Gregory Boyd on "The Myth of a Christian Nation" Part 2/3

[aprox23]

The title of this book is kind of misleading, I thought it was going to be about how this country wasn't founded as a Christian nation.

[TimSarver]

The Kingdom Of God is like a mustard seed.

[student507]

Christians are blinded about the federal reserve and how it creates paradigms and hegelian dialectics. dems/pubs, com/ fasc. Jim Wallace vs right wing moral majority. Boyd seems partially sold on socialist principles without considering liberty and gov by the people at local level without a central fed. We don't need a christian nation, but a free nation for all, without forcing special rights for some at others expense.

[pkart7]

I'm not a Christian, I'm an agnostic, and I find many of his views are thoughtful, and his want to be Christ-like, not to have power over others, refreshing. Do I agree with his views on abortion or homosexuality as a sin? No, I think there should be limited, legal, safe abortions for specified cases, and that there is nothing morally wrong or inferior about being gay. I respect him because in a sermon he states that he could be wrong about homosexuality being a sin; he isn't god after all.

[MidnightWriter8210]

A good video! This needs to be talked about more and debunk all of the myths!

[cybermone]

Lets start a bus ministry, round up all the crack babies and idiots, scare them into loving jesus, then when they get horny, will make em go to bible college before they can marry and fuck and make more retards, so that we can then take the league of idiots and try to wipe out all the smart people................

I suppose theres a reason there's not a question and answer session after the sermon................now go back to sleep!!!

commoners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheNightwing01]

@cybermone He actually has Q&A after his sermons.

[cybermone]

Lets start a bus ministry, round up all the crack babies and idiots, scare them into loving jesus, then when they get horny, will make em go to bible college before they can marry and fuck and make more retards, so that we can then take the league of idiots and try to wipe out all the smart people................

I suppose theres a reason there's not a question and answer session after the sermon................now go back to sleep!!!

[writersblock26]

Thank you for posting this, mayartay.

[nomajic]

Not sure how your ignorance regarding the definition of an atheist reflects poorly on the atheist. Is glibness your defense mechanism when you can't understand another person's perspective? Or are you just hoping that popping off random insult will distract from the fact that your understanding of the world is based on at least on mistaken premise?

[stads24]

Religion is the biggest excuse for genocide... so what are we discussing here? haha

[jopra49]

Love the book and the truth Mr Boyd states. The same division resides now in the world as it did in Jerusalem. Darkness vs light. Jesus came to die for all the world. He died and was resurrected The fact is that to be the Christ person he called for means exactly sa Boyd has stated in his book.

[Imaginefree69]

@jopra49

"He died and was resurrected "

There is NO valid historical evidence that Jesus Christ ever lived.

None whatsoever.

If you think I'm wrong, I invite you to bring your evidence to the table.

[TheNightwing01]

@Imaginefree69 The is just as much evidence for Jesus as there is for Alexander the great.

[writersblock26]

@TheNightwing01 What is interesting about Jesus of Nazareth and Alexander the Great is that they were both said to have had virgin births.

[TheNightwing01]

@writersblock26 As were many other people including people today.

[writersblock26]

@TheNightwing01 What is interesting about both Jesus of Nazareth and Alexander the Great is that they were both said to have resulted from virgin births.

[musicappreciate]

So few people are true Christians. Since there are so many weak among the true, and so many false, It's no wonder why people affiliated with Jesus feel the need to acquire political power to change the landscape. God changes hearts one at a time. We should be seeking reformation and revival, not dominion here and now. Kinda interesting that many who espouse a negative eschatology (things getting worse before Jesus comes), proceed to mess that up with a thirst for political acceptability.

[SycrosD4]

Boyd rocks.

[AndersonBender87]

"Any time you make the cross subordinate to the flag, you have idolatry. Americanized Christianity is shot through with forms of idolatry, making it difficult for people to keep track of the blood at the cross, the need to love, sacrifice, and bear witness to something bigger than nation, race, or tribe." -Cornel West

[Spiritflier07]

The kingdom ethic belongs the the believers and those that call themselves 'christian' and believe in taking the world "for Jesus" are puppets of the anti-christ.

[voxextremos22]

Gregg Boyd Born In St Paul MN And Graduate Of Park Highschoo Cottage Grove MN

[chawlatthai]

OMG!!! THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH! Somebody finally co-signs to what I've been saying all along! That America was NEVER a "Christian Nation". I know for a fact that the founding fathers just used Christianity as a weapon to get an advantage over people. Either through manipulation and/or through violence, which is DEFINATELY NOT CHRISTLIKE! Thanx again!

[luvdomus]

The only people claiming that this is a "Christian nation" are religious rightists with ambitions to rule the country.

[sterlingrose33]

I'm not sure I like Charlie Rose. Is he just "acting" stupid or is he seriously trying to stand in the shoes of an average listener and asking the questions he thinks they'd ask of Pastor Greg??

Something about him comes across as....eh, not too bright. :shrug: I could be wrong.

[adambomb312]

The Christian Faith + Republican [or Democratic, or Liberterian, or any] politics is idolatry. Listen to "Christians" talk whose politics and faith are "intertwined" and you'll see that they talk about politics more than they do about Jesus Christ.

[mowriter]

adambomb: and try pointing out the politicized realities in the Bible that supports the other party. Usually this means showing right wingers the liberal parts of the bible. You can see the conundrum in their eyes...which God will they serve? The one of the Bible? Or the one of the American Empire, defending slavery, ecological destruction, and warfare?

[Imaginefree69]

@mowriter

".which God will they serve? The one of the Bible? Or the one of the American Empire, defending slavery, ecological destruction, and warfare?"

That is a false dichotomy.

The fictitious god of the Bible endorses racist, nationalistic empire, slavery, ecological destruction, and warfare.

Also public rape, murder, genocide, dismemberment, burning humans alive, killing babies, human sacrifice, ritualized cannibalism, lies, theft, hypocrisy, and every evil.

[mowriter]

@Imaginefree69 : sorry, read the Bible for yourself. Someone lied to you about God ENDORSING everything on your list. Most of the acts you cite were REPORTED in the Bible as ABOMINATIONS to be wiped out (cannibalism, human sacrifice, burning humans alive, etc.). Does your moral compass agree with ending people who commit THOSE crimes? Add "genocide" to the acceptable column, then, b/c that's what Israel in fact did.

But read it for yourself; don't let the ignorant lie to you.

[Imaginefree69]

@mowriter

"read the Bible for yourself. "

I have done, many times.

Let me invite you to make a rational adult response

If you think I have posted an error,

please identify the error

and then, using scripture or some valid evidence,

correct it.

"Most of the acts you cite were REPORTED in the Bible as ABOMINATIONS"

Yes, well, for every statement in the Bible there is an equal and opposite statement. That's why you have 40,000 denominations of the religion of "unity."

[mowriter]

@Imaginefree69 : and let me invite you to use make a rational adult response and not attribute to God something he did not advocate. That would be a straw man argument on your part.

Denominations have nothing to do with your imagined biblical contradictions.

Lev. 20:2: put to death anyone who burns up his son (as part of worshiping a pagan deity.). One such abomination CITED but not condoned. There IS a difference. And there's too little space to clarify every such reference.

[Imaginefree69]

@mowriter

"your imagined biblical contradictions."

When you have refi=uted them you may call them "imagined."

They are real and readily demonstrable.

If you think I'm wrong, just ask and I'll provide all the contradictions you like.

And more.

And I will support them with scripture.

Don't be shy, don't be evasive.

Just ask.

[mowriter]

@Imaginefree69 : I owe you nothing for you to end your misattribution to scripture things scripture never promotes. That is entirely up to you to read for yourself. In this limited space I have cited only one example of "God" repudiating child sacrifice by fire. Yet you insist this constitutes endorsement? And yet you repeat your childish pissing contest rhetoric, too?

[musicappreciate]

@adambomb312 It's the bulwark never failing on my Facebook page

[dosey6767]

shall i just end your mistery for you;

hello american god believeing folk,

your wrong.

creativists; science is fact its objective, fossils of human and animal remains have been found dating back millions of years so how can it be you believe the world is only a few thousands years old.

you believe everything about god and how the world was created yet you forget that these books were written a long time after any of these events actually happened.

[docmikeyd76]

why can't there be room for both creationism and evolution? Did you know that Darwin was a Christ follower too? Just because he recognized the link between evolution and creation doesn't discredit his faith or the mystery of faith. Who says that the time frames that are given are firm? Just as carbon dating has been shown to have flaws, can't the "biblical" time-line we know be of also? There is no room for bickering and finger pointing...

BTW you misspelled mystery.

[mayartay]

dosey,

That comment is unrelated to this video. Besides, I would guess that most Christians, including Boyd, do not believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old. To equate Christianity with young earth creationism is a sign of ignorance.

[writersblock26]

@mayartay Agreed.

[xLordOfTheFliesx]

I'm American and God-believing. I also believe in evolution. You're making a ridiculously broad blanket statement.

[DJSTYLEZ7]

@dosey6767 crap

[MetaphysicsAddict]

@dosey6767 H=JFYI, Greg Boyd accepts both evolution and an old earth. He's not a creationist.

[jonii04]

Down with Gnosticism!!

[ahasverocol]

Lotus1145: And a lot of people proselityze a lot of things in a lot of topics: religion, politics, food, music, fashion, etc etc. You new atheists are as much as proselityzers as any religious person, as right-winged or left winged politicians, as McDonalds or Coca-Cola doing propaganda, etc.

[gatogreensleeves]

Christianity's increasing zeal must be countered in equal measure... not merely because it proselytizes, but because it is dangerous.

[NwZ2]

You make a categorical mistake in not realizing that God is of a subject that cannot be known by man. Not believing, ie atheism, is not the same as pouring forth a fervor that tries to convert those who disagree with your views. Indeed, that is antithetical principle of problems atheists have against those who are religious. Shame on you.

[Lotus4115]

Not views but truths. Shame on your myth.

[Bunnydancer777]

this is the problem with atheists, they confuse the finger with the moon..eg. their conceptual framework of the universe with the universe itself.

"Truth" is you imposing a logical framework built in your head on the outside world...and equating a measure of consistency with infallibility..Even Godel, who was much smarter than Einstein understood the limitations of logical systems.

[nomajic]

@Bunnydancer777 Atheists, by definition do not have any specific conceptual framework. Rejecting your specific framework does not require any specific substitue or counterpoint. The "problem" with atheists seems to be that you are unable to neatly fit them into a neat package for your vauge, dismisive platitudes.

[mayartay]

@nomajic Atheists, by definition do not have any specific conceptual framework.

Ah, so that 's why they don't have a clue.

[Lotus4115]

MYTH is the key word.

[vistacruiser59]

It will never be pretended that any persons employed in [the formation of the American governments] had interviews with the gods or were in any degree under the inspiration of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses ...

- John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of the United States of America, 1787

[TLCTugger]

Political polarization is the factor costing the lives of the unborn?

Dope.

"Act of God" terminates 5 times as many pregnancies in the US as act of Man.

[silvermoon577]

"Choice" What a stupid name. It's murder.

[Gringoman911]

Marking peoples comments with ups and downs accomplishes nothing,It only shows what statements are popular or unpopular, It doesn't win the debate or prove your arguments.

[A4AgnstcFndmntlst]

Although Greg and I disagree on religion. I have the up most respect for him.

[mayartay]

Agreed. I respect him udderly! :)

[phoenixbrew]

Why don't "jesus people" take care of themselves and leave everyone else alone? Everybody does not believe in these "fairy tales."

[antyamf]

Why don't you take care of yourself and think before you type? Why aren't empty people ever happy to just leave things be as they are? Oh, because they are unhappy! Why are you empty enough to call these "fairy tails"? Is your life a fairy tail? Fairy tails have no meaning.

[Lotus4115]

The stories of the bible are fairy tales. What more should be said? And why would someone be unhappy not believing. I'm a happy person and I don't believe in tooth fairy, do you?

Christians are the ones who can't leave things as they are always trying to force their mythical Jesus crap down everyone's throat.

Think before you type! NUT JOB!

[nickhinshaw]

this guy is saying not to force religion down your throat...thats why he's telling christians to back off of politics...christianity is about God's grace and love and christians living out of and reflecting that love, not politics and shoving christianity down non-christians throats by forcing them to pray and telling homosexuals they cant get married

[Lotus4115]

That's all good but to spread the word or to proselytize is taught in the bible. This is one of main tenets for most religions. Without it they cannot grow.

[nickhinshaw]

i agree...but one can proselytize, but do so in a way that is not incriminating to people...Christ's message is one of acceptance no matter your background...don't let what a few christians do hamper your perception of what christianity truly is, because most of the time, christians lose sight of that and get wrapped up in politics and issues...when our charge as christians is not a charge to change gov, but love people and allow God to work thru us

[braino2000]

Is your life that meaningless/pathetic that you needed to waste time and calories typing that?

[Lotus4115]

The stories of the bible are fairy tales. What more should be said? And why would someone be unhappy not believing. I'm a happy person and I don't believe in tooth fairy, do you?

Christians are the ones who can't leave things as they are always trying to force their mythical Jesus crap down everyone's throat. Think before you type! NUT JOB!

[krphl31]

is your life empty enough for you to spend time typing you r comments? ..please ...

[HeartAngel42]

Thank you mayartay... for you contribution

May God bless you and your family....

Jesus is Beautiful and His Church should resemble.... that radiant projection of profound exaltation as we exalt Jesus....

Atheistxchristian: You will be judged on Judgement Day.... by God Himself...

for your words of contempt against a child of GOD... May God Bless your soul, and yo hit your knees...and worship Jesus Christ.

AMEN!!

[Richardgwm]

Finally, a preacher who actually preaches the philosophy of Jesus.

[vadremo]

Gandhi did not "get it from Jesus".

[mayartay]

There is no doubt that Gandhi studied the gospels and learned a lot from Jesus' teachings. It was western Christianity in its modern form that he largely rejected because he saw it as inconsistent with many of Jesus' teachings.

If you have a quote from Gandhi where he rejected Jesus or the gospels, I'd be interested in seeing it, and please cite the source.

[vadremo]

I didn't say Ghandhi rejected Jesus.

[mayartay]

I am closing comments on my existing videos (posted before this date) because I do not have much time to respond. Also, occasionally there are irrational & spiteful people like ammannojacko/atheistxchristian

/captainstappin5. Looks like he can't make up his mind whether he's atheist or Muslim, but it's one and the same person.

[captainstappin6]

{and I will establish my covenant with[ him] for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his [seed] after him. Gen17: 19}.

GEN 17:19 Is the Isaainic Covenant is to Isaac alone.

It is including Isaac and his Blood Line seeds alone .

It is "Excluding", Abraham ,Ishmael whom they covenant in GEN 17:9 , Sarah , All Gentile Dogs,and even most of today Kyke Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews whom are 95% of world Jews . whom obviously not in Isaac blood line

[mayartay]

We are anointed with the Holy Spirit. We are not merely prophets; we are kings and priests (Rev. 1:6). I will delete any further repetitions of the same comments.

[Atheistxchristian]

1 Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from god comes upon you, and you will feel better."

The bible god Has evil Spirit that also make you feel good.1 Samuel 16:16.,Most Born again idiots have that evil spirit that make them feel good like DRUGS.

The Question is how do you distinguish between Holy spirit and evil spirit. both actually god 's spirits and both make you feel good

[MySecretPumkin]

RE: 1 Samuel 16:16, it's easy to distinguish between a man possessed of the evil spirit vs the Holy Spirit. A man on drugs has empty hollow eyes and his speech is hateful at its base but cloaked in false piety and love. LOL, just like being on a drug.

the holy spirit is reasonable, logical, does not seek its own interests, condemn, judge, or exclude. It feels pain, but endures it with clear eyes and conscience, without hypocrisy.

[Atheistxchristian]

Sorry mayatay...Rev 1:6 is referring to Israelites

Genesis 17:16

I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her

Kings from David line while Priests FROM Levites

Genesis 17:16 NIV • ..Read this chapter

I will bless her (Sarah) and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of "nations"; kings of peoples will come from her

[Atheistxchristian]

Exodus 19:6 NIV • Read this chapter

you [ Or possession, for the whole earth is mine. 6 You ] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites

[mayartay]

You are really quite a strange person to say Rev. 1:6 refers to Israelites/Jews. Nothing you've written deserves a response. You are not supposed to sign up for multiple accounts on YouTube. Keep it up and I will notify YouTube so they can delete the extra accounts.

[mayartay]

Again, look at the context. Jesus healed the woman's daughter. Jesus told the Roman centurion he had more faith than any Jew, and then said people shall come into the kingdom from all parts of the Earth, but the children of the kingdom (i.e., Jews) would be cast out. (Matt. 8:5-13).

[mayartay]

Thus, Jesus prophesied what Christianity looks like today. There are many converts worldwide, but few converts from Judaism.

[mayartay]

The Bible never says to love satan. When Jesus said, "Love your enemy," he was referring to human enemies. Look it up. Do you know what "context" means? You have to read the Bible in context, not invent meanings that were not intended.

[DeletedDelusion]

If a "christian" government fails, it could be seen as a failiour of christ.

Please go and bind yourself with a specific political party. Ah, you already did? Thank you.

[mayartay]

It could be misinterpreted as God failing. However, just because people fail, it does not mean God has failed.

[quemacha]

Whenever people say "God and..." whether it's "God and Country", "God and Conservativism" or anything else, God is always going to be second place to whatever follows the "and". It is just human nature. That is why God says that He is a jealous God (Exodus 34:14).

[mayartay]

Good point! That's something to watch out for.

It could be "God, guns, and gold," "God and my King James Bible," or just about anything.

[voice4orthodox]

Western Culture ≠ Christianity