Homosexual activists understand the power of words.
Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".
The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationship being discussed.
The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.
Other weird things the moonies have influenced or have tried to influence. Moonies are founding members of the NOW movement. They go at least once a year to a all churches in USA meeting to discuss to get all churches to remove the cross from inside the church. weird stupid stuff like that.
as for a brain infection I never heard of it let alone how one could came to have one. Is she really saying she has a real brain infection or is she being metaphorical?
@lezhotty83 I, too , am a bit lost as to what she is saying. I get the impression that she just needs to know the reason as to why she could have joined a cult and this ( though I'm not sure what this is ) is what she has come up with. It seems like she is still looking for a simple solution to complex questions.
The death at Johns town was a Murder. She needs to learn about the illuminati CIA MONARCH MIND CONTROL. RV Moon is with the illuminati. he had secret meetings with the SKULL AND BONES secret society member George Bush
@luttimatos illuminati's tend to live with cults, alot of them came up with the idea ages ago. If you believe that you will go to the moon and god will help you or anything like that, well as long as your not an astronaut then you should concider this as nothing but a cult. Cults should always be left alone. Johns Town murder illuminatis stage things that devistate us people into wishing the world be in a better state to allow them to rule their laws etc. Alot can be tied to illuminati
@lezhotty83 What this people fear most is our spiritual evolution. They are controlled by Fear. That's what their Masters are all about. And if we evolve they no longer can control our lives.
@luttimatos All i know is im not falling for the idea of suicide to go to the moon or the other one where people believe a mothership will come down orb us upward haha. Die when wish to or when it ends up becoming a reality is what I believe in. As for my fears, I fear getting into another cult, or being ruled by a cult group for the rest of my life. I wish for true freedom, freedom from power hungry rich losers. I choose to keep my family, not disown them. I choose to keep my friends.
@lezhotty83 yes stay away from cults.all religion is a cult run by human blooddrinkers. the go vernment is run by the illuminati cult and they eye is everywhere just rightnow as they reading this with you.Have no fear. love is the solution for everything. And about the Aliens,yes we are not the only ones in the universe. And you don't have to agree with it.still we are not the only ones. And that's what they don't wanna us to know but they can't hide it any more. the files are exposed.
seems to me your trying to justify the fact that you were wrong
and you know it,
moonies don't kill jews they embrace them,
moonies don't commit suicide,they embrace life
I hope you and your family are at peace with each other and the world ,as for your cure for brain viral infection, well I don't think you can blame Dr Moon for that one
It's funny someone like this who admits that they were so sick thinks they are not sick anymore and that "now they know" that no evil force is out there to get us. Look Around. I mean it's "brought to you" by GE, an american military industrial complex message, for God's Sake!
Very moving talk, I'd like to have heard more. I have a friend who escaped the moonies and they too have courageously rebuilt their shattered life. Being an individual is the greatest thing we have and these vile cults seek to steal that individualism.
Even the FBI and the CIA know that Rev. Moon is a man of God. They've done more real investigating than anyone and all they found is that the people of
THIS church cut their hair, give away all their belongings and even their lives
to create the climate in this country that our founding fathers lived and died to
create and protect. That's no more grounds for a prison sentence than
loving mankind is grounds for crucifixion. Or is it ? You tell me. That's
@chonesong AHAHAHAHA and the FBI and CIA are working to oppress the world. you think that they would take out a guy who supports their president (little bush) who's father was the head of the CIA?! USE YOUR HEAD AND HEART!
hahahahha Diane, You can do better than that. You are talking nonsense. It is about heart. I am so glad you were jailed. Your group is the brainwasher. We are a religion. Go back to the Moonies and talk to them again. hahahahha you are so unbelievable. Study more Diane and you will find you are wrong. Wrong, wrong.
I've said it before, and occasionally I come back and point this out: Diane's talk does nothing to add to the debate about religious extremism. Completely newbie error to compare Jonestown to every other religious group. Comparing us to suicide bombers and to Hitler youth is just cheap, and totally unwarranted. Also, we don't believe God will solve the problems of the world, but that the problems must be solved by people. The rest of her talk was hypothetical sci-fi B.S.
@Loew01 Exactly. She uses past negative events to her benefit to "convince" the audience, what she says relies on hypothetically linking a new religious movement to what COULD happen based on a reliance of past events where similarlaritys are seen. furthermore she uses her "hope" serenade to relay the consequences of what could happen to encourage that such events can be avoided, she has no substance when she speaks, these deprogrammers are hypocrites to refer to the moonies as brainwasher's
@Loew01 I think she brings up Hitler youth and Jonestown more to make the point that humans can go to some pretty dangerous extremes. Obviously not all religious groups are the same. Memetics is not sci-fi. It may be hypothetical, but you must realize that all science is hypothetical, that is, based on hypothesis.
@tony225 I don't think memetics is sci-fi, but the difference between her theory and science is that usually there is some basis for a hypothesis. Before you go on a TED talk and start talking about 'memetic infections' I think there should be at least some evidence to support it. Her hypothesis is pure BS. Not all hypotheses are scientific... I respect that there is scientific evidence for memetics, but it's not related to Diane's theories.
its good the government made a video for you. I was deprogrammed by the govt. too and asking me the same thing to talk to the public to destroy the image where i came from.Unfortunately the GE or illuminati group has less and auckward understanding of life than the moonies. moonies has a great perspective of life, ONLY when it comes to MONEY it has no difference with any other group. rich go to heaven and poor have to go elsewhere(ask Japan, asia korea etc. for clarification).
As evolved mammals we seek patterns in order to make some logical sense of our environment. Devout religious belief is a by-product of this biological mechanism. We are not hardwired to process the multitude of conflicting paradigms that constitute Religious/Philosophical belief. So we choose according to factors that are largely defined by demographics, upbringing and experience. If a human "need" for a belief-system exists, we are forced to choose one...and to defend our decision.
Richard Dawkins writes authoritatively on the concept of "memes" in "The God Delusion" Very powerful mechanism that propagates belief-systems. It explains a great deal.
Wait...what was her point? She just talked and talked without saying anything concrete. Rev. Sun Myung and Hak Ja Han Moon are the True Parents! And if she can't see that, it's no wonder. She's too busy trying to rationalize herself. The Second Coming is here people. Go search yourself to see this, don't listen to the tripe in that vod. Read Sun Myung Moon's biography; go read the Divine Principle!
Chick is just a weakling, that's all. Her entire demeanor screams "WEAK". The Unification Church and the Divine Principle is the most powerful expression of truth in the world today. I've been in the UC since 1977, and I've torn the Principle from stem to stern, and it is ROCK SOLID. And this was after a very long and painful search through most of the major religions of the world. I WASN'T "vulnerable" in the LEAST. I am very intellectual and analytical, and I'll NEVER be sold a bill of goods
@ConanTheRepublican So are we to assume that of the tens of millions of spiritual Seekers throughout History, however we define them; YOU, in your unique and enhanced knowledge and wisdom, have personally assimilated, collated, reviewed, compared, contrasted, balanced, researched, analysed and clarified the persona and identity of the Living Messiah.
@steveh777ify It has absolutely NOTHING to do with my "wisdom", any more than it had to do with the disciples of Jesus' wisdom. The wisdom lay within the PERSON of the Messiah HIMSELF. All they had to do was first to recognize, then understand, and follow the Messiah. They INHERITED His wisdom, and communicated that to the existing populations of the time. Proving it is not EVEN a remote challenge, bubba. My challenge to you remains: come to San Diego, and hear my Divine Principle presentation
@steveh777ify ...or, for that matter, go to ANY Unification Church, and listen with an open, objective, yet critical mind, (with sincerity), and you'll be easily convinced of the truth of Divine Principle. You see, at SOME point in history, the real deal HAS to come along, and this is it, pure and simple. You see, you've had the fortune (or misfortune depending on your viewpoint), of running into someone who knows his stuff. You come hear MY DP, and YER DONE, Jackson. GUARANTEED.
Just had an encounter with the Moonies! Excellent video and presentation by Diane Benscoter. Honest, sincere, factual, science-supported and presented with love and compassion! There is a Second Coming of Christ in a priesthood not a man. Jesus has appeared to chosen ones. However, it's not one man! His visitation in 1935 might have been authentic but misunderstood. Romans 8:14 says that "Many" that are led by the spirit of God they are the "SONS" of God! Many Sons, not one!
@drkirkanthony Where is the facts and science-supported evidence? She offered none. I even emailed her asking for some and in her reply she was unable to offer any whatsoever. Also, please...."presented with love and compassion" :S....by comparing moonies to Nazis?
you are liying moon didnt say that god will not resolve all the problems around the world its the people arount the word who must to be responsable for theirselfs for theirs own problems ....lol
Well, Jesus' group was called a sect at his time. These days they would be called a "cult".
Sect, cult or whatever slander you want to use, Rev Moon is the Messiah and True Parents of all mankind. We are so blessed ! Dig more deep and you will find out that this is a time of great transition, caused by God and the Messiah.
She's right. We cannot define what some people believe as "natural", and others as "unnatural". If Moonies want to believe that Rev. Moon is the second coming, that is their right. Personally, I don't care what they believe as long as basic human rights are respected.
@smfaces There ya go! That's the ticket! At least you have the objectivity to realize that there ARE people who have FULLY embraced the Divine Principle of their own free will. In fact, there are many very intelligent, college-educated professionals, doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc., even in my own church community that have been with Rev. Moon for 40 years. These are NOT stupid people. Personally, I couldn't even hang with 'em if they were as doltish as some are claiming, here.
@brunoklotz You say that because YOU are brainwashed! Just as I was when I ended up in the Moonies! How do you explain Booneville + Camp K, where everything was regimented + you never could talk with anyone but a moonie + where you got little sleep + had to listen to endless lectures? Where, if you fell asleep from exhaustion, a moonie would rap you on your forehead, saying "sleep spirits" were trying to stop you from hearing Rev. Moon? I could go on + on...
@isabeats this "@brunoklotz guy has been writing reply's to the comments that are critical of the moonie cult, for the last 10,000 years. Almost like its his full time job?! try to tell him that the moonies meet all the criteria for a cult, and its like talking to a BRICK WALL.
@cumacumachameleon are you brainwahed by the bald Korean as well? you know he's just fucking you over dont you? something that only human scum has no problem doing.
Listen, all your nay sayers, the matter of fact is that Rev Moon is the Lord of the second Advent. All eyes will see, sooner or later. Some are bit retarded, because their eyes are covered by their own prejudice etc and because they only believe those who slander Rev Moon.
Better go to revmoonradio. com and find the real thing.
Here's honestly what I don't understand, how is this any different from any other ridiculous religion? The whole photograph with the Moonies above the photograph of the Hitler youth, is a bit of a stretch. I've seen that same type of behavior at a Baptist church. I'm not saying that I give any credence to these people, but I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.
Right. Those who judge others, will be judged themselves in due time. If you point the finger on a person, then three fingers point at yourself.
Bit of a stretch, you say. Well, thats an understatement. But what can one say? Jesus was called blasphemer, was called one who used the devils power etc. Some people just never learn from historical mistakes. For them everyone who thinks out of the box, is kind of a Hitler or Stalin or whatever. Good luck!
Rev Moon has as much intention to "take over" this world as Jesus had. He is not interested in "taking over" such a messed up world, but rahter to transform it into the world of peace and love. He is the Messiah.
If you are not totally brainwashed already, go to revmoonradio. com or reverendsunmyungmoon. org and find out who Rev Moon is, what he does and how he effects the world.
The Moonies try to legitimize their beliefs by saying every law, religion, and faith on the planet is universally connected and through Moon's teachings they will begin to be "true parents" creating "true offspring" which will lead to their version of
"world peace". The head director by my university tried indoctrinating me in all this bullshit and said their main goal is to "take over the world". Be cautious of this cult. Moonies don't mention Moon right away when they first approach you.
so back then the moonies wiggled her toes and her toes where curled up around there finger, but she forced herself to leave and they lost her toes and no longer wiggling.
@MISTERASMODEUS OH, NO... we might actually LEARN something!! HORRORS!!! Someone just MIGHT teach us something about ourselves!! HOW GHASTLY!!! Weak simps. Ya gotta engage yer BRAIN, man. Don't let anyone sell you a bill o' goods. Are you people such wimps that you can't discern truth from fiction? Are you so stupid as to let yourself actually believe that you'll find the spaceship behind the Hale-Bopp comet if you only drink vodka and take barbiturates with nice, new Nike shoes? COME ON!!!
There we are! First they attack Rev Moon and his movement, and now religion as such is being attacked and slandered.
Rev Moon, by the way, teaches, that God works behind ALL religions, that all religions are like a family, and that all of them are supposed to help Gods providence to advance. ALL!
The only consensus I can relate to with ANY religious group, sect, cult or paradigm be it mainstream, fringe or barking mad is that they are ALL correct in asserting that every other belief system is wrong....
Man devised God...not the other way around, why else is all religion a factor of time, location, demographics, race, birthright and indoctrination.
We really need to appreciate the science and knowledge at our disposal in the 21st century.
Well, lets better be happy that the long awaited Lord of the second Advent is on earth. And he transforms this world into the kingdom of God, with the help of God. Praise the Lord!
@brunoklotz ...i will find out for myself if the Moonie cult brainwashes people. Furthermore, if someone gets out of an abusive situation, there likely to talk about it to others, partly because it helps them deal with traumatic experience, its the ABUSER that dosent want them to talk about there experience of being abused!
I wonder what you think about all the people who after many years happily follow Rev Moon and consider your talk about abuse a nonsense. Of course, all brainwashed, you will say. Well, they are heart washed. And heart wash is urgently needed in this spiritually polluted world. Dont you agree?
What she is doing here is not just telling her account, but slandering Rev Moon and his people in the worst possible way. It has nothing to do with the reality, but is pure expression of hatred. Probably she is trying to make a dime, and the best way to do that is to paint such pictures. People are looking for sensation, not for truth.
@Barrettatsumaki "..I admit that the effect religion can often be more drastic but at some point we have to take responsibility for our own actions. I broke out of many things that could have been said to have brainwashed me. Everyone constantly is.."
Thanks for the advise, but you dont even know me...
@asemanasa I was once "brainwashed" by McDonalds add. I had to go and buy that quarter pounder after that! There are a million different things out there that can alter our beliefs, perceptions, and actions. I admit that the effect religion can often be more drastic but at some point we have to take responsibility for our own actions. I broke out of many things that could have been said to have brainwashed me. Everyone constantly is.
@Barrettatsumaki Firstly, how dare you compare my horrible experience to a Mcdonalds add. Secondly, I do not take responsibility for my parents choice to send me to this cult from the age of seven. I managed to cut myself of from this group when i was just 22.
@asemanasa Being forced to join a religion when you are seven is quite a bit worse then choosing to join a "cult" as an adult. I'm not a fan of any religion doing that, although of course they all do.
I didn't make something clear. Many things are always changing our perceptions, beliefs, etc. However, some have worse consequences. A McDonalds add changes my perceptions just as much as religious so called "brainwashing" might......
@asemanasa .....But the consequences of joining the religion may have a much more drastic effect then the McDonalds add. Therefore, you have to judge something on its effects, not on a silly idea of it "brainwashing" people, since a million things do that. This is why Diane's comparison of moonies to Nazis and the Jonestown incident is completely wrong and misleading.
I too was forced to join the moonies; I was born into their church. I left when I was about 15, with no problems whatsoever....
@asemanasa I left because I don't buy into the theology. More specifically, I think that the bible is for the most part a work of fiction. The UC actually have a better good interpretation of the bible that fixes up some of the gaping holes in the Christian theology but in my opinion the bible is untrue to begin with. Why do I stick up for them? Because they are a bunch of great people, with great families and communities. They are one of the religions I see doing the most to help the world....
@asemanasa ....and it has made most of the members happy. They are not a religion that hurts people. To the contrary they do everything they can to help others. I have much more of a problem with religions like Catholicism which is doing some very obvious things that hurts the world. The UC is a force for good in the world. Why wouldn't I defend them? And just to be clear, there are particular aspects that I strongly disagree with them on but I wouldn't' condemn them for those things.
she is entitled to use Nazi Germany as an example of brainwashing even if it is a hyperbole, because that was an example of one man brainwashing an enitre nation into believing that all the worlds problems stem from one thing: the Jewish people. Now Germany is one the hardest countries for cults to survive because they are so tough on groups they suspect of mind control, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO SCIENTOLOGY AND THERE BAD RELATIONSHIP WITH GERMANY? JUST GOOGLE THEM
@asemanasa .....I still maintain contact with many of them and I have a deep respect for them. I didn't have the horrible experience you did, although the reason we were in the religion is the same. The moonies are extremely good people, who are doing a huge amount to help the world. From the sounds of it the religion you were in had much more negative effects.
The whole notion of 'mind control' is ridiculous unless we can admit that there are things everywhere that control our minds.
@Barrettatsumaki thanks for your reply, i am for anyone that speaks out against cult leaders, i do not know if this woman is making money from her talks/books? if she is its probably not enough to bye her own private jet, and properties all over the world, or her own newspaper. I think ive already mentioned to you that experts agree the two worst kinds of mind control come from the Moonies cult and Scientology. Have you looked into this?
@asemanasa I don't think you've understood my argument. If we start to destroy anything we suspect of mind controlling people then we will soon realize how silly this is, since millions of things do all around us. Where do we draw the line? We can't condemn an organization because we suspect it of mind controlling people because soon we will have to condemn almost every religion, government and corporation in the world.....
@asemanasa .....so when should we condemn a group? When the effects it has or the things it is doing are hurting society more then it is helping society. Criticizing a group because we suspect it of brainwashing is illogical and gets us nowhere. We need to focus on the groups that are actually doing harm. Nazis were, the Moonies are not. You can move the argument to different types of governments and corporations too. They all use forms of mind-control.
@asemanasa Lastly, I frankly don't care if some of the experts think that the moonies are one of the most effective at mind control. I'd personally say that the media is more effective but to me it's irrelevant. People's beliefs and perceptions are going to be controlled to some extent. All of us are by something or another.
@Barrettatsumaki NO ONE'S BELIEFS have to be controlled by ANYONE or ANYTHING! COWBOY UP, DAMMIT! Grow a brain. The Bible says: "TEST THE SPIRITS". "Hold FAST to what is fine." Question, cajole-- interrogate! This is serious business. Frankly, I'm sorry the the Heaven's Gate folks lost their lives, but for God's sake man, they were straight-up STUPID with a capital "S", baby. You gotta have some damn discernment, man.
@ConanTheRepublican Wow STFU buddy. You sound like a complete douche-bag talking like that lol. You have no idea how disgusting you sound by calling the heaven's gate members stupid.
I think the stupid thing they are guilty of is believing something so fully without any evidence...but then every single religious person is guilty of that. Probably everyone is to some extent. Unluckily for them it led them to a horrible end.
@Barrettatsumaki I will NOT EVER STFU. "Disgusting" is in the eye of the beholder, chump. They were S-T-U-P-I-D. What part of that did you NOT understand? I reiterate: they were taught by a bona fide NUTJOB that they'd get on a spaceship behind the Hale-Bopp comet if they drank vodka with barbiturates with nice, new Nike shoes and a purple shroud! THAT'S FAR more disgusting and repugnant than ANYTHING I can say! I came to belief in God through SCIENCE and LOGIC, pal. No guilt, here, dude.
@ConanTheRepublican They were misled; they put their faith into something and it was used in a horrible way. That is why faith is such a dangerous thing. Did you come to believe in Rev. Moon through science as well? Do you know that he doesn't believe in evolution, among many other scientific findings? A clear contradiction there. There is no "science" to back up a belief in God. At least not yet; maybe in the future there will be. I could call you S-T-U-P-I-D for putting your faith in Rev Moon.
@Barrettatsumaki Faith is NOT a dangerous thing. Having faith in things that hurt other people is dangerous. Rev Moon has a degree in Electrical Engineering from Waseda Univ. in Japan. He explained the existence of God in the CLEAREST manner I ever heard in my entire life. So yes, I DID come to believe in Rev Moon very much thru science. He DOES believe in evolution. He just doesn't believe in it the way ATHEISTS believe in it. He believes GOD was directly involved in the evolutionary process
@ConanTheRepublican We are on the same page. I think that the Heaven's Gate religion was a real problem. I don't think the Unification Church is. Heaven's Gate member's faith made them commit suicide. UC faith makes the members do good for others. That is exactly why I am defending the UC on this youtube page.
It's not the fact that Rev Moon doesn't believe it in the way atheists, do; it's that he doesn't believe in it the way biologists do.
@ConanTheRepublican I'm sorry but that just isn't science.....there's nothing wrong with it at all, but you can't say you came to believe in God through science. I'm a deist because I think it's the best hypothesis at the moment to explain the existence of the universe. However, there isn't any science to back up my belief at this point.
@ConanTheRepublican So are you telling me that your beliefs and perceptions are not influenced at all by anyone else, or your surroundings? The media? People you respect? Religious figures you follow? Your culture? etc, etc. You are able to formulate your beliefs completely on your own, without any outside influences, in a completely unbiased way? Yeah right.......
The simple fact is that we are not completely in control of our own beliefs and perceptions.
@Barrettatsumaki Now, let's deal with THIS grade-school crap... of course, belief is INFLUENCED by "input" from MANY different sources. I'm no exception. But I FILTER MY INPUT, MAN!! I take what I think is true and correct, and throw the rest away. Ya know, the ol' "wheat and chaff" thing? But a Biblical reference is lost on you, huh? I have ALWAYS wrestled the truth to the ground, until it cries: "UNCLE!" I'm no easy touch, bubba. To get ME to follow Him, Rev. Moon HAD to be special.
@ConanTheRepublican Stop making silly little condescending and rude remarks everywhere mate, it just makes you look immature. Do you realize that I was supporting unification church followers with my comments before?
You can't filter all inputs. Besides, I never said anything that conflicted with what you are saying now. My point was simply that "brainwashing" is a silly term. If you want to say moonies are brainwashed, you have to say that all religious people are. You have to say that....
@Barrettatsumaki My comments are incisive and brilliant observations, based on YEARS of dealing with folks such as yourself. Maybe YOU can't filter your inputs, but I CAN and DO all the time. I will tell you that I do appreciate your objectivity in at least recognizing that the Unification Church does not intentionally hurt others, and we really do a LOT of good in this world. As I said before, to tame ME, Rev Moon HAD to be special. By my NATURE, I'm not a follower. Like tryin' to break a horse
@ConanTheRepublican To be honest I don't really know what you're trying to argue with me about? I wasn't attacking believers; I was just making a simple point about why it's a silly accusation to say that UC members are brainwashed. I was saying to some random that if he wants to make that accusation, he has to recognize that he himself may be "brainwashed" by something else.
@ConanTheRepublican ....anyone affected by advertising or the media is brainwashed. You have to say that anyone who has a bias in their opinions due to the culture they grew up in is brainwashed. Basically everyone is influenced by something or other. No one is able to have beliefs completely free of all bias. So what is wrong with believing in the DP?? People with faith in the DP don't commit mass suicides, or intentionally hurt others; they tend to do a lot of good.
@ConanTheRepublican Out of curiosity, do you think that you are a completely rational person? Have you developed your "filtering" mechanism completely without outside influence or emotion? How do you know that the way you have been brought up or what others have taught you, among other things, haven't effected the way you "filter" your input?
@Barrettatsumaki Good GOD, man? How do you LIVE that way? I'm 57 freaking years OLD, man! I'm not 14 years old! I am a mature, married, ex-military, responsible, rational man that has sorted thru his issues, and I believe what I believe. Why is that so damn hard to understand? What YOU cannot deal with is people who actually BELIEVE in something, because YOU believe in NOTHING! It scares the hell out of people like yourself. You know very well that most believers are pretty sharp folks
@ConanTheRepublican Calm down man. Stop going on the attack. I never said I didn't believe in anything. I'm just aware that many of those beliefs may be biased. Also, I've never said that believers are not sharp. You need to chill out.
You called other believers of another religion stupid; I'm pointing out an inconsistency there. I don't actually think you're stupid, or else I'd be saying my parents are stupid as well :)
Why did you not disconnect from the UC much earlier if you found everything so horrible? That would be the normal thing to do. Why did you stay until 22?
@asemanasa Means yer WEAK, and a simp, that's all. Cowboy up, man. Be aggressive--wrestle the truth to the GROUND, until you KNOW it's true! Don't let ANYONE push you around. I studied the Principle for TWO SOLID MONTHS, at my own insistence! I brought a Bible with me, and I asked question after question. I never let anyone get away with ANYTHING, until my questions were answered to my satisfaction. Only THEN did I even contemplate making my commitment to this church. It's serious stuff.
@brunoklotz ive read all of your comments, what is your problem man? she use to be a Moonie, and now she is out of that cult, now she is telling her account to others, can you explain to me why you have a problem with that?
People dont become "Moonies" because of lack of thinking. Rather its the opposite. They think more deeply then others, and have on top of that their spiritual eyes open, as opposed to many others.
To follow a controversial person as Rev Moon is not possible without thinking deeply. It takes much thought and prayer to find the light in the darkness, means to find the Messiah in a world that ridicules him. Only people who go against the stream can find the Messiah, at least at this stage.
there is no neuroscientific disease explanation - whenever you rely on the opinion of others and do exclude your own thoughts, experiences and feelings i.e. common sense (can be in any cultural context) you are in danger of doing what you later might view inside as inhuman act - e.g. revolutionaries killing others for noble ideals (French revolution), Nazis (killing to save own people from communism and poverty caused by Jews - Nazis thought so), terrorists killing nonbelievers - Think yourself!
And this "deprogramming" is big business in Japan, even at this hour. Members get kidnapped, imprisoned in some hidden place, mistreated and raped. Some commit suicide out of desparation. And the relatives pay big money for those criminals, out of ignorance. And the police says its family matter, and turns a blind eye. Only after 43 years these things become more and more exposed. Praise the Lord. God have mercy with those criminals, once they are in court.
Since 43 years members of UC get kidnapped, confined and even raped, to break their faith. The bottom line is that its big business. Around 4300 members have been illegally deprived of their human rights. May God have mercy.
Oh and this bitch should be in prison, "deprogrammers" were simply criminals, who kidnapped people and attempted to use propaganda to brainwash them in the other direction. It's obvious from this video, the way she uses irrelevant but scary pictures.
@Barrettatsumaki your comments dont make any sense and how can anyone take you seriously if you call her a bitch. You should think more carefully before speak/ comment. I dont think there is anything wrong with her presentation.
@asemanasa Are you slow or something? Your replies hold no substance. You are simply attacking others' comments on the basis that you didn't understand them.
And I am calling her a bitch because that is exactly what she is; she's worse then that, she's a criminal. She admitted it herself in this video by talking about her deprogramming days.
@asemanasa What I find wrong with her talk is that she is singling out Moonies and other so-called cults. She attempts to suggest that people join based on some type of neuroscientific disease. It runs along similar lines as the whole "brainwashing" idea. I think it's for the most part a load of crap.
However, say it is true, this neuroscientific disease would hold for people believing almost anything, or falling for any type of advertising. Singling out cults makes absolutely no sense.
@Barrettatsumaki but that was the whole point of her talk, to talk about cults more specifically the Moonies, she is giving her account on what it was like to be a part of what scholars agree to be, along with the cult of Scientology, the two worst forms of mind control. From what i recall she was COMPARING mind control to a disease that takes over the brain. I just found your comments, along with many others, to be incredibly hostile and scurrilous?! why is this?
@asemanasa Two reasons. Firstly, because she was a deprogrammer, something which sickens me greatly and rightfully should. I know many people who were kidnapped for weeks & months against their will, forced to watch and hear propaganda against everything they believe. The second reason is her approach in this presentation. She offers no evidence for her claims and she unjustifiably compares the moonies to the Nazis and to the Jonestown incident. Informed people know how ridiculous this is.
Well, as someone who, as a "deprogrammer" (means kidnapper) stripped illegally people of their human rights and did " faithbreaking", she has to justify her wrong doings, as it seems. Wonder if God will accept that. She better repents.
@brunoklotz aside from all that, " Rev " Moon claims he was visited by an angel and asked to do Gods work on earth, GUESS WHAT?! thats the same story that Joseph Smith(the founder of the Mormon cult) used to persuade people to join his cult! and these two charlatans are not the only ones who claim to have been visited by angels! JUST GOOGLE CULT LEADERS and you might be shocked. re this woman and her talk, shes aloud to say whatever she wants about the Moonie cult(free speech) i will....
@asemanasa Sounds similar to Jesus' story too....oh and Muhammad's as well, among many others.These mainstream religions used these stories to persuade people to join their religions. Are they cults too? Are Jesus and Muhammad cult leaders?
Well, then for you surely every religion is a cult. Since an angel appeared to Mohammed, Jesus appeard to St Paul, etc, etc.
Well, I tell you what: Without the world religions (that yuou discredit as cults) the world would be a worse place. Human rights for example have their roots in Christianity.
@brunoklotz "...Mormonism is psychological cannibalism..." the same can be said about all totalitarian groups like Mormons, Moonies, Nazi Germany, Scientology.
I'm an atheist now, but I grew up in this church and I have to say from both personal experience and understanding theologies of many religions, including theirs, the moonies are much...much better for the world then most mainstream religions (e.g. Catholics, Christians, Muslims).
Most of the moonies' current actions have to do with uniting different religions, ethnicities and people, and giving aid to third world countries. So hey, better to be brainwashed by them then a disgusting religion.
Folks, God is more and more excercising his power based on the spiritual foundation of Rev Moon and his movement. The evil world is coming to an end, while the Kingdom of God is in the process of emerging gradually.
Many just are not able to see it, because they are blind although they have eyes.
Who could believe Moon was a Messiah anyway. He didn't even have a proper Mothership. Real Messiahs these days land in a Mothership. Everyone knows that.The Heaven Gate folks had one. The Raelians have a few. I'm pretty sure the scientologists have one too, but they always deny it. Rather selfish of them not to share their Mothership I would say.Get in the 21st Century folks, if your cult leader hasn't got a Mothership you should be very suspicious.
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Other weird things the moonies have influenced or have tried to influence. Moonies are founding members of the NOW movement. They go at least once a year to a all churches in USA meeting to discuss to get all churches to remove the cross from inside the church. weird stupid stuff like that.
inachu 1 week ago
just question everything stop being lazy and question. if someone gets mad at a question there is something wrong with them not you.
cronoscum 3 weeks ago
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yes only our religion is right, and the others are satans.
That kind of thinking made all the most crual wars in history..
allthough it has been well proven that 80% of the riligions teach the same thing,
and the 20% is just dogma.
evil is inside not outside
karlthery2 3 weeks ago
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karlthery2 3 weeks ago
There actually is an evil force that is "out to get us". It is known as Satan and his legions.
DeoGratias02 1 month ago
@DeoGratias02 You are who this talk was aimed at.
DannyPhantomBeast 3 weeks ago
lol you can actualy give brain infection with words lol,
never heard of that, it must be very powerfull words lol
karlthery2 1 month ago
as for a brain infection I never heard of it let alone how one could came to have one. Is she really saying she has a real brain infection or is she being metaphorical?
lezhotty83 4 months ago
@lezhotty83 I, too , am a bit lost as to what she is saying. I get the impression that she just needs to know the reason as to why she could have joined a cult and this ( though I'm not sure what this is ) is what she has come up with. It seems like she is still looking for a simple solution to complex questions.
Smithpolly 4 months ago
The death at Johns town was a Murder. She needs to learn about the illuminati CIA MONARCH MIND CONTROL. RV Moon is with the illuminati. he had secret meetings with the SKULL AND BONES secret society member George Bush
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@luttimatos illuminati's tend to live with cults, alot of them came up with the idea ages ago. If you believe that you will go to the moon and god will help you or anything like that, well as long as your not an astronaut then you should concider this as nothing but a cult. Cults should always be left alone. Johns Town murder illuminatis stage things that devistate us people into wishing the world be in a better state to allow them to rule their laws etc. Alot can be tied to illuminati
lezhotty83 4 months ago
@lezhotty83 What this people fear most is our spiritual evolution. They are controlled by Fear. That's what their Masters are all about. And if we evolve they no longer can control our lives.
luttimatos 4 months ago
@luttimatos All i know is im not falling for the idea of suicide to go to the moon or the other one where people believe a mothership will come down orb us upward haha. Die when wish to or when it ends up becoming a reality is what I believe in. As for my fears, I fear getting into another cult, or being ruled by a cult group for the rest of my life. I wish for true freedom, freedom from power hungry rich losers. I choose to keep my family, not disown them. I choose to keep my friends.
lezhotty83 4 months ago
@lezhotty83 yes stay away from cults.all religion is a cult run by human blooddrinkers. the go vernment is run by the illuminati cult and they eye is everywhere just rightnow as they reading this with you.Have no fear. love is the solution for everything. And about the Aliens,yes we are not the only ones in the universe. And you don't have to agree with it.still we are not the only ones. And that's what they don't wanna us to know but they can't hide it any more. the files are exposed.
luttimatos 4 months ago
????? huh???
kckong3 5 months ago
They're sociopaths ! It's called iggy their riggy !
IDoNotUseFlourToCook 7 months ago
She's now an Amway IBO. Some people never learn !
steveh777ify 7 months ago
seems to me your trying to justify the fact that you were wrong
and you know it,
moonies don't kill jews they embrace them,
moonies don't commit suicide,they embrace life
I hope you and your family are at peace with each other and the world ,as for your cure for brain viral infection, well I don't think you can blame Dr Moon for that one
May God bless you and your family
royrodel 7 months ago
@royrodel ur rearded, the end!
SmelDiferenToMidget 7 months ago
so who's the brainwasher here????
cumacumachameleon 7 months ago
random images attempting to support a lose theory
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BigFoot783 8 months ago
It's funny someone like this who admits that they were so sick thinks they are not sick anymore and that "now they know" that no evil force is out there to get us. Look Around. I mean it's "brought to you" by GE, an american military industrial complex message, for God's Sake!
muzapstar 8 months ago
all religious dogma is dangerous
Frizzurd 8 months ago
Very moving talk, I'd like to have heard more. I have a friend who escaped the moonies and they too have courageously rebuilt their shattered life. Being an individual is the greatest thing we have and these vile cults seek to steal that individualism.
ellenmeilee 8 months ago
Even the FBI and the CIA know that Rev. Moon is a man of God. They've done more real investigating than anyone and all they found is that the people of
THIS church cut their hair, give away all their belongings and even their lives
to create the climate in this country that our founding fathers lived and died to
create and protect. That's no more grounds for a prison sentence than
loving mankind is grounds for crucifixion. Or is it ? You tell me. That's
why he was accused of tax evasion.
chonesong 8 months ago
@chonesong AHAHAHAHA and the FBI and CIA are working to oppress the world. you think that they would take out a guy who supports their president (little bush) who's father was the head of the CIA?! USE YOUR HEAD AND HEART!
muzapstar 8 months ago
Stop blaming it on something happend goddamn! You are a religious nut.
LittleTownInNorway 8 months ago
ZZZZZzzz God isnt the messiah....zzzZZZZ
Eteamproduction2013 8 months ago
hahahahha Diane, You can do better than that. You are talking nonsense. It is about heart. I am so glad you were jailed. Your group is the brainwasher. We are a religion. Go back to the Moonies and talk to them again. hahahahha you are so unbelievable. Study more Diane and you will find you are wrong. Wrong, wrong.
rea201722 8 months ago
I've said it before, and occasionally I come back and point this out: Diane's talk does nothing to add to the debate about religious extremism. Completely newbie error to compare Jonestown to every other religious group. Comparing us to suicide bombers and to Hitler youth is just cheap, and totally unwarranted. Also, we don't believe God will solve the problems of the world, but that the problems must be solved by people. The rest of her talk was hypothetical sci-fi B.S.
Loew01 9 months ago
@Loew01 Exactly. She uses past negative events to her benefit to "convince" the audience, what she says relies on hypothetically linking a new religious movement to what COULD happen based on a reliance of past events where similarlaritys are seen. furthermore she uses her "hope" serenade to relay the consequences of what could happen to encourage that such events can be avoided, she has no substance when she speaks, these deprogrammers are hypocrites to refer to the moonies as brainwasher's
ints13 8 months ago
@Loew01 I think she brings up Hitler youth and Jonestown more to make the point that humans can go to some pretty dangerous extremes. Obviously not all religious groups are the same. Memetics is not sci-fi. It may be hypothetical, but you must realize that all science is hypothetical, that is, based on hypothesis.
tony225 8 months ago
@tony225 I don't think memetics is sci-fi, but the difference between her theory and science is that usually there is some basis for a hypothesis. Before you go on a TED talk and start talking about 'memetic infections' I think there should be at least some evidence to support it. Her hypothesis is pure BS. Not all hypotheses are scientific... I respect that there is scientific evidence for memetics, but it's not related to Diane's theories.
Loew01 8 months ago
its good the government made a video for you. I was deprogrammed by the govt. too and asking me the same thing to talk to the public to destroy the image where i came from.Unfortunately the GE or illuminati group has less and auckward understanding of life than the moonies. moonies has a great perspective of life, ONLY when it comes to MONEY it has no difference with any other group. rich go to heaven and poor have to go elsewhere(ask Japan, asia korea etc. for clarification).
junflores30000 9 months ago
Now that was lame.
guardian1111 10 months ago
The post-christian west. Young yuppies believing anything. Moonies, jonestown, PC.
knightschwartz 10 months ago
They let just about anyone on TED now.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
...Wow, she acknowledges viral memetic infection. She's half-way there to understanding !
steveh777ify 10 months ago
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steveh777ify 10 months ago
As evolved mammals we seek patterns in order to make some logical sense of our environment. Devout religious belief is a by-product of this biological mechanism. We are not hardwired to process the multitude of conflicting paradigms that constitute Religious/Philosophical belief. So we choose according to factors that are largely defined by demographics, upbringing and experience. If a human "need" for a belief-system exists, we are forced to choose one...and to defend our decision.
steveh777ify 10 months ago
You have to be brainwashed to believe a talking donkey existed. Or stupid.
lesliekwan80 10 months ago
Richard Dawkins writes authoritatively on the concept of "memes" in "The God Delusion" Very powerful mechanism that propagates belief-systems. It explains a great deal.
steveh777ify 10 months ago
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Wait...what was her point? She just talked and talked without saying anything concrete. Rev. Sun Myung and Hak Ja Han Moon are the True Parents! And if she can't see that, it's no wonder. She's too busy trying to rationalize herself. The Second Coming is here people. Go search yourself to see this, don't listen to the tripe in that vod. Read Sun Myung Moon's biography; go read the Divine Principle!
kyungsunorr 10 months ago
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kyungsunorr 10 months ago
Chick is just a weakling, that's all. Her entire demeanor screams "WEAK". The Unification Church and the Divine Principle is the most powerful expression of truth in the world today. I've been in the UC since 1977, and I've torn the Principle from stem to stern, and it is ROCK SOLID. And this was after a very long and painful search through most of the major religions of the world. I WASN'T "vulnerable" in the LEAST. I am very intellectual and analytical, and I'll NEVER be sold a bill of goods
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican So are we to assume that of the tens of millions of spiritual Seekers throughout History, however we define them; YOU, in your unique and enhanced knowledge and wisdom, have personally assimilated, collated, reviewed, compared, contrasted, balanced, researched, analysed and clarified the persona and identity of the Living Messiah.
.....Prove It !
steveh777ify 10 months ago
@steveh777ify It has absolutely NOTHING to do with my "wisdom", any more than it had to do with the disciples of Jesus' wisdom. The wisdom lay within the PERSON of the Messiah HIMSELF. All they had to do was first to recognize, then understand, and follow the Messiah. They INHERITED His wisdom, and communicated that to the existing populations of the time. Proving it is not EVEN a remote challenge, bubba. My challenge to you remains: come to San Diego, and hear my Divine Principle presentation
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@steveh777ify ...or, for that matter, go to ANY Unification Church, and listen with an open, objective, yet critical mind, (with sincerity), and you'll be easily convinced of the truth of Divine Principle. You see, at SOME point in history, the real deal HAS to come along, and this is it, pure and simple. You see, you've had the fortune (or misfortune depending on your viewpoint), of running into someone who knows his stuff. You come hear MY DP, and YER DONE, Jackson. GUARANTEED.
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
Hahahaha..... funny woman.....
davidgribeiro 10 months ago
ahhahahhahahaha diane............what a twat
cumacumachameleon 11 months ago
if you cant make your point without showing a picture of "the leg of a suicide bomber", your point isnt strong enough.
Ramsez 11 months ago
Just had an encounter with the Moonies! Excellent video and presentation by Diane Benscoter. Honest, sincere, factual, science-supported and presented with love and compassion! There is a Second Coming of Christ in a priesthood not a man. Jesus has appeared to chosen ones. However, it's not one man! His visitation in 1935 might have been authentic but misunderstood. Romans 8:14 says that "Many" that are led by the spirit of God they are the "SONS" of God! Many Sons, not one!
drkirkanthony 1 year ago
@drkirkanthony Where is the facts and science-supported evidence? She offered none. I even emailed her asking for some and in her reply she was unable to offer any whatsoever. Also, please...."presented with love and compassion" :S....by comparing moonies to Nazis?
Barrettatsumaki 11 months ago
Brains work by associating not rationalizing... that's how we have evolved.
infinitehumanstupid 1 year ago
you are liying moon didnt say that god will not resolve all the problems around the world its the people arount the word who must to be responsable for theirselfs for theirs own problems ....lol
MARYASTRID1985 1 year ago
Well, Jesus' group was called a sect at his time. These days they would be called a "cult".
Sect, cult or whatever slander you want to use, Rev Moon is the Messiah and True Parents of all mankind. We are so blessed ! Dig more deep and you will find out that this is a time of great transition, caused by God and the Messiah.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz haha =D best trolling.
infinitehumanstupid 1 year ago
She's right. We cannot define what some people believe as "natural", and others as "unnatural". If Moonies want to believe that Rev. Moon is the second coming, that is their right. Personally, I don't care what they believe as long as basic human rights are respected.
smfaces 1 year ago
@smfaces There ya go! That's the ticket! At least you have the objectivity to realize that there ARE people who have FULLY embraced the Divine Principle of their own free will. In fact, there are many very intelligent, college-educated professionals, doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc., even in my own church community that have been with Rev. Moon for 40 years. These are NOT stupid people. Personally, I couldn't even hang with 'em if they were as doltish as some are claiming, here.
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
your hella fucked up !
510youngThug 1 year ago
I better repeat myself for those who prefer to put their head in the sand: Rev Moon is the Lord of the second advent.
Go to revmoonradio. com, if you dare so. Otherwise enjoy your blindness.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz No one cares.
PurpleNurpleUrple 1 year ago
For all those nay sayers again: Rev Moon is the Lord of the second Advent, if you like it or not.
Go to revmoonradio. com and find some enlightenment, if you dare so.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz You say that because YOU are brainwashed! Just as I was when I ended up in the Moonies! How do you explain Booneville + Camp K, where everything was regimented + you never could talk with anyone but a moonie + where you got little sleep + had to listen to endless lectures? Where, if you fell asleep from exhaustion, a moonie would rap you on your forehead, saying "sleep spirits" were trying to stop you from hearing Rev. Moon? I could go on + on...
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isabeats 1 year ago
@isabeats this "@brunoklotz guy has been writing reply's to the comments that are critical of the moonie cult, for the last 10,000 years. Almost like its his full time job?! try to tell him that the moonies meet all the criteria for a cult, and its like talking to a BRICK WALL.
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa Yeah, I won't waste my time any further with the deluded brunoklotz. I hope he has a hard time selling all those flowers!
"I am your mind." Rev Moon
isabeats 1 year ago
@isabeats He didn't say: "I am your mind". He said: "I am your BRAIN". ROFL. Chew on that a while.
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican He said BOTH.
isabeats 10 months ago
@asemanasa blah blah blah
cumacumachameleon 11 months ago
@cumacumachameleon cay you try to put a proper sentence together you pathetic sack of brainwashed grey matter.
asemanasa 11 months ago
@cumacumachameleon are you brainwahed by the bald Korean as well? you know he's just fucking you over dont you? something that only human scum has no problem doing.
asemanasa 11 months ago
@asemanasa Brain washed......no. Heart washed........yes
Can i asked whats your evidence????
cumacumachameleon 11 months ago
@brunoklotz I'd rather be a "nay sayer" than joining a cult! Plus if you're posting links on here to redirect others, it's called spam.
TheENweb 1 year ago
Listen, all your nay sayers, the matter of fact is that Rev Moon is the Lord of the second Advent. All eyes will see, sooner or later. Some are bit retarded, because their eyes are covered by their own prejudice etc and because they only believe those who slander Rev Moon.
Better go to revmoonradio. com and find the real thing.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
Here's honestly what I don't understand, how is this any different from any other ridiculous religion? The whole photograph with the Moonies above the photograph of the Hitler youth, is a bit of a stretch. I've seen that same type of behavior at a Baptist church. I'm not saying that I give any credence to these people, but I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.
fflybz 1 year ago
@fflybz
Right. Those who judge others, will be judged themselves in due time. If you point the finger on a person, then three fingers point at yourself.
Bit of a stretch, you say. Well, thats an understatement. But what can one say? Jesus was called blasphemer, was called one who used the devils power etc. Some people just never learn from historical mistakes. For them everyone who thinks out of the box, is kind of a Hitler or Stalin or whatever. Good luck!
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You can also go to moonsanmyung.blogspot. com and find further enlightenment, unless you prefer to remain a nay sayer.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
Rev Moon has as much intention to "take over" this world as Jesus had. He is not interested in "taking over" such a messed up world, but rahter to transform it into the world of peace and love. He is the Messiah.
If you are not totally brainwashed already, go to revmoonradio. com or reverendsunmyungmoon. org and find out who Rev Moon is, what he does and how he effects the world.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
The Moonies try to legitimize their beliefs by saying every law, religion, and faith on the planet is universally connected and through Moon's teachings they will begin to be "true parents" creating "true offspring" which will lead to their version of
"world peace". The head director by my university tried indoctrinating me in all this bullshit and said their main goal is to "take over the world". Be cautious of this cult. Moonies don't mention Moon right away when they first approach you.
jaranarm 1 year ago
so back then the moonies wiggled her toes and her toes where curled up around there finger, but she forced herself to leave and they lost her toes and no longer wiggling.
JaminHell 1 year ago
Of course mean insightful. Heh heh
MISTERASMODEUS 1 year ago
Really inciteful and scary. This could happen to any of us. Or any of our children
MISTERASMODEUS 1 year ago
@MISTERASMODEUS OH, NO... we might actually LEARN something!! HORRORS!!! Someone just MIGHT teach us something about ourselves!! HOW GHASTLY!!! Weak simps. Ya gotta engage yer BRAIN, man. Don't let anyone sell you a bill o' goods. Are you people such wimps that you can't discern truth from fiction? Are you so stupid as to let yourself actually believe that you'll find the spaceship behind the Hale-Bopp comet if you only drink vodka and take barbiturates with nice, new Nike shoes? COME ON!!!
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
Christians need to be deprogrammed.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 brilliant. >snore!<....
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
Some people only can slander the Messiah from their extremely narrow and intolerant viewpoint. Well, I hope God forgives them.
Those who are smart go on revmoonradio. com and find the truth about Rev Moon.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
There we are! First they attack Rev Moon and his movement, and now religion as such is being attacked and slandered.
Rev Moon, by the way, teaches, that God works behind ALL religions, that all religions are like a family, and that all of them are supposed to help Gods providence to advance. ALL!
brunoklotz 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins covered it in detail, incidentally, in "The God Delusion"
in the chapter entitled "Tread softly for you tread on my memes"
Makes a great deal of sense to me, and explains so much.
steveh777ify 1 year ago
Fantastic posting ! Viral memetic infection???
Now that covers a broad spectrun of religious and quasi-religious delusions from Amway thru to Catholicism.
...I'm lovin' it !
steveh777ify 1 year ago
The only consensus I can relate to with ANY religious group, sect, cult or paradigm be it mainstream, fringe or barking mad is that they are ALL correct in asserting that every other belief system is wrong....
Man devised God...not the other way around, why else is all religion a factor of time, location, demographics, race, birthright and indoctrination.
We really need to appreciate the science and knowledge at our disposal in the 21st century.
Imagine No Religion. ......It Works for me !
steveh777ify 1 year ago
Well, lets better be happy that the long awaited Lord of the second Advent is on earth. And he transforms this world into the kingdom of God, with the help of God. Praise the Lord!
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steveh777ify 1 year ago
Some people who had/have problems with their parents and get resentful, blame Rev Moon and the movement.
Other people blame God or the Pope, while atheists blame the society or religion.
Well, its always very easy to find some scape goat and thus to avoid looking at oneself.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
Some people seem to believe that EVERY religious person is brainwashed. Good luck with such narrow and unrealistic concepts.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz ...i will find out for myself if the Moonie cult brainwashes people. Furthermore, if someone gets out of an abusive situation, there likely to talk about it to others, partly because it helps them deal with traumatic experience, its the ABUSER that dosent want them to talk about there experience of being abused!
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa
I wonder what you think about all the people who after many years happily follow Rev Moon and consider your talk about abuse a nonsense. Of course, all brainwashed, you will say. Well, they are heart washed. And heart wash is urgently needed in this spiritually polluted world. Dont you agree?
brunoklotz 1 year ago
What she is doing here is not just telling her account, but slandering Rev Moon and his people in the worst possible way. It has nothing to do with the reality, but is pure expression of hatred. Probably she is trying to make a dime, and the best way to do that is to paint such pictures. People are looking for sensation, not for truth.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
I WAS ONCE BRAINWASHED BY A FRINGE FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST GROUP, AND I CAN IDENTIFY WITH EVERYTHING THIS WOMAN IS SAYING.
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Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki "..I admit that the effect religion can often be more drastic but at some point we have to take responsibility for our own actions. I broke out of many things that could have been said to have brainwashed me. Everyone constantly is.."
Thanks for the advise, but you dont even know me...
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa I was once "brainwashed" by McDonalds add. I had to go and buy that quarter pounder after that! There are a million different things out there that can alter our beliefs, perceptions, and actions. I admit that the effect religion can often be more drastic but at some point we have to take responsibility for our own actions. I broke out of many things that could have been said to have brainwashed me. Everyone constantly is.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki Firstly, how dare you compare my horrible experience to a Mcdonalds add. Secondly, I do not take responsibility for my parents choice to send me to this cult from the age of seven. I managed to cut myself of from this group when i was just 22.
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa Being forced to join a religion when you are seven is quite a bit worse then choosing to join a "cult" as an adult. I'm not a fan of any religion doing that, although of course they all do.
I didn't make something clear. Many things are always changing our perceptions, beliefs, etc. However, some have worse consequences. A McDonalds add changes my perceptions just as much as religious so called "brainwashing" might......
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@asemanasa .....But the consequences of joining the religion may have a much more drastic effect then the McDonalds add. Therefore, you have to judge something on its effects, not on a silly idea of it "brainwashing" people, since a million things do that. This is why Diane's comparison of moonies to Nazis and the Jonestown incident is completely wrong and misleading.
I too was forced to join the moonies; I was born into their church. I left when I was about 15, with no problems whatsoever....
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki so why did you leave the moonies then? why are you still sticking up for them?
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa I left because I don't buy into the theology. More specifically, I think that the bible is for the most part a work of fiction. The UC actually have a better good interpretation of the bible that fixes up some of the gaping holes in the Christian theology but in my opinion the bible is untrue to begin with. Why do I stick up for them? Because they are a bunch of great people, with great families and communities. They are one of the religions I see doing the most to help the world....
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@asemanasa ....and it has made most of the members happy. They are not a religion that hurts people. To the contrary they do everything they can to help others. I have much more of a problem with religions like Catholicism which is doing some very obvious things that hurts the world. The UC is a force for good in the world. Why wouldn't I defend them? And just to be clear, there are particular aspects that I strongly disagree with them on but I wouldn't' condemn them for those things.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
Respond to this video...
she is entitled to use Nazi Germany as an example of brainwashing even if it is a hyperbole, because that was an example of one man brainwashing an enitre nation into believing that all the worlds problems stem from one thing: the Jewish people. Now Germany is one the hardest countries for cults to survive because they are so tough on groups they suspect of mind control, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO SCIENTOLOGY AND THERE BAD RELATIONSHIP WITH GERMANY? JUST GOOGLE THEM
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa .....I still maintain contact with many of them and I have a deep respect for them. I didn't have the horrible experience you did, although the reason we were in the religion is the same. The moonies are extremely good people, who are doing a huge amount to help the world. From the sounds of it the religion you were in had much more negative effects.
The whole notion of 'mind control' is ridiculous unless we can admit that there are things everywhere that control our minds.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki thanks for your reply, i am for anyone that speaks out against cult leaders, i do not know if this woman is making money from her talks/books? if she is its probably not enough to bye her own private jet, and properties all over the world, or her own newspaper. I think ive already mentioned to you that experts agree the two worst kinds of mind control come from the Moonies cult and Scientology. Have you looked into this?
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa I don't think you've understood my argument. If we start to destroy anything we suspect of mind controlling people then we will soon realize how silly this is, since millions of things do all around us. Where do we draw the line? We can't condemn an organization because we suspect it of mind controlling people because soon we will have to condemn almost every religion, government and corporation in the world.....
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@asemanasa .....so when should we condemn a group? When the effects it has or the things it is doing are hurting society more then it is helping society. Criticizing a group because we suspect it of brainwashing is illogical and gets us nowhere. We need to focus on the groups that are actually doing harm. Nazis were, the Moonies are not. You can move the argument to different types of governments and corporations too. They all use forms of mind-control.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@asemanasa Lastly, I frankly don't care if some of the experts think that the moonies are one of the most effective at mind control. I'd personally say that the media is more effective but to me it's irrelevant. People's beliefs and perceptions are going to be controlled to some extent. All of us are by something or another.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki yeah they are both forms of deception with a veneer of kindness or good intentions.
asemanasa 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki NO ONE'S BELIEFS have to be controlled by ANYONE or ANYTHING! COWBOY UP, DAMMIT! Grow a brain. The Bible says: "TEST THE SPIRITS". "Hold FAST to what is fine." Question, cajole-- interrogate! This is serious business. Frankly, I'm sorry the the Heaven's Gate folks lost their lives, but for God's sake man, they were straight-up STUPID with a capital "S", baby. You gotta have some damn discernment, man.
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican Wow STFU buddy. You sound like a complete douche-bag talking like that lol. You have no idea how disgusting you sound by calling the heaven's gate members stupid.
I think the stupid thing they are guilty of is believing something so fully without any evidence...but then every single religious person is guilty of that. Probably everyone is to some extent. Unluckily for them it led them to a horrible end.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@Barrettatsumaki I will NOT EVER STFU. "Disgusting" is in the eye of the beholder, chump. They were S-T-U-P-I-D. What part of that did you NOT understand? I reiterate: they were taught by a bona fide NUTJOB that they'd get on a spaceship behind the Hale-Bopp comet if they drank vodka with barbiturates with nice, new Nike shoes and a purple shroud! THAT'S FAR more disgusting and repugnant than ANYTHING I can say! I came to belief in God through SCIENCE and LOGIC, pal. No guilt, here, dude.
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican They were misled; they put their faith into something and it was used in a horrible way. That is why faith is such a dangerous thing. Did you come to believe in Rev. Moon through science as well? Do you know that he doesn't believe in evolution, among many other scientific findings? A clear contradiction there. There is no "science" to back up a belief in God. At least not yet; maybe in the future there will be. I could call you S-T-U-P-I-D for putting your faith in Rev Moon.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@Barrettatsumaki Faith is NOT a dangerous thing. Having faith in things that hurt other people is dangerous. Rev Moon has a degree in Electrical Engineering from Waseda Univ. in Japan. He explained the existence of God in the CLEAREST manner I ever heard in my entire life. So yes, I DID come to believe in Rev Moon very much thru science. He DOES believe in evolution. He just doesn't believe in it the way ATHEISTS believe in it. He believes GOD was directly involved in the evolutionary process
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican We are on the same page. I think that the Heaven's Gate religion was a real problem. I don't think the Unification Church is. Heaven's Gate member's faith made them commit suicide. UC faith makes the members do good for others. That is exactly why I am defending the UC on this youtube page.
It's not the fact that Rev Moon doesn't believe it in the way atheists, do; it's that he doesn't believe in it the way biologists do.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
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Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican I'm sorry but that just isn't science.....there's nothing wrong with it at all, but you can't say you came to believe in God through science. I'm a deist because I think it's the best hypothesis at the moment to explain the existence of the universe. However, there isn't any science to back up my belief at this point.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican So are you telling me that your beliefs and perceptions are not influenced at all by anyone else, or your surroundings? The media? People you respect? Religious figures you follow? Your culture? etc, etc. You are able to formulate your beliefs completely on your own, without any outside influences, in a completely unbiased way? Yeah right.......
The simple fact is that we are not completely in control of our own beliefs and perceptions.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@Barrettatsumaki Now, let's deal with THIS grade-school crap... of course, belief is INFLUENCED by "input" from MANY different sources. I'm no exception. But I FILTER MY INPUT, MAN!! I take what I think is true and correct, and throw the rest away. Ya know, the ol' "wheat and chaff" thing? But a Biblical reference is lost on you, huh? I have ALWAYS wrestled the truth to the ground, until it cries: "UNCLE!" I'm no easy touch, bubba. To get ME to follow Him, Rev. Moon HAD to be special.
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican Stop making silly little condescending and rude remarks everywhere mate, it just makes you look immature. Do you realize that I was supporting unification church followers with my comments before?
You can't filter all inputs. Besides, I never said anything that conflicted with what you are saying now. My point was simply that "brainwashing" is a silly term. If you want to say moonies are brainwashed, you have to say that all religious people are. You have to say that....
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@Barrettatsumaki My comments are incisive and brilliant observations, based on YEARS of dealing with folks such as yourself. Maybe YOU can't filter your inputs, but I CAN and DO all the time. I will tell you that I do appreciate your objectivity in at least recognizing that the Unification Church does not intentionally hurt others, and we really do a LOT of good in this world. As I said before, to tame ME, Rev Moon HAD to be special. By my NATURE, I'm not a follower. Like tryin' to break a horse
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
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Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican To be honest I don't really know what you're trying to argue with me about? I wasn't attacking believers; I was just making a simple point about why it's a silly accusation to say that UC members are brainwashed. I was saying to some random that if he wants to make that accusation, he has to recognize that he himself may be "brainwashed" by something else.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican ....anyone affected by advertising or the media is brainwashed. You have to say that anyone who has a bias in their opinions due to the culture they grew up in is brainwashed. Basically everyone is influenced by something or other. No one is able to have beliefs completely free of all bias. So what is wrong with believing in the DP?? People with faith in the DP don't commit mass suicides, or intentionally hurt others; they tend to do a lot of good.
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican Out of curiosity, do you think that you are a completely rational person? Have you developed your "filtering" mechanism completely without outside influence or emotion? How do you know that the way you have been brought up or what others have taught you, among other things, haven't effected the way you "filter" your input?
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@Barrettatsumaki Good GOD, man? How do you LIVE that way? I'm 57 freaking years OLD, man! I'm not 14 years old! I am a mature, married, ex-military, responsible, rational man that has sorted thru his issues, and I believe what I believe. Why is that so damn hard to understand? What YOU cannot deal with is people who actually BELIEVE in something, because YOU believe in NOTHING! It scares the hell out of people like yourself. You know very well that most believers are pretty sharp folks
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
@ConanTheRepublican Calm down man. Stop going on the attack. I never said I didn't believe in anything. I'm just aware that many of those beliefs may be biased. Also, I've never said that believers are not sharp. You need to chill out.
You called other believers of another religion stupid; I'm pointing out an inconsistency there. I don't actually think you're stupid, or else I'd be saying my parents are stupid as well :)
Barrettatsumaki 10 months ago
@asemanasa
Why did you not disconnect from the UC much earlier if you found everything so horrible? That would be the normal thing to do. Why did you stay until 22?
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@asemanasa Means yer WEAK, and a simp, that's all. Cowboy up, man. Be aggressive--wrestle the truth to the GROUND, until you KNOW it's true! Don't let ANYONE push you around. I studied the Principle for TWO SOLID MONTHS, at my own insistence! I brought a Bible with me, and I asked question after question. I never let anyone get away with ANYTHING, until my questions were answered to my satisfaction. Only THEN did I even contemplate making my commitment to this church. It's serious stuff.
ConanTheRepublican 10 months ago
That video is a bad joke. God have mercy.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz ive read all of your comments, what is your problem man? she use to be a Moonie, and now she is out of that cult, now she is telling her account to others, can you explain to me why you have a problem with that?
asemanasa 1 year ago
People dont become "Moonies" because of lack of thinking. Rather its the opposite. They think more deeply then others, and have on top of that their spiritual eyes open, as opposed to many others.
To follow a controversial person as Rev Moon is not possible without thinking deeply. It takes much thought and prayer to find the light in the darkness, means to find the Messiah in a world that ridicules him. Only people who go against the stream can find the Messiah, at least at this stage.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
there is no neuroscientific disease explanation - whenever you rely on the opinion of others and do exclude your own thoughts, experiences and feelings i.e. common sense (can be in any cultural context) you are in danger of doing what you later might view inside as inhuman act - e.g. revolutionaries killing others for noble ideals (French revolution), Nazis (killing to save own people from communism and poverty caused by Jews - Nazis thought so), terrorists killing nonbelievers - Think yourself!
khi590 1 year ago
And this "deprogramming" is big business in Japan, even at this hour. Members get kidnapped, imprisoned in some hidden place, mistreated and raped. Some commit suicide out of desparation. And the relatives pay big money for those criminals, out of ignorance. And the police says its family matter, and turns a blind eye. Only after 43 years these things become more and more exposed. Praise the Lord. God have mercy with those criminals, once they are in court.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz oh man shut up! sounds like you dont know anything about cults and deprogramming. At least write something intelligent wont you?
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa
Since 43 years members of UC get kidnapped, confined and even raped, to break their faith. The bottom line is that its big business. Around 4300 members have been illegally deprived of their human rights. May God have mercy.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
Oh and this bitch should be in prison, "deprogrammers" were simply criminals, who kidnapped people and attempted to use propaganda to brainwash them in the other direction. It's obvious from this video, the way she uses irrelevant but scary pictures.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki your comments dont make any sense and how can anyone take you seriously if you call her a bitch. You should think more carefully before speak/ comment. I dont think there is anything wrong with her presentation.
asemanasa 1 year ago
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Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
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@asemanasa Are you slow or something? Your replies hold no substance. You are simply attacking others' comments on the basis that you didn't understand them.
And I am calling her a bitch because that is exactly what she is; she's worse then that, she's a criminal. She admitted it herself in this video by talking about her deprogramming days.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@asemanasa What I find wrong with her talk is that she is singling out Moonies and other so-called cults. She attempts to suggest that people join based on some type of neuroscientific disease. It runs along similar lines as the whole "brainwashing" idea. I think it's for the most part a load of crap.
However, say it is true, this neuroscientific disease would hold for people believing almost anything, or falling for any type of advertising. Singling out cults makes absolutely no sense.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki but that was the whole point of her talk, to talk about cults more specifically the Moonies, she is giving her account on what it was like to be a part of what scholars agree to be, along with the cult of Scientology, the two worst forms of mind control. From what i recall she was COMPARING mind control to a disease that takes over the brain. I just found your comments, along with many others, to be incredibly hostile and scurrilous?! why is this?
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa Two reasons. Firstly, because she was a deprogrammer, something which sickens me greatly and rightfully should. I know many people who were kidnapped for weeks & months against their will, forced to watch and hear propaganda against everything they believe. The second reason is her approach in this presentation. She offers no evidence for her claims and she unjustifiably compares the moonies to the Nazis and to the Jonestown incident. Informed people know how ridiculous this is.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki
Well, as someone who, as a "deprogrammer" (means kidnapper) stripped illegally people of their human rights and did " faithbreaking", she has to justify her wrong doings, as it seems. Wonder if God will accept that. She better repents.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz aside from all that, " Rev " Moon claims he was visited by an angel and asked to do Gods work on earth, GUESS WHAT?! thats the same story that Joseph Smith(the founder of the Mormon cult) used to persuade people to join his cult! and these two charlatans are not the only ones who claim to have been visited by angels! JUST GOOGLE CULT LEADERS and you might be shocked. re this woman and her talk, shes aloud to say whatever she wants about the Moonie cult(free speech) i will....
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa Sounds similar to Jesus' story too....oh and Muhammad's as well, among many others.These mainstream religions used these stories to persuade people to join their religions. Are they cults too? Are Jesus and Muhammad cult leaders?
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki
Ha ha, Jesus' group, funny enough, was called "sect of the Nazareens". This people who tend to persecute Rev Moon dont want to hear.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@asemanasa
Not by an angel. But Rev Moon had an encounter with Jesus, when he was 16.
As far as I know, Jesus is not an angel. You bettr get your facts right.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz angel/Jesus WHATEVER! does it really matter? fits all the criteria of a cult.
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa
Well, then for you surely every religion is a cult. Since an angel appeared to Mohammed, Jesus appeard to St Paul, etc, etc.
Well, I tell you what: Without the world religions (that yuou discredit as cults) the world would be a worse place. Human rights for example have their roots in Christianity.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@brunoklotz "...Mormonism is psychological cannibalism..." the same can be said about all totalitarian groups like Mormons, Moonies, Nazi Germany, Scientology.
asemanasa 1 year ago
@asemanasa By the way, everything about this video is "scurrilous". It's one of the reasons I am coming back at it so aggressively.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
I'm an atheist now, but I grew up in this church and I have to say from both personal experience and understanding theologies of many religions, including theirs, the moonies are much...much better for the world then most mainstream religions (e.g. Catholics, Christians, Muslims).
Most of the moonies' current actions have to do with uniting different religions, ethnicities and people, and giving aid to third world countries. So hey, better to be brainwashed by them then a disgusting religion.
Barrettatsumaki 1 year ago
@Barrettatsumaki so why did you leave then and why are you jumping to his defence?
asemanasa 1 year ago
Fuck Sun Myung Moon! He's a traitor and should follow the REAL Korean religion!
TheStrawberryLolicon 1 year ago
bunch of clips of irrelevant random pictures
MisTaHTaKi 1 year ago
@MisTaHTaKi
Exactly!
brunoklotz 1 year ago
@MisTaHTaKi let me guess, your a Moonie?
asemanasa 1 year ago
Folks, God is more and more excercising his power based on the spiritual foundation of Rev Moon and his movement. The evil world is coming to an end, while the Kingdom of God is in the process of emerging gradually.
Many just are not able to see it, because they are blind although they have eyes.
brunoklotz 1 year ago
Who could believe Moon was a Messiah anyway. He didn't even have a proper Mothership. Real Messiahs these days land in a Mothership. Everyone knows that.The Heaven Gate folks had one. The Raelians have a few. I'm pretty sure the scientologists have one too, but they always deny it. Rather selfish of them not to share their Mothership I would say.Get in the 21st Century folks, if your cult leader hasn't got a Mothership you should be very suspicious.
stayjit1 1 year ago