OH MY! I have forgotten all about this video; haven't seen it since it first came on Sesame Street back then and I still love love love love this! very cool! Jam on Stevie & band!
This was on near the end of the same episode where he played "Superstition". I consider myself fortunate to have been one of the little ones watching when this first aired...and was also grooving to it just as much as the kid in red!!
@kingmeehanthewicked If you watch Stevie singing Superstition on SS, i think it's the same kid that is ROCKING OUT about 39 sec in. I'd like to see a version of the song with just that kid! Awesome!
@kingmeehanthewicked haha!!! watch the other stevie wonder vid on youtube, superstition should be on the right >> the kid in red at 4:10, dunno whether it's the same kid,haha, this kid's got soul!!!
@wsbtam woah! nice! u must be really old! haha, sorry. i wish i was around your age, cuz i love sesame street so much, i wish i could watch all the episodes!!! i turned 16 in may, btw
Is anyone amazed at the fact that this man is doin sesame street and by now wrote some of history's most amazing albums by this time...and he was def only 22 years old...
i was 2 years old.. i cant remember this but i started watching this shit young ... good times!! definately! SS rocks.. what other kids show gave them some of the best music the country had to offer...
Stevie is truly a genius. He's doing his thing on the vocoder, which was not normal to use in R&B music at that time. Nothing again Roger Troutman, but Stevie is the one that brought the talk box to R&B!!
The kid on the fire escape was on an episode in 1973(at least I think it was around 1973). Stevie Wonder also starred on that episode. Geez he must really like Sesame Street AND Stevie Wonder. He's a cute kid though. Type in
Stevie Wonder- Superstition Live On Sesame Street. Look for the kid in the red shirt, partying like theres no tomorrow.
This song has sung out in my head ever since the first time it aired in the 70's.I remember watching seseme street with my children at the time when Stevie Wonder sang this and superstition. I thuoght i would never hear or see this clip again. Thanks
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this is unbelievably funky material to present to kids across america. i dont think stevie growling undistinguishable phrases about sesame street into a vocoder would fly today, i think it would have to have a message about acheademics rather than just an education in good music.
Wow... I had only a dim memory of this song from when I was a kid, mainly Stevie singing "1-2-3" into the vocoder... but a Google search found it! Cool stuff.
To be honest, can you name one act out now that you can put on sesame street lol? Lets be real, quite a few "successful" acts are not the sharpest knives in the drawer lol. I won't name any name's but a few are r&b acts and quite a few are rap acts. Sign of the times.
Yet even certain differences carry certain similarities. The pipe organ may sound different from hammond b-3 but they both come from the same organ family tree.
true, but u also have to see it like this: we are all human that is the same, but our different dispositions and interests are what distinguishes one human being from another. just the same for the two examples u just mentioned yes they are from the same organ family but they're sound and usage are what distinguishes one organ from another. it is the differences not the similiarities that make things unique.
Well then how would you categorize identical twins who look exactly the same but are into things and have different personalities? That's exactly how I look at the pipe organ/hammond b-3 & talk box/vocoder contrast/comparisons.
nothing changes because they look the same. u will be able to distinguish one twin from another based on their personalities. no two things are EXACTLY alike, in some form or fashion they are different.
i never said that they couldn't be put in a different category, but even though they are reaching for the the same results the sound in fact different enough where u can distinguish the two. u will be able to tell the difference between the talk box and the vocoder or a pipe organ and a hammond b-3. there is always something different about two things albeit how small one thing has a distinctive characteristic that will enable a person to distinguish one from another.
One's a technological advancement from the original model, that's the main difference I see apart from the different names but they all come off as robotic voices and organ sounds to me.
but different robot voices and organ sounds. cuz if they didn't sound different you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two. is it not true that u can distinguish the difference between a vocoder and a talkbox and a pipe organ and hammond b-3
I know it's possible for one instrument to successfully mimic the other to the point where it can fool the listener into thinking it's a certain musical instrument when it's actually another. I know, it's happened to me and if it could can happen to me, who's to say it can't or hasn't fooled anyone else like that.
i already said that, so there is not reason to reiterate it. but, like i said before just as it can or has fooled one person, it may not or has not fooled another. it all depends on the person.
This is the song! I'm going back to school after break is over singing this down the hallway!!! LMAO! Stevie should release a box set with all the songs he ever recorded whether they were released or not.
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Besides the tubing that's in his mouth & the different names associated w/ each of these devices, is there really a difference once you listen to the results!
Obviously because the rhythms in each of the songs are different. However, listen to the very beginning of Zapp and Roger's "More Bounce To The Ounce". It's clearly a replica of the robot sound heard on Stevie's Sesame Street song. One instrument is a more updated version of the other, that's the only difference I see. Otherwise, it's all the same thing with that same robotic sound.
That's right, both Zapp and Stevie use a talkbox. A vocoder is an entirely different machine working on an entirely different principle. A vocoder takes an audio signal (eg. from a mic) and modulates it to another. Done entirely electronically. Think "In The Air Tonight" or "Mr. Roboto". A talkbox performs its feat in the physical world.
Yes, the vocoder is an entirely different instrument but w/ the same purpose as the talk box, which is to replicate the sound of a robot, so other than from a mechanical standpoint, it can't be working on an entirely different principle. The only difference is, one is more updated technologically than the other. Same name, different pronounciation like tomato-tomatoe.
Okay, fair enough, on a general level. Their applications are different though, and would not be interchangeable in most situations. A vocoder is not simply "controlled muffling" like a talkbox. Most folks would agree that they do not sound alike.
If both of these instruments are so different(and they are on a technological level), why is the talk-box often confused w/ the vocoder, considering all of these other other modules that produce robotic voices exist? Like the sonovox,the autotuner, the ring mudulator, etc..Also, when you listen to the robotic chorus heard in Afrika Bambatta's "Planet Rock" chorus(Rock,rock planet rock.....)as synthesized as it is, it's still a robot voice that you're hearing like Stevie's SS song.
To be very very general, yes you can do robot voices with both. Try doing a Roger Troutman with a vocoder. It won't sound right. Much like the snare on an 808 and a snare drum would both be considered "snare sounds" they are quite different.
If you had actually used a vocoder or talkbox for any length of time you would already know how different they are and this conversation would have been over long ago.
There's no need for me to personally try to imitate "The Roger Troutman Sound" on a vocoder when I've already heard it done on Daft Punks' "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger". It CAN be done & WILL sound right if done properly, which Daft Punk clearly demonstrated through their use of it back in 2001.And yes this conversation would have been over a long time ago if I was convinced that a vocoder produced an ENTIRELY different robotic effect from the talk-box, THAT I agree w/ you on.
And to answer your question about why they're confused.... lack of education. People also confuse salamanders and lizards which couldn't be more different from one another.
Whether or not people are educated on the history behind certain instruments, there are still some songs out there that are a little misleading. For instance, the Mbira(thumb piano) & the Vibes sound hauntingly similar to each other,to the point where I actually thought an Earth, Wind,& Fire tune had a vibe sound to it.This was until finding out it was a Mbira. Not to mention, the certain types of keyboards that successfully replicate the sound of certain instruments.
nice little argument you guys had about basically nothing. Anyway, some people have better ears than others and can clearly hear the difference between a talk box and something like a digital vocoder, or a keyboard vs acoustic instrument. many keyboards can accurately duplicate the overtones series of certain instruments, but that is not the ONLY thing that effects timbre.
If the discussion myself and ryanvane had was about nothing, you would've bypassed our comments and wouldn't have felt inspired to add your little 2 cents to the topic. If anything, you just would have just commented on Stevie's performance on SS. And I still feel there are keyboards out there that can successfully replicate the sound of the talk-box note for note so well that it can fool the listener regardless of how good or bad their ears are.
see i don't agree with u on that because u can never make a keyboard sound EXACTLY like a talk-box...it may be dangerously close, but not exactly...and who made u the spokesperson for all people that u can come to the conclusion that a keyboard can replicate a talk box and fool everyone regardless of how good or bad their ears are...now u are doubting human possibility...maybe it would fool u, but what may fool u may not necessarily fool the next person.
Who says you can NEVER? The word "never" should be permanently erased from your vocabulary especially w/ the technology that's available today & will be available tomorrow. And for the record I'm not trying to be a spokesperson for anything, I'm just giving my opinion on the subject matter. If I feel that a keyboard can replicate a talk box, how am I doubting human possibility when I for one feel that it can be done?
the word never is necessary because realistically there are some thing that can simply not be done whether we want to believe it or not...and i did not say that u were doubting human possibility because u believe that it can be done, but u doubted human possibility because u believe that a person will not be able to tell the difference between two things that sound similar...that is where u doubted...u presented ur "opinion" as if it were fact.
How can I feel that a person will not be able to tell the difference between things that sound similar when I partially agreed with you that what may fool me may not fool the next person. That's not entirely doubting human possibility. And if you feel that the word "NEVER" is necessary, then not only are YOU doubting human possibility but you ALSO are presenting your opinion as if it were a fact (If that's what you think I'm doing).
Isn't that what the meaning of "may" is? I'm not saying that it will not fool the next person. It very well may, but u are not the one that determines whether or not it will or will not. and same as with the word "never", same can apply there. some things may never happen, so i can not completely erase that word from my vocabulary because u expect one thing to happen and it doesn't, so then what?
You didn't say "Some things may never happen" in your earlier paragraph when you described your concept of the word "never", you said the word "never" IS necessary and that "Some things simply CANNOT BE DONE", which one is it?. Saying "Some things MAY never happen" & "Simply CANNOT be done" are 2 different opinions.If you feel that I'm not the one to determine things then you DEFINITELY are not one either w/ your contradicting concept of the word "Never".
first of all i'm not coming across as if i am one to determine anything as u are, so let's get that straight right now...secondly u are getting it all wrong, they both mean the same thing...
The way how you're coming across and the way that you FEEL you're coming across are 2 different things at this point. When it comes down to it, it's all an opinion whether you see it or not. Even if you currently feel that the talk box & the keyboard do not sound alike, who's to say that another keyboard won't come along tomorrow to change your opinion. That's why you can never say "NEVER". Secondly, saying "MAY NEVER HAPPEN" & "CANNOT BE DONE" are 2 entirely different statements NOT THE SAME.
point proven that the two statements are different, i can admit that...but to say that never saying never is dumb within itself...for example if u throw an object in the air, it will never stay in the air cuz gravity doesn't permit it to, the same as if u jump in the air u will never stay in the air u will come back down. if u were to jump off of a tall building u will die. if u were to get shot in the head with a shotgun u will die. so explain to me how "NEVER" should never be said?
This still a slim chance of survival if you get shot in the head (although you may never be the same) and there could even be a chance of survival if you were to jump off a building (A very, very slim chance but it could happen), stranger things have happened before. If you were an astronaut in outerspace and threw an object in the air, chances are it won't come back down. That's how I can explain to you that the word "NEVER" shouldn't be said.
that's a bunch of bs and u know it. i didn't say get shot in the head with a small ass gun, but i said specifically a shotgun. of course there is a chance of survival with a smaller less potent gun. now i didn't say some 5 story building, i said more specifically a tall building like the wtc. all of the people who jumped off that building died and all who will try the same will die. and finally, we are not talking about outerspace we are talking about on earth. please do not distort my words.
Now if my memory serves me correct, the World Trade Center Building was a 47-story building as well. If you're unfamiliar this story, then google Alcides Moreno and you'll see what I'm talking about. Now last but certainly not least, if you're holding a feather or a balloon in your hand (especially in windy weather) and were to throw it up in the air, you know damn well there's a good chance it may never come down. And I'm not distorting your words I'm just offering you a different perspective.
i read up on that and the article said that his colleagues saw that he rode the platform that they were working on which created some wind resistance which slowed the fall down, while on the other hand his brother who was knocked off of the platform died because he suffer the fall full force. secondly, you know damn well that no matter how light the object it will come back down, but it will just take a longer time to do so.
I learned to Skat from Stevie and Grover and Richard Pryor taught me my alphabet.
It all went to shit when Elmo came along.
thegirl44 1 day ago
Do people dislike shit just to dislike? whats with the 7 people who dislike this?
loreroad 3 weeks ago
Damn! Hella funky!
chelmrtz 1 month ago in playlist Stevie Wonder and Sesame Street Playlist
haha this is awesome
Zarrinkoub 4 months ago
DL the audio from this song at tubepull doht cohm.
OmegaLara685 5 months ago
was that bob mintzer?!?!
justinlaboy 6 months ago
Kid in the red sweater... no OSHA violation there!
wickhoi 8 months ago 2
When I am having a bad day I think of this song and it brings a huge smile to my face. Oh, such are the memories of childhood.
brbgal 10 months ago
Thats a bad bad man right there autotune and all baby the baddest alive!!!
yanna50h 11 months ago
@yanna50h that's not autotune: it's called a talk box! Way cooler!
hippojuice23 8 months ago 5
@hippojuice23 true
mjjcng8958 8 months ago
@hippojuice23 Thank you for the info. Its cool!!!
yanna50h 3 months ago
Do you think it could be anthony keidis in the red?? It may as well be...
jamie2flagg 1 year ago
Wonderlove really sang great on this 1, right, gang? God bless!
DaveWollenberg 1 year ago
Roger Troutman's vocoder!
kuifmans2001 1 year ago
@kuifmans2001 NAW This was in 72.....
telj1 7 months ago
I remember this when it was on originally!! I was 11!!! Thanks for posting!! Stevie always has been and always will be the BEST!!!!
nidiaaw 1 year ago
wot 5 heinous fools clicked thumbs down???
forloxsake 1 year ago 5
it's called a vocoder l2 steviewonder
greenbean105 1 year ago
@greenbean105 actually it's a talkbox!
drezone 1 year ago 2
this is the best Stevie WOnder song! LOL
LMBMSP 1 year ago
@LMBMSP i've got the MP3 for this, I listen to it all the time lol
tryandlisten 1 year ago
auto-tunes manually 1973 t-pain!!!!!!!!
jaevilla 1 year ago
stevie and his talk box = AMAZING !!
genuineforce 1 year ago 2
OH MY! I have forgotten all about this video; haven't seen it since it first came on Sesame Street back then and I still love love love love this! very cool! Jam on Stevie & band!
Cheesecream500 1 year ago
Thanks for posting! More love!
molinmusic 1 year ago
this maybe the coolest video on the internet!
thegrooveoperator 1 year ago
This was on near the end of the same episode where he played "Superstition". I consider myself fortunate to have been one of the little ones watching when this first aired...and was also grooving to it just as much as the kid in red!!
wsbtam 1 year ago
@wsbtam I remember this too! It set the pace for all other musicians that fame after him, and I do believe he was the first, unless I am mistaken.
paladin313 1 year ago
T pain who???
aurick7737 1 year ago
It's the best video on youtube!
dapanyal 1 year ago
Styles change. Style doesn't. And I am glad.
karolynruffin1 1 year ago 3
mutron tre babay , yah!!!! ( just got mine)
rotolo 1 year ago
This what made Roger do the Talkbox!
whouwit24 1 year ago 2
@whouwit24 Yes sir!!!
zappfan84 1 year ago
This bassline is the shit.
mayniemayne 1 year ago
hey everyone check out my channel im a 12yr old singer and im singing stevie wonder
simonewalker1 1 year ago
METAL!!
MikeL1969 1 year ago
i love this! so classic!
frizzydong 1 year ago 2
daaaang
i didn't know it was stevie wonder singing this song
i thought it was the old theme song for the show
in the 70s
weakvsfire 2 years ago 3
kid in the red at 1:09 = fliest motherfucker ever
kingmeehanthewicked 2 years ago 111
@kingmeehanthewicked If you watch Stevie singing Superstition on SS, i think it's the same kid that is ROCKING OUT about 39 sec in. I'd like to see a version of the song with just that kid! Awesome!
Cameronomatopoeia 1 year ago
@kingmeehanthewicked haha!!! watch the other stevie wonder vid on youtube, superstition should be on the right >> the kid in red at 4:10, dunno whether it's the same kid,haha, this kid's got soul!!!
pengy94 1 year ago
@pengy94: it is, they are both from the same episode of SS...I was watching that day in '72.
wsbtam 1 year ago
@wsbtam woah! nice! u must be really old! haha, sorry. i wish i was around your age, cuz i love sesame street so much, i wish i could watch all the episodes!!! i turned 16 in may, btw
pengy94 1 year ago
@pengy94 i just realized, that kid looks like the young mowgli from the jungle book movie!
pengy94 1 year ago
@kingmeehanthewicked You gotta see how he dances in the superstition video from the same day.
andresgualdron 1 year ago
@kingmeehanthewicked how bout that little girl sitting!
veneziablau 1 year ago 2
@kingmeehanthewicked Got that too!!
boopsiebuju 6 months ago
@kingmeehanthewicked
You gotta see him in the Superstition clip!
mountpanic 4 months ago
@mountpanic (at ~ 4:19 in superstition xD)
inthebasement2112 4 months ago
@kingmeehanthewicked
That's Lenny Kravitz :)
staeone1 3 months ago
@staeone1 is that really Lenny Kravitz??
in all seriousness?!
willbessent 3 months ago
@staeone1 Ray Parker Jr.(Ghostbusters) is in this band, though!
hippojuice23 3 months ago
This is so fucking dope
rockdiga 2 years ago
BEAST!!!
cbmuzik 2 years ago
All we ever got in the UK was Playschool!!! Stevie is the best
wingslyp 2 years ago 4
Very cool I agree shouldve been the theme song :) 123 sesame street
CosmicBeauty21 2 years ago
This should have been the theme song for the show.
simonsebs 2 years ago 7
I know...right...I'll NEVER understand why they didn't use this...esp for the 72-73 season...and 73-74 season.
MsTexas73 2 years ago 2
this was in 1973
Peachis911 2 years ago
Whoe man
OffWhiteCow 2 years ago
Got up and danced, just like when I was 4 years old!
rchszabo52 2 years ago 7
is that a talkbox i see
yup, stevie was like one of the pianoeers of the talkbox
LePaProductions 2 years ago 4
I like his shades!!! Stevie's the best!!!
marveen13 2 years ago 2
Life in the early 70's.Dig the clothes!
vince065us 2 years ago
Is anyone amazed at the fact that this man is doin sesame street and by now wrote some of history's most amazing albums by this time...and he was def only 22 years old...
docesjr 2 years ago 2
I was wondering if that was Nathan Watts...looks like him. He's been playing with Stevie FOREVER.
Dnrothx 2 years ago
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superdrum3 2 years ago
Funky
Ass
Shit
No question. :)
Go Stevie!
theestever 2 years ago 12
i was 2 years old.. i cant remember this but i started watching this shit young ... good times!! definately! SS rocks.. what other kids show gave them some of the best music the country had to offer...
Choinsta 2 years ago
Wow- can't believe how much richer the sound is from a talkbox than from a vocoder. I gotta get me one of those.......
zckls04 2 years ago
Stevie is truly a genius. He's doing his thing on the vocoder, which was not normal to use in R&B music at that time. Nothing again Roger Troutman, but Stevie is the one that brought the talk box to R&B!!
paytonbf1 2 years ago 2
He is also the first RnB artist to ever do Reggae with Master Blaster Jammin....amazing song!
docesjr 2 years ago
that was epic
RESPECT
soccerbeast9626 2 years ago 2
T Pain tryin to get paid/copywrite for somethin that was done b4 he was born.
mpromp22003 2 years ago 4
damn.....
junfan79 2 years ago
wow, his face is so thin! I would give anything to back in time and jam with stevie - man I wish I grew up in the 70's
samuraiKevin2 2 years ago
must be the coolest hippest kids show ever
fuckamericanidiot 2 years ago 2
it USED to be... sigh !
ProfessorIgor 2 years ago 3
The kid on the fire escape was on an episode in 1973(at least I think it was around 1973). Stevie Wonder also starred on that episode. Geez he must really like Sesame Street AND Stevie Wonder. He's a cute kid though. Type in
Stevie Wonder- Superstition Live On Sesame Street. Look for the kid in the red shirt, partying like theres no tomorrow.
ladyshoud 2 years ago 2
@ladyshoud Its all the same episode, if you look closely same people, same clothes, same children, just broken up on ty
sesamestreet2 2 years ago
Cool bass riff!
ButterBass 2 years ago
I believe that's a young Nathan Watts. Stevie's long time bassist. Check out Do I Do to here some really good licks.
yorickman 2 years ago
This is so much fun! :)
Does anybody know the lyrics?
cait72590 2 years ago
It's actually not a vocoder, its a talk box. See the hose in his mouth?
areyes07 2 years ago
This song has sung out in my head ever since the first time it aired in the 70's.I remember watching seseme street with my children at the time when Stevie Wonder sang this and superstition. I thuoght i would never hear or see this clip again. Thanks
gelati6 2 years ago 3
It seems that Stevie Wonder certainly did a great job of singing this song with the cast on Sesame Street, don't you think?
finnishminnow 3 years ago 3
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amantesalsero 3 years ago
whatever!!..
spottedliver 3 years ago
this is unbelievably funky material to present to kids across america. i dont think stevie growling undistinguishable phrases about sesame street into a vocoder would fly today, i think it would have to have a message about acheademics rather than just an education in good music.
unclecharley 3 years ago 7
This was at the tail-end of the show he perfomed Superstiotion; easily the coolest SS episode ever, IMHO.
I loved the kid that was rockin' out too.
wsbtam 3 years ago 2
awsum performer
toecuttergpx 3 years ago
Wow... I had only a dim memory of this song from when I was a kid, mainly Stevie singing "1-2-3" into the vocoder... but a Google search found it! Cool stuff.
warszawianka 3 years ago
Ballin'.
conglieteri 3 years ago
lil one at 1:07 is doin it :)
beautifulprincessM 3 years ago 4
lololololololol that really made my day
misterriddlez 3 years ago
I watch Sesame Street with my son. Umm I dont ever see or hear anything like this.
beautifulprincessM 3 years ago
WElcome to the 21st century. :\
DarthSinistris 3 years ago 22
To be honest, can you name one act out now that you can put on sesame street lol? Lets be real, quite a few "successful" acts are not the sharpest knives in the drawer lol. I won't name any name's but a few are r&b acts and quite a few are rap acts. Sign of the times.
rjam1974 2 years ago
God really blessed Stevie Wonder, to say the least!!
chocolateman85006 3 years ago 5
i love that little kid in the orange shirt his dance moves are awsome
denzel441 3 years ago 2
Even Sesame Street Is Made Bitching Buy Stevie
Zorodorai 3 years ago
Anthony Jackson!
JC10255 3 years ago
Still ABSOAFRIGGIN BEAUTIFUL!!!
I come in here and listen to this because it always makes me feel better!
MsTexas73 3 years ago
Holy shit, me too!!
DarthSinistris 3 years ago 2
Good GOD, this is awesome, wrapped in win, and slathered in FUCK YEAH!!!!!
DarthSinistris 3 years ago 5
Stevie is a god..
032koncept 3 years ago 2
I love this song!
yesmrchalkley 3 years ago 2
Super cool!
themaltesebippy 3 years ago 2
Classic !!!!!!
Trex8008 3 years ago 2
when were talkboxes invented
heymaxsup 3 years ago 2
Learn to Google.
EmilAhlback 3 years ago
Amen!!!!!! Give Stevie Some respect.
dhampex 3 years ago 7
how did this beautiful video of stevie wonder on sesame street turn into some theology philosophy discussion?! can you take it somewhere else?
mellowlemonmoon 3 years ago 10
Superstition was also performed.
Drumguy1988 3 years ago 2
Wow... They just don't make em' like they used to... Anyone seen Blue's Clues lately? Awful...
Sicklilmunky 3 years ago 3
jesus christ it's always a quarrel over something that has NOTHING to do with the damn video!
Brinah 3 years ago
Stop arguing you dicks
XsadeagleX 3 years ago 2
Is mr drums richard kenyon???
He's an argumentative bastard too.
stanny1977 3 years ago
Um, so anyway, I love this video. It takes me back to childhood. Thanks for posting!
tribekat 3 years ago
Stevie keepin it funky
veneziablau 3 years ago
fun is 1? what does that mean?
stevenrf69 3 years ago
This video is awesome beyond words.
And the little dude feeling it at 01:07 is worth a cult following of his own.
MatsNorman 3 years ago
the little dude feeling it at 01:07 grew up to be the one and only Prince!!!
not really. but he does kinda look and move like a 3-yr old Prince. no?
stevie is indeeed the man
wonderturtle1000 3 years ago
Yet even certain differences carry certain similarities. The pipe organ may sound different from hammond b-3 but they both come from the same organ family tree.
wreckords 3 years ago
true, but u also have to see it like this: we are all human that is the same, but our different dispositions and interests are what distinguishes one human being from another. just the same for the two examples u just mentioned yes they are from the same organ family but they're sound and usage are what distinguishes one organ from another. it is the differences not the similiarities that make things unique.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
Well then how would you categorize identical twins who look exactly the same but are into things and have different personalities? That's exactly how I look at the pipe organ/hammond b-3 & talk box/vocoder contrast/comparisons.
wreckords 3 years ago
nothing changes because they look the same. u will be able to distinguish one twin from another based on their personalities. no two things are EXACTLY alike, in some form or fashion they are different.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
Maybe so, but it can very similar to the effect that you begin to put them all in the same category due to the sound that they're both reaching for.
wreckords 3 years ago
i never said that they couldn't be put in a different category, but even though they are reaching for the the same results the sound in fact different enough where u can distinguish the two. u will be able to tell the difference between the talk box and the vocoder or a pipe organ and a hammond b-3. there is always something different about two things albeit how small one thing has a distinctive characteristic that will enable a person to distinguish one from another.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
One's a technological advancement from the original model, that's the main difference I see apart from the different names but they all come off as robotic voices and organ sounds to me.
wreckords 3 years ago
but different robot voices and organ sounds. cuz if they didn't sound different you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two. is it not true that u can distinguish the difference between a vocoder and a talkbox and a pipe organ and hammond b-3
mrdrums138 3 years ago
I know it's possible for one instrument to successfully mimic the other to the point where it can fool the listener into thinking it's a certain musical instrument when it's actually another. I know, it's happened to me and if it could can happen to me, who's to say it can't or hasn't fooled anyone else like that.
wreckords 3 years ago
i already said that, so there is not reason to reiterate it. but, like i said before just as it can or has fooled one person, it may not or has not fooled another. it all depends on the person.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
THAT I agree w/ you on, it does depend on the person who listens to the instrumental feedback.
wreckords 3 years ago
well i'm glad that we can finally agree on something.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
Well, stranger things have been known to happen.
wreckords 3 years ago
awesome talkbox! sounds nothing like a vocoder!
warrenr 3 years ago
Different strokes for different folks. It's all the same to me.
wreckords 3 years ago
no, it's different. btw, do you like diff'rent strokes?
warrenr 3 years ago
That's why I said "It's all the same TO ME". You don't have to agree. BTW I love Diff'rent Strokes because simply because it's for diff'rent folks.
wreckords 3 years ago
Damn what happen to this music?
SmuveEntertainment 4 years ago
This is the song! I'm going back to school after break is over singing this down the hallway!!! LMAO! Stevie should release a box set with all the songs he ever recorded whether they were released or not.
atmybest4 4 years ago
That was some pretty funky music.
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icceboxxe 4 years ago
The guitar player was none other than Ray Parker, Jr.
MrPurrfect68 4 years ago
Now that's how you use a vocoder, not T-Pain shit that's popular these days!
wreckords 4 years ago 2
It's a talk box hence, the tubing in his mouth
drezone 4 years ago
Besides the tubing that's in his mouth & the different names associated w/ each of these devices, is there really a difference once you listen to the results!
wreckords 4 years ago
Yes. Mr. Roboto does not sound like More Bounce To The Ounce.
ryanvane 4 years ago
Obviously because the rhythms in each of the songs are different. However, listen to the very beginning of Zapp and Roger's "More Bounce To The Ounce". It's clearly a replica of the robot sound heard on Stevie's Sesame Street song. One instrument is a more updated version of the other, that's the only difference I see. Otherwise, it's all the same thing with that same robotic sound.
wreckords 4 years ago
That's right, both Zapp and Stevie use a talkbox. A vocoder is an entirely different machine working on an entirely different principle. A vocoder takes an audio signal (eg. from a mic) and modulates it to another. Done entirely electronically. Think "In The Air Tonight" or "Mr. Roboto". A talkbox performs its feat in the physical world.
ryanvane 4 years ago
Yes, the vocoder is an entirely different instrument but w/ the same purpose as the talk box, which is to replicate the sound of a robot, so other than from a mechanical standpoint, it can't be working on an entirely different principle. The only difference is, one is more updated technologically than the other. Same name, different pronounciation like tomato-tomatoe.
wreckords 4 years ago
Okay, fair enough, on a general level. Their applications are different though, and would not be interchangeable in most situations. A vocoder is not simply "controlled muffling" like a talkbox. Most folks would agree that they do not sound alike.
ryanvane 4 years ago
If both of these instruments are so different(and they are on a technological level), why is the talk-box often confused w/ the vocoder, considering all of these other other modules that produce robotic voices exist? Like the sonovox,the autotuner, the ring mudulator, etc..Also, when you listen to the robotic chorus heard in Afrika Bambatta's "Planet Rock" chorus(Rock,rock planet rock.....)as synthesized as it is, it's still a robot voice that you're hearing like Stevie's SS song.
wreckords 4 years ago
To be very very general, yes you can do robot voices with both. Try doing a Roger Troutman with a vocoder. It won't sound right. Much like the snare on an 808 and a snare drum would both be considered "snare sounds" they are quite different.
If you had actually used a vocoder or talkbox for any length of time you would already know how different they are and this conversation would have been over long ago.
ryanvane 4 years ago
There's no need for me to personally try to imitate "The Roger Troutman Sound" on a vocoder when I've already heard it done on Daft Punks' "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger". It CAN be done & WILL sound right if done properly, which Daft Punk clearly demonstrated through their use of it back in 2001.And yes this conversation would have been over a long time ago if I was convinced that a vocoder produced an ENTIRELY different robotic effect from the talk-box, THAT I agree w/ you on.
wreckords 4 years ago
And to answer your question about why they're confused.... lack of education. People also confuse salamanders and lizards which couldn't be more different from one another.
ryanvane 4 years ago
Whether or not people are educated on the history behind certain instruments, there are still some songs out there that are a little misleading. For instance, the Mbira(thumb piano) & the Vibes sound hauntingly similar to each other,to the point where I actually thought an Earth, Wind,& Fire tune had a vibe sound to it.This was until finding out it was a Mbira. Not to mention, the certain types of keyboards that successfully replicate the sound of certain instruments.
wreckords 4 years ago
nice little argument you guys had about basically nothing. Anyway, some people have better ears than others and can clearly hear the difference between a talk box and something like a digital vocoder, or a keyboard vs acoustic instrument. many keyboards can accurately duplicate the overtones series of certain instruments, but that is not the ONLY thing that effects timbre.
bradley1107 4 years ago
If the discussion myself and ryanvane had was about nothing, you would've bypassed our comments and wouldn't have felt inspired to add your little 2 cents to the topic. If anything, you just would have just commented on Stevie's performance on SS. And I still feel there are keyboards out there that can successfully replicate the sound of the talk-box note for note so well that it can fool the listener regardless of how good or bad their ears are.
wreckords 4 years ago
think what you want
bradley1107 4 years ago
That shouldn't be a problem, I will.
wreckords 4 years ago
see i don't agree with u on that because u can never make a keyboard sound EXACTLY like a talk-box...it may be dangerously close, but not exactly...and who made u the spokesperson for all people that u can come to the conclusion that a keyboard can replicate a talk box and fool everyone regardless of how good or bad their ears are...now u are doubting human possibility...maybe it would fool u, but what may fool u may not necessarily fool the next person.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
Who says you can NEVER? The word "never" should be permanently erased from your vocabulary especially w/ the technology that's available today & will be available tomorrow. And for the record I'm not trying to be a spokesperson for anything, I'm just giving my opinion on the subject matter. If I feel that a keyboard can replicate a talk box, how am I doubting human possibility when I for one feel that it can be done?
wreckords 3 years ago
the word never is necessary because realistically there are some thing that can simply not be done whether we want to believe it or not...and i did not say that u were doubting human possibility because u believe that it can be done, but u doubted human possibility because u believe that a person will not be able to tell the difference between two things that sound similar...that is where u doubted...u presented ur "opinion" as if it were fact.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
How can I feel that a person will not be able to tell the difference between things that sound similar when I partially agreed with you that what may fool me may not fool the next person. That's not entirely doubting human possibility. And if you feel that the word "NEVER" is necessary, then not only are YOU doubting human possibility but you ALSO are presenting your opinion as if it were a fact (If that's what you think I'm doing).
wreckords 3 years ago
Also not to mention, you say what may fool me, may not fool the next person. True, but so is the fact that it might.
wreckords 3 years ago
Isn't that what the meaning of "may" is? I'm not saying that it will not fool the next person. It very well may, but u are not the one that determines whether or not it will or will not. and same as with the word "never", same can apply there. some things may never happen, so i can not completely erase that word from my vocabulary because u expect one thing to happen and it doesn't, so then what?
mrdrums138 3 years ago
You didn't say "Some things may never happen" in your earlier paragraph when you described your concept of the word "never", you said the word "never" IS necessary and that "Some things simply CANNOT BE DONE", which one is it?. Saying "Some things MAY never happen" & "Simply CANNOT be done" are 2 different opinions.If you feel that I'm not the one to determine things then you DEFINITELY are not one either w/ your contradicting concept of the word "Never".
wreckords 3 years ago
first of all i'm not coming across as if i am one to determine anything as u are, so let's get that straight right now...secondly u are getting it all wrong, they both mean the same thing...
mrdrums138 3 years ago
The way how you're coming across and the way that you FEEL you're coming across are 2 different things at this point. When it comes down to it, it's all an opinion whether you see it or not. Even if you currently feel that the talk box & the keyboard do not sound alike, who's to say that another keyboard won't come along tomorrow to change your opinion. That's why you can never say "NEVER". Secondly, saying "MAY NEVER HAPPEN" & "CANNOT BE DONE" are 2 entirely different statements NOT THE SAME.
wreckords 3 years ago
point proven that the two statements are different, i can admit that...but to say that never saying never is dumb within itself...for example if u throw an object in the air, it will never stay in the air cuz gravity doesn't permit it to, the same as if u jump in the air u will never stay in the air u will come back down. if u were to jump off of a tall building u will die. if u were to get shot in the head with a shotgun u will die. so explain to me how "NEVER" should never be said?
mrdrums138 3 years ago
This still a slim chance of survival if you get shot in the head (although you may never be the same) and there could even be a chance of survival if you were to jump off a building (A very, very slim chance but it could happen), stranger things have happened before. If you were an astronaut in outerspace and threw an object in the air, chances are it won't come back down. That's how I can explain to you that the word "NEVER" shouldn't be said.
wreckords 3 years ago
that's a bunch of bs and u know it. i didn't say get shot in the head with a small ass gun, but i said specifically a shotgun. of course there is a chance of survival with a smaller less potent gun. now i didn't say some 5 story building, i said more specifically a tall building like the wtc. all of the people who jumped off that building died and all who will try the same will die. and finally, we are not talking about outerspace we are talking about on earth. please do not distort my words.
mrdrums138 3 years ago
Now if my memory serves me correct, the World Trade Center Building was a 47-story building as well. If you're unfamiliar this story, then google Alcides Moreno and you'll see what I'm talking about. Now last but certainly not least, if you're holding a feather or a balloon in your hand (especially in windy weather) and were to throw it up in the air, you know damn well there's a good chance it may never come down. And I'm not distorting your words I'm just offering you a different perspective.
wreckords 3 years ago
i read up on that and the article said that his colleagues saw that he rode the platform that they were working on which created some wind resistance which slowed the fall down, while on the other hand his brother who was knocked off of the platform died because he suffer the fall full force. secondly, you know damn well that no matter how light the object it will come back down, but it will just take a longer time to do so.
mrdrums138 3 years ago