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@yendytok I'll get my tin-foil hat! Actually- my name originates in Normandy in the 11th century... I'm rightful King of England and France! Oh wait- 2 + 2 = 4, not 3503. Silly me.
He's also related to William IV if I remember correctly. So it may all end in a war of succession between myself and him. Recruiting all good Norman soldiers!
@BertrumPantyshield: But he's decended from an Illegitamate result of a mistress. And as we all know, illegitamate children are exempt from line of sucession along with Catholics
He has lent his support to a plan by local public and civil service union representatives to fight the job cuts. Ultimately he fears as many as 10,000 jobs could be lost in the city.
"We could well be talking about 10,000 jobs which will be £250m out of the local economy, which is virtually the budget of the City Council in a full year. That's how serious the situation is," he told the meeting.
These managers have often read off the shelf pseudo-psychology booklets and think, or pretend, that they can deal with people. They are on enormous salaries plus bonuses, which they earn whether they do a good job or not, bank managers a prime example; most of their salaries get hidden from the tax system, vide next category, and swept onto foreing accounts in bank havens. They often cost the economy huge sums and sit on posh armchairs most of the time.
As the ConLib (!!!) government have creted 1.3m+ unemployed already, most of whom in the PRIVATE sector, I will be posting waste in the PRIVATE SECTOR... as they attack the public sector (Nurses, Policemen, Doctors, Teachers etc.) as wasting money.
1st of all- Private sector managers (smaller case). They have made a career out of knowing nothing about their bisiness, these are people who could not (or didn't want to) take a degree in economics or Maths because their A level results were too low, but could afford a business studies degree. They know nothing (with exeptions, I apologise for the generalisation, exempli gratia the new Sainsbury's Manager) aboput work in general, know nothing about the business.
@Ade76 They go to 'business' meals in posh restaurants, travel 'business' (there must be a reason why it's not called something else) to attend meetings that could be done by video-conferencing if not by email, and often are totally futile. They earn up to MILLIONS a year, their cars are on the company list. Yet they prefer to sack hundreds of people with the excuse that they could go abroad to work, as if they (need to) work at all, and as if we nneded them...
They would do us all a favour if they left. An issue I have with the last Brownite immigration policy is that they stopped categories we don't need in the country (fair enough) but forgot we need an emigration policy to get rid of categories we don't need and are wasting our money. Examplorum gratia sunt bank managers who are using the money Labour was FORCED to spend on banks to save the economy to keep their bonuses and fat salaries while keeping lending to companies and the public down.
Yes because it has got absolutely nothing to do with labour, they did such an amazing job. Any cuts you now have to endure are due to Labours incompetence, we now spend more on debt interest than we do on defence. What has Labours spending achieved? Prison population is soaring, Education levels are dropping and our health system is well behind most of Europe. There are more managers in the NHS than doctors, how the hell can that be right?
@dicknocker2003 Not really. 1- We don't need such deep and fast cuts: yes we are in deficit, yes it's biggish (not even as big as they make out) but the UK does not need to settle it for the next 14 years.
More people in emloyment = more tax revenues = fewer cuts later and smaller deficit, simple
Quick and fast cuts = more unemployment = smaller tax revenue = more cuts to follow.
2- It was the banks that ruined the economy, don't forget 11 years of boom.
@dicknocker2003 And let's see what Labour did in the crisis, they kept unemployment and inflation down... Do we remember what happened in the 80s with a Tory government? Unemployment and inflation yup to 10%... Well, we will remember soon, because they are doing exactly the same thing.
It was not the public sector that damaged the economy, it was the private!!! The public purse saved it.
That was another situation where Labour fucked things up and the Conservatives had to pick up the pieces. Even with these cuts we will still have an annual deficit of £148 billion in 2010/11, yet you think we should just let this continue to build? Labour were borrowing tens of billions way before the banking crisis. We will never produce a surplus big enough to be able to repay this borrowing without some cuts and common sense in the public sector.
@dicknocker2003 As to prison poulation soaring, yes, there's a point there, yet 1- crime has fallen 30% under labour, 2- there was no rehabilitation before Labour 3- there will be even less rehabilitation now as the Con (!!!) Lib are cutting funds... Ah, forgot... 4- They are cutting the police as well....
This ios really a good plan for a safer Britain...
And NO, I am a techer, education levels have been rising steadily since Elizabethan Times, sorry, check the figures.
Numerous leaders of business and universities have all said that the standard of employees/applicants they are getting isn't good enough. I have had people work with me that have straight "A's" at GCSE/A-Levels and they aren't anywhere near as intelligent as people who were getting worse results 10 years ago. Grade A's are now so frequent that they are meaningless.
You can easily cut the police budget and keep police on the road by reducing the paperwork that takes up 50% of their time.
@dicknocker2003 That is another issue altogether. I am a teacher, and I do know that 'grade inflation' has affected especially A Levels. As I get quite a few pupils into Oxbridge (I am an Oxford DPhil myself), I understand the concerns of universities, and believe me, I have complained to the exam boards, that are PRIVATE now and have led this inflation... Financial reasons mainly.
However, one will not help the education system by cutting funds... They say 10-20%.
@dicknocker2003 10/20% is already huge, it makes schools unmanageable. But this is ON TOP of the cuts schools have already faced through cuts to local authorities. YES, especially pupils with special educational needs (ah, the weaker ones again) and gifted and talented will not have half the support they have had so far (and redundancies are being made as we speak!!!) This does not fall under the 'education budget', yet it has affected schools enormously already.
@dicknocker2003 And as to Education, schools now are so much better funded than the previous and CURRENT budget... Yes, How do you propose to improve educationby cutting 1 bn from it?
Schools are laying off staff already, you know that? 10% of staff will go this year, more next year... bigger classes.... VERY CLEVER.
And even the cuts for school regeneration (not in the education budget) have already made new unemployed amongst builders and architects, and they've been announced TODAY!
It is a lot cheaper to pay them the dole. Public sector wages and the dole all come from the same tax payer funds, can you not see this?
Maybe we could give every unemployed person a public sector job on £400 a week, that would cut unemployment. Labour threw money at everything but did it such a disorganised and inept way that things didn't get any better. Increase in NHS funding = more managers. Increase in police funding = more worthless PCSO's and pages of paperwork.
@dicknocker2003 You fail to see the point here and you also get facts wrong.
1- Someone on the dole does not contribute to the economy in 2 ways 1- s/he doesn't pay tax 2-s/he buys less therefore shops etc lose revenue.
Yes, I agree blair's push for bureaucracy created useless managers, yet Labur also employed thousands of new teachers, doctors, nurses and policemen. And Brown had laready started cutting dowwn on managers. Cameron is cutting FRONT LINE SERCVICES.
NHS managers have increased by 12% in the last year alone. You fail to see that ,although you obviously do a necessary job, your wages (for example) add nothing to the revenues of the government as the money to pay your wages comes from them in the first place. In fact they will actually lose revenue as a large amount of the money you spend will go towards the profit of private company's(an element of which will be taxed). Any tax I pay comes from income from the non public sector.
@dicknocker2003 And he's cutting these services at a rate that will make our life a misery for decades to come!
Finally, did you see that interview with a PRIVATE owner of a building company who were one of the many that were meant to build new schools? Budget cut, the guy was crying...He will need to either fold or hopefully survive by REDUCING his company.
@dicknocker2003 Finally, Tory economics is basically flawed and we all know that. 1- They PRETEND they don't see that more unemployment NECESSARILY leads to a squeeze in the market, it's a downward spiral.
2- They PRETEND the private and public sector are completely different entities. There is an osmosis betwen the two. Cut the public severelly and the private WILL suffer. No one is saying Labour were perfect, but they saved our arses!
@dicknocker2003 A final point. Which countries had NO RECESSION? Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc... where the public sector is MASSIVE and tax goes up to 80% of income... Not by chance.
I don't need to say more, let's just see the next quarter's figures. And remember that we got through the biggest recession in 70 years in ONLY 18 months thanks to Brown. It took 10 years with the Tories.
As a chartered accountant, talking to company directors every day, if I told most of my clients "we are out of the recession" they would laugh at me. Supposed growth of 1% in six months ,given what has happened, is nothing. The fact that we "only" borrowed £16 billion last month was treated like good news.
All of these directors, i.e. the people that actually generate wealth in the economy, all see what a mess the country's finances are in and that drastic action is needed.
@dicknocker2003 Are you watching the news? Coventry: 10,000 unemployed due to cuts= city is bankrupt.
even the Tories are rebelling against the cuts.
As a chartered accountant, you should understand that for your company to make money, someone will have to buy their goods, and if 1.3 (which I think is conservative by far) extra unemployed are around, people will buy less from you and you will lose money!
@dicknocker2003 And if it's hard to get, imagine you have a corner shop, and unemployment in your area goes up by 50% in a year (this is already afoot), and people will have fewer services, therefore spend more on them.
How do you think they will afford to buy that extra tin of tuna from you? You will lose money, and YOU will pay less tax, assuming you survive, and how is this going to help the deficit? Let's stop pretending. Only ignorauses can be blind to what's happening.
As I have mentioned before If these people are being paid by the government as public sector workers or private sector workers on public sector projects then they are not generating any additional revenue for the government. They won't be paying tax to the government but the government won't be paying their wages/project costs, which will be considerably higher than the tax they pay
Ultimately they won't be helping to narrow the deficit, the ultimate goal.
@dicknocker2003 Stop going on about the deficit. There are different ways of cutting it, not just cutting services! And it's not a prority! The economy is NOT the deficit, this is obne of the many factors in economy. There is uneployment, tax revenue, inflation, market size, dynamics....
@dicknocker2003 End of Brown's leadership = UK out of recession, economy up, unemployment down. Deficit much smaller than expected (because people were in employment and PAYED TAX my dear). 2011- Unemmployment up to critical lecvels (4-5%, bet), economy in recessioon (hey 50% more people not buying!!!) welfare state crippled.
One thong is sure, this is the END of the Tory and Lib Dems, forever. The alternative will be Labour/ Gereen from nexyt year on. Not perfect, but not monsters!
Just because you only borrowed £20 billion when you expected to borrow £23 billion it doesn't mean that you are doing a good job. Labour managed to turn a healthy surplus into a huge deficit in a time of huge prosperity, how can you possibly defend Labour. We can either have high unemployment or a faster growing debt that will cripple the country for generations to come. Imagine what we could do with the £44 billion of debt interest that we will pay this year.
@dicknocker2003 Ask the BANKS for it if you want, they caused this. The money wasn't borrowed to pay policemen!
But of course we can't, because the public sector depends on the private sector, exactly as vice versa is true.
2nd £20bn is not MUCH, and we don't nEED TO PAY IT FOR 14 YEARS, it would go NATURALLY DOWN IF EMPLOYMMENT WENT UP!!!! I've said this, why do I have to repeat this. The deficit WAS lower than expected BECAUSE employment (in the public sector!) was kept high.
@dicknocker2003 The cohoice is simple. Keep jobs and get money back ffom tax to repay the debt in 14 years!!! While keeping the economy strong, or cut jobs, lose money to pay back the deficit, harm the economy at the END OF THIS YEAR>
There's a gap of about £60bn in the Tory accounts= loss of tax revenue plus expenditure on benefits!
They covered it up by inventing 2.3 million jobs 'TO COME' in the rivate sector, which do not, cannot and will not exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@dicknocker2003 You know why? In 10 years of LABOUR boom, the private secor manages 1.3 million jobs (hey, we're losing that number in 1 year, this year!) Second, unemployment = smaller market- fewer jobs. Third, we are double dipping soon.
Plans are to freeze my salary for 5 years, cool I can survive, pretty well, but you know what it means, I won't earn £20K in 5 years, won't spend it, and when YOUR SON looks for a job, sorry, it's a JOB LOST ALREADY.
@dicknocker2003 I'll leave you with a final scenario... One or two years from now, Friday night, you'll be walking down the street, walking, because public transport's been cut. Unfortunately, 1.3 unemployed won't be able to to to the pub, so there will be fewer people in the street, and public employees will go out less, because they had their salaries cut. You look around, how many more pubs will have opened, with fewer people going outt, or will they have closed?
@Ade76 And oops, there are 20% fewer policemen/women around, and 40% of prisoners will have been released, and let's not delude ourselves, there's no money for education, let alone rehabilitation. And some of those 1.3 million unemployed may think they'll need to get money in any possible way... Their benefits have been cut. The latest generation of pupils had a couple of rough years, because school couldn't afford support staff....
@Ade76 And all this because someone told you that those policemen don't go to corner shops, that their public money, well, they don't spend it, nor do teacher, nor do bus drivers, it's only people in the private sector that go to pubs, buy clothes eat pizzas...
DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THEM?
But they put VAT up, yes, that means [people will buy less, and of course, the unemployed will by nigh on nothing... But they won't cost a single penny to the state... WHAT ABOUT THE DEFICIT?
@dicknocker2003 I am a classicist and a man of letters, but even I have read Keynes, the greatest economistt in history, who saved the world from the 1929's crisis... QUOTE: 'YOU HAVE TO SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF A RECESSION'
Now, I don't believe for a moment Clegg and Clogg don't know this. The reality is that Cameron is siply evil and hell bent on destroyng the welfare state. Why? Read around New Conservatism- what Rumsfeld (the devil incarate) created and kept Bush in power. BE ASHAMED!
There are different levels of spending, sensible and ridiculous. Labour opted for the ridiculous. I know several people who have never worked in their life, not because they can't but because they have such an easy life on the welfare state. Why should any tax payer have to fund this? I know of several public sector workers who spend a good proportion of every year off with "stress". It is so difficult to sack them and so expensive to make them redundant they just keep their job.
@dicknocker2003 Remeber ttyhat spending became high (AND NOT RIDICULOUS) because banks, had to be saved. BECAUSE THE PRIVATE SECTOR FAILED THE ECONOMY!!!!!
Sweden's public sector expenditure is more than twice ours in comparison. NO RECESSION!
The US? their expenditure is 1/5 ours... Their national debt 100times bigger, and they went into recession before us!!!!!
If you actually look at Sweden you will see that they aren't in recession as they have purposely reduced any debts over the last decade, something Labour could have learned from. They also have a trade surplus, as opposed to our trade deficit. Sweden had drastic cuts and tax increases in the 90's and their former prime minister has advised us to do the same. I believe they also privatised their banks and later sold them for a profit, something we can hope for.
@dicknocker2003 On this point, it's because they can afford to... Because they have an 80% levy...
Now, the Tories are bent on cutting servioces with the short sighted idea that they can reduce tax by reducing (destroying) the welfare system.
Problem is, imagine they had done this in 2007. We would now be TWICE AS MUCH IN DEBT.. Can you guess why? Becauuse we decent etax revenue, the state could borrow against it and save the banks...
Tax revenues would have been lower but their expenditure would have been much lower, as such they would have had a smaller deficit. We were running a fairly sizeable deficit way before the banking crisis. People also ignore the billions in direct and indirect taxation that the banking sector has paid over the last decade. People moan about bankers bonuses but the state gets 50% of these back in taxes.
@dicknocker2003 Had the Tories been in power, we would have been bankrupt by now, bexcause we would not have had a state rich enough to save the banks...
I am amazed that an accountant doesn't grasp the basic dynamics of economy. You see it as 'boxes' 'sectors'. but you do not see the dynamics between them.
Plus, doo you see that you are saying we don't need a state? Sorry, this is simply not on.
You truely are stupid. How many times do I have to state that we do need the state to the correct extent. The point I have made, around ten times now, is that the public sector has become far too large. This is a view shared by any economist and even the Labour government, hence their 20-30% proposed cuts.
You fail to realise that paying billions to worthless public sector workers over the last few years has now put us in a position where we are having to now cut worthwhile jobs.
@dicknocker2003 Stress? This is no argument at all, it has MINIMAL effect on the economy. And it's a fundamental human right to have healthcare!!!!!
Second, you know why people go off on stress? Because employers want to make their life difficul... Go to the GP, get him/her to sign you are stressed, your employer realise that they cannot argue with a GP and if they are taken to a tribunal, they lose the case straight away.
I was using "stress" as an example of the types of loop holes people use in the public sector. The people I know who used this excuse were not stressed but knew that it is so difficult to get the sack when you are in the public sector. These are often people in admin roles within local government who have no right to be stressed. Just look at average hours worked, days off sick, average pay as a comparison between private and public sector jobs.
@dicknocker2003 2nd... Stress in the public sector: Teachers work on average 70 hours a week. I do more than 100, it's at least 4,000 a year... Doctors and nurses have amazingly stressful jobs, policemen... let's not even get there. On average, a policemen dies 6 MONTHS AFTER RETIREMENT. Soldiers?
You are climbing walls... Let's see, shop keepers? Factory workers? Bankers (yes they can be more stressed...)
In order to do 4000 hours a year you would have to work around 11 hours a day, every day of the year. Given the average 7 hours of sleep, that would leave you with 6 hours free time every day of the year, I think you may be exagerating somewhat. Especially as you appear to be on Youtube by 6.
I know a least 5 teachers, one a deputy head, and I would put their hours at 60 a week at most. Then subtract the 12 weeks paid holiday a year and it is comparable to most private sector jobs.
@dicknocker2003 Yes, 5am till 9pm every day including weeklends. Typical of teachers, get real, this is the public sector. I said 4,000 conservatively.
Second, yes, I am on holiday now, my dear, sort of, still working 5 till 6 on holiday, 11 hours, and have an awful lot to do. I go out once every haldf term... That's the social life of a teacher.
You are an accountant because a Maths techer gave his/her life away for you!!!
And all you can think about is saving a few pennies in tax, your own li
ttle personal gain and you are even ready to insult that teacher who gave his/her life away for you!
But you will pay for it. Becaue selfish Maths is a subtractin by nature! You think about yourself and your filthy wallet and don't realise that what I was tellingf you is that to really save your job, other people need to fill your pocket!
But no! you are ready to let them suffer, and you've never managed to understand Maths well enough to see that they will have to stop paying YOUR salary because of YOUR selfishness.
Check a Gereek word: nemesis. Maths= Philosophy.
You have sentenced yourself, I have just been called to pronounce your sentence.
this is the role of the intelligentia. I'm here to help you, but if yoyu are rotten, my job is to pronounce your sentence:
Public sector workers have no grasp on the economy. Pretty much every private sector company I deal with has made redundancies over the last 18 months, mine included. Unlike public sector workers we realise this is a necessary thing.
Bullshit. I have two teachers in my family and I know four other teachers socially. They do work about 10-11 hours during the week but not during weekends or holidays. The only people who think teachers work hard are ... teachers.
@dicknocker2003 And you can't count the 14 weeks holiday... Easter, I had about 3,000 pages to mark and annotate and present to examiners only for my year 11 boys, I also have a year 10 boys' class, 2 year 12s, 2 year 13s... 2 Latin classes...
Do you READ 3,000 pages in a year? I forgot, I also read abvout 300 books a year (yes, part of preparing lectures).
Don't even think abvout xcommenting on how much we work. I have renounced t6o my life to teach.
NEVER question the vocation and commitment of a teacher/doctor/nurse!!
This is what is destroying our society!!! This is a moral issue!
A nurse on 14K a year has a social standing 20 billion times higher than a shitty accountant on a million pounds!!
SHAME ON YOU!
We are here to zsave your and you children's lives. If you don't appreciate it, do without doctors, nurses and teachers. And stick your money up your arse when it gets cancer!
How DARE YOU!!! That's your problem! you donm't understand the value of teachers/ nurses/ and doctors/ policemen/ soldiers/ street cleaners!
You DARE do the maths to score a low stinky point! We have give our life for your welfare! And you children's! Show a bit of respect!
You know what, if by mistake your child was one of my stuudents, I'd still give him the best education he's ever had. What do you have to teach him/her? A few sums?
@Ade76 Accountant= someone who thought the beauty of Maths is in profit or failed to do a Maths degree. Maths teacher= someone who knows the beauty and VALUE of numbers and earns less than an accountant to teach his son!
You are using your Math's teacher's gift to you to insult his/her vocation! She/he'd be ashamed of you. Where would you be without your Maths teacher! And here you are, advocating his/ her redundancy, gfor the sake of a little shortsighed profit for yourself!
I would have respect for you if you had a degree in something worthwhile. I have a degree from one of the best universities in the country and I attended a top private school, unlike you I don't feel the need to shout about it when I am losing a discussion. My brother has superior qualifications to you and has written a number of award winning papers, does that mean you are inferior to him? His relate to medicine though, so they actually have some use. He sees these cuts are needed.
No one apart from DLits and Nobel Prizes (one of my teachers, PS: my mentor, he chose me as his pupil for life!) has a hiigher qualification than a DPhil or a Cambridge PhD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the world! Waht is he, a Nobel?????????????
Second: how dare you: a degree in Literature is one of the highest and most difficult (physics can compete). Hey, for 1 exam I had 124 books to study, including The Holy Bible!!
And, last thing, then I need to get on with work (PS, didn't sleep last night, not because I went out, I'm working with a university to ensure good training for teachers... Have to sort it before they break up)
And.. last thing, Greek word = anacoluthon (check it up)- here used to invite you to read betwen the lines KS3 standard...) I did state that there's a difference betwen me being superiopr to you and you being inferior> But you can't read betwen the lines.
State = provide necessary services to the population using tax funds.
At the moment it is
State = give everyone a job, waste as much money as possible.
There are actually 800 jobs going in Coventry, all lost from pointless quango's (another super Labour invention!). It is the head of the council that said "ultimately 10,000 jobs COULD be lost in the city". Given that he is a member of Labour he isn't exactly going to agree with the Conservatives. Maybe you need to look a little deeper.
You haven't actually proven any facts other than your "are superior to me" as you have a PhD that nobody outside of your sector cares about. You also have an unhealthy obsession with mens feet.
You have stated numerous facts e.g. economy of Sweden, job losses in Coventry, the fact that public sector workers contribute to economic growth but I have proven them all to be incorrect and based on little understanding.
You may be clever in your field but outside of it you clearly are clueless
@dicknocker2003 One thing is having different ideas, another is having NO MORALS and conscously acting to harm people to keep one's fat ass in a parliamentary chair.
Clegg and Cameron are CONSCOUSLY and WILLINGLY hurting millions for generations to come because they have no morals, they disgust me.
Hey, I'm not a Tory, but I can support Jonson in London, he's doing a good job. I marched against Blair, signed to impeach him. But Clegg and Clogg disgust me as humanbeings.
I think it is a shame if this affects worthwhile public sector jobs (e.g. police, teachers, doctors etc) but over the last decade there has been a growth in pointless jobs that contribute very little to society. My brother tells me stories of what he sees in the NHS, he had 4 managers over his department and nobody knew what any of them did. They have now sacked two of these people and there has been no notable effect. They pay agency nurses at 2-3 times an hour what a normal nurse costs
@Ade76 Yes they have no morals, becaus ethey know thjey are destroyingf the economy. They studied POLITICS at OXFORD, I know what they have to study to get a degree there. They would not pass a GCSE in economics with such politics, let alone Oxfford....
Thatcher might not have been fully aware of the impact she was having on the economy (yet unemployment and infaltion so high for 11 years should have been a clue). They MUST know.
@Ade76 I'm not saying you are a Tory, and even if you were it would make no difference. But you seem to me articulate, therefore capable of understanding that the Tory (and suddenly new LIb Dem) rhetoric has no validity in economic terms. Simple ptroof is that they didn't even wait a minute to cut, they didn't even read the numbvbers. The cuts are ideologically motivated. They had 14 years to work it out, they slashed in a few weeks! How informed can their decision be?
@dicknocker2003 Stop repeating things you have read in a stupid accountancy manual! You are insulting my intelligence! I told you I'm a DPhil! (That is Oxonian for PhD... with honours, Summa cum Laude= best graduate in the whole of Oxford for that year!)
Most of the people I know that have PhD's are academically intelligent but have little common sense or knowledge of the way the world works. This discussion has done nothing to change my mind.
I don't think I should have a discussion with someone that appears to have a male foot fetish.
Anyway talking to a lot of public sector people is like talking to a brick wall. Why don't you go and strike because "awww they wanna cut our pensions". Just imagine having to have the same sort of pension as every other worker in the country, what a nightmare! I suppose you think that we should plug the black hole of hundreds of billions for public sector pensions using tax payer funds.
You fail to realise that money spent by public sector employess doesn't contribute anything to the economy, it is effectively recycling tax payer money. I know numerous business owners who have been saying that this needed to happen for years. Growth may be up but that hasn't even made a dent in the annual deficit, let's be honest it wasn't hard to get growth based on how bad the months before had been. Growth of around 0.3% is hardly amazing.
@dicknocker2003 What yiou say is ridiculouas! Sorry, basic economy.
Mr John Smith, public sector worker, £20,00 a year.
He saves £2,000, he spends £7,000 (that goes to sho[ps /company = THE PRIVATE SECTOR), he pays £4,000 in tax. That's back into services.
Mr John Smoth, like 1.3 million others, loses job, he COSTS the taxpayer, say £6,000 (in benefits), on £50 a week, only spends £1,000, because he spends it all, yet NOTHIING gets back into te services.
The fact that you can't understand this principle is concerning given that you are allegedly a teacher. John is paid £20,000 by the government, there is no way on earth that the government gets all of that money back in tax, NI, VAT etc. I would envisage that around 50-60% of his pay actually gets paid back to the government, thus the government has effectively lost £8,000-£10,000. A large proportion of the things we buy ultimately come from abroad thus the funds leave this country.
@dicknocker2003 Send me a private message, then I will show you who I AM!!! I'm in the encyclopedias about my work, and you can check where I teach= The best public school in the country (ranks with Rugby!)
I don't care about who you are, your pointless qualifications or where you teach. Why do you need these "amazing" qualifications if you are only teaching GCSE and A-Levels? Overqualified and overpaid, problem of the public sector.
A PhD in Physics is actually useful, one in literature is not.
Academic qualifications mean very little to me. I know numerous people that have very few qualifications but they own large companies that employ a lot of people, that is what the country needs.
@dicknocker2003 How funny, I am a man of letters and explaining basic numbers to you.
That says a lot about your education.
Shall we have a literary conversation and see how you cope?
Yes, it will leave the country thanks to Tory policies: they got rid of our manufacturing industry! Just to hit the workers! They have flawed our economy!
How dare you say allegedly?
I think my brains are self-evident (from Latin e-vido ex- vido see outside, etimology... Chek in dictionary!)
@dicknocker2003 You see why private sector workers are losing their jobs FIRST!!!!
The funds leave this country, but funds also come in through finance and (yes, even education). That's all Labour had to play on given the demise of the manufacturing industry that carries the Tory ideological signature of Baroness Thatcher (at least I was born in the upper class).
Private sector workers are losing their jobs first as it is far easier to get rid of them compared to public sector workers. It is beyond belief that you, unlike the other 99% of the country and its leaders, can't see the huge waste in the public sector. Let's borrow more and more, soon our interest payments will be more than the education budget, you will then be moaning that you have to take a pay cut (like they have done in several other EU countries). You live in a dream world.
@dicknocker2003 You envisage wrong! My calculation of 8 grand tax includes NI and it's prtetty comfortable..
ARE you an accountant? You should work it out pretty easily... Just asking may dear (lower case chek sarura lex).
Sorry, I'm giving you homework because your cultures has, with a euphemism (Ancient Greek word - check it) 'gaps' even I can't 'spare' the time to help on my own.
I forgot... Yours is not a priciple, it's a badly worked out calculation...
You are an absolute idiot, typical of a public sector worker. Someone earns £20,000 they will have tax and NI of around £8,000 deducted, leaving the government with a net deficit of £12,000. Now assume they pay another £1,000 in VAT, net loss of £11,000. The rest of this money will be spent on food, luxuries etc. Any profit on these transactions will be taxed via corporation tax at 21%-28%, let's say another £1,000. Net loss of £10,000. An element of this will go towards paying wages ...
of the private company, let's say another £1,000, net loss £9,000. Given our trade deficit, most things we buy come from abroad, food, electrical goods etc. Although you may pay a UK based organisation for them, they will then pay the majority of this to a foreign company to buy the goods. This will give a tax benefit to the foreign government, not ours. We merely tax the profit element. This isn't a problem it the public sector jobs are needed but there are too many worthless jobs.
@dicknocker2003 Problem is, Maths can't help to sort out your numbers. You need the philosphy of Maths. If you keep 'neglecting' the money a REAL pesron spends on the pricvate sector, therefore contributing to the economy, then, sorry, it's not Maths.
Would you say a nurse is not worth 8K a year? If you consider that a LOSS, I hope you'll tell them when you need one!
And those 8K are recicled into more salaries, therefore keeping the econnomy going.
@dicknocker2003 While the salary of a high flying private sector manahger gets mostly swept onto a hidden foreign account... How does that contribute to the economy?
You don't get the dynamics of economics. There's a whole university exam for you..,. Sorry, you can't take it on moral grounds. Your lecturers would be paid by the state... You think they are a 'waste'.
You are ideologically hiding 12 K out of 20 in your argument.
Andf you ASSUME the 8 k - 1 are not worthwhile spending
Yes but his wages of the private sector manager aren't paid by the government for the 15th time. Plus the fact that would be tax evasion and he would end up in prison. Well of the hundreds of directors I deal with not one is paid via these means, but I am sure a teacher knows far more about it than I do.
Those who can... do.
Those who can't... teach.
Maybe you should try and get a job with the treasury department, we would be bankrupt within a few years.
You appear to not read anything I write. I have now stated several times that there are many crucial roles done by the public sector (teachers, doctors, policemen etc) and then there are a huge amount of other pointless jobs. Do you think you can get this concept into your head? These pointless jobs are taking money from worthwhile departments, but you have no problem with it!
Look at any statistics on public sector growth and you will see it has ballooned with admin and bureaucracy.
Of which, most will be spent by the state on salaries within a year, which go back into the economy, while the state will preserve 40 % (this is tax in the UK, not 50/60%, you SHOULD know, being an accountant, but your job is fiddling with figures, not undderstanding them, not your fault).
Back to priciple = philospohical postulate, not ideology. You are ideologically driven, don't confuse principles with ideology. That's why we NEED men of letters much more than you!
Given that I have used 40% in my example, an illustration not a 100% factual proof, I fail to see your point. Tax is actually at 20%,40% and 50% on salary in the UK, plus NI.
Do you not see that if you spend £8,000 at Tesco's that doesn't all filter back into the government receipts. A huge percentage of what you buy will come from abroad, Tesco pays the foreign company this. This money then leaves our economy. That is the problem we import more than we export.
This is the basic flaw of Tory economics: the stupid belief that people who earn money from the state hide it from the economy. No they buy food, they pay tax, they buy cllothes.
The two secors DEPEND on one another.
Imagine John Smith is a nurse, who will employ the nurse in the private sector? How about teachers? How about Policemen? There is cash flow from the puplic secotor's payroll into the private sector's economy, but there is NO/MINIMAL employment flow.
@dicknocker2003 That you don;t know this, I can believe, that Clegg and Cameron don't know this, is impossible. I went to the saqme university as they did!
I'm a teacher on £50,000 a year, imagine I lost my job (really not the case). Where would my expertise go? How could I spend £20,000 on the dole? How much would I cost? If I found a job in the private sector, how likely wold it be for me to be a teacher? Maybe a rece4ptionist on £15k?
Yet again, that £20,000 you spend comes from the £50,000 the government pays you. As such it is not adding anything to the economy. You are merely taking £50,000 from the education budget and then repaying far less to the government in both direct and indirect taxation. As I have previously stated the role of government isn't to provide everyone with a job. When I pay tax it is purely income for the government as my wages aren't paid by the government.
As I stated I have no problem with necessary jobs, I have a problem with the thousands of pointless jobs that exist. Where I live they set up a new government organisation that was supposed to provide broadband, CCTV and other amenities to local businesses. It cost even small businesses over £1,000 and never achieved anything. They managed to supply intermitant broadband to only 100 businesses at a cost of £1.8 million, i.e. £18,000 per company. Imagine this across the country, waste.
The economy is both public and private sector but it has to be in balance. Look at the growth of the public sector over the last 10 year compared to the growth in the private sector, their is no comparison.
@dicknocker2003 Good luck by the way... I hope you don't lose your job. I don't know how much of your job is funded by public sector people buying your sofas or whatever you do...
But good luck, honestly.
Just do a little research for yourself, how much of your salary depends on having teachers, sdoctors etc... spending for your company.. (Average is 40%)
@Ade76 No one says that the public sector can't be reduced, but these cuts are destroying both sectors. Hey!!! FFS we are talking millions of unemplotyed in a year... Watch the bleeding news!!! 10,000 in Coventtry TODAY! 30,000 builders yesterday!
For an accountant, you are pretty neglectful of numbbers!
For a teacher your use of English is poor, there isn't a paragraph without a spelling mistake. Maybe this is why our education system is now such a joke, the teachers can't even write properly!. These jobs don't just disappear overnight, they are planned cuts over the coming years. 10,000 jobs won't be lost in Coventry, you sir are telling lies. Unless of course the Coventry Eveing Telegraph, sitting next to me, and the BBC are unaware of this.
@dicknocker2003 Can yoyu distinguish betwen a typo and a spelling mistake?
Can you distinguish between a mistake and an error? Typo= mistake due to pressing wrong key, mistake= something done wrong due to hurry or carelessness (I don't have time for you). Error= a 'mistake' done because of lack of knowledge. Mistake= 'error' done because of carelessness or hurry. Get my previous paragraph 2 double consonants = typo.
@dicknocker2003 Please STOP PRETENDING TO BELIEVE (in general) and specifically that I wouldn't know how to spell Coventry or numbers. Ask yourself why, it's related to autism and epilepsy, I'll give you a clue. Plus, teachers do not need to check their typos when marking, it's a very quick exercise for various reasons, students have to do the editing out of respect for the time of teachers. Editing is a student's responsibility (not pupil student).
@dicknocker2003 I've already told you your problem is the same as what I stated I hated in ConLib leaders: pretending they think they are doing the right thing, let alone the fair thing or the honourable thing.
Now,don't get me started on spelling, I can read people's psychology through their spelling mistakes, you really don't want to draw my attention to those, therefore, in your paaragraph above, there is a typo d est properly+ exclamation mark + full stop
@dicknocker2003 The typo is actually an editing oversight which tells me that you have put a lot of effort into it, which I appreciate, as it shows you went back on it to redraft it. (full stops are no where near exclamation marks on the keyboard, which is a very complex system, devised to avoid mistakes yet encourage typos) Now explain to me why Typos doesn't want an e while potatoes does? h/w.
I am very disappointed in seeing that you read the Evening Telegraph
@dicknocker2003 Finally, how funny, their statistics, there are going to be 2.3 m private jobs in the private sector, how, if their announcement of 600,000 public job cuts, means 700,000 private ones diappearing... Notice the flaw of all your /their argument? In their own figures there is the inevitable drop in private sector following the public.
You believe doctors and teqchers don't spend money, yes, but how about the 700,000 priicvate (oh the golden word) workers?
Most of these private sector jobs will be lost due to them doing government contracts, thus their entire income comes from government funds. The government can either cancel the project and save 100% or continue with the project and recover only some of this back in taxes when these people are taxed and spend money.
@dicknocker2003 You dont deserve a reply, no one here believes you, lert's go on privately I have asked you, I have no time for you, you are just showing the Tory ideology of times of old, like Clegg and Clogg. From now on this 'automatic message will go as 'vide' shortened into V (yes, fr Victory as well, read it as you wish, I'm a logastellus, word you cannot find unless you have the Oxford English Dictionary)
I "don't deserve a reply", yet you still give me one. You still haven't managed to correct any of the ficticious economic data that you have earlier stated. e.g. jobs lost in Coventry (800 not 10,000), giving Sweden as an example (a country that is only doing well due to similar public sector cuts in the 1990's) and the fact that you think public sector expenditure magically contributes to economic growth. You are a teacher, thus you don't live in the real world. Don't bother replying.
@Ade76 PS... That was quoting Professor Bailey... in the BBC news, but you preferred to select a small fractioon (jobs going in the QDCA in Coventry) and pretend it's the whole sum...
If the change in the NHS goes ahead then 3,500 jobs COULD be lost by the PCT but a lot of these people will just be transferred to the new GP consortiums and the city council, so the 3,500 figure is a red herring. There will be some losses but not up to this level. Most of the figures going around at the moment are just estimates based on proposals, not confirmed job losses. The £1.8 million for 100 users of broadband that I previously mentioned was from a Coventry Quango.
I suggest that you watch "Britain's trillion pound horror story" on channel 4, it emphasises the point I made regarding public sector jobs not creating wealth.
@dicknocker2003 Bloody great documentary, watched it a couple of days ago. More people (including idiot politicians) need to watch that and watch it dam soon
3,500 jobs in Coventry AND warwickshire, a pretty large area. These are POTENTIAL job losses to try and eliminate unecessary bureaucracy in the NHS. This is only a proposal. Did you see the figures over the weekend? Drug companies increased their prices by up to 1000% in a year and the NHS never argued, they just paid. There are actually 800 jobs going in Quango's, the 10,000 figure came from the Labour Councils estimate that has been criticised. I am from Coventry so I know quite a lot
@dicknocker2003 Forom now on when this 'gentleman's ' answers are self evidently flawed and detrimental to his Tory campaign V will ve shown (automatic message)
@dicknocker2003 WATCH THE NEWS AS WE SPEAK! Cuts to rebuild falling schollols= no cuts in school (public jobs, us who don't spend money, and we can do without teachers, can't we), but the first jobs to go are PRIVATE JOBS in the building industry. Hey, it's 1 billion Pounds in private salaries gone this year... 30,000 jobs, all PRIVATE. This is the periphery of cuts in education, the PERIPHERY IS ALREADY A TOWN PRIVATE UNEPLOYED.
Yet again these are private sector jobs that are funded by public funds, thus not helping to cut the deficit. Labour shouldn't have promised to rebuild everything when they knowingly lacked the funding. Did you see that it took longer to build one school under Labour than the total time it took to build Hong Kong airport. This also includes first reclaiming the land from the sea. Just another example of labours incompetence
@dicknocker2003 We'll add the public sector later ok, as the according to their ideology (and even YOU are buying into it, you sond too clever for that) are not necessary... we don't need teachers and nurses and policemen, do we? As I said, nothing against cutting bureaucracy, I disagreed with Blair on it, but this is not what the ConLib are doing... is it? These are builders? They don't fill in paper do they? 30,000 in a day!
You need to stop viewing the public sector as just teachers nurses etc, far more people are employed in admin and support roles. These are the roles we need to reduce. More managers than doctors in the NHS and more pen pushers than soldiers in the MOD are just two well known examples of this. I know several people who work for the local council and even they admit that there are huge inefficiencies in their departments. They are 30,000 builders paid by the public sector.
@dicknocker2003 I have a lot of time for people who make mistakes, for people who get it wrong. But people that have no moral direction don't deserve my time.
You've wasted my time, I could have helped someone who WANTED TO DO GOOD, you clearly don't.
OK then let's keep wasting all of the tax payers money just so that everyone has a job. Don't worry about the fact that we have the largest debt to GDP in the OECD, we can ignore that. We will just have our credit rating downgraded and end up like Greece. Let's keep spending, look at all the good it has done!
@Ade76 FINALLY, you know ehy Blair vreated paperwork in the public sector? To copy the PRIVATE SECTOR! TARGETS WERE INVENTED AND ARE OK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR BUT ARE CALLED PAPERWORK IN THE PUBLIC ONE? How does this work? My ethos is do the best of what you have. The ex public ethos, now we ghave the private ethos, which is, show that you are worth the money we pay you = targets = bureaucracy.
And please MENTION 1 (!!!!) PRIVATISATION THAT EVER WORKED! WORLDWIDE!
You clearly haven't worked in the private sector. In the private sector it is all about profit and efficiency, any targets that are involved are to achieve these two aims. Labour invented targets and then made a separate public sector branch just to monitor these targets, that is why the Conservatives have scrapped the NHS waiting list targets. People will still be seen bya doctor in a good time but we won't have thousands of people monitoring these pointless targets.
@dicknocker2003 Ah, I haven't worked in ten Private sector? Babes, my family own a whole region of a European state... I've moved away from it, decided to live on 50 K a year and halp people. My family are 800 years old, our family tomb is world herritage centre, Mum's a Great Marchioness, Dad's a Knight, here, you are talking to a Count.
Our land is half the size of Cumbria... My name's though in encyclopedia for MY work, not the shitty money profit crap that you so much believe in.
@dicknocker2003 My family have Imperial (Asburg) connections, my Mother's name is not Marie Therese by mistake...Ok, yet they have taught me to make my own life, to have values. I've never taken a penny from that massive wealth ((excluding Christmas gifts) since I was 18.
I worked (in your private sector) to go to uni. My Mum taught me there's more than profit in life. There are values, there's HONOUR. Yes, an UPPER CLASS VALUE. I loathe les nouvelles riches.
@dicknocker2003 They have sold their soul to the Devil, whaqt do you think, that you can count your pennies to happiness?
I'd rather give people the chance to have opportunities and values and safety in life, than live such a miserable life of uselessprofit which you propose to me.
That's it. You've shown your ideology. Sorry, I think I detest it. You'r e not worth my time. I was wrong, I thought you were mistaken, now I realise, you were not. You simply have no values.
@Ade76 The Mail? Are we joking? Transport? What's happened to fares and what's happened to services? BT? Check your bills. British Gas? Check your bills. Thames water? Check your bills. Italian enargy company? Went Bust. Alfa Romeo... Closed down... Rolls Royce... Went abroad... Public= value for money, private= get someone to make billions out of it.
LET's BE CAREFUL WITH BASIC SEVICES!!!!! Can't you see that this is privatisation from the back door? They are privatising schools!
@Ade76 That's the truth! Privatiosing schools from the back door! Have you got 7K a term to pay for your child's education? Start saving my dear. I teach in a state funded school where we get 95%A-C including English and Maths, sooner or later, these kids will have to fork out 150K to get it (it's an all through school)... All 2,500 of them! Oh sorry, a 95% can't afford it! 30% live on Council Estates... What's their future going to be like with 1 C?
@Ade76 Two tier education system? Started already, and 30,000 private sectors job have gone in the process... I'd rather keep teaching those builders' children for free ang keep their parents' jobs than get even better money (yes, I would get better money in a private school, and do you think they wouldn't employ an Oxford DPhil? £50K a year is nothing... People with a second class BA are on in my year are on £300K in the private sector...). The thing that pisses me off is I made a moral choice.
You do realise that your beloved Labour were also going to reduce capital expenditure on schools by 50%. They also had admitted that cuts of 20-30% would have been implemented, David Milliband admitted this last night in an interview I watched. Private schools are currently suffering and several in my area have actually merged in a bid to survive. I can't think of one large government project in the last decade that has been on time or on budget.
@Ade76 A moral choice to get less money but use my knowledge to help these childen, the risk is that they will tyake this choice away from me... Force me to earn more and only teach priviledged children... This is what I really hate. I chose to be less well off financially but have a better dialogue with my God when I die, they are taking this away from me... I wish Cameron will be there to argue with God whan I die... and tell him he has morals (I'm not formally religius). What will God say?
They have cut capital expenditure on schools so they won't have to sack teachers unecessarily. A lot of these cuts are staggered over the coming years so those 30,000 builders aren't immediately redundant.
Out of curiosity, what do teaching assistants actually do? Do you work with them? They didn't have them when I was at school, are they really needed?
The markets, IMF and many leading economists agree with these cuts.
Canada had far more severe cuts in the 90's and it worked.
Labour has many crimes to answer for, both actual and conceptual. Remember that our EU masters couldn't have foisted their new dictatorship without help. Latterly Labour help, a party more treasonous than even the Tories for landing us in a fully-fledged federal European Bastardstate.
But people are waking up, not with just a little help from the Web.
Click my username or paste title into bar: THINGS CAN ONLY GET LABOUR - WHY THE 'PC' QUISLINGS WILL LOSE THE NEXT ELECTION (SPEECH)
Fucking die Balls you deceitful cunt.
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mellowNdark 10 months ago
Balls is a fucking freak!!! a communist scum bag who doesnt know his ass from his elbow.
creativebollocks 10 months ago 7
Geek fight woooooaaaahh
fiestyoneyouare1 11 months ago
Ed Balls got destroyed! Balls is the most deceitful, sinister two-faced cunt in british politics today. I hope he gets burned.
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yendytok 1 year ago
@yendytok I'll get my tin-foil hat! Actually- my name originates in Normandy in the 11th century... I'm rightful King of England and France! Oh wait- 2 + 2 = 4, not 3503. Silly me.
He's also related to William IV if I remember correctly. So it may all end in a war of succession between myself and him. Recruiting all good Norman soldiers!
BertrumPantyshield 1 year ago
@BertrumPantyshield: But he's decended from an Illegitamate result of a mistress. And as we all know, illegitamate children are exempt from line of sucession along with Catholics
kanenkitten 1 year ago
@kanenkitten who are u talking about, ? cameron
optionsupdate 1 year ago
Balls by name BALLS by nature
SirOneoneselfandone 1 year ago
Accountans- Their job is to help the rich avoid tax (again... not all of them)... and heavily depend of beaurocracy to keep their jobs...
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 From BBC NEWS-- cut and paste...
He has lent his support to a plan by local public and civil service union representatives to fight the job cuts. Ultimately he fears as many as 10,000 jobs could be lost in the city.
"We could well be talking about 10,000 jobs which will be £250m out of the local economy, which is virtually the budget of the City Council in a full year. That's how serious the situation is," he told the meeting.
Can you read at all?
Ade76 1 year ago
These managers have often read off the shelf pseudo-psychology booklets and think, or pretend, that they can deal with people. They are on enormous salaries plus bonuses, which they earn whether they do a good job or not, bank managers a prime example; most of their salaries get hidden from the tax system, vide next category, and swept onto foreing accounts in bank havens. They often cost the economy huge sums and sit on posh armchairs most of the time.
Ade76 1 year ago
As the ConLib (!!!) government have creted 1.3m+ unemployed already, most of whom in the PRIVATE sector, I will be posting waste in the PRIVATE SECTOR... as they attack the public sector (Nurses, Policemen, Doctors, Teachers etc.) as wasting money.
see my other posts for a rationale.
Ade76 1 year ago
1st of all- Private sector managers (smaller case). They have made a career out of knowing nothing about their bisiness, these are people who could not (or didn't want to) take a degree in economics or Maths because their A level results were too low, but could afford a business studies degree. They know nothing (with exeptions, I apologise for the generalisation, exempli gratia the new Sainsbury's Manager) aboput work in general, know nothing about the business.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 They go to 'business' meals in posh restaurants, travel 'business' (there must be a reason why it's not called something else) to attend meetings that could be done by video-conferencing if not by email, and often are totally futile. They earn up to MILLIONS a year, their cars are on the company list. Yet they prefer to sack hundreds of people with the excuse that they could go abroad to work, as if they (need to) work at all, and as if we nneded them...
Ade76 1 year ago
They would do us all a favour if they left. An issue I have with the last Brownite immigration policy is that they stopped categories we don't need in the country (fair enough) but forgot we need an emigration policy to get rid of categories we don't need and are wasting our money. Examplorum gratia sunt bank managers who are using the money Labour was FORCED to spend on banks to save the economy to keep their bonuses and fat salaries while keeping lending to companies and the public down.
Ade76 1 year ago
Cameron's a top bloke and good PM.
MegaSpliffster 1 year ago
@MegaSpliffster LOL!
Explain itin Coventry or Sheffield or to the 1.3m+ unemployed in two months...
The stock market will have to close down soon as well... It only happened in 1939.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 Judging by the number of comments you've made here, may I suggest you get a life? Cheers.
MegaSpliffster 1 year ago
Ed balls it up is a poor politician.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
Thanks for destroying the welfare system and seriously damaging the economy!!!!!!!!
Cameron, you are either evil or stupid, or both!!!!!!!!!!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Yes because it has got absolutely nothing to do with labour, they did such an amazing job. Any cuts you now have to endure are due to Labours incompetence, we now spend more on debt interest than we do on defence. What has Labours spending achieved? Prison population is soaring, Education levels are dropping and our health system is well behind most of Europe. There are more managers in the NHS than doctors, how the hell can that be right?
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Not really. 1- We don't need such deep and fast cuts: yes we are in deficit, yes it's biggish (not even as big as they make out) but the UK does not need to settle it for the next 14 years.
More people in emloyment = more tax revenues = fewer cuts later and smaller deficit, simple
Quick and fast cuts = more unemployment = smaller tax revenue = more cuts to follow.
2- It was the banks that ruined the economy, don't forget 11 years of boom.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 And let's see what Labour did in the crisis, they kept unemployment and inflation down... Do we remember what happened in the 80s with a Tory government? Unemployment and inflation yup to 10%... Well, we will remember soon, because they are doing exactly the same thing.
It was not the public sector that damaged the economy, it was the private!!! The public purse saved it.
Everybody knows this, let's not pretend!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
That was another situation where Labour fucked things up and the Conservatives had to pick up the pieces. Even with these cuts we will still have an annual deficit of £148 billion in 2010/11, yet you think we should just let this continue to build? Labour were borrowing tens of billions way before the banking crisis. We will never produce a surplus big enough to be able to repay this borrowing without some cuts and common sense in the public sector.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 As to prison poulation soaring, yes, there's a point there, yet 1- crime has fallen 30% under labour, 2- there was no rehabilitation before Labour 3- there will be even less rehabilitation now as the Con (!!!) Lib are cutting funds... Ah, forgot... 4- They are cutting the police as well....
This ios really a good plan for a safer Britain...
And NO, I am a techer, education levels have been rising steadily since Elizabethan Times, sorry, check the figures.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Numerous leaders of business and universities have all said that the standard of employees/applicants they are getting isn't good enough. I have had people work with me that have straight "A's" at GCSE/A-Levels and they aren't anywhere near as intelligent as people who were getting worse results 10 years ago. Grade A's are now so frequent that they are meaningless.
You can easily cut the police budget and keep police on the road by reducing the paperwork that takes up 50% of their time.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 That is another issue altogether. I am a teacher, and I do know that 'grade inflation' has affected especially A Levels. As I get quite a few pupils into Oxbridge (I am an Oxford DPhil myself), I understand the concerns of universities, and believe me, I have complained to the exam boards, that are PRIVATE now and have led this inflation... Financial reasons mainly.
However, one will not help the education system by cutting funds... They say 10-20%.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 10/20% is already huge, it makes schools unmanageable. But this is ON TOP of the cuts schools have already faced through cuts to local authorities. YES, especially pupils with special educational needs (ah, the weaker ones again) and gifted and talented will not have half the support they have had so far (and redundancies are being made as we speak!!!) This does not fall under the 'education budget', yet it has affected schools enormously already.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 And as to Education, schools now are so much better funded than the previous and CURRENT budget... Yes, How do you propose to improve educationby cutting 1 bn from it?
Schools are laying off staff already, you know that? 10% of staff will go this year, more next year... bigger classes.... VERY CLEVER.
And even the cuts for school regeneration (not in the education budget) have already made new unemployed amongst builders and architects, and they've been announced TODAY!
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Where is the logic in all this? Getting people on the dole rather than allowing them to work and pay tax?
Remember that public spending finds its way in the private sector. If a school is rebbuilt, there are 20m for the private sector in it.
If trains need new carriages, there are billions for the private sector in it.
THEY ARE STRANGLING THE ECONOMY!!!!
And whho is going to open new business when people don't have money to spend because they have no job?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
It is a lot cheaper to pay them the dole. Public sector wages and the dole all come from the same tax payer funds, can you not see this?
Maybe we could give every unemployed person a public sector job on £400 a week, that would cut unemployment. Labour threw money at everything but did it such a disorganised and inept way that things didn't get any better. Increase in NHS funding = more managers. Increase in police funding = more worthless PCSO's and pages of paperwork.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 You fail to see the point here and you also get facts wrong.
1- Someone on the dole does not contribute to the economy in 2 ways 1- s/he doesn't pay tax 2-s/he buys less therefore shops etc lose revenue.
Yes, I agree blair's push for bureaucracy created useless managers, yet Labur also employed thousands of new teachers, doctors, nurses and policemen. And Brown had laready started cutting dowwn on managers. Cameron is cutting FRONT LINE SERCVICES.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
NHS managers have increased by 12% in the last year alone. You fail to see that ,although you obviously do a necessary job, your wages (for example) add nothing to the revenues of the government as the money to pay your wages comes from them in the first place. In fact they will actually lose revenue as a large amount of the money you spend will go towards the profit of private company's(an element of which will be taxed). Any tax I pay comes from income from the non public sector.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 And he's cutting these services at a rate that will make our life a misery for decades to come!
Finally, did you see that interview with a PRIVATE owner of a building company who were one of the many that were meant to build new schools? Budget cut, the guy was crying...He will need to either fold or hopefully survive by REDUCING his company.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Finally, Tory economics is basically flawed and we all know that. 1- They PRETEND they don't see that more unemployment NECESSARILY leads to a squeeze in the market, it's a downward spiral.
2- They PRETEND the private and public sector are completely different entities. There is an osmosis betwen the two. Cut the public severelly and the private WILL suffer. No one is saying Labour were perfect, but they saved our arses!
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 A final point. Which countries had NO RECESSION? Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc... where the public sector is MASSIVE and tax goes up to 80% of income... Not by chance.
I don't need to say more, let's just see the next quarter's figures. And remember that we got through the biggest recession in 70 years in ONLY 18 months thanks to Brown. It took 10 years with the Tories.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
As a chartered accountant, talking to company directors every day, if I told most of my clients "we are out of the recession" they would laugh at me. Supposed growth of 1% in six months ,given what has happened, is nothing. The fact that we "only" borrowed £16 billion last month was treated like good news.
All of these directors, i.e. the people that actually generate wealth in the economy, all see what a mess the country's finances are in and that drastic action is needed.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Are you watching the news? Coventry: 10,000 unemployed due to cuts= city is bankrupt.
even the Tories are rebelling against the cuts.
As a chartered accountant, you should understand that for your company to make money, someone will have to buy their goods, and if 1.3 (which I think is conservative by far) extra unemployed are around, people will buy less from you and you will lose money!
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 And if it's hard to get, imagine you have a corner shop, and unemployment in your area goes up by 50% in a year (this is already afoot), and people will have fewer services, therefore spend more on them.
How do you think they will afford to buy that extra tin of tuna from you? You will lose money, and YOU will pay less tax, assuming you survive, and how is this going to help the deficit? Let's stop pretending. Only ignorauses can be blind to what's happening.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
As I have mentioned before If these people are being paid by the government as public sector workers or private sector workers on public sector projects then they are not generating any additional revenue for the government. They won't be paying tax to the government but the government won't be paying their wages/project costs, which will be considerably higher than the tax they pay
Ultimately they won't be helping to narrow the deficit, the ultimate goal.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Stop going on about the deficit. There are different ways of cutting it, not just cutting services! And it's not a prority! The economy is NOT the deficit, this is obne of the many factors in economy. There is uneployment, tax revenue, inflation, market size, dynamics....
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 End of Brown's leadership = UK out of recession, economy up, unemployment down. Deficit much smaller than expected (because people were in employment and PAYED TAX my dear). 2011- Unemmployment up to critical lecvels (4-5%, bet), economy in recessioon (hey 50% more people not buying!!!) welfare state crippled.
One thong is sure, this is the END of the Tory and Lib Dems, forever. The alternative will be Labour/ Gereen from nexyt year on. Not perfect, but not monsters!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Just because you only borrowed £20 billion when you expected to borrow £23 billion it doesn't mean that you are doing a good job. Labour managed to turn a healthy surplus into a huge deficit in a time of huge prosperity, how can you possibly defend Labour. We can either have high unemployment or a faster growing debt that will cripple the country for generations to come. Imagine what we could do with the £44 billion of debt interest that we will pay this year.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Ask the BANKS for it if you want, they caused this. The money wasn't borrowed to pay policemen!
But of course we can't, because the public sector depends on the private sector, exactly as vice versa is true.
2nd £20bn is not MUCH, and we don't nEED TO PAY IT FOR 14 YEARS, it would go NATURALLY DOWN IF EMPLOYMMENT WENT UP!!!! I've said this, why do I have to repeat this. The deficit WAS lower than expected BECAUSE employment (in the public sector!) was kept high.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 The cohoice is simple. Keep jobs and get money back ffom tax to repay the debt in 14 years!!! While keeping the economy strong, or cut jobs, lose money to pay back the deficit, harm the economy at the END OF THIS YEAR>
There's a gap of about £60bn in the Tory accounts= loss of tax revenue plus expenditure on benefits!
They covered it up by inventing 2.3 million jobs 'TO COME' in the rivate sector, which do not, cannot and will not exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 You know why? In 10 years of LABOUR boom, the private secor manages 1.3 million jobs (hey, we're losing that number in 1 year, this year!) Second, unemployment = smaller market- fewer jobs. Third, we are double dipping soon.
Plans are to freeze my salary for 5 years, cool I can survive, pretty well, but you know what it means, I won't earn £20K in 5 years, won't spend it, and when YOUR SON looks for a job, sorry, it's a JOB LOST ALREADY.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 I'll leave you with a final scenario... One or two years from now, Friday night, you'll be walking down the street, walking, because public transport's been cut. Unfortunately, 1.3 unemployed won't be able to to to the pub, so there will be fewer people in the street, and public employees will go out less, because they had their salaries cut. You look around, how many more pubs will have opened, with fewer people going outt, or will they have closed?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 And oops, there are 20% fewer policemen/women around, and 40% of prisoners will have been released, and let's not delude ourselves, there's no money for education, let alone rehabilitation. And some of those 1.3 million unemployed may think they'll need to get money in any possible way... Their benefits have been cut. The latest generation of pupils had a couple of rough years, because school couldn't afford support staff....
HOW SAFE WILL YOU FEEL?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 And all this because someone told you that those policemen don't go to corner shops, that their public money, well, they don't spend it, nor do teacher, nor do bus drivers, it's only people in the private sector that go to pubs, buy clothes eat pizzas...
DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THEM?
But they put VAT up, yes, that means [people will buy less, and of course, the unemployed will by nigh on nothing... But they won't cost a single penny to the state... WHAT ABOUT THE DEFICIT?
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 I am a classicist and a man of letters, but even I have read Keynes, the greatest economistt in history, who saved the world from the 1929's crisis... QUOTE: 'YOU HAVE TO SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF A RECESSION'
Now, I don't believe for a moment Clegg and Clogg don't know this. The reality is that Cameron is siply evil and hell bent on destroyng the welfare state. Why? Read around New Conservatism- what Rumsfeld (the devil incarate) created and kept Bush in power. BE ASHAMED!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
There are different levels of spending, sensible and ridiculous. Labour opted for the ridiculous. I know several people who have never worked in their life, not because they can't but because they have such an easy life on the welfare state. Why should any tax payer have to fund this? I know of several public sector workers who spend a good proportion of every year off with "stress". It is so difficult to sack them and so expensive to make them redundant they just keep their job.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Remeber ttyhat spending became high (AND NOT RIDICULOUS) because banks, had to be saved. BECAUSE THE PRIVATE SECTOR FAILED THE ECONOMY!!!!!
Sweden's public sector expenditure is more than twice ours in comparison. NO RECESSION!
The US? their expenditure is 1/5 ours... Their national debt 100times bigger, and they went into recession before us!!!!!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
If you actually look at Sweden you will see that they aren't in recession as they have purposely reduced any debts over the last decade, something Labour could have learned from. They also have a trade surplus, as opposed to our trade deficit. Sweden had drastic cuts and tax increases in the 90's and their former prime minister has advised us to do the same. I believe they also privatised their banks and later sold them for a profit, something we can hope for.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 On this point, it's because they can afford to... Because they have an 80% levy...
Now, the Tories are bent on cutting servioces with the short sighted idea that they can reduce tax by reducing (destroying) the welfare system.
Problem is, imagine they had done this in 2007. We would now be TWICE AS MUCH IN DEBT.. Can you guess why? Becauuse we decent etax revenue, the state could borrow against it and save the banks...
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Tax revenues would have been lower but their expenditure would have been much lower, as such they would have had a smaller deficit. We were running a fairly sizeable deficit way before the banking crisis. People also ignore the billions in direct and indirect taxation that the banking sector has paid over the last decade. People moan about bankers bonuses but the state gets 50% of these back in taxes.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Had the Tories been in power, we would have been bankrupt by now, bexcause we would not have had a state rich enough to save the banks...
I am amazed that an accountant doesn't grasp the basic dynamics of economy. You see it as 'boxes' 'sectors'. but you do not see the dynamics between them.
Plus, doo you see that you are saying we don't need a state? Sorry, this is simply not on.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
You truely are stupid. How many times do I have to state that we do need the state to the correct extent. The point I have made, around ten times now, is that the public sector has become far too large. This is a view shared by any economist and even the Labour government, hence their 20-30% proposed cuts.
You fail to realise that paying billions to worthless public sector workers over the last few years has now put us in a position where we are having to now cut worthwhile jobs.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Stress? This is no argument at all, it has MINIMAL effect on the economy. And it's a fundamental human right to have healthcare!!!!!
Second, you know why people go off on stress? Because employers want to make their life difficul... Go to the GP, get him/her to sign you are stressed, your employer realise that they cannot argue with a GP and if they are taken to a tribunal, they lose the case straight away.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
I was using "stress" as an example of the types of loop holes people use in the public sector. The people I know who used this excuse were not stressed but knew that it is so difficult to get the sack when you are in the public sector. These are often people in admin roles within local government who have no right to be stressed. Just look at average hours worked, days off sick, average pay as a comparison between private and public sector jobs.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 2nd... Stress in the public sector: Teachers work on average 70 hours a week. I do more than 100, it's at least 4,000 a year... Doctors and nurses have amazingly stressful jobs, policemen... let's not even get there. On average, a policemen dies 6 MONTHS AFTER RETIREMENT. Soldiers?
You are climbing walls... Let's see, shop keepers? Factory workers? Bankers (yes they can be more stressed...)
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
In order to do 4000 hours a year you would have to work around 11 hours a day, every day of the year. Given the average 7 hours of sleep, that would leave you with 6 hours free time every day of the year, I think you may be exagerating somewhat. Especially as you appear to be on Youtube by 6.
I know a least 5 teachers, one a deputy head, and I would put their hours at 60 a week at most. Then subtract the 12 weeks paid holiday a year and it is comparable to most private sector jobs.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Yes, 5am till 9pm every day including weeklends. Typical of teachers, get real, this is the public sector. I said 4,000 conservatively.
Second, yes, I am on holiday now, my dear, sort of, still working 5 till 6 on holiday, 11 hours, and have an awful lot to do. I go out once every haldf term... That's the social life of a teacher.
Ade76 1 year ago
DON'T YOU DARE REPLY YOU HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO!
YOU'VE LOST YOUR ARGUMENTON A MORAL BASIS>!
SHAME ON YOU!!!
BE ASHAMED OF EVER EVER EVER HAVING DARED WASTE MY TIME!!!
You are the living proof of the waste of money in education!!! It's money wasted teaching people like you!
Ade76 1 year ago
You are an accountant because a Maths techer gave his/her life away for you!!!
And all you can think about is saving a few pennies in tax, your own li
ttle personal gain and you are even ready to insult that teacher who gave his/her life away for you!
But you will pay for it. Becaue selfish Maths is a subtractin by nature! You think about yourself and your filthy wallet and don't realise that what I was tellingf you is that to really save your job, other people need to fill your pocket!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Let me simplify this for you as you seem to struggle with the concept
Teachers, policemen, doctors etc = good
Bureaucracy, too much management etc, wastage, over budget projects = bad
Does this help to clarify my view on the public sector?
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
But no! you are ready to let them suffer, and you've never managed to understand Maths well enough to see that they will have to stop paying YOUR salary because of YOUR selfishness.
Check a Gereek word: nemesis. Maths= Philosophy.
You have sentenced yourself, I have just been called to pronounce your sentence.
this is the role of the intelligentia. I'm here to help you, but if yoyu are rotten, my job is to pronounce your sentence:
YOU ARE MORALLY DEAD AND DESERVE POVERTY.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Public sector workers have no grasp on the economy. Pretty much every private sector company I deal with has made redundancies over the last 18 months, mine included. Unlike public sector workers we realise this is a necessary thing.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76
Bullshit. I have two teachers in my family and I know four other teachers socially. They do work about 10-11 hours during the week but not during weekends or holidays. The only people who think teachers work hard are ... teachers.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 And you can't count the 14 weeks holiday... Easter, I had about 3,000 pages to mark and annotate and present to examiners only for my year 11 boys, I also have a year 10 boys' class, 2 year 12s, 2 year 13s... 2 Latin classes...
Do you READ 3,000 pages in a year? I forgot, I also read abvout 300 books a year (yes, part of preparing lectures).
Don't even think abvout xcommenting on how much we work. I have renounced t6o my life to teach.
APOLOGISE!!
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 This shows a few things
1- You're trying to score points (not to have an argument)
2- You assume things about my life.
3- You know nothing about the life of teachers.
4- I was wronng, I was trying to help your brain, but the problem is your SOUL. Sorry, can't help there. You only have my pity and commiseration.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003
NEVER question the vocation and commitment of a teacher/doctor/nurse!!
This is what is destroying our society!!! This is a moral issue!
A nurse on 14K a year has a social standing 20 billion times higher than a shitty accountant on a million pounds!!
SHAME ON YOU!
We are here to zsave your and you children's lives. If you don't appreciate it, do without doctors, nurses and teachers. And stick your money up your arse when it gets cancer!
Ade76 1 year ago
How DARE YOU!!! That's your problem! you donm't understand the value of teachers/ nurses/ and doctors/ policemen/ soldiers/ street cleaners!
You DARE do the maths to score a low stinky point! We have give our life for your welfare! And you children's! Show a bit of respect!
You know what, if by mistake your child was one of my stuudents, I'd still give him the best education he's ever had. What do you have to teach him/her? A few sums?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 Accountant= someone who thought the beauty of Maths is in profit or failed to do a Maths degree. Maths teacher= someone who knows the beauty and VALUE of numbers and earns less than an accountant to teach his son!
You are using your Math's teacher's gift to you to insult his/her vocation! She/he'd be ashamed of you. Where would you be without your Maths teacher! And here you are, advocating his/ her redundancy, gfor the sake of a little shortsighed profit for yourself!
Ade76 1 year ago
And never try to score points with an Oxford DPhil!
I'm ready to talk to you and explain things to you.
But DON'T EVER THINK I WILL LOWER MYSELF TO YOUR MORAL LEVEL!!!
Yes I AM superior to you. AND PROUD OF IT. Or rather, YOU ARE INFERIOR TO ME, and I pity youy.
Work out the difference now.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
I would have respect for you if you had a degree in something worthwhile. I have a degree from one of the best universities in the country and I attended a top private school, unlike you I don't feel the need to shout about it when I am losing a discussion. My brother has superior qualifications to you and has written a number of award winning papers, does that mean you are inferior to him? His relate to medicine though, so they actually have some use. He sees these cuts are needed.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 How DA|RE YOU?
A DPhil is Literature (capital L)!
No one apart from DLits and Nobel Prizes (one of my teachers, PS: my mentor, he chose me as his pupil for life!) has a hiigher qualification than a DPhil or a Cambridge PhD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the world! Waht is he, a Nobel?????????????
Second: how dare you: a degree in Literature is one of the highest and most difficult (physics can compete). Hey, for 1 exam I had 124 books to study, including The Holy Bible!!
Ade76 1 year ago
And, last thing, then I need to get on with work (PS, didn't sleep last night, not because I went out, I'm working with a university to ensure good training for teachers... Have to sort it before they break up)
And.. last thing, Greek word = anacoluthon (check it up)- here used to invite you to read betwen the lines KS3 standard...) I did state that there's a difference betwen me being superiopr to you and you being inferior> But you can't read betwen the lines.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 How dare you!!!
What do you know about me as a writer? Published in the highet literary paper in the world, and 3 books...
How dare you? You are NOT your brother!
No, You are INFERIOR on MORAL grounds!
How DARE you? You attnede a Top private school. You chose privilege. I had the money to go to a private school, so what? I chose MORALS!
How DDARE you? @He's related'. You can't even spell.
HOW DARE YOU ? Literature = preserving culture!
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Which forces me to assess your reading skills as a Level 4 Failed SATS)
Now remember: SIMPLE: STATE= NON PROFIT organisation.
Your ideology is unwittingly hurting the poor.
Tell me, what would you do to help the poor?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
State = provide necessary services to the population using tax funds.
At the moment it is
State = give everyone a job, waste as much money as possible.
There are actually 800 jobs going in Coventry, all lost from pointless quango's (another super Labour invention!). It is the head of the council that said "ultimately 10,000 jobs COULD be lost in the city". Given that he is a member of Labour he isn't exactly going to agree with the Conservatives. Maybe you need to look a little deeper.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76
You haven't actually proven any facts other than your "are superior to me" as you have a PhD that nobody outside of your sector cares about. You also have an unhealthy obsession with mens feet.
You have stated numerous facts e.g. economy of Sweden, job losses in Coventry, the fact that public sector workers contribute to economic growth but I have proven them all to be incorrect and based on little understanding.
You may be clever in your field but outside of it you clearly are clueless
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76
Discussion over
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
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And never try to score points with an Oxford DPhil!
I'm ready to talk to you and explain things to you.
But DON'T EVER THINK I WILL LOWER MYSELF TO YOUR MORAL LEVEL!!!
Yes I AM superior to you. AND PROUD OF IT. Or rather, YOU ARE INFERIOR TO ME, and I pity youy.
Work out the difference now.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 One thing is having different ideas, another is having NO MORALS and conscously acting to harm people to keep one's fat ass in a parliamentary chair.
Clegg and Cameron are CONSCOUSLY and WILLINGLY hurting millions for generations to come because they have no morals, they disgust me.
Hey, I'm not a Tory, but I can support Jonson in London, he's doing a good job. I marched against Blair, signed to impeach him. But Clegg and Clogg disgust me as humanbeings.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
I think it is a shame if this affects worthwhile public sector jobs (e.g. police, teachers, doctors etc) but over the last decade there has been a growth in pointless jobs that contribute very little to society. My brother tells me stories of what he sees in the NHS, he had 4 managers over his department and nobody knew what any of them did. They have now sacked two of these people and there has been no notable effect. They pay agency nurses at 2-3 times an hour what a normal nurse costs
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76 Yes they have no morals, becaus ethey know thjey are destroyingf the economy. They studied POLITICS at OXFORD, I know what they have to study to get a degree there. They would not pass a GCSE in economics with such politics, let alone Oxfford....
Thatcher might not have been fully aware of the impact she was having on the economy (yet unemployment and infaltion so high for 11 years should have been a clue). They MUST know.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 A Latin saying, errare humanum est, sed perseverare est diabolicum = making mistakes is human, insisting on making them is evil.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 I'm not saying you are a Tory, and even if you were it would make no difference. But you seem to me articulate, therefore capable of understanding that the Tory (and suddenly new LIb Dem) rhetoric has no validity in economic terms. Simple ptroof is that they didn't even wait a minute to cut, they didn't even read the numbvbers. The cuts are ideologically motivated. They had 14 years to work it out, they slashed in a few weeks! How informed can their decision be?
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Stop repeating things you have read in a stupid accountancy manual! You are insulting my intelligence! I told you I'm a DPhil! (That is Oxonian for PhD... with honours, Summa cum Laude= best graduate in the whole of Oxford for that year!)
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Most of the people I know that have PhD's are academically intelligent but have little common sense or knowledge of the way the world works. This discussion has done nothing to change my mind.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76
I don't think I should have a discussion with someone that appears to have a male foot fetish.
Anyway talking to a lot of public sector people is like talking to a brick wall. Why don't you go and strike because "awww they wanna cut our pensions". Just imagine having to have the same sort of pension as every other worker in the country, what a nightmare! I suppose you think that we should plug the black hole of hundreds of billions for public sector pensions using tax payer funds.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 And how can the private sector sell when there is NO MARKET as people are not spending because they are losing their jobs?
And do you think the private sector will employ the policemen they are laying off out of pity?
Chek the figures in 3 months- unemployment up - economic growth down 100% sure. RememberThe last figures, unemployment down, economic growth up...
Hoepfully, this giovernment has a shelf life of less than a year when the figures come in.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
You fail to realise that money spent by public sector employess doesn't contribute anything to the economy, it is effectively recycling tax payer money. I know numerous business owners who have been saying that this needed to happen for years. Growth may be up but that hasn't even made a dent in the annual deficit, let's be honest it wasn't hard to get growth based on how bad the months before had been. Growth of around 0.3% is hardly amazing.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 What yiou say is ridiculouas! Sorry, basic economy.
Mr John Smith, public sector worker, £20,00 a year.
He saves £2,000, he spends £7,000 (that goes to sho[ps /company = THE PRIVATE SECTOR), he pays £4,000 in tax. That's back into services.
Mr John Smoth, like 1.3 million others, loses job, he COSTS the taxpayer, say £6,000 (in benefits), on £50 a week, only spends £1,000, because he spends it all, yet NOTHIING gets back into te services.
SIMPLE!!!!!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
The fact that you can't understand this principle is concerning given that you are allegedly a teacher. John is paid £20,000 by the government, there is no way on earth that the government gets all of that money back in tax, NI, VAT etc. I would envisage that around 50-60% of his pay actually gets paid back to the government, thus the government has effectively lost £8,000-£10,000. A large proportion of the things we buy ultimately come from abroad thus the funds leave this country.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Send me a private message, then I will show you who I AM!!! I'm in the encyclopedias about my work, and you can check where I teach= The best public school in the country (ranks with Rugby!)
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
I don't care about who you are, your pointless qualifications or where you teach. Why do you need these "amazing" qualifications if you are only teaching GCSE and A-Levels? Overqualified and overpaid, problem of the public sector.
A PhD in Physics is actually useful, one in literature is not.
Academic qualifications mean very little to me. I know numerous people that have very few qualifications but they own large companies that employ a lot of people, that is what the country needs.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 You se4e? You Maths is flawed. Go back to addition and subtraction and look where they go!!
Yes! the government LOSES 8,000 quid, but the PRIVATE SETOR earns 100% of all the money spent on a salary !!!!!!! How much is it? 12 grand out of 20?
You really PRETEND you doon't get it, or do the honourable thing: renounce your GCSE in Maths.
And yes!!! VAT takes away much more in proportion of a low salary than of a high one!!! That's why Labour are against it!
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 How funny, I am a man of letters and explaining basic numbers to you.
That says a lot about your education.
Shall we have a literary conversation and see how you cope?
Yes, it will leave the country thanks to Tory policies: they got rid of our manufacturing industry! Just to hit the workers! They have flawed our economy!
How dare you say allegedly?
I think my brains are self-evident (from Latin e-vido ex- vido see outside, etimology... Chek in dictionary!)
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 You see why private sector workers are losing their jobs FIRST!!!!
The funds leave this country, but funds also come in through finance and (yes, even education). That's all Labour had to play on given the demise of the manufacturing industry that carries the Tory ideological signature of Baroness Thatcher (at least I was born in the upper class).
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Private sector workers are losing their jobs first as it is far easier to get rid of them compared to public sector workers. It is beyond belief that you, unlike the other 99% of the country and its leaders, can't see the huge waste in the public sector. Let's borrow more and more, soon our interest payments will be more than the education budget, you will then be moaning that you have to take a pay cut (like they have done in several other EU countries). You live in a dream world.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 You envisage wrong! My calculation of 8 grand tax includes NI and it's prtetty comfortable..
ARE you an accountant? You should work it out pretty easily... Just asking may dear (lower case chek sarura lex).
Sorry, I'm giving you homework because your cultures has, with a euphemism (Ancient Greek word - check it) 'gaps' even I can't 'spare' the time to help on my own.
I forgot... Yours is not a priciple, it's a badly worked out calculation...
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
You are an absolute idiot, typical of a public sector worker. Someone earns £20,000 they will have tax and NI of around £8,000 deducted, leaving the government with a net deficit of £12,000. Now assume they pay another £1,000 in VAT, net loss of £11,000. The rest of this money will be spent on food, luxuries etc. Any profit on these transactions will be taxed via corporation tax at 21%-28%, let's say another £1,000. Net loss of £10,000. An element of this will go towards paying wages ...
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76
of the private company, let's say another £1,000, net loss £9,000. Given our trade deficit, most things we buy come from abroad, food, electrical goods etc. Although you may pay a UK based organisation for them, they will then pay the majority of this to a foreign company to buy the goods. This will give a tax benefit to the foreign government, not ours. We merely tax the profit element. This isn't a problem it the public sector jobs are needed but there are too many worthless jobs.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Problem is, Maths can't help to sort out your numbers. You need the philosphy of Maths. If you keep 'neglecting' the money a REAL pesron spends on the pricvate sector, therefore contributing to the economy, then, sorry, it's not Maths.
Would you say a nurse is not worth 8K a year? If you consider that a LOSS, I hope you'll tell them when you need one!
And those 8K are recicled into more salaries, therefore keeping the econnomy going.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 While the salary of a high flying private sector manahger gets mostly swept onto a hidden foreign account... How does that contribute to the economy?
You don't get the dynamics of economics. There's a whole university exam for you..,. Sorry, you can't take it on moral grounds. Your lecturers would be paid by the state... You think they are a 'waste'.
You are ideologically hiding 12 K out of 20 in your argument.
Andf you ASSUME the 8 k - 1 are not worthwhile spending
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Yes but his wages of the private sector manager aren't paid by the government for the 15th time. Plus the fact that would be tax evasion and he would end up in prison. Well of the hundreds of directors I deal with not one is paid via these means, but I am sure a teacher knows far more about it than I do.
Those who can... do.
Those who can't... teach.
Maybe you should try and get a job with the treasury department, we would be bankrupt within a few years.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76
You appear to not read anything I write. I have now stated several times that there are many crucial roles done by the public sector (teachers, doctors, policemen etc) and then there are a huge amount of other pointless jobs. Do you think you can get this concept into your head? These pointless jobs are taking money from worthwhile departments, but you have no problem with it!
Look at any statistics on public sector growth and you will see it has ballooned with admin and bureaucracy.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003
Of which, most will be spent by the state on salaries within a year, which go back into the economy, while the state will preserve 40 % (this is tax in the UK, not 50/60%, you SHOULD know, being an accountant, but your job is fiddling with figures, not undderstanding them, not your fault).
Back to priciple = philospohical postulate, not ideology. You are ideologically driven, don't confuse principles with ideology. That's why we NEED men of letters much more than you!
Ade76 1 year ago
Given that I have used 40% in my example, an illustration not a 100% factual proof, I fail to see your point. Tax is actually at 20%,40% and 50% on salary in the UK, plus NI.
Do you not see that if you spend £8,000 at Tesco's that doesn't all filter back into the government receipts. A huge percentage of what you buy will come from abroad, Tesco pays the foreign company this. This money then leaves our economy. That is the problem we import more than we export.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003
This is the basic flaw of Tory economics: the stupid belief that people who earn money from the state hide it from the economy. No they buy food, they pay tax, they buy cllothes.
The two secors DEPEND on one another.
Imagine John Smith is a nurse, who will employ the nurse in the private sector? How about teachers? How about Policemen? There is cash flow from the puplic secotor's payroll into the private sector's economy, but there is NO/MINIMAL employment flow.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 That you don;t know this, I can believe, that Clegg and Cameron don't know this, is impossible. I went to the saqme university as they did!
I'm a teacher on £50,000 a year, imagine I lost my job (really not the case). Where would my expertise go? How could I spend £20,000 on the dole? How much would I cost? If I found a job in the private sector, how likely wold it be for me to be a teacher? Maybe a rece4ptionist on £15k?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Yet again, that £20,000 you spend comes from the £50,000 the government pays you. As such it is not adding anything to the economy. You are merely taking £50,000 from the education budget and then repaying far less to the government in both direct and indirect taxation. As I have previously stated the role of government isn't to provide everyone with a job. When I pay tax it is purely income for the government as my wages aren't paid by the government.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 You don't get this, the £20000 goes back into the private sector. and it's onl;ly the 5 year freeze on a senior teacher.
No, the role of government is NOT TO PROVIDE EVERYONE WITH A JOB, it's to provide services, and these are jobs, payed by the tax.
OOr do you think we should have no teachers? Or only private ones? Doctors? Nurses? Privarte police? Private Army?
It's not a problem of adding to the economy, it's squeezing the flow that from public goes into private.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
As I stated I have no problem with necessary jobs, I have a problem with the thousands of pointless jobs that exist. Where I live they set up a new government organisation that was supposed to provide broadband, CCTV and other amenities to local businesses. It cost even small businesses over £1,000 and never achieved anything. They managed to supply intermitant broadband to only 100 businesses at a cost of £1.8 million, i.e. £18,000 per company. Imagine this across the country, waste.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 The economy is not just the private sector, capito?
You know what, I give up. Speak in a year, with 1.3million more unemployed, economy down ok?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
The economy is both public and private sector but it has to be in balance. Look at the growth of the public sector over the last 10 year compared to the growth in the private sector, their is no comparison.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Good luck by the way... I hope you don't lose your job. I don't know how much of your job is funded by public sector people buying your sofas or whatever you do...
But good luck, honestly.
Just do a little research for yourself, how much of your salary depends on having teachers, sdoctors etc... spending for your company.. (Average is 40%)
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 No one says that the public sector can't be reduced, but these cuts are destroying both sectors. Hey!!! FFS we are talking millions of unemplotyed in a year... Watch the bleeding news!!! 10,000 in Coventtry TODAY! 30,000 builders yesterday!
For an accountant, you are pretty neglectful of numbbers!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
For a teacher your use of English is poor, there isn't a paragraph without a spelling mistake. Maybe this is why our education system is now such a joke, the teachers can't even write properly!. These jobs don't just disappear overnight, they are planned cuts over the coming years. 10,000 jobs won't be lost in Coventry, you sir are telling lies. Unless of course the Coventry Eveing Telegraph, sitting next to me, and the BBC are unaware of this.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Can yoyu distinguish betwen a typo and a spelling mistake?
Can you distinguish between a mistake and an error? Typo= mistake due to pressing wrong key, mistake= something done wrong due to hurry or carelessness (I don't have time for you). Error= a 'mistake' done because of lack of knowledge. Mistake= 'error' done because of carelessness or hurry. Get my previous paragraph 2 double consonants = typo.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Please STOP PRETENDING TO BELIEVE (in general) and specifically that I wouldn't know how to spell Coventry or numbers. Ask yourself why, it's related to autism and epilepsy, I'll give you a clue. Plus, teachers do not need to check their typos when marking, it's a very quick exercise for various reasons, students have to do the editing out of respect for the time of teachers. Editing is a student's responsibility (not pupil student).
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 I've already told you your problem is the same as what I stated I hated in ConLib leaders: pretending they think they are doing the right thing, let alone the fair thing or the honourable thing.
Now,don't get me started on spelling, I can read people's psychology through their spelling mistakes, you really don't want to draw my attention to those, therefore, in your paaragraph above, there is a typo d est properly+ exclamation mark + full stop
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 The typo is actually an editing oversight which tells me that you have put a lot of effort into it, which I appreciate, as it shows you went back on it to redraft it. (full stops are no where near exclamation marks on the keyboard, which is a very complex system, devised to avoid mistakes yet encourage typos) Now explain to me why Typos doesn't want an e while potatoes does? h/w.
I am very disappointed in seeing that you read the Evening Telegraph
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 I haven't had much time to watch the news, but you even forced me to do a serch for you!
How could you say the bbc are unaware of it without even checking.
Finally, I said the jobs went overnight, meaning every time Clegg and Clogg move a finger, people stand to lose their jobs. UNLESS we get them out!
Hey, stop twisting words, I really hate it.Never take on a teacher on his/her fiield, s/he will humiliate you.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Finally, how funny, their statistics, there are going to be 2.3 m private jobs in the private sector, how, if their announcement of 600,000 public job cuts, means 700,000 private ones diappearing... Notice the flaw of all your /their argument? In their own figures there is the inevitable drop in private sector following the public.
You believe doctors and teqchers don't spend money, yes, but how about the 700,000 priicvate (oh the golden word) workers?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Most of these private sector jobs will be lost due to them doing government contracts, thus their entire income comes from government funds. The government can either cancel the project and save 100% or continue with the project and recover only some of this back in taxes when these people are taxed and spend money.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 You dont deserve a reply, no one here believes you, lert's go on privately I have asked you, I have no time for you, you are just showing the Tory ideology of times of old, like Clegg and Clogg. From now on this 'automatic message will go as 'vide' shortened into V (yes, fr Victory as well, read it as you wish, I'm a logastellus, word you cannot find unless you have the Oxford English Dictionary)
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Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
I "don't deserve a reply", yet you still give me one. You still haven't managed to correct any of the ficticious economic data that you have earlier stated. e.g. jobs lost in Coventry (800 not 10,000), giving Sweden as an example (a country that is only doing well due to similar public sector cuts in the 1990's) and the fact that you think public sector expenditure magically contributes to economic growth. You are a teacher, thus you don't live in the real world. Don't bother replying.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Read the news... 3,5000 jobs ONLYin the NHS in coventry. Do a search, google news, jobs + Coventry.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 PS... That was quoting Professor Bailey... in the BBC news, but you preferred to select a small fractioon (jobs going in the QDCA in Coventry) and pretend it's the whole sum...
How honest of you!
Ade76 1 year ago
If the change in the NHS goes ahead then 3,500 jobs COULD be lost by the PCT but a lot of these people will just be transferred to the new GP consortiums and the city council, so the 3,500 figure is a red herring. There will be some losses but not up to this level. Most of the figures going around at the moment are just estimates based on proposals, not confirmed job losses. The £1.8 million for 100 users of broadband that I previously mentioned was from a Coventry Quango.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76
I suggest that you watch "Britain's trillion pound horror story" on channel 4, it emphasises the point I made regarding public sector jobs not creating wealth.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Bloody great documentary, watched it a couple of days ago. More people (including idiot politicians) need to watch that and watch it dam soon
Tracywithafacey 1 year ago
@Ade76
3,500 jobs in Coventry AND warwickshire, a pretty large area. These are POTENTIAL job losses to try and eliminate unecessary bureaucracy in the NHS. This is only a proposal. Did you see the figures over the weekend? Drug companies increased their prices by up to 1000% in a year and the NHS never argued, they just paid. There are actually 800 jobs going in Quango's, the 10,000 figure came from the Labour Councils estimate that has been criticised. I am from Coventry so I know quite a lot
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Forom now on when this 'gentleman's ' answers are self evidently flawed and detrimental to his Tory campaign V will ve shown (automatic message)
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 WATCH THE NEWS AS WE SPEAK! Cuts to rebuild falling schollols= no cuts in school (public jobs, us who don't spend money, and we can do without teachers, can't we), but the first jobs to go are PRIVATE JOBS in the building industry. Hey, it's 1 billion Pounds in private salaries gone this year... 30,000 jobs, all PRIVATE. This is the periphery of cuts in education, the PERIPHERY IS ALREADY A TOWN PRIVATE UNEPLOYED.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Yet again these are private sector jobs that are funded by public funds, thus not helping to cut the deficit. Labour shouldn't have promised to rebuild everything when they knowingly lacked the funding. Did you see that it took longer to build one school under Labour than the total time it took to build Hong Kong airport. This also includes first reclaiming the land from the sea. Just another example of labours incompetence
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 We'll add the public sector later ok, as the according to their ideology (and even YOU are buying into it, you sond too clever for that) are not necessary... we don't need teachers and nurses and policemen, do we? As I said, nothing against cutting bureaucracy, I disagreed with Blair on it, but this is not what the ConLib are doing... is it? These are builders? They don't fill in paper do they? 30,000 in a day!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
You need to stop viewing the public sector as just teachers nurses etc, far more people are employed in admin and support roles. These are the roles we need to reduce. More managers than doctors in the NHS and more pen pushers than soldiers in the MOD are just two well known examples of this. I know several people who work for the local council and even they admit that there are huge inefficiencies in their departments. They are 30,000 builders paid by the public sector.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 I have a lot of time for people who make mistakes, for people who get it wrong. But people that have no moral direction don't deserve my time.
You've wasted my time, I could have helped someone who WANTED TO DO GOOD, you clearly don't.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
OK then let's keep wasting all of the tax payers money just so that everyone has a job. Don't worry about the fact that we have the largest debt to GDP in the OECD, we can ignore that. We will just have our credit rating downgraded and end up like Greece. Let's keep spending, look at all the good it has done!
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76 FINALLY, you know ehy Blair vreated paperwork in the public sector? To copy the PRIVATE SECTOR! TARGETS WERE INVENTED AND ARE OK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR BUT ARE CALLED PAPERWORK IN THE PUBLIC ONE? How does this work? My ethos is do the best of what you have. The ex public ethos, now we ghave the private ethos, which is, show that you are worth the money we pay you = targets = bureaucracy.
And please MENTION 1 (!!!!) PRIVATISATION THAT EVER WORKED! WORLDWIDE!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
You clearly haven't worked in the private sector. In the private sector it is all about profit and efficiency, any targets that are involved are to achieve these two aims. Labour invented targets and then made a separate public sector branch just to monitor these targets, that is why the Conservatives have scrapped the NHS waiting list targets. People will still be seen bya doctor in a good time but we won't have thousands of people monitoring these pointless targets.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 Ah, I haven't worked in ten Private sector? Babes, my family own a whole region of a European state... I've moved away from it, decided to live on 50 K a year and halp people. My family are 800 years old, our family tomb is world herritage centre, Mum's a Great Marchioness, Dad's a Knight, here, you are talking to a Count.
Our land is half the size of Cumbria... My name's though in encyclopedia for MY work, not the shitty money profit crap that you so much believe in.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
Did you mean cunt instead of count?
My mum is the queen, I said it on Youtube so it must be true.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 My family have Imperial (Asburg) connections, my Mother's name is not Marie Therese by mistake...Ok, yet they have taught me to make my own life, to have values. I've never taken a penny from that massive wealth ((excluding Christmas gifts) since I was 18.
I worked (in your private sector) to go to uni. My Mum taught me there's more than profit in life. There are values, there's HONOUR. Yes, an UPPER CLASS VALUE. I loathe les nouvelles riches.
Ade76 1 year ago
@dicknocker2003 They have sold their soul to the Devil, whaqt do you think, that you can count your pennies to happiness?
I'd rather give people the chance to have opportunities and values and safety in life, than live such a miserable life of uselessprofit which you propose to me.
That's it. You've shown your ideology. Sorry, I think I detest it. You'r e not worth my time. I was wrong, I thought you were mistaken, now I realise, you were not. You simply have no values.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 The Mail? Are we joking? Transport? What's happened to fares and what's happened to services? BT? Check your bills. British Gas? Check your bills. Thames water? Check your bills. Italian enargy company? Went Bust. Alfa Romeo... Closed down... Rolls Royce... Went abroad... Public= value for money, private= get someone to make billions out of it.
LET's BE CAREFUL WITH BASIC SEVICES!!!!! Can't you see that this is privatisation from the back door? They are privatising schools!
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 That's the truth! Privatiosing schools from the back door! Have you got 7K a term to pay for your child's education? Start saving my dear. I teach in a state funded school where we get 95%A-C including English and Maths, sooner or later, these kids will have to fork out 150K to get it (it's an all through school)... All 2,500 of them! Oh sorry, a 95% can't afford it! 30% live on Council Estates... What's their future going to be like with 1 C?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76 Two tier education system? Started already, and 30,000 private sectors job have gone in the process... I'd rather keep teaching those builders' children for free ang keep their parents' jobs than get even better money (yes, I would get better money in a private school, and do you think they wouldn't employ an Oxford DPhil? £50K a year is nothing... People with a second class BA are on in my year are on £300K in the private sector...). The thing that pisses me off is I made a moral choice.
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
You do realise that your beloved Labour were also going to reduce capital expenditure on schools by 50%. They also had admitted that cuts of 20-30% would have been implemented, David Milliband admitted this last night in an interview I watched. Private schools are currently suffering and several in my area have actually merged in a bid to survive. I can't think of one large government project in the last decade that has been on time or on budget.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
@Ade76 A moral choice to get less money but use my knowledge to help these childen, the risk is that they will tyake this choice away from me... Force me to earn more and only teach priviledged children... This is what I really hate. I chose to be less well off financially but have a better dialogue with my God when I die, they are taking this away from me... I wish Cameron will be there to argue with God whan I die... and tell him he has morals (I'm not formally religius). What will God say?
Ade76 1 year ago
@Ade76
They have cut capital expenditure on schools so they won't have to sack teachers unecessarily. A lot of these cuts are staggered over the coming years so those 30,000 builders aren't immediately redundant.
Out of curiosity, what do teaching assistants actually do? Do you work with them? They didn't have them when I was at school, are they really needed?
The markets, IMF and many leading economists agree with these cuts.
Canada had far more severe cuts in the 90's and it worked.
dicknocker2003 1 year ago
Ed Balls = Reincarnation of Martin Bormann
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