Any person that thinks that Social Security, Medicare, the FHA, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or just about any other Federal social program has worked needs to buy some books and do some homework. Those programs/agencies will cease to exist in the upcoming decades because it is mathematically impossible for them to continue to exist. That's just a fact of life that everyone needs to get used to. We can BARELY pay our bills at a ZERO% interest rate. What do you think will happen when rates go up?
Any and all services provided by the US government are the pinnacle of inadequate failures. Government employees are unionized and are not motivated to serve the customer. Virtually every federal program is bankrupt and the service is HORRIBLE.
In a free society there are certain responsibilities. I have yet to meet a single person, in my entire life, who could not get necessary health care. PERIOD.
There are already a million state, local and federal programs for health care.
so life is a right given by your imaginary god but protecting that is not a right? so why do we have police or the fire department? why not let them be privatized and charge people for protecting them? why not have a police insurance? instead of comparing USA to cuba or north korea look at the models that have worked in germany, norway, england, france... top of the line healthcare with good economies. USA currently ranks 37th in healthcare quality around the world. how sad is that?
Using your logic (or lack thereof) the government should make sure that every citizen has all SERVICES and PRODUCTS that are necessary to live. That would include health care, Dental work, Food, Shelter, Clothing and an Education....oh....and I forgot a pension for retirement. "Police insurance?????? are you kidding me??
Police are put in place to make sure that another person doesn't kill you or steal from you.....not to give you free cough syrup.
Europe is on the verge of an economic meltdown as a result of their social spending. Greece is on the verge of a civil war. Italy, Portugal and Spain aren't far behind. France and UK are next. My personal ranking of the US healthcare system is number 1. I have friends in france that want to come here just to GET OUT OF THEIR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. Their personal stories are much more compelling than your "ranking" They HATE the system......to put it simply
@FreeTheNation may i ask what you consider in ranking the healthcare of whole entire countries and how you are able to do this? CANADA, AUSTRALIA, CHINA, UK, NORWAY, SWEDEN, DENMARK, GERMANY all have strong economies AND universal healthcare.those countries you listed have ALWAYS had volatile economies because they have no solid foundations. social spending does not cause an economic meltdown, usually economies slow down due to greed, deceit, and immoral business practices just like wall street
I wouldn't ever want to live in those countries. They don't have the same constitutional rights that we have. The US economy has been destroyed by government and government only. The housing crisis was caused by government tinkering. Ron Paul warned congress in 2003 that they were going to cause a meltdown with their activist policies. It's well documented. The debt and deficts caused by the MASSIVE social spending have caused a disaster and it WILL get worse.
@FreeTheNation my friend we are both americans and i assume we are no millionaires but think of the 40 million people in this country that can't even go to a hospital for a yearly checkup. the world health organization is a respected organization that lists yearly rankings of countries based on the QUALITY and AVAILABILITY of healthcare. USA spends way too much money on healthcare which means insurance companies charge you way too much for the services you get. i hope you understand.
The "US" shouldn't be spending ANYTHING on healthcare, education, shelter....That's why THOSE THINGS are prohibited by the Constitution. That type of collectivism is socialism/communism...The founders knew this from their intensive research. That's precisely why the Constitution was written.....to keep the FEDS out of every aspect of our lives other than the 17 enumerated powers. Only a fool could think that ANY federal program has succeeded. OPEN YOUR EYES, MAN.
@FreeTheNation the founding fathers never did any such research. they just wanted to escape abuse from UK. back then collectivist socialism did not even exist, they wouldn't even know about it. government is in every aspect of your life if you like it or not. why do you trust corporations over the government that have no motives to make any money? all i am saying is that USA can be a lot more efficient when it comes to healthcare and playing stock games with peoples well being is just immoral.
This is your problem sir....a poor education. The founding fathers absolutely researched ALL forms of government and monetary systems in the history of the world. Jefferson studied the foreign works in the original languages, as he was fluent in at least 6. The founders studied every civilization going back as far as written records were available....The Roman Empire, The Greek Empire, Egypt....the entire can of worms.
@FreeTheNation give me one example of a socialist nation in the 1700s and before :D i have an amazing education, i will graduate from UVA with economics/engineering :D why is it that only the US lacks universal healthcare in the modern world vs other advanced countries. name one developed nation that doesn't have universal healthcare. then you must think is it the cost or is it corporate greed that wont change this? i believe it is corporate greed because they have too much to lose.
@FreeTheNation healthcare shouldnt be something that we use the "free market" to solve. its a basic human right...i think Jesus would agree with me on that.
Only the rich deserve healthcare. Sick of poor people trying to stay alive with medicine. Fuck em. They should all suffer and die. Nothing is a right. The winner takes all. I cant wait until corporations enslave me rather than the evil govt.
I have created jobs and continue to create jobs. The progressive income tax, which I am most certain you support based on your zeal and jealousy of the so called "rich", is the 2nd plank in the Ten Planks of Communism as written in the Communist Manifesto. I'm sure you know that, right??
If you want to live under the rule of Socialism or Communism, I suggest you move to countries like that. We here in America have a heritage of being FREE from the tyranny of people like you
There is honor in all forms of work. However, you can't possibly understand what's involved in creating jobs if you have never done it. You can't write about wine without ever having the experience of tasting it. That explains why you know so little about the History of our nation, the foundations of personal Liberty, the constitution, the declaration and the history of law. You don't care to know. You would rather be ENVIOUS of the people who have achieved more than you
They came here for the NATURAL RIGHTS that were written in the Declaration......for the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.... The KEY WORD - PURSUIT. What Franklin meant by that when he asked Jefferson to change it was this......TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO SUCCEED OR TO FAIL ON YOUR OWN with LITTLE OR NO INTERFERENCE FROM GOVERNMENT. They came here to experience the RULE OF LAW....which I'm guessing you never studied. The purpose of law is to INCREASE LIBERTY and to PROTECT PRIVATE PROPERTY
I'm not going to respond in kind by calling you a name. That act violates the policies of my channel, but I will leave your comment up to make an articulate reply. First of all, my family DID come here for only ONE reason....and it's the same reason that millions flocked here from all over the world. It was not for free health care and it was not for ANY type of govt Social Services. They came here to BE LEFT ALONE and TO HAVE THE LIBERTY TO RUN THEIR OWN LIVES.
Well, then let's just let people die, let's not give health insurance to people with preexisiting conditions,let's not feed and clothe abandoned children, let's not use ambulances to help old ladies who fall in the street. Let's just give tax cuts to the rich! Rich people should have the right to buy 23 Lexuses. This is exactly why many Americans are viewed in the world as selfish and uncaring!
OK Ladies and Gentlemen - Here you have it..... The exposed nerve of progressive lunacy. There's so much here, it's hard to know where to start.
Let's start with a fact. You don't own any other person.....rich or otherwise. Therefore, it's none of your business how much money they have and how many cars they buy. I would venture to guess that most of the "rich" people whom you despise so much have done more for their fellow man in a week than you have in your life. (cont)
I don't own anyone, very true. But I think the fact that even if one person dies because they don't have health care, that's a tragedy. I don't hate rich people, I just want them to help those who are not able to obtain health care thru their jobs or thru any other means. I never claimed that rich people don't help people. If I had their money, I would help too. You are going off course here dude.
Next: There are already DOZENS of STATE plans in place to help poor children and little old ladies.
Third - Necessary medical care to save a life may not be denied by a hospital, regardless of insurance.
Fourth - There are human problems that exist that the US Govt can't solve. There are HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of people suffering all over the globe. It is not the role, either morally or Legally, for the US FEDERAL govt to solve the problems of the world.
If there are "dozens" of "state" plans, why is it that people are without health care... even those who work 2 or 3 jobs? Not talking about the "world"... I'm talking about your fellow Americans. Why can't you see that? Very easy to understand. Why do other countries get it?
This implies that it is MY responsibility to solve everyone's problems. That's not part of the role of government. The role of government is to secure liberty and to protect private property. There are 17 enumerated powers that were given to the central government, and this is not one of them. The system that DOES take care of people in the manner you prefer is called SOCIALISM or COMMUNISM. That system is unconstitutional in the US
That's absolutely false. Social Security, unemployment benefits, Medicaid, Medicare, Veteran's benefits, the GI bill etc. are all SOCIALIST programs. There is NO such thing as a purely capitalistic society (thank God). So your argument is totally baseless.
Social Security was supposed to be a federally managed retirement pension plan that was SUPPOSED to be VOLUNTARY. Please read your history sir. Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government authorized to run a retirement pension plan. Furthermore, it is both illegal and immoral to FORCE private and free citizens to participate. These public SCAMS were all used on the Romans and other ancient cultures. The founding fathers ATTEMPTED to PREVENT such scams.
That's why social security will not continue much longer. WHY?? It's collectivism. The founders set this country up to be based on MERIT OF THE INDIVIDUAL. NEVER did they have in mind the notion that a federal government could use the threat of VIOLENCE against one group of people to support another. Actually, if you read any history, you would see that this was the PRECISE thing they set out to prevent.
All of those programs are Unconstitutional. that's a fact
Well, I sure hope the Republicans run on a platform of abolishing Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment, Veteran's benefits etc. You know why? Because then we will have a Democrat in the White House for a VEEEEEEEEEEEEERY long time LOL.
Why do all extremely liberal progressives assume that anyone who disagrees with them supports the Republican party?? If you did some basic homework, you would understand that these programs will be ending....either at the hands of a politician or at the hands of mathematics. What you see in wisconsin is just the beginning of the big wake up call to Americans that the promises that were made can not possibly be honored.
Why? Because it's true. I can bet my house and car that you vote Republican ALL the time. Secondly, the wakeup call is going to be the people getting tired of austerity measures knifing the middle class and not the rich.
And you would lose your house. I voted for people you probably never heard of, last election....the Libertarian party. If you took the time to actually read about me, you would learn that the slogan of my ENTIRE SITE is "END THE TWO PARTY DICTATORSHIP." If you watched the first few seconds of the video interview on my home page with economist Robert Prechter, you would find that I am an ARDENT opponent to the big government, NEOCONS in the republican party
Fifth - The system that you desire is known as collectivism. The govt structures that use collectivism are National Socialists, Marxists, Communists and a variety of slants on all of the above. Throughout History, Governments based on Collectivism have always failed, have always collaspsed and have always resulted in Tyranny and suffering. We live in a free society. There are many free market solutions to many of the problems.
Neither is Iran. That doesnt' mean that their system of government is the same as ours. Our system is a democratic republic, which is quite different than all of those other countries. You DO know the difference.....right???
There is NO WAY to protect every person while still retaining LIBERTY of the individual. People from all over the world flocked to America from the failed Collective governments of the past so they could seek out FREEDOM and LIBERTY. Phillip is a marxist who believes that we should all make the amount of money and have the style of life that HE thinks is acceptable. How many Jobs has Phillip ever Created?????
I would think that things such as food, and healthcare, in a truly developed and civilized society would be considered rights. Surely every person should be entitled to the necessities of life
Maybe I need to watch part 2, but I can't give credibility to anyone when he invites 3 guests which all agree on the same matter, it's a little absurd.
And to my understanding, I've never paid for another's health care, I've paid a government initiative to provide for a universal system that provides people with protection from all sorts of illnesses, isn't that an investment ?
What it seems to me that some folk don't get is that people don't ask for cancer, they just get it.
Credibility should have nothing to do with anything by the facts. The point of the debate is that healthcare is not a right. Healthcare is a SERVICE that you BUY. Nobody has the right to healthcare, food, shelter, clothes, car insurance, transportation.....We have the right to keep our LIFE safe from murder, our LIBERTY safe from confinement and to PURSUE whatever means makes us happy in life.
I'm sorry, but nowhere on this earth will it be reasonable that a legitimate discussion is made by debaters who agree, from the beginning (sp), on the same topic, where's the debate in that ? And how exactly is healthcare not being a right "a fact" ?
And the "food, shelter, clothes, etc." comparison is simply not accurate, you don't choose when to get cancer, and most of the time you're not in a financially good position to solve that problem.
So you are saying if Three people all agree that raping young girls is a crime and they debate the laws governing that crime, that it's not a legitmate point of view??
@FreeTheNation It wouldn't be debate, it would be conversation, in a debate there are arguments and counter-arguments, discussion obligatorily encompasses (sp) different opinions and different points of view, furthermore, a debate generally focuses on topics which aren't resolved, which haven't got a reasonable conclussion, like "Is Healthcare a right or good?", not "Underage Female Rape", I mean no offense but objectivists can't pretend something is a fact because their reason tells them it is.
@FreeTheNation So you are saying if Three people all agree that raping young girls is not a crime and they debate the laws governing that crime, that it's not a legitmate point of view??
its your right to pay for your own healthcare with your own money.....its not your right to use the government to extort my money to pay for goods used by someone else. my right to privacy trumps this false 'right' of healthcare.
Ah short sided Pea Party who think they are giving a blow to Obama. If insurance mandates are unconstitutional than MANDITORY AUTO INSURANCE is next.
Do we really want to go back to the good ol days when no one had auto insurance?
Health Insurance is about to go up an average of 16% in 2011. Without Health Insurance Reform the Ins Co's can raise insurance rates 40%+ in Virgina
And now you know why Cucci really did this DUH!!!!
this is a common misunderstanding of our constitution. Different states may require insurance to drive a car or to open a medical practice. This is NOT a federal law. The US Constitution is a document that governs the Federal Establishment. Also, a requirement to have insurance to drive a car is not a requirement on an Individual's body. that person is free to NOT own a car and to use public transportation.
Many Americans make invalid comparisons and then quote the "cost"
I see unpatriotic tax cut for the wealthy in a time of war.
Pea Party where are the $5000 dinner War fund raisers by the rich??
Where are the War bond drives to offset the tax cuts??
I see Rebullcrapican Earmarks are back, it took less than 1 month after the election for the Rebullcrapican to turn their backs on an election promise.
A Tax on income and Labor is immoral and nothing short of theft. No person or group of people have the right to determine what a minority is permitted to earn or keep. Wealth is property. The ENTIRE principle of Liberty is founded upon the respect of private property. While the war is immoral and unconstitutional, it is not a justification to steal from the so called "wealthy" One injustice does not warrant another.
Please watch my video on the principles of Liberty
The right to life has nothing to do with the right to have a service paid for by someone else. For example: You need a house to live......that doesn't mean you have the right to have the public buy you a house....or food....or clothing. The Right to life means that nobody can intentionally KILL YOU. That doesn't mean that we have a duty to KEEP YOU ALIVE. You don't have the right, to be KEPT ALIVE. That's communism bro
The 14th amendment states that no state can deprive any person from LIFE, liberty, or property. You don't NEED food on a daily basis to survive, nor is it a necessity to have a house or clothes, just look at africa. However, you may have a life threatening ailment that may cost you your life.
@afrasianxchicxoxo I have said time and again, the right to life isn't a right to continue breathing. It is a right to determine the choices in your own life. It, therefore, cannot be separated from the determination of what happens to the product of one's own labor. This is because people work to fulfill specific material goals, not because they have an altruistic sense of the societal value of whatever they produce. You have NO RIGHT to take from someone for your benefit or others'.
How is that communism? You do realize that the US is THE ONLY developed country without universal health care or even the implementation of a FORM of universal health care and you're saying that THIS would be communism?
@afrasianxchicxoxo First off, one good reason to have many nations is so you can have an international federalism where people who feel they are being abused can leave the nation that abuses them. It means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that other nations do something and we do not. Secondly, while it may not fit a specific definition of communism, it can readily be said that universal HC requiring some people to pay for others against their will. Call it theft or slavery if you like. I call it immoral.
@sosoman the right to life is not a right to continue breathing. It is the right of each individual to make his own decisions in his own life. There cannot be a right which positively obligates someone else, as in mandating they serve you. The ONLY thing which is your right to take from other people is their non-interference with your decisions. Ultimately, natural law is a matter of each man being sovereign over himself, which does indeed undermine all forms of socialism, including health care.
@YtseWolf7 Our unalienable Rights are not Natural Law they are Laws of Nature. When these Rights are view through the prism of science (see my channel video), one will find they apply to all Life, from bacteria to humans, and Social systems, including Charles Darwin’s research; as in some Grand Unification principle for all Living-systems. Most understand the Laws of Nature trumps mortals in power; a new understanding of these Rights may help make this world a better place to live.
@Mike10four Actually, I'm of the opinion that the logic of science must have a metaphysical foundation in order to expect consistency in logic and in physical interaction. We are therefore led to question the nature of that metaphysics. Given that this video hasn't anything to do with God or religion, I will leave that to our disagreement and say only that the laws of nature spring from nature's God and are therefore intertwined in a natural law. Man is INDEED different from animal/other life.
@sosoman Your life and health is your responsibility. Congress Can't Force People To Engage In Commerce, So They Can't Force People To Buy Health Insurance PERIOD!
I think health care is a right, but thats because I am a patriot to the people of my nation. He aint heavy, hes my fellow citizen.
The ironic part is that a public option would just have lowered the health companies profit margin and they would be forced to have more fair prices unless they wanted everyone to choose the public option. It would have changed the current monopoly of the few to a actual free market with rational pricing for the user and a more cost efficient treatment system.
I feel very sad for the Americans. Don't they realise how fucking good healthcare is!? What about the right to be healthy? Secondly, the debate should not be about whether healthcare is a right or a good. It should be about the health of the nation, and the support for the poor.
You're rights are giving to you by the state. The state can take them away, there is no god, it is impossible for the non existent to give you "rights".
Whether you believe in God or not, rights do not come from Governments. If that were the case, then the government could do anything to it's people.
That's called totalitarianism, Tyranny, Oppression....pick your favorite word.
Even if you are an atheist, you can believe that every person owns his own body. Once you understand that you, not the state, own your eyes, your liver, your limbs... you will see that all of your rights are an extension of your humanity
Whether you believe in God or not, rights do not come from Governments.
Yeah they do. There is no intrinsic method found in nature that decides what is your rights and what is not. The constitutions, decide what is your rights and what is not. You have different rights in America than you do in Britian, France etc....
This could mean the government can do whatever it wants, but not necessarily. The government can do what the founding documents say it can do, and what the people
Want it to do. Tyranny and Oppression, doesn't have to come from the state in can come from..... business, the wealthy, the insurance companies..... Tyranny and oppression are what shine when democracy is absent and authority rains.
Businesses can not oppress a person. Businesses provide services and Products.
In order to buy a service or product, OR to work for a company, you make a VOLUNTARY, SELF-MOTIVATED decision. In a FREE MARKET system, competition allows the consumer to have many choices. Whether it be computers, cell phones, food or clothing, there are MANY choices in a free market. Businesses don't use FORCE and the THREAT OF VIOLENCE to back their policies.
@supermurder67 You can believe in "Natural Rights" without believing in "God." None religious people think of this as "Natural rights" and believes call it "God Given Rights."
You you propose is a return to a society of serfs, peasants and the ruling monied, landed classes. If you can't pay for an education for your children and there are only private schools that is what happens. Only when everyone got access to education did the lot of the working man improve. What you suggest would take it back to pre-victorian values.
What you can do is have govt guaranteed loans for anyone who can't afford to pay the full amount. The loan payback would be the responsibility of the parents. If the parents default, it would be the responsibility of the Student to pay back, once he or she got a job. That way, ANY student could go to ANY school. This would create a mass exodus in the horrible schools and high demand for the good schools. Competition always creates the best options.
This would allow good schools to be selective about students and would offer parents more incentive to help their kids. Let me ask you a question: Which shool is better...The local Community college or Harvard? The reason Harvard is such a great school is because they operate in the Free Market. The Department of education is only about 30 years old and has created the most DISMAL, unacceptable results. So you propose keeping that failed system??
@FreeTheNation I propose improving the system and not sticking with what we've got. Sticking with what we have would be stupid, but so would a return to Dickensian values
LONG before we had the modern public education system, The United states was the ENVY of the world. Within 75 years of our founding, we became the largest Creditor nation in the world. Within 100 years of our founding we saw the largest immigration to our shores of any country in the history of the world.
Do you think they came here for BIG GOVT solutions??? Or did they get on little wooden boats for FREEDOM FROM GOVT??
@FreeTheNation Hahahahaha that is completely untrue, Germany, England, France were the envy of the world. The best scientists came from Germany, the best engineers came from Britain etc. How do you think the industrial revolution started in Britain or the Renaissance in France etc etc. We did not have anything like the best education system in the world, that is a complete and utter lie. For a while from the 1950ies to the 1990ies we had the most college graduates per capita, but that's it
The United States has advanced Human Civilization further in the past 250 years than the 5000 years prior to that combined. Nearly every single major advance in technology, medicine, engineering, EVERYTHING......has come from this country.
The Reason for that is clear. We were once a free country.
I am open minded to various solutions to the education problem, though. I don't like the federal confiscation of money from individuals to spend as they see fit.
@FreeTheNation Again completely untrue, the car invented by a German, nuclear physics a German Jew, Antibiotics a Brit, The computer a Brit, The Jet engine a Brit and a German at the same time, Space rockets a German, TV a Scot, the 1st heart transplant a Brit, the first in vitro fertilization a brit, the battery an Italian, Bio filter a German, bikes a German, dialysis machine a Dutchman...What you just said is so far from the truth it is just mind bogglingly ethnocentric zenaphobic nonsense.
Health Care is definitely NOT a right. Health Care is a SERVICE that one purchases.
Again, this subject matter has already been decided upon for the history of the world by the greatest minds. I don't need to rehash it. Locke, Polybius, Cicero, Smith, Blackstone, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Adams, Aquinas....these GIANTS have already made the complete argument. You need to read their teachings. Modern day liberals are largely uneducated on these matters
The amount of success and wealth that was created in this country, prior to FDR, is unheard of. The mistakes made since the 1930s are like an Albatross around our necks. These mistakes of COLLECTIVISM have destroyed our economy, and put us all in great peril. As Jefferson said, give people freedom of choice. If what YOU are offering is such a great choice, we will all take what you offer.
Of course it's not a right. Neither is food, shelter, health care or any good, service or commodity.
The reason why the education system in the USA is so screwed up is because progressive collectivists attempted to make it a right. The Federal Govt has no authority, under the constitution as it is written, to have a damn thing to do with education. Property Tax is also unconstitutional, as it is THEFT of private property
No person should be FORCED to pay for a public school education if they would rather have a private education. No person should be Threatened by their government to give a percentage of their HOME...PRIVATE PROPERTY, to the collective to pay for schooling.
There are plenty of other taxes that could pay for LOCALLY run and LOCALLY managed school systems. The Department of education has only been around since Carter. Since it's inception, we have steadily declined.
@FreeTheNation No government should be able to take money for ou for anything. I am moving to Somalia, whe re they have no effective central government and I can do what I like. At last I will be free of big government.
This is another HUGELY ignorant statement. Personal income taxes account for less than 50% of all Federal Revenues. You don't need to have ANARCHY to have small government. Return our federal budget to that of 2000 and we could eliminate the personal income tax.....as it was approximately 50% of today's.
@FreeTheNation That's true. And that is a good point about Carter, I did not know that. Thing is, I do believe that anyone who wants an education should be able to get it and furthermore, all schools should be equal AND excellent. I'm not against the government, I just think it's too big in all the wrong places. Thanks so much for replying, I really appreciate it.
@FreeTheNation Educaton is a right in every other 1st world country. All the countries that are ahead of us in education invest far more in it than we do (as a society) and as a result are far better educated. It may not be a right in the USA, but it should be, maybe then we would catch up with all the countries where it is a right, i.e. the rest of the first world.
Education, food, Shelter, Clothing......NONE OF THESE ARE RIGHTS.
No country spends as much, per student, on education as we do in the United States. All anyone has to do is compare private schools with public schools....Which do you think provides a better education????
@FreeTheNation Again shouting, doesn't further your argument. They may not be a right in this country, but education and healthcare are in the rest of the 1st world. I made no mention of food, shelter or clothing. The United States spends more public and private money on education than other major countries, but its performance doesn't measure up in areas ranging from high-school graduation rates to test scores in math, reading and science. Other countries score better while spending less
So you are saying that a person has a "right" to education....but not to food.
Correct??
I would strongly recommend that you read John Locke's Two treatises on Government. Jefferson credited him as being the greatest philisophical mind that the world ever created. Locke already examined matters such as these to a degree that can never be matched. Read the book and you will unerstand me better. I also recommend that you read the invisible hand, by Adam Smith.
@FreeTheNation No I am saying that with good health and good education the food, clothing and shelter will follow as a natural result of the well educated and healthy person being able to provide for himself and his family. It isn't one or the other. They are not mutually exclusive
What happens in "Every Other Country" isn't our concern. Lot's of things happen in other countries that violate human Liberty. We here in the US decided to have a country that valued personal Liberty over Safety and security. That's why millions came here....for a chance to be free. With that Liberty comes PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. We are NOT a collective....we are a nation of INDIVIDUALS.
@FreeTheNation Once again ehtnocentric nonsense. If you have been to INS lately you will notice a severe lack of appllicants from other first world countries. Euopeans and people from other 1st world countries stopped coming here en mass about 100 years ago. Now it's people from the third world. What do you think that means?
Yes, I agree. The reason for this is the MASSIVE interference from a MASSIVE government. High Taxes, extreme regulation, the loss of personal Liberty, you can't keep the fruits of your labors, AND.....a state of perpetual military warfare.
THAT is the reason for the slowdown from Europe.
However, it hasn't slowed the wave of Latino immigration
@FreeTheNation you make my point for me, Western Europe and the rest of the 1st world have goverments that are far more involved in society, what you refer to as government interference. According to what you just said, there should still be a large influx from Europe, there is not though. the reason there isn't is because they are better off than we are. The reason the wave of Latino immigration hasn't slowed much is that Latino countries are 3rd. world countries and they are not better off.
@FreeTheNation You prove my point. Europe and the rest of the 1st world have governments that are far more active in society than ours, what you would term government interference. Euros haven't stopped coming because of government intereference, they are used to it and have more of it than we do. They have stopped coming because they are better off than we are. Hispanic countries are 3rd. world countries and the people in those countries do not have it as good, which is why they still come
Why do you think that a college education is so expensive?? Because government goosed the system to guarantee that ANYONE can go. What USED to make a college degree something worthwhile was that it was difficult to obtain. Since it was difficult to obtain, students worked VERY hard to be their best. Today, most college campuses are nothing more than a social network where fewer than 50% of the students actually learn something. many of the degrees are completely usesless
@FreeTheNation Why does it cost only 1000 pounds a semester to go to Oxford or Cambridge or 600 Euros a semester to go to any German university (amongst the best in the world)? Because it is based on ability, not ability to pay.
Not only are many of the degrees useless, but the cost is through the roof. It can cost over 500K to become a doctor today. To become a CPA, it can cost upwards of 250K.
Most accountants make less than a plumber or electrician. Save the 250K, go to a trade school and you will earn more...in many cases.
Managers in Accounting firms are made to work round the clock....plumbers ususally wrap up their day before dinner. Don't get me wrong..plumbers work hard...jjust better paid
Whether we should bailout GM or The Banks shouldn't be decided based on what we think might or might not happen, it should be decided based on principle. The government is not authorized by the constitution to do any such thing. while I like those who crusade for our liberty, I hate it when they argue that the reason we shouldnt do something is because of what might happen. That just leaves the question open of what to do. Just act on principle and let the consequences take care of themselves.
@rdor011 nope, I live in Poland and here is the same, if not worse. Social policy is the worst thing that government can do to the country and it's citizens. But in democracy it's normal thing, that people votes for "free medical care" or "free schools" and that's why I prefer back to monarchy in Europe, where the bad king can be overthrown and replaced, as in democracy rules the crowd. But how you overthrown the crowd?
@med2904 Majority rules pal. Under a democracy you would have been executed for suggesting that you overthrow the king. Get real please. Problem is you only recently came out of several decades of communism. Which is not the same thing. If social democracy is so bad, why do so many of you choose to move to Germany or England. Social Democracy is not hte same thing as socialism or communism, not at all. Absolute monarchy is the stupidest suggestion I have heard in a long time.
AGAIN, ANOTHER HUGELY MISTAKEN BELIEF. Majority does NOT rule. ONLY a supermajority of 75% of the states rules in this country.....Lawfully, that is. We live in what the founding fathers would call DEMOCRATIC TYRANNY, which the Constitution sought to prevent.
@FreeTheNation Don't shout, it doesn't make your argument more compelling, but rather less. I was referring to med2904's asinine statement that he would prefer an absolute monarchy (which is what he described) over a democracy. Of course I did just notice I wrote " Under a democracy you would have been executed for suggesting that you overthrow the king" of course I meant monarchy.
I do realize there is such a thing as democratic tyranny, but even that is preferable to absolute monarchy.
without the people who greed for power and control the people who want money have to engage in transactions that benefit both parties, when government gets big they both conspire to steal from the masses using force
This is great. Anyone who has studied the writings and teachings of the Founding Fathers, PARTICULARLY Madison (you know...the guy that wrote the Constitution) will find that they said the PREAMBLE provides ZERO power to the government and that it was merely a descriptive sentence.
Do you have your eyes closed, are you in denial, are you just a kid, or don't you get out much? Fact.... Nearly 1,000,000 each year declare bankruptcy due to medical bills. Fact.... About 40,000 die each year for lack of health care. Fact.... Pre-existing conditions and caps insurance deny millions needed care. Fact.... Here in the US we spend twice as much per capita on health care but we are ranked anywhere from 17th to 35th.
And finally - It's INEXCUSEABLE to not have a major medical insurance policy in place from the time you are 18. That's called "taking care of one's buisness and affairs"
I don't want the government stealing my hard earned money and giving it to whomever they feel deserves free medical care.
That's called THEFT.....and we made that a crime long ago.
Before that...I had major medical. I used to only earn a gross amount of 600.00 per month...so I was way beneath the poverty level. I found a really inexpensive major medical plan and paid for my own doctor visits....out of my savings.
I ate macaroni and cheese pretty often back in those days.
The system worked FANTASTIC for me and everyone I ever knew.
@FreeTheNation How did you know your ancle was only sprained and that you didn't have muscle, joint, tendon or ligament damage, unless you went to a doctor (in a severe case) there is no way you could know.
Civil Service employees ABSOLUTELY DO NOT DO A GOOD JOB. Most of those jobs shouldn't exist. They are protected by federal and state unions and can't be fired for doing a bad job. I have NEVER experienced quick, professional and courteous service from a Government employee. NEVER.
ONE FINAL WORD ABOUT THE RUDENESS OF THIS PERSON.
Did everyone notice that he/she called me a name, but didn't argue factually against any point I have made?? That's a marxist/communist tactic. Whether you knew you were using such a tactic or not doesn't matter. DEBATE THE FACTS. I'm thinking you don't know the subject content very well.
First of all, the role of STATE governments, as our Declaration/Constitution were written, is to secure the Life, Liberty and Property Rights of the People. Actually, there were another 22 or so specific rights that went hand in hand with these. So this leaves two serious factual errors with your statements. 1. That if the Federal Government didn't enforce the laws, Nobody would. That renders state and local governments indifferent.
Free the Nation. Do you personally have a social security card? Do you have a personal bank Account? Do you have auto insurance? Do you have health insurance? If you answered yes to one or more. YOU ARE A SOCIALIST!!!
@FreeTheNation You are never forced!! As far as your private sector of commerce Who do you think regulates the private sector?? As far as lack of intelligence who has to have all that stuff and abides?? You have have admire the system that people created for themselves!!! They trapped themselves as well as your self if you still have or need all that stuff. Your security in exchange for you freedom!!
Well my friend....what are you proposing that we do to Eliminate the Confiscation of our assets and the diminuation of our Liberties by this Government?? What do you propose
@FreeTheNation Do not participate in their game You can live with out what ever the offer... OFFER, ACCEPTENCE, Their game.. You have worked hard for your things Im sure. But its just stuff.. That is what gets us fear of losing our stuff!!!
@ReduceGHGs Why the capital WE THE PEOPLE? I would like to understand why you like the idea of everyone being controlled not just by a government, but by every person around them. Thats one up on totalitarianism.
That struggle will be the Collectivism (socialism/communism) against LIBERTY.
As State and local governments become bankrupt, fail to provide services, fail to pay their bills......As the Federal Government deficits Continue to SPIRAL out of control, continue to promise money to poor people in exchange for votes.........
THERE WILL BE A CURRENCY COLLAPSE.
When that happens, the poor people who have been promised so much will resort to violence, as the promises can not be kept.
The reason why the US became the worlds largest creditor nation is because we were free INDIVIDUALS....not a COLLECTIVE. The founders understood that ALL FORMS OF COLLECTIVISM END IN TYRANNY AND ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. ALL FORMS.
The United States, SADLY, became a socialist country during the FDR Administration and we spiraled out of control from there. The SHAM lasted this long due to the BIRTH RATE and the aftermath of WWII. It is over and there will be a great struggle/
@ReduceGHGs Yes freely trading with each other is 'taking advantage' of each other, if you will. It is good. We can and will do better? Well that depends on who wins. And regulated capitalism is a weasel-phrase, meaning 'mixed socialism-capitalism'.
The Supreme Court will overturn this Legislation based on the Uniformity Clause, the 10th Amendment and a host of other illegal actions within the bill.
Whatever they miss will be dealt with by the people in the upcoming elections.
Whatever they miss will be dealth with by the State Legislatures.
The gravy train is over. Not only will this bill be repealed, so will Social Security and Medicare.
We are DEFINITELY headed for change....just not the type you think.
Why will your ideas, reinstituted, physically manifest a different society to that of the USSR, where those ideas were prime? The most basic definition of insanity is repeating the same experiment expecting a different result. Obamas beautiful oratory does not alter reality, nor does it overwrite good morals.
Liberty defends freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Independent of the basis of beliefs. There are great consequences of good people doing nothing, of not standing up for what is right. GO CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY! Stand with us! We are the grass roots for and by the people. America needs our help, stand for the rights of the people! Be involved, our country needs your help
@berlinbrown03 Don't let it bother you, he means the same thing. It's our natural right is the same as "it's our god given right", no diff, just depending on who you're talking to. If it gets us our freedom, i'm ok with it. as long as it is also our god given right to not worship god..
The judge is well-documented on the fact that our rights are Natural rights. He has explained many times about the freedom to worship or NOT to worship.
What an incredible show. How does a show like this ever get on the air? Judge Napolitano's days must be numbered, they just can't get rid of him yet as he is too popular. I hope he runs for president.
Our Rights come from God, not the Government. This matter has been discussed in the major works listed on my sight, so you will have to read them to educate yourself on that matter. God Given rights are the right to your life, the right to your Liberty and the right to pursue your own happiness and retain the fruits of your labor. You also have the God Given right to defend yourself from other people AND the Government. The
Likewise, Healthcare, food, shelter, chlothing and other goods and services are NOT God Given Rights. Those are PRODUCTS that you may need or want.
I have yet to meet someone who does not have health care. Finally - 80% of Americans are very happy with the system they have...not just republicans or independents.......HENCE the major landslide of politicians that will be removed from office in a few months.
Obama OVER-REACHED on this matter and will be a one termer.
freedom is the only right in the world
TheAndron55 1 week ago
People need the same healthcare, as the people thay Elect ? price rate and rules.....
stringlov 2 weeks ago
He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again. Proverbs 19:17
nibblesann 2 months ago
Any person that thinks that Social Security, Medicare, the FHA, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or just about any other Federal social program has worked needs to buy some books and do some homework. Those programs/agencies will cease to exist in the upcoming decades because it is mathematically impossible for them to continue to exist. That's just a fact of life that everyone needs to get used to. We can BARELY pay our bills at a ZERO% interest rate. What do you think will happen when rates go up?
FreeTheNation 4 months ago
Any and all services provided by the US government are the pinnacle of inadequate failures. Government employees are unionized and are not motivated to serve the customer. Virtually every federal program is bankrupt and the service is HORRIBLE.
In a free society there are certain responsibilities. I have yet to meet a single person, in my entire life, who could not get necessary health care. PERIOD.
There are already a million state, local and federal programs for health care.
FreeTheNation 4 months ago
so life is a right given by your imaginary god but protecting that is not a right? so why do we have police or the fire department? why not let them be privatized and charge people for protecting them? why not have a police insurance? instead of comparing USA to cuba or north korea look at the models that have worked in germany, norway, england, france... top of the line healthcare with good economies. USA currently ranks 37th in healthcare quality around the world. how sad is that?
berbatovinho77 5 months ago
@berbatovinho77 -
Using your logic (or lack thereof) the government should make sure that every citizen has all SERVICES and PRODUCTS that are necessary to live. That would include health care, Dental work, Food, Shelter, Clothing and an Education....oh....and I forgot a pension for retirement. "Police insurance?????? are you kidding me??
Police are put in place to make sure that another person doesn't kill you or steal from you.....not to give you free cough syrup.
FreeTheNation 4 months ago
@berbatovinho77 -
Europe is on the verge of an economic meltdown as a result of their social spending. Greece is on the verge of a civil war. Italy, Portugal and Spain aren't far behind. France and UK are next. My personal ranking of the US healthcare system is number 1. I have friends in france that want to come here just to GET OUT OF THEIR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. Their personal stories are much more compelling than your "ranking" They HATE the system......to put it simply
FreeTheNation 4 months ago
@FreeTheNation may i ask what you consider in ranking the healthcare of whole entire countries and how you are able to do this? CANADA, AUSTRALIA, CHINA, UK, NORWAY, SWEDEN, DENMARK, GERMANY all have strong economies AND universal healthcare.those countries you listed have ALWAYS had volatile economies because they have no solid foundations. social spending does not cause an economic meltdown, usually economies slow down due to greed, deceit, and immoral business practices just like wall street
berbatovinho77 4 months ago
@berbatovinho77
I wouldn't ever want to live in those countries. They don't have the same constitutional rights that we have. The US economy has been destroyed by government and government only. The housing crisis was caused by government tinkering. Ron Paul warned congress in 2003 that they were going to cause a meltdown with their activist policies. It's well documented. The debt and deficts caused by the MASSIVE social spending have caused a disaster and it WILL get worse.
FreeTheNation 4 months ago
@FreeTheNation my friend we are both americans and i assume we are no millionaires but think of the 40 million people in this country that can't even go to a hospital for a yearly checkup. the world health organization is a respected organization that lists yearly rankings of countries based on the QUALITY and AVAILABILITY of healthcare. USA spends way too much money on healthcare which means insurance companies charge you way too much for the services you get. i hope you understand.
berbatovinho77 4 months ago
@berbatovinho77
The "US" shouldn't be spending ANYTHING on healthcare, education, shelter....That's why THOSE THINGS are prohibited by the Constitution. That type of collectivism is socialism/communism...The founders knew this from their intensive research. That's precisely why the Constitution was written.....to keep the FEDS out of every aspect of our lives other than the 17 enumerated powers. Only a fool could think that ANY federal program has succeeded. OPEN YOUR EYES, MAN.
FreeTheNation 4 months ago
@FreeTheNation the founding fathers never did any such research. they just wanted to escape abuse from UK. back then collectivist socialism did not even exist, they wouldn't even know about it. government is in every aspect of your life if you like it or not. why do you trust corporations over the government that have no motives to make any money? all i am saying is that USA can be a lot more efficient when it comes to healthcare and playing stock games with peoples well being is just immoral.
berbatovinho77 4 months ago
@berbatovinho77
This is your problem sir....a poor education. The founding fathers absolutely researched ALL forms of government and monetary systems in the history of the world. Jefferson studied the foreign works in the original languages, as he was fluent in at least 6. The founders studied every civilization going back as far as written records were available....The Roman Empire, The Greek Empire, Egypt....the entire can of worms.
They were well studied geniuses.
FreeTheNation 4 months ago
@FreeTheNation give me one example of a socialist nation in the 1700s and before :D i have an amazing education, i will graduate from UVA with economics/engineering :D why is it that only the US lacks universal healthcare in the modern world vs other advanced countries. name one developed nation that doesn't have universal healthcare. then you must think is it the cost or is it corporate greed that wont change this? i believe it is corporate greed because they have too much to lose.
berbatovinho77 4 months ago
@FreeTheNation healthcare shouldnt be something that we use the "free market" to solve. its a basic human right...i think Jesus would agree with me on that.
berbatovinho77 4 months ago
Well, they were wrong about GM.
chavruta2000 7 months ago
No but it is a sign of a civilized society
prebenso 8 months ago
@prebenso
In your opinion, that may be the case. I'd prefer to live in a free society that is comprised of civiized INDIVIDUALS.
FreeTheNation 8 months ago
@prebenso Theft is a sign of a civilized society???
david52875 7 months ago
@prebenso North Korea and Cuba have socialized healthcare too ;)
silversnowsnake 6 months ago
So... If rights are a gift from god, has god given up on people without rights?
jheit1 8 months ago
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Only the rich deserve healthcare. Sick of poor people trying to stay alive with medicine. Fuck em. They should all suffer and die. Nothing is a right. The winner takes all. I cant wait until corporations enslave me rather than the evil govt.
damnedcarrot 8 months ago
@philip0460
I have created jobs and continue to create jobs. The progressive income tax, which I am most certain you support based on your zeal and jealousy of the so called "rich", is the 2nd plank in the Ten Planks of Communism as written in the Communist Manifesto. I'm sure you know that, right??
If you want to live under the rule of Socialism or Communism, I suggest you move to countries like that. We here in America have a heritage of being FREE from the tyranny of people like you
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@philip0460
There is honor in all forms of work. However, you can't possibly understand what's involved in creating jobs if you have never done it. You can't write about wine without ever having the experience of tasting it. That explains why you know so little about the History of our nation, the foundations of personal Liberty, the constitution, the declaration and the history of law. You don't care to know. You would rather be ENVIOUS of the people who have achieved more than you
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@philip0460
They came here for the NATURAL RIGHTS that were written in the Declaration......for the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.... The KEY WORD - PURSUIT. What Franklin meant by that when he asked Jefferson to change it was this......TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO SUCCEED OR TO FAIL ON YOUR OWN with LITTLE OR NO INTERFERENCE FROM GOVERNMENT. They came here to experience the RULE OF LAW....which I'm guessing you never studied. The purpose of law is to INCREASE LIBERTY and to PROTECT PRIVATE PROPERTY
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@philip0460 -
I'm not going to respond in kind by calling you a name. That act violates the policies of my channel, but I will leave your comment up to make an articulate reply. First of all, my family DID come here for only ONE reason....and it's the same reason that millions flocked here from all over the world. It was not for free health care and it was not for ANY type of govt Social Services. They came here to BE LEFT ALONE and TO HAVE THE LIBERTY TO RUN THEIR OWN LIVES.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
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Well, then let's just let people die, let's not give health insurance to people with preexisiting conditions,let's not feed and clothe abandoned children, let's not use ambulances to help old ladies who fall in the street. Let's just give tax cuts to the rich! Rich people should have the right to buy 23 Lexuses. This is exactly why many Americans are viewed in the world as selfish and uncaring!
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460
OK Ladies and Gentlemen - Here you have it..... The exposed nerve of progressive lunacy. There's so much here, it's hard to know where to start.
Let's start with a fact. You don't own any other person.....rich or otherwise. Therefore, it's none of your business how much money they have and how many cars they buy. I would venture to guess that most of the "rich" people whom you despise so much have done more for their fellow man in a week than you have in your life. (cont)
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
I don't own anyone, very true. But I think the fact that even if one person dies because they don't have health care, that's a tragedy. I don't hate rich people, I just want them to help those who are not able to obtain health care thru their jobs or thru any other means. I never claimed that rich people don't help people. If I had their money, I would help too. You are going off course here dude.
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460
Next: There are already DOZENS of STATE plans in place to help poor children and little old ladies.
Third - Necessary medical care to save a life may not be denied by a hospital, regardless of insurance.
Fourth - There are human problems that exist that the US Govt can't solve. There are HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of people suffering all over the globe. It is not the role, either morally or Legally, for the US FEDERAL govt to solve the problems of the world.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
If there are "dozens" of "state" plans, why is it that people are without health care... even those who work 2 or 3 jobs? Not talking about the "world"... I'm talking about your fellow Americans. Why can't you see that? Very easy to understand. Why do other countries get it?
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460 -
This implies that it is MY responsibility to solve everyone's problems. That's not part of the role of government. The role of government is to secure liberty and to protect private property. There are 17 enumerated powers that were given to the central government, and this is not one of them. The system that DOES take care of people in the manner you prefer is called SOCIALISM or COMMUNISM. That system is unconstitutional in the US
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
That's absolutely false. Social Security, unemployment benefits, Medicaid, Medicare, Veteran's benefits, the GI bill etc. are all SOCIALIST programs. There is NO such thing as a purely capitalistic society (thank God). So your argument is totally baseless.
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460
Social Security was supposed to be a federally managed retirement pension plan that was SUPPOSED to be VOLUNTARY. Please read your history sir. Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government authorized to run a retirement pension plan. Furthermore, it is both illegal and immoral to FORCE private and free citizens to participate. These public SCAMS were all used on the Romans and other ancient cultures. The founding fathers ATTEMPTED to PREVENT such scams.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@philip0460 -
That's why social security will not continue much longer. WHY?? It's collectivism. The founders set this country up to be based on MERIT OF THE INDIVIDUAL. NEVER did they have in mind the notion that a federal government could use the threat of VIOLENCE against one group of people to support another. Actually, if you read any history, you would see that this was the PRECISE thing they set out to prevent.
All of those programs are Unconstitutional. that's a fact
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
Well, I sure hope the Republicans run on a platform of abolishing Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment, Veteran's benefits etc. You know why? Because then we will have a Democrat in the White House for a VEEEEEEEEEEEEERY long time LOL.
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460
Why do all extremely liberal progressives assume that anyone who disagrees with them supports the Republican party?? If you did some basic homework, you would understand that these programs will be ending....either at the hands of a politician or at the hands of mathematics. What you see in wisconsin is just the beginning of the big wake up call to Americans that the promises that were made can not possibly be honored.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
Why? Because it's true. I can bet my house and car that you vote Republican ALL the time. Secondly, the wakeup call is going to be the people getting tired of austerity measures knifing the middle class and not the rich.
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460
And you would lose your house. I voted for people you probably never heard of, last election....the Libertarian party. If you took the time to actually read about me, you would learn that the slogan of my ENTIRE SITE is "END THE TWO PARTY DICTATORSHIP." If you watched the first few seconds of the video interview on my home page with economist Robert Prechter, you would find that I am an ARDENT opponent to the big government, NEOCONS in the republican party
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
Well, glad to hear that. Viva the working class!
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460 So, did you give him the deed to your house yet?
david52875 7 months ago
@philip0460
Fifth - The system that you desire is known as collectivism. The govt structures that use collectivism are National Socialists, Marxists, Communists and a variety of slants on all of the above. Throughout History, Governments based on Collectivism have always failed, have always collaspsed and have always resulted in Tyranny and suffering. We live in a free society. There are many free market solutions to many of the problems.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
I don't see Germany, Canada, France, England, Sweden etc. "collapsing" LOL
philip0460 1 year ago
@philip0460
Neither is Iran. That doesnt' mean that their system of government is the same as ours. Our system is a democratic republic, which is quite different than all of those other countries. You DO know the difference.....right???
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@philip0460
There is NO WAY to protect every person while still retaining LIBERTY of the individual. People from all over the world flocked to America from the failed Collective governments of the past so they could seek out FREEDOM and LIBERTY. Phillip is a marxist who believes that we should all make the amount of money and have the style of life that HE thinks is acceptable. How many Jobs has Phillip ever Created?????
My guess is a BIG FAT ZERO
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
I would think that things such as food, and healthcare, in a truly developed and civilized society would be considered rights. Surely every person should be entitled to the necessities of life
dannix87 1 year ago
Maybe I need to watch part 2, but I can't give credibility to anyone when he invites 3 guests which all agree on the same matter, it's a little absurd.
And to my understanding, I've never paid for another's health care, I've paid a government initiative to provide for a universal system that provides people with protection from all sorts of illnesses, isn't that an investment ?
What it seems to me that some folk don't get is that people don't ask for cancer, they just get it.
Ph3L1z14n0 1 year ago
@Ph3L1z14n0
Credibility should have nothing to do with anything by the facts. The point of the debate is that healthcare is not a right. Healthcare is a SERVICE that you BUY. Nobody has the right to healthcare, food, shelter, clothes, car insurance, transportation.....We have the right to keep our LIFE safe from murder, our LIBERTY safe from confinement and to PURSUE whatever means makes us happy in life.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
I'm sorry, but nowhere on this earth will it be reasonable that a legitimate discussion is made by debaters who agree, from the beginning (sp), on the same topic, where's the debate in that ? And how exactly is healthcare not being a right "a fact" ?
And the "food, shelter, clothes, etc." comparison is simply not accurate, you don't choose when to get cancer, and most of the time you're not in a financially good position to solve that problem.
Ph3L1z14n0 1 year ago
@Ph3L1z14n0
So you are saying if Three people all agree that raping young girls is a crime and they debate the laws governing that crime, that it's not a legitmate point of view??
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation It wouldn't be debate, it would be conversation, in a debate there are arguments and counter-arguments, discussion obligatorily encompasses (sp) different opinions and different points of view, furthermore, a debate generally focuses on topics which aren't resolved, which haven't got a reasonable conclussion, like "Is Healthcare a right or good?", not "Underage Female Rape", I mean no offense but objectivists can't pretend something is a fact because their reason tells them it is.
Ph3L1z14n0 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation So you are saying if Three people all agree that raping young girls is not a crime and they debate the laws governing that crime, that it's not a legitmate point of view??
tubeturds 1 year ago
"Banks are too important to save."
Great quote!
manofoss 1 year ago
its your right to pay for your own healthcare with your own money.....its not your right to use the government to extort my money to pay for goods used by someone else. my right to privacy trumps this false 'right' of healthcare.
londonkev 1 year ago 2
@londonkev
Well said
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
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Ah short sided Pea Party who think they are giving a blow to Obama. If insurance mandates are unconstitutional than MANDITORY AUTO INSURANCE is next.
Do we really want to go back to the good ol days when no one had auto insurance?
Health Insurance is about to go up an average of 16% in 2011. Without Health Insurance Reform the Ins Co's can raise insurance rates 40%+ in Virgina
And now you know why Cucci really did this DUH!!!!
m530bc 1 year ago
@m530bc
this is a common misunderstanding of our constitution. Different states may require insurance to drive a car or to open a medical practice. This is NOT a federal law. The US Constitution is a document that governs the Federal Establishment. Also, a requirement to have insurance to drive a car is not a requirement on an Individual's body. that person is free to NOT own a car and to use public transportation.
Many Americans make invalid comparisons and then quote the "cost"
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
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Yes I meant Pea Party
Dont Pea on my leg and tell me its raining.
I see unpatriotic tax cut for the wealthy in a time of war.
Pea Party where are the $5000 dinner War fund raisers by the rich??
Where are the War bond drives to offset the tax cuts??
I see Rebullcrapican Earmarks are back, it took less than 1 month after the election for the Rebullcrapican to turn their backs on an election promise.
m530bc 1 year ago
@m530bc
A Tax on income and Labor is immoral and nothing short of theft. No person or group of people have the right to determine what a minority is permitted to earn or keep. Wealth is property. The ENTIRE principle of Liberty is founded upon the respect of private property. While the war is immoral and unconstitutional, it is not a justification to steal from the so called "wealthy" One injustice does not warrant another.
Please watch my video on the principles of Liberty
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
health care not a right though? i have a right to live so i should have a right for health care no matter who paying for it
sosoman 1 year ago
@sosoman
The right to life has nothing to do with the right to have a service paid for by someone else. For example: You need a house to live......that doesn't mean you have the right to have the public buy you a house....or food....or clothing. The Right to life means that nobody can intentionally KILL YOU. That doesn't mean that we have a duty to KEEP YOU ALIVE. You don't have the right, to be KEPT ALIVE. That's communism bro
FreeTheNation 1 year ago 2
@FreeTheNation Amazingly well put.
woofter 1 year ago
@sosoman -
So you then have a right to government paid food, housing, clothing and other things required to live. Right??
that is called communism.
There are many places to go where you can have the security of government jobs, healthcare, food and shelter.
Here in America - We prefer to be free to take care of ourselves.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
The 14th amendment states that no state can deprive any person from LIFE, liberty, or property. You don't NEED food on a daily basis to survive, nor is it a necessity to have a house or clothes, just look at africa. However, you may have a life threatening ailment that may cost you your life.
afrasianxchicxoxo 1 year ago
@afrasianxchicxoxo I have said time and again, the right to life isn't a right to continue breathing. It is a right to determine the choices in your own life. It, therefore, cannot be separated from the determination of what happens to the product of one's own labor. This is because people work to fulfill specific material goals, not because they have an altruistic sense of the societal value of whatever they produce. You have NO RIGHT to take from someone for your benefit or others'.
YtseWolf7 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
How is that communism? You do realize that the US is THE ONLY developed country without universal health care or even the implementation of a FORM of universal health care and you're saying that THIS would be communism?
afrasianxchicxoxo 1 year ago
@afrasianxchicxoxo First off, one good reason to have many nations is so you can have an international federalism where people who feel they are being abused can leave the nation that abuses them. It means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that other nations do something and we do not. Secondly, while it may not fit a specific definition of communism, it can readily be said that universal HC requiring some people to pay for others against their will. Call it theft or slavery if you like. I call it immoral.
YtseWolf7 1 year ago
@sosoman the right to life is not a right to continue breathing. It is the right of each individual to make his own decisions in his own life. There cannot be a right which positively obligates someone else, as in mandating they serve you. The ONLY thing which is your right to take from other people is their non-interference with your decisions. Ultimately, natural law is a matter of each man being sovereign over himself, which does indeed undermine all forms of socialism, including health care.
YtseWolf7 1 year ago
@YtseWolf7 Our unalienable Rights are not Natural Law they are Laws of Nature. When these Rights are view through the prism of science (see my channel video), one will find they apply to all Life, from bacteria to humans, and Social systems, including Charles Darwin’s research; as in some Grand Unification principle for all Living-systems. Most understand the Laws of Nature trumps mortals in power; a new understanding of these Rights may help make this world a better place to live.
Mike10four 1 year ago
@Mike10four Actually, I'm of the opinion that the logic of science must have a metaphysical foundation in order to expect consistency in logic and in physical interaction. We are therefore led to question the nature of that metaphysics. Given that this video hasn't anything to do with God or religion, I will leave that to our disagreement and say only that the laws of nature spring from nature's God and are therefore intertwined in a natural law. Man is INDEED different from animal/other life.
YtseWolf7 1 year ago
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Mike10four 1 year ago
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Mike10four 1 year ago
@sosoman Your life and health is your responsibility. Congress Can't Force People To Engage In Commerce, So They Can't Force People To Buy Health Insurance PERIOD!
federal401 1 year ago
I think health care is a right, but thats because I am a patriot to the people of my nation. He aint heavy, hes my fellow citizen.
The ironic part is that a public option would just have lowered the health companies profit margin and they would be forced to have more fair prices unless they wanted everyone to choose the public option. It would have changed the current monopoly of the few to a actual free market with rational pricing for the user and a more cost efficient treatment system.
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TaylorWmh 1 year ago
I feel very sad for the Americans. Don't they realise how fucking good healthcare is!? What about the right to be healthy? Secondly, the debate should not be about whether healthcare is a right or a good. It should be about the health of the nation, and the support for the poor.
EternalVigilant 1 year ago
You're rights are giving to you by the state. The state can take them away, there is no god, it is impossible for the non existent to give you "rights".
supermurder67 1 year ago
@supermurder67
Whether you believe in God or not, rights do not come from Governments. If that were the case, then the government could do anything to it's people.
That's called totalitarianism, Tyranny, Oppression....pick your favorite word.
Even if you are an atheist, you can believe that every person owns his own body. Once you understand that you, not the state, own your eyes, your liver, your limbs... you will see that all of your rights are an extension of your humanity
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
Whether you believe in God or not, rights do not come from Governments.
Yeah they do. There is no intrinsic method found in nature that decides what is your rights and what is not. The constitutions, decide what is your rights and what is not. You have different rights in America than you do in Britian, France etc....
This could mean the government can do whatever it wants, but not necessarily. The government can do what the founding documents say it can do, and what the people
supermurder67 1 year ago
@supermurder67 -
You are confusing the EXISTENCE of the rights with the DEFENSE of the rights.
Our rights come from God or Nature and are an extension of our Humanity.
That is a CONCEPT.
Governments are created to "SECURE THESE RIGHTS"
That is an ACTION.
They are different.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation
PArt2
Want it to do. Tyranny and Oppression, doesn't have to come from the state in can come from..... business, the wealthy, the insurance companies..... Tyranny and oppression are what shine when democracy is absent and authority rains.
supermurder67 1 year ago
@supermurder67
Businesses can not oppress a person. Businesses provide services and Products.
In order to buy a service or product, OR to work for a company, you make a VOLUNTARY, SELF-MOTIVATED decision. In a FREE MARKET system, competition allows the consumer to have many choices. Whether it be computers, cell phones, food or clothing, there are MANY choices in a free market. Businesses don't use FORCE and the THREAT OF VIOLENCE to back their policies.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@supermurder67 You can believe in "Natural Rights" without believing in "God." None religious people think of this as "Natural rights" and believes call it "God Given Rights."
Zachw2007 1 year ago
Right is not a gift from god, because god is imaginary. The state gives you you're rights, and the state can't take them away.
supermurder67 1 year ago
Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012
thecoolerstinger 1 year ago
You you propose is a return to a society of serfs, peasants and the ruling monied, landed classes. If you can't pay for an education for your children and there are only private schools that is what happens. Only when everyone got access to education did the lot of the working man improve. What you suggest would take it back to pre-victorian values.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
What you can do is have govt guaranteed loans for anyone who can't afford to pay the full amount. The loan payback would be the responsibility of the parents. If the parents default, it would be the responsibility of the Student to pay back, once he or she got a job. That way, ANY student could go to ANY school. This would create a mass exodus in the horrible schools and high demand for the good schools. Competition always creates the best options.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000
This would allow good schools to be selective about students and would offer parents more incentive to help their kids. Let me ask you a question: Which shool is better...The local Community college or Harvard? The reason Harvard is such a great school is because they operate in the Free Market. The Department of education is only about 30 years old and has created the most DISMAL, unacceptable results. So you propose keeping that failed system??
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation I propose improving the system and not sticking with what we've got. Sticking with what we have would be stupid, but so would a return to Dickensian values
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
LONG before we had the modern public education system, The United states was the ENVY of the world. Within 75 years of our founding, we became the largest Creditor nation in the world. Within 100 years of our founding we saw the largest immigration to our shores of any country in the history of the world.
Do you think they came here for BIG GOVT solutions??? Or did they get on little wooden boats for FREEDOM FROM GOVT??
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Hahahahaha that is completely untrue, Germany, England, France were the envy of the world. The best scientists came from Germany, the best engineers came from Britain etc. How do you think the industrial revolution started in Britain or the Renaissance in France etc etc. We did not have anything like the best education system in the world, that is a complete and utter lie. For a while from the 1950ies to the 1990ies we had the most college graduates per capita, but that's it
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
The United States has advanced Human Civilization further in the past 250 years than the 5000 years prior to that combined. Nearly every single major advance in technology, medicine, engineering, EVERYTHING......has come from this country.
The Reason for that is clear. We were once a free country.
I am open minded to various solutions to the education problem, though. I don't like the federal confiscation of money from individuals to spend as they see fit.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Again completely untrue, the car invented by a German, nuclear physics a German Jew, Antibiotics a Brit, The computer a Brit, The Jet engine a Brit and a German at the same time, Space rockets a German, TV a Scot, the 1st heart transplant a Brit, the first in vitro fertilization a brit, the battery an Italian, Bio filter a German, bikes a German, dialysis machine a Dutchman...What you just said is so far from the truth it is just mind bogglingly ethnocentric zenaphobic nonsense.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
Health Care is definitely NOT a right. Health Care is a SERVICE that one purchases.
Again, this subject matter has already been decided upon for the history of the world by the greatest minds. I don't need to rehash it. Locke, Polybius, Cicero, Smith, Blackstone, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Adams, Aquinas....these GIANTS have already made the complete argument. You need to read their teachings. Modern day liberals are largely uneducated on these matters
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
The amount of success and wealth that was created in this country, prior to FDR, is unheard of. The mistakes made since the 1930s are like an Albatross around our necks. These mistakes of COLLECTIVISM have destroyed our economy, and put us all in great peril. As Jefferson said, give people freedom of choice. If what YOU are offering is such a great choice, we will all take what you offer.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
he just said education isn't a right. end of discussion. don't listen to this clown.
prozacpacman 1 year ago
@prozacpacman
Of course it's not a right. Neither is food, shelter, health care or any good, service or commodity.
The reason why the education system in the USA is so screwed up is because progressive collectivists attempted to make it a right. The Federal Govt has no authority, under the constitution as it is written, to have a damn thing to do with education. Property Tax is also unconstitutional, as it is THEFT of private property
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation so what do u suggest? all private schools?
prozacpacman 1 year ago
@prozacpacman -
No person should be FORCED to pay for a public school education if they would rather have a private education. No person should be Threatened by their government to give a percentage of their HOME...PRIVATE PROPERTY, to the collective to pay for schooling.
There are plenty of other taxes that could pay for LOCALLY run and LOCALLY managed school systems. The Department of education has only been around since Carter. Since it's inception, we have steadily declined.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation No government should be able to take money for ou for anything. I am moving to Somalia, whe re they have no effective central government and I can do what I like. At last I will be free of big government.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000
This is another HUGELY ignorant statement. Personal income taxes account for less than 50% of all Federal Revenues. You don't need to have ANARCHY to have small government. Return our federal budget to that of 2000 and we could eliminate the personal income tax.....as it was approximately 50% of today's.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation That's true. And that is a good point about Carter, I did not know that. Thing is, I do believe that anyone who wants an education should be able to get it and furthermore, all schools should be equal AND excellent. I'm not against the government, I just think it's too big in all the wrong places. Thanks so much for replying, I really appreciate it.
prozacpacman 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Educaton is a right in every other 1st world country. All the countries that are ahead of us in education invest far more in it than we do (as a society) and as a result are far better educated. It may not be a right in the USA, but it should be, maybe then we would catch up with all the countries where it is a right, i.e. the rest of the first world.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
Education, food, Shelter, Clothing......NONE OF THESE ARE RIGHTS.
No country spends as much, per student, on education as we do in the United States. All anyone has to do is compare private schools with public schools....Which do you think provides a better education????
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Again shouting, doesn't further your argument. They may not be a right in this country, but education and healthcare are in the rest of the 1st world. I made no mention of food, shelter or clothing. The United States spends more public and private money on education than other major countries, but its performance doesn't measure up in areas ranging from high-school graduation rates to test scores in math, reading and science. Other countries score better while spending less
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000
So you are saying that a person has a "right" to education....but not to food.
Correct??
I would strongly recommend that you read John Locke's Two treatises on Government. Jefferson credited him as being the greatest philisophical mind that the world ever created. Locke already examined matters such as these to a degree that can never be matched. Read the book and you will unerstand me better. I also recommend that you read the invisible hand, by Adam Smith.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation No I am saying that with good health and good education the food, clothing and shelter will follow as a natural result of the well educated and healthy person being able to provide for himself and his family. It isn't one or the other. They are not mutually exclusive
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
What happens in "Every Other Country" isn't our concern. Lot's of things happen in other countries that violate human Liberty. We here in the US decided to have a country that valued personal Liberty over Safety and security. That's why millions came here....for a chance to be free. With that Liberty comes PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. We are NOT a collective....we are a nation of INDIVIDUALS.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Once again ehtnocentric nonsense. If you have been to INS lately you will notice a severe lack of appllicants from other first world countries. Euopeans and people from other 1st world countries stopped coming here en mass about 100 years ago. Now it's people from the third world. What do you think that means?
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000
Yes, I agree. The reason for this is the MASSIVE interference from a MASSIVE government. High Taxes, extreme regulation, the loss of personal Liberty, you can't keep the fruits of your labors, AND.....a state of perpetual military warfare.
THAT is the reason for the slowdown from Europe.
However, it hasn't slowed the wave of Latino immigration
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation you make my point for me, Western Europe and the rest of the 1st world have goverments that are far more involved in society, what you refer to as government interference. According to what you just said, there should still be a large influx from Europe, there is not though. the reason there isn't is because they are better off than we are. The reason the wave of Latino immigration hasn't slowed much is that Latino countries are 3rd. world countries and they are not better off.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation You prove my point. Europe and the rest of the 1st world have governments that are far more active in society than ours, what you would term government interference. Euros haven't stopped coming because of government intereference, they are used to it and have more of it than we do. They have stopped coming because they are better off than we are. Hispanic countries are 3rd. world countries and the people in those countries do not have it as good, which is why they still come
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
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Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@prozacpacman
Why do you think that a college education is so expensive?? Because government goosed the system to guarantee that ANYONE can go. What USED to make a college degree something worthwhile was that it was difficult to obtain. Since it was difficult to obtain, students worked VERY hard to be their best. Today, most college campuses are nothing more than a social network where fewer than 50% of the students actually learn something. many of the degrees are completely usesless
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Why does it cost only 1000 pounds a semester to go to Oxford or Cambridge or 600 Euros a semester to go to any German university (amongst the best in the world)? Because it is based on ability, not ability to pay.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@prozacpacman
Not only are many of the degrees useless, but the cost is through the roof. It can cost over 500K to become a doctor today. To become a CPA, it can cost upwards of 250K.
Most accountants make less than a plumber or electrician. Save the 250K, go to a trade school and you will earn more...in many cases.
Managers in Accounting firms are made to work round the clock....plumbers ususally wrap up their day before dinner. Don't get me wrong..plumbers work hard...jjust better paid
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation yea, thats a good point.
prozacpacman 1 year ago
Whether we should bailout GM or The Banks shouldn't be decided based on what we think might or might not happen, it should be decided based on principle. The government is not authorized by the constitution to do any such thing. while I like those who crusade for our liberty, I hate it when they argue that the reason we shouldnt do something is because of what might happen. That just leaves the question open of what to do. Just act on principle and let the consequences take care of themselves.
asknudsen 1 year ago
maybe it's just the U.S government that can't deliver any service efficiently.
rdor011 1 year ago
@rdor011 nope, I live in Poland and here is the same, if not worse. Social policy is the worst thing that government can do to the country and it's citizens. But in democracy it's normal thing, that people votes for "free medical care" or "free schools" and that's why I prefer back to monarchy in Europe, where the bad king can be overthrown and replaced, as in democracy rules the crowd. But how you overthrown the crowd?
med2904 1 year ago
@med2904 Majority rules pal. Under a democracy you would have been executed for suggesting that you overthrow the king. Get real please. Problem is you only recently came out of several decades of communism. Which is not the same thing. If social democracy is so bad, why do so many of you choose to move to Germany or England. Social Democracy is not hte same thing as socialism or communism, not at all. Absolute monarchy is the stupidest suggestion I have heard in a long time.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 -
AGAIN, ANOTHER HUGELY MISTAKEN BELIEF. Majority does NOT rule. ONLY a supermajority of 75% of the states rules in this country.....Lawfully, that is. We live in what the founding fathers would call DEMOCRATIC TYRANNY, which the Constitution sought to prevent.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Don't shout, it doesn't make your argument more compelling, but rather less. I was referring to med2904's asinine statement that he would prefer an absolute monarchy (which is what he described) over a democracy. Of course I did just notice I wrote " Under a democracy you would have been executed for suggesting that you overthrow the king" of course I meant monarchy.
I do realize there is such a thing as democratic tyranny, but even that is preferable to absolute monarchy.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
without the people who greed for power and control the people who want money have to engage in transactions that benefit both parties, when government gets big they both conspire to steal from the masses using force
gonadcancervictim 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
This is great. Anyone who has studied the writings and teachings of the Founding Fathers, PARTICULARLY Madison (you know...the guy that wrote the Constitution) will find that they said the PREAMBLE provides ZERO power to the government and that it was merely a descriptive sentence.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
Do you have your eyes closed, are you in denial, are you just a kid, or don't you get out much? Fact.... Nearly 1,000,000 each year declare bankruptcy due to medical bills. Fact.... About 40,000 die each year for lack of health care. Fact.... Pre-existing conditions and caps insurance deny millions needed care. Fact.... Here in the US we spend twice as much per capita on health care but we are ranked anywhere from 17th to 35th.
ReduceGHGs 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
And finally - It's INEXCUSEABLE to not have a major medical insurance policy in place from the time you are 18. That's called "taking care of one's buisness and affairs"
I don't want the government stealing my hard earned money and giving it to whomever they feel deserves free medical care.
That's called THEFT.....and we made that a crime long ago.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
Before that...I had major medical. I used to only earn a gross amount of 600.00 per month...so I was way beneath the poverty level. I found a really inexpensive major medical plan and paid for my own doctor visits....out of my savings.
I ate macaroni and cheese pretty often back in those days.
The system worked FANTASTIC for me and everyone I ever knew.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation How did you manage that? There are health care plans more than 600 dollars.
fashionhistorylover 1 year ago
@fashionhistorylover
You can get major medical for as low as 50 bucks a month.
I paid 80.00 per month, 2K deductible.
If I had a cold, I didn't pay to go to the doctor....rested, drank plenty of fluids, chicken soup....generic - 5 cans for a buck
Sprained ankle - Bought a wrap for 3 bucks,
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation How did you know your ancle was only sprained and that you didn't have muscle, joint, tendon or ligament damage, unless you went to a doctor (in a severe case) there is no way you could know.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@fashionhistorylover if you have
med2904 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
Social Security and Medicare will be repealed either Voluntarily or by Collapse.
They are insolvent.
They are a PONZI Scheme
They can't work, won't continue to work and will cause a major financial crisis within the next 7 years.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
Social Security - BANKRUPT!!
Medicare - BANKRUPT!!
Medicaid - BANKRUPT!!
FDIC - BANKRUPT!!
Fannie Mae - BANKRUPT!!
Freddie Mac - BANKRUPT!!
Amtrak - BANKRUPT!!
Post Office - BANKRUPT!!!!!
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
Civil Service employees ABSOLUTELY DO NOT DO A GOOD JOB. Most of those jobs shouldn't exist. They are protected by federal and state unions and can't be fired for doing a bad job. I have NEVER experienced quick, professional and courteous service from a Government employee. NEVER.
I get it all the time in the private sector.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
ONE FINAL WORD ABOUT THE RUDENESS OF THIS PERSON.
Did everyone notice that he/she called me a name, but didn't argue factually against any point I have made?? That's a marxist/communist tactic. Whether you knew you were using such a tactic or not doesn't matter. DEBATE THE FACTS. I'm thinking you don't know the subject content very well.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs -
First of all, the role of STATE governments, as our Declaration/Constitution were written, is to secure the Life, Liberty and Property Rights of the People. Actually, there were another 22 or so specific rights that went hand in hand with these. So this leaves two serious factual errors with your statements. 1. That if the Federal Government didn't enforce the laws, Nobody would. That renders state and local governments indifferent.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
Free the Nation. Do you personally have a social security card? Do you have a personal bank Account? Do you have auto insurance? Do you have health insurance? If you answered yes to one or more. YOU ARE A SOCIALIST!!!
1mountainlion 1 year ago
@1mountainlion
I am FORCED to have a social security card - Don't want one.
My bank account is between me and whomever I choose to store my money. I don't need or want FDIC insurance. I hate it and it's a scam.
I have auto insurance with a private company.
I have health insurance with a private company
Your comment is rather lacking in intelligence
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation You are never forced!! As far as your private sector of commerce Who do you think regulates the private sector?? As far as lack of intelligence who has to have all that stuff and abides?? You have have admire the system that people created for themselves!!! They trapped themselves as well as your self if you still have or need all that stuff. Your security in exchange for you freedom!!
1mountainlion 1 year ago
@1mountainlion
Well my friend....what are you proposing that we do to Eliminate the Confiscation of our assets and the diminuation of our Liberties by this Government?? What do you propose
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@FreeTheNation Do not participate in their game You can live with out what ever the offer... OFFER, ACCEPTENCE, Their game.. You have worked hard for your things Im sure. But its just stuff.. That is what gets us fear of losing our stuff!!!
1mountainlion 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs Why the capital WE THE PEOPLE? I would like to understand why you like the idea of everyone being controlled not just by a government, but by every person around them. Thats one up on totalitarianism.
tothemax01 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
My final message for this person, and ANYONE who thinks this health care bill is OK is this:
You haven't studied the economic conditions in the US.
You have NO IDEA how the debt is financed and how the bills are paid
You have NO IDEA how bad things will get and you haven't studied the history of the Constitutional Convention.
If you have and you still think it's OK, you are a COLLECTIVIST...which means you are a socialist or communist.
Neither is OK
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
That struggle will be the Collectivism (socialism/communism) against LIBERTY.
As State and local governments become bankrupt, fail to provide services, fail to pay their bills......As the Federal Government deficits Continue to SPIRAL out of control, continue to promise money to poor people in exchange for votes.........
THERE WILL BE A CURRENCY COLLAPSE.
When that happens, the poor people who have been promised so much will resort to violence, as the promises can not be kept.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
The reason why the US became the worlds largest creditor nation is because we were free INDIVIDUALS....not a COLLECTIVE. The founders understood that ALL FORMS OF COLLECTIVISM END IN TYRANNY AND ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. ALL FORMS.
The United States, SADLY, became a socialist country during the FDR Administration and we spiraled out of control from there. The SHAM lasted this long due to the BIRTH RATE and the aftermath of WWII. It is over and there will be a great struggle/
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs
If there weren't so many regulations....like the ones that consider my business being a "FINANCIAL INSTITUTION"......
You see - I'd be able to afford hiring at least 30% more employees.
I am TAXED TO DEATH.
Therefore, I can't afford to hire any further employees. MULTIPLY THIS TIMES A MILLION BUSINESSES OR SO.............
Most people who speak about regulation have never balanced a profit and loss statement or have never run a business.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs Yes freely trading with each other is 'taking advantage' of each other, if you will. It is good. We can and will do better? Well that depends on who wins. And regulated capitalism is a weasel-phrase, meaning 'mixed socialism-capitalism'.
tothemax01 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs -
The Supreme Court will overturn this Legislation based on the Uniformity Clause, the 10th Amendment and a host of other illegal actions within the bill.
Whatever they miss will be dealt with by the people in the upcoming elections.
Whatever they miss will be dealth with by the State Legislatures.
The gravy train is over. Not only will this bill be repealed, so will Social Security and Medicare.
We are DEFINITELY headed for change....just not the type you think.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
Why will your ideas, reinstituted, physically manifest a different society to that of the USSR, where those ideas were prime? The most basic definition of insanity is repeating the same experiment expecting a different result. Obamas beautiful oratory does not alter reality, nor does it overwrite good morals.
tothemax01 1 year ago
I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse.
TheTampTalks 1 year ago
Liberty defends freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Independent of the basis of beliefs. There are great consequences of good people doing nothing, of not standing up for what is right. GO CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY! Stand with us! We are the grass roots for and by the people. America needs our help, stand for the rights of the people! Be involved, our country needs your help
KyleR811 1 year ago
I don't like when he uses "God". Can you use nature?
berlinbrown03 1 year ago
@berlinbrown03 Don't let it bother you, he means the same thing. It's our natural right is the same as "it's our god given right", no diff, just depending on who you're talking to. If it gets us our freedom, i'm ok with it. as long as it is also our god given right to not worship god..
freethinker4liberty 1 year ago
The judge is well-documented on the fact that our rights are Natural rights. He has explained many times about the freedom to worship or NOT to worship.
FreeTheNation 1 year ago
What an incredible show. How does a show like this ever get on the air? Judge Napolitano's days must be numbered, they just can't get rid of him yet as he is too popular. I hope he runs for president.
freethinker4liberty 2 years ago
its funny because most of the people in the republican party dont have healthcare and they still vote against their interests.
bigbody410 2 years ago
@bigbody410 -
Our Rights come from God, not the Government. This matter has been discussed in the major works listed on my sight, so you will have to read them to educate yourself on that matter. God Given rights are the right to your life, the right to your Liberty and the right to pursue your own happiness and retain the fruits of your labor. You also have the God Given right to defend yourself from other people AND the Government. The
2nd Amendment protects all of the other rights
FreeTheNation 2 years ago
@bigbody410
Likewise, Healthcare, food, shelter, chlothing and other goods and services are NOT God Given Rights. Those are PRODUCTS that you may need or want.
I have yet to meet someone who does not have health care. Finally - 80% of Americans are very happy with the system they have...not just republicans or independents.......HENCE the major landslide of politicians that will be removed from office in a few months.
Obama OVER-REACHED on this matter and will be a one termer.
FreeTheNation 2 years ago