You're doing OK. It takes some guts to take this crap from people and just keep going. So keep up the good work. People are going to disagree with about 50% of what we say anyway. And my wife really does like your voice and your art. Peace.
@rythmblood27 - it's okay, I got over the random critique years ago. These ebay videos tend to get more criticism because they were unscripted and I don't think particularly fast when trying to structure my thoughts on the fly. However I probably wouldn't have made them if I had scripted them because it wasn't a subject I was particularly excited to make videos about (can't you tell) I wouldn't have put in the work. I was still getting used to speaking to camera at the time too.
Hey dude, yeah you really do look like Sting. but your voice shouldn't be heard while operating vehicles. But you seem informative. My wife thought you were Sting and likes your cat painting. See you on tour!
@rythmblood27 - errr... thanks I think? I have gotten better at talking to camera since I made this 4 years ago. Not a great deal better but at least I don't fall asleep listening to my voice anymore. I'm working on looking more like Sting everyday... if he'd just stop getting older....
@Pawnbroker00 - For some reason I'm in a permanent state of sounding like I just woke up... I don't use drugs of any kind and never have - I barely even drink alcohol.
Im sorry but i couldnt help but laugh. You seem that making this video is paining you. Try to sound a bit more upbeat and like you know what youre talking about. Good luck and i wish you the best.
Take this mans advice with a grain of salt. I know top artists who sell on ebay. Brick and mortar galleries are dead. Its time for artists to think out of the box.
@MsLincolnsghost - Saying you know top artists that sell on ebay doesn't give your comment any more credibility than the points I raise in this video - which is only my advice after all based on my experience and from talking with many other artists over time. I know top artists that sell on ebay too. I also know top artists that sell in galleries. Galleries aren't dead and selling online isn't 'thinking outside the box' - thousands of artists sell online.
@etourist2 When comparing online sales to brick and mortar gallery sales there is a 50% commission. It is common in NYC for galleries to take 70%. The Raw Artist (google her) routinely sold $25,000 per month on ebay. I have sold more than 1,000 of my original oil paintings and not one sale was as an investment. Gallery sales suck these days, thanks to Obama's Short Change you can believe in. . Carmel, Santa Fe, Las Vegas, the big gallery markets are dead.
@MsLincolnsghost: I disagree that the big gallery markets are dead. They're just slow to evolve. So long as there are investors there will always be a market for investment art. Even the Raw Artist has complimented what she does online with a brick and mortar gallery and name drops other galleries where her work has been exhibited. Artists and galleries still need each other it's just that artists are better equipped to self represent with online sales direct from their studios.
Do you live in the USA? Santa Fe and Carmel are dead. That's the two top gallery markets in the USA. You are talking about Art as investment? Less than one percent of collectors buy art as an investment. I am surprised that you made not one but three videos talking about selling art when it is obvious that you don't know much about the subject.
This was garbage. He pretty much says you shouldn't sell your art online if you're going to be a professional artist. What makes an artist a professional artist? An artist who makes a living off their art is a professional. Art galleries take 50 percent of your money so if you can, sell your art online. This guy, however, just made a video on why you're not supposed to smoke a lot of dope before making a youtube video.
That's not entirely correct. I say you shouldn't sell online - via ebay - if you want to develop an art career via the gallery system. For most artists the gallery system can potentially earn them a greater income long term despite the high commissions. Unless you really know how to manage the investment value of your art, selling your own art online - particularly via ebay - could be a hinderance to your art increasing in value over time.
You agree that your comment is not entirely correct... and that makes it an appropriate response to a video that you believe is not entirely correct? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
More people should do that. Respond to things they believe to be wrong with more information that they agree is wrong.
But what I meant by my previous comment was that neither of us know everything, so some of the information we give out must not be entirely correct.
You could have given people some facts and experiences about selling art online, instead you said a lot of nonsense you know nothing about. You even said yourself in your reply to a youtuber that you have never been represented by a gallery. So what the hell do you know?
No I did not just agree that my video was stupid. All my comments were based on the notion you think my video is stupid. The information in this video does come from my experience with ebay and from talks with many artists who have been represented by galleries. For example, did you know that many emerging artists newly represented by galleries consider selling on ebay but hide their intention from the galleries that represents them? Galleries generally don't like their artists selling on ebay.
Oh my god man, you seriously don't know anything about this subject, so please don't make any more videos. You sign a contract with a gallery and that often means you CANNOT be represented by anyone else but your gallery. It's not they don't like you selling on ebay, they don't like you selling anywhere else because you signed the contract. It's pretty much the same as in music. If you sign with a record label you cannot sell your music by yourself or have another label selling your music.
If that's the case then explain to me how a top Australian artist I know, who is represented in several galleries and our state gallery is openly selling his art online through his own web site, independently of his galleries but with their knowledge? Maybe you should do more research? Not all gallery contracts are equal. Gallery contracts are nothing like Music industry contracts. You can be represented by multiple galleries. In fact many artists are.
That's exactly what I said. Not all contracts are the same. If that Australian artist's contract says he can sell his own art then he can sell it whenever he wants, including on ebay. In business there's no :we don't like you to do this. What the contract says is what is legal and what matters. If you're not doing anything illegal then no one can touch you.
My point being that galleries don't like it not for any legal contract reasons but because on ebay art tends to sell at below market value which undercuts the galleries prices. Making it difficult for them to sell. Who would buy at a gallery price if they can get the same artists work cheaper on ebay?
@etourist2 hi dude was just wondering about the buy it now option is this good or bad? my art is average and i dont mind selling it for a low price, ideally getting more money with experience. i dont want to sell it for 99 cents or somthing! so just asking for some tips on basically attracting bids but not scaring them away or under selling my work. cheers.
@TomSouthLondon: I've always used the Buy It Now option on all my auctions. I usually set the Buy Now price to the price I actually want then set my opening bid price to the lowest price I'll accept. It can be a good tactic if your track record shows that your work consistently sells and is in demand because the buy now option means that anyone can buy the work at any time. Once someone makes a bid the buy now option is no longer available. I don't think there's anything bad about using Buy Now.
@TomSouthLondon: You could also have your buy now price close to your opening bid price which may encourage people to think.. "I could buy this right now for a few extra dollars rather than wait until the auction ends". Could be a good strategy if you don't mind selling at low prices. Again, once someone bids, the buy now price disappears and you could, potentially get more for your art than the buy now price. It all depends on how much demand you've created for your work.
Also, yes gallery contracts are exactly like Music industry contracts or any other contracts. In music industry you can also be represented by multiple companies. You can have a record deal with one but have publishing with another. You can have distribution by a totally different one. But the bottom line is, what the contract says must be executed unless you want legal problems.
Gallery contracts are only like music contracts in the sense that you are bound by the terms of the contract. Art is not sold in the same way as music. You're limited by geography, artistic output, market value, perceived value, artistic reputation etc. Artist's try to be represented by multiple galleries in multiple regions to increase their visability, reputation, distribution and sales consistency. It's rare that a gallery signs an artist exclusively - especially an emerging one.
hey I enjoyed skimming through this video and picking up the facts on my way through. (learning the stigmas attached with ebaying your own art in the industry) - Just some constructive criticism for a youtube producer, christ you are a slow talker. I'm not adhd but it felt like I was grinding my teeth in between your words. -reminds me of my freshman college public speaking class, where my professor always aimed at guessing our spoken words per minute swpm
Glad you found this series useful. I'm aware that this particular series isn't easy to watch (even I find it difficult) but the series was unscripted and is simply me trying to impart information as it comes to mind. Hence my thought process is also slowing things down. Were I to have attempted scripting the series I probably would never have made them. Hopefully I've improved a little with my pacing since I made these (over 2 years ago).
Thanks. Unfortunately I don't since these videos are based on my personal experience and knowledge and I've never sought gallery representation. But there are many free articles on the subject if you're prepared to search. The main thing to remember though, when seeking gallery representation, is to approach galleries that sell art similar in style and/or subject to the art you produce. You're more likely to get those galleries attention.
I show is a few small gallery's and the owners know I list on eBay. I keep my asking prices about the same for each ( eBay and Gallery)...With all of this being said my average sale price for small works about $25...Not much but the 'nickles and dimes' add up and I'm having fun with my art....have also met some very nice patrons and some other cool online artists along the way!
Yours truly, RT VEGAS
p.s. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos!!!
Ebay is worth doing I think. Despite the low pricing it is a great opportunity to introduce people to your art and hopefully direct them towards your larger and more expensive works (which I hope you're doing). Personally I've picked up a few collectors via ebay and have been commissioned to create larger works by ebay buyers. Glad you've found this series useful.
I have been selling on eBay for a couple of years now. It took me about two years to figure out prices to ask so that the art would be sold at a fairly regular pace.
Selling your art at a fast pace forces you to create more work to replenish your stock.
That is one of the draw backs of selling on ebay. It's does require the creation of a lot more art. Particularly if you're selling through an ebay store. Which I don't for that reason. I limit my auctions to between 2-4 a month and usually start with an opening bid of just under $50. It's not always successful but usually I sell enough to make it worth while.
Some good points but do you want to sell art or not. Some peolple are making good livings on Ebay with great lookiing art. Galleries usally screww the artist. by NOT selling the art. Most Galleries are funded by real estate developers.
I have been selling my art on ebay for the last 5-6 years. This series is based on what I've learned. For every artist on ebay making a living with great art there's probably about 10 or more not getting anywhere selling their art. Usually because they don't understand how ebay works and why they can't sell at gallery prices. Your general summation of galleries is way off. Galleries are a business with specific markets and greater overheads. They can't wait around for things to sell either.
When Andy Warhol started off he was selling his works for less than 100 dollars a piece, and he recommended this for emerging artists. In saying that, dont you think ebay is the best place to start.
Mark Kostabi a famous American artist also recommends Ebay as a means of marketing your work , and he also has many tutorials online to help artists to do just that.
It really is a personal choice. There's no harm in starting on ebay and transitioning to galleries as the demand for your work grows. There's even no harm in selling on ebay and following the gallery route so long as you're upfront about it with your gallery and plan a strategy on ebay that compliments the work you have selling in a gallery.
The points I raise in the video come from my personal experience of talking to artists about attitudes to ebay from various sectors of the industry.
I sell a lot of work on ebay for less than one hundred dollars a piece. 5-6 years later I'm still selling at less than one hundred dollars a piece for the most part because I have no strategy beyond ebay.
Ebay is a great starting point but you need to look beyond it if you're ever going to get high prices for your art. It'll be a long time before anyone will look at your work as an investment if you don't.
I doubt you'd ruin your son's career by selling his art on ebay (assuming that was your plan). It really only becomes a major issue if you have or are seeking gallery representation. Then you need to be sure your ebay sales aren't undercutting your gallery sales.
True but it's knowing what the 'right price' is that many artists struggle with. Very important to study your own market and the market you're trying to sell in.
I like the way you talk. I am an aussie as well.You come across like an honest decent person with respect for yourself and others. If you spoke fast I might miss something. I am usually tired from being up late on the internet , so when you speak you allow my mind to comprehend without any brain strain. Your info is interesting and usefuI. I am looking forward to viewing your next video and checking out your Art. Thank you and all the best. Jasmin.
Glad my presentation works for you. I do find my ebay videos a little tedious to watch now nearly two years later. I haven't improved a great deal speaking to camera but I think I could do a little better than this if I were to re-shoot them. That aside I'm glad you found my videos interesting.
If you want to be a professional artist you do need some personality and charisma, clients do want to buy art from interesting characters. I found the video informative but so boring
That is such a false statement. Sure personality and charisma helps but plays only a small part in ones ability to create and sell art professionally. The majority of art buyers never meet the artist or haven't met the artist before their first purchase of that artists work.
I have been a professional art valuer for over 23 years, i know what i am talking about. I have known many brilliant artists who have not succeeded, and i known many average artists who have gone out there and promoted superbly , and have become successful because they are interesting characters and the media have taken all their bullshit and believed it. Do not take this as an insult, but the artists who succeed have because of outstanding PR and not not just because they are talented
Being an art valuer is not the same as being an artist. People who have commissioned work from me have done so because they know I can produce a great artwork not because I can hold an engaging conversation about my life and art. There are many 'media star' artists but there are just as many successful artists who let their art do the PR. Charisma is not a prerequisite to success it's just a useful tool if you have it. Knowing your market and where to find them is the key to success.
Seconded. I know plenty of artists who sell work as their ONLY means of making money (Not as a part time endeavour) and find it very lucrative. They make enough money to live off it and live well - but every single one of them could talk a glass eye to sleep.
Valuations100 - after 23 years of experience, you should know, especially in this day and age; where face to face encounters matter less, that personality does not correlate to success in any way in the art world.
I am actually on my way to meet a client to hand over 6 A4 pencil drawings of her family i priced them at £15 per drawing i feel i undercut myself but she was wanting all 6 for £60!!! and i KNEW at least that was undercutting me so i took £90. Next time ill agree on a price before i begin
You think you were bored... I had to read your comment. Heard it all before, not really interested. I know these videos aren't the easiest to watch but it's the only way I could get the information out there at the time - they wouldn't have been made at all otherwise. Some people have actually found the information in this series very useful.
why would putting art on ebay discredit you? You would have to be a big name artist to have it effect you...this is just snobbery....next vid, try and sound as if you are interested in your subject, you sounded a bit dull...sorry
It can discredit you because it can potentially undercut your galleries ability to market your work and maintain its investment value. People are less likely to buy your higher priced gallery pieces when they can get similar works by you cheaper on ebay (art is always cheaper on ebay - doesn't matter how high a profile you have. People shop there precisely because they're looking for bargains).
I tried to sell on ebay,but everyone got soooo offended because of the gigantic penis I place on my goats...MY GOATS CAN'T HELP THAT.Those ebay philistines have no clue-GOSH!
I get that joke a lot... I can assure you I wasn't stoned (I don't do drugs of any kind - I barely even touch alcohol). Drugs supposedly enhance your personality hence, for me, they make me quieter and more introverted. I don't really need those qualities enhanced. If drugs and alcohol made me happy and more outgoing I'd be doing them daily ;-)
I've been a member of ebay (Australian site) since 2003 but have only been selling my art through the site during the last two years. I met so many artists that thought ebay was easy money and wanted to help by putting a bit of realistic information out there.
Thanks. Personally I do find these a bit slow to watch as well. There's a faint chance I'm going to redo the whole series and add to it now that I'm a little more confident on camera. The idea is still on the drawing board though so don't expect it any time soon.
Thanks for your video. I have sold over 200 paintings on Ebay and though Galleries and shows and I have to disagree with you about galleries frowing upon internet sales. Sure perhaps the odd one but I have had several galleries contact me over the years because they found me on Ebay. The more paintings you have sold, the more credibility you have as an artist! Get your paintings out there and use any method you can to get the dollars rolling in!!!
Everything I've heard from other artists is that galleries generally prefer their artists not to sell on ebay as well. I don't think it is as big an issue if you haven't yet got gallery representation (and I mean representation not just exhibiting in the odd gallery) but once you do you run the risk of undermining the galleries ability to market your work as an investment item.
Once again let not the compliment get lost in the critique. You are doin a lot of artists a big favor by posting this material. My artwork will never hit a gallery (samples in video at the top of my channel) but ebay IS a hard place to get the prices your time is worth. I can get good prices from the general public but ebay is a hard sell. Thanks again.
I do appreciate the compliment. I'm glad these videos are useful. Ebay is a very hard place to get good sale prices. I think it disappoints new sellers. However if you can grit your teeth at the early disappointing prices you'll eventually create a demand and see people competing to buy your stuff.
Thank you for this informative video. I am gonna have to agree that it is rather difficult to watch but the information is worth it. You might want to consider trying your very best to sit still. lol The rocking back and forth is kinda hard on the eyes. I myself can't sit still at all hehehe
Probably moving because I'm standing in the video. It's unscripted too so I'm thinking as I go. I'm working harder on editing and using voice overs as ways of making my videos easier to watch. Thanks for the feedback - all helps :)
sorry, about suggesting you were, there are of course many other reasons why you might be quiet and unsure. I bet I would do that more so if I sent in a video which I haven't yet!!!
It's okay, I get that all the time. Most people think I just woke up (see my video 'Random Ideas and other stuff'). These videos are unscripted so I'm also thinking about what I'm saying much more - which doesn't help me talk quicker.
I'm not on any kind of drug at all (seriously - I rarely even drink alcohol). I'm just not used to voicing my thoughts. Even though I talk at a slow pace... when I'm speaking this actually feels quick to me.
Great information! thanks, you confirmed my feelings about galleries taking you serious if you have sold your work on ebay. The prices I want for my art, never met the prices I saw art on ebay selling for. Thanks for this video!
Hey man,
You're doing OK. It takes some guts to take this crap from people and just keep going. So keep up the good work. People are going to disagree with about 50% of what we say anyway. And my wife really does like your voice and your art. Peace.
rythmblood27 6 months ago
@rythmblood27 - it's okay, I got over the random critique years ago. These ebay videos tend to get more criticism because they were unscripted and I don't think particularly fast when trying to structure my thoughts on the fly. However I probably wouldn't have made them if I had scripted them because it wasn't a subject I was particularly excited to make videos about (can't you tell) I wouldn't have put in the work. I was still getting used to speaking to camera at the time too.
etourist2 6 months ago
Hey dude, yeah you really do look like Sting. but your voice shouldn't be heard while operating vehicles. But you seem informative. My wife thought you were Sting and likes your cat painting. See you on tour!
rythmblood27 6 months ago
@rythmblood27 - errr... thanks I think? I have gotten better at talking to camera since I made this 4 years ago. Not a great deal better but at least I don't fall asleep listening to my voice anymore. I'm working on looking more like Sting everyday... if he'd just stop getting older....
etourist2 6 months ago
its sting!
melpa04 7 months ago
thanks, thoughtful and insightful video
cake89 7 months ago
Were you stoned when you made this? -.-
Syeno 7 months ago
@Syeno - no. You were probably stoned while watching it. ;-)
etourist2 7 months ago
@etourist2 you do look and sound out of it though ;P
Pawnbroker00 7 months ago
@Pawnbroker00 - For some reason I'm in a permanent state of sounding like I just woke up... I don't use drugs of any kind and never have - I barely even drink alcohol.
etourist2 7 months ago
Debbie downer...
bumbelion1977 8 months ago
zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Arrrggghhhh what where who ?. oh yeah you tube ebay vids.
Can you enthuse any more ?
1232ben 10 months ago
Dude, No offense, but you like like Sting and Julian Assange had a baby together...
BunnyManBridge 10 months ago
this dude is high on smack.
HomicideKingComics 11 months ago
Im sorry but i couldnt help but laugh. You seem that making this video is paining you. Try to sound a bit more upbeat and like you know what youre talking about. Good luck and i wish you the best.
pluckanalogy 11 months ago
Take this mans advice with a grain of salt. I know top artists who sell on ebay. Brick and mortar galleries are dead. Its time for artists to think out of the box.
MsLincolnsghost 1 year ago
@MsLincolnsghost - Saying you know top artists that sell on ebay doesn't give your comment any more credibility than the points I raise in this video - which is only my advice after all based on my experience and from talking with many other artists over time. I know top artists that sell on ebay too. I also know top artists that sell in galleries. Galleries aren't dead and selling online isn't 'thinking outside the box' - thousands of artists sell online.
etourist2 1 year ago
@etourist2 When comparing online sales to brick and mortar gallery sales there is a 50% commission. It is common in NYC for galleries to take 70%. The Raw Artist (google her) routinely sold $25,000 per month on ebay. I have sold more than 1,000 of my original oil paintings and not one sale was as an investment. Gallery sales suck these days, thanks to Obama's Short Change you can believe in. . Carmel, Santa Fe, Las Vegas, the big gallery markets are dead.
MsLincolnsghost 1 year ago
@MsLincolnsghost: I disagree that the big gallery markets are dead. They're just slow to evolve. So long as there are investors there will always be a market for investment art. Even the Raw Artist has complimented what she does online with a brick and mortar gallery and name drops other galleries where her work has been exhibited. Artists and galleries still need each other it's just that artists are better equipped to self represent with online sales direct from their studios.
etourist2 1 year ago
Do you live in the USA? Santa Fe and Carmel are dead. That's the two top gallery markets in the USA. You are talking about Art as investment? Less than one percent of collectors buy art as an investment. I am surprised that you made not one but three videos talking about selling art when it is obvious that you don't know much about the subject.
MsLincolnsghost 1 year ago
This was garbage. He pretty much says you shouldn't sell your art online if you're going to be a professional artist. What makes an artist a professional artist? An artist who makes a living off their art is a professional. Art galleries take 50 percent of your money so if you can, sell your art online. This guy, however, just made a video on why you're not supposed to smoke a lot of dope before making a youtube video.
Saint7781 2 years ago
That's not entirely correct. I say you shouldn't sell online - via ebay - if you want to develop an art career via the gallery system. For most artists the gallery system can potentially earn them a greater income long term despite the high commissions. Unless you really know how to manage the investment value of your art, selling your own art online - particularly via ebay - could be a hinderance to your art increasing in value over time.
etourist2 2 years ago
I agree, it's not entirely correct. I just replied to your not entirely correct video with my not entirely correct comment.
Saint7781 2 years ago
You agree that your comment is not entirely correct... and that makes it an appropriate response to a video that you believe is not entirely correct? Do you know how stupid that sounds?
More people should do that. Respond to things they believe to be wrong with more information that they agree is wrong.
Spread the ignorance around - that'll help.
etourist2 2 years ago
You also just admitted your video was stupid.
But what I meant by my previous comment was that neither of us know everything, so some of the information we give out must not be entirely correct.
You could have given people some facts and experiences about selling art online, instead you said a lot of nonsense you know nothing about. You even said yourself in your reply to a youtuber that you have never been represented by a gallery. So what the hell do you know?
Saint7781 2 years ago
No I did not just agree that my video was stupid. All my comments were based on the notion you think my video is stupid. The information in this video does come from my experience with ebay and from talks with many artists who have been represented by galleries. For example, did you know that many emerging artists newly represented by galleries consider selling on ebay but hide their intention from the galleries that represents them? Galleries generally don't like their artists selling on ebay.
etourist2 2 years ago
Oh my god man, you seriously don't know anything about this subject, so please don't make any more videos. You sign a contract with a gallery and that often means you CANNOT be represented by anyone else but your gallery. It's not they don't like you selling on ebay, they don't like you selling anywhere else because you signed the contract. It's pretty much the same as in music. If you sign with a record label you cannot sell your music by yourself or have another label selling your music.
Saint7781 2 years ago
If that's the case then explain to me how a top Australian artist I know, who is represented in several galleries and our state gallery is openly selling his art online through his own web site, independently of his galleries but with their knowledge? Maybe you should do more research? Not all gallery contracts are equal. Gallery contracts are nothing like Music industry contracts. You can be represented by multiple galleries. In fact many artists are.
etourist2 2 years ago
That's exactly what I said. Not all contracts are the same. If that Australian artist's contract says he can sell his own art then he can sell it whenever he wants, including on ebay. In business there's no :we don't like you to do this. What the contract says is what is legal and what matters. If you're not doing anything illegal then no one can touch you.
Saint7781 2 years ago
My point being that galleries don't like it not for any legal contract reasons but because on ebay art tends to sell at below market value which undercuts the galleries prices. Making it difficult for them to sell. Who would buy at a gallery price if they can get the same artists work cheaper on ebay?
etourist2 2 years ago
@etourist2 hi dude was just wondering about the buy it now option is this good or bad? my art is average and i dont mind selling it for a low price, ideally getting more money with experience. i dont want to sell it for 99 cents or somthing! so just asking for some tips on basically attracting bids but not scaring them away or under selling my work. cheers.
p.s that cat painting was quality!
TomSouthLondon 1 year ago
@TomSouthLondon: I've always used the Buy It Now option on all my auctions. I usually set the Buy Now price to the price I actually want then set my opening bid price to the lowest price I'll accept. It can be a good tactic if your track record shows that your work consistently sells and is in demand because the buy now option means that anyone can buy the work at any time. Once someone makes a bid the buy now option is no longer available. I don't think there's anything bad about using Buy Now.
etourist2 1 year ago
@TomSouthLondon: You could also have your buy now price close to your opening bid price which may encourage people to think.. "I could buy this right now for a few extra dollars rather than wait until the auction ends". Could be a good strategy if you don't mind selling at low prices. Again, once someone bids, the buy now price disappears and you could, potentially get more for your art than the buy now price. It all depends on how much demand you've created for your work.
etourist2 1 year ago
Also, yes gallery contracts are exactly like Music industry contracts or any other contracts. In music industry you can also be represented by multiple companies. You can have a record deal with one but have publishing with another. You can have distribution by a totally different one. But the bottom line is, what the contract says must be executed unless you want legal problems.
Saint7781 2 years ago
Gallery contracts are only like music contracts in the sense that you are bound by the terms of the contract. Art is not sold in the same way as music. You're limited by geography, artistic output, market value, perceived value, artistic reputation etc. Artist's try to be represented by multiple galleries in multiple regions to increase their visability, reputation, distribution and sales consistency. It's rare that a gallery signs an artist exclusively - especially an emerging one.
etourist2 2 years ago
zzzzzzzzzzz!
haha....no i found this very informative !
even if it was a lil slow going.
thanx a heap!
Cre8iveSignWorks 2 years ago
Pretty informative, but man, I felt like I needed to drop a few qualudes to keep up with you!
If youtube was a record player I would Cheech and chong you to 78 speed!
Just kidding. Thanks for info ---
cinemanfive 2 years ago
hey I enjoyed skimming through this video and picking up the facts on my way through. (learning the stigmas attached with ebaying your own art in the industry) - Just some constructive criticism for a youtube producer, christ you are a slow talker. I'm not adhd but it felt like I was grinding my teeth in between your words. -reminds me of my freshman college public speaking class, where my professor always aimed at guessing our spoken words per minute swpm
good vid though- I learn
Shad0x 2 years ago
Glad you found this series useful. I'm aware that this particular series isn't easy to watch (even I find it difficult) but the series was unscripted and is simply me trying to impart information as it comes to mind. Hence my thought process is also slowing things down. Were I to have attempted scripting the series I probably would never have made them. Hopefully I've improved a little with my pacing since I made these (over 2 years ago).
etourist2 2 years ago
that was very informative. Do you offer simmilar advice for Artist's seeking Gallery representation .
fasano13 2 years ago
Thanks. Unfortunately I don't since these videos are based on my personal experience and knowledge and I've never sought gallery representation. But there are many free articles on the subject if you're prepared to search. The main thing to remember though, when seeking gallery representation, is to approach galleries that sell art similar in style and/or subject to the art you produce. You're more likely to get those galleries attention.
etourist2 2 years ago
That was opinionative, not informative.
Saint7781 2 years ago
I show is a few small gallery's and the owners know I list on eBay. I keep my asking prices about the same for each ( eBay and Gallery)...With all of this being said my average sale price for small works about $25...Not much but the 'nickles and dimes' add up and I'm having fun with my art....have also met some very nice patrons and some other cool online artists along the way!
Yours truly, RT VEGAS
p.s. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos!!!
rtvegas 2 years ago
Ebay is worth doing I think. Despite the low pricing it is a great opportunity to introduce people to your art and hopefully direct them towards your larger and more expensive works (which I hope you're doing). Personally I've picked up a few collectors via ebay and have been commissioned to create larger works by ebay buyers. Glad you've found this series useful.
etourist2 2 years ago
I have been selling on eBay for a couple of years now. It took me about two years to figure out prices to ask so that the art would be sold at a fairly regular pace.
Selling your art at a fast pace forces you to create more work to replenish your stock.
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rtvegas 2 years ago
That is one of the draw backs of selling on ebay. It's does require the creation of a lot more art. Particularly if you're selling through an ebay store. Which I don't for that reason. I limit my auctions to between 2-4 a month and usually start with an opening bid of just under $50. It's not always successful but usually I sell enough to make it worth while.
etourist2 2 years ago
Some good points but do you want to sell art or not. Some peolple are making good livings on Ebay with great lookiing art. Galleries usally screww the artist. by NOT selling the art. Most Galleries are funded by real estate developers.
bigheadrascal 2 years ago 2
I have been selling my art on ebay for the last 5-6 years. This series is based on what I've learned. For every artist on ebay making a living with great art there's probably about 10 or more not getting anywhere selling their art. Usually because they don't understand how ebay works and why they can't sell at gallery prices. Your general summation of galleries is way off. Galleries are a business with specific markets and greater overheads. They can't wait around for things to sell either.
etourist2 2 years ago
Some good points there :) But..
When Andy Warhol started off he was selling his works for less than 100 dollars a piece, and he recommended this for emerging artists. In saying that, dont you think ebay is the best place to start.
Mark Kostabi a famous American artist also recommends Ebay as a means of marketing your work , and he also has many tutorials online to help artists to do just that.
I'll take their advice.
Eastersuprise1 2 years ago
It really is a personal choice. There's no harm in starting on ebay and transitioning to galleries as the demand for your work grows. There's even no harm in selling on ebay and following the gallery route so long as you're upfront about it with your gallery and plan a strategy on ebay that compliments the work you have selling in a gallery.
The points I raise in the video come from my personal experience of talking to artists about attitudes to ebay from various sectors of the industry.
etourist2 2 years ago
I sell a lot of work on ebay for less than one hundred dollars a piece. 5-6 years later I'm still selling at less than one hundred dollars a piece for the most part because I have no strategy beyond ebay.
Ebay is a great starting point but you need to look beyond it if you're ever going to get high prices for your art. It'll be a long time before anyone will look at your work as an investment if you don't.
etourist2 2 years ago
Thanks for the help. I almost ruined my son's career before he even started. I am not sure which way to go now, but I know which way I won't go.
JasonSAlbert 2 years ago
I doubt you'd ruin your son's career by selling his art on ebay (assuming that was your plan). It really only becomes a major issue if you have or are seeking gallery representation. Then you need to be sure your ebay sales aren't undercutting your gallery sales.
etourist2 2 years ago
Oh shit, it's Sting!
eatcrack 2 years ago 2
Agreed!
one provisio...artists should ask the right price for their work
don't sell yourself short.
glenwoodnl 2 years ago
True but it's knowing what the 'right price' is that many artists struggle with. Very important to study your own market and the market you're trying to sell in.
etourist2 2 years ago
thanks for the incite man, i was going to put some of my stuff up on ebay but uve helped me make a better decision
Volv093t 3 years ago
Glad I could better inform your decision. Thanks for the support on the way I talk too. :-)
etourist2 3 years ago
i like the way you talk, very easy to understand. Fuck the haters
Volv093t 3 years ago
I like the way you talk. I am an aussie as well.You come across like an honest decent person with respect for yourself and others. If you spoke fast I might miss something. I am usually tired from being up late on the internet , so when you speak you allow my mind to comprehend without any brain strain. Your info is interesting and usefuI. I am looking forward to viewing your next video and checking out your Art. Thank you and all the best. Jasmin.
cartoonprofessor 3 years ago
Glad my presentation works for you. I do find my ebay videos a little tedious to watch now nearly two years later. I haven't improved a great deal speaking to camera but I think I could do a little better than this if I were to re-shoot them. That aside I'm glad you found my videos interesting.
etourist2 3 years ago
Why do you talk in that ridiculous, slow, annoying drawl?
UncleRabbit1 3 years ago
I don't know, you'd have to ask my parents. I just use what I was given to speak with. ;-)
Seriously though... not everyone is a great public speaker. I write and create art much better than I can talk.
etourist2 3 years ago
Wow, you are seducing me!
Indygoguy 3 years ago
boring
EdSoLe 3 years ago
If you want to be a professional artist you do need some personality and charisma, clients do want to buy art from interesting characters. I found the video informative but so boring
Valuations100 3 years ago
That is such a false statement. Sure personality and charisma helps but plays only a small part in ones ability to create and sell art professionally. The majority of art buyers never meet the artist or haven't met the artist before their first purchase of that artists work.
etourist2 3 years ago
I have been a professional art valuer for over 23 years, i know what i am talking about. I have known many brilliant artists who have not succeeded, and i known many average artists who have gone out there and promoted superbly , and have become successful because they are interesting characters and the media have taken all their bullshit and believed it. Do not take this as an insult, but the artists who succeed have because of outstanding PR and not not just because they are talented
Valuations100 3 years ago
Being an art valuer is not the same as being an artist. People who have commissioned work from me have done so because they know I can produce a great artwork not because I can hold an engaging conversation about my life and art. There are many 'media star' artists but there are just as many successful artists who let their art do the PR. Charisma is not a prerequisite to success it's just a useful tool if you have it. Knowing your market and where to find them is the key to success.
etourist2 3 years ago
Seconded. I know plenty of artists who sell work as their ONLY means of making money (Not as a part time endeavour) and find it very lucrative. They make enough money to live off it and live well - but every single one of them could talk a glass eye to sleep.
Valuations100 - after 23 years of experience, you should know, especially in this day and age; where face to face encounters matter less, that personality does not correlate to success in any way in the art world.
Deadheaddead 3 years ago
I am actually on my way to meet a client to hand over 6 A4 pencil drawings of her family i priced them at £15 per drawing i feel i undercut myself but she was wanting all 6 for £60!!! and i KNEW at least that was undercutting me so i took £90. Next time ill agree on a price before i begin
neilss1 3 years ago
Good idea. I never start a commission without establishing the price before hand.
etourist2 3 years ago
Great info, clear, concise and straight forward.
peter1114222 3 years ago
thanks! looking forward to listen to more ideas you have to share.....
Marco
amnno2 3 years ago
Thanks for watching :)
etourist2 3 years ago
talk a little faster you monotone fuckstick
svokidsvokid 3 years ago
What and miss this opportunity to brush you off - no way!!
etourist2 3 years ago
..great work. Very honest, very informative..
you have an accurate picture of the business...and i absolutely love your work..
exzellentdriver 3 years ago
Thanks and I'm glad you found this video informative. Thanks for watching :)
etourist2 3 years ago
The last thing I wish here
is to sound rude, but really,
watching ONE of your videos
is like watching a three-hours
boooring movie...
KATAFRAKT 3 years ago
You think you were bored... I had to read your comment. Heard it all before, not really interested. I know these videos aren't the easiest to watch but it's the only way I could get the information out there at the time - they wouldn't have been made at all otherwise. Some people have actually found the information in this series very useful.
etourist2 3 years ago
I was only bored superficially,
still I learnt a lot and wish
to thank you for this.
;)
KATAFRAKT 3 years ago
were you high when you made this video? you seem out of it.
clow2ground 3 years ago
No - I don't use any kind of drugs whatsoever.
etourist2 3 years ago
why would putting art on ebay discredit you? You would have to be a big name artist to have it effect you...this is just snobbery....next vid, try and sound as if you are interested in your subject, you sounded a bit dull...sorry
zebrapanties 3 years ago
It can discredit you because it can potentially undercut your galleries ability to market your work and maintain its investment value. People are less likely to buy your higher priced gallery pieces when they can get similar works by you cheaper on ebay (art is always cheaper on ebay - doesn't matter how high a profile you have. People shop there precisely because they're looking for bargains).
etourist2 3 years ago
thank you for the information! much appreciated, for making this.
kienjinn1117 3 years ago
I tried to sell on ebay,but everyone got soooo offended because of the gigantic penis I place on my goats...MY GOATS CAN'T HELP THAT.Those ebay philistines have no clue-GOSH!
boscothegoathumper 3 years ago
I'll keep that in mind... well endowed goats aren't allowed on ebay. Lucky you mentioned it. I could've wasted a lot of paint ;-)
etourist2 3 years ago
Is he serious???
Who gave him the SHROOMS???
cnote0187 3 years ago
Of course I'm not serious. I just made this so you could insult me. ;-)
etourist2 3 years ago
It's a good thing you did act like that because it made we want to watch the whole video.
BTW, I seen your work. GOOD JOB!
cnote0187 3 years ago
Thanks and thanks for watching too.
etourist2 3 years ago
dude i can tell you an artist you seem really stoned lol
liamfrantic 3 years ago
I get that joke a lot... I can assure you I wasn't stoned (I don't do drugs of any kind - I barely even touch alcohol). Drugs supposedly enhance your personality hence, for me, they make me quieter and more introverted. I don't really need those qualities enhanced. If drugs and alcohol made me happy and more outgoing I'd be doing them daily ;-)
etourist2 3 years ago
fair enough bro lol glad you got the joke though good vid
liamfrantic 3 years ago
How long have you been selling on ebay? And, do you use ebay UK or US? I am glad that you are willing to share your experiences with us.
Sean
The Netherlands
osean2 4 years ago
I've been a member of ebay (Australian site) since 2003 but have only been selling my art through the site during the last two years. I met so many artists that thought ebay was easy money and wanted to help by putting a bit of realistic information out there.
etourist2 4 years ago
Thanks appreciate the tips and advice. I thought that your time spent was worth listening to no rushing needed...we all should just slow down a bit.
osean2 4 years ago
Thanks. Personally I do find these a bit slow to watch as well. There's a faint chance I'm going to redo the whole series and add to it now that I'm a little more confident on camera. The idea is still on the drawing board though so don't expect it any time soon.
etourist2 4 years ago
My god man.... speed up!!! Write your thoughts down and organize them BEFORE you hit the record button...
This was helpful, but jesus, it was slow. I'd say 2:00 of content wrapped up into 7:14 minutes of time...
mr2monster 4 years ago
Been there, done that and it just drives my videos to a halt. You'll just have to learn to slow down if you wish to watch my videos.
etourist2 4 years ago
I shant ever wish to represent someone such as yourself in my gallery.
I find that someone with kindred spirit is far closer to the raison d'etre for art than unkempt expediency in expression.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Thanks for your video. I have sold over 200 paintings on Ebay and though Galleries and shows and I have to disagree with you about galleries frowing upon internet sales. Sure perhaps the odd one but I have had several galleries contact me over the years because they found me on Ebay. The more paintings you have sold, the more credibility you have as an artist! Get your paintings out there and use any method you can to get the dollars rolling in!!!
erbackfineart 4 years ago
Everything I've heard from other artists is that galleries generally prefer their artists not to sell on ebay as well. I don't think it is as big an issue if you haven't yet got gallery representation (and I mean representation not just exhibiting in the odd gallery) but once you do you run the risk of undermining the galleries ability to market your work as an investment item.
etourist2 4 years ago
Really great advice. I have been down the eBay road and I agree with your video. Thanks for clarifying what I have been thinking.
partycat414 4 years ago
Thanks for watching. Glad my video helped in some way :)
etourist2 4 years ago
Very helpful and profound advice. Thanks.
wagtec 4 years ago
Glad you found my rambling useful :)
etourist2 4 years ago
Thanks for watching - glad you're finding this series useful.
etourist2 4 years ago
Thanks for the info.. I'm an artist but have never even wanted to part with my paintings... but I might consider it in the future...
MorningsJoy 4 years ago
Once again let not the compliment get lost in the critique. You are doin a lot of artists a big favor by posting this material. My artwork will never hit a gallery (samples in video at the top of my channel) but ebay IS a hard place to get the prices your time is worth. I can get good prices from the general public but ebay is a hard sell. Thanks again.
thechurchofdave 4 years ago
I do appreciate the compliment. I'm glad these videos are useful. Ebay is a very hard place to get good sale prices. I think it disappoints new sellers. However if you can grit your teeth at the early disappointing prices you'll eventually create a demand and see people competing to buy your stuff.
etourist2 4 years ago
Thank you for this informative video. I am gonna have to agree that it is rather difficult to watch but the information is worth it. You might want to consider trying your very best to sit still. lol The rocking back and forth is kinda hard on the eyes. I myself can't sit still at all hehehe
thechurchofdave 4 years ago
Probably moving because I'm standing in the video. It's unscripted too so I'm thinking as I go. I'm working harder on editing and using voice overs as ways of making my videos easier to watch. Thanks for the feedback - all helps :)
etourist2 4 years ago
sorry, about suggesting you were, there are of course many other reasons why you might be quiet and unsure. I bet I would do that more so if I sent in a video which I haven't yet!!!
twangel46 4 years ago
It's okay, I get that all the time. Most people think I just woke up (see my video 'Random Ideas and other stuff'). These videos are unscripted so I'm also thinking about what I'm saying much more - which doesn't help me talk quicker.
etourist2 4 years ago
I think what you are saying is good sense, you seem a really nice soft guy too but- dosed out of your eyeballs!! not that I blame you.
twangel46 4 years ago
I'm not on any kind of drug at all (seriously - I rarely even drink alcohol). I'm just not used to voicing my thoughts. Even though I talk at a slow pace... when I'm speaking this actually feels quick to me.
etourist2 4 years ago
Great information! thanks, you confirmed my feelings about galleries taking you serious if you have sold your work on ebay. The prices I want for my art, never met the prices I saw art on ebay selling for. Thanks for this video!
sherriwestfall 4 years ago