@tobygeral Haha yeah right. Dont worry, the political correctness gives Muslims special rights to say and do whatever they want without being punished
@wolverine668 Wolverine-- your posts containing foul swear words will not be approved for posting. Try re-submitting, using civilized language, and I will approve your comment.
Islam needs to be eliminated and made against the law like Nazism. This needs to be done for the good of every person on the planet. Yes even Muslims. It is the most violent, hateful and bigoted ideology. Nazism and Fascism pale by comparison to Islam.
@PrinzeEugene Great-- a Russian standing up for saving the West. You should know what it's like to get the bitter brunt of western political propaganda. Communism in your country has killed more people in the past century than Muslims have though, hasn't it? Did Afghanistan invade Mother Russia, by the way? And how many Muslims were killed by Russia when they were sent to labour/death camps in Siberia?
@PrinzeEugene Actually, it's not a bad argument at all (although I didn't initially make it). "If Communism is evil, Islam must be good" since the West used Islam (the Afghani mujahideen) to help bring down the Soviet Empire. There may very well be some validity to that argument.
I guess you still have some bitterness about the fact that you left Afghanistan with your pants on fire. Come on back if you feel so strongly about combating Islam. We'll be waiting with flowers and candy, promise
@PrinzeEugene Take care of Chechnya and your own 10% Muslim population first, including the Muslim Vulga/Tatar regions (which historically were Muslim khanates that were conquered by Russia). Read "A World Without Islam" by Graham Fuller-- at least you'll like the title. It has an entire chapter on Russia and Islam.
Chechnya needs to be freed from Russian control and isolated as a terrorist entity similar to Gaza. The majority of the Volga Tatars are not religious and are only nominally Muslim so they will abandon their "religion" very easily they already are doing it in droves.
I will read your book if you read "The Farhud: Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust
@PrinzeEugene I don't promise, but I've made a mental note of the book. Many more hundreds of thousands of Muslims such as my uncle fought on the side of the Allies by the way. The Central/Regent Park Mosque in London is a testimony to that-- read up its history.
@Reqrezentin For the same reason there are self-hating blacks, self-hating Jews, etc. There are always hypocrites and "Uncle Toms" in the midst of every group, aren't there?
@TheISACSM "Christianity is a false Roman cult" is also a legitimate belief, but it is not an appropriate slogan or reason to undermine the rights of Christians.
Erm, I'm all for anyone practicing their beliefs, but the point of a public education system is not for the adherence or compliance to ones beliefs. It is a place of education. This goes for all religions and their institutions of faith. If one wants to pray, they can do it outside of school grounds or their local prayer institution.
and all the prophets like Muhammed (s.a.w), Jesus (pbuh), Solomon and so and so on of course. Islam is actually peaceful religion like first obviously there is no compulsion in religion like it mentions in the Koran and you know cause there's free will obviously it's your choice but yeah it is if only they knew but they don't since of the media, etc, etc, etc. And I'm just saying of course.
Do they really think 1 billion or so are satanic or whatever. Probably one day or maybe now they might meet someone who's funny, etc, etc, etc and are just like them and then later on find out they're muslim then what you know I mean. Anyway sry I don't think I explained that properly but yeah they should research first before saying something. Anyway yeah whatever I'm a muslim too but also believe as we're suppose to and do the original bible, torah, gospel, etc, etc, etc
Thanks for putting this together. These biggots and xenophobes need to be exposed and denounced. Sadly, we have a conservative majority government in Canada that is openly hostile towards Muslims and the biggest suck up to the apartheid state Israel to do anything about it.
Far right "Christian" extremists are a real problem. Look at the killer in Norway. Timothy McVeigh. They now have real power within the Harper government and want to impose their values and extremist beliefs on all Canadians. They preach an "end of the world" ideology that views all others as "satanic" and the "enemy".
@TVACdotCA Check your facts. "Killer in Norway or Timothy McVeigh were NOT Christians. They, also unlike those radical Muslims who kill IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD, did not cite Jesus or the Bible or any other religious scriptures to justify their heinous acts.
@TheISACSM You obviously did not read the massive manual that Breivek left behind. It's called "2083: A European Declaration of Independence" and he actually quotes extensively from the Bible, including Jesus in the NT, to justify his violence.
Just b/c Christmas isn't a 'mandatory' pratice, that doesn't mean that we should not feel offended that it is now considered 'politically incorrect', esp. when others are being accommodated. I'm not saying the Lord's prayer should (necessarily) be announced over the PA system, however it's not right that Christian kids who sincerely want to pray should be told that they must leave school property. How would you respond to my comment re prayers after-hours, rather than during the school day?
@MuchFaithAlways I already gave a detailed response to that question. How would Jews feel about postponing the Sabbath to Sunday? (I know Christians didn't have a problem with it, but Jews would).
Thanks for the free publicity. I'm always appreciative of having more people who are willing to link to my research papers so that they get more reader exposure. ;)
It's no longer about prayer rights is it? Obviously some people who have been spreading hate on Islam on the internet have finally gotten the chance to go public. I feel sorry for the other religious groups who some of these people claim to represent! :(
I think everyone should have the right to pray and practice their faith on the streets and in schools in peace and dialogue as long as violence is not encouraged. We are in a free country? I dont like the actions of a lot of those on the above video. I am sorry to all muslims. I wasnt a part of the rally against prayer in schools. I think we need prayer and faith and dialogue in the schools. To me, it would be neat if all could have the opportunity to practice faith in schools.
OMG Ron Banerjee looked like such a jackass in this video. I want to personally thank the reporter who exposed him for the pathetic little clown he is. Those guys heckling the lone girl at 4:20 need to grow a pair of balls. Bunch of grown men picking on a lone teenager. Pathetic.
Rod Francey its funny how he is calling himself Christian well if you are one then where is the peace and respect to others Jesus was talking about in the bible ?
and he talks about taxes ?! also the muslims are paying taxes so he should shut up !!
and finally i want to say this fear of islam or islamphobia must end !!
@YounesBassamTV Since you are addressing Mr. Francey in your posting, (i.e., "well if you are one then where is the peace ...") might I suggest that you actually direct it to him, so that he may properly respond, if he so wishes?
Rod Francey is an idiot; and he does not speak for all Christians, only the smallest fraction. Calling any religion satanic is asinine and should not be entertained.
Ignorance seems to be the only friend of the extreme Christian right, or any extremist group for that matter.
If we are going to be secular, it must be across the board. That being said, if the TDSB opened a prayer center in each school for all who wish to pray, there would be no reason to protest the issue.
@TheInternetWanderer Your third para. is the whole POINT. The Lord's prayer has been forced out of our schools, despite the fact that Canada was founded on Christian principles. So why are special priviledges being given to ANY group? Why are Christian kids from my church being told that if they want to pray, they must leave school property? This is clearly a double standard. PS Name calling is childish and immature, and greatly diminishes ones' credibility in the eyes of others.
@MuchFaithAlways It's all in the way you look at it. Schools are closed on Saturdays, which then allows for Jewish kids to attend Sabbath prayers. Sundays are off, therefore Christian kids can attend (non-mandatory) church services. Fridays are a school day, and therefore Muslim kids cannot do their *required*, mandatory half-an-hour prayers, unless they are willing to miss an hour of class and journey to the closest mosque (think bigger than Valley Park H.S. here).
@tobygeral You're right, we do need to think bigger than Valley Park, b/c this is obviously a big issue. From what I understand, there is no reason that the required half hour practices need to be held during school hours; if this is accurate, wouldn't it be much less of an issue if prayers were held, for example, right after school? It's very threatening and upsetting to those of us who have watched Christianity become 'banned', while others are being given rights that we no longer have...
@MuchFaithAlways Raheel Raza is only half correct in her assessment that the Qur'an (and I would add, hadiths) do not specify that the prayer must be said at 12:30pm, 1:00pm, or 1:30pm sharp. They *do* however have to be said in the early afternoon, shortly *after* the sun has reached its zenith. So during summer, that gives a window between (approx.) 1:30pm-3:00pm. In the winter, around 12:30pm-2:00pm. This is not exact science, but at the same time the prayer can't be deferred to 4:00pm.
@MuchFaithAlways Raheel Raza is only half correct in her assessment that the Qur'an (and I would add, hadiths) do not specify that the prayer must be said at 12:30pm, 1:00pm, or 1:30pm sharp. They *do* however have to be said in the early afternoon, shortly *after* the sun has reached its zenith. So during summer, that gives a window between (approx.) 1:30pm-3:00pm. In the winter, around 12:30pm-2:00pm. This is not exact science, but at the same time the prayer can't be deferred to 4:00pm.
@MuchFaithAlways Raheel Raza is only half correct in her assessment that the Qur'an (and I would add, hadiths) do not specify that the prayer must be said at 12:30pm, 1:00pm, or 1:30pm sharp. They *do* however have to be said in the early afternoon, shortly *after* the sun has reached its zenith. So during summer, that gives a window between (approx.) 1:30pm-3:00pm. In the winter, around 12:30pm-2:00pm. This is not exact science, but at the same time the prayer can't be deferred to 4:00pm.
@MuchFaithAlways Again, it is in the way you look at things. Celebrating Christmas is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. Saying the Lord's Prayer in the morning, over the P.A. system at that, is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. This is the angle that is being ignored. Personally, I have no problem with Christian kids saying the Lord's Prayer (by themselves) in the morning, but I doubt there will be many takers for this 2-minute prayer.
@MuchFaithAlways Again, it is in the way you look at things. Celebrating Christmas is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. Saying the Lord's Prayer in the morning, over the P.A. system at that, is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. This is the angle that is being ignored. Personally, I have no problem with Christian kids saying the Lord's Prayer (by themselves) in the morning, but I doubt there will be many takers for this 2-minute prayer.
@tobygeral Btw, to my understanding, it was Jewish and agnostic groups back in 1988 that had the Lord's Prayer removed, so your side is really venting this on the wrong group of people. My parents, and the parents of all of my Muslim friends, did not object to me and the other Muslim kids reciting the Lord's Prayer in school. I still have it memorized, probably better than many Christians.
@tobygeral I don't believe the issue is about who had the Lord's prayer removed from our public schools. The issue is the fact that Muslims are insisting on breaking these rules that everyone else is abiding by. I personally would be upset with ANY group who is insisting on and beging granted special accommodation, especially (and I know I'm repeating myself), when Christian kids are prohibited from praying privately and on their own time on school property...
Christian kids are not prohibited from praying privately, that is false. If a school does not allow Christians to use some space to conduct their personal prayers then that is a violation of the Charter and the Ontario Human Right's code. If that is the case, then it should be brought up. However, that is not related to Muslims being allowed to pray. Muslims are merely fulfilling their rights. Perhaps because they are more serious about their prayers to God.
If a group of Christians prayed during school hours, there would be lawsuits.
StoogeWatcher 1 month ago
@StoogeWatcher If there were crowds of Muslim protesters advocating that Jewish immigration to Canada be stopped, there would be lawsuits.
tobygeral 1 month ago
@tobygeral Haha yeah right. Dont worry, the political correctness gives Muslims special rights to say and do whatever they want without being punished
wolverine668 1 week ago
@wolverine668 Are you joking? You must be thinking of the Jews, not the Muslims.
tobygeral 1 week ago
@tobygeral Yeah nice cover to ignore the truth. I did not use any foul langauge and I'm quite certainly sure my vocabulary is far greater than yours.
wolverine668 1 week ago
@wolverine668 Are you telling me that you didn't post a message saying "F---- Islam"? Is that what you're telling me?
tobygeral 1 week ago
@wolverine668 Wolverine-- your posts containing foul swear words will not be approved for posting. Try re-submitting, using civilized language, and I will approve your comment.
tobygeral 1 week ago
Islam needs to be eliminated and made against the law like Nazism. This needs to be done for the good of every person on the planet. Yes even Muslims. It is the most violent, hateful and bigoted ideology. Nazism and Fascism pale by comparison to Islam.
PrinzeEugene 2 months ago
@PrinzeEugene Great-- a Russian standing up for saving the West. You should know what it's like to get the bitter brunt of western political propaganda. Communism in your country has killed more people in the past century than Muslims have though, hasn't it? Did Afghanistan invade Mother Russia, by the way? And how many Muslims were killed by Russia when they were sent to labour/death camps in Siberia?
You are a fan of Walid Shoebat. 'Nuff said.
tobygeral 2 months ago
@tobygeral
>> Communism in your country has killed more people in the past century than Muslims have though, hasn't it?
Logical fallacy. If Communism is bad then Islam is good. No no no. I am not an idiot.
I hate both Communism and Islam and see them as both hateful tyrannical ideologies.
Islam must be stopped. Enough is enough!
PrinzeEugene 2 months ago
@PrinzeEugene Actually, it's not a bad argument at all (although I didn't initially make it). "If Communism is evil, Islam must be good" since the West used Islam (the Afghani mujahideen) to help bring down the Soviet Empire. There may very well be some validity to that argument.
I guess you still have some bitterness about the fact that you left Afghanistan with your pants on fire. Come on back if you feel so strongly about combating Islam. We'll be waiting with flowers and candy, promise
tobygeral 2 months ago
@tobygeral
> Actually, it's not a bad argument at all (although I didn't initially make it). "If Communism is evil, Islam must be good"
Maybe for the braindead it's a good argument but not for me. I was 5 years old when USSR invaded Afghanistan and I did not take part in the war.
>> I guess you still have some bitterness about the fact that you left Afghanistan with your pants on fire.
Not at all. I would rather kick the Muslims out of the West. It's a much better solution.
PrinzeEugene 2 months ago
@PrinzeEugene Take care of Chechnya and your own 10% Muslim population first, including the Muslim Vulga/Tatar regions (which historically were Muslim khanates that were conquered by Russia). Read "A World Without Islam" by Graham Fuller-- at least you'll like the title. It has an entire chapter on Russia and Islam.
tobygeral 2 months ago
@tobygeral
Chechnya needs to be freed from Russian control and isolated as a terrorist entity similar to Gaza. The majority of the Volga Tatars are not religious and are only nominally Muslim so they will abandon their "religion" very easily they already are doing it in droves.
I will read your book if you read "The Farhud: Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust
PrinzeEugene 2 months ago
@PrinzeEugene I don't promise, but I've made a mental note of the book. Many more hundreds of thousands of Muslims such as my uncle fought on the side of the Allies by the way. The Central/Regent Park Mosque in London is a testimony to that-- read up its history.
tobygeral 2 months ago
Why would Muslims not like Islam?
Very funny.
Reqrezentin 3 months ago
@Reqrezentin For the same reason there are self-hating blacks, self-hating Jews, etc. There are always hypocrites and "Uncle Toms" in the midst of every group, aren't there?
tobygeral 3 months ago
great video! very well researched. thank you for exposing all the bigots!
waleed2055 4 months ago
"Islam is a Satanic cult" is a legitimate belief, backed by evidence most of all the life of their prophet Mohammed.
TheISACSM 5 months ago
@TheISACSM "Christianity is a false Roman cult" is also a legitimate belief, but it is not an appropriate slogan or reason to undermine the rights of Christians.
tobygeral 5 months ago 5
@tobygeral ?
TheISACSM 5 months ago
Erm, I'm all for anyone practicing their beliefs, but the point of a public education system is not for the adherence or compliance to ones beliefs. It is a place of education. This goes for all religions and their institutions of faith. If one wants to pray, they can do it outside of school grounds or their local prayer institution.
keikoandgilly 5 months ago
and all the prophets like Muhammed (s.a.w), Jesus (pbuh), Solomon and so and so on of course. Islam is actually peaceful religion like first obviously there is no compulsion in religion like it mentions in the Koran and you know cause there's free will obviously it's your choice but yeah it is if only they knew but they don't since of the media, etc, etc, etc. And I'm just saying of course.
ltaIian 5 months ago
Do they really think 1 billion or so are satanic or whatever. Probably one day or maybe now they might meet someone who's funny, etc, etc, etc and are just like them and then later on find out they're muslim then what you know I mean. Anyway sry I don't think I explained that properly but yeah they should research first before saying something. Anyway yeah whatever I'm a muslim too but also believe as we're suppose to and do the original bible, torah, gospel, etc, etc, etc
ltaIian 5 months ago
@ltaIian my dear friend remember the Galilee.The majority does not prove the truth.
SuperMm111 5 months ago
Thanks for putting this together. These biggots and xenophobes need to be exposed and denounced. Sadly, we have a conservative majority government in Canada that is openly hostile towards Muslims and the biggest suck up to the apartheid state Israel to do anything about it.
jmzimmerman1984 5 months ago
Far right "Christian" extremists are a real problem. Look at the killer in Norway. Timothy McVeigh. They now have real power within the Harper government and want to impose their values and extremist beliefs on all Canadians. They preach an "end of the world" ideology that views all others as "satanic" and the "enemy".
TVACdotCA 5 months ago
@TVACdotCA Check your facts. "Killer in Norway or Timothy McVeigh were NOT Christians. They, also unlike those radical Muslims who kill IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD, did not cite Jesus or the Bible or any other religious scriptures to justify their heinous acts.
TheISACSM 5 months ago
@TheISACSM You obviously did not read the massive manual that Breivek left behind. It's called "2083: A European Declaration of Independence" and he actually quotes extensively from the Bible, including Jesus in the NT, to justify his violence.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@tobygeral That does not make him a follower of Jesus. Breivek himself stated that he was NOT a man of faith.
TheISACSM 5 months ago
I didn't see your second response before I had asked that question, my mistake.
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
Just b/c Christmas isn't a 'mandatory' pratice, that doesn't mean that we should not feel offended that it is now considered 'politically incorrect', esp. when others are being accommodated. I'm not saying the Lord's prayer should (necessarily) be announced over the PA system, however it's not right that Christian kids who sincerely want to pray should be told that they must leave school property. How would you respond to my comment re prayers after-hours, rather than during the school day?
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways I already gave a detailed response to that question. How would Jews feel about postponing the Sabbath to Sunday? (I know Christians didn't have a problem with it, but Jews would).
tobygeral 5 months ago
Thanks for the free publicity. I'm always appreciative of having more people who are willing to link to my research papers so that they get more reader exposure. ;)
Epagonizesthai 5 months ago
@Epagonizesthai Thats pretty cheeky, but I approved your comment anyway.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@tobygeral Why didn't you approve MY last comment, I wonder?
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways I think I accidentally clicked on delete; I'm sorry. Please re-send it.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@tobygeral I have re-posted, thank you.
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
the guy from the CHP doesnt make no sense! dude muslims are people who believe in islam! not muslims who dont like islam, wth, is this?
raehah101 5 months ago
@tobygeral the muslim prayers are not only the males, its both males and females. they did it in my school.
raehah101 5 months ago
To the man who was yelling at the young Muslim girls to uncover themselves, while emphasizing their breasts with his hands, SHAME ON YOU! >:(
bellawinx 5 months ago 3
@bellawinx What a disgusting man! Pervert!
After watching the whole video, I fear more hate-speechs, hate-protests, and hate-crimes against Muslims in Canada.
somalification 3 months ago
It's no longer about prayer rights is it? Obviously some people who have been spreading hate on Islam on the internet have finally gotten the chance to go public. I feel sorry for the other religious groups who some of these people claim to represent! :(
bellawinx 5 months ago
I think everyone should have the right to pray and practice their faith on the streets and in schools in peace and dialogue as long as violence is not encouraged. We are in a free country? I dont like the actions of a lot of those on the above video. I am sorry to all muslims. I wasnt a part of the rally against prayer in schools. I think we need prayer and faith and dialogue in the schools. To me, it would be neat if all could have the opportunity to practice faith in schools.
christsforgiveness 5 months ago
@christsforgiveness NOT DURING THE CLASS TIME. SORRY.
TheISACSM 5 months ago
Its all Freud, isn't it? What people tend to attack and hate most about other people are the traits that they themselves carry within them.
CetraTJ 5 months ago
OMG Ron Banerjee looked like such a jackass in this video. I want to personally thank the reporter who exposed him for the pathetic little clown he is. Those guys heckling the lone girl at 4:20 need to grow a pair of balls. Bunch of grown men picking on a lone teenager. Pathetic.
Rohilla313 5 months ago
Rod Francey its funny how he is calling himself Christian well if you are one then where is the peace and respect to others Jesus was talking about in the bible ?
and he talks about taxes ?! also the muslims are paying taxes so he should shut up !!
and finally i want to say this fear of islam or islamphobia must end !!
YounesBassamTV 5 months ago
@YounesBassamTV Since you are addressing Mr. Francey in your posting, (i.e., "well if you are one then where is the peace ...") might I suggest that you actually direct it to him, so that he may properly respond, if he so wishes?
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
Rod Francey is an idiot; and he does not speak for all Christians, only the smallest fraction. Calling any religion satanic is asinine and should not be entertained.
Ignorance seems to be the only friend of the extreme Christian right, or any extremist group for that matter.
If we are going to be secular, it must be across the board. That being said, if the TDSB opened a prayer center in each school for all who wish to pray, there would be no reason to protest the issue.
TheInternetWanderer 5 months ago
@TheInternetWanderer Your third para. is the whole POINT. The Lord's prayer has been forced out of our schools, despite the fact that Canada was founded on Christian principles. So why are special priviledges being given to ANY group? Why are Christian kids from my church being told that if they want to pray, they must leave school property? This is clearly a double standard. PS Name calling is childish and immature, and greatly diminishes ones' credibility in the eyes of others.
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways It's all in the way you look at it. Schools are closed on Saturdays, which then allows for Jewish kids to attend Sabbath prayers. Sundays are off, therefore Christian kids can attend (non-mandatory) church services. Fridays are a school day, and therefore Muslim kids cannot do their *required*, mandatory half-an-hour prayers, unless they are willing to miss an hour of class and journey to the closest mosque (think bigger than Valley Park H.S. here).
tobygeral 5 months ago
@tobygeral You're right, we do need to think bigger than Valley Park, b/c this is obviously a big issue. From what I understand, there is no reason that the required half hour practices need to be held during school hours; if this is accurate, wouldn't it be much less of an issue if prayers were held, for example, right after school? It's very threatening and upsetting to those of us who have watched Christianity become 'banned', while others are being given rights that we no longer have...
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways Raheel Raza is only half correct in her assessment that the Qur'an (and I would add, hadiths) do not specify that the prayer must be said at 12:30pm, 1:00pm, or 1:30pm sharp. They *do* however have to be said in the early afternoon, shortly *after* the sun has reached its zenith. So during summer, that gives a window between (approx.) 1:30pm-3:00pm. In the winter, around 12:30pm-2:00pm. This is not exact science, but at the same time the prayer can't be deferred to 4:00pm.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways Raheel Raza is only half correct in her assessment that the Qur'an (and I would add, hadiths) do not specify that the prayer must be said at 12:30pm, 1:00pm, or 1:30pm sharp. They *do* however have to be said in the early afternoon, shortly *after* the sun has reached its zenith. So during summer, that gives a window between (approx.) 1:30pm-3:00pm. In the winter, around 12:30pm-2:00pm. This is not exact science, but at the same time the prayer can't be deferred to 4:00pm.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways Raheel Raza is only half correct in her assessment that the Qur'an (and I would add, hadiths) do not specify that the prayer must be said at 12:30pm, 1:00pm, or 1:30pm sharp. They *do* however have to be said in the early afternoon, shortly *after* the sun has reached its zenith. So during summer, that gives a window between (approx.) 1:30pm-3:00pm. In the winter, around 12:30pm-2:00pm. This is not exact science, but at the same time the prayer can't be deferred to 4:00pm.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways Again, it is in the way you look at things. Celebrating Christmas is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. Saying the Lord's Prayer in the morning, over the P.A. system at that, is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. This is the angle that is being ignored. Personally, I have no problem with Christian kids saying the Lord's Prayer (by themselves) in the morning, but I doubt there will be many takers for this 2-minute prayer.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways Again, it is in the way you look at things. Celebrating Christmas is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. Saying the Lord's Prayer in the morning, over the P.A. system at that, is not a fundamental or mandatory practice of Christianity. This is the angle that is being ignored. Personally, I have no problem with Christian kids saying the Lord's Prayer (by themselves) in the morning, but I doubt there will be many takers for this 2-minute prayer.
tobygeral 5 months ago
@tobygeral Btw, to my understanding, it was Jewish and agnostic groups back in 1988 that had the Lord's Prayer removed, so your side is really venting this on the wrong group of people. My parents, and the parents of all of my Muslim friends, did not object to me and the other Muslim kids reciting the Lord's Prayer in school. I still have it memorized, probably better than many Christians.
tobygeral 5 months ago
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MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
@tobygeral I don't believe the issue is about who had the Lord's prayer removed from our public schools. The issue is the fact that Muslims are insisting on breaking these rules that everyone else is abiding by. I personally would be upset with ANY group who is insisting on and beging granted special accommodation, especially (and I know I'm repeating myself), when Christian kids are prohibited from praying privately and on their own time on school property...
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways
Christian kids are not prohibited from praying privately, that is false. If a school does not allow Christians to use some space to conduct their personal prayers then that is a violation of the Charter and the Ontario Human Right's code. If that is the case, then it should be brought up. However, that is not related to Muslims being allowed to pray. Muslims are merely fulfilling their rights. Perhaps because they are more serious about their prayers to God.
shadowkill546 5 months ago
@tobygeral I can't seem to find my response to this posting ...
MuchFaithAlways 5 months ago
@MuchFaithAlways Give me some time, man! :)
tobygeral 5 months ago