war-like aggression---carried out with aplomb by supposedly innocent LBJ--but without a formal declaration of war by Congress.

Result: 58,000 Americans and 3 to 4 million Vietnamese dead! Empire's hubris.

[zenoist2]

an early version of 9/11.

create an incident and off you go suddenly at war and with war condition powers.

[MultiMeli123]

Amen! Yes indeed Gulf of Tonkin is just like 9/11 you are absolutely right!

[moh1612]

@zenoist2 Gulf of Tonkin's distant cousin is "September 11th 2001" same false flag trait

[drbayoms]

@zenoist2

Excuse me Gulf of TONKIN

[JgarfbiHoover]

@zenoist2 "create an incident & off u go" You mean YOU create hatred by exonerating the guilty & incriminating the innocent using Nazi tactics don't you? Long Beach Naval Shipyard Open House after the return of the USS Maddox I personally saw the machine gun strakes by the NVN PT-Boats on the aft superstructure, talked w/sailors who manned the quad 40mm bofors, the NVN admitted to attacking on the 1st days fighting AND WE HAD PHOTO PROOF THAT WE SANK 2 OF THEIR PT-BOATS. CONspiracy Sunk Again !

[ConspiracyHist]

@JgarfbiHoover And who the hell are you for us to believe you? I think I will bet on the documents admiting it was a fake event as well as the criminal shady crook behavior of ol lyin lyndon.

[JgarfbiHoover]

@ConspiracyHist "I will bet on the docs admiting it was a fake"

Which attack ? The 1st or the 2nd ? Why bet on USG "doc's" that are ambiguous Full of mistakes Innuendo Hearsay Evidence YOU DO REALISE ALL THOSE ARE CONTAINED IN USG REPORTS Nothing is left out Thats for the reader to discern & eliminate all the inconsistencies Thats seldom done if the poltical objective is to defeat the enemy (RvsD) in the next election So if you focus on evidence that ONLY supports your claim you're totally lost

[ConspiracyHist]

@JgarfbiHoover Man you just really want to believe that lie dont you. its interesting how it becomes emotionaly harmful to the person if the truth is just to hard, so you become dependent on the lie and desperately want to exscape the inevitable truth.

[jacobji5]

@ConspiracyHist jgarfbihoover has many screen names. It is a cia nazi lover. It's real name is Thomas Lowery.

[JgarfbiHoover]

@ConspiracyHist "Does it make it a good war then?"

~ We really haven't had a "good war" (What ever TF that means?) since WW2 were the enemy was a defined Nation you could defeat & they'd sign an armistist afterwards right? Since then we've had to contend with the embarrassment that the USSR actually won WW2 & they did it almost single handedly (Defeated 3/4th's of both German & Japanese Armies)

~ The Cold War was started by Truman (Saw Stalin as another Hitler) & made him even more paranoid

[ConspiracyHist]

@JgarfbiHoover Just ask yourself this one thing what do you have to gain by believing that LBJ and the military industrial complex including the intelligence didnt fake this and that they told us the whole truth? Does it make it a good war then? justifiable? What is it that drives you to believe this otherwise obviouse lie?

[JgarfbiHoover]

@ConspiracyHist "what do u have to gain by believing that LBJ & the MIC including the intelligence didnt fake this & that they told us the whole truth?"

#1 Independent Research (Primary Doc's) !

~ The NVN admitted they attacked the USS Maddox (1st day attack)

~ JFK was seething mad that he couldn't do more than POUR IN 16,000 COMBAT ADVISORS & UP SPENDING TO $400M/Yr

~ To JFK's credit he did start large scale defoiliation of jungles in SVN Google 'Op Ranch Hand' with Agent Orange

Oooops !

[ConspiracyHist]

@JgarfbiHoover You sir are a pathetic excuse for a human being and should better be catigorized as a troll.

[JgarfbiHoover]

@ConspiracyHist "You sir are a pathetic excuse for a human being & Blah Blah Blah"

Translated :

~ "I got my ass kicked by Jgar who not only knows his 'Military Stuff' but knows when a 'Hoax' intended to 'Hi-Jack History' is being perpetrated on the dimwittted, best I stear clear of Jgar in the future. Better yet I'll retreat & call him a troll, that should do it for now

:-( Paste My Sad Face Here )-:"

You're very weak, intellectually dishonest, no critical or skeptical thinking skills

[murasak]

I would have loved 5 minutes alone in a room with that mother fucker LBJ. Just 5 fucking minutes. Him or Bushy..gimme 5 minutes alone with him...PLEASE!

[Rjackman84]

Criminal

[esb84]

Its kind of sad to see Johnson blaming others for the war that he escalated, even after his presidency. The buck stops at the Oval Office, he cant blame anybody else.

[jordinho13]

Wars aren't fought by one person.

[MultiMeli123]

You're right wars are not started by one person...it's a whole shadow group of elitist that want to control the world government! Democrats & Republicans don't make the final decisions in things THEY do.

[ThePrimeDirective]

@esb84

Blaming others? No accountabililty? Sounds like Obama...

[10Faenor]

@esb84 He did not start the war or want the war all by himself. LBJ understood the agreements made between him and other unelected vermin. JFK was going to pull out the troops the next year & LBJ was going to be replaced during the next election. He was told this. So LBJ made his deal with his own vermin kind. Kill JFK, take the presidency, declare war for the military / industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about.

[JAGWAH66]

@esb84 Don't be naive. He was no more a president than this puppet that's in office now. He was just following orders since his predecessor did not. If he didn't.....BANG! BANG!!

[drbayoms]

@JAGWAH66

Correct!

[cdddraftsman]

@esb84 "Johnson blaming others"

* From 1963 (JFK sent in 16,000 Combat Advisors for a large scale insurgency) to 1968 (LBJ's 500,000 for a full scale war) both presidents sent a proportionate amount of troops for the amount of fighting that was occuring during their watch

* LBJ relied upon JFK's "Best & Brightest" hand picked advisors (Big Mac & Co.) to escalate. When blood was shed JFK's advisors RESIGNED/RAN LIKE COWARDS/LEFT LBJ HOLDING THE BAG JFK Responsible For 56,000 Dead Americans

[RainbowManification]

@esb84 Hes a sociopath. He is a pathological liar

[JgarfbiHoover]

@ConspiracyHist "e[x]scape the truth" JFK 'Racketeersman of the New Frontier'

~ Q : What Was JFK's 'Anti-Racketeering Crusade' All About?

~ A : It Was Actually JFK's Own Personal Protection Racket & Here's How It Worked

Mafia who gave $ & backed (R) Nixon (Hoffa & Beck) were hounded into prison on trumped up charges while Mafia who gave $ & backed (D) JFK (Walter & Victor Reuther) were allowed to commit crimes w/impunity Google Ralph de Toledano on the Hoffa Frame-Up

JGAR WAS APPALLED !

[BICKris]

@esb84 Tru dat... Gotta love that good ole' fashion American Foreign Policy. :P

[duhCider]

History shows that voices of reason are the last to be heard.