He appeared to be coming in for the landing too fast! He was BOOKING! I used to be a student pilot back in the eighties and you had to come in at a slower speed. It also looks like he didn't flare all the way on the landing.
This *looks* like a student or a low-time pilot, or something like a Piper transition. Experienced pilots don't (maybe rarely) make this sort of landing error of a 3-point touchdown followed by PIO. I'm an instrument rated commercial pilot & made many errors while learning to land, which was training's most difficult task. Many pilots made too-shallow landings during training, it's not so uncommon. Just understand this before throwing mindless insults toward this accident.
I'm a trainee pilot and I find it hard to blame it on inexperiance.
From the first time you are being tought how to land your instructor learns you that maintaining the correct speed on approach and landing is THE key to a good and safe landing.
From the attitude of the nose you can clearly see he is comming in to fast and obviously to shallow.
@rodjames98 ive landed a pa28 and pa34 flapless plenty... not a problem. just adjust attitude and airspeed as required. i dont see how flap setting is a problem here. dare i say it, you sound like an arm chair expert :O
@ramboormark You can dare to say whatever you bloody well like. I have a ppl, and I was never taught to land an aircraft that way, You have obviously found a wonderful new way of doing things, please do not respond further because I am not impressed with your insults. thank you.
@rodjames98 i never said that i found a new way to land, did you read what i put? congrats on your ppl. i was just saying i dont think flap is an issue here. obviously the person landing screwed it up in a big way, possibly pushing the nose down is what caused this. But you should be aware that landings without the use of landing flap doesnt end like this with a competent pilot. get your instructor to talk you through it, its quite easy.
@ramboormark Look ! I don't have an instructor anymore, that was many years ago, I dont even do it anymore, cost wise its horrendous. I just told you what I was taught, and there I think I will leave it, thanks.
What we can see is that this aircraft is experiencing porpoising and/or pilot induced oscillation due to a poor initial attitude at touchdown. Standard procedure is typically to apply full power and to go-around after the second 'touch' or before. Airspeed CANNOT be inferred from this video - only GS--even if the speed were too high good technique could have rescued it. We are professional flight instructors (I have 8000+ hours) offering aviation apps and software at checkride[dot]com.
And for the trolls -- I am a pilot, I've owned a Cherokee 180 for the last 6 years, and hold a private rating in airplanes, and a commercial rating with instrument endorsement in helicopters.
Quite obviously the approach was too fast, and the pilot was trying to force the plane to the runway instead of holding the round out and flaring as the airspeed bled off. once the nose wheel bounced he should have gone around, Hell he should have gone around when he realized the approach was too fast. Also a three point landing is the proper technique in a tail dragger, not in a tricycle gear aircraft. you always land on the mains, as the nose strut is not designed to withstand landing forces.
I'm a pilot and honestly the three point landing has been accomplished many times by me and im sure by many others, speed was a factor here their was still a large amount of lift on the plane which can be seen every time he slams the nose back into the ground... if this is truly a emergency situation this guy was not well prepared this is his fault and the instructors fault because on a weekly bases with my instructor we train for these situations so they can be prevented
A "Three point landing" in an aircraft where such landings are not recommended by the POH/AFM is not an "accomplishment"--it's a mistake, as it places undue stress upon the nose gear. - Dauntless Aviation (checkride[dot]com) Flight Instructor, 8000+ hours instruction given.
I'm a pilot and honestly the three point landing has been accomplished many times by me and im sure by many others, speed was a factor here their was still a large amount of lift on the plane which can be seen every time he slams the nose back into the ground... if this is truly a emergency situation this guy was not well prepared this is his fault and the instructors fault because on a weekly bases with my instructor we train for these situations so they can be prevented
commercial pilot says: flying it down doesnt work..try letting the forces work for you next time...ps; indicated air speed works both ways.. whoever says airspeed here was correct for this approch needs to open up the poh more often.
One more thing.... I looked around for a wind sock but didn't see one... perhaps someone did... in addition to all the other mistakes this pilot made... it is entirely possible he was landing with the wind rather than into it.
This is a very inexperienced pilot at the controls. Approach speed way too high... and he has no understanding of what a Flare is. For the most part pilots are taught that you control your decent with power... and speed with your elevator control.... he simply flew the plane into the ground. Biggest mistake here was he didn't exercise the judgment to GO AROUND.
2 correct answers - If you are a testosterone cowboy PPL jockey - Try any of the suggested techinques to show just how good you really are to save the landing and maybe you won't crush the gear. everybody else, full throtle, go around after the second bounce when you recognize what is going on.
If that was indeed a student at the controls as some have commented then the instructor should simply not have allowed that situation to develop, if however he or she was fully licensed then I seriously question their competence and training.
mistake was not the flaps. Defiantly a pilot error. The description is a perfect explanation of the crash. pilot got thrown up 50 feet by a gust and tried to race back down to the runway. You can land a piper warrior through 35 knot gusts without flaps, would take a skilled pilot and probably a few go around's, but you have to be patient in those dangerous conditions with a flap malfunction. flaps had nothing to do with this crash.
Porpoise- Go Around. Never have done it, had a Avanti pilot almost do it on a rental check out. He applied full power and got the hell outa there. The mistake here was landing flat, then trying to salvage the landing.
Speed appeared to be a bit more then it should have been, not sure if flaps would have a made a difference with a three point landing. May have been better to have gone around and start over. Easy to Sunday QB with 16 seconds of video.
He wheelbarrowed the absolute shit out of that dakota
Kept it porpoising.. made no effort to burst a bit of power and reset the landing... (clearly plenty of runway remaining; but whilst on that point... why did he land with the downslope like that? surely the winds weren't that strong so that you couldn't have landed with the upslope)
Fatal error!
Nosewheel gives way... prop into the deck... hello warped engine, busted constant speed unit and a missing nosewheel, expensive mistake
this looks like they were trying to keep the front wheel on the ground when they should have let the back wheel touch firmly on the ground then put the nose down slowly
Every landing approach should begin at least ten-miles out. The pilot acts like he was driving a car, by approaching hot and overshooting the threshold. The porpoising was strictly do the over-control by an inexperienced pilot. His CFI must be really pissed-off.
@aviator147 Yup...Considering terminal forecasts; aircraft configuration; and time-in-type, the approach should have been planned 20 miles out. Sorry, my error. Ten miles was insufficient. For example, a Lake Tahoe approach and landing should be planned 50 miles out, considering wind conditions, traffic, total weight, and most importantly; density altitude.
Its a lesson everyone can learn: 2 year olds can make a better landing but theres always the odd one that goes wrong. Question is how do you react? Something similar happened to me in a warrior long time ago early in my training. I misjudged the flair, nosewheel bounced and I porpoised just like here. Very hard to get out of because reactions are behind the speed at which things happen and the sensation of bouncing that way is confusing. Difference is I put the power on and managed to fly away..
We are a professional flight training organization offering pilot training apps and software at checkride(dot)com. I am a 8000+ hour flight instructor. I can categorically state that your contention that "flap position is ... based on pilot preference" "pick which works best for you" is both dangerous and wrong, and, frankly, if you actually believe that, you should consider remedial training. Flap position affects runway used, approach speed, and approach attitude ...
... all of which are critical determinants as to the quality and, ultimately, succes or failure of a given approach. While it is true that pilots are routinely taught how to fly (shallower) no-flap approaches to both showe them the effects of flaps and to train them for flap failure contingencies, normal approaches should always be made using the recommendations of the POH/AFM which for almost all aircraft includes use of flaps to reduce approach speed to a safe minumum.
@sytec99 I apologize if i responded to the wrong person the first time around. I repeated my comments to the second person. Thank you for the correction and have fun flying!
i've got quite a few hours in a warrior actually one of my favorites to fly,looked to me he was way to fast and tried to force it to land.i cross the numbers around 65-70 in mine and it works well.also the wings on the warrior are a bit longer and they tend to want float a little more.
This pilot landed with excess airspeed and tried to push it onto the runway as soon by almost no angle of attack during flare. Never ever force a plane on the runway, a perfect landing is hearing the stall warning horn
This is called, porpoising.... It's a difficult to actually land in this situation, as you will always lagg behind the airplane trying to recover. Correct procedure is to maintain back pressure on the yoke if runway is still safely remaining try to re flare or go around.
That was a bad judgement call on the pilot. Now, if this was a mandatory landing (real engine failure) then although it wasnt smooth, its good that they made it down ok
He came in way to fast, and didn't flare at all. Almost looks like he's trying to push the nose down to prevent the plane from bouncing... Not a very good method!
How many of U are pilots? I’d say very few… Flap position is irrelevant here & based mainly on pilot preference when heavy winds arent present. I was taught with 10, 20 & 30 deg of flaps & told to "pick which works best for you & stick with it". Speed looked OK here but he looked way too flat resulting in a 3-point landing which induced porpoising. Should have either A) raise flaps & pull up to control the porpoising or B) full throttle & go around... I Wish it showed more of the approach
@csteimel47591 Agree with some of what you said but approach speed was way too fast for a flap landing. Had the pilot flared correctly at that approach speed he would have just gained height. So, horrible approach speed and then compouned the problem by trying to force the landing when it was very obviously all wrong. Agree, should have just aborted and setup for another attempt.
I am a student pilot working on my CPL and from my experience, flaps doesn't make a difference. When you bounce, (and then if uncorrected leads to porpoising) you initiate a go-around. They problem MAY be the pilot pushed the yoke forward rather than keeping it up to initiate a go-around. In short, I agree with you csteimel47591
@csteimel47591 I am a student pilot and could have def said the same thing some people think they know everything but your are completely correct!! THUMBS UP!
We are a professional flight training organization offering pilot training apps and software at checkride(dot)com. I am a 8000+ hour flight instructor. I can categorically state that your contention that "flap position is ... based on pilot preference" "pick which works best for you" is both dangerous and wrong, and, frankly, if you actually believe that, you should consider remedial training. Flap position affects runway used, approach speed, and approach ...
.. all of which are critical determinants as to the quality and, ultimately, succes or failure of an approach. While it is true that pilots are routinely taught how to fly (shallower) no-flap approaches to both show them the effects of flaps and to train them for flap failure contingencies, normal approaches should always be made using the recommendations of the POH/AFM which for almost all aircraft includes use of flaps to reduce approach speed to a safe minumum.
people he wasn't fast on the approach. he was low, then flared too high.
If you're fast on the approach with a pitch attitude like his, you would float down the runway. He flared up too high, (with little lift due to only 10* flaps and slow groundspeed), then fell back down quickly. Too quick for him to flare again, so by the time he did, he started bouncing. and then he was just one step behind each bounce and made each one worse
The good/bad effects of flaps on an aircraft are multiple Increase lift Increase drag More abrupt stall Lower stall speed Decrease climb rates Change pitch attitude Increase approach angle Change trim requirements Decrease distance to lift-off Far narrower aerodynamic stall range. The use/misuse of flaps is a judgment situation
So since none of you idiotic has been and wanna be pilots can agree on partial or full flap landings.Take it from an RAF fighter pilot,now a senior Air commodore age 42.Though i`ve flown mostly fighter jets, mainly Panavia Tornados and Harriers ,the use of flaps is variable depending on wind conditions,but below is a basic guide.This pilot should have aborted, way before he touched the runway for a 2nd approach.
Where did you people learn to fly? That is the classic 'wheelbarrow'. It requires zero throttle and fullback on the yoke given enough room. Otherwise just go around. What an idiot. Destruction of a perfectly good airplane by a moron.
i dont give two shits what plane freaks say im a pilot at 16 and evan i can land a flap-less approach better than this and if he was any kind of pilot he would of been tough to float it above the runway not fly it on
@tomthebigcool You must live in a different country then. That, or you illegally got a pilot certificate in the USA which means your instructor, DPE/ACI, and the FAA all missed that you were under the age of 17. Highly unlikely.
Looked like a partial flap landing. Partial flap landings are useless, and there is absolutely NO reason to do them besides for training. It's like skipping stones on water. Full flaps- steeper approach to landing, lower stall speed, easier to set aim point sight picture. Partial/no flaps- higher stall speed, lower approach, and proposing will occur just like skipping a stone across the water that you throw from your ankle vs, from your shoulder. Oh, most importantly.... GO AROUND!!!!
@EatMyPropwash The use of less than full flap landing configurations is perfectly normal, I use them all the time. They are used to give you more control during high wind situations. If you have ever noticed, when you are flaring with full flaps, the control surfaces are very ineffective and mushy, which can be bad if say, a gusting crosswind is kicking your ass.
@keithacoustic1 I see this as an instructor problem, though most instructors resist assuming any accountability. It is much easier to teach students to make partial flap landings because less precise airspeed and attitude is required. The partial flap landings are far more apt to result in nose-wheel first landings at a much higher ground-contact speed. A few such landings will lead to nose-wheel shimmy. Keep teaching improper procedures, though Mr. always right.
@EatMyPropwash whatever man, it is just as possible to be just as precise with airspeed and attitude in partial flap configurations. Yes he was fast but any rated pilot would have gone around, so this had to be a student. But having a CFI in the right seat sometimes is a false sense of security. Not all are always willing to take the controls of a situation if it becomes potentially disastrous. Ironically, the Citabria I was flying in my vids was totaled after a CFI failed to see and intervene.
WOW! Was this an uncontrolled FBO? Was he landing with the wind? That landing speed was way too fast. It looked like he only had 10° of flaps. He let the plane control the landing, and he should have pushed the nose down with more authority, or just pull up, go around and give it another try. Why do (some) pilots insist on pushing a bad situation? This guy was lucky enough to walk away! Just a bit poorer!
@MWolverine1969 ".....and he should have pushed the nose down with more authority....." Actually that is the absolute LAST thing you should do when you land. You never "push" the nose down. "Pushing" the nose down after bouncing is exactly what got him stuck in all those PIOs (Pilot Induced Oscillations) in the first place. The only way to correct a situation like this is to hold enough "back" pressure to keep a proper landing attitude. Never push the nose down to land.
He came in with only 10 degrees of flaps set. That's for take off. You need full flaps for landing! That's why he was too fast. Pilots say any landing you walk away from is a good one!?
@AV8R4088V i think landing speed is around 55 to 60... he would have been fine if he was in a saratoga or malibu...perfect example of trying to force a plane to land...now he could have got into the ground effects and held it off and hope the runway is long enough....the go around was best....
Not to mention that he was about 20 kts above Vsro.
Proper landing speed for an airplane V( feet per second) is determined from gross weight of the aircraft L ( pounds), the coefficient of lift C, and wing surface area S ( square feet)....the formula V=S*L/CS
According to the sound of the prop. The throttle was idle. And i think the Runway is faced down. the Speed must have increased and the pilot must have forgot to pull up the brake and i am sure he rammed the Plane down hanging and bang to the wheel.
wow... this is the worst landing ive ever seen. if the weather was ok and the aircraft didnt have any problem, the pilot must be an idiot. i dont understand at all why he or she didnt go around.
That's not a Warrior, the windows are squared off. It's apparently a Cherokee 235 according to the registration. One would think someone flying a high-performance airplane would at least know that basics, like what a landing flare is.
considering the flaps are at about 10 degrees, he's coming in very low and fast, and forward visibility likely was horrible (just missed that fence or whatever obstacle is there just before touching down), is it possible he dialed in some HEAVY nose-down trim to counter the lift he was generating due to flap setting and excessive speed?
well the the thing you did wrong was you kept puling the yok backwords and forward. when realy your supposed to keep it still and pull it stright back dummy
@funnystuff4545454545 Idiot. He was not pulling the yoke backward and forward. He was making a typical noob mistake of pushing forward to make the plane land, which was causing it to bounce. Learn something about flying before commenting.
Notes on 7-29-06: No wind shifts. No wind gusts. Max sustained wind was 6kts. Only clouds were @ 1200Z...cirrus. Airport Ele: 5561', Dens Alt from 0900Z-1100Z ranged from 6597 to 6819. Rwy 29--3855'. Pilot hrs: 95; In type: 35. Fence @ approach end of Rwy 29...just missed it!
@Relistener Correction: with the above values, the Dens Alt from 0900Z-1100Z ranged from 6636' to 6906'...if my interplation of known weather data from 0900Z-1200Z is reasonably accurate.
1. The descent profile was severe and speed too high
2. The aircraf was too low, much before the runway
3. The pilot throttled up too much and instead of a gradual power , seems like he threw the plane into full throttle. He didn't flare at , banged the plane on tarmac and kept doing that until he broke the gear
4. now so much was wrong now, how could have still saved the day by using controlled stall, which i am pretty sure he doesnt knows about lol.
Be confident with your control inputs, lead the plane and wait a second for the plane to react to your inputs, don't chase the controls and let the plane lead you
He did not flare and kept forward yoke pressure on the front wheel causing front strut to go into an endless bounce. He could of stopped the bounce by applying a bit of back pressure to relieve the front wheel pressure and the waiting for plane to reduce speed and settle down. You land on the rear wheels not the front.
Wind Shear from What? It looks like the weather is severe clear. Wind shear is caused by the downdraft from a thunderstorm. Unless he landed with a tailwind. He was way to fast and shallow on the approach. PILOT ERROR!!!!
GO AROUND DUDE LOL
maetar 2 days ago
He appeared to be coming in for the landing too fast! He was BOOKING! I used to be a student pilot back in the eighties and you had to come in at a slower speed. It also looks like he didn't flare all the way on the landing.
johnifly 4 days ago
Russians and their vodka
TinnInches 5 days ago
wow what an asshole
sjk757 5 days ago
This *looks* like a student or a low-time pilot, or something like a Piper transition. Experienced pilots don't (maybe rarely) make this sort of landing error of a 3-point touchdown followed by PIO. I'm an instrument rated commercial pilot & made many errors while learning to land, which was training's most difficult task. Many pilots made too-shallow landings during training, it's not so uncommon. Just understand this before throwing mindless insults toward this accident.
ProChoiceJesus 6 days ago
@ProChoiceJesus
Hi,
I'm a trainee pilot and I find it hard to blame it on inexperiance.
From the first time you are being tought how to land your instructor learns you that maintaining the correct speed on approach and landing is THE key to a good and safe landing.
From the attitude of the nose you can clearly see he is comming in to fast and obviously to shallow.
bongose 3 days ago
@ProChoiceJesus Start to bounce, the only way to get out of it is to go around.
Imagunnut 22 hours ago
there is a rule, if you bump once back in the air , then you now thats bad , second time , o real bad , third time you just G.A. right?
cba999casey 1 week ago
His airspeed was pretty high and the landing was quite flat.
skynut38 2 weeks ago
It was landing with take off flap.. ! speed was far too high, frankly its a wonder they managed to stop safely.
rodjames98 2 weeks ago
@rodjames98 ive landed a pa28 and pa34 flapless plenty... not a problem. just adjust attitude and airspeed as required. i dont see how flap setting is a problem here. dare i say it, you sound like an arm chair expert :O
ramboormark 2 weeks ago
@ramboormark You can dare to say whatever you bloody well like. I have a ppl, and I was never taught to land an aircraft that way, You have obviously found a wonderful new way of doing things, please do not respond further because I am not impressed with your insults. thank you.
rodjames98 2 weeks ago
@rodjames98 i never said that i found a new way to land, did you read what i put? congrats on your ppl. i was just saying i dont think flap is an issue here. obviously the person landing screwed it up in a big way, possibly pushing the nose down is what caused this. But you should be aware that landings without the use of landing flap doesnt end like this with a competent pilot. get your instructor to talk you through it, its quite easy.
ramboormark 2 weeks ago
@ramboormark Look ! I don't have an instructor anymore, that was many years ago, I dont even do it anymore, cost wise its horrendous. I just told you what I was taught, and there I think I will leave it, thanks.
rodjames98 2 weeks ago
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flexairz 1 week ago
you suck
lycoming333 2 weeks ago
is Foocket the name of the pilot?
arnaud1180 2 weeks ago
What we can see is that this aircraft is experiencing porpoising and/or pilot induced oscillation due to a poor initial attitude at touchdown. Standard procedure is typically to apply full power and to go-around after the second 'touch' or before. Airspeed CANNOT be inferred from this video - only GS--even if the speed were too high good technique could have rescued it. We are professional flight instructors (I have 8000+ hours) offering aviation apps and software at checkride[dot]com.
DauntlessAviation 3 weeks ago
And for the trolls -- I am a pilot, I've owned a Cherokee 180 for the last 6 years, and hold a private rating in airplanes, and a commercial rating with instrument endorsement in helicopters.
TomVaillencourt 3 weeks ago
Quite obviously the approach was too fast, and the pilot was trying to force the plane to the runway instead of holding the round out and flaring as the airspeed bled off. once the nose wheel bounced he should have gone around, Hell he should have gone around when he realized the approach was too fast. Also a three point landing is the proper technique in a tail dragger, not in a tricycle gear aircraft. you always land on the mains, as the nose strut is not designed to withstand landing forces.
TomVaillencourt 3 weeks ago
RE FLIGHT TRAINING
OFFSHORERACEING 3 weeks ago
I'm a pilot and honestly the three point landing has been accomplished many times by me and im sure by many others, speed was a factor here their was still a large amount of lift on the plane which can be seen every time he slams the nose back into the ground... if this is truly a emergency situation this guy was not well prepared this is his fault and the instructors fault because on a weekly bases with my instructor we train for these situations so they can be prevented
MegaFarmman 3 weeks ago
@MegaFarmman
A "Three point landing" in an aircraft where such landings are not recommended by the POH/AFM is not an "accomplishment"--it's a mistake, as it places undue stress upon the nose gear. - Dauntless Aviation (checkride[dot]com) Flight Instructor, 8000+ hours instruction given.
DauntlessAviation 3 weeks ago
I'm a pilot and honestly the three point landing has been accomplished many times by me and im sure by many others, speed was a factor here their was still a large amount of lift on the plane which can be seen every time he slams the nose back into the ground... if this is truly a emergency situation this guy was not well prepared this is his fault and the instructors fault because on a weekly bases with my instructor we train for these situations so they can be prevented
MegaFarmman 3 weeks ago
the pilots slogan "every landing you can walk away from, is a good landing!" :P but i think this guy did something wrong...
TheodorKK 4 weeks ago
Too fast on final.
CFIVeney 4 weeks ago
Looked like a possible tailwind landing and a newer pilot.
pheervegas 1 month ago
Dont crash overshoot... that is all
aircraftwiz 1 month ago
commercial pilot says: flying it down doesnt work..try letting the forces work for you next time...ps; indicated air speed works both ways.. whoever says airspeed here was correct for this approch needs to open up the poh more often.
epididamis 1 month ago
One more thing.... I looked around for a wind sock but didn't see one... perhaps someone did... in addition to all the other mistakes this pilot made... it is entirely possible he was landing with the wind rather than into it.
brmelez 1 month ago
This is a very inexperienced pilot at the controls. Approach speed way too high... and he has no understanding of what a Flare is. For the most part pilots are taught that you control your decent with power... and speed with your elevator control.... he simply flew the plane into the ground. Biggest mistake here was he didn't exercise the judgment to GO AROUND.
brmelez 1 month ago
2 correct answers - If you are a testosterone cowboy PPL jockey - Try any of the suggested techinques to show just how good you really are to save the landing and maybe you won't crush the gear. everybody else, full throtle, go around after the second bounce when you recognize what is going on.
gfpilot2002 1 month ago
If that was indeed a student at the controls as some have commented then the instructor should simply not have allowed that situation to develop, if however he or she was fully licensed then I seriously question their competence and training.
timber733 1 month ago
mistake was not the flaps. Defiantly a pilot error. The description is a perfect explanation of the crash. pilot got thrown up 50 feet by a gust and tried to race back down to the runway. You can land a piper warrior through 35 knot gusts without flaps, would take a skilled pilot and probably a few go around's, but you have to be patient in those dangerous conditions with a flap malfunction. flaps had nothing to do with this crash.
glippert07 1 month ago
just dare and go around ediot!!! your speed very high!
majali94 1 month ago
Porpoise- Go Around. Never have done it, had a Avanti pilot almost do it on a rental check out. He applied full power and got the hell outa there. The mistake here was landing flat, then trying to salvage the landing.
southaustinbrass101 1 month ago
Speed appeared to be a bit more then it should have been, not sure if flaps would have a made a difference with a three point landing. May have been better to have gone around and start over. Easy to Sunday QB with 16 seconds of video.
Hawaiian80882 1 month ago
Surely that was a student pilot.
MOFLYER 1 month ago
He wheelbarrowed the absolute shit out of that dakota
Kept it porpoising.. made no effort to burst a bit of power and reset the landing... (clearly plenty of runway remaining; but whilst on that point... why did he land with the downslope like that? surely the winds weren't that strong so that you couldn't have landed with the upslope)
Fatal error!
Nosewheel gives way... prop into the deck... hello warped engine, busted constant speed unit and a missing nosewheel, expensive mistake
colonelmushy 1 month ago
I didn't see the elevator move once. I'm thinking a control problem, not bad landing...
dany4kin 1 month ago
He tried to force the nose down. He came in way too fast.
Weefles 1 month ago
this looks like they were trying to keep the front wheel on the ground when they should have let the back wheel touch firmly on the ground then put the nose down slowly
TheNinjaRichie 1 month ago
poor piper
that must be a very expensive repair
Blazingspitfire 1 month ago
good example of a porpoise gone wrong. Full power on the second bounce and go around.
Blazingspitfire 1 month ago
Im a student pilot with only ten hours and that landing makes mine look incredible!
springfeild45 1 month ago
Actually it looked like he had following wind. And I don't mean gas from all that anxiety!
fortyninepages 1 month ago
He was either too short in the pattern had too much power of just simply stupid
50calider 1 month ago
GO AROUND!! woulda hurt your pride ALOT less
john198119811 1 month ago
Every landing approach should begin at least ten-miles out. The pilot acts like he was driving a car, by approaching hot and overshooting the threshold. The porpoising was strictly do the over-control by an inexperienced pilot. His CFI must be really pissed-off.
k00lkatt 1 month ago
@k00lkatt 10 miles out...are you serious? whata joke
aviator147 1 month ago
@aviator147 Yup...Considering terminal forecasts; aircraft configuration; and time-in-type, the approach should have been planned 20 miles out. Sorry, my error. Ten miles was insufficient. For example, a Lake Tahoe approach and landing should be planned 50 miles out, considering wind conditions, traffic, total weight, and most importantly; density altitude.
k00lkatt 1 month ago
@k00lkatt You aren't a pilot. Are you?
pressclick 1 month ago
@pressclick In a prior life...yes.
k00lkatt 1 month ago
physics!
Youbian 1 month ago
Are we sure that the pilot was even licensed in the first place?!
bg11215 1 month ago
Porpoise ! At first bounce FULL POWER & ROUND AGAIN what asack, can't remember 1st principles ! Bet that was expensive.
Rincypoopoo 2 months ago
Its a lesson everyone can learn: 2 year olds can make a better landing but theres always the odd one that goes wrong. Question is how do you react? Something similar happened to me in a warrior long time ago early in my training. I misjudged the flair, nosewheel bounced and I porpoised just like here. Very hard to get out of because reactions are behind the speed at which things happen and the sensation of bouncing that way is confusing. Difference is I put the power on and managed to fly away..
unlikelyadventure 2 months ago
Fooket xD
sytec99 2 months ago 22
@sytec99 Wrong!!!! Speed was way too high,,,The plane was no where done flying..Landing is done with THE NOSE UP not down...JEFFY
4881828 3 weeks ago
@4881828 what the fuuck are you talkin' about??? xD
sytec99 3 weeks ago
@sytec99
We are a professional flight training organization offering pilot training apps and software at checkride(dot)com. I am a 8000+ hour flight instructor. I can categorically state that your contention that "flap position is ... based on pilot preference" "pick which works best for you" is both dangerous and wrong, and, frankly, if you actually believe that, you should consider remedial training. Flap position affects runway used, approach speed, and approach attitude ...
DauntlessAviation 3 weeks ago
@sytec99
... all of which are critical determinants as to the quality and, ultimately, succes or failure of a given approach. While it is true that pilots are routinely taught how to fly (shallower) no-flap approaches to both showe them the effects of flaps and to train them for flap failure contingencies, normal approaches should always be made using the recommendations of the POH/AFM which for almost all aircraft includes use of flaps to reduce approach speed to a safe minumum.
DauntlessAviation 3 weeks ago
@DauntlessAviation true true, but uhm why are you telling me this? I just wrote fooket because it sounded funny thats why there is a --->> xD
i think you misunderstood me..
sytec99 3 weeks ago
@sytec99 I apologize if i responded to the wrong person the first time around. I repeated my comments to the second person. Thank you for the correction and have fun flying!
DauntlessAviation 3 weeks ago
I feel for the pilot. A costly set of errors. One we can all learn from...
jetrider2254 2 months ago
i've got quite a few hours in a warrior actually one of my favorites to fly,looked to me he was way to fast and tried to force it to land.i cross the numbers around 65-70 in mine and it works well.also the wings on the warrior are a bit longer and they tend to want float a little more.
AV8R4088V 2 months ago
noise up full gas go around . not break at that speed
kz4506 2 months ago
For all you big pilots!! TRIM!!!!!!!
FerryPilot33 2 months ago
Full gas and go-around.
cichy1970 2 months ago
Shit happens...
cichy1970 2 months ago
he's probably still in Flight School
mastervictor123 2 months ago
Landed downwind and a bit too fast? Perhaps use more flaps?
ferrarif40owner 2 months ago
pull back and apply power and this could have been avoided
wyattkmk4life 2 months ago
MISTAKE #1 TOO FAST #2 TOO SHALLOW #3-PORPOISING ...A GO AROUND WAS THE BEST CHOICE...
VENALAFUENTE 2 months ago
That's terrible.
Infinitez109 2 months ago
This pilot landed with excess airspeed and tried to push it onto the runway as soon by almost no angle of attack during flare. Never ever force a plane on the runway, a perfect landing is hearing the stall warning horn
BretMeister 2 months ago
This is called, porpoising.... It's a difficult to actually land in this situation, as you will always lagg behind the airplane trying to recover. Correct procedure is to maintain back pressure on the yoke if runway is still safely remaining try to re flare or go around.
BretMeister 2 months ago
Reminds me of my old instructor's favorite words of advice "Don't Crash overshoot"... wise man
aircraftwiz 2 months ago
on the second bounce i would've put full throttle
That was a bad judgement call on the pilot. Now, if this was a mandatory landing (real engine failure) then although it wasnt smooth, its good that they made it down ok
remas14 2 months ago
trim tab let go I'd say....
jimmy34101 2 months ago
Well now its down....
Drubbs 2 months ago
muito manicaca
Formehl 2 months ago
He came in way to fast, and didn't flare at all. Almost looks like he's trying to push the nose down to prevent the plane from bouncing... Not a very good method!
YoungPilot350 2 months ago
@YoungPilot350 You got it! all he had to do is pull a little and have a small nose up and he would have been just fine...
cmoiduro1 2 months ago
Destructive engine sounds at 0:10-0:11.....Ouch!
av8rdavid2003 2 months ago
omg, that approach is way too low! and he did a 3point touch down
tjampe 2 months ago
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tjampe 2 months ago
Bethlehem It's israel no?
zohar3998 2 months ago
How many of U are pilots? I’d say very few… Flap position is irrelevant here & based mainly on pilot preference when heavy winds arent present. I was taught with 10, 20 & 30 deg of flaps & told to "pick which works best for you & stick with it". Speed looked OK here but he looked way too flat resulting in a 3-point landing which induced porpoising. Should have either A) raise flaps & pull up to control the porpoising or B) full throttle & go around... I Wish it showed more of the approach
csteimel47591 2 months ago 8
@csteimel47591 Agree with some of what you said but approach speed was way too fast for a flap landing. Had the pilot flared correctly at that approach speed he would have just gained height. So, horrible approach speed and then compouned the problem by trying to force the landing when it was very obviously all wrong. Agree, should have just aborted and setup for another attempt.
And yes, I am a pilot.
darrindwp 1 month ago
@csteimel47591
I am a student pilot working on my CPL and from my experience, flaps doesn't make a difference. When you bounce, (and then if uncorrected leads to porpoising) you initiate a go-around. They problem MAY be the pilot pushed the yoke forward rather than keeping it up to initiate a go-around. In short, I agree with you csteimel47591
redsuns03 1 month ago
@csteimel47591 I am a student pilot and could have def said the same thing some people think they know everything but your are completely correct!! THUMBS UP!
mayorkory 4 weeks ago
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@csteimel47591
We are a professional flight training organization offering pilot training apps and software at checkride(dot)com. I am a 8000+ hour flight instructor. I can categorically state that your contention that "flap position is ... based on pilot preference" "pick which works best for you" is both dangerous and wrong, and, frankly, if you actually believe that, you should consider remedial training. Flap position affects runway used, approach speed, and approach ...
DauntlessAviation 3 weeks ago
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@csteimel47591
.. all of which are critical determinants as to the quality and, ultimately, succes or failure of an approach. While it is true that pilots are routinely taught how to fly (shallower) no-flap approaches to both show them the effects of flaps and to train them for flap failure contingencies, normal approaches should always be made using the recommendations of the POH/AFM which for almost all aircraft includes use of flaps to reduce approach speed to a safe minumum.
DauntlessAviation 3 weeks ago
I read somewhere that he was with a CFI. Is that true?
MetaView7 3 months ago
people he wasn't fast on the approach. he was low, then flared too high.
If you're fast on the approach with a pitch attitude like his, you would float down the runway. He flared up too high, (with little lift due to only 10* flaps and slow groundspeed), then fell back down quickly. Too quick for him to flare again, so by the time he did, he started bouncing. and then he was just one step behind each bounce and made each one worse
joshuaspolar 3 months ago
Wtf was he trying to force it down on the runway?
ModernMinuteMan 3 months ago
Lol, I love the accident report:
Probable Cause
The nose gear of the aircraft collapsed after landing. (shit landing)
Contributory Factors:
The pilot landed the aircraft in wind shear conditions (shit pilot)
Neutrinoghost 3 months ago
Very fast on the approach, only 1 stage of flap by the look of it. Exceptionally bad pilot. Landing with a tail wind maybe?
Neutrinoghost 3 months ago
Flap Effects
The good/bad effects of flaps on an aircraft are multiple Increase lift Increase drag More abrupt stall Lower stall speed Decrease climb rates Change pitch attitude Increase approach angle Change trim requirements Decrease distance to lift-off Far narrower aerodynamic stall range. The use/misuse of flaps is a judgment situation
coolandmellow 3 months ago
So since none of you idiotic has been and wanna be pilots can agree on partial or full flap landings.Take it from an RAF fighter pilot,now a senior Air commodore age 42.Though i`ve flown mostly fighter jets, mainly Panavia Tornados and Harriers ,the use of flaps is variable depending on wind conditions,but below is a basic guide.This pilot should have aborted, way before he touched the runway for a 2nd approach.
coolandmellow 3 months ago
Go around...
jvalentif 3 months ago
He came in too fast and not enough flaps. A very expensive lesson was learned that day. The instructor should be sacked and his licence torn up.
parcelmate 3 months ago
@parcelmate and let the nose wheel hit.
thresher4 3 months ago
I'm not a pilot but I think I would have pulled up and tried it again if I was able to
rturpening 3 months ago
Where did you people learn to fly? That is the classic 'wheelbarrow'. It requires zero throttle and fullback on the yoke given enough room. Otherwise just go around. What an idiot. Destruction of a perfectly good airplane by a moron.
dickandchristina 3 months ago
i dont give two shits what plane freaks say im a pilot at 16 and evan i can land a flap-less approach better than this and if he was any kind of pilot he would of been tough to float it above the runway not fly it on
tomthebigcool 3 months ago
@tomthebigcool haha i'm 16 too, and thinking the same thing.
novsierra 3 months ago
@tomthebigcool hahahahaha I'm 8 and I land 747's for a living :) learn to spell kiddie
hzhenrik 3 months ago
@hzhenrik sorry man im dislexic.......
tomthebigcool 3 months ago
@tomthebigcool You must live in a different country then. That, or you illegally got a pilot certificate in the USA which means your instructor, DPE/ACI, and the FAA all missed that you were under the age of 17. Highly unlikely.
EatMyPropwash 3 months ago
@EatMyPropwash noop in the uk we can fly solo at 16 and we can get our full licence at 17 :)
tomthebigcool 3 months ago
Looked like a partial flap landing. Partial flap landings are useless, and there is absolutely NO reason to do them besides for training. It's like skipping stones on water. Full flaps- steeper approach to landing, lower stall speed, easier to set aim point sight picture. Partial/no flaps- higher stall speed, lower approach, and proposing will occur just like skipping a stone across the water that you throw from your ankle vs, from your shoulder. Oh, most importantly.... GO AROUND!!!!
EatMyPropwash 3 months ago
@EatMyPropwash The use of less than full flap landing configurations is perfectly normal, I use them all the time. They are used to give you more control during high wind situations. If you have ever noticed, when you are flaring with full flaps, the control surfaces are very ineffective and mushy, which can be bad if say, a gusting crosswind is kicking your ass.
keithacoustic1 3 months ago
@keithacoustic1 I see this as an instructor problem, though most instructors resist assuming any accountability. It is much easier to teach students to make partial flap landings because less precise airspeed and attitude is required. The partial flap landings are far more apt to result in nose-wheel first landings at a much higher ground-contact speed. A few such landings will lead to nose-wheel shimmy. Keep teaching improper procedures, though Mr. always right.
EatMyPropwash 3 months ago
@EatMyPropwash whatever man, it is just as possible to be just as precise with airspeed and attitude in partial flap configurations. Yes he was fast but any rated pilot would have gone around, so this had to be a student. But having a CFI in the right seat sometimes is a false sense of security. Not all are always willing to take the controls of a situation if it becomes potentially disastrous. Ironically, the Citabria I was flying in my vids was totaled after a CFI failed to see and intervene.
keithacoustic1 3 months ago
WOW! Was this an uncontrolled FBO? Was he landing with the wind? That landing speed was way too fast. It looked like he only had 10° of flaps. He let the plane control the landing, and he should have pushed the nose down with more authority, or just pull up, go around and give it another try. Why do (some) pilots insist on pushing a bad situation? This guy was lucky enough to walk away! Just a bit poorer!
MWolverine1969 3 months ago
@MWolverine1969 ".....and he should have pushed the nose down with more authority....." Actually that is the absolute LAST thing you should do when you land. You never "push" the nose down. "Pushing" the nose down after bouncing is exactly what got him stuck in all those PIOs (Pilot Induced Oscillations) in the first place. The only way to correct a situation like this is to hold enough "back" pressure to keep a proper landing attitude. Never push the nose down to land.
SkylaneCaptain 3 months ago
ehhh just bury the nose down that'll stop her
flyinhigh422 3 months ago
He came in with only 10 degrees of flaps set. That's for take off. You need full flaps for landing! That's why he was too fast. Pilots say any landing you walk away from is a good one!?
mckx5 4 months ago
Whoever GAVE him is his license should be shot.
JJERSE 4 months ago
Trim much? O.o
999lifegoes 4 months ago
Too fast! No stall. Only an idiot would land like that.
GutpileCharlie 4 months ago
o q leva o piloto a fazer isso?
keusonfs 4 months ago
probably in a hurry to get on the ground before she shit her pants
chickensnake1 4 months ago
tailwind
dolcesymphony 4 months ago
How fast was this dude going?! Looked like 110kts or something.
plsniper 4 months ago
@HawkABillySwan LMAO!!!
plsniper 4 months ago
should have added power to smooth it out. O well better luck next time....
joulian0720 4 months ago
Alright johhny, ima count those as 8 landings!
tinyman12323 4 months ago
PIO sucks
parhamont1 4 months ago
don't let little kids fly
fsx767 4 months ago
definitely looked fast upon touchdown...and if you start bouncing, go the F around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jrhurt76 4 months ago 12
LMAO
mikhailmyers1 4 months ago
can somebody say GO-AROUND?
AV8R4088V 4 months ago 18
@AV8R4088V Well said!
deniseaustinlover 4 months ago
@AV8R4088V
They did, Fook it means go around in their language HAHA
mybad67 2 months ago
@AV8R4088V i think landing speed is around 55 to 60... he would have been fine if he was in a saratoga or malibu...perfect example of trying to force a plane to land...now he could have got into the ground effects and held it off and hope the runway is long enough....the go around was best....
inbound1000 2 months ago
fook it!!! lmfao!!!!!
kade6 4 months ago
The old "crow hop" watched a cardinal pilot do this
midnav 4 months ago
He kept the power on WAY too long.
Not to mention that he was about 20 kts above Vsro.
Proper landing speed for an airplane V( feet per second) is determined from gross weight of the aircraft L ( pounds), the coefficient of lift C, and wing surface area S ( square feet)....the formula V=S*L/CS
hammerogod 4 months ago
NO NO NO IT FOOKET!!!
XD
3dssucks 4 months ago
Going WAY too fast...should have gone around with his CFI a dozen more times
Itty8286 5 months ago
Easing BACK on the yoke instead of shoving forward may have worked better! Must have been a rental!
ReduceGHGs 5 months ago
Dumb ass
MrWilson3211 5 months ago
According to the sound of the prop. The throttle was idle. And i think the Runway is faced down. the Speed must have increased and the pilot must have forgot to pull up the brake and i am sure he rammed the Plane down hanging and bang to the wheel.
ThelastSano 5 months ago
you see the gear bouncing on the runway lol
ihateschool547 5 months ago
HOW GIVE A PILOT LICENCE TO HIM ? :S
Fherdinando12 5 months ago
wow... this is the worst landing ive ever seen. if the weather was ok and the aircraft didnt have any problem, the pilot must be an idiot. i dont understand at all why he or she didnt go around.
mohiJr 5 months ago
That's not a Warrior, the windows are squared off. It's apparently a Cherokee 235 according to the registration. One would think someone flying a high-performance airplane would at least know that basics, like what a landing flare is.
dmspilot 5 months ago
considering the flaps are at about 10 degrees, he's coming in very low and fast, and forward visibility likely was horrible (just missed that fence or whatever obstacle is there just before touching down), is it possible he dialed in some HEAVY nose-down trim to counter the lift he was generating due to flap setting and excessive speed?
Relistener 5 months ago
Who the fuck taught that moron to fly? Or should I say crash?
falcondriver100 5 months ago
well the the thing you did wrong was you kept puling the yok backwords and forward. when realy your supposed to keep it still and pull it stright back dummy
funnystuff4545454545 5 months ago
@funnystuff4545454545 Idiot. He was not pulling the yoke backward and forward. He was making a typical noob mistake of pushing forward to make the plane land, which was causing it to bounce. Learn something about flying before commenting.
PhrynosomaTexas 5 months ago
Where did the windshear come from?
FABM 7-29-06 Wx:
0900Z 28503 19SM SKC 18/M02 A3047
1000Z 28504 19SM SKC 19/M04 A3042...Alt Interpolated
1100Z 29005 19SM SKC 20/M06 A3041...Alt Interpolated
Notes on 7-29-06: No wind shifts. No wind gusts. Max sustained wind was 6kts. Only clouds were @ 1200Z...cirrus. Airport Ele: 5561', Dens Alt from 0900Z-1100Z ranged from 6597 to 6819. Rwy 29--3855'. Pilot hrs: 95; In type: 35. Fence @ approach end of Rwy 29...just missed it!
Relistener 5 months ago
@Relistener Correction: with the above values, the Dens Alt from 0900Z-1100Z ranged from 6636' to 6906'...if my interplation of known weather data from 0900Z-1200Z is reasonably accurate.
Relistener 5 months ago
Go-around next time....schmuck
jewbagel987 6 months ago
FOOKET MEANS FUCK IT GUYS, im a genius man.
AlevliTurkGs 6 months ago 2
Approach speed was waaay too high.
MrDiesel6 6 months ago
Too fast! It looks like he was trying to force it on the ground.
cloudkissr 6 months ago
1. The descent profile was severe and speed too high
2. The aircraf was too low, much before the runway
3. The pilot throttled up too much and instead of a gradual power , seems like he threw the plane into full throttle. He didn't flare at , banged the plane on tarmac and kept doing that until he broke the gear
4. now so much was wrong now, how could have still saved the day by using controlled stall, which i am pretty sure he doesnt knows about lol.
5. he got his licensed revoked. FAIL!
ssaaqquuiibb 6 months ago
@ssaaqquuiibb You're a noobie pilot, quit acting like you know how to fly
gypsykingg 6 months ago
@gypsykingg actually i am a pilot bro currently instructing at helipro nz.
ssaaqquuiibb 6 months ago
Dumbass. I can land that thing only as if it were on an aircraft carrier deck and I'm only 16.
RADIOACTIVEBUNY 6 months ago
Be confident with your control inputs, lead the plane and wait a second for the plane to react to your inputs, don't chase the controls and let the plane lead you
dustziggy 6 months ago
Wheelbarrowing = Pilot Error
donna7179 6 months ago
He did not flare and kept forward yoke pressure on the front wheel causing front strut to go into an endless bounce. He could of stopped the bounce by applying a bit of back pressure to relieve the front wheel pressure and the waiting for plane to reduce speed and settle down. You land on the rear wheels not the front.
rsemper 6 months ago
@rsemper Agreed. Looked like he came in too fast and failed to flare.
deniseaustinlover 4 months ago
stoopid
cashpoboy 6 months ago in playlist Airplane
Wind Shear from What? It looks like the weather is severe clear. Wind shear is caused by the downdraft from a thunderstorm. Unless he landed with a tailwind. He was way to fast and shallow on the approach. PILOT ERROR!!!!
TaxfreeSVT 6 months ago
That's what happens when you land thinking your plane is an F18...
Marcoli5 6 months ago
that was PIO. bummer.
robertl30 7 months ago