And the only thing hollowpoints prove to me is they can zip through apartments quite readily. Know one guy that had a discharge in his and found it 2 apartments down embeded in the neighbor lady's couch. She wasn't amused to say the least. You are responsible for every round you touch off and will do jail time if anyone is injured - full stop.
I think most people are missing the idea of of this type of ammo when they measure its penetration, like with lining up milk jugs. The idea bud is not deep penetration but the disbursement of energy into the victim to send a shockwave to the vital organs for internal bleeding and organ damage.
Think of the mafia style torture, where they put like oranges in a pillow sack and beat someone in the stomach and chest area to rupture internal organs with no bruising on the surface.
@IcarusX72 No thanks I don't care to stake my life on a defensive round based on varmit mechanics. I load my handguns with Hornady XTP, Critical Defense, Remington Golden Saber, and Speer Gold Dot. These are proven rounds on the street with years of LE use. The Extreme Shock is a silly, ridiculously over priced, inherently dangerous round since it far exceeds SAAMI specs even for +P, that could get get you killed. See the box o truth dot com for a real evaluation.
@IcarusX72 Handgun bullets don't cause hydrostatic shock in human beings, the very principle the round is built around, is a myth and junk science. Also, overpenetration of handgun rounds in human subjects is also a myth. What LE carries this? I'll stick to my proven premium JHP rounds that are better stoppers because they penetrate deeply and expand and retain their weight, all of which is required for quick stopping power in human subjects. Good luck with your "gimmick" round there "bud".
@ericr530 I am not advocating this round nor am I paid by them or employed. I am just playing devils advocate, here. What if all the energy of a tradition round that penetrates deep is all of a sudden immediately dispersed in a wider area once it penetrates about 5-6 inches, it is not about knock down power but creating fragmentation and heavy internal impact are to the organs to damage them? Not saying this is what it does but I can understand the argument.
@IcarusX72 First let's correct something. There is no such thing as "knock down power", handgun bullets don't knock a human down to the ground. The ability of a handgun round to incapacitate an attacker is referred to as "stopping power". The FBI, other LE ballisticians, and ammo makers all agree that a bullet that penetrates a human subject deeply, which is absolutely necessary with a mass center shot, expands much larger than it's original diameter and retains much of it's weight is best.
@ericr530 My mistake on terminology, I meant stopping power. Again not trying to be argumentative but trying to talk this thing through to be better understand since I am new to shooting. I like discussions like these to learn. So if a round needs penetration to expand, what if a round fragments everywhere in the body to cause internal bleeding? Would you then say the lethality is higher or lower than a round that goes deep. To me a person can be shot say a shoulder with am expanding round.
@ericr530- So a round can be shot in a shoulder or say in a non lethal place, then the expanding round would be concentrated right? But say a round that fragments in the body into many pieces, would the round be considered more lethal because it is sending shrapnel all over the place and a higher percentage to hit and organ or an artery? Forgive me ignorance, I am asking all this so I can select a hand gun and round to take my first hog hunt soon.
@IcarusX72 A round that penetrates more deeply where most major organs are in the adult human body, that mushrooms violently to expose the razor sharp meplats of a hollow point bullet is what is deadliest, not tiny grains of metallic powder which do nothing. You are new to shooting and you're already going hog hunting? That will require a bit of skill with a handgun in a magnum caliber with a scope. I suggest you hit a range.
@ericr530 Not trying to be argumentative, but the re is an article or a forum excerpt on these rounds on hogs. The shooter said the round he shot in did some massive internal damage once the bullet entered the hog. I don't know about it but I would not like to be shot with it at all. Also, do you know of a round that is made up of like meshed balls that break up in the body and disperses everywhere? I do not know the name of it, it is not like a shotgun load that peppers outside the body.
@IcarusX72 You are thinking about the original Glaser safety slug which was rated very poorly in FBI ballistics testing. For a vast comprehensive testing by the FBI, of many handgun calibers, defensive pistol rounds and how well various brands fared see firearmstacticaldot com In the ES video it doesn't show the hunter actually shooting the Boar with the round does it? I wouldn't want to be shot with a BB gun, what's your point?
@IcarusX72 You simply don't seem to understand the underlying mechanics. Human organs are amazingly resilient. Shallow fragmentation of too lightweight a bullet is never good in a handgun defensive round. These will simply create a shallow temporary wound cavity with little permanent crush cavity and will give your attacker plenty of time to fight with you before he/she bleeds to death, if they even do. One suspect was shot by the Glaser slug three times and lived according to one PD.
WOW I think I might buy a box of 20 now its 40 bucks for 20 rounds but hell if Im defending myself I don't want the attack to continue. Thanks for the post.
Who are the "real world" users of this ammunition? I can't even confirm the U.S. Air Marshals use it. In the close-in mocks I've seen it takes both the good and bad guys out in one fell swoop - but no exit wounds. Both the good and bad guys brains are scrambled.
There is always a new concept that is going to be a huge success; like when I used baking soda to heal a mouth wound. Extreme shock has been proven in the hunting community and in ballistic tests. No wonder Teabaggers can't hear "president" without saying "NOBAMA!" It's time for change!
@jorgensonb78 This will go thru 2 jackets, tear straight through your rib cage, and turn your vitals to scrambled eggs. Frangible bullets>hollow points.
@frenchfrys12 unless you are trying to shoot through anything, or you hit someone from the side...or a million things. frangibles arent widely used because they are only good for use in very specific situations. they will never be duty ammunition.
@labartic Other than training, you use them for close range shooting at unarmored personnel. Sounds like the typical building shootout. One shot at your chest will drop you dead without a scream or moan.
@frenchfrys12 what if your target is wearing a flak vest, or thick winter clothing, or is behind some type of cover? That bullet will fly apart trying to go through the barrier, then perform horribly on impacting the target. Real life always has less than optimal situations. What if you had to shoot a big fat guy, from the side, through a wooden chair? That bullet wouldnt do shit.
Sure under PERFECT conditions it would work great. But when are there ever perfect conditions? give me a break
@labartic You're forgetting that Extreme shock is designed for personal defense. How can you say a winter coat is causing a problem if it can go through a wild boars shoulder blade and hit its vitals? Also when this bullet hits a dense or dry object, fragmentation is LIMITED. It expands to full size when entering your body cavity. That's why this ammo is slightly overpriced. Another reason why Box o truth failed to understand the ammo.
LOL do you work for extreme shock? sounds like the same "blended metal" bullshit from lemas. Magical bullets that can penetrate hard bone AND explode inside soft tissue. Give me a break.
@labartic No, I work at getting my Bachelor's degree now. But I have used it. Simple physics, why do most hollowpoints clog up while penetrating thick clothing?
@frenchfrys12 Hence the new generation of hollow points like Hornady's FTX, which has a polymer filling in the hollow area of the bullet. I can't remember off the top of my head which other ones employ the same mechanism. I know Federal's Hydra-Shok has the rod in the center of the cavity, but I'm not sure of the effectiveness of that.
The old generation of hollow points like Remington's UMC line definitely has some serious reliability issues.
@TheWitnesserer True, even though modern hollowpoints like my favorite Speer Gold Dot are generally more reliable, Extreme Shock still has the most stopping power. That means experienced firearm owners have a big advantage.
@bomber497 No, if the powder they use in this bullet doesnt make it to the vitals it will do no damage.exploding their chest and maybe damaging their sternum doesn't do anything, you must punch serious holes in vital organs.
@jorgensonb78 stick to hollowpoints in a close range subdivision and/or apartment complex and you could be looking back often to make sure Bubba isn't coming to bend you over and collect what he got in trade for a pack of smokes in the slammer.
No thanks. I'll take a proven lead core, copper-jacketed, hollow point. I'll also hunt animals with a humane size round. I wonder how many of these 400+ lb. animals were maimed because of irresponsible hunting... of course, I'd imagine they were canned anyhow.
Furthermore, the box they come in looks like an energy drink... can anyone say POWERTHIRST!!! ?
And how long does it take to clean out the carcass enough to salvage edible meat? ... I don't think frangible bullets are appropriate for hunting any game you intend to eat.
They took the concept of Dense Inert Metal Explosives (DIME) and turned it into bullets. Like the DIME I'd guess this ammo has the advantage of not over penetrating targets and injuring bystanders.
I'll def. be getting some 7.62x25 frangible rounds for my CZ52. Yeah boyeeeee! Oh snap! I really, really better not let the bad guys get my gun away from me then! D:
I ordered some Extreme's for my Glock 45 GAP. Im gonna try my own experiment. Im going to fill a 5 gallon bucket w/ a clear gel & see what happens. I know it's completely unscientific but it will still be interesting to see what happens. I will film it when I have the ammo & go out & test it for myself. Im figuring a couple other things to try this ammo out on & will record that as well. Some say Extreme is crap some say it's good. I'll film everything I shoot at..!
"exactly, a .44 magnum may be said by some to be the most powerful gun in the world, but with these bullets a 9mm easily equals the power of a .44 magnum" -WHAT?!!!! A 9mm with ANY bullet is nowhere near as powerful a round as the .44 magnum.
No. They would likely have time to struggle with you before they bled to death ,especially if they were jacked up on drugs or alcohol, or were a very large and strong person.
@boravw1 Go to the box-o-truth to see the test of this round. Performance was miserable. It ended up with flakes of metal and a plastic ball only penetrated one milk jug.
@ericr530 yes i agree they are fragmentation rounds but 20 shots on the body the person would bleed out. im not pro or con on extreme shock, there are plenty of choices of ammo out there all of which i like. PDX corbon, winchester bonded elite, speer gold dot, hornady critical defense, rem. golden saber, federal hydrashocks, are all great choices when it comes to hollowpoints extreme shock just hype it like Houdini
@boravw1 If you need 20 rounds to sudue an attacker then a cartridge has failed miserably to provide quick stopping power. I use rem. Golden Saber and Hornady XTP and Critical Defense for my weapons. These rounds both offer deep penetration, large expansion- required for a round to be quickly effective. A frangible round isn't necessary for a hangun bullet since the notion of overpenetration is a proven myth.
@ericr530 here is an old story I once heard.... (lawyer) So officer, why did you shoot the person 16 times with your gun? (Officer replies) Because I did not have 17 bullets....
@boravw1 Our sheriffs dept. where I live carries Glock 27 .40 cal and Gold Dots, it's rare they shoot a suspect but the few times they have have been 1 shot stops.
@ericr530 The idea bud is not deep penetration but the disbursement of energy into the victim to send a shockwave to the vital organs for internal bleeding and organ damage.
exactly, a .44 magnum may be said by some to be the most powerful gun in the world, but with these bullets a 9mm easily equals the power of a .44 magnum. and a 50 bmg is pure overkill, in all terms of the word.
is a .32 acp even legal to hunt a boar with, not exactly a powerful round........well at all except to a watermelon, and even then they put up a darn good fight.....crafty melons
Fine go back to your piss ant country and stay there, and remain as you are now,insignificant. BTW Sherlock, if our economy fails,so does every other economy of importance. I'm done here unless someone wants to discuss this way overpriced shitty ammo.
You can't afford anything big because your economy and goverment make everything too expensive and a hassle,another way your goverment suppresses you.
dude im not from Europe. usa invent penis pumps and collagen injections. and u even had to steal some darkies from Africa to put some natural size in those penises. oi and your economy is fucked its all down hill from here. news paper will be a luxury item when it comes to wiping your ars in the near future. U.S.A sux penis
Well said that's why we are the rootinist,tootnist, shootinist, giant brass balled lunitics in the western hemisphere that don't take shit from anybody.
What possible purpose would a frangible .50BMG serve?!! Unless you live on a 10 thousand acre ranch facing droves of charging elephants, the idea of using .50BMG for home defense is ludicrous.
Oh and BTW, shooting a big boar with a .32 cal mousegun is cruel and stupid. Use at least a 9mm or .40S&W. A .243 or .30-30 would be much better though.
Went to that website, it was great,thanks. The test confirmed what I already knew. Like I said a bullet can dump all the energy it wants into a target, but if it doesn't expand,penetrate deeply and stay together it will perform poorly in a human target.
This ammo produces a large nasty temporary cavity but it's penetration and expansion as compared with a conventional jhp bullet is poor. Penetration and bullet expansion= stopping power not raw energy. This ammo also far exceeds Saami specifications in terms of velocity, use with caution especially in older firearms. The serial number is mainly what is used to trace a firearm not tooling marks, this is why it is a federal crime to deface or remove a serial number from a gun.
@jedirifleman Its not a magic bullet, its pretty simple really, thin outer coating that breaks open on impact with heavy metal dust traveling at super sonic speeds through a fleshy body cavity, sounds pretty horrible to me, and I'll bet it would be pretty effective.
its not ment for game animals... its ment for like varmints.... so they can just blow up ... i use them in coyotes ... they hardly damage the pelt ....
Couple of questions: Would this be a bad round for hunting because the bullet would crumble inside the muscle and you might be adding tungston powder to your boar stew? Also, I know frangible are good for home defense; but would these also be good for carry?
it will rip through regular clothes but wont go through ceramic body armor and other kinds. its not armor piercing, the material its made of basically crumbles inside the body causing massive internal damage
no NOT ever SAY that your philosophy is to "shoot to kill"
That's a STUPID statement that will get you convicted of a crime... when ALL you were doing was trying to defend yourself...
instead....
Shoot ..... If ever required, by the circumstances wherein you find yourself, as an unwilling participant, with no safe exit, with a genuine articulatable fear of gross bodily harm or death,
in Texas thats not necessary if they are on your property after dark then yes you shoot to kill and it's perfectly legal
hell here cattle rustling is still punishable by hanging
so if you got an a crook breaking into your house and you tell the cops that you were shootin to kill it's okay because its the law you have the right to use deadly force intentional or not
@thebrassdubliner You're right... it does sound crazy... because it IS. There will ALWAYS be bad people who want to harm others... so there will ALWAYS be a need for means of effective self defense... your utopian dream world will NEVER exist. Facts are facts. "...Hey it works..." is a false statement.. on ALL counts.
man this ammo is so nast i gotta get some for my ar
gonna tell wy friend with his 45 rockin the hydra shocks he's gotta check this shit out so he dosent have to worrie so much about his family gettin hurt
Sorry to be the person to say it, but I've never seen a privately conducted test with Extreme Shock ammo that didn't make it look like utter garbage. Their "fag-face" round failed to expand, let alone fragment, in every test I've seen.
Your money and life are far better off in the hands of Gold Dots, Hydro-Shok or HSTs.
i live in mississippi where you can legally kill someone for being in your yard i wasnt to use rock salt so that it dosent kill them so i can shoot them and then the cops can beat the dog shit out of em and then they can butt fuck by their bunk mate in prison got to let them get the full package
yeah the thing about that is that burglary of habitation is a minor felony and the chances of them going to prison are slim to none unless they are on parol and they will get out after about 6months in county jail not prison no rape no punishment barely at all
i say kill the fuckers to teach him and his friends a lesson
Each round really has different advantages. Depending on the situation. Some owners for example a local gun store owner, has different loads and guns or types of bullets for different situations, now that's planning. For example he might have a 357 for car door penetration sometimes, a fragables other times - in apartments. If your using solids, I would not use a 9mm, but a 45, which is why the US Army prefers 45s. One shot can mean one down, that depends on where you hit & other factors
The US Army phased out the Colt .45 in favor of the 9mm Beretta, actually. The Marines are picking up large numbers of M9s as well. I know quite a few people in the military who do voice their preference on 45, though.
Finally may I suggest a good test would be to aim at some kind of rib carcus from game in front of the geletin, where the bullet strikes the bone first, then goes on it's way into the geletin. That would be a great test to see.
I agree that other ammo might be good as "follow up rounds" in a clip, in the event your engaging with someone who is sideways and need to shoot through their arms to get to the chest cavity and vitals. Perhaps a few of these with JHP's in the clip afterwards.
Also one more point. When I asked about the soft air marshall bullets with bones, asking what they would do if they hit a rib, the answer was they "travel along the bone and find a way into the cavity, then explode inside. This seems to make them pretty ideal for an shock frag round. And a blow to the heart could be like a pre-cardial thump which could stop the heart. Lastly I don't think I'd want to be a bad guy and hope to have my insides repaired after being liquidated by tungstin dust
One gun shop owner that saw personal gelitin tests swears by them. He stated they disperse all the force of the shock inside the body cavity and in the case of a 9mm, since it's hitting at supersonic speed, and the foot pound force with 100% dispersion is greater than a 45 with less dispersed because some goes out and you don't get all the energy; the 9mm hits like a 45.
2nd consider is (for the 9) these are +P rounds. 9mm are supersonic some WWII small supersonic rounds were effective.
the problem with a 9mm is that the bullet is going over 1200 feet per second where as the 45 is only going 800 feet per second. This means that if you shoot someone with the 9mm you have to worry about whats on the other side of the person not so much with the 45.
I know what your saying and generally agree with your argument. I guess it's a case of do some people want to be bothered with owning a 45 and possibly carrying it vs. the 9mm. There are pros and cons of both. Certainly the bigger calibre bullet is better most of the time. If you miss the guy with a 45 or 9mm the bullet hitting the next person would be an issue. As EShock expands so much it won't go through and get the other guy. And what about sheetrock apartment walls?
There are 45's made to be carried such as the Kimber sub compact which has the four inch barrel. But for home defense in my opinion there is nothing better than a youth modle 20 loaded with 2 3/4 6 shot it wont go through walls but it will get your message across.
it has less of a chance of doing damage on the other side than buckshot or a pistol round so all in all its safer for everyone beside your intended target do you know if any company makes a rock salt load for a shotgun i would like to make some but dont want to waste the time if i can go online or to a store and buy some
i was wanting to make some rock salt loads because they probably wont kill anyone so you dont run the risk of getting sued by the faimly for killing their little trouble maker but they will know that they messed up by coming in your house
any "gun" can kill. a .22 caliber isnt weak, its a gun, but not very strong. and these arnt overrated. i love 9mm. i use 22's for fun though. i like empting the clip in like 1 second
a .22 can actually be MORE deadly than other rounds. since it flies super fast and is a small round it can richocet around the body. you can get shot in the shoulder and could find the bullet lodged in your kidney
That is such bull shit!.. I .22 long flies at 1200 fps! and its to light to penetrate with any velocity. A .50 bmg goes 2900 fps and weighs a lot more. a .223 which is only .003 inch larger almost the same size flies at 2300 fps. much more penetration, no? a good pellet gun shoots at 1000 fps. but the projectile is .177 so it's much smaller. Thats the only reason it's not just as deadly.
a .223 is much longer than a .22 and contains more powder. a 50 bmg is a giant shell and bullet, so it needs massive amounts of powder to push that huge chunk of lead through the air. and the .223 i hope penetrates more because its faster. pellet guns that shoot 1000fps usually cost 3x as much as a simple bolt action .22 btw. and to tell how powerful a bullet is weight X velocity = power
The 5.56 flies at 3200 FPS and weigh 55 grain, not 40. within 150 yards, the 5.56 will violently fragment. Not only does the bullet tumble and fragment, it also spins, which means that it will spit jacket and core fragmentsin every direction.
If any of those fragments hit the spine, artery, heart, lungs, or any other important organ, you're in a world of shit.
A surgeon can not patch you up if you have 30 fragments inside of you, in random directions.
when you see ballistic videos the 22 hardly moves, sways up and down, if it hits bone, cheap ammo separates the jacket from the core, that's what they consider "traveling" i find it funny how 99% of the 22 travel rumor is started by someones retarded ass friend "check out my dad's 22 rifle, this shit hits you and it travels from your head to your feet and back then explodes!!!... WOAH!!"
Alsolutely WRONG. The .22 isn't deadly unless it slips between the ribs and hits the heart, if it makes it that far.
.22 Rounds have been known to fail to penetrate the skull, meaning that if the .22 hits a bone it will splinter the bone and stop dead in its tracks, not ricochet.
However, the only SURE kill shots to the torso involve the heart or spine. The spine is, depending on your target's build, up to 1.5 feet from the front, plus the spinal cord has bone on front of it. The heart on the other hand is rather far from the right side, and the arms can be in the way on both sides.
It's basically an unsolvable problem. What we want is the recoil of 22CB, the penetration of .50BMG, and the wound canal of a 2-bore frangible. Sadly, we have to compromise.
0:37, that can't be an extreme shock round, normal .50BMG rounds do this lol
Devorvan 1 month ago
I dont get why you would want powder through your meat anyhow.
LastCrusad3r 3 months ago
Hunting a near 500 lb animal with a 32 acp? Irresponsible and unethical
azn196 5 months ago
0:46 :O its pigsquatch
dirtyfishlongboarder 5 months ago
im so bored
MrClaytable 5 months ago
And the only thing hollowpoints prove to me is they can zip through apartments quite readily. Know one guy that had a discharge in his and found it 2 apartments down embeded in the neighbor lady's couch. She wasn't amused to say the least. You are responsible for every round you touch off and will do jail time if anyone is injured - full stop.
T33V33 8 months ago
lol, hunting 500 lb animals with .32 acp! XD
CrowPollock 10 months ago
Now thats a jam, anyone else keep playing the song and get up and start to dance.
Socomnick 11 months ago
What does everyone think of the Magsafe rounds?
IcarusX72 11 months ago
I think most people are missing the idea of of this type of ammo when they measure its penetration, like with lining up milk jugs. The idea bud is not deep penetration but the disbursement of energy into the victim to send a shockwave to the vital organs for internal bleeding and organ damage.
Think of the mafia style torture, where they put like oranges in a pillow sack and beat someone in the stomach and chest area to rupture internal organs with no bruising on the surface.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
@IcarusX72 No thanks I don't care to stake my life on a defensive round based on varmit mechanics. I load my handguns with Hornady XTP, Critical Defense, Remington Golden Saber, and Speer Gold Dot. These are proven rounds on the street with years of LE use. The Extreme Shock is a silly, ridiculously over priced, inherently dangerous round since it far exceeds SAAMI specs even for +P, that could get get you killed. See the box o truth dot com for a real evaluation.
ericr530 11 months ago
@ericr530 Thanks for the info, I will check it out.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
@IcarusX72 Handgun bullets don't cause hydrostatic shock in human beings, the very principle the round is built around, is a myth and junk science. Also, overpenetration of handgun rounds in human subjects is also a myth. What LE carries this? I'll stick to my proven premium JHP rounds that are better stoppers because they penetrate deeply and expand and retain their weight, all of which is required for quick stopping power in human subjects. Good luck with your "gimmick" round there "bud".
ericr530 11 months ago
@ericr530 I am not advocating this round nor am I paid by them or employed. I am just playing devils advocate, here. What if all the energy of a tradition round that penetrates deep is all of a sudden immediately dispersed in a wider area once it penetrates about 5-6 inches, it is not about knock down power but creating fragmentation and heavy internal impact are to the organs to damage them? Not saying this is what it does but I can understand the argument.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
@IcarusX72 First let's correct something. There is no such thing as "knock down power", handgun bullets don't knock a human down to the ground. The ability of a handgun round to incapacitate an attacker is referred to as "stopping power". The FBI, other LE ballisticians, and ammo makers all agree that a bullet that penetrates a human subject deeply, which is absolutely necessary with a mass center shot, expands much larger than it's original diameter and retains much of it's weight is best.
ericr530 11 months ago
@ericr530 My mistake on terminology, I meant stopping power. Again not trying to be argumentative but trying to talk this thing through to be better understand since I am new to shooting. I like discussions like these to learn. So if a round needs penetration to expand, what if a round fragments everywhere in the body to cause internal bleeding? Would you then say the lethality is higher or lower than a round that goes deep. To me a person can be shot say a shoulder with am expanding round.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
@ericr530- So a round can be shot in a shoulder or say in a non lethal place, then the expanding round would be concentrated right? But say a round that fragments in the body into many pieces, would the round be considered more lethal because it is sending shrapnel all over the place and a higher percentage to hit and organ or an artery? Forgive me ignorance, I am asking all this so I can select a hand gun and round to take my first hog hunt soon.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
@IcarusX72 A round that penetrates more deeply where most major organs are in the adult human body, that mushrooms violently to expose the razor sharp meplats of a hollow point bullet is what is deadliest, not tiny grains of metallic powder which do nothing. You are new to shooting and you're already going hog hunting? That will require a bit of skill with a handgun in a magnum caliber with a scope. I suggest you hit a range.
ericr530 11 months ago
@ericr530 Not trying to be argumentative, but the re is an article or a forum excerpt on these rounds on hogs. The shooter said the round he shot in did some massive internal damage once the bullet entered the hog. I don't know about it but I would not like to be shot with it at all. Also, do you know of a round that is made up of like meshed balls that break up in the body and disperses everywhere? I do not know the name of it, it is not like a shotgun load that peppers outside the body.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
@IcarusX72 You are thinking about the original Glaser safety slug which was rated very poorly in FBI ballistics testing. For a vast comprehensive testing by the FBI, of many handgun calibers, defensive pistol rounds and how well various brands fared see firearmstacticaldot com In the ES video it doesn't show the hunter actually shooting the Boar with the round does it? I wouldn't want to be shot with a BB gun, what's your point?
ericr530 11 months ago
@IcarusX72 You simply don't seem to understand the underlying mechanics. Human organs are amazingly resilient. Shallow fragmentation of too lightweight a bullet is never good in a handgun defensive round. These will simply create a shallow temporary wound cavity with little permanent crush cavity and will give your attacker plenty of time to fight with you before he/she bleeds to death, if they even do. One suspect was shot by the Glaser slug three times and lived according to one PD.
ericr530 11 months ago
@ericr530 Thanks for the information on this.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
just buy HST
fivefourfiveX39 1 year ago
while the whole balistic gel block part looks impressive, doesn't this kind of contaminate the meat and all that?
MatoVuc 1 year ago
That's what I was wondering.
ghotioutofh2o 1 year ago
WOW I think I might buy a box of 20 now its 40 bucks for 20 rounds but hell if Im defending myself I don't want the attack to continue. Thanks for the post.
ZombiePowerDrink 1 year ago
Who are the "real world" users of this ammunition? I can't even confirm the U.S. Air Marshals use it. In the close-in mocks I've seen it takes both the good and bad guys out in one fell swoop - but no exit wounds. Both the good and bad guys brains are scrambled.
kh2hbTV 1 year ago
There is always a new concept that is going to be a huge success; like when I used baking soda to heal a mouth wound. Extreme shock has been proven in the hunting community and in ballistic tests. No wonder Teabaggers can't hear "president" without saying "NOBAMA!" It's time for change!
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
50. BMG just blows it up
Mrsupernoms 1 year ago
Add any amount of denim or encounter a fat guy and these rounds are worthless. Stick to bonded core hollowpoints and you will never look back.
jorgensonb78 1 year ago
@jorgensonb78 This will go thru 2 jackets, tear straight through your rib cage, and turn your vitals to scrambled eggs. Frangible bullets>hollow points.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 unless you are trying to shoot through anything, or you hit someone from the side...or a million things. frangibles arent widely used because they are only good for use in very specific situations. they will never be duty ammunition.
labartic 1 year ago
@labartic Other than training, you use them for close range shooting at unarmored personnel. Sounds like the typical building shootout. One shot at your chest will drop you dead without a scream or moan.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 what if your target is wearing a flak vest, or thick winter clothing, or is behind some type of cover? That bullet will fly apart trying to go through the barrier, then perform horribly on impacting the target. Real life always has less than optimal situations. What if you had to shoot a big fat guy, from the side, through a wooden chair? That bullet wouldnt do shit.
Sure under PERFECT conditions it would work great. But when are there ever perfect conditions? give me a break
labartic 1 year ago
@labartic You're forgetting that Extreme shock is designed for personal defense. How can you say a winter coat is causing a problem if it can go through a wild boars shoulder blade and hit its vitals? Also when this bullet hits a dense or dry object, fragmentation is LIMITED. It expands to full size when entering your body cavity. That's why this ammo is slightly overpriced. Another reason why Box o truth failed to understand the ammo.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
LOL do you work for extreme shock? sounds like the same "blended metal" bullshit from lemas. Magical bullets that can penetrate hard bone AND explode inside soft tissue. Give me a break.
labartic 1 year ago
@labartic No, I work at getting my Bachelor's degree now. But I have used it. Simple physics, why do most hollowpoints clog up while penetrating thick clothing?
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 Hence the new generation of hollow points like Hornady's FTX, which has a polymer filling in the hollow area of the bullet. I can't remember off the top of my head which other ones employ the same mechanism. I know Federal's Hydra-Shok has the rod in the center of the cavity, but I'm not sure of the effectiveness of that.
The old generation of hollow points like Remington's UMC line definitely has some serious reliability issues.
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer True, even though modern hollowpoints like my favorite Speer Gold Dot are generally more reliable, Extreme Shock still has the most stopping power. That means experienced firearm owners have a big advantage.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@jorgensonb78 So are fat guys and denim bullet proof?
bomber497 1 year ago 10
@bomber497
Only against certain exotic ammo types, such as this.
ViciousAloisius 1 year ago
@bomber497 Epic win!
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@bomber497 No, if the powder they use in this bullet doesnt make it to the vitals it will do no damage.exploding their chest and maybe damaging their sternum doesn't do anything, you must punch serious holes in vital organs.
Southern661 10 months ago
@bomber497 no, the fabric plugs the hollow point and ceases bullet expansion
ArmedOkie 8 months ago
@bomber497 No, but they cause low penetration and pre fragmented bullets to stop before possibly reaching vital organs. Wide, but shallow wounds.
Unicorn161 7 months ago
@bomber497 As denim wearing fat guy, I sure hope so.
lionheartinfidel 6 months ago
@jorgensonb78 stick to hollowpoints in a close range subdivision and/or apartment complex and you could be looking back often to make sure Bubba isn't coming to bend you over and collect what he got in trade for a pack of smokes in the slammer.
T33V33 8 months ago
I dont know about powdered ammo, but I DO know about this music, its fucking great!
thehotsixer 1 year ago
No thanks. I'll take a proven lead core, copper-jacketed, hollow point. I'll also hunt animals with a humane size round. I wonder how many of these 400+ lb. animals were maimed because of irresponsible hunting... of course, I'd imagine they were canned anyhow.
Furthermore, the box they come in looks like an energy drink... can anyone say POWERTHIRST!!! ?
maxtolan 1 year ago 6
@maxtolan brawndo
JamesManimal 1 year ago
@maxtolan Be carefull your prey could be ...Chuck Testa.
Talshet 4 months ago
great if your not planning on eating it...
jony1710 1 year ago
By shooting a large animal with hand gun ammo, the point there making is that this is a stopper...not a hunting round....
mike62mcmanus 1 year ago
how you get all that lead out before eating the pig?
manny298 1 year ago
I gotta try these on some Jack rabbits !!!!
geneus23894c 1 year ago
how did the .45 frangible pass through? i thought that wouldn't happen in frangible.
dopemelody 1 year ago
Over-Penetration is uncommon in virtually all "Police" Handgun calibers (9mm/NATO/Parabellum, .38 sp, 45 acp, .32 acp, etc).
Over-Penetration using .357 and .44 in Magnum rounds is slightly more common but not nearly as common as the myths say.
Most cases of Over-Penetration occur when using "Ball" ammo, which is by far the most commonly used ammo in "Military" applications.
Frangible bullets virtually elimnate Over-Penetration and are true Man-Stoppers.
hammerogod 1 year ago
And how long does it take to clean out the carcass enough to salvage edible meat? ... I don't think frangible bullets are appropriate for hunting any game you intend to eat.
hammerogod 1 year ago
wow.. imagine that happening inside your body cavity :O the 308 and 50 bmg
D081 1 year ago
They took the concept of Dense Inert Metal Explosives (DIME) and turned it into bullets. Like the DIME I'd guess this ammo has the advantage of not over penetrating targets and injuring bystanders.
Halobenzene 1 year ago
@Halobenzene Overpenetration of bullets in human subjects is a myth, do a little research to learn the truth.
ericr530 1 year ago
I don't understand what this is for. Is this demonstrating that the jelly stuff is good at slowing bullets?
Looks cool but why does anyone want a big bulletproof sponge?
mikeswbr 1 year ago
@mikeswbr It's called ballistic gelatin, it simulates human tissue.
ericr530 1 year ago
idiota ...
neston24 1 year ago
I'll def. be getting some 7.62x25 frangible rounds for my CZ52. Yeah boyeeeee! Oh snap! I really, really better not let the bad guys get my gun away from me then! D:
d3ejmz 1 year ago
This video is blocked for downloading, plain foolishness, genuine lack of thinking. I will brb after downloading the necessary pgm from CNet.
billhalle 2 years ago
jesus... christ..
MeskrGraffiti 2 years ago
I ordered some Extreme's for my Glock 45 GAP. Im gonna try my own experiment. Im going to fill a 5 gallon bucket w/ a clear gel & see what happens. I know it's completely unscientific but it will still be interesting to see what happens. I will film it when I have the ammo & go out & test it for myself. Im figuring a couple other things to try this ammo out on & will record that as well. Some say Extreme is crap some say it's good. I'll film everything I shoot at..!
coffeejunkie33 2 years ago
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"exactly, a .44 magnum may be said by some to be the most powerful gun in the world, but with these bullets a 9mm easily equals the power of a .44 magnum" -WHAT?!!!! A 9mm with ANY bullet is nowhere near as powerful a round as the .44 magnum.
ericr530 2 years ago
the 50bmg is freakin beastly
drewnickel 2 years ago
No. They would likely have time to struggle with you before they bled to death ,especially if they were jacked up on drugs or alcohol, or were a very large and strong person.
ericr530 2 years ago
@ericr530 not if you shot them with 20 rounds from your XDm
boravw1 1 year ago
@boravw1 Go to the box-o-truth to see the test of this round. Performance was miserable. It ended up with flakes of metal and a plastic ball only penetrated one milk jug.
ericr530 1 year ago
@ericr530 yes i agree they are fragmentation rounds but 20 shots on the body the person would bleed out. im not pro or con on extreme shock, there are plenty of choices of ammo out there all of which i like. PDX corbon, winchester bonded elite, speer gold dot, hornady critical defense, rem. golden saber, federal hydrashocks, are all great choices when it comes to hollowpoints extreme shock just hype it like Houdini
boravw1 1 year ago
@boravw1 If you need 20 rounds to sudue an attacker then a cartridge has failed miserably to provide quick stopping power. I use rem. Golden Saber and Hornady XTP and Critical Defense for my weapons. These rounds both offer deep penetration, large expansion- required for a round to be quickly effective. A frangible round isn't necessary for a hangun bullet since the notion of overpenetration is a proven myth.
ericr530 1 year ago
@ericr530 here is an old story I once heard.... (lawyer) So officer, why did you shoot the person 16 times with your gun? (Officer replies) Because I did not have 17 bullets....
the officer happened to be using Gold Dots :)
boravw1 1 year ago
@boravw1 Our sheriffs dept. where I live carries Glock 27 .40 cal and Gold Dots, it's rare they shoot a suspect but the few times they have have been 1 shot stops.
ericr530 1 year ago
@boravw1 Shot placement is key, a .22LR to the heart will kill far faster than a 9mm to each arm ,both legs and both kidneys and each shoulder.
ericr530 1 year ago
@ericr530 The idea bud is not deep penetration but the disbursement of energy into the victim to send a shockwave to the vital organs for internal bleeding and organ damage.
IcarusX72 11 months ago
So like if you shot someone with one of these all that grain will fuck there shit up and they'll never have a chance to live
mozart116 2 years ago
exactly, a .44 magnum may be said by some to be the most powerful gun in the world, but with these bullets a 9mm easily equals the power of a .44 magnum. and a 50 bmg is pure overkill, in all terms of the word.
drewnickel 2 years ago
damn!!!!! well i want my meat to not be coated with lead particles... i like the barnes lead free bulltes
golfer15963 2 years ago
Yes you probably can't even own guns so why are you here???
ericr530 2 years ago
is a .32 acp even legal to hunt a boar with, not exactly a powerful round........well at all except to a watermelon, and even then they put up a darn good fight.....crafty melons
Oddjob2114 2 years ago
50. BMG ....... HOLY FUCKING FUCK!!!
I will now procede to putsteel plate in the walls of my house, those motherfuckers are W.I.C.K.E.D.
wwjdftw2 2 years ago
You are writing in English therefore you MUST be able to read it!
ericr530 2 years ago
Fine go back to your piss ant country and stay there, and remain as you are now,insignificant. BTW Sherlock, if our economy fails,so does every other economy of importance. I'm done here unless someone wants to discuss this way overpriced shitty ammo.
ericr530 2 years ago
what was that u mumbled. u tried to get the last say with out replying
Brookssteff 2 years ago
You can't afford anything big because your economy and goverment make everything too expensive and a hassle,another way your goverment suppresses you.
ericr530 2 years ago
dude im not from Europe. usa invent penis pumps and collagen injections. and u even had to steal some darkies from Africa to put some natural size in those penises. oi and your economy is fucked its all down hill from here. news paper will be a luxury item when it comes to wiping your ars in the near future. U.S.A sux penis
Brookssteff 2 years ago
Well said that's why we are the rootinist,tootnist, shootinist, giant brass balled lunitics in the western hemisphere that don't take shit from anybody.
ericr530 2 years ago
Europe: no guns, no balls and baby cocks. U.S.A. big guns, big balls and daddy cocks
mrfelix510 2 years ago
U.S.A balls and penis size have been scientifically proven to be the smallest on earth.
use make everything big to compensate for what u cant grow..
Brookssteff 2 years ago
Proven how, we make the most pornography on Earth. I think you Europeans are just jealous because you don't have and enjoy the same freedoms we have.
ericr530 2 years ago
Sadly this is true, How Im glad Im not american born.
adamslurch71 2 years ago
not as glad as we are douche bag
pjicleanair420 2 years ago
Time to make Prosciutto!!!
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
This is even better: Europe,especially UK-no guns way smaller cocks,no balls and your ass is owned by your government.
ericr530 2 years ago
How about this: Europe, especially UK-no guns, way smaller cocks and owned by your govt.
ericr530 2 years ago
america: small cocks big guns
muckdemo 2 years ago
Europe: no guns even smaller cocks.
ericr530 2 years ago
sorry to say i wont trust my life on ammo that is endorsed by ninjas and lighting bolts.....
Acurobot 2 years ago
What possible purpose would a frangible .50BMG serve?!! Unless you live on a 10 thousand acre ranch facing droves of charging elephants, the idea of using .50BMG for home defense is ludicrous.
ericr530 2 years ago
Oh and BTW, shooting a big boar with a .32 cal mousegun is cruel and stupid. Use at least a 9mm or .40S&W. A .243 or .30-30 would be much better though.
ericr530 2 years ago
Went to that website, it was great,thanks. The test confirmed what I already knew. Like I said a bullet can dump all the energy it wants into a target, but if it doesn't expand,penetrate deeply and stay together it will perform poorly in a human target.
ericr530 2 years ago
If you want to know what this stuff really does go to the box o truth . com and look for the extreme shok ammo test.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
This ammo produces a large nasty temporary cavity but it's penetration and expansion as compared with a conventional jhp bullet is poor. Penetration and bullet expansion= stopping power not raw energy. This ammo also far exceeds Saami specifications in terms of velocity, use with caution especially in older firearms. The serial number is mainly what is used to trace a firearm not tooling marks, this is why it is a federal crime to deface or remove a serial number from a gun.
ericr530 2 years ago
rule #1 there are no magic bullets.
rule #2 all manufacturers lie.
rule #3 there is a fool born every minute
who has no idea about rule #1 or #2.
jedirifleman 2 years ago 24
@jedirifleman
So true. And I don't wanna eat deer after shooting with this bullet.
tmtmtmtm2002 1 year ago
@jedirifleman A lot of reviews actually say most of these rounds live up to their name though man; I've watched truck loads.
DRCsyntax 1 year ago
@jedirifleman Its not a magic bullet, its pretty simple really, thin outer coating that breaks open on impact with heavy metal dust traveling at super sonic speeds through a fleshy body cavity, sounds pretty horrible to me, and I'll bet it would be pretty effective.
DystruktoBoi1 1 year ago
shooting boar with a .32 acp???
robin6512 2 years ago
barnes is better
g4gbrooks 2 years ago 2
Looks like it would mess up game meat really bad if you pulled off a bad shot. Why bother?
Christiantodd1 2 years ago
its not ment for game animals... its ment for like varmints.... so they can just blow up ... i use them in coyotes ... they hardly damage the pelt ....
tuttoz 2 years ago
use a .45, because shooting twice is just silly
baconator490 2 years ago 2
ha ha, one shot dropper is the way to go huh buddy.. "hey you, die (bang)"
12GaugeLosAngeles 2 years ago
Couple of questions: Would this be a bad round for hunting because the bullet would crumble inside the muscle and you might be adding tungston powder to your boar stew? Also, I know frangible are good for home defense; but would these also be good for carry?
mojothemigo 2 years ago
HOLY CRAP! and I thought Hollowpoints were bad
supermankicass 2 years ago
sooo how well does this stand up to fabrics/light armor?
Jsimp0487 2 years ago
it will rip through regular clothes but wont go through ceramic body armor and other kinds. its not armor piercing, the material its made of basically crumbles inside the body causing massive internal damage
baconator490 2 years ago
do not "shoot to wound"
do not "shoot to kill"
no NOT ever SAY that your philosophy is to "shoot to kill"
That's a STUPID statement that will get you convicted of a crime... when ALL you were doing was trying to defend yourself...
instead....
Shoot ..... If ever required, by the circumstances wherein you find yourself, as an unwilling participant, with no safe exit, with a genuine articulatable fear of gross bodily harm or death,
... shoot, "TO STOP THE THREAT...".
DuFlux 2 years ago 9
amen.
Jsimp0487 2 years ago
LOL....unless you live in texas....then you can shoot to stop the little fucker from stealing your car sterio. TX=win
evilEKegg 2 years ago
true but
in Texas thats not necessary if they are on your property after dark then yes you shoot to kill and it's perfectly legal
hell here cattle rustling is still punishable by hanging
so if you got an a crook breaking into your house and you tell the cops that you were shootin to kill it's okay because its the law you have the right to use deadly force intentional or not
bobwatters 2 years ago
@DuFlux
Oorrrrr....... If there're no guns, nobody gets shot at all! sounds crazy I know but hey it works
thebrassdubliner 1 year ago
@thebrassdubliner You're right... it does sound crazy... because it IS. There will ALWAYS be bad people who want to harm others... so there will ALWAYS be a need for means of effective self defense... your utopian dream world will NEVER exist. Facts are facts. "...Hey it works..." is a false statement.. on ALL counts.
DuFlux 1 year ago
man this ammo is so nast i gotta get some for my ar
gonna tell wy friend with his 45 rockin the hydra shocks he's gotta check this shit out so he dosent have to worrie so much about his family gettin hurt
bobwatters 2 years ago
The arm-chair warriors come out of the woodwork when this shit plays.
meluvs2shoot 2 years ago 8
haha too true
thebucketmouse 2 years ago
@meluvs2shoot my penis is deadlier
elitesack 1 year ago
dude you totally made reference to the "giant enemy crab" thing
link1987m 2 years ago
Sorry to be the person to say it, but I've never seen a privately conducted test with Extreme Shock ammo that didn't make it look like utter garbage. Their "fag-face" round failed to expand, let alone fragment, in every test I've seen.
Your money and life are far better off in the hands of Gold Dots, Hydro-Shok or HSTs.
Just my opinion based on the facts I've seen.
DarkDoorFilms 2 years ago
sounds like this shit is your thing
RillyMonsterZero 2 years ago
dude look around on youtube this ammo dosent over penatrate and does more damage than a hydro-shock
watch the vid
watch?v=XYHQsQHn8LI
watch?v=9mSYI8mDie8
seriously this is good ammo i would trust my life with it im gonna get some for my ar
those arnt offical tests but still this is good ammo
bobwatters 2 years ago
i live in mississippi where you can legally kill someone for being in your yard i wasnt to use rock salt so that it dosent kill them so i can shoot them and then the cops can beat the dog shit out of em and then they can butt fuck by their bunk mate in prison got to let them get the full package
woods5690 2 years ago
yeah the thing about that is that burglary of habitation is a minor felony and the chances of them going to prison are slim to none unless they are on parol and they will get out after about 6months in county jail not prison no rape no punishment barely at all
i say kill the fuckers to teach him and his friends a lesson
bobwatters 2 years ago
what lesson can they learn if they are dead.........?
CaptainCorndog9 2 years ago
Each round really has different advantages. Depending on the situation. Some owners for example a local gun store owner, has different loads and guns or types of bullets for different situations, now that's planning. For example he might have a 357 for car door penetration sometimes, a fragables other times - in apartments. If your using solids, I would not use a 9mm, but a 45, which is why the US Army prefers 45s. One shot can mean one down, that depends on where you hit & other factors
firecatgreg 2 years ago
The US Army phased out the Colt .45 in favor of the 9mm Beretta, actually. The Marines are picking up large numbers of M9s as well. I know quite a few people in the military who do voice their preference on 45, though.
elmadmaster 2 years ago
Finally may I suggest a good test would be to aim at some kind of rib carcus from game in front of the geletin, where the bullet strikes the bone first, then goes on it's way into the geletin. That would be a great test to see.
I agree that other ammo might be good as "follow up rounds" in a clip, in the event your engaging with someone who is sideways and need to shoot through their arms to get to the chest cavity and vitals. Perhaps a few of these with JHP's in the clip afterwards.
firecatgreg 2 years ago
Also one more point. When I asked about the soft air marshall bullets with bones, asking what they would do if they hit a rib, the answer was they "travel along the bone and find a way into the cavity, then explode inside. This seems to make them pretty ideal for an shock frag round. And a blow to the heart could be like a pre-cardial thump which could stop the heart. Lastly I don't think I'd want to be a bad guy and hope to have my insides repaired after being liquidated by tungstin dust
firecatgreg 2 years ago
One gun shop owner that saw personal gelitin tests swears by them. He stated they disperse all the force of the shock inside the body cavity and in the case of a 9mm, since it's hitting at supersonic speed, and the foot pound force with 100% dispersion is greater than a 45 with less dispersed because some goes out and you don't get all the energy; the 9mm hits like a 45.
2nd consider is (for the 9) these are +P rounds. 9mm are supersonic some WWII small supersonic rounds were effective.
firecatgreg 2 years ago
the problem with a 9mm is that the bullet is going over 1200 feet per second where as the 45 is only going 800 feet per second. This means that if you shoot someone with the 9mm you have to worry about whats on the other side of the person not so much with the 45.
woods5690 2 years ago
Yeah,
I know what your saying and generally agree with your argument. I guess it's a case of do some people want to be bothered with owning a 45 and possibly carrying it vs. the 9mm. There are pros and cons of both. Certainly the bigger calibre bullet is better most of the time. If you miss the guy with a 45 or 9mm the bullet hitting the next person would be an issue. As EShock expands so much it won't go through and get the other guy. And what about sheetrock apartment walls?
firecatgreg 2 years ago
There are 45's made to be carried such as the Kimber sub compact which has the four inch barrel. But for home defense in my opinion there is nothing better than a youth modle 20 loaded with 2 3/4 6 shot it wont go through walls but it will get your message across.
woods5690 2 years ago
#6 will still penetrate drywall. The idea that birdshot won't penetrate drywall is a fallacy.
krazykelley092 2 years ago
it has less of a chance of doing damage on the other side than buckshot or a pistol round so all in all its safer for everyone beside your intended target do you know if any company makes a rock salt load for a shotgun i would like to make some but dont want to waste the time if i can go online or to a store and buy some
woods5690 2 years ago
Yeah, I know what your getting at. I don't know of anyone who makes rocksalt loads though. I just go with #4 buckshot.
krazykelley092 2 years ago
i was wanting to make some rock salt loads because they probably wont kill anyone so you dont run the risk of getting sued by the faimly for killing their little trouble maker but they will know that they messed up by coming in your house
woods5690 2 years ago
I know Sellier & Bellot makes a nice 0 rubber buckshot load. I have a few of those lyin' around. You may wanna check those out.
krazykelley092 2 years ago
man u need to live in texas if they are on your property after dark then they are free game fuck the salt load get the freedom air fang face
bobwatters 2 years ago
"And what about sheetrock apartment walls?"
Thats why God invented Glaser Blue Safety Slugs.
krazykelley092 2 years ago
listen ill take a damn 22 pistol any kill anything or anybody. all this shit is overrated
09erf8330 2 years ago
any "gun" can kill. a .22 caliber isnt weak, its a gun, but not very strong. and these arnt overrated. i love 9mm. i use 22's for fun though. i like empting the clip in like 1 second
Jackassyouth 2 years ago
a .22 can actually be MORE deadly than other rounds. since it flies super fast and is a small round it can richocet around the body. you can get shot in the shoulder and could find the bullet lodged in your kidney
baconator490 2 years ago
That is such bull shit!.. I .22 long flies at 1200 fps! and its to light to penetrate with any velocity. A .50 bmg goes 2900 fps and weighs a lot more. a .223 which is only .003 inch larger almost the same size flies at 2300 fps. much more penetration, no? a good pellet gun shoots at 1000 fps. but the projectile is .177 so it's much smaller. Thats the only reason it's not just as deadly.
griffin66441 2 years ago
a .223 is much longer than a .22 and contains more powder. a 50 bmg is a giant shell and bullet, so it needs massive amounts of powder to push that huge chunk of lead through the air. and the .223 i hope penetrates more because its faster. pellet guns that shoot 1000fps usually cost 3x as much as a simple bolt action .22 btw. and to tell how powerful a bullet is weight X velocity = power
baconator490 2 years ago
The 5.56 flies at 3200 FPS and weigh 55 grain, not 40. within 150 yards, the 5.56 will violently fragment. Not only does the bullet tumble and fragment, it also spins, which means that it will spit jacket and core fragmentsin every direction.
If any of those fragments hit the spine, artery, heart, lungs, or any other important organ, you're in a world of shit.
A surgeon can not patch you up if you have 30 fragments inside of you, in random directions.
Southern661 2 years ago
when you see ballistic videos the 22 hardly moves, sways up and down, if it hits bone, cheap ammo separates the jacket from the core, that's what they consider "traveling" i find it funny how 99% of the 22 travel rumor is started by someones retarded ass friend "check out my dad's 22 rifle, this shit hits you and it travels from your head to your feet and back then explodes!!!... WOAH!!"
12GaugeLosAngeles 2 years ago
Alsolutely WRONG. The .22 isn't deadly unless it slips between the ribs and hits the heart, if it makes it that far.
.22 Rounds have been known to fail to penetrate the skull, meaning that if the .22 hits a bone it will splinter the bone and stop dead in its tracks, not ricochet.
Southern661 2 years ago
After careful consideration and study of this exchange, I can say with certainty that neither of them knows what the fuck they're talking about.
meluvs2shoot 2 years ago
i have heard repots of it ricochetting off someones collar bone and going thru their body and ending up in their knee
weerd2normal 2 years ago
Pause at 30sec right before it changes and you can see the 45acp about to exit.
wedvarn 2 years ago
This ammo is not that good really.
The FBI says that 12" penetration is needed (along with proper placement) for a center-of-mass kill shot.
Extreme Shock ammo doesn't get half that. You'll wound the guy, wound him badly, but unless we're talking about head or neck he might keep on coming.
littlegrabbiZZ9PZA 2 years ago
You're a dumbass
AdamInWonderland 2 years ago
My chest isn't a foot thick...
Koss42 2 years ago 2
Of course not.
However, the only SURE kill shots to the torso involve the heart or spine. The spine is, depending on your target's build, up to 1.5 feet from the front, plus the spinal cord has bone on front of it. The heart on the other hand is rather far from the right side, and the arms can be in the way on both sides.
It's basically an unsolvable problem. What we want is the recoil of 22CB, the penetration of .50BMG, and the wound canal of a 2-bore frangible. Sadly, we have to compromise.
littlegrabbiZZ9PZA 2 years ago
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firecatgreg 2 years ago