When Islam came, it prevented this bad Habit wich Quraish was doing..
And In Islam, women are respected, In the time of the prophet Muhammad, women were respected, and their husbands wern't do anything before taking their wives opinion, and even their daughters.. Like Khalifa Ali ben Abu Taleb..
@ashthegreat Why change it? When you google Muslim parents kill their daughter you get more than two million hits. Thats right, tow million results on Muslim parents killing their daughter or threatening to do so. Isalm is an ideology that is based on a false, cruel and merciless pseudo honor that will not even stop at slaughtering your own family members. So the title I'm sure is no accident.
Jeus Christ is the Son of God ! Selah ! No lie passed His lips and He committed no sin ! He is worthy to stand before God as a sanctified sacrifice for our sins. !! Selah!
You're a complete idiot that doesn't even understand what God means and/or refers to. You have no idea how life is made to be, how people should be, and how people evolved through time as God wanted. God created evolution, man's thoughts, and your choices. You are just a complete dumb asshole who can't find it in his head to learn something or even try to help others around. What is your mission through life? Islam, God's work, made people advance. It IS pretty impressive!!
Idiot, go learn how to think properly, anaylze critically, evaluate soundly, and then try to make a confrontational comment as dumb and ignorant as it can be coming from a moron like you.
Are you in a cult? Do you get paid by the government of USA/Israel to go around Youtube attempting (consequently failing) to distort the beautiful image of Islam, the religion that has united all races, people, and brought technological innovations in its time? The modern image is tainted
@ashthegreat Islam's image may be beautiful but it's face behind the veil couldn't be any uglier. 16342 deadly attacks with alt least one person dead since 9/11.
That's nearly two thousand violent attacks each and every year, - day in day out.
Your image is a hoax. The evidence shows the ugly truth about Islam.
@ashthegreat Arabs do honor killings on their daughters nowadays... so what's the difference? of course they do this inspite of Islam as in the past... but still killing their daughters all the same. Perhaps the Arabs should stop being disobedient to Allah (i.e. allowing the family of Saud to usurp their goverment)
@hchsbp1 My last comment to you since you can't judge anything.
Get an education ASAP.
I don't mean an islamic education since like islamic science it's an oxymoron you moron. Sorry my last shot to try and wake you up out of your delusion.
Take the time you have to LEARN something of value.
Islam offers no value to you or anyone else.
Islam is the antithesis of knowledge. Ignorance is the essence of islam.
The more you learn and KNOW the less a muslim you will be. Try it you will be amazed.
16- The "LORDS" loins make a grand appearance: Ezekiel 8:2
17- Marry the whore: Hosea 1:2-11
18- Talk about "holy Shh....: Malachi 2:1-4
19- Burn the Whore: Rev. 17:1-6
20- The reason for so many child molesting priests?? 1 Corinthians 7:1-40
The more u reply, the more verses I'll quote from ur "holy book". U see, u brought this upon urself. Had u actually wanted to debate instead of insult, I would've never quoted this FILTH
Oh, trust me, I'm not quoting the bible to prove the Qur'an right. I'm quoting the Bible to expose ur typical christian hypocrisy. U see my friend, u never wanted to debate. u want to continue on with the same circular argument, avoid questions and put urself in a position to ridicule without attempting to understand.
Now, having said that, I will once again, quote to you another 20 verses from ur Holy book.
@sirjambo TWO 1- Brothers are riled when sister is defiled: Genesis 34:1-31 2- Hold my thigh and take a pledge: Genesis 47:29 (Please note that "thigh" here is actually the testicles) 3- Man gets forgiven, but the slave girl gets flogged: Leviticus: 19:1, 20-22 4- Want to be happy? Smash a kids head in: Psalms 137:9 5- Born out of wedlock?? Ur screwed!! Deut. 23:2 6- First miracle performed by jesus? John 2:1-12 7- Hate is the foundation of faith (according to jesus): Luke 14:26 Continued
@sirjambo THREE 8- "Prince of peace"??? Matt. 10:34 9- The racist Jesus: Matt. 15:25-26 10- Ooh, god name calling: Ezekiel 16:35-37 11- Big breasts and a medieval mandingo: Ezekiel 23:1-21 12- Breast addict much?? Song of Solomon 4:5 13- Who wrote this one? R. Kelly or the "horny" ghost? Song of Solomon 7:1-9 14- Breasts like towers? Song of Solomon 8:8-10 15- Did god drink a gatorade when he finished?? Exodus 31:17 16- god moons moses: Exodus 33:23 17- god ENCOURAGING slavery: Levit: 45-46
@hchsbp1 It's in the Old Testament. Yes it was bad in Old Testament times and this is why Jesus came. You Muslims still live like in the old testament. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. The ten commandments were given before all those things happened that you quote. Jesus said love you neighbor as yourself. Islam says about the non muslims "Cut off their heads and fingertips" "Slay them wherever you find them." Quran 2:101-193" Since 600 AD. The killing goes on.
I just love it when Christians like u come along and make silly comments like: " It's in the Old Testament. Yes it was bad in Old Testament times and this is why Jesus came"
Really? So are you saying that Jesus cancelled out The Law? if so, can you please point to me in the Bible where Jesus says that the Law no longer applies??
First of all, u need to check ur facts before posting ignorance. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never "revered" the Old Testament. What the Qur'an refers to is the Book revealed to the Prophet Moses (as).
A Book that is no longer in existence
U wrote: "Jesus did not cancel the Law, but the early Church effectively did in Act 14 with the Council of Jerusalem."
Reply: Basically what ur saying here is that the Church is going against the teachings of Jesus (as). EXACTLY OUR POINT
@hchsbp1@silencerainbows You need to get the holy dust that you wash with out of your ears and eyes. If Mohammad revered Moses than he revered the Old Testament verses advocating stoning. And Yes the book is still in existence. Muslims tell so many lies they can't keep their story straight. Stoning is a penalty in Islam. It's all over the internet, Muslim sites. Harder to lie now with proof, but you'll keep trying.
Must suck to have Non-believers teaching you your religion.
@hchsbp1 Looks like you still have alot of questions. I would too if I was a Muslim. I'd be crying myself to sleep at night wondering if I had been decieved. (You have, by the way.)
Filthy Mohammad respected Moses as a prophet. There's your stoning. Got that? A Muslim scholar wouldn't recognize a corrupt book if it hit him in the face. How the heck could a Muslim scholar pass judgment on a book 1500 years older than Islam?! Islam is for fools.
I love the dancing around and how avoided answering even one question
BTW, I was referring to Christian and Jewish scholars. Did u know that ur own scholars say that ur holy book is nothing more than exaggerated stories, fables and a dash of history? Ever heard of the documentary hypothesis?
And u have the courage to say that I've been deceived?
Where is Paran?
Who is the Holy one who came from Paran? (Habakkuk 3:3)
Here's a hint: It's the place where Ishmael(as) was raised
@hchsbp1 All you have is questions. You're the dancer--the Mohammad Ali--of this conversation. Well, I'm Joe Frazier. You Muslims can sure dance around issues and talk smack. You sure suck at genuine religion.
Christian scholars can disagree in America.. Not like dust-bowl Muslim paradise filthy Western Oil Fields. And they do. It takes no courage to tell you you've been deceived. It would take some on your part to admit it. Paran, whatever the issue, would never lead me to kiss a stone.
Second of all, we do not respect anything that advocates stoning. Reason being that stoning is not a penalty in Islam.
It is clear from your writing that you know that the Church is going against the teachings of Jesus (as). So the reality is YOU KNOW you are following the teachings of pagans and not the teachings of Jesus (as).
We follow Jesus (as) teachings and his way of life. You pay lip service.
@hchsbp1@silencerainbows The Church made converts of the gentiles, and Paul concluded that God did not care that they obey Jewish laws. He learned that through prayer and the Holy Spirit taught him. Same at the Council. Read it. Says, "..seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.." Humans are designed to have a personal relationship with God. This is real religion.
Islam is total filth. Koran is field manual for violent conquest. Orphan mentioned 26 times cause so many men die in battle.
Look at your stupidity: "Paul concluded that God did not care that they obey Jewish laws."
Yet you believe Jesus is God and your "god" clearly CARED about the Law. Do you even read what u are writing?
Matt. 5:18: I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
@hchsbp1@silencerainbows You can disagree with Church doctrine. We don't stone unbelievers here, like the Muslim paradises back East. Maybe a little sincerity will go a long way to getting your questions answered. If you're hung up on how Jesus' opinion of the Law is abrogated by the Church in Council, that's a moderately easy question to answer.
You tell me...
How can you revere a prophet who has people killed just for making fun of him. (All over internet)
@hchsbp1 So? What's your point? You're prophet Mohammad is the role model. You are the dancers that try to make his sick behavior seem normal. Christians don't give rip about this old dudes in the Bible you keep throwing up. Muslims look, in vain, for some moral justification for revering a filthy, kid-touching prophet--Mohammad.
@hchsbp1@silencerainbows You remind me of a Palestinian kid throwing stones at an Israeli tank. Don't worry, I've got a feeling you'll allow your Islam deception to continue to guide you. And before you know it we'll be hunting you with drones. You'll never see it coming.
But you will have died in the way of Allah, on your stupid jihad. Then you get your 70 see-thru ever-virgin whore-like sex machines to screw for all eternity
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows That's it...keep typing. We're getting a strike signal on your location right now. Maybe Osama will give you a "black stone" kiss before the missile strike :)
Hey Christian, sit tight, I got a few things to take care of.
When I come back, I'll have more questions. I think this would be a good time to try ur best to summon that "holy" spirit. When it comes, ask it how much change I have in my pocket.
If u get it right, I'll abandon this "desert" religion for ur "pure" monotheistic... ummm... whatever the heck category ur religion falls under
@hchsbp1@silencerainbows Mohammad Ali never left in the middle of a fight. Loser. You're probably that Mickey Mouse character on Palatine TV that teaches kids to hate and kill Jews. Or maybe you'll get pictures of your service in the SS under Hitler. Or maybe when you return you might want me to guess how many unbelievers you've killed this week, or how many slave girls you have in your basement.
This is a fight? Let's play a little game called confuse the silly christian:
The Spirit of God is mentioned over forty times in the "Old Testament" (Exodus 31:3, Numbers 24:2 & Judges 3:10 to name a few)
Now, the Israelites were around for approximately 2,000 years before the Christians and at no time did anyone, not even any of the "old dudes" believed that the Spirit of God was a "god-head".
So, how come u Christians take the "Spirit" to be a "god-head"?
@hchsbp1 Read Deuteronomy 6:4 God is one God not three. He is Spirit and He revealed Himself in Jesus as the savior of the world. We also have a spirit that inhabits a material body until death, then the two are separated. That is the difference between a living and a dead body. In the dead body the human spirit is no longer present.
No where in Luke 10:27 does it say "All the Law is fulfilled in this..."; that is Galatians. Furthermore, Luke 10:27 is a shorter version of Matthew 22:37-40. So once again I ask u to answer my question of whether it is both Laws like Jesus taught, or just one like Paul taught.
Remember, 1 Peter 3:15 instructs u to answer my question.
BTW, that's not an answer to my question. This is an attempt to explain why ur religion should be considered monotheistic and not polytheistic.
Body and soul are two entities, not one. If they were considered one entity, then the spirit would die along with the body. The fact that the spirit continues on without the body is proof that they are two separate entities.
U are right in stating that God is one, not three. La ilaha ila Allah!
"They ask thee concerning the Spirit. Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: Of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you...." (17:85)
BTW, love the profile pic. "lamb of god"??? John spoke Galilean Aramaic, the word is "talya" meaning "servant". Jesus is the SERVANT of God.
One thing for sure about the spirit; it's not the god-head that makes you speak gibberish and jump around like a lunatic. That spirit is the jinn... LOL
so now we have John speaking galilean aramaic and the N.T is written in Greek Paul spoke and the rest of the Jews spoke Hebrew and JESUS spoke aramaic .
acts 2 1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
1 thing for sure you don't know squat abt the HOLY SPIRIT
@hchsbp1 Why can't you be like all the old-skool Muslim Skeiks on Youtube who take a stand and admit Mohammad taught wife beating and show us how to do it and on whom to beat? I picture you typing this out right now on a laptop from your cave bunker while Akmed generates the electricity with a stationary bike. Is that true?
@hchsbp1@silencerainbows Well, let's see. The Holy Spirit taught us a so-called prophet would come who would be a kid-toucher with Red hair who would fall to the ground and foam at the mouth when I faked his revelations. This total loser would screw any women within his grasp and his idiot followers would give their own kids to him to molest. This crap-stain would reinterpret authentic revelations to pull off the biggest death cult in the history of Earth. The Holy Spirit has really helped
@hchsbp1 Jesus fulfilled the requirement of the law by dying on the cross for the atonement of our sins.
He taught: "All the law is fulfilled in this, that you love your neighbor as yourself. And that you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your mind and with all your soul."
You are quoting Galatians 5:14, which was by Paul, not Jesus. Furthermore, there is no mention of "loving God with all your heart...". U are mixing up verses.
If u read Matthew 22:37-40, u will find that Jesus said that the two commandments upon which the Law and the Prophets hang are 1- Loving God with all ur heart... and 2- Loving your neighbor...
Yet, Paul said that it's only "loving ur neighbor...".
@hchsbp1 Read Deuteronomy chapter 6 vers 5. It's there. All scripture is inspired by God and Jesus Christ is God and the word of God. Gospel of John 1 verses 1 through five. It's both: Loving God with all your heart and your fellow man. In this all law is fulfilled. It is also called the royal law. James 2:8
@hchsbp1 - Are you addressing Judaism? Christ is the law for all people, by His words we will be judged. He was never a slave owner, child molester, bigamist, liar, thief or murder. In fact, he said those would never enter the Kingdom of God. 600 years after Christ, along came Muhammad, just as the Serpent came after God... Both, Muhammad & the Serpent tell people to ignore the instructions of everlasting life. Do you care about everlasting life?
Reply: U do not have the words of Jesus. He spoke Aramaic; all the manuscripts are in Greek. None were written by eye witnesses
All ur accusations are garbage based on garbage. Muhammad (pbuh) was the greatest prophet, who spread the LITERAL Word of God; The Qur'an. In ur religion, u believe god committed passive suicide, so that u may have everlasting life. We believe in a Forgiving God who Guides those who submit their will to Him
@hchsbp1 False. The language of the civilized world was Greek, since the time of the Grecian Empire. That is why even on the cross His name was written in Greek. History and artifacts can prove this.
Are you denying the true facts stated in Islam about Muhammad? He was a thief, a murderer, a pedophile, a slave owner, a bigamist, and a false prophet, who tells people to deny the Son, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ. That =Eternal Hell. Peace
U will not find a single scholar or historian who will tell u that Jesus spoke Greek. He spoke Galilean Aramaic. There are no "artifacts" that can prove anything. There is not a single shred of evidence that he even existed... outside of the Qur'an.
I'm denying the "facts" u are attempting to state. The "facts" that have been refuted over and over again to the point where it has become a joke. U need to educate urself rather than follow blindly. I'm willing to help u.
@hchsbp1 You probably only speak one language, sadly. I speak 3 languages, and am familiar with 6. Yeshua (Jesus) spoke to many different people. Greek was the universal language of the Roman and Grecian Empires. The Apostles spoke many languages as they ministered throughout the then Roman Empire, whose main language was Greek. There is no doubt that Christ spoke, Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek. He is the Lord. Muhammad was illiterate, not Christ. Peace.
Actually, I speak two languages fluently; English and Arabic. And am familiar with Hebrew as well. First of all it was Eesha (correct pronunciation in Aramaic). Second of all, your entire argument here is based on wishful thinking and not facts.
According to Christian scholars and historians alike, Jesus spoke Galilean dialect of Aramaic. He may have also spoken Hebrew dialect of Aramaic. However, he most certainly did not preach in Greek.
I want you to think about something here: Jesus, by his own words, was only sent to "the lost sheep of Israel". All of the holy books of the Israelites were written in Aramaic or Hebrew. These were the languages of their ancestors and their prophets.
So why would they record the very words of the "son of god" himself, in the language of their oppressors? You know, the very people whom they believed he would come to over throw?
BTW, Muhammad (pbuh) being illiterate was part of the miracle of the Qur'an. If we use your insult as a fact, then how can you explain the fact that an illiterate man was able to produce a Book free from any sort of defects or contradictions, while ur "holy spirit" inspired scribes committed so many mistakes and contradictions in your Holy Book that some scholars have stated "there are more mistakes than words in the Bible".
@sirjambo TWO 5- Human sacrifice: Judges 11:29-40 6- Homo's raping and ruing women: Judges 19:1-30 7- Have someone "test drive" the wife: Deut. 28:30 8- capture virgins as wives: Judges 21:6-25 9- How to get a husband: Ruth 3:6-9 10- More concubine hanky panky: 2Samuel 3:7 11- aaaah...it's good to be king: 2samuel 11:1-27 12- Sleep with daddy's wife (again): 2samuel 16:20-23 13- How to heal a sick old man: 1Kings1-4 14- Sex contest for new queen: Esther chapter 1-2 Continued...
@NightShadeAEB your fucking religion is disgustion. allah is disgusting, mohammed (piss be upon him) is utterly disgusting and has become the most famous pedophile. yes, islam is the most annoying , irritating , worst and disgusting religion in the universe. its a disease that should be eradicated, its worse than aids , thats how many people it kills every year in the name of ALLAH the TERRORIST.
allah is a motherfucker that needs some ass kicking and he`ll soon get it worse up his filthy ass.!
In any culture and in any race...women have been treated poorly at one point in history....men somehow didn't realize that the women gave birth to the clan.. The women feed those men and raised those children... Somehow the real idea of what a family is suppose to be was lost....the Man is the protector and the woman provides nurture....the human being fights against his nature....trying to be something that he is not....
@sirjambo 2:228 "(Women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them." Do have anything else to say. The arabs are in error. 9;97 The desert Arabs are harder in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely to ignore the Limits that God has revealed to His Messenger. God is Knower, Wise. Some people cant exscape culture, and the arabs still act like themselves when they do barbaric things outside of the Quran. Islam and arabs are two different things.
@CREOLETHEFIST Cherry picking suras and hating arabs will never work.
The reason you MUST pray in arabic is because the arabs say so.
Do you HONESTLY believe in islam woman are anywhere near equal with men?
You really should learn islam because that sura you picked is easily "beaten" by other suras, and MORE importantly by what your beloved profit said about and the way he treated women.
@sirjambo We live by the Quran and not the other way around. AND you know what good...we have the right to believe and worship how we choose. There is no need to slander something you do not understand. If you read the Quran you would know what you say yis totaly erronious. Sura 2:256
"Let there be no compulsion in religion."Meanind worship how you will and who you will. Now we are not accountable for no one else affairs.
Don't forget all those "right hand possessions", you know about those rights?
Bukhari;
"The Profit said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?' He said, 'By remaining silent.'"
U may not realize it yet, but ur response wreaks of desperation. If this is just a sample of how u'll be able to defend ur position, then this debate is going to be over real quick!
First, I'll smack u around with some Qur'anic verses and hadiths, then after that, I'll provide u with books from reputable non-Muslims historians and scholars.
"He created for you mates from among yourselves that you might find solace in them and he ordained between you love and mercy," [Qur'an 30:21]
Rights in marriage:
"O You who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably..." (An-Nisa 4:19)
"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever and All-Watcher over you." (Al-Nisa 4:1)
"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."
@sirjambo FIVE Hadiths: "Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men." (Abu Dawood) Education: "To seek knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim." "Whoever follows a way to seek knowledge, Allah will make easy for him a way to paradise." Kindness to wives: "The Prophet (pbuh) said: "The most perfect of believers in faith is the best of them in morals and the best of you are those who are kindest to your wives." continued...
In the Farewell sermon: the Prophet (pbuh) stressed the good treatment of women. He said: "O my people, you have certain rights over your wives and so have your wives over you..."
Status of a mother:
when the Prophet was questioned by a disciple as to who after God and his Prophet should be revered most, the Prophet said "Your mother." When questioned "Who, after the mother?" The Prophet said "Your mother."
"...He was again asked "And, then, who after the mother? " He again replied: "Your mother". The man put the question for the fourth time and the Prophet then answered: "Your father." This Tradition shows that the position of the mother in the eyes of her sons and daughters should be three times higher than that of the father.
@sirjambo EIGHT Break down of rights: 1- Obtain and education 2- Have own independent property 3- The right to work (in a safe and respectful environment) 4- Equality of reward for equal deeds. 5- Express their opinion and be heard. 6- Receive provisions from the husband for all her needs and more. 7- Negotiate marriage terms of her choice. 8- Keep the money she earned (not obligated to support household) Continued...
@sirjambo NINE Non-Muslim sources: James E. Lindsay "Daily Life in the Medieval Islamic World" Maya Shatzmiller "Labour in the Medieval Islamic World" John Esposito "Islam, Gender, and Social Change" Karen Armstrong "Islam" Now, u posed a question: "Do women have the right to more than one husband"? My challenge to you: find me just ONE woman who would like to have more than one husband. (not a boyfriend, but another person whom she is obligated to as a wife) continued...
Right to leave Islam? On what grounds? What about the right for anyone to leave Christianity? Is it permissible?
"Those whom ur right hand possesses" Is in reference to female concubines. Tell me, are there no concubines in the Bible? I'm only referring to the bible, because it's best to deal with Christians by exposing their ignorance and hypocrisy. Had u been an atheist, I would take the time to actually explain this one to u.
As for the hadith u quoted, it's actually very logical. U see, ur use to the loud, disrespectful type of women. This hadith is referring to those women that actually possess the quality of shyness.
U see, a shy girl would never tell her parents, "yes, I want to marry this man". She would simply stay silent because she is too shy to express her interest in him to her parents.
However, if she disapproves, she would let her parents know. This is the logic behind the hadith
U see, in ur world, the less clothes a woman wears, the more free she is. By those standards, a stripper is the most free woman in the world.
However, in Islam a women is encouraged to cover up. Because we do not allow them to be looked upon as sex objects. While u parade ur women around for everyone to see and make comments at.
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them" [Qur'an 24:30]
This is only a warm up. If u have enough courage to actually attempt to reply, I'll smack u around with some more facts about womens rights in Islam, compared to what u believe should be womens rights.
""This is only a warm up. If u have enough courage to actually attempt to reply, I'll smack u around with some more facts about womens rights in Islam, compared to what u believe should be womens rights.""
Listen butthead why not name those rights and stop using islamic logic which is an oxymoron because islam has NOTHING to do with logic!
List the rights and let's see how great those rights are OK?
Let's put aside this for 1 second and tell me if a 9 year old girl can consent to have sex?
"butthead"??? Feeling the heat and begging to resort to insults are we?? U obviously did not read my comments, I listed the rights, but were too overwhelmed to comprehend it.
Now u suddenly want to switch topics and talk about the Prophets (pbuh) marriage to Aisha (ra)?? Never mind the fact that u avoided the questions I posed to u.
I told u this would be over quick. U couldn't even challenge one thing I wrote.
@hchsbp1 OK so you pick a sura, hadith or 2 about women, but why not choose these;
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."
Or 1 of my favorite;
Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing...
...Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Koran.
LIKE DOMESTIC ANIMALS, did you get that?
Or maybe you will like this;
Aisha:
The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey AND A WOMAN (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs...
What do women who are considered "right hand possessions" get?
Do these women get ANY rights in islam?
It's a joke that you mention rights given to women by islam when women had MORE RIGHTS before islam.
For proof look at momo's 1st wife. She had a very successful business, and she married who she wanted, and the man who had so MANY women (including a 9 year old child, and a slave) never once dared to get another wife or slave while she was alive.
Why are you STILL avoiding my questions and attempting to change topics?? Ur so confident in ur sources, then cite them. Perhaps ur afraid I know ur sources and u have a very strong (and correct) feeling that I will expose u?? Is this why ur afraid to cite ur sources???
As for ur question, Muhammad (pbuh) is the best of creations. Now, this will be the last time I CHALLENGE u to answer the questions I posed to u and dare u to cite ur sources...
Obviously you are too scared to quote ur sources. Citing books, without specific reference is as good as me saying "The Bible claims jesus t be a false god" and then follow that up with "my sources are John, Luke, Genesis and Pslams"... ur too afraid to answer the question. Like I said, ur a coward. It's not an insult, it's an accurate observation.
Take the time to read what I wrote to u (click on "see all" to read my previous replies)
As for the other two hadiths, u mentioned; their meanings are actually quite simple: Aisha (ra) had a challenging nature and always questioned the Prophet (pbuh). This is why so many hadiths are narrated through her.
With regards to women allegedly "being equated to dogs": This is not what was meant by the hadith. This was just a simple challenge from Aisha (ra) because she misunderstood the meaning:
A dog's saliva negates ablution, so does passing wind. The touch of a woman (not related to u) also negates the ablution, because Muslim men are not allowed to come into physical contact with women they do not know.
This is the reason why many Muslim men do not shake the hands of strange women. Islam cuts the sins at its roots. And preventing the physical contact (even the slightest) between opposite sexes does exactly that.
Furthermore, the Qur'an is not open for interpretation like ur book. The Qur'an has meanings behind the verses and that is why we say what the scholars say. And if all the classical scholars, from the time of Muhammad (pbuh) until now say that is means non-violent, then it is non-violent.
U could read into the English translation all u want. U keep exposing urself as a typical christian hypocrite who dances around questions.
U still have not answered any of my questions, which only proves that u realize the futility of ur argument, but are hoping to somehow get away with it.
Answer the questions, coward. Cite ur sources for the hadiths I told u to, coward. "right hand possess" was already answered, coward. U just didn't read it. Click on "see all" because it doesn't show up on the regular thread.
@hchsbp1 "Answer the questions, coward." You have yet to answer these; What do women called right hand possessions get? What rights did islam give that they did not have before islam? Why are women considered to be deficient and worth less than a man? Why can a child of 9 be allowed to marry anyone, even a man OVER 50 years old? Saying something and doing it is very different. So MAN UP @sshole! "How slow are u??? " I am your superior simply because you are a muslim! IDIOT!
It seems that u are having trouble understanding what is being written. Perhaps u could find someone else to read for u and explain to u with pictures.
Let's go over this again. I will outline ur questions, answer them one by one and see if u get it this time. (I know what ur doing is actually trying to buy urself some time so u can avoid answering my questions. But it's okay, we'll play ur game. After all, I'm not responding to educate u, but to expose u)
Now, let's start with Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) marriage to Aisha (ra).
We'll even play by ur standards here, just to be fair: 53 years old, marrying a 9 year old: According to "Avert: Sexual feelings and relationships" booklet: "Not everyone starts puberty between the ages of 10 and 14...Generally they start between ages 7 and 13 in girls and ages 9 and 15 in boys."
We have established that girls can go through their menses as early as seven. When did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) marry Aisha (ra)?? 9. So it is safe to say that she had her menses. (We're still playing ur game)
Now, we're talking about a culture 1,400 years ago. How can u possibly judge when ur centuries removed and in a totally different culture. But why stop there? Let's look at other places and cultures throughout history
Ancient Greek marriage; men were in their 30's and girls in their early teens. By today's standards, u would call them pedophiles, but would u back then?
Matter of fact, in the early 1900's girls as young as 10 years old were allowed to get married. Is it allowed just 100 years later? Why?
God's Laws are simple: When a boy or girl reach the age of puberty, they are eligible for marriage. There is no regard for age difference
Idiotic sura [33:53] ...But GOD does not shy away from the truth. If you have to ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. You are not to hurt the messenger of GOD. You shall not marry his wives after him, for this would be a gross offense in the sight of GOD.
It seems like your idol and allah are the same person.
He was jealous and didn't want his wives to even see other men.
Bukhari:V4B52N211 "I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, 'Apostle, I am a bridegroom.' He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, 'A matron.' He said, 'Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.' 'Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.'"
So even a low life muslim has MORE and better morals than your idol.
You know what? I won't waste my time answering ur silly questions, because u obviously realized that u've got no stance and instead want to go on a tirade. Well... Two can play this game...
1- Lot having sex with his daughters: (Genesis 19:30-38)
2- Reuben (Jacob's firstborn son) having sex with his fathers wives: (Genesis 35:22 & 49:4)
3- It's okay to sleep with ur brothers wife: (Genesis 38:8-10)
@hchsbp1 Momo raping a child of 9 when he was over 50!
Momo killing, raiding, stealing, lying, means nothing to you because you can't judge by man-made standards as if there are other NON man made standards.
Just when you think that Muslims just CAN'T get any more stupid, they go and prove you wrong.
@sirjambo THREE 9- More breasts: (Song of Solomon 1:13) 10- Even more breasts: (Song of Solomon 4:5) 11- Yet even more breasts, with a bit of everything else: (Song of Solomon 7:1-9) 12- Mommy's breasts: (Song of Solomon 8:1-3) (Seems like ur holy ghost preferred to inspire scribes who were breast enthusiasts) 13- Look at that...even MORE breasts: (Song of Solomon 8:8-10) 14- And if u don't like it "eat dung and drink urine" . (2 Kings 18:27) 15- A gay god?? (Isaiah 20) Continued...
Bukhari:V4B52N143 "The Prophet told an Ansar, 'Choose one of your slave boys to serve me in my expedition to Khaybar.' So, he chose me, even though I was just nearing puberty. I served Muhammad when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, 'Allah! I seek refuge with you from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men.'"
@hchsbp1 "Tell me something sirjambo... how come u don't come to terms with these MAJOR issues in ur "holy book", yet u prefer to attempt to criticize ours???"
You are without a doubt the stupidest muslim.
Congratulations you have even surpassed your idol in stupidity.
Now if only you can star raping 9 year old girls you will be know as the greatest muslim ever.
How can an idiot like you be wrong every time?
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while but you are beyond help.
Today, what u have are man-made standards for marriage. That is why marriage age differs from country to country and even state to state.
By today's standards, what would u say if u saw a 96 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl? What would u call a god who comes out of a vagina? ( personally would call him a false god), but what about a 12 year old's vagina? A pedophile.
Like I said, christian hypocrite. Apply ur standards to ur own theology first...
See how rational of an answer this is? Ur judging by man-made standards. Yet, u claim to be a Christian. Why not judge by the standards set in ur holy book? How many wives did Solomon (as) have?
Next Question:
"Right hand possesses": Here is what the classical scholars say, because I know where u want to go with this. So rather than play along, I'll just cut u at the feet and remind u (once I'm done) to answer my questions:
Now, as for Al Tabari. This is in reference to Surah 4:34. First, this is discussing a very sensitive family issue. However, like everything else, physical contact has a limit. And in this case, all the classical Muslim scholars understood that "beat them" here meant that physical punishment for women cannot three taps on the shoulder.
This is an old trick of ur christian missionaries who prey on ignorant cowards like urself
This was before the Islam time.
When Islam came, it prevented this bad Habit wich Quraish was doing..
And In Islam, women are respected, In the time of the prophet Muhammad, women were respected, and their husbands wern't do anything before taking their wives opinion, and even their daughters.. Like Khalifa Ali ben Abu Taleb..
19901367walaa 6 months ago
isnt this the eat the poo-poo guy?
EricisSpade 6 months ago
Arabs and africans, bastardize ahead, the world won't miss either of you.
PratRisk 6 months ago
idiots....woman has nothing to do with a baby sex
informer6 7 months ago
these muslims are total weirdos.look at the state of them.for godness sake wake up out your slumber.worship a real god not a cult you idiots
TheFlo1690 8 months ago
@otl200
yeah all this because they thougth she where a Jew nice ppl and nice religion this islam
hannahr77 9 months ago
Change this title immediately!!!
Change to "Backward Arabs stay backward permanently by trusting Crazy Lunatic Prophet Mohammad."
Beat Wife, Kill people for making fun of you, Wash with Dust, Hate anyone not like you, and Kill, Kill, Kill Chop, Chop, Chop Screw, Screw, Screw
fdzwes 1 year ago
Just listen to this guy in the vid and you know how useless Islam is. The bad part is -it is dangerous too and deadly.
silencerainbows 1 year ago
@ashthegreat Why change it? When you google Muslim parents kill their daughter you get more than two million hits. Thats right, tow million results on Muslim parents killing their daughter or threatening to do so. Isalm is an ideology that is based on a false, cruel and merciless pseudo honor that will not even stop at slaughtering your own family members. So the title I'm sure is no accident.
silencerainbows 1 year ago
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Jeus Christ is the Son of God ! Selah ! No lie passed His lips and He committed no sin ! He is worthy to stand before God as a sanctified sacrifice for our sins. !! Selah!
catholicism is NOT Christianity at all!!
Glory2inri 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid
You're a complete idiot that doesn't even understand what God means and/or refers to. You have no idea how life is made to be, how people should be, and how people evolved through time as God wanted. God created evolution, man's thoughts, and your choices. You are just a complete dumb asshole who can't find it in his head to learn something or even try to help others around. What is your mission through life? Islam, God's work, made people advance. It IS pretty impressive!!
ashthegreat 1 year ago
@ashthegreat You don't need to swear.
silencerainbows 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid
Idiot, go learn how to think properly, anaylze critically, evaluate soundly, and then try to make a confrontational comment as dumb and ignorant as it can be coming from a moron like you.
Are you in a cult? Do you get paid by the government of USA/Israel to go around Youtube attempting (consequently failing) to distort the beautiful image of Islam, the religion that has united all races, people, and brought technological innovations in its time? The modern image is tainted
ashthegreat 1 year ago
@ashthegreat Islam's image may be beautiful but it's face behind the veil couldn't be any uglier. 16342 deadly attacks with alt least one person dead since 9/11.
That's nearly two thousand violent attacks each and every year, - day in day out.
Your image is a hoax. The evidence shows the ugly truth about Islam.
silencerainbows 1 year ago
At the time your so called prophet wad around this idiot was a slave monkey.
CrocodilleBile 1 year ago
@ashthegreat Arabs do honor killings on their daughters nowadays... so what's the difference? of course they do this inspite of Islam as in the past... but still killing their daughters all the same. Perhaps the Arabs should stop being disobedient to Allah (i.e. allowing the family of Saud to usurp their goverment)
moqutpar 1 year ago
Title should be changed to ANCIENT ARAB TRIBES burrying their daughters alive.
This is just fucked up. And Islam was clearly against that because the Prophet PBUH had at least one daughter ZEINAB!
Ugh! *facepalm*
ashthegreat 1 year ago
@ashthegreat Agreed - the Prophet had more than one daughters including Ruqayyah, Zainab and Ummu Khulsum.
FareezLovesMe 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 My last comment to you since you can't judge anything.
Get an education ASAP.
I don't mean an islamic education since like islamic science it's an oxymoron you moron. Sorry my last shot to try and wake you up out of your delusion.
Take the time you have to LEARN something of value.
Islam offers no value to you or anyone else.
Islam is the antithesis of knowledge. Ignorance is the essence of islam.
The more you learn and KNOW the less a muslim you will be. Try it you will be amazed.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
THREE
15- Mmmm... YUMMY: Ezekiel 4:12-15
16- The "LORDS" loins make a grand appearance: Ezekiel 8:2
17- Marry the whore: Hosea 1:2-11
18- Talk about "holy Shh....: Malachi 2:1-4
19- Burn the Whore: Rev. 17:1-6
20- The reason for so many child molesting priests?? 1 Corinthians 7:1-40
The more u reply, the more verses I'll quote from ur "holy book". U see, u brought this upon urself. Had u actually wanted to debate instead of insult, I would've never quoted this FILTH
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 I really did not want to continue arguing with an idiot but I will make this 1 exception.
"The more u reply, the more verses I'll quote from ur "holy book"."
You must not be too bright. How does quoting the bible make islam or the quran right? I will tell you, it doesn't.
You brought up women in islam and you couldn't even find 1 right given to women by islam that did not exist before. NOT 1!
His 1st wife had more rights than anyone and that was before islam.
Vini vidi vici!
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
ONE
Oh, trust me, I'm not quoting the bible to prove the Qur'an right. I'm quoting the Bible to expose ur typical christian hypocrisy. U see my friend, u never wanted to debate. u want to continue on with the same circular argument, avoid questions and put urself in a position to ridicule without attempting to understand.
Now, having said that, I will once again, quote to you another 20 verses from ur Holy book.
Continued...
hchsbp1 1 year ago
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
FOUR
18- Beat ur slave... but don't kill them: Exodus 21: 20-21
19- what happens if the virgin doesn't bleed during intercourse??Deut. 22: 20-21
20- Marry ur brothers wife, or get loogy in the face: Deut. 25:5-10
Hope u have as many laughs reading through these, as I had posting them. Keep replying... I got PLENTY more.
Everything u are attempting to make an issue out of in Islam, is TEN TIMES worse in ur bible.
How does it feel to be a total hypocrite??
hchsbp1 1 year ago 3
@hchsbp1 It's in the Old Testament. Yes it was bad in Old Testament times and this is why Jesus came. You Muslims still live like in the old testament. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. The ten commandments were given before all those things happened that you quote. Jesus said love you neighbor as yourself. Islam says about the non muslims "Cut off their heads and fingertips" "Slay them wherever you find them." Quran 2:101-193" Since 600 AD. The killing goes on.
silencerainbows 1 year ago
@silencerainbows
I just love it when Christians like u come along and make silly comments like: " It's in the Old Testament. Yes it was bad in Old Testament times and this is why Jesus came"
Really? So are you saying that Jesus cancelled out The Law? if so, can you please point to me in the Bible where Jesus says that the Law no longer applies??
Anxiously awaiting ur reply =)
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows You revere the Old Testament as an authentic revelation from God, right? Mohammad did.
Jesus did not cancel the Law, but the early Church effectively did in Act 14 with the Council of Jerusalem.
So, here's where we are at...
Muslims respect the testament that advocated stoning children, but not the New Testament that tells us to love our enemies.
Christians respect Old, then abrogates Old with the New and thinks the Koran is pure filth.
Conclusion: Islam for Haters
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
ONE
First of all, u need to check ur facts before posting ignorance. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never "revered" the Old Testament. What the Qur'an refers to is the Book revealed to the Prophet Moses (as).
A Book that is no longer in existence
U wrote: "Jesus did not cancel the Law, but the early Church effectively did in Act 14 with the Council of Jerusalem."
Reply: Basically what ur saying here is that the Church is going against the teachings of Jesus (as). EXACTLY OUR POINT
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows You need to get the holy dust that you wash with out of your ears and eyes. If Mohammad revered Moses than he revered the Old Testament verses advocating stoning. And Yes the book is still in existence. Muslims tell so many lies they can't keep their story straight. Stoning is a penalty in Islam. It's all over the internet, Muslim sites. Harder to lie now with proof, but you'll keep trying.
Must suck to have Non-believers teaching you your religion.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
ONE
"teach me my religion"
Sit back and read this while I teach you:
1- Find the verse in the Qur'an that mentions the "Old Testament"
2- Find me one reputable scholar who will tell u that your "holy books" aren't corrupt
3- Find the verse in the Qur'an that advocates stoning
4- Answer this: How come the Jews and Israelites do not refer to their Holy Book as "Old Testament"?
5- How come Jesus (as) came to uphold the The Law and your "Church Fathers" abrogated it?
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Looks like you still have alot of questions. I would too if I was a Muslim. I'd be crying myself to sleep at night wondering if I had been decieved. (You have, by the way.)
Filthy Mohammad respected Moses as a prophet. There's your stoning. Got that? A Muslim scholar wouldn't recognize a corrupt book if it hit him in the face. How the heck could a Muslim scholar pass judgment on a book 1500 years older than Islam?! Islam is for fools.
You tell me...You're the sickos that stone.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
I love the dancing around and how avoided answering even one question
BTW, I was referring to Christian and Jewish scholars. Did u know that ur own scholars say that ur holy book is nothing more than exaggerated stories, fables and a dash of history? Ever heard of the documentary hypothesis?
And u have the courage to say that I've been deceived?
Where is Paran?
Who is the Holy one who came from Paran? (Habakkuk 3:3)
Here's a hint: It's the place where Ishmael(as) was raised
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 All you have is questions. You're the dancer--the Mohammad Ali--of this conversation. Well, I'm Joe Frazier. You Muslims can sure dance around issues and talk smack. You sure suck at genuine religion.
Christian scholars can disagree in America.. Not like dust-bowl Muslim paradise filthy Western Oil Fields. And they do. It takes no courage to tell you you've been deceived. It would take some on your part to admit it. Paran, whatever the issue, would never lead me to kiss a stone.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
"All I have are questions"??
U mean questions that u have no answers to? See, I already know the answer to every question I asked. Unfortunately, u don't.
I love playing with people like u. I ask u questions to expose ur ignorance.
Let me know if u ever want to learn about Islam from Muslims and not the "internet".
Here's another question:
When Saul first encountered what he claims to be Jesus. How many people, besides him, saw the light?
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@fdzwes
Continue replying.
I'm gonna give u a crash course in Christian Comedy 101.
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@fdzwes
TWO
Stick to ur insults, because that is all you have. Your religion is paganism wrapped up in a cloth of monotheism.
Jesus (as) spoke Aramaic, yet you do not have a single manuscript in that language or even in Hebrew. Who wrote your "Holy Books"? Roman PAGANS did.
I want you to continue replying, because after I expose your ignorance about Islam, I'm going to expose ur ignorance regarding ur pagan religion.
Looking forward to more replies
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@fdzwes
TWO
Second of all, we do not respect anything that advocates stoning. Reason being that stoning is not a penalty in Islam.
It is clear from your writing that you know that the Church is going against the teachings of Jesus (as). So the reality is YOU KNOW you are following the teachings of pagans and not the teachings of Jesus (as).
We follow Jesus (as) teachings and his way of life. You pay lip service.
Conclusion: Christianity for hypocrites
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows The Church made converts of the gentiles, and Paul concluded that God did not care that they obey Jewish laws. He learned that through prayer and the Holy Spirit taught him. Same at the Council. Read it. Says, "..seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.." Humans are designed to have a personal relationship with God. This is real religion.
Islam is total filth. Koran is field manual for violent conquest. Orphan mentioned 26 times cause so many men die in battle.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
THREE
Look at your stupidity: "Paul concluded that God did not care that they obey Jewish laws."
Yet you believe Jesus is God and your "god" clearly CARED about the Law. Do you even read what u are writing?
Matt. 5:18: I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Must suck having a Muslim teach your ur religion
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows You can disagree with Church doctrine. We don't stone unbelievers here, like the Muslim paradises back East. Maybe a little sincerity will go a long way to getting your questions answered. If you're hung up on how Jesus' opinion of the Law is abrogated by the Church in Council, that's a moderately easy question to answer.
You tell me...
How can you revere a prophet who has people killed just for making fun of him. (All over internet)
He teaches wife-beating. Sick
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
How do u revere prophets who kill people for making fun of him: 2 Kings 2:23 (All over ur Bible)
How about a Prophet who kills women, children, infants and cattle: Numbers 31?
How can u worship a god who came out of a vagina? A "god" that is declared A FALSE PROPHET by the very book he was sent to uphold? Deuteronomy 13:1-3
Deceived much?
Keep going to the "internet" and I'll keep going to ur Bible.
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 So? What's your point? You're prophet Mohammad is the role model. You are the dancers that try to make his sick behavior seem normal. Christians don't give rip about this old dudes in the Bible you keep throwing up. Muslims look, in vain, for some moral justification for revering a filthy, kid-touching prophet--Mohammad.
fdzwes 1 year ago
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@fdzwes
Okay, so u "Christians don't give rip about this old dudes in the Bible you keep throwing up."
"Old dudes"?? U mean the Prophets ur God selected? How about the "Old Man" himself? U know, the "Father"??
Joshua 10:40
Deut 33:11
1Kings 21:21
I got more verses. PLENTY MORE VERSES!!
How about this:
Genesis 12:2-3 says u should care about the "old dudes" in the Bible
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@fdzwes
BTW, u still havent answered a single question.
Why is that?
Seems like u picked the wrong Muslim to spill ur ignorance to
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1@silencerainbows You remind me of a Palestinian kid throwing stones at an Israeli tank. Don't worry, I've got a feeling you'll allow your Islam deception to continue to guide you. And before you know it we'll be hunting you with drones. You'll never see it coming.
But you will have died in the way of Allah, on your stupid jihad. Then you get your 70 see-thru ever-virgin whore-like sex machines to screw for all eternity
Dirt poor religion for Dirt ignorant humans.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
I have another question for you? Which homo scribe in ur "holy book" saw the "loins" of the Lord? Ezekiel 1:27, Ezekiel 8:2
Here's another question:
Which homo scribe had gangrene growing on his loins? Psalms 38:7
Keep replying
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Pointless posts. The old Islam razzle-dazzle. Hold still for a moment:
Notice that at the end of the day you will revere a man who put naked 9 year girls on his lap, AS A PROPHET.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
Awww... what's up with ur short replies? That knot in ur throat got ur brain racing?
Didn't expect for a Muslim to expose u like this? Keep replying. I bet u'll be an atheist before the end of the day... LOL
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows That's it...keep typing. We're getting a strike signal on your location right now. Maybe Osama will give you a "black stone" kiss before the missile strike :)
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
Hey Christian, sit tight, I got a few things to take care of.
When I come back, I'll have more questions. I think this would be a good time to try ur best to summon that "holy" spirit. When it comes, ask it how much change I have in my pocket.
If u get it right, I'll abandon this "desert" religion for ur "pure" monotheistic... ummm... whatever the heck category ur religion falls under
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows Mohammad Ali never left in the middle of a fight. Loser. You're probably that Mickey Mouse character on Palatine TV that teaches kids to hate and kill Jews. Or maybe you'll get pictures of your service in the SS under Hitler. Or maybe when you return you might want me to guess how many unbelievers you've killed this week, or how many slave girls you have in your basement.
Islam: religion for thugs.
I won.
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
"Middle of a fight"????
This is a fight? Let's play a little game called confuse the silly christian:
The Spirit of God is mentioned over forty times in the "Old Testament" (Exodus 31:3, Numbers 24:2 & Judges 3:10 to name a few)
Now, the Israelites were around for approximately 2,000 years before the Christians and at no time did anyone, not even any of the "old dudes" believed that the Spirit of God was a "god-head".
So, how come u Christians take the "Spirit" to be a "god-head"?
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Read Deuteronomy 6:4 God is one God not three. He is Spirit and He revealed Himself in Jesus as the savior of the world. We also have a spirit that inhabits a material body until death, then the two are separated. That is the difference between a living and a dead body. In the dead body the human spirit is no longer present.
silencerainbows 10 months ago
@silencerainbows
No where in Luke 10:27 does it say "All the Law is fulfilled in this..."; that is Galatians. Furthermore, Luke 10:27 is a shorter version of Matthew 22:37-40. So once again I ask u to answer my question of whether it is both Laws like Jesus taught, or just one like Paul taught.
Remember, 1 Peter 3:15 instructs u to answer my question.
hchsbp1 10 months ago
@silencerainbows
BTW, that's not an answer to my question. This is an attempt to explain why ur religion should be considered monotheistic and not polytheistic.
Body and soul are two entities, not one. If they were considered one entity, then the spirit would die along with the body. The fact that the spirit continues on without the body is proof that they are two separate entities.
U are right in stating that God is one, not three. La ilaha ila Allah!
hchsbp1 10 months ago
@hchsbp1
Is Gabriel the Holy spirit according to ill-allah/muhammad?=Ruach Kodesh in Hebrew it's very similar in arabic
hannahr77 1 year ago
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hannahr77
"They ask thee concerning the Spirit. Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: Of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you...." (17:85)
BTW, love the profile pic. "lamb of god"??? John spoke Galilean Aramaic, the word is "talya" meaning "servant". Jesus is the SERVANT of God.
One thing for sure about the spirit; it's not the god-head that makes you speak gibberish and jump around like a lunatic. That spirit is the jinn... LOL
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1
so now we have John speaking galilean aramaic and the N.T is written in Greek Paul spoke and the rest of the Jews spoke Hebrew and JESUS spoke aramaic .
hannahr77 9 months ago
@hchsbp1
acts 2 1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
1 thing for sure you don't know squat abt the HOLY SPIRIT
hannahr77 9 months ago
@hannahr77
So.....ur saying the holy spirit is the entity that possess you and causes you to speak incomprehensible languages???
Hate to break this news to you, but this practice of "speaking in tongues" is found in some pagan religions predating your pagan religion.
How come Paul is the only one who recorded this major event, but all the other so-called "eye-witnesses" failed to record it in their Gospels???
BTW...Acts was written BEFORE Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
hchsbp1 9 months ago
@fdzwes
Hey, I have an idea, why don't u summon the holy spirit to help out with this one?
Unless of course the only thing ur "holy" spirit is good for is incoherent ramblings
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@fdzwes
BTW, there is no disagreement amongst ur scholars. They all agree that ur "holy" book is corrupted.
"Joe Frazier"??? More like "glass Joe"
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Why can't you be like all the old-skool Muslim Skeiks on Youtube who take a stand and admit Mohammad taught wife beating and show us how to do it and on whom to beat? I picture you typing this out right now on a laptop from your cave bunker while Akmed generates the electricity with a stationary bike. Is that true?
fdzwes 1 year ago
@fdzwes
I have another question: What "all truths" has the "holy" spirit lead u to since the the ascension of Jesus?
What has the "holy" spirit taught u, that Jesus said "you can't bear to hear them now"??
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 @silencerainbows Well, let's see. The Holy Spirit taught us a so-called prophet would come who would be a kid-toucher with Red hair who would fall to the ground and foam at the mouth when I faked his revelations. This total loser would screw any women within his grasp and his idiot followers would give their own kids to him to molest. This crap-stain would reinterpret authentic revelations to pull off the biggest death cult in the history of Earth. The Holy Spirit has really helped
fdzwes 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Jesus fulfilled the requirement of the law by dying on the cross for the atonement of our sins.
He taught: "All the law is fulfilled in this, that you love your neighbor as yourself. And that you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your mind and with all your soul."
silencerainbows 10 months ago
@silencerainbows
You are quoting Galatians 5:14, which was by Paul, not Jesus. Furthermore, there is no mention of "loving God with all your heart...". U are mixing up verses.
If u read Matthew 22:37-40, u will find that Jesus said that the two commandments upon which the Law and the Prophets hang are 1- Loving God with all ur heart... and 2- Loving your neighbor...
Yet, Paul said that it's only "loving ur neighbor...".
So which is it;
1- just one, (Paul)?
2- or both (Jesus)?
hchsbp1 10 months ago
@hchsbp1 Read Deuteronomy chapter 6 vers 5. It's there. All scripture is inspired by God and Jesus Christ is God and the word of God. Gospel of John 1 verses 1 through five. It's both: Loving God with all your heart and your fellow man. In this all law is fulfilled. It is also called the royal law. James 2:8
He who walks in this does not sin.
silencerainbows 10 months ago
@hchsbp1 I was referring to Luke 10:27
silencerainbows 10 months ago
@hchsbp1 - Are you addressing Judaism? Christ is the law for all people, by His words we will be judged. He was never a slave owner, child molester, bigamist, liar, thief or murder. In fact, he said those would never enter the Kingdom of God. 600 years after Christ, along came Muhammad, just as the Serpent came after God... Both, Muhammad & the Serpent tell people to ignore the instructions of everlasting life. Do you care about everlasting life?
hottamale02 7 months ago
@hottamale02
U wrote: "by His words we will be judged"
Reply: U do not have the words of Jesus. He spoke Aramaic; all the manuscripts are in Greek. None were written by eye witnesses
All ur accusations are garbage based on garbage. Muhammad (pbuh) was the greatest prophet, who spread the LITERAL Word of God; The Qur'an. In ur religion, u believe god committed passive suicide, so that u may have everlasting life. We believe in a Forgiving God who Guides those who submit their will to Him
hchsbp1 7 months ago
@hchsbp1 False. The language of the civilized world was Greek, since the time of the Grecian Empire. That is why even on the cross His name was written in Greek. History and artifacts can prove this.
Are you denying the true facts stated in Islam about Muhammad? He was a thief, a murderer, a pedophile, a slave owner, a bigamist, and a false prophet, who tells people to deny the Son, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ. That =Eternal Hell. Peace
hottamale02 7 months ago
@hottamale02
U will not find a single scholar or historian who will tell u that Jesus spoke Greek. He spoke Galilean Aramaic. There are no "artifacts" that can prove anything. There is not a single shred of evidence that he even existed... outside of the Qur'an.
I'm denying the "facts" u are attempting to state. The "facts" that have been refuted over and over again to the point where it has become a joke. U need to educate urself rather than follow blindly. I'm willing to help u.
hchsbp1 7 months ago
@hchsbp1 You probably only speak one language, sadly. I speak 3 languages, and am familiar with 6. Yeshua (Jesus) spoke to many different people. Greek was the universal language of the Roman and Grecian Empires. The Apostles spoke many languages as they ministered throughout the then Roman Empire, whose main language was Greek. There is no doubt that Christ spoke, Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek. He is the Lord. Muhammad was illiterate, not Christ. Peace.
hottamale02 7 months ago
@hottamale02
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Actually, I speak two languages fluently; English and Arabic. And am familiar with Hebrew as well. First of all it was Eesha (correct pronunciation in Aramaic). Second of all, your entire argument here is based on wishful thinking and not facts.
According to Christian scholars and historians alike, Jesus spoke Galilean dialect of Aramaic. He may have also spoken Hebrew dialect of Aramaic. However, he most certainly did not preach in Greek.
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hchsbp1 7 months ago
@hottamale02
TWO
I want you to think about something here: Jesus, by his own words, was only sent to "the lost sheep of Israel". All of the holy books of the Israelites were written in Aramaic or Hebrew. These were the languages of their ancestors and their prophets.
So why would they record the very words of the "son of god" himself, in the language of their oppressors? You know, the very people whom they believed he would come to over throw?
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hchsbp1 7 months ago
@hchsbp1 the language of the 'oppressors' was latin.
jas22 2 weeks ago
@hottamale02
THREE
BTW, Muhammad (pbuh) being illiterate was part of the miracle of the Qur'an. If we use your insult as a fact, then how can you explain the fact that an illiterate man was able to produce a Book free from any sort of defects or contradictions, while ur "holy spirit" inspired scribes committed so many mistakes and contradictions in your Holy Book that some scholars have stated "there are more mistakes than words in the Bible".
Chew on that for a while... salam!
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
ONE
See? I knew this was how to deal with u. U never wanted to debate. U wanted to ridicule. So the only way to show u how stupid u are is by exposing u.
Here are 20 more bible verses for u to ponder:
1- A gay god and his prophets: (1 Samuels 19:20-24)
2- Eat ur children: (Numbers 26:29)
3- "Trial wives" anyone?? (Deut. 21:10ff)
4- What if ur daddy catches u having sex? Don't worry, bible's got a plan for that (Deut. 22:28-29)
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
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@NightShadeAEB your fucking religion is disgustion. allah is disgusting, mohammed (piss be upon him) is utterly disgusting and has become the most famous pedophile. yes, islam is the most annoying , irritating , worst and disgusting religion in the universe. its a disease that should be eradicated, its worse than aids , thats how many people it kills every year in the name of ALLAH the TERRORIST.
allah is a motherfucker that needs some ass kicking and he`ll soon get it worse up his filthy ass.!
vasant85 1 year ago
In any culture and in any race...women have been treated poorly at one point in history....men somehow didn't realize that the women gave birth to the clan.. The women feed those men and raised those children... Somehow the real idea of what a family is suppose to be was lost....the Man is the protector and the woman provides nurture....the human being fights against his nature....trying to be something that he is not....
Iamnotmyself31 1 year ago
Islam is a sex cult.
Mohammed (PIGS be upon him) is a paedophile.
luxfair 1 year ago
Islam is for stupid muslims!
This is propaganda, nothing more, and a whole lot less!
Women are just possessions in islam.
Women have no rights in islam.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo 2:228 "(Women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them." Do have anything else to say. The arabs are in error. 9;97 The desert Arabs are harder in rejection and hypocrisy, and more likely to ignore the Limits that God has revealed to His Messenger. God is Knower, Wise. Some people cant exscape culture, and the arabs still act like themselves when they do barbaric things outside of the Quran. Islam and arabs are two different things.
CREOLETHEFIST 1 year ago
@CREOLETHEFIST Cherry picking suras and hating arabs will never work.
The reason you MUST pray in arabic is because the arabs say so.
Do you HONESTLY believe in islam woman are anywhere near equal with men?
You really should learn islam because that sura you picked is easily "beaten" by other suras, and MORE importantly by what your beloved profit said about and the way he treated women.
Wanna know or are you just a believer?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo We live by the Quran and not the other way around. AND you know what good...we have the right to believe and worship how we choose. There is no need to slander something you do not understand. If you read the Quran you would know what you say yis totaly erronious. Sura 2:256
"Let there be no compulsion in religion."Meanind worship how you will and who you will. Now we are not accountable for no one else affairs.
CREOLETHEFIST 1 year ago
@CREOLETHEFIST "we have the right to believe and worship how we choose."
Did I say you can't? Am I taking your right away?
"There is no need to slander something you do not understand."
I understand islam so is it OK then to slander? Do I have that right?
Now back to the question you did not answer;
Do you HONESTLY believe in islam woman are anywhere near equal with men?
Do you know some really bad things your profit said about women?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
Let's make something very clear; from ur comments alone, u DO NOT understand Islam.
How about u and I debate the rights of women under Islam? Care to expose ur ignorance?
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1
Why not name those rights?
Is one of them the right to leave islam?
Or maybe the right to have more than 1 husband?
Don't forget all those "right hand possessions", you know about those rights?
Bukhari;
"The Profit said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent?' He said, 'By remaining silent.'"
That's some MAJOR islamic logic right there.
Rights are wrong in islam.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
U may not realize it yet, but ur response wreaks of desperation. If this is just a sample of how u'll be able to defend ur position, then this debate is going to be over real quick!
First, I'll smack u around with some Qur'anic verses and hadiths, then after that, I'll provide u with books from reputable non-Muslims historians and scholars.
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
TWO
Love between husband and wife:
"He created for you mates from among yourselves that you might find solace in them and he ordained between you love and mercy," [Qur'an 30:21]
Rights in marriage:
"O You who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably..." (An-Nisa 4:19)
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
THREE
"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever and All-Watcher over you." (Al-Nisa 4:1)
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
FOUR
Ending female infanticide:
"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."
(An-Nahl 16:58-59)
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
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@sirjambo
SIX
In the Farewell sermon: the Prophet (pbuh) stressed the good treatment of women. He said: "O my people, you have certain rights over your wives and so have your wives over you..."
Status of a mother:
when the Prophet was questioned by a disciple as to who after God and his Prophet should be revered most, the Prophet said "Your mother." When questioned "Who, after the mother?" The Prophet said "Your mother."
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
SEVEN
"...He was again asked "And, then, who after the mother? " He again replied: "Your mother". The man put the question for the fourth time and the Prophet then answered: "Your father." This Tradition shows that the position of the mother in the eyes of her sons and daughters should be three times higher than that of the father.
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
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@sirjambo
TEN
Right to leave Islam? On what grounds? What about the right for anyone to leave Christianity? Is it permissible?
"Those whom ur right hand possesses" Is in reference to female concubines. Tell me, are there no concubines in the Bible? I'm only referring to the bible, because it's best to deal with Christians by exposing their ignorance and hypocrisy. Had u been an atheist, I would take the time to actually explain this one to u.
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
ELEVEN
As for the hadith u quoted, it's actually very logical. U see, ur use to the loud, disrespectful type of women. This hadith is referring to those women that actually possess the quality of shyness.
U see, a shy girl would never tell her parents, "yes, I want to marry this man". She would simply stay silent because she is too shy to express her interest in him to her parents.
However, if she disapproves, she would let her parents know. This is the logic behind the hadith
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
TWELVE
U see, in ur world, the less clothes a woman wears, the more free she is. By those standards, a stripper is the most free woman in the world.
However, in Islam a women is encouraged to cover up. Because we do not allow them to be looked upon as sex objects. While u parade ur women around for everyone to see and make comments at.
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them" [Qur'an 24:30]
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
THIRTEEN
This is only a warm up. If u have enough courage to actually attempt to reply, I'll smack u around with some more facts about womens rights in Islam, compared to what u believe should be womens rights.
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 So how many rights did you name in ALL the comments you made?
Can you list these rights that women have?
Esposito, Armstrong, are you getting desperate already?
""U see, in ur world, the less clothes a woman wears, the more free she is. By those standards, a stripper is the most free woman in the world""
Your islamic logic is showing again.
Women in the west are ALLOWED to make their own decisions and don't need the permission of a man to do anything including strippers!
sirjambo 1 year ago
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""Because we do not allow them to be looked upon as sex objects.""
It is because you view woman as SEX OBJECTS that you want them covered so NOBODY will ever see them.
YOU are afraid of a women's sexuality. Actually you are afraid of women!
You honestly BELIEVE that NO WOMAN IN THE WORLD would want another husband or 3 or 4?
You are deluded.
sirjambo 1 year ago
""This is only a warm up. If u have enough courage to actually attempt to reply, I'll smack u around with some more facts about womens rights in Islam, compared to what u believe should be womens rights.""
Listen butthead why not name those rights and stop using islamic logic which is an oxymoron because islam has NOTHING to do with logic!
List the rights and let's see how great those rights are OK?
Let's put aside this for 1 second and tell me if a 9 year old girl can consent to have sex?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
"butthead"??? Feeling the heat and begging to resort to insults are we?? U obviously did not read my comments, I listed the rights, but were too overwhelmed to comprehend it.
Now u suddenly want to switch topics and talk about the Prophets (pbuh) marriage to Aisha (ra)?? Never mind the fact that u avoided the questions I posed to u.
I told u this would be over quick. U couldn't even challenge one thing I wrote.
Typical...
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 OK so you pick a sura, hadith or 2 about women, but why not choose these;
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."
Or 1 of my favorite;
Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing...
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sirjambo 1 year ago
...Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Koran.
LIKE DOMESTIC ANIMALS, did you get that?
Or maybe you will like this;
Aisha:
The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey AND A WOMAN (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs...
So women are given the rights of ANIMALS!
sirjambo 1 year ago
What do women who are considered "right hand possessions" get?
Do these women get ANY rights in islam?
It's a joke that you mention rights given to women by islam when women had MORE RIGHTS before islam.
For proof look at momo's 1st wife. She had a very successful business, and she married who she wanted, and the man who had so MANY women (including a 9 year old child, and a slave) never once dared to get another wife or slave while she was alive.
So what were those rights again?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
Just when I thought u could not possibly get urself into any more problems, u went ahead and surpassed my expectations.
Now, I ask a very simple request: Provide ur sources for the hadiths u are quoting and I'll point out to u the sheer stupidity u are displaying
hchsbp1 1 year ago
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@hchsbp1 Why not "point out to u the sheer stupidity..." if you can?
"Also, try to man up and actually answer my questions to u"
What do women who are considered "right hand possessions" get?
Do these women get ANY rights in islam?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@hchsbp1
What do women who are considered "right hand possessions" get?
Do these women get ANY rights in islam?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
Dancing around even more I see. Why are u so afraid to cite ur sources??? I've cited mine. I've even asked u questions which u are avoiding....
Did Jesus teach u to be a little punk, or did u pick that up from paul?
hchsbp1 1 year ago
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@hchsbp1 What do women who are considered "right hand possessions" get?
Do these women get ANY rights in islam?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Speaking of jesus, would you consider him to be a better man than momo?
And why all the hatred for christianity? Is that what momo taught you?
As for my sources, you should know.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
Why are you STILL avoiding my questions and attempting to change topics?? Ur so confident in ur sources, then cite them. Perhaps ur afraid I know ur sources and u have a very strong (and correct) feeling that I will expose u?? Is this why ur afraid to cite ur sources???
As for ur question, Muhammad (pbuh) is the best of creations. Now, this will be the last time I CHALLENGE u to answer the questions I posed to u and dare u to cite ur sources...
I'm calling u out, COWARD!
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 "Why are you STILL avoiding my questions"
If you want a debate it is a 2 way street.
So you believe momo was better than jesus, how did you come to that conclusion?
My sources are hadiths by Muslim, Bukhari, and Tabari. I will also use the quran.
"I'm calling u out, COWARD!"
An insult from a braindead muslim is always considered a compliment because insults are your only weapon in a free country.
Now why not answer my questions about "right hand possessions"?
What rights do they have?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo As for the rights you mentioned, did women have these before islam?
It would seem so since even the profit's 1st wife had all those and more BEFORE islam.
So what rights did islam give them besides being married off at 9?
Can you be specific?
For example it takes 2 women to equal 1 man in islam. Is that right?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
Obviously you are too scared to quote ur sources. Citing books, without specific reference is as good as me saying "The Bible claims jesus t be a false god" and then follow that up with "my sources are John, Luke, Genesis and Pslams"... ur too afraid to answer the question. Like I said, ur a coward. It's not an insult, it's an accurate observation.
Take the time to read what I wrote to u (click on "see all" to read my previous replies)
And answer my questions
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 "Citing books, without specific reference"
Your comprehension skills are very weak, must be an "islamic thing".
I have used hadiths by Muslim, Bukhari, and Tabari so far. You just can't find ANY rights given to women that they didn't have before islam.
You keep bragging how you'll do this and that but like all muslims you can never prove anything about your idiotic religion.
I don't blame you much because when you started to BELIEVE in islam is the day you lost your mind.
sirjambo 1 year ago
Even when given answers you pretend as if there were no answers.
Like I wrote before a debate is a 2 way street. You answer my questions like I answered yours.
What do women called right hand possessions get?
What rights did islam give that they did not have before islam?
Why are women considered to be deficient and worth less than a man?
Why can a child of 9 be allowed to marry anyone, even a man OVER 50 years old?
You did say you want a debate about women in islam so can you answer anything?
sirjambo 1 year ago
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@sirjambo
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Apparently, it is u who has a very hard time reading. So I will make this even simpler for you.
CITE UR SOURCES: "Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
TWO
As for the other two hadiths, u mentioned; their meanings are actually quite simple: Aisha (ra) had a challenging nature and always questioned the Prophet (pbuh). This is why so many hadiths are narrated through her.
With regards to women allegedly "being equated to dogs": This is not what was meant by the hadith. This was just a simple challenge from Aisha (ra) because she misunderstood the meaning:
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
THREE
A dog's saliva negates ablution, so does passing wind. The touch of a woman (not related to u) also negates the ablution, because Muslim men are not allowed to come into physical contact with women they do not know.
This is the reason why many Muslim men do not shake the hands of strange women. Islam cuts the sins at its roots. And preventing the physical contact (even the slightest) between opposite sexes does exactly that.
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Then the touch of a woman is EQUAL to a dog!
Thanks for clearing that up.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
TWO
Furthermore, the Qur'an is not open for interpretation like ur book. The Qur'an has meanings behind the verses and that is why we say what the scholars say. And if all the classical scholars, from the time of Muhammad (pbuh) until now say that is means non-violent, then it is non-violent.
U could read into the English translation all u want. U keep exposing urself as a typical christian hypocrite who dances around questions.
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 "Furthermore, the Qur'an is not open for interpretation like ur book."
Another funny remark. You should be a comedian.
The quran is ALWAYS reinterpreted OVER and OVER again by muslims!
Since when is beat her mean a tap on the shoulder?
Here is the sura 4:34;
"...As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them..."
You are just a TYPICAL blowhard muslim who brags and boasts all day and then NEVER delivers. It's OK your an idiot.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
THREE
U still have not answered any of my questions, which only proves that u realize the futility of ur argument, but are hoping to somehow get away with it.
Answer the questions, coward. Cite ur sources for the hadiths I told u to, coward. "right hand possess" was already answered, coward. U just didn't read it. Click on "see all" because it doesn't show up on the regular thread.
How slow are u???
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sirjambo 1 year ago
"So in reality, ur god came out of a 12 yr olds vagina "
Not my god, but do you KNOW the difference between a 12 and 9?
Like I said go to any school and look.
Are you 1 of those sex offenders that is not allowed to be near schools?
Is that why you don't know the difference between a 12 - 15 year old and a 9 year old girl?
Don't worry because since your a muslim you can go to ANY islamic country and RAPE a child of 9 just like your beloved idol.
How can a 9 year old child consent to have sex?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
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It seems that u are having trouble understanding what is being written. Perhaps u could find someone else to read for u and explain to u with pictures.
Let's go over this again. I will outline ur questions, answer them one by one and see if u get it this time. (I know what ur doing is actually trying to buy urself some time so u can avoid answering my questions. But it's okay, we'll play ur game. After all, I'm not responding to educate u, but to expose u)
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
TWO
Now, let's start with Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) marriage to Aisha (ra).
We'll even play by ur standards here, just to be fair: 53 years old, marrying a 9 year old: According to "Avert: Sexual feelings and relationships" booklet: "Not everyone starts puberty between the ages of 10 and 14...Generally they start between ages 7 and 13 in girls and ages 9 and 15 in boys."
So now what have we established??
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1
CAN A 9 YEAR OLD GIRL CONSENT TO HAVE SEX WITH A 50+ YEAR OLD MAN?
How is it possible for a man OVER 50 to get aroused when he looks at a 9 year old girl?
Do YOU get aroused when you look at a 9 year old girl?
Very simple question for anyone that is not a brainwashed idiotic retarded muslim.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
THREE
We have established that girls can go through their menses as early as seven. When did Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) marry Aisha (ra)?? 9. So it is safe to say that she had her menses. (We're still playing ur game)
Now, we're talking about a culture 1,400 years ago. How can u possibly judge when ur centuries removed and in a totally different culture. But why stop there? Let's look at other places and cultures throughout history
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
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@hchsbp1 "How can u possibly judge when ur centuries removed and in a totally different culture."
YES we can judge a culture no matter when it took place.
If you think sorry I mean BELIEVE what your idol did was a common practice,
please name me just 1 other person who was over 50 and raped a child of 9?
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
FOUR
Ancient Greek marriage; men were in their 30's and girls in their early teens. By today's standards, u would call them pedophiles, but would u back then?
Matter of fact, in the early 1900's girls as young as 10 years old were allowed to get married. Is it allowed just 100 years later? Why?
God's Laws are simple: When a boy or girl reach the age of puberty, they are eligible for marriage. There is no regard for age difference
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 "Ancient Greek marriage; men were in their 30's and girls in their early teens."
It seems even the ANCIENT GREEKS were MORE advanced than the greatest muslim EVER!
"God's Laws are simple:..."
Your god is an idiot just like your idol, or were they the same?
NAME JUST1 PERSON WHO WAS OVER 50 WHO RAPED A CHILD OF 9?
CAN a 9 year old girl consent to have sex with anyone?
Do YOU get aroused when you look at a 9 year old girl?
Women's rights in islam are all wrong!
sirjambo 1 year ago
Idiotic sura [33:53] ...But GOD does not shy away from the truth. If you have to ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. You are not to hurt the messenger of GOD. You shall not marry his wives after him, for this would be a gross offense in the sight of GOD.
It seems like your idol and allah are the same person.
He was jealous and didn't want his wives to even see other men.
WOMEN in islam ARE POSSESSIONS just like animals.
sirjambo 1 year ago
Bukhari:V4B52N211 "I participated in a Ghazwa [raid] with the Prophet. I said, 'Apostle, I am a bridegroom.' He asked me whether I had married a virgin or matron. I answered, 'A matron.' He said, 'Why not a virgin who would have played with you? Then you could have played with her.' 'Apostle! My father was martyred and I have some young sisters, so I felt it not proper that I should marry a young girl as young as them.'"
So even a low life muslim has MORE and better morals than your idol.
sirjambo 1 year ago
It's so funny that you don't want to judge cultures from the past, yet you get your morals and ethics from this idiot of idiots.
A man who would not dare try and get another wife or slave when his 1st wife was alive because she had the power and the money.
And you have the nerve to say islam gave women rights.
Islam is for fools and idiots who can't think and just believe like you!
In islam what's up is down what's right is wrong. It is a bizzaro religion!
Actually it's cult of real stupidity!
sirjambo 1 year ago
To make this as simple as possible;
what would happen to your beloved idol TODAY if he tried any
of the things he did like raiding, stealing, raping, owning and selling slaves,
and let's not forget the killing?
Where do you think/believe he would be?
Even people in jail have better morals than momo and the ones that don't
convert to islam.
What a buffoon you turned out to be.
All the false bravado is nothing just like allah!
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
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You know what? I won't waste my time answering ur silly questions, because u obviously realized that u've got no stance and instead want to go on a tirade. Well... Two can play this game...
1- Lot having sex with his daughters: (Genesis 19:30-38)
2- Reuben (Jacob's firstborn son) having sex with his fathers wives: (Genesis 35:22 & 49:4)
3- It's okay to sleep with ur brothers wife: (Genesis 38:8-10)
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 Momo raping a child of 9 when he was over 50!
Momo killing, raiding, stealing, lying, means nothing to you because you can't judge by man-made standards as if there are other NON man made standards.
Just when you think that Muslims just CAN'T get any more stupid, they go and prove you wrong.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
TWO
4- Absolom raping his fathers wives in front of "all of Israel": (2 Samuel 16:21-22)
5- Amnon raping his half-sister: (2 Samuel 13:1-22)
6- Old man David, "getting some heat" from a "young virgin": (1 Kings 1:1-4)
7- Judah (allegedly the "nobelest" of the Children of Jacob) sleeping with a prostitute that turned out to be his daughter in law: (Genesis 38:27-28)
8- A beautiful prayer in about breasts: (Proverbs 5:19)
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1
Bukhari:V4B52N143 "The Prophet told an Ansar, 'Choose one of your slave boys to serve me in my expedition to Khaybar.' So, he chose me, even though I was just nearing puberty. I served Muhammad when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, 'Allah! I seek refuge with you from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men.'"
Was momo gay?
Man what a doofus you turned out to be!
sirjambo 1 year ago
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@sirjambo
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16- treatment of slaves??? (Exodus 21: 20-21)
17- Rape my daughters, but leave these guys alone (Genesis 19:1-8)
18- god had him by the balls: (Genesis 32:25)
19- Having girls is worse than having boys (Leviticus 12:1-8)
20- Women have to make sin offering for menstruating (Leviticus 15:29-30)
Tell me something sirjambo... how come u don't come to terms with these MAJOR issues in ur "holy book", yet u prefer to attempt to criticize ours???
hchsbp1 1 year ago
@hchsbp1 "Tell me something sirjambo... how come u don't come to terms with these MAJOR issues in ur "holy book", yet u prefer to attempt to criticize ours???"
You are without a doubt the stupidest muslim.
Congratulations you have even surpassed your idol in stupidity.
Now if only you can star raping 9 year old girls you will be know as the greatest muslim ever.
How can an idiot like you be wrong every time?
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while but you are beyond help.
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
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Today, what u have are man-made standards for marriage. That is why marriage age differs from country to country and even state to state.
By today's standards, what would u say if u saw a 96 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl? What would u call a god who comes out of a vagina? ( personally would call him a false god), but what about a 12 year old's vagina? A pedophile.
Like I said, christian hypocrite. Apply ur standards to ur own theology first...
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
@sirjambo
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See how rational of an answer this is? Ur judging by man-made standards. Yet, u claim to be a Christian. Why not judge by the standards set in ur holy book? How many wives did Solomon (as) have?
Next Question:
"Right hand possesses": Here is what the classical scholars say, because I know where u want to go with this. So rather than play along, I'll just cut u at the feet and remind u (once I'm done) to answer my questions:
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hchsbp1 1 year ago
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"Ur judging by man-made standards."
That's rational? Since when did you stop using man-made standards?
Do you BELIEVE that's when you became an idiot?
"Yet, u claim to be a Christian."
When did I make that claim?
Do you get tired of being wrong ALL the time or are you just used to it?
"...I'll just cut u at the feet ..."
Look idiot this is not the dark ages, LEARN something or anything before you start bragging and making claims you can NEVER back up!
sirjambo 1 year ago
@sirjambo
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Now, as for Al Tabari. This is in reference to Surah 4:34. First, this is discussing a very sensitive family issue. However, like everything else, physical contact has a limit. And in this case, all the classical Muslim scholars understood that "beat them" here meant that physical punishment for women cannot three taps on the shoulder.
This is an old trick of ur christian missionaries who prey on ignorant cowards like urself
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