Até o América-MG faria jogo duro com o flamengo de 81, esse time do Liverpool cagava e andava pro mundial tanto que nunca ganhou, quem pegou o Liverpool interessado em alguma coisa foi o São Paulo só em 2005, e olha os times que chegavam em Copa Europa nessa época, Nottingham Forest, Burges, Borussia Monchegdablach ou sei la como escreve, Steua Bucarest, Aston Villa e Malmo kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@tiagomarine1 pega qualquer time do campeonato brasileiro de hoje pra enfrentar esse Flamengo...iria ser vergonhoso pros jogadores atuais...o próprio Pepe Guardiola disse isso.Inspirou o Barcelona no estilo de jogo do Brasil da década de 70 e 80 da Argentina e na seleção da Holanda...o futebol q vc vê do barça é o futebol q eu via todo domingo no paulistão e Campeonato Brasileiro...
O Flamengo de 1981 é superior á este Barcelona. Vamos lá: Raul ou Váldez? Raul. Leandro ou Daniel Alves? Leandro. Marinho ou Piqué? Piqué. Mozer ou Puyol? Mozer. Júnior ou Abidal? Júnior. Andrade ou Thiago? Andrade. Adílio ou Busquets? Adílio. Zico ou Xavi? Zico. Iniesta ou Tita? Iniesta. Lico ou ou Messi? Lico. Nunes ou Fábregas? Nunes. Placar final: Flamengo 8X3 Barcelona.
Io sono un tifoso italiano e ricordo perfettamente che in quell'irripetibile 1981 il Flamengo era senza ombra di dubbio la squadra di club più forte del mondo. Zico fu semplicemente fantastico. Secondo il mio giudizio quel Flamengo avrebbe battutto ogni avversario, di ieri di oggi e di domani. Se oggi quel Flamengo affrontasse il Barca, vincerebbe 3-0, nè più nè meno di quanto avvenne allora al Liverpool.
Flamengo: " Respect them forever, its a big club, they have a big history in latin america and they are from Brazil nation of soccer " !!! Great team 1981 !!!
I saw Zico talking about this match in an interview. He says the liverpool players spent the pre-match time mocking on the brazilian side while they were saying a prayer together...i bet the englishmen started to pray at half time after going down 0-3 LOL
maybe if this game had happened AFTER the 1982 World Cup, Liverpool players would know better about Flamengo.
I mean... I bet the Liverpool players were amazed as all the rest of the world with the 1982 Brazil team... then they remembered several of those players also played for Flamengo, so they thought "gee, we played against some of the best players ever, how could we have ignored them??"
Mundial: o campeão da Libertadores enfrentava o campeão da Europa, na prática os outros continentes não ganham o mundial, o Fla ganhou do Liverpool o time inglês qure ganhou todos os títulos naquela temporada. (ou algèm acha que Asia, Oceania e Africa) tinham potencial para ganhar o mundial? Néca Fla forever, Este time do Mengão foi considerado pela revista (world soccer) como o melhor time de tds os tempos, melhor que o santos de Pelé!
@Edinn38 O dado da World Soccer é mentiroso. Isso sem falar que essas pesquisas são para vender para o público, geralmente não utilizam critérios técnicos, objetivos. Quanto à possibilidade de derrota há fatores a serem elencados:
1) Se a competição fosse da FIFA, um campeonato mundial efetivamente, o Liverpool jogaria com mais vontade, assim como levou a sério o jogo com o São Paulo em 2005.
2)O Mazembe venceu o Internacional em 2010. Futebol é provado dentro do campo.
CR Flamengo campeón mundial de 1981 es el mejor equipo de la historia, y no Barcelona que es el mejor equipo de hoy. Este video demuestra que aún en aquella época tenía a mejor técnica, velocidad y físico que la de hoy.
Impressionante o ZICO ,o cara dificilmente errava, dava cada assistência milimétrica e que dinamismo, sem as firulas esses de hoje, de 70 p cá foi o melhor, o mais regular, foi o maior artilheiro meio campista do mundo 826gols, veloz, ambidestro, dibris curtos e desconcertantes, visão de jogo, raça, ótimo cabeceador, o melhor batedor de faltas da história, ótimo cobrador de penaltis, foi o mais completo. O fato de não ter ganho um capa do mundo, um torneio relâmpago ludibriam as pessoas.
Btw if you watch the whole game (it's on YouTube somewhere), you'll see that Liverpools main weakness in the game was their striker, Craig Johnston. That's no surpise: he was just 21, in his 1st year in Liverpool, and this game was his 1st start for the team, having scored only 1 goal in the previous months. I don't know why Ian Rush wasn't playing, maybe he was injured.
@reltiet I seriously doubt that a club in the beginning of the 80s would travel half of the world to play a match against the likes of Zico, Junior and Leandro and consider that as a friendly. No one plays friendlies in the middle of the season, specially when you have to take a travel like this one when airplanes and communications in general were not so developed as they are today.
@ls121231 The fact that Liverpool let striker Craig Johnston make his 1st start (!) for the team in this game is good indication that they didnt take it very seriously. Johnston was just 21, in his 1st year with Liverpool, just a reserve player until this and had only scored 1 goal so far. If you look at the game, he was Liverpools main weakness - they couldnt hold the ball upfront. I don't know why Ian Rush wasn't playing, maybe he was injured.
@reltiet If the center-forward of the team was injuried they obviously would put what they have. Its not an indication that they didn't take very seriously. Flamengo played without their finest center-back, Figueiredo, because he was injuried too. As I said, no one make such travel in the beginning of the 80s, in the middle of the season, to play a "friendly".
All the other players were not reserves and some of them played in the scottish and english squads in the world cup of 82.
@ls121231 Dont know if Rush was injured, he was also just new to the team. Liverpool simply didn't HAVE a real centerforward at that point. David Johnson was gone, and the team was trying out Rush & Johnston.
But the point is not if Liverpool thought of it as a friendly. Liverpool simply wasnt very good then, losing even to mediocre teams as Manch.C and CSKA Sofia. Don´t get me wrong, Fla had a wonderful team. But this game just doesnt say very much.
@reltiet Well, I recognize that I can't evaluate properly if Liverpool was good or not then. I don't know the players that you mentioned neither the rest of Liverpool players. That's why I said that Juventus perhaps would be a better contest, because I know the quality of players they had in the 80s (like Platini, Paolo Rossi, Zoff, etc).
And I agree that only one game is not enough to say everything about a team, as our legendary manager Tele Santana once said.
@ls121231 The point is that people try to make so much of this match. It wasn't a big deal to beat Liverpool at that point - a lot of teams did. But when Flamengo does it, some people blow it all up as if it was the Ultimate Contest between Europe and South-America, proving the greatness and superiority of Brazilian football, or something.
@reltiet Take a look in the article of the English magazine "When saturday comes" called "Tokyo pose". It´s a very interesting writing. You'll have to google it, unfortunately I can't put links here.
@ls121231 That article is typical: drawing all too many big conclusions from this game. And a strange remark that Craig Johnston was Liverpools best player. I'd say he was the weakest.
Btw the remark in that article that Zico only looked good in the World Cup 1982 because of Socrates, Cerezo & Falcao, is so incredibly silly I dont have words for it. What an idiot.
@MrJoaofjv Well, not is but is the same level, also FIFA copied all the idea. Se o Vasco tivesse ganhado contra o Real Madrid ia ser o quê? comédia mesmo
@vitaocrf Uma Copa do Mundo de Seleções sem times Africanos e Asiáticos seria Copa do Mundo ou Copa Intercontinental América-Europa? Logo, não é do mesmo nível. O Mazembe provou que a Copa Intercontinental não é campeonato mundial. Tanto não é, que a FIFA não reconhece a Copa Toyota Intercontinental como Mundial.
@wisefelipe Africanos e Asiáticos eu não sei, não há como saber, mas havia clubes mexicanos com muita qualidade. Logo, não é mundial quer sob o aspecto formal, quer sob o material.
Os times mexicanos ate hoje nao conseguem chegar na final, e ai?
A gente nao pode ignorar todo o passado porque nao eh igual ao presente, na epoca era isso que tinha, assim como na decada de 60 a Taca Brasil e o Robertao era o que tinha como "Brasileirao". Assim como por um clube grande como o Fluzinho tem poucos titulos importantes pois em seus melhores anos soh existia carioca. Isso nao faz do Fluminense pequeno
O mundo evolui, as coisas sao mais organizadas, mas o passado existe
@wisefelipe Se um time africano de qualidade técnica bem inferior a qualquer time mexicano chegou à final, os mexicanos em breve chegarão, disso eu não tenho dúvidas. O Mazembe apenas provou que é possível uma final de Mundial sem contar necessariamente com clubes da Europa e da América do Sul. Apenas coloquei o exemplo do México porque é sabido que são fortes desde tempos imemoriais, basta investigar as excursões do Santos na época do Pelé. Em suma, o mundo não se resume a dois continentes.
E o fato dos mexicanos em 10 anos nao terem chegado nenhuma vez ainda mostra que AINDA, America do Sul e Europa sao os melhores (alias, a Europa sinceramente ja esta MUITO na frente da gente, quando ganhamos foi na retranca desesperada).
Sinceramente, eh perda de tempo ficar aqui discutindo, quem nao admite que Copa Toyota e Copa Rio (ganhas por Flu, Vasco e Palmeiras) foram mundiais, CONFORME PERMITIA A EPOCA, eh porque nao quer ver.
@wisefelipe Não foram 10 anos ainda nesse formato. O Campeonato Mundial da FIFA teve 7 edições. Em 00, o Necaxa (que tinha um grande time liderado pelo Aguinaga empatou com o Manchester e foi eliminado pelo Vasco) quase foi à final. Em 05, o São Paulo venceu no sufoco para chegar à final. O Inter tambem ganhou apertado em 06 para passar da semi. Em 07, Boca e Milan vencem apertado por 1x0 para ir à final. Em 09, o Estudiantes venceu por 2x1 para chegar à final. Em 2010, Mazembe finalista.
E voce nao acha que o Mazembe foi zebra? Eu nao to dizendo que eh impossivel um time que nao participava da Copa Toyota vencer um que tava la, mas mesmo no formato atual nem sempre os melhores sao os que estao la. Ou voce acha que a Inter de Milao que ganhou o mundial era mais forte que o Barcelona?
Cara, sempre vai ter argumento contra, voce pode achar argumento contra qualquer coisa. Cada um vai ter sua opiniao, e no dia que todo mundo concordar acaba o futebol. Entao que continue
@wisefelipe Qto à Inter, o melhor em certa perspectiva é o que vence o adversário. Por isso ocorrem partidas de futebol. Ademais, a racionalidade daquilo que apresentei não foi pensada por mim de maneira inédita. Basta entrar no site da FIFA. Quando se admite que existe a possibilidade de um time mais fraco tecnicamente derrotar um mais forte, que se dê essa chance a ele se a participação dele no campeonato for legítima! Quem imaginaria uma vitória do Sto André na CB de 04? É a mesma lógica.
O Santo Andre foi campeao de um monte "melhor que ele".
Por isso mesmo que to falando, nem sempre o campeao eh o melhor, alias muitas vezes nao eh o melhor, entao eh ridiculo dizer que a Toyota nao era mundial porque "podia ter alguem melhor em outro continente".
Era mundial pelo que representava, simples assim, ou o Brasileirao nao eh Campeonato Brasileiro porque dos 26 estados soh 7 ou 8 tem times la?
@wisefelipe O campeonato brasileiro não é uma boa analogia, porque qualquer time, dos mais variados estados, pode chegar à primeira divisão. Qto à CB, havia um "monte" melhor TECNICAMENTE do que o Sto André. Dentro de campo não mostraram, talvez fossem piores em conjunto, tivessem menos sorte... Enfim, o fato é que se um campeonato se julga Mundial deve pelo menos proporcionar chance de participação a todos os continentes do mundo, tal como ocorre nas seleções. Não era o caso da toyota cup.
cara, voce parece ser inteligente e entender a historia, entao soh posso imaginar que eh por paixao que acha que Toyota Cup e Copa Rio naoe ram mundiais...
Diz entao, quando tivermos contato com um povo alienigina e eles passarem a jogar futebol, o Mundial de hoje deixara de ser Mundial?
Seus argumentos sao quase todos validos, claro, mas como ja disse, na epoca, era o que tinha. Simples assim
@wisefelipe Na hipotética situação de contato com clubes de futebol extraterrestres, não haveria qualquer distorção no que foi exposto, ou seja, o Mundial FIFA continuaria o mesmo. O conceito de mundo, até onde eu sei, só barca o planeta terra. Se o campeonato se chamasse Universal FIFA, aí sim haveriam dificuldades teóricas.Quanto a toyota cup ser na época "o que tinha" é algo muito vago. O Carioca de 1911 era o que existia de mais importante para os clubes cariocas da época e não é mundial.
Mas ninguem achava o que o carioca de 1911 era Mundial.
Pra mim "Mundo" eh tudo, planeta, universo, dimensoes e seja la o que for que existir alem disso. Mas ai a gente discamba pra discussao filosofica hahahhaa. Se fosse pra valer soh o planeta seria FIFA Terra Cup (Terra eh o nome "oficial" do planeta, acho que pela ONU ou alguma organizacao desse tipo)
@vitaocrf Vcs foram humilhados pelo Real, com seu zagueiro caindo de bunda no chao para o Raul. Nunca conquistaram um mundial. O Vasco sempre será menor que o Flamengo.
@jovemflajpa meu colega, não entendi a ofensa direcionada a mim (sou flamenguista), me chamou de vascaíno, me atribuiu uma blasfêmia digitada por outro perdido do freguês bacalhau. Está aprendendo a usar o youtube por agora? Tenha atenção!
@jovemflajpa Na Copa Intercontinental, demos calor no Real dos Galáticos (não ingleses de cintura dura como o Liverpool 81) e tomamos um gol de contra-ataque e mesmo depois tomaram sufoco até o fim. No Mundial, perdemos nos penaltis para o Corinthians após o bandeirinha assaltar o Vasco aos 35 do segundo, basta pesquisar no youtube por "roubo mundial 2000".
@wisefelipe O Liverpool venceu a Champions em 78,79 e não enviou time para a Copa Intercontinental nesses anos. Realmente eles davam muita importância a esse campeonato(ironic mode)...Em 81, o time foi só pra dizer que estava lá. Os caras simplesmente andaram em campo. O Real de 98 era um time de galáticos: IIIgner no auge, Roberto Carlos no auge, Raúl no auge, Seedorf no auge, Redondo,Suker (artilheiro da Copa no banco),Mijatovic, Hierro, Morientes no auge...2000 foi o primeiro mundial.
O real de 98 tava era muito forte, sem duvida, talvez como time tenha funcionado ate melhor do que os "galaticos", mas ainda nao era conhecido assim, nem tinha os jogadores com o nome pra isso.
O auge do Raul foi justamente na epoca dos galaticos e um pouco depois deles, nao em 98. O do Seedorf entao, o auge dele, nao de idade, mas de futebol, foi no Milan de 2005-2007.
O argumento nao era que o Liverpool era um time de ingleses duros? Agora eh que nao davam importancia?
@wisefelipe Aquele time do Liverpool tinha jogadores eficientes, mas longe de serem habilidosos, o que dificultava o enfrentamento de equipes sul-americanas, em que o jogo é mais cadenciado, mais técnico. Hoje isso não ocorre mais, pois os grandes clubes europeus são seleções mundiais, tal como o Real Madrid de 98, citado por voce. Quanto ao auge do Raúl eu penso que ocorreu em 96-98. O auge do Seedorf foi em 98. Em 2006 ele sequer foi à Copa.
Times de estilo "eficiente" sempre tiveram sucesso, e continuam tendo, tanto qt os habilidosos. Veja o Manchester United, mesmo nao tendo nenhum jogador de muita habilidade, chegou a 3 finais de Champions nos ultimos 4 ou 5 anos. Mesmo quando tinha o CR7 ele era a essecao, nao a regra.
E o melhor jogador deles eh o Rooney, que eh o tipico grande jogador Ingles. Agora ve, se no "grande futebol europeu atual" que vc fala o Rooney eh "craque", o Dalglish seria o que?
@MrJoaofjv FIFA actually recognizes every Intercontinental Cup Champion as World Champion. It's ironic the fact that your team lost TWICE both Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup and if Vasco had won against Real Madrid would be recognized as World Champion, but you can only say bullshit about Flamengo's brilliant and highest moment of 116 years of winnings an achivements.
@doutorfred A FIFA reconhece como mundial as competições organizadas por ela nos anos 00, 05, 06,07,08,09,10 e 11. Basta entrar no site da FIFA. Embora a classificação do flamengo para a Copa Intercontinental em 1981 tenha sido oriunda da maior roubalheira da história do futebol brasileiro e internacional, na Copa Wright Libertadores 81, eu parabenizo o CRF pelo título da copa intercontinental, com a ressalva de que esse campeonato não é mundial tanto formal e quanto materialmente falando.
@MrJoaofjv It's hard task to a Vasco supporter recognize this. To FIFA both Corinthians and Boca Juniors are World Champions. Once runner-up, always runner-up.
@doutorfred Entre no site da FIFA e veja, não tenha medo. A Copa Intercontinental não é reconhecida. Apenas o Corinthians foi campeão mundial em 2000. Aliás, foi o primeiro M-U-N-D-I-A-L de clubes.
@MrJoaofjv The fact is: all the rainbow supporters (other teams but Flamengo) insists in that same bullshit, the same words "well, you're not world champion, you're just intercontinental champion", "you're not 1987 champion". I really don't need anyone to tell me such a thing, that is worst when is said by a Vasco supporter. Please tell me, if you won 1998 against Real Madrid you call themselves as world champion, and don't say that bullshit you would be just Intercontinental Champion.
@doutorfred Não é questão de se considerar ou não campeão mundial. É questão de ser. E para ser campeão mundial tem que disputar um campeonato com clubes dos cinco continentes e reconhecido pela FIFA, afinal, o campeonato é M-U-N-D-I-A-L e a FIFA é a entidade máxima do futebol, não a Toyota. A CI não é mundial e nem tem legitimidade para isso. Houve ano em que o campeão europeu sequer foi. Houve ano em que não ocorreu por ausência de data no calendário. Trata-se de um torneio como tantos outros
@MrJoaofjv tenho parentes vascainos com esse mesmo pensamento rsrs , será que o time que o senhor torce tem algum desse (troféu) , ou se ganhasse o mesmo , vc iria rejeitar , como se fosse uma taça rio ou guanabara ? , deixa de ser invejoso e hipócrita
@MrJoaofjv Because you Vasco supporters cannot live without Flamengo, but you know that Flamengo lives without any Rio de Janeiro team. What can I say about a team which 3 of 4 Brazilian Championships were achieved on obscure ways? After all you say that referees always help Flamengo. 1974: the final was supposed to play in BH, not Rio; 1997: Edmundo was sent off on way to being on have a delay of trial and he could play final against Palmeiras; 2000: the-almost tragedy in S. Januario
@doutorfred Mais uma vez voce fala sem conhecimento de causa. Em 74, o regulamento determinou que o jogo no Maracanã e tal medida foi aceita pelo Cruzeiro que em troca pode jogar com Piaza, que estava suspenso. Em 97, Edmundo usou um remédio jurídico para jogar o segundo jogo. Todos os clubes brasileiros faziam isso na época quando tinham jogadores suspensos em partidas importantes. Em 2000, voce foi longe. Na tragédia em SJ não morreu ninguem, ao contrário de 92, no Maracanã
@MrJoaofjv Just for that happened in Sao Januario in 2000 against Sao Caetano Vasco should be banned from all competitions and tournaments. SHOULD BE, but we're talking about Brazil and Eurico Miranda, so they had the chance to play another match. If it was happened on Europe, Vasco would be relegated to 9th or 10th division, they would have their stadium closed, because in Europe no one wants another Hillsborough or Heysel disaster and it was almost happened in Sao Januario.
@doutorfred Em 92, na final contra o botafogo, morreram diversos torcedores do flamengo devido a superlotação do estádio (apareceu até nos "videos incríveis" kkk). Disso voce curiosamente esquece. Ademais, cumpre lembrar que ocorreu outro jogo em 2000 porque assim determinou a justiça ao interpretar o regulamento. Quem é voce para falar de que se fosse na europa ocorreria isso ou aquilo? Se fosse na Europa o Flamengo é que deveria estar na 10ª divisão pois clube sem estádio não pode jogar a 1ª
@MrJoaofjv So dear MrJoaofjv, please keep with your great team, with great achivements and wish that some day you'll have the "world championship", it will be good to brazilian and carioca footbal for sure, but we already have it since 13/12/1981. That's not my fault if Vasco is born the be Flamengo's eternal runner-up. THat's all.
@MrJoaofjv Outro detalhe sobre o desabamento do alambrado do anel do Maracanã no Brasileiro de 92. o mandante era o Botafogo e o Estádio pertence ao governo do estado do Rio de Janeiro que não estava periodicamente fazendo a manutenção do estádio. vale ressaltar que a primeira partida da final foi 3 a 0 e pra finalizar o Maracanã somando as duas finais foram mais de 245 mil espectadores.o Maraca ja não estava mais adequado pra receber mais de 100 mil espectadores
@doutorfred E a Libertadores roubada do Flamengo que possibilitou o urubu jogar essa partida? Pesquise por "roubalheira" no youtube e verás o que estou falando. Um time do RJ. Um time de MG. Um árbitro do RJ que expulsa 5 do time de MG. Abaixo uma breve demonstração da ilegitimidade dos 5 títulos brasileiros do flamengo:
If this game was a friendly to Liverpool it was a simple training match to Flamengo. No excuses Reds, you were crushed down and this is what counts and is what is recorded to the history. Watch the video any time and any hour and what it counts is that Zico destroyed you. 3x0, sorry. The game was boring because Flamengo destroyed Liverpool in the very first half. Don't tell me bullshits like "if Liverpool this....If Liverpool that..." 3x0!!!
@doutorfred Wake up, any team could beat Liverpool at that time, even mediocre teams like Manchester City, Chelsea and CSKA Sofia did it that year. It's not like Flamengo was something special.
I guess I'm disturbing some kind of dream people have of a brilliant Flamengo, superbly crushing an overwhelmed Liverpool. Well, watch the entire first half (its on YouTube somewhere) and find out that it was not quite like that. Sorry.
You should be a little more respectful, most people here know that this Liverpool team was one of the best European sides of all time. It would only benefit you to do some research and discover that this Flamengo side is likely the second or third best team in Brazilian history. It's no shame to lose against it.
@wisefelipe What makes you think that I don't know Flamengo had a great team? I'm just saying that their victory over Liverpool was not really special, unlike many people here seem to believe. Lots of teams - also mediocre teams like CSKA Sofia - beat Liverpool around that time, so it just doesn't mean a lot.
Barcelona lost 2-0 against Hercules CF this season. Does this make them bad?
Everyone loses games sometimes, if that Liverpool side was as bad as you said and still managed to win the Champions League 4 times, that would be a very sad thing for European football.
@wisefelipe I'm not saying Liverpool had a bad team either. They had a good team, but in '81/82 they just started off very bad, losing games even at home to mediocre teams. That doesnt mean they would've beaten Flamengo on a different day (I think Flamengo had a better team anyway). I'm just saying that this game says as much about either Liverpool or Flamengo as Barcelona's loss against Hercules CF says about those teams.
I still don't think it's in any way a similar situation, but reading through your other comment I think I was unfair, you have been reasonable in everything you said, whether I agree with it or not, so I'm sorry if I was a little too rough.
@wisefelipe Oh not at all :-) Btw I was reading your comment on Leandro and Junior, and although I'm not British I know they certainly are well respected in England, because of their play on the 1982 World Cup.
@reltiet I've watched the match and I agree with you that it wasnt really a great game, but denying that Flamengo was superior is just a lie. They played much better than Liverpool, who hasn't a bad team but not in the same league of a team with the likes of Junior, Leandro, Mozer and Zico. I think that Juventus would be a better contest.
@ls121231 Superior? In the first 1/2 hour both teams got just 1 chance, with Fla scoring and Liverpool missing. The decisive 2-0 was a lucky and that was game over. Really nothing special. And ANY team would've been better contest than Liverpool at this time: until Tokyo, they had won only 6 out of 16 games in England, 1 week later they lost 3-1 at home to Manch.C and later CSKA Sofia beat them in the European Cup. Maybe they would've been better contest too?
It WAS a final, it's not about how much importance you teenage fans give to the competition, it's about the mindset for such a game. A play-off game tends to be more tense, with players knowing a goal is decisive for the whole thing. A league game is just worth 3 points and accepting a draw is not optimal, so the better teams are more likely to go forward and will be caught on the break by smaller teams many times, like Liverpool was in the league campaign you guys mentioned.
@masteriw 1) I'm not a 'teenage fan' and 2) I agree with your opinion on playoff games, but Liverpool simply didn't look at this as a playoff game like FA or European Cup. It was an odd game, maybe not a friendly but not very much more. And most important: Liverpool already sucked that whole season, that was not going to change in a 'playoff' game. They also lost in the FA Cup to Chelsea and in the European Cup to CSKA Sofia (!)
@reltiet Liverpool sucking isn't Flamengo's fault, though. If Liverpool "on their prime" were much better than Fla, as many people here seem to believe, they should't have struggled so much even not being on form. I don't know if you watched this game but Flamengo completely dominated the game, on top of winning 3-0. It's a shame they apparently weren't on top form but using stuff like the players' motivation as justification is just lame, you mean the team is going to fly to Japan and not care?
@masteriw Yes I've seen the game and no, Fla wasn't really dominating. Its a quite boring game, both teams got just 1 chance in the first half hour, Fla scoring and Liverpool missing. Then it's a lucky 2-0 and its practically game over. Deserved win, but not sensational.
Anyway: I'm not saying Liverpool on their prime would've beaten Fla. Maybe they would've lost anyway, Fla had a great team. But like Tele Santana (Brazil's coach in '82) once said: 1 game just doesnt say all that much.
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He does receive more praise outside of the UK. It's just that the UK never bothers to watch anything other than the EPL, Champions League and the World Cup. With exceptions, obviously. But in Brazil only Pele and Garrincha are considered better than Zico (and Garrincha x Zico is quite a close call really).
@Royalle157 Brazillian Football must be respect, the players of Liverpool, says " We are the best team of world, who is Flamengo ? " hummilating defeat 3x0 by Flamengo !!!
@261290jr flamengo campeao brasileiro 1980,1982,1983,1987(tambem fomos, aquele campeonato foi ridiculo, flamengo ter que enfrentar o sport seria a mesma coisa que o campeao da serie A disputasse com o da serie B pra ver quem ganhava o titulo) , 1992 e 2009
No disgrace to lose to a great Flamengo team, but this event did not help the English team - we do not play on concrete pitches, in heat like that. It came at the end of the South American season when teams are peaking, but in the very early stages of the English season. Fairer contest would be the old two-leg, home and away format.
@rogerpenna Well, Liverpool certainly wasn't peaking at that time. Until this game, they won only 6 out of 16 games in the English First Division. Any team could beat them at that time - Flamengo was not the brilliant, superior exception that its made of by some people. For example: a week after the Tokyo game, Liverpool lost 3-1 at home to Manchester City.
excuses, excuses. It was not an exhibition match. It was the Intercontinental title. You were not invinted to be there. You had to qualify well in your national league, then play the European Cup (Libertadores, if you were South American) and WIN it!! Then only the winners of the winners would face each other in Japan.
To say this was an "exhibition" is like saying the Champions League final is an exhibition, because its one match only. Just stupid.
@rogerpenna It's not about excuses, it's about the conclusions people draw from it. At the time of this game, it was no big deal to beat Liverpool - many teams in the English First Division had done it and would do it afterwards (like Manchester City, 3-1 at Liverpools home stadium a week after this game). So the Flamengo victory - although deserved - just doesn't say all that much, certainly not as much as people here make it look like.
@masteriw And btw why do you think that if Liverpool is in bad form all year, that would suddenly change in an important game? Even if Liverpool considered the Flamengo game as very important, which they didn't.
These americans think they are good,they haven`t a league and stay speaking about us teams,Flamengo finish with Liverpool and end.Say one good team of USA and I stop say
How many of you have actually SEEN this game?! I just did, it's on YouTube, and there's really no need for all the big words here. It's a boring game for the first half hour, with both teams having only 1 chance, Liverpool missing theirs and Flamengo scoring. Then there's a lucky free kick, 2-0 and that's game over. Nothing spectacular.
A week after this game, Liverpool lost 3-1 at home to Manchester City. It doesn't say all that much.
É impressionante como o Zico criava os espaços pr jogar. Parece moleza vendo ele fazer.
No lance que começa em 0:47 ele dá duas fintas discretíssimas e se livra de três marcadores ficando com uma avenida pela frente. Aposto que se o cara que ficou olhando tivesse ido marcar teria tomado um corte também!
cara os times dos ingleses sao forte pq por causa dos jogadores brasileiros a maioria flamengo e o melhor tim do mundo com a maior torcida do mundo seu babaca
And if played, Flamengo and Liverpool 10 times, Flamengo win the 10! Do not come to this ridiculous talk of the liverpool not have taken the game seriously, motivated or not, could never beat Flamengo!
has only one thing worse than a loser ... A loser who did not accept defeat with dignity! Flamengo had the world's best team, Zico, Junior, Andrade, Adilio, legends of Brazilian and world football, almost all were part of the Brazilian team of the 80s! The Flamengo won the liverpool because it was much better, and 3 x 0, was little, should have been 6 or 7!
@invino334 the great 1982 brazil team that never won the world cup italy won as i remember, zico was a well known world class player no more no less there have been better players down the years like pele,maradonna,best,zidane,messi, ronaldo,ronaldinho,di stefano, stanley mathews ,oh and KING KENNY DALGLISH
@pitttheyounger1 that's right. But you should also remember how wonderful that team was . Zico was probably the best player of that fantastic squad and one of the best players in the world in the 80s with Maradona and Platini (he also played in 78 - Brazil got the third place - and in 86) . Kenny Dalglish was a good striker (the only player of this Liverpool squad that I know) but not in the same level of Zico ,not even close. It's just impossible to compare them. Two different levels.
@pitttheyounger1 You need to do your research mate, Zico was one of the all-time greats. just do a search for him on you-tube and see who he was! IMO only Pele, Maradonna, and Di Stefano, of the players you mentioned, are greater in football history terms. Messi may be the best player now, but you can't compare him to Zico.
Junior and Leandro not being household names in England just shows something is very wrong with England :P
Jk, they were side-backs, so they don't get as much attention, but Junior is the second best left side-back of Brazilian history (Nilton Santos was best, Roberto Carlos was third).
Leandro played on the right, was likely even more talented than C.A. Torres (u know this one right?) but had injurie problems. Still he's considered among everyone's top 3 of the position here.
True, we didn't get much foreign leagues here either at the time.
But we do have a LOT of leagues on TV now (Brazilian, Argentinian, Portuguese, Spanish, English, Italian, German, French and the ocasional Mexico, USA, Netherlands, Scotland etc). Are you saying you can only watch foreign leagues on the internet there?
no sorry i meant if you wanted too but SKY and ESPN here show quiet a few foreign leagues like Russian league German league Italian league dutch league Spanish league just saying we get loads of foreign footy here now not like back then we probably would only have seen some Flamengo players at World Cups not being disrespectful they gave us a right hammering by the looks of it
Oh sure, obviously at that time that was normal, we didn't know much of the European clubs either.
Unfortunately there's ignorance on both sides. Europeans tended to think the SA clubs were inferior without knowing anyhing about them. So they didn't really care about this.
While in here the thought was that Europeans clubs would be second division material in Brazil, so the Club WC was seen as a chance to remind them of that.
Both lines of thought are equally absurd obviously.
But it was unfortunate that even though I know that Liverpool team was very strong from history, not a single one of these players have ever been mentioned by anyone here in Brazil, I'd guess that very few people in the media have ever even heard of them, I guess that in this way, the Europeans give us more credit than we give you guys.
It's simple, I don't know 95% of the "British Greats". I will probably never get to know much of them unless I take a day out or something just to do some research, but what I can do, is respect the opinion of those who watched them play, instead of going around saying: "Bleh, never heard of that Dalglish guy, those Brits must be crazy to say he is good, I bet he wouldn't even play in a Serie A Club in Brazil in the 70s!"
i am the same with south American legends obviously i know a few like pele and zico i learn about quiet a few more because one of the football video games i play some one created a history of football patch and it has the great South American teams of the past on it so i looked them up on the internet
you south americans keep bigging this competition up it's laughable euro cup/champions league always was and always will be the benchmark to decide who the greatest club side in the world are also dalglish/souness/hanson/ray kennedy not world class that's the best joke av heard in years
@pitttheyounger1 mate, dalglish, souness and all these players you mentioned are absolutely unknown outside England (except Dalglish, which is a little bit famous). They can be good for you but they definitely are not world class and they just cant be placed in the same level of Zico, Junior or Leandro. Champions League became the most powerful tournament in the end of the 80s, when the best south american players went to Europe.
@invino334 You´re right, after the ''exodus'' of south american players, we were very much supperior in most games. That´s the difference you can see on old intercontinentals. That Flamengo team could not to be defeated by any european team at time. That´s the difference in this game.
@vitaocrf Keep on with the comments. Liverpool was a balanced team, Flamengo had sensational players, but from my point of view probably the best team in the world during the first 6 years of the 80's was Juventus, although they always failed in the key momments. Zoff, Gentile, Scirea, Cabrini, Brady, Tardelli, Causio, Bettega, Rossi...and later Boniek and superstar Platini. In fact noone else could have so much quality, but they needed help from the referee to win just one european cup.
1981 flamengo 4 x 0 barcelona 2011
luiz1195 1 day ago
tiagomarine se viu o jogo inteiro ja ? pra sua informaçao o flamengo nao deixou o liverpool joga filho ,ate q els tentarao + nao conseguirao
Doniando 2 weeks ago
Eu admito o Zico jogava muito, mas nem 30% do Zidane.
tiagomarine1 3 weeks ago
Até o América-MG faria jogo duro com o flamengo de 81, esse time do Liverpool cagava e andava pro mundial tanto que nunca ganhou, quem pegou o Liverpool interessado em alguma coisa foi o São Paulo só em 2005, e olha os times que chegavam em Copa Europa nessa época, Nottingham Forest, Burges, Borussia Monchegdablach ou sei la como escreve, Steua Bucarest, Aston Villa e Malmo kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
tiagomarine1 3 weeks ago
Goethe, você só pode ser vascaindo!!! porra!!!!!! vitória incontestável, 3 a 0 no primeiro tempo.
O liverpool ganhou a liga dos campeoes para jogar com o flamengo, não foi convidado como foram os cúrinthiânus!!!! era o melhor time da europa!!!!
joabe810 1 month ago
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03goethe 1 month ago
o goleiro assumiu e inclusive foi comprovado que foi procurado por dirigentes flamenguistas dias antes da partida e vendeu o resultado.
03goethe 1 month ago
O Barcelona 2011 não faria menos de 11 gols nesse Liverpool, o futebol nessa época era muito fraco.
tiagomarine1 1 month ago
@tiagomarine1 , você demostra não saber nada de futebol!
anibalfag 1 month ago
@anibalfag concordo ele nao sabe nem quantos titulos tem a seleçao brasileira kkkkkkk
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@tiagomarine1 pega qualquer time do campeonato brasileiro de hoje pra enfrentar esse Flamengo...iria ser vergonhoso pros jogadores atuais...o próprio Pepe Guardiola disse isso.Inspirou o Barcelona no estilo de jogo do Brasil da década de 70 e 80 da Argentina e na seleção da Holanda...o futebol q vc vê do barça é o futebol q eu via todo domingo no paulistão e Campeonato Brasileiro...
Fernando7626 3 weeks ago
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O Flamengo de 1981 é superior á este Barcelona. Vamos lá: Raul ou Váldez? Raul. Leandro ou Daniel Alves? Leandro. Marinho ou Piqué? Piqué. Mozer ou Puyol? Mozer. Júnior ou Abidal? Júnior. Andrade ou Thiago? Andrade. Adílio ou Busquets? Adílio. Zico ou Xavi? Zico. Iniesta ou Tita? Iniesta. Lico ou ou Messi? Lico. Nunes ou Fábregas? Nunes. Placar final: Flamengo 8X3 Barcelona.
exampleexample1 1 month ago
Io sono un tifoso italiano e ricordo perfettamente che in quell'irripetibile 1981 il Flamengo era senza ombra di dubbio la squadra di club più forte del mondo. Zico fu semplicemente fantastico. Secondo il mio giudizio quel Flamengo avrebbe battutto ogni avversario, di ieri di oggi e di domani. Se oggi quel Flamengo affrontasse il Barca, vincerebbe 3-0, nè più nè meno di quanto avvenne allora al Liverpool.
fratturascomposta 1 month ago 2
@fratturascomposta , in realtà il Flamengo 81 è la migliore squadra di tutti i tempi!
anibalfag 1 month ago
fuck you all! flamengo deserved this achievement!!
Ronike3 2 months ago 2
que musica maneira,o flamengo desse ano era muito melhor que o barcelona de hoje 2012 flamengo bi no interclubes pode anotar o que eu disse
flarthur054 2 months ago
pow nessa epoca eu nem era nascido ainda mas desde da barriga da minha mae eu ja era flamenguista.....
leco879 2 months ago
Flamengooooooooooooo!
A MAIOR TORCIDA DO MUNDO É A NOSSA!
rafaelataxy 2 months ago
Bons passes combinados com boas jogadas individuais.
Quem pode derrotar um time que joga assim?
Alguém pode me responder em que ponto da história do esporte ficou perdido o VERDADEIRO futebol??!!?
ddd14r 3 months ago
cara! show esse video!
Parabéns
jesse18rj 4 months ago
whats the name of the song?
AngeloVideosBR 4 months ago
@AngeloVideosBR
Descobri depois de procurar um bom tempo: Acts 29 - Come On
ddd14r 3 months ago
Flamengo: " Respect them forever, its a big club, they have a big history in latin america and they are from Brazil nation of soccer " !!! Great team 1981 !!!
Fernando7626 4 months ago 2
What a lesson of class.
I saw Zico talking about this match in an interview. He says the liverpool players spent the pre-match time mocking on the brazilian side while they were saying a prayer together...i bet the englishmen started to pray at half time after going down 0-3 LOL
2Funky4me 5 months ago
maybe if this game had happened AFTER the 1982 World Cup, Liverpool players would know better about Flamengo.
I mean... I bet the Liverpool players were amazed as all the rest of the world with the 1982 Brazil team... then they remembered several of those players also played for Flamengo, so they thought "gee, we played against some of the best players ever, how could we have ignored them??"
rogerpenna 5 months ago
ZICO o idolo da naçao rubro negra o gigante dos gramados
flarthur054 5 months ago
Mundial: o campeão da Libertadores enfrentava o campeão da Europa, na prática os outros continentes não ganham o mundial, o Fla ganhou do Liverpool o time inglês qure ganhou todos os títulos naquela temporada. (ou algèm acha que Asia, Oceania e Africa) tinham potencial para ganhar o mundial? Néca Fla forever, Este time do Mengão foi considerado pela revista (world soccer) como o melhor time de tds os tempos, melhor que o santos de Pelé!
Edinn38 5 months ago
@Edinn38 O dado da World Soccer é mentiroso. Isso sem falar que essas pesquisas são para vender para o público, geralmente não utilizam critérios técnicos, objetivos. Quanto à possibilidade de derrota há fatores a serem elencados:
1) Se a competição fosse da FIFA, um campeonato mundial efetivamente, o Liverpool jogaria com mais vontade, assim como levou a sério o jogo com o São Paulo em 2005.
2)O Mazembe venceu o Internacional em 2010. Futebol é provado dentro do campo.
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv Se realmente O Liverpool não levou a sério, então porque meu amigo o Liverpool jogou com a equipe completa contra o Flamengo?
Macae200 1 month ago
CR Flamengo campeón mundial de 1981 es el mejor equipo de la historia, y no Barcelona que es el mejor equipo de hoy. Este video demuestra que aún en aquella época tenía a mejor técnica, velocidad y físico que la de hoy.
aguinaldolima 6 months ago
O que ta acontecendo com o youtube, que ta alterando algumas palavras escritas?
brenovisk29 6 months ago
Impressionante o ZICO ,o cara dificilmente errava, dava cada assistência milimétrica e que dinamismo, sem as firulas esses de hoje, de 70 p cá foi o melhor, o mais regular, foi o maior artilheiro meio campista do mundo 826gols, veloz, ambidestro, dibris curtos e desconcertantes, visão de jogo, raça, ótimo cabeceador, o melhor batedor de faltas da história, ótimo cobrador de penaltis, foi o mais completo. O fato de não ter ganho um capa do mundo, um torneio relâmpago ludibriam as pessoas.
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brenovisk29 6 months ago
Btw if you watch the whole game (it's on YouTube somewhere), you'll see that Liverpools main weakness in the game was their striker, Craig Johnston. That's no surpise: he was just 21, in his 1st year in Liverpool, and this game was his 1st start for the team, having scored only 1 goal in the previous months. I don't know why Ian Rush wasn't playing, maybe he was injured.
reltiet 6 months ago
@reltiet I seriously doubt that a club in the beginning of the 80s would travel half of the world to play a match against the likes of Zico, Junior and Leandro and consider that as a friendly. No one plays friendlies in the middle of the season, specially when you have to take a travel like this one when airplanes and communications in general were not so developed as they are today.
ls121231 2 months ago
@ls121231 The fact that Liverpool let striker Craig Johnston make his 1st start (!) for the team in this game is good indication that they didnt take it very seriously. Johnston was just 21, in his 1st year with Liverpool, just a reserve player until this and had only scored 1 goal so far. If you look at the game, he was Liverpools main weakness - they couldnt hold the ball upfront. I don't know why Ian Rush wasn't playing, maybe he was injured.
reltiet 2 months ago
@reltiet If the center-forward of the team was injuried they obviously would put what they have. Its not an indication that they didn't take very seriously. Flamengo played without their finest center-back, Figueiredo, because he was injuried too. As I said, no one make such travel in the beginning of the 80s, in the middle of the season, to play a "friendly".
All the other players were not reserves and some of them played in the scottish and english squads in the world cup of 82.
ls121231 2 months ago
@ls121231 Dont know if Rush was injured, he was also just new to the team. Liverpool simply didn't HAVE a real centerforward at that point. David Johnson was gone, and the team was trying out Rush & Johnston.
But the point is not if Liverpool thought of it as a friendly. Liverpool simply wasnt very good then, losing even to mediocre teams as Manch.C and CSKA Sofia. Don´t get me wrong, Fla had a wonderful team. But this game just doesnt say very much.
reltiet 2 months ago
@reltiet Well, I recognize that I can't evaluate properly if Liverpool was good or not then. I don't know the players that you mentioned neither the rest of Liverpool players. That's why I said that Juventus perhaps would be a better contest, because I know the quality of players they had in the 80s (like Platini, Paolo Rossi, Zoff, etc).
And I agree that only one game is not enough to say everything about a team, as our legendary manager Tele Santana once said.
ls121231 2 months ago
@ls121231 The point is that people try to make so much of this match. It wasn't a big deal to beat Liverpool at that point - a lot of teams did. But when Flamengo does it, some people blow it all up as if it was the Ultimate Contest between Europe and South-America, proving the greatness and superiority of Brazilian football, or something.
reltiet 2 months ago
@reltiet Take a look in the article of the English magazine "When saturday comes" called "Tokyo pose". It´s a very interesting writing. You'll have to google it, unfortunately I can't put links here.
ls121231 2 months ago
@ls121231 That article is typical: drawing all too many big conclusions from this game. And a strange remark that Craig Johnston was Liverpools best player. I'd say he was the weakest.
Btw the remark in that article that Zico only looked good in the World Cup 1982 because of Socrates, Cerezo & Falcao, is so incredibly silly I dont have words for it. What an idiot.
reltiet 2 months ago
naçao rubro negro e nois cumpade
marioptg 6 months ago
intercontinental cup is not world cup fifa
MrJoaofjv 7 months ago
@MrJoaofjv Well, not is but is the same level, also FIFA copied all the idea. Se o Vasco tivesse ganhado contra o Real Madrid ia ser o quê? comédia mesmo
vitaocrf 6 months ago
@vitaocrf Uma Copa do Mundo de Seleções sem times Africanos e Asiáticos seria Copa do Mundo ou Copa Intercontinental América-Europa? Logo, não é do mesmo nível. O Mazembe provou que a Copa Intercontinental não é campeonato mundial. Tanto não é, que a FIFA não reconhece a Copa Toyota Intercontinental como Mundial.
MrJoaofjv 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv
Cara, você acha sinceramente que existiam na década de 80 times africanos e asiáticos no nível desses 2?
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe Africanos e Asiáticos eu não sei, não há como saber, mas havia clubes mexicanos com muita qualidade. Logo, não é mundial quer sob o aspecto formal, quer sob o material.
MrJoaofjv 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv
Os times mexicanos ate hoje nao conseguem chegar na final, e ai?
A gente nao pode ignorar todo o passado porque nao eh igual ao presente, na epoca era isso que tinha, assim como na decada de 60 a Taca Brasil e o Robertao era o que tinha como "Brasileirao". Assim como por um clube grande como o Fluzinho tem poucos titulos importantes pois em seus melhores anos soh existia carioca. Isso nao faz do Fluminense pequeno
O mundo evolui, as coisas sao mais organizadas, mas o passado existe
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe Se um time africano de qualidade técnica bem inferior a qualquer time mexicano chegou à final, os mexicanos em breve chegarão, disso eu não tenho dúvidas. O Mazembe apenas provou que é possível uma final de Mundial sem contar necessariamente com clubes da Europa e da América do Sul. Apenas coloquei o exemplo do México porque é sabido que são fortes desde tempos imemoriais, basta investigar as excursões do Santos na época do Pelé. Em suma, o mundo não se resume a dois continentes.
MrJoaofjv 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv
E o fato dos mexicanos em 10 anos nao terem chegado nenhuma vez ainda mostra que AINDA, America do Sul e Europa sao os melhores (alias, a Europa sinceramente ja esta MUITO na frente da gente, quando ganhamos foi na retranca desesperada).
Sinceramente, eh perda de tempo ficar aqui discutindo, quem nao admite que Copa Toyota e Copa Rio (ganhas por Flu, Vasco e Palmeiras) foram mundiais, CONFORME PERMITIA A EPOCA, eh porque nao quer ver.
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe Não foram 10 anos ainda nesse formato. O Campeonato Mundial da FIFA teve 7 edições. Em 00, o Necaxa (que tinha um grande time liderado pelo Aguinaga empatou com o Manchester e foi eliminado pelo Vasco) quase foi à final. Em 05, o São Paulo venceu no sufoco para chegar à final. O Inter tambem ganhou apertado em 06 para passar da semi. Em 07, Boca e Milan vencem apertado por 1x0 para ir à final. Em 09, o Estudiantes venceu por 2x1 para chegar à final. Em 2010, Mazembe finalista.
MrJoaofjv 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv
E voce nao acha que o Mazembe foi zebra? Eu nao to dizendo que eh impossivel um time que nao participava da Copa Toyota vencer um que tava la, mas mesmo no formato atual nem sempre os melhores sao os que estao la. Ou voce acha que a Inter de Milao que ganhou o mundial era mais forte que o Barcelona?
Cara, sempre vai ter argumento contra, voce pode achar argumento contra qualquer coisa. Cada um vai ter sua opiniao, e no dia que todo mundo concordar acaba o futebol. Entao que continue
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe Qto à Inter, o melhor em certa perspectiva é o que vence o adversário. Por isso ocorrem partidas de futebol. Ademais, a racionalidade daquilo que apresentei não foi pensada por mim de maneira inédita. Basta entrar no site da FIFA. Quando se admite que existe a possibilidade de um time mais fraco tecnicamente derrotar um mais forte, que se dê essa chance a ele se a participação dele no campeonato for legítima! Quem imaginaria uma vitória do Sto André na CB de 04? É a mesma lógica.
MrJoaofjv 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv
O Santo Andre foi campeao de um monte "melhor que ele".
Por isso mesmo que to falando, nem sempre o campeao eh o melhor, alias muitas vezes nao eh o melhor, entao eh ridiculo dizer que a Toyota nao era mundial porque "podia ter alguem melhor em outro continente".
Era mundial pelo que representava, simples assim, ou o Brasileirao nao eh Campeonato Brasileiro porque dos 26 estados soh 7 ou 8 tem times la?
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe O campeonato brasileiro não é uma boa analogia, porque qualquer time, dos mais variados estados, pode chegar à primeira divisão. Qto à CB, havia um "monte" melhor TECNICAMENTE do que o Sto André. Dentro de campo não mostraram, talvez fossem piores em conjunto, tivessem menos sorte... Enfim, o fato é que se um campeonato se julga Mundial deve pelo menos proporcionar chance de participação a todos os continentes do mundo, tal como ocorre nas seleções. Não era o caso da toyota cup.
MrJoaofjv 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv
cara, voce parece ser inteligente e entender a historia, entao soh posso imaginar que eh por paixao que acha que Toyota Cup e Copa Rio naoe ram mundiais...
Diz entao, quando tivermos contato com um povo alienigina e eles passarem a jogar futebol, o Mundial de hoje deixara de ser Mundial?
Seus argumentos sao quase todos validos, claro, mas como ja disse, na epoca, era o que tinha. Simples assim
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe Na hipotética situação de contato com clubes de futebol extraterrestres, não haveria qualquer distorção no que foi exposto, ou seja, o Mundial FIFA continuaria o mesmo. O conceito de mundo, até onde eu sei, só barca o planeta terra. Se o campeonato se chamasse Universal FIFA, aí sim haveriam dificuldades teóricas.Quanto a toyota cup ser na época "o que tinha" é algo muito vago. O Carioca de 1911 era o que existia de mais importante para os clubes cariocas da época e não é mundial.
MrJoaofjv 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv
Mas ninguem achava o que o carioca de 1911 era Mundial.
Pra mim "Mundo" eh tudo, planeta, universo, dimensoes e seja la o que for que existir alem disso. Mas ai a gente discamba pra discussao filosofica hahahhaa. Se fosse pra valer soh o planeta seria FIFA Terra Cup (Terra eh o nome "oficial" do planeta, acho que pela ONU ou alguma organizacao desse tipo)
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe Fiasco de resposta
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@vitaocrf Vcs foram humilhados pelo Real, com seu zagueiro caindo de bunda no chao para o Raul. Nunca conquistaram um mundial. O Vasco sempre será menor que o Flamengo.
jovemflajpa 4 months ago
@jovemflajpa meu colega, não entendi a ofensa direcionada a mim (sou flamenguista), me chamou de vascaíno, me atribuiu uma blasfêmia digitada por outro perdido do freguês bacalhau. Está aprendendo a usar o youtube por agora? Tenha atenção!
vitaocrf 4 months ago
@jovemflajpa Na Copa Intercontinental, demos calor no Real dos Galáticos (não ingleses de cintura dura como o Liverpool 81) e tomamos um gol de contra-ataque e mesmo depois tomaram sufoco até o fim. No Mundial, perdemos nos penaltis para o Corinthians após o bandeirinha assaltar o Vasco aos 35 do segundo, basta pesquisar no youtube por "roubo mundial 2000".
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv
2000 nao foi mundial.
E Ingleses de cintura dura??? Os caras ganharam 5 champions em menos de 10 anos.
Muito melhores que o Real PRE-GALATICOS pro qual o VAsco perdeu (apesar do Vasco ter merecido ganhar aquele jogo, eu concordo).
wisefelipe 1 month ago
@wisefelipe O Liverpool venceu a Champions em 78,79 e não enviou time para a Copa Intercontinental nesses anos. Realmente eles davam muita importância a esse campeonato(ironic mode)...Em 81, o time foi só pra dizer que estava lá. Os caras simplesmente andaram em campo. O Real de 98 era um time de galáticos: IIIgner no auge, Roberto Carlos no auge, Raúl no auge, Seedorf no auge, Redondo,Suker (artilheiro da Copa no banco),Mijatovic, Hierro, Morientes no auge...2000 foi o primeiro mundial.
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv
O real de 98 tava era muito forte, sem duvida, talvez como time tenha funcionado ate melhor do que os "galaticos", mas ainda nao era conhecido assim, nem tinha os jogadores com o nome pra isso.
O auge do Raul foi justamente na epoca dos galaticos e um pouco depois deles, nao em 98. O do Seedorf entao, o auge dele, nao de idade, mas de futebol, foi no Milan de 2005-2007.
O argumento nao era que o Liverpool era um time de ingleses duros? Agora eh que nao davam importancia?
wisefelipe 1 month ago
@wisefelipe Aquele time do Liverpool tinha jogadores eficientes, mas longe de serem habilidosos, o que dificultava o enfrentamento de equipes sul-americanas, em que o jogo é mais cadenciado, mais técnico. Hoje isso não ocorre mais, pois os grandes clubes europeus são seleções mundiais, tal como o Real Madrid de 98, citado por voce. Quanto ao auge do Raúl eu penso que ocorreu em 96-98. O auge do Seedorf foi em 98. Em 2006 ele sequer foi à Copa.
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv
Times de estilo "eficiente" sempre tiveram sucesso, e continuam tendo, tanto qt os habilidosos. Veja o Manchester United, mesmo nao tendo nenhum jogador de muita habilidade, chegou a 3 finais de Champions nos ultimos 4 ou 5 anos. Mesmo quando tinha o CR7 ele era a essecao, nao a regra.
E o melhor jogador deles eh o Rooney, que eh o tipico grande jogador Ingles. Agora ve, se no "grande futebol europeu atual" que vc fala o Rooney eh "craque", o Dalglish seria o que?
wisefelipe 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv nothing to do, is the same shit but in different times and if you want to know, skin only home run marked with goalkeepers bad!
bioniclemantax 6 months ago
@MrJoaofjv FIFA actually recognizes every Intercontinental Cup Champion as World Champion. It's ironic the fact that your team lost TWICE both Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup and if Vasco had won against Real Madrid would be recognized as World Champion, but you can only say bullshit about Flamengo's brilliant and highest moment of 116 years of winnings an achivements.
doutorfred 1 month ago
@doutorfred A FIFA reconhece como mundial as competições organizadas por ela nos anos 00, 05, 06,07,08,09,10 e 11. Basta entrar no site da FIFA. Embora a classificação do flamengo para a Copa Intercontinental em 1981 tenha sido oriunda da maior roubalheira da história do futebol brasileiro e internacional, na Copa Wright Libertadores 81, eu parabenizo o CRF pelo título da copa intercontinental, com a ressalva de que esse campeonato não é mundial tanto formal e quanto materialmente falando.
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv It's hard task to a Vasco supporter recognize this. To FIFA both Corinthians and Boca Juniors are World Champions. Once runner-up, always runner-up.
doutorfred 1 month ago
@doutorfred Entre no site da FIFA e veja, não tenha medo. A Copa Intercontinental não é reconhecida. Apenas o Corinthians foi campeão mundial em 2000. Aliás, foi o primeiro M-U-N-D-I-A-L de clubes.
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv The fact is: all the rainbow supporters (other teams but Flamengo) insists in that same bullshit, the same words "well, you're not world champion, you're just intercontinental champion", "you're not 1987 champion". I really don't need anyone to tell me such a thing, that is worst when is said by a Vasco supporter. Please tell me, if you won 1998 against Real Madrid you call themselves as world champion, and don't say that bullshit you would be just Intercontinental Champion.
doutorfred 1 month ago
@doutorfred Não é questão de se considerar ou não campeão mundial. É questão de ser. E para ser campeão mundial tem que disputar um campeonato com clubes dos cinco continentes e reconhecido pela FIFA, afinal, o campeonato é M-U-N-D-I-A-L e a FIFA é a entidade máxima do futebol, não a Toyota. A CI não é mundial e nem tem legitimidade para isso. Houve ano em que o campeão europeu sequer foi. Houve ano em que não ocorreu por ausência de data no calendário. Trata-se de um torneio como tantos outros
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv tenho parentes vascainos com esse mesmo pensamento rsrs , será que o time que o senhor torce tem algum desse (troféu) , ou se ganhasse o mesmo , vc iria rejeitar , como se fosse uma taça rio ou guanabara ? , deixa de ser invejoso e hipócrita
ricardorijkaard 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv Because you Vasco supporters cannot live without Flamengo, but you know that Flamengo lives without any Rio de Janeiro team. What can I say about a team which 3 of 4 Brazilian Championships were achieved on obscure ways? After all you say that referees always help Flamengo. 1974: the final was supposed to play in BH, not Rio; 1997: Edmundo was sent off on way to being on have a delay of trial and he could play final against Palmeiras; 2000: the-almost tragedy in S. Januario
doutorfred 1 month ago
@doutorfred Mais uma vez voce fala sem conhecimento de causa. Em 74, o regulamento determinou que o jogo no Maracanã e tal medida foi aceita pelo Cruzeiro que em troca pode jogar com Piaza, que estava suspenso. Em 97, Edmundo usou um remédio jurídico para jogar o segundo jogo. Todos os clubes brasileiros faziam isso na época quando tinham jogadores suspensos em partidas importantes. Em 2000, voce foi longe. Na tragédia em SJ não morreu ninguem, ao contrário de 92, no Maracanã
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv Just for that happened in Sao Januario in 2000 against Sao Caetano Vasco should be banned from all competitions and tournaments. SHOULD BE, but we're talking about Brazil and Eurico Miranda, so they had the chance to play another match. If it was happened on Europe, Vasco would be relegated to 9th or 10th division, they would have their stadium closed, because in Europe no one wants another Hillsborough or Heysel disaster and it was almost happened in Sao Januario.
doutorfred 1 month ago
@doutorfred Em 92, na final contra o botafogo, morreram diversos torcedores do flamengo devido a superlotação do estádio (apareceu até nos "videos incríveis" kkk). Disso voce curiosamente esquece. Ademais, cumpre lembrar que ocorreu outro jogo em 2000 porque assim determinou a justiça ao interpretar o regulamento. Quem é voce para falar de que se fosse na europa ocorreria isso ou aquilo? Se fosse na Europa o Flamengo é que deveria estar na 10ª divisão pois clube sem estádio não pode jogar a 1ª
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv So dear MrJoaofjv, please keep with your great team, with great achivements and wish that some day you'll have the "world championship", it will be good to brazilian and carioca footbal for sure, but we already have it since 13/12/1981. That's not my fault if Vasco is born the be Flamengo's eternal runner-up. THat's all.
doutorfred 1 month ago
@doutorfred 5 títulos do urubu: Em 80, Reinaldo entra dentro da área livre e marcam impedimento de mais de 2 metros de condição legal.
Em 82, Andrade tira com a mão o gol do título do Grêmio no Olímpico.
Em 83, anulam o gol do Sport por saída de uma bola mais de metro dentro do campo na semi-final.
Em 92, morte de torcedores por culpa do clube (na Europa isso dá rebaixamento)
Em 09, dois adversários entregam os últimos dois jogos para prejudicar os rivais, o que é NO MÍNIMO anti-ético.
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv quer o lenço agora ? rsrs
ricardorijkaard 1 month ago
@MrJoaofjv Outro detalhe sobre o desabamento do alambrado do anel do Maracanã no Brasileiro de 92. o mandante era o Botafogo e o Estádio pertence ao governo do estado do Rio de Janeiro que não estava periodicamente fazendo a manutenção do estádio. vale ressaltar que a primeira partida da final foi 3 a 0 e pra finalizar o Maracanã somando as duas finais foram mais de 245 mil espectadores.o Maraca ja não estava mais adequado pra receber mais de 100 mil espectadores
Macae200 1 month ago
@doutorfred E a Libertadores roubada do Flamengo que possibilitou o urubu jogar essa partida? Pesquise por "roubalheira" no youtube e verás o que estou falando. Um time do RJ. Um time de MG. Um árbitro do RJ que expulsa 5 do time de MG. Abaixo uma breve demonstração da ilegitimidade dos 5 títulos brasileiros do flamengo:
MrJoaofjv 1 month ago
ae qual o nome dá musica?!
weslleyround2 7 months ago
Eu nem discuto com esses Gringos, Flamengo campeão mundial...
Atropelamos o Livercú e a Jovem Fla fez o seu canhão com os 3 tambores .
MrRodrigoTJF 7 months ago
If this game was a friendly to Liverpool it was a simple training match to Flamengo. No excuses Reds, you were crushed down and this is what counts and is what is recorded to the history. Watch the video any time and any hour and what it counts is that Zico destroyed you. 3x0, sorry. The game was boring because Flamengo destroyed Liverpool in the very first half. Don't tell me bullshits like "if Liverpool this....If Liverpool that..." 3x0!!!
doutorfred 7 months ago
@doutorfred Wake up, any team could beat Liverpool at that time, even mediocre teams like Manchester City, Chelsea and CSKA Sofia did it that year. It's not like Flamengo was something special.
I guess I'm disturbing some kind of dream people have of a brilliant Flamengo, superbly crushing an overwhelmed Liverpool. Well, watch the entire first half (its on YouTube somewhere) and find out that it was not quite like that. Sorry.
reltiet 7 months ago
@reltiet
You should be a little more respectful, most people here know that this Liverpool team was one of the best European sides of all time. It would only benefit you to do some research and discover that this Flamengo side is likely the second or third best team in Brazilian history. It's no shame to lose against it.
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe What makes you think that I don't know Flamengo had a great team? I'm just saying that their victory over Liverpool was not really special, unlike many people here seem to believe. Lots of teams - also mediocre teams like CSKA Sofia - beat Liverpool around that time, so it just doesn't mean a lot.
reltiet 6 months ago
@reltiet
Barcelona lost 2-0 against Hercules CF this season. Does this make them bad?
Everyone loses games sometimes, if that Liverpool side was as bad as you said and still managed to win the Champions League 4 times, that would be a very sad thing for European football.
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe I'm not saying Liverpool had a bad team either. They had a good team, but in '81/82 they just started off very bad, losing games even at home to mediocre teams. That doesnt mean they would've beaten Flamengo on a different day (I think Flamengo had a better team anyway). I'm just saying that this game says as much about either Liverpool or Flamengo as Barcelona's loss against Hercules CF says about those teams.
reltiet 6 months ago
@reltiet
I still don't think it's in any way a similar situation, but reading through your other comment I think I was unfair, you have been reasonable in everything you said, whether I agree with it or not, so I'm sorry if I was a little too rough.
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe Oh not at all :-) Btw I was reading your comment on Leandro and Junior, and although I'm not British I know they certainly are well respected in England, because of their play on the 1982 World Cup.
reltiet 6 months ago
@reltiet I've watched the match and I agree with you that it wasnt really a great game, but denying that Flamengo was superior is just a lie. They played much better than Liverpool, who hasn't a bad team but not in the same league of a team with the likes of Junior, Leandro, Mozer and Zico. I think that Juventus would be a better contest.
ls121231 2 months ago
@ls121231 Superior? In the first 1/2 hour both teams got just 1 chance, with Fla scoring and Liverpool missing. The decisive 2-0 was a lucky and that was game over. Really nothing special. And ANY team would've been better contest than Liverpool at this time: until Tokyo, they had won only 6 out of 16 games in England, 1 week later they lost 3-1 at home to Manch.C and later CSKA Sofia beat them in the European Cup. Maybe they would've been better contest too?
reltiet 2 months ago
It WAS a final, it's not about how much importance you teenage fans give to the competition, it's about the mindset for such a game. A play-off game tends to be more tense, with players knowing a goal is decisive for the whole thing. A league game is just worth 3 points and accepting a draw is not optimal, so the better teams are more likely to go forward and will be caught on the break by smaller teams many times, like Liverpool was in the league campaign you guys mentioned.
masteriw 7 months ago
@masteriw 1) I'm not a 'teenage fan' and 2) I agree with your opinion on playoff games, but Liverpool simply didn't look at this as a playoff game like FA or European Cup. It was an odd game, maybe not a friendly but not very much more. And most important: Liverpool already sucked that whole season, that was not going to change in a 'playoff' game. They also lost in the FA Cup to Chelsea and in the European Cup to CSKA Sofia (!)
reltiet 7 months ago
@reltiet Liverpool sucking isn't Flamengo's fault, though. If Liverpool "on their prime" were much better than Fla, as many people here seem to believe, they should't have struggled so much even not being on form. I don't know if you watched this game but Flamengo completely dominated the game, on top of winning 3-0. It's a shame they apparently weren't on top form but using stuff like the players' motivation as justification is just lame, you mean the team is going to fly to Japan and not care?
masteriw 7 months ago
@masteriw Yes I've seen the game and no, Fla wasn't really dominating. Its a quite boring game, both teams got just 1 chance in the first half hour, Fla scoring and Liverpool missing. Then it's a lucky 2-0 and its practically game over. Deserved win, but not sensational.
Anyway: I'm not saying Liverpool on their prime would've beaten Fla. Maybe they would've lost anyway, Fla had a great team. But like Tele Santana (Brazil's coach in '82) once said: 1 game just doesnt say all that much.
reltiet 7 months ago
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Boaultino 7 months ago
zico is hardly mentioned when the greatest players of all time are mentioned but he was up there. the best player in the brilliant 1982 brazil team.
colavfc70 7 months ago
@colavfc70
He does receive more praise outside of the UK. It's just that the UK never bothers to watch anything other than the EPL, Champions League and the World Cup. With exceptions, obviously. But in Brazil only Pele and Garrincha are considered better than Zico (and Garrincha x Zico is quite a close call really).
wisefelipe 6 months ago
3 pessoas são vascaínas !!!
Fernando7626 7 months ago
@Royalle157 Brazillian Football must be respect, the players of Liverpool, says " We are the best team of world, who is Flamengo ? " hummilating defeat 3x0 by Flamengo !!!
Fernando7626 7 months ago
kkkkkkkkkkkkk liverpollllll kkkkkkkkk
1999guto 7 months ago
SPORT CAMPEÃO BRASILEIRO 1987
261290jr 7 months ago
@261290jr flamengo campeao brasileiro 1980,1982,1983,1987(tambem fomos, aquele campeonato foi ridiculo, flamengo ter que enfrentar o sport seria a mesma coisa que o campeao da serie A disputasse com o da serie B pra ver quem ganhava o titulo) , 1992 e 2009
ricksk81993 7 months ago
No disgrace to lose to a great Flamengo team, but this event did not help the English team - we do not play on concrete pitches, in heat like that. It came at the end of the South American season when teams are peaking, but in the very early stages of the English season. Fairer contest would be the old two-leg, home and away format.
Danazawa 7 months ago
@Danazawa
ehhhh??? Are you insane?
teams are at their WORSE at the end of seasons. Thats common knowledge! Teams are peaking in the middle of the season, not at the end.
plus, back in the 80s, brazilian teams would play something like one match every three days. Flamengo players were EXHAUSTED at the end of the season.
rogerpenna 7 months ago
@rogerpenna Well, Liverpool certainly wasn't peaking at that time. Until this game, they won only 6 out of 16 games in the English First Division. Any team could beat them at that time - Flamengo was not the brilliant, superior exception that its made of by some people. For example: a week after the Tokyo game, Liverpool lost 3-1 at home to Manchester City.
reltiet 7 months ago
I dont know if many teams took this exhibition match too seriously to be honest
AnthonydWalsh 7 months ago
@AnthonydWalsh
excuses, excuses. It was not an exhibition match. It was the Intercontinental title. You were not invinted to be there. You had to qualify well in your national league, then play the European Cup (Libertadores, if you were South American) and WIN it!! Then only the winners of the winners would face each other in Japan.
To say this was an "exhibition" is like saying the Champions League final is an exhibition, because its one match only. Just stupid.
rogerpenna 7 months ago
@rogerpenna It's not about excuses, it's about the conclusions people draw from it. At the time of this game, it was no big deal to beat Liverpool - many teams in the English First Division had done it and would do it afterwards (like Manchester City, 3-1 at Liverpools home stadium a week after this game). So the Flamengo victory - although deserved - just doesn't say all that much, certainly not as much as people here make it look like.
reltiet 7 months ago
@reltiet Yeah, because every league game is like a final, right?
masteriw 7 months ago
@masteriw If you think Liverpool considered the Flamengo game as a 'final' or even as more important than a league game, you are wrong.
reltiet 7 months ago
@masteriw And btw why do you think that if Liverpool is in bad form all year, that would suddenly change in an important game? Even if Liverpool considered the Flamengo game as very important, which they didn't.
reltiet 7 months ago
English SHUT UP... friendly match? AHAHAHHA
you guys don't conform to have lost to Flamengo and now are making lies...
diegocmo37 7 months ago
These americans think they are good,they haven`t a league and stay speaking about us teams,Flamengo finish with Liverpool and end.Say one good team of USA and I stop say
LilBovTV 8 months ago
MENGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
MrHugok1 8 months ago
How many of you have actually SEEN this game?! I just did, it's on YouTube, and there's really no need for all the big words here. It's a boring game for the first half hour, with both teams having only 1 chance, Liverpool missing theirs and Flamengo scoring. Then there's a lucky free kick, 2-0 and that's game over. Nothing spectacular.
A week after this game, Liverpool lost 3-1 at home to Manchester City. It doesn't say all that much.
reltiet 8 months ago
Os americanos falando que foi uma amistoso por liverpool descullpa de perdedor
dupaga 8 months ago
3 pessoas tomaram uma piaba do mengão e vieram assistir esse video.
raphaelrmz 8 months ago
Zicooo!
GreayStatia 8 months ago
nossa, que surra
kikesald 8 months ago
Barcelona of today is the Flamengo of yesterday! But today, the Fla squad isn't to good.
ghostreconproducoes 8 months ago
Cara, agora sei de onde o Barcelona copiou a atual forma de se jogar bola.
O mengão de 81 foi o melhor de todos para sempre e sempre!
jjfcosta1 8 months ago
England's soccer has ever been second rank: they only have (more or less) good teams because 90% of players are foreigners.
alex1971sp 9 months ago
Flamengo mito. Te amo Flamengo.
cazerrique 9 months ago
zico o melhor da historia
MsDanielcnc 9 months ago
Zico vs Liverpool
pimentaa15 9 months ago
Vamos Flamengo
niltonwl1 9 months ago
nice video...shitty song
iffritBR 9 months ago
acho q nunca vou ver o flamengo jogar tao bem assim lol
vamo ronaldinho! faz historia denovo!!!
jpcotrim1 10 months ago
I love You Flamengo...
Flamengo is good world
Lorainbzs 10 months ago
É impressionante como o Zico criava os espaços pr jogar. Parece moleza vendo ele fazer.
No lance que começa em 0:47 ele dá duas fintas discretíssimas e se livra de três marcadores ficando com uma avenida pela frente. Aposto que se o cara que ficou olhando tivesse ido marcar teria tomado um corte também!
eshneto 10 months ago
esse jogo nao serviu nem pra aqecer o time do flamengo time do liverpool sem chances pra vcs (bonde do mengão sem freio)
sergio9112 11 months ago
cara os times dos ingleses sao forte pq por causa dos jogadores brasileiros a maioria flamengo e o melhor tim do mundo com a maior torcida do mundo seu babaca
sergio9112 11 months ago
flamengo o melhor time do munto!!
te amo flamengo!!!
thediguinhoable 11 months ago
And if played, Flamengo and Liverpool 10 times, Flamengo win the 10! Do not come to this ridiculous talk of the liverpool not have taken the game seriously, motivated or not, could never beat Flamengo!
anibalfag 1 year ago
has only one thing worse than a loser ... A loser who did not accept defeat with dignity! Flamengo had the world's best team, Zico, Junior, Andrade, Adilio, legends of Brazilian and world football, almost all were part of the Brazilian team of the 80s! The Flamengo won the liverpool because it was much better, and 3 x 0, was little, should have been 6 or 7!
anibalfag 1 year ago
TEM COMO GANHAR DESTE TIME???????????????
ovidio2911 1 year ago
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ovidio2911 1 year ago
Aprende vasco, e assim que se joga uma final de mundial.
nabeshinmarques23 1 year ago
otimoo videoo parabens !
queria saber o nome dessa musica ?
abraços ...
Cibillinho 1 year ago
Como eu queria o Zico hoje no Mengão, mesmo que vellho e sem um braço!!!
santos389 1 year ago
I remember zico the other two are not household names in england mate not by any stretch of the imagination
pitttheyounger1 1 year ago
@pitttheyounger1 they're very well known players by any footie fan in the world (except the younger). They were part of the Brazilian Squad in 1982.
invino334 1 year ago
@invino334 the great 1982 brazil team that never won the world cup italy won as i remember, zico was a well known world class player no more no less there have been better players down the years like pele,maradonna,best,zidane,messi, ronaldo,ronaldinho,di stefano, stanley mathews ,oh and KING KENNY DALGLISH
pitttheyounger1 1 year ago
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invino334 1 year ago
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invino334 1 year ago
@pitttheyounger1 that's right. But you should also remember how wonderful that team was . Zico was probably the best player of that fantastic squad and one of the best players in the world in the 80s with Maradona and Platini (he also played in 78 - Brazil got the third place - and in 86) . Kenny Dalglish was a good striker (the only player of this Liverpool squad that I know) but not in the same level of Zico ,not even close. It's just impossible to compare them. Two different levels.
invino334 1 year ago
@pitttheyounger1 You need to do your research mate, Zico was one of the all-time greats. just do a search for him on you-tube and see who he was! IMO only Pele, Maradonna, and Di Stefano, of the players you mentioned, are greater in football history terms. Messi may be the best player now, but you can't compare him to Zico.
jibsmokestack1 11 months ago
@pitttheyounger1
Junior and Leandro not being household names in England just shows something is very wrong with England :P
Jk, they were side-backs, so they don't get as much attention, but Junior is the second best left side-back of Brazilian history (Nilton Santos was best, Roberto Carlos was third).
Leandro played on the right, was likely even more talented than C.A. Torres (u know this one right?) but had injurie problems. Still he's considered among everyone's top 3 of the position here.
wisefelipe 6 months ago
@wisefelipe
not really in those days i doubt we got any foreign football broadcast over here on uktv not like now you can find most leagues over the internet
col06 5 months ago
@col06
True, we didn't get much foreign leagues here either at the time.
But we do have a LOT of leagues on TV now (Brazilian, Argentinian, Portuguese, Spanish, English, Italian, German, French and the ocasional Mexico, USA, Netherlands, Scotland etc). Are you saying you can only watch foreign leagues on the internet there?
wisefelipe 5 months ago
@wisefelipe
no sorry i meant if you wanted too but SKY and ESPN here show quiet a few foreign leagues like Russian league German league Italian league dutch league Spanish league just saying we get loads of foreign footy here now not like back then we probably would only have seen some Flamengo players at World Cups not being disrespectful they gave us a right hammering by the looks of it
col06 5 months ago
@col06
Oh sure, obviously at that time that was normal, we didn't know much of the European clubs either.
Unfortunately there's ignorance on both sides. Europeans tended to think the SA clubs were inferior without knowing anyhing about them. So they didn't really care about this.
While in here the thought was that Europeans clubs would be second division material in Brazil, so the Club WC was seen as a chance to remind them of that.
Both lines of thought are equally absurd obviously.
wisefelipe 5 months ago
@col06
But it was unfortunate that even though I know that Liverpool team was very strong from history, not a single one of these players have ever been mentioned by anyone here in Brazil, I'd guess that very few people in the media have ever even heard of them, I guess that in this way, the Europeans give us more credit than we give you guys.
wisefelipe 5 months ago
@wisefelipe
Yes but at the time our English league wasn't exposed like it is these days
col06 5 months ago
@col06
Still, it's no excuse for people to be ignorants.
It's simple, I don't know 95% of the "British Greats". I will probably never get to know much of them unless I take a day out or something just to do some research, but what I can do, is respect the opinion of those who watched them play, instead of going around saying: "Bleh, never heard of that Dalglish guy, those Brits must be crazy to say he is good, I bet he wouldn't even play in a Serie A Club in Brazil in the 70s!"
wisefelipe 5 months ago
@wisefelipe
i am the same with south American legends obviously i know a few like pele and zico i learn about quiet a few more because one of the football video games i play some one created a history of football patch and it has the great South American teams of the past on it so i looked them up on the internet
col06 5 months ago
you south americans keep bigging this competition up it's laughable euro cup/champions league always was and always will be the benchmark to decide who the greatest club side in the world are also dalglish/souness/hanson/ray kennedy not world class that's the best joke av heard in years
pitttheyounger1 1 year ago
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invino334 1 year ago
@pitttheyounger1 mate, dalglish, souness and all these players you mentioned are absolutely unknown outside England (except Dalglish, which is a little bit famous). They can be good for you but they definitely are not world class and they just cant be placed in the same level of Zico, Junior or Leandro. Champions League became the most powerful tournament in the end of the 80s, when the best south american players went to Europe.
invino334 1 year ago
@invino334 You´re right, after the ''exodus'' of south american players, we were very much supperior in most games. That´s the difference you can see on old intercontinentals. That Flamengo team could not to be defeated by any european team at time. That´s the difference in this game.
vitaocrf 1 year ago
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invino334 1 year ago
@vitaocrf That's right. That's what I'm saying since the beginning
invino334 1 year ago
@vitaocrf Keep on with the comments. Liverpool was a balanced team, Flamengo had sensational players, but from my point of view probably the best team in the world during the first 6 years of the 80's was Juventus, although they always failed in the key momments. Zoff, Gentile, Scirea, Cabrini, Brady, Tardelli, Causio, Bettega, Rossi...and later Boniek and superstar Platini. In fact noone else could have so much quality, but they needed help from the referee to win just one european cup.
juliojgr19 1 year ago