@Jeansschwimmer No land has been appropriated by Israelis. All construction to accomodate population growth is on land already part to the communities in Samaria & Judea. This arguement is a red herring. Not one Arab has been dispossesed. This isn't about ownership. Its about sovereignty. As there's NEVER been local Arab sovereignty in the region, I'd like u to explain why their claim is any more valid than the Jewish claim.
Before 1967 Israel was kept out of the region by the Jordanians and after June 1967 it was the first thing the Israelis did to make it impossible for the Arabs to claim possession of theirr own land ( a policy that is based on the absurdities of the ottoman land law).
Israel uproots trees, burns olives groves, bulldozes wells, steals the water, and, and, and.
@Jeansschwimmer - Every Arab who owned land prior to 06/67 owns it still. This isn't about ownership, its about sovereignty. The local Arabs NEVER HAD SOVEREIGNTY. For 1300 yrs it was ruled by the Turks. For 19 yrs it was ruled by the Jordanians (who have since, relinquished any claim of sovereignty). Jews also lived there until forced out at gun point by the Jordanians in '48. So, I ask again, how is their claim of sovereignty any more valid than the Jewish claim? Please expain.
@Bobtheother Absentee ownership law in Israel. First the refugees could not come back, therefore they could not claim their property and then it got confiscated. Israel legal thinking.
40 % and more of the Westbank are now in Jewish/Israeli hands, do not say that all of this land was without anybody who used it ( most of it is fertile land).
Israel has only admitted to have taken possessionof the barren hilltops for the houses, but the real area stolen is bigger.
@Jeansschwimmer - In the American Revolution, about as many Americans fought for the British as against them. Why is it we hear no more of these people after 1783? The answer is; they fled to the UK & Canada. Why would anyone want a hostile population in their midst? The Arabs had a choice. Live in peace w/the Jews in the new state, rise up against it, which many did, or leave. the ones who left voted w/their feet. They didn't want to live in a Jewish state, they got their wish. They don't.
@Jeansschwimmer - 40% of the WB is under Isareli ADMINISTRATION. Only about 3% is taken up by Israeli communities. Not 1 sq. cm. of that 3% was owned by Arabs. Much of it had been Jewish owned b4 '48. The rest was govt land, owned by the Ottomans til 1917, then the Britsh Mandate admin., then the Jordanian govt., then the Israeli. Arabs who owned land that Israelis tried to muscle in on, went to court, won their cases, & got their land back. Name the Arabs who owned those barren hilltops.
@Jeansschwimmer Samaria & Judea were never very fertile. They're the mountain spine of the region. Deforested by generations of Arabs, any land not already under cultivation became barren. Land that had formerly been kibbuztim was restored to a semblence of fertility by decades of back breaking work by 1000s of Jews. Nothing was stolen from the Arabs. Not one of u folks harping about "stolen land" can ever name any Arabs whose land was stolen. Y is that? Surely such info is in the public record.
@Jeansschwimmer The destructive actions you mention were punishment for for acts of terrorism. The local Arabs, as well as Jordan, get more waer from Israel than Israel is required to give under international agreements. So, no water is stolen. "And, and, and, " what? What else do those terrible Israelis do to those poor innocent Arabs who want nothing more than to peacefully slit Jewish throats?
@Bobtheother ''You know that the Arabs do not get the water you need.
I just remember the images on TV. to the left of the fence a dark green orange grove, to the right of it wrinkled up veggies. Which one was the Arab's field?
That was on German TV and do not say that our TV is careless about anything that could speak against Israel. The risk is too high.
If I was treated by my neighbour like that, I might want to slit his throat as well.
@Jeansschwimmer Was that German film crew able to document the cause of it? Or, do u all merely ASSUME that the cause is nefarious Israeli action? The local farmers have no control over water allocations. The Water Authority does. The UN verifies that Israel provides more water to the Arabs than the agreements call for. Perhaps the cause of the withered field has nothing to do w/water availability or the Israelis. Such a possibility would never occur to u, would it? I pity YOUR neighbors.
The Real News isn't impartial. I stopped watching as soon as she mentioned the Oslo accords, and then spoke of 'Israeli settlement violence' while failing to mention the spate of Palestinian terrorism and blood-letting that ensued. More leftist partiality.
@Grawpify Wow. I cannot fathom how average, well-meaning people like yourself can stand and defend Islamic terrorism (a particularly barbaric terrorism). The settlements are a terrible idea and should stop - but Palestinian terrorism is the true outrage here, and has been for decades.
@JonasBridgous So because of Terrorist attacks on Jews, Jews are entitled to use Terrorist tactics?
Nice circular logic.
The fact is, one can argue the toss about Palestine or Israel being the cause of a problem, or one can try to induce into disputed regions like the Gaza Strip a Democratic Government which will allow land ownership to be attributed through sociocultural concerns, rather than theocratic ones, which is what people like you see it as, as being just a conflict of Zionism vs Gaza
@Grawpify Tell me of the 'terrorist tactics' Israel employs.
A democratic government will not survive in that region, especially when those in power are only interested in spending all their money on missiles and arms to kill as many Jews as possible.
@JonasBridgous The terrorist tactis that Israel employs is the restrictions of movement on Arabs (Palestinians) a good exemple for you is in the city of Hebron, where the Arabs have no free movements, whereas the few hundred jews can move as they wish. And the settlers taunt and harass their arab neighbours with the protection of IDF. That is one way Israel terrorise the arabs.
@andreoslo1985 - The only restriction on the movement of Arabs in Hevron is that they r kept out of the Jewish enclave. The IDF is only keeping 2 hostile groups of people seperate, to avoid violence. Seems quite reasonable to me. Sure, the check points r a serious nuisance to the Arabs. But, those check points, & the wall, have reduced Jewish fatalities by Arab terrorism by over 90%. That proves the necessity. When the Arabs renounce terrorism, the check points & wall will b dismantled. Not b4.
@Grawpify So, its your belief that murderous terrorist attacks on Israel should be ignored? It's OK that the US invaded Afghanistan in response to 9/11, but when the Israelis go after the terrorists who murder their people its wrong? Do you really believe that?
I support several jewish organizations so i don't consider myself an anti semite it's rightwing zionists that bestowed upon me the wretched cloth of anti semitism.
Every Christian should drop those rightwing groups like turds. And support Jewish groups that try to find a way out of the westbank. The westbank is not yours! We have international law now and we should send NATO or UN forces to clear the westbank of all settlements.
Flier on 0:28 is a complete bullshit: there was no "Palestine" but "The British Mandate Of Palestine" that was BOTH on Israel AND Jordan, and by the San Remo international conference of 1920, was initially not only supposed to be a Jewish state - ALL OF IT - but also GIVEN TO THE BRITISH IN THAT CONDITION that they will facilitate the creation of a JEWISH state. Before that, the entire territory belonged to the SYRIA province of the ottoman empire, also including Syria and Lebanon.
@TheEEStudent All of the documents that you reference call for a homeland for the Jews IN Palestine. Operative word being IN and not ALL. These documents also clearly recognized a native non-Jewish population, whose civil and religious rights were not to be prejudiced. Since the Zionist ran the British out by means of terror, the Mandate was abandoned and turned over to the UN. Israel was only the biblical name of the land and not the historical name.
@steute2011 Israel was the historical name of the land. All of it. The league of nations used diplomatic language, but YES, their idea was to restore the biblical Israel. They expected ALL Jews to migrate back and since there were only 600,000 inhabitants in the region in 1920 (some of them Jewish) and there where about 18,000,000 Jews globally then - it did not seem much of a problem. On the contrary: the idea seemed perfectly logical. It was only POLITICALLY incorrect, NOT historically.
@steute2011 The only problem was that the Jews didn't go along with it. Had the Jews started immediately packing up in July 1920, then a. there was no holocaust. b. there was no Jordan. c. there was no conflict, since the region would have been overwhelmed by the inflow of over 30 times the number of original inhabitants. So you could say we were stupid not to seize the moment.
After of even before all this are accomplished they will destroy the US and they will then replace the US as a world leading superpower and rule the world from Jurusalem. Then all hell will break loose and great wars will eventually bring down this evil state of Israel. Then only a fair, just and sincere entity will govern the world. Are we too blind to see this coming?
Tthe stolen settlements are planned and is part of their evil policy..they are built on hills to control the surrounding areas...it is well understood that they don't want peace..they just want more and more land..and they are doing this by controlling US, UN and most western countries..once they get more land (i.e palestine, iraq etc.), more and more jews or self-claimed jews will migrate to the illegal state of Israel a.k.a 'The Promised Land for the Chosen People'. ...(con't)
Isreal is the biggest terrorists in the world ,a terrorist that can't be stopped by the UN or any human efforts,Israelis beleive they are the chosen people and there talmud is plain of shit ,I'm wondering why they don't show that shit on tv.....fucking talmud ,I'm a gentile and proud to be.
إسرائيل ليس اختراع معدات الدفاع والمعدات لا هجومية السبب هدفنا هو العيش في سلام والدفاع عنها من هؤلاء الارهابيين.
اذا كانت حماس ستواصل هجماته -- سيكون لدينا آخر حرب، وسوف يتم هدم العديد من المنازل أكثر من استخدمت من قبل حماس. وهذا يعني PALESTINIENS للعودة إلى المربع رقم 1 ، وذلك مفيدا؟؟
هل ستقوم إسرائيل البقاء إلى الأبد هنا كما PALESTINENS البئر -- يتيح الحديث!
ISRAEL UNLIKE ANY ARAB COUNTRY - IS BASED ON DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS....
AS THERE ARE PEOPLE IN ISRAEL THAT THINKS THAT THEY NEED TO GET SETTELE WHERE THEY DOING IT, THE ISRAELY GOVERMENT NEED TO DEAL WITH THEM BY THE BOOK, POLICE AND COURTS AND SO ON...
SO WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS TO DEAL.
BUT AS I TOLD, WE WILL NEVER PRAISE DEATH OVER LIFE.
PALESTINENS - SHAME TO HUMANITY [TERRORISTS & Muslim extremists]
@mauritius69 who cares about your fake democracy and human rights ,you r based on lies ,your history is full of shit ,a country based on occupation ,kill ,demolish Palestinians houses and build new settlements ....you call the victims terrorists ,shame on you ,you are the terrorist ,I'm a gentile and proud to be.
@mauritius69 the Israeli policy is clear "more land more lies we are the chosen people O_o".....just in the last year your army not militants or an inorgnized group ,it is your army who killed many civilians and childrens....never forget the gaza war crimes.....why you doing that ....are you human!!!!!
you r more than welcome to come to israel and judge for yourself..
i know.... as always... and you can say what ever you want but you cant understand it or know it, you have to be a part of it, israely soldiers is learning more than anything that we have to treat the civilians as uninvolved of the situation.... it is a fact, the idf is risking me and my friends so we wont hurt civilians and operations canceld beacause of it and this is why hamas is shielding itself with innocent pep
as im saying it, israeli ministers are talking about that isuue. the palestine society is not educated to peace, and its very difficult to have a conversation with the "street" when their "goverment" (terror org, - hamas) is acting the way they act.
the israely kids is being educated to peace!!!
and it doesnt matters what is in bitween, we aint teaching our kids how importent is to get expolded and kill others in the name of GOD!
@mauritius69 don't matter cause you Israelis are the occupiers and the killers who blow houses and kill Palestinians to get more land ,they have the right to defend there selfs and attack to get the violated lands and rights......60 years of the same senario satan respect you.
THEY CAN KEEP DOING IT, BUT IT WONT BE HELPFUL FOR ANYONE.
ISRAEL IS INVENTING DEFENDING EQUIPMENT AND NOT OFFENSIVE EQUIPMENT CAUSE OUR IS LIVING IN PEACE AND DEFENDING FROM TERRORISTS.
IF HAMAS WILL KEEP HIS ATTACKS - WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER WAR, MANY MORE HOUSES THAT BEEN USED BY HAMAS WILL BE DEMOLISHED. AND FOR PALESTINENS THAT MEANS BACK TO SQUARE 1, IS THAT USEFUL????
ISRAEL WILL FOREVER STAY HERE AS WELL THE PALESTINENS - LETS TALK!
@mauritius69 that hamas thing is very old to use it ,find something else ,the settelements are clearly the main problem ,you keep demolishing Palestinians houses and build new settelements ,Israel don't want peace ,Israel want more more land ,that's the Israel policy for 60 years.....stop building settelements and stop bombing civilians and demolishing houses and growing on that......UN partition is clear.
ISRAEL WONT STOP ITS LEAVING BECAUSE THE PALESTINANS HAVE CHOSEN THE WRONG PARLAMENT TO REPRESENT THEM. WE AINT LIVING BY YOUR CALL... WE AINT WAINTING BY THE PHONE
THERE BEEN MANY TIMES THAT ISRAEL HAS OFFERD PEACE AGREEMENTS IN GOOD SITUATION
ULMERT AND RABIN AND BARAK... WHICH IF YOU NOITCE ARE "LEFT" MEMBERS, NOW WITH BIBI ITS MORE DIFFICULT. FOR SURE WITH HAMAS
HAMAS IS NOT A PEACE PARTNER.
ISRAEL GAVE ARRAFAT - M-16- SO HE WILL HAVE HIS OWN POLICE FORCES
To understand Israel’s legal foundation, borders and rights to the entire land of Palestine, one must journey back to the critical period from 1915 to 1925 when the modern Middle East was shaped. There is only one departure point and whoever thinks it began in 1948 or 1967 is woefully ignorant of the situation or badly misinformed
The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
Israel's borders under international law were determined more than twenty years prior to the establishment of the United Nations. The UN adopted the Mandate for Palestine in 1945. These borders remain the legal borders, and they include all of Judea and Samaria (the land the Jordanians called the West Bank in 1948) as well as all of Jerusalem
the whole world, and international community says that israel has been build on palestian land, and some stupid fucker comes out of no where today claimes israel existe there since the begning of time, yes the jews lived there no probleme but not fucking polish and german immigrent.these zionist so called jew they should go back where they came from.
@javed119 Look it up buddy there never has been a Palestinian state priotr to 57' when Israel was created. Jews made up 12% of the population of the british mandate and 80% of Jerusalem and yet they were given only 10% of the entire mandate. And in Israel arabs and "Palestinians" were allowed to stay as full citizens. In the rest of the mandate, all of the Jews living in Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, and most from Iraq were forced to leave their homes.
@durhamdf The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
The Palestinians say they don't want to negotiate because the Israelis are still building illegal settlements on their land. The Israelis say this isn't a major problem.....what's wrong with this picture? You can't escape from oppression in another land to oppress others, that is just wrong surely?
@gghostd The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
Israel as a country, and as an idea, is just stupid. Look at this mess these Zionist idiots created. As if the Middle East wasn't fucked up enough already.
Countries shouldn't be formed based on one race or one religion. That divisive shit should be left out of nation building.
Why can't Arabs and Jews live in the same neighborhoods... because they're divided over their childish religions.
@ZIONADIEL at least you are openly racist, which is never shown by jews in Europe, because most jews know racism has had disastrous effects in WW2...but finally, you admit, racism is a good thing, enjoy it, you kids will enjoy it, your grand children will enjoy it.....until one day, some idiot in the security will screw his mission, and Israel is going to find itself as the target of millions of hatefull people who might enjoy thoroughly how much racism is an enjoyable thing to practice. Sad.
"We are still here , we are still hereeeee. YISRAEL RULEZ !!!!!!! FUCK ARABS !!"
People like you should be exterminated. You disrupt the world for the rest of us people who are above childish religions and childish ethnic pride. Arabs and pro-Israel Jews make me sick when they fight. They fight for no valid reason, and the rest of us have to suffer because they can't grow the fuck up.
In 1990 there were 70,000 settlers...now 7 times more. What is this with not accepting continued settlements. This is whimp talk. He should have said that the US does not regard the settlements as legitimate. His statement indirectly implies that the US accepts the settlement that exist at any given time. The action of building them might be illegitimate, but settlements become legitimate once they are built, in the eyes of the US.
@JohnnyRock2000 To be completely fair, Jews made up 90% of Israel right after its foundation, 80% in the 1990s, and now they're only 75% of the total pop. Arabs are winning the demographic war. If people like you had brains (I really mean no offense), then most of the complaints here wouldn't exist. Arabs will win the demographic war in the end anyway. So, who the fuck cares anyway?
@redarrowhead2 "To be completely fair, Jews made up 90% of Israel right after its foundation,"
First, this only happened because of massive Jewish immigration. You can read the 1922 and 1931 British census counts to confirm this.
Second, in what is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza - in 1948, Jews made up approximately 50% of the population and the other 50% was NEVER ASKED about partition, Western Nations determined it.
@JohnnyRock2000 The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
30 years ago there were 70,000 illegal "settler" colonists. Now there are 1/2 million. So much for natural growth. Just as natural as a fungus grows on a tree.
Today there are 5 Million Jews illegally occupying Palestine, whom have killed or displaced 7 Million Native Palestinians since 1945. Thus is the character of the peace loving Jew !
@Drwilliamsm45 - Yes, and the techniques they use are so many especially the rationalizations, as they keep changing. I heard Netanyahu at AIPAC 2010, claim ancestry to a Netanyahu Ben-Yosh, supposedly of Israel 3,000 years ago. Yet Netanyahu's father came from Russia in the 20's an his name was Milekowski. It's all such a deceit, but coming from 1000's of sources. Each deceit can be spotted for the lie it is, but they keep coming. Remembering that it is all a lie is important.
@Morgethein - My statement of "It's this simple. Boot the Arabs out and steal their land. All the rest are details", makes it clear what Israel has done since the beginning. They've done it with America's help of course and awesome manipulation of the media and anything necessary to achieve the stealing of land and displacement of Arabs. It cannot go on endlessly. One day Israel will answer for it and the world will understand without much mercy for Israel.
honestly, I used to like Israel because I thought that all people deserved their own lands, but after watching videos like this everywhere I feel that Israel should be dissolved, and a Palestinian country(One with free religion to minimize conflict)should take its place.
There are 500,000 Israeli settlers in the westbank...so lots of luck in evicting them...remember how hard it was to evict just 8000 settlers from Gaza...so the Israeli settlers are there for good.
Probably the only thing the Palestinians can do is emigrate to other countries.
The only thing that's keeping Israel going is U.S. material and financial support. Without U.S. direct and indirect support that blight on the people of Palestine called Israel and it's government will wither and die, just like a cancerous tumor that has had its blood supply cut off. What I would like to see is all the dispossessed and displaced Palestinians come back to Israel reclaim their lost land and simply and democratically rename it Palestine as they globally outnumber Jews in Israel 2:1
@logosphi I didn't see the United States aiding Israel until after 1967 as many Arab countries alligned with the Soviet Union. You do realize the only reason the United States originally alligned with Israel is due to the fact that Egypt alligned with the Soviet Union, the cold war enemy.
@Fitplayer66 So your point is that they started aiding Israel after 1967 because the other side aligned themselves with the Soviet Union; And? What relevant point are you trying to make in relation to my comment? At the moment all you're doing is adding details as to when the U.S. started aiding Israel and going off on a tangent as to why...
@logosphi The signifiance of my statement is that Israel could indeed survive without the United States. Your previous statement relied on the premise that the only way for Israel to continue existing is due to the American aid.
@Fitplayer66 The belief that Israel can survive without U.S. aid and political support is at best unsubstantiated opinion. Which to be fair, my own belief that they cannot survive is also an opinion. However, at this very moment they are in FACT receiving U.S. aid and albeit with some criticism; they still have our support. The U.S. is doing itself a disservice by actively supporting the occupation of Palestinian lands; we should regain the moral high ground by cutting them off.
Israel invaded Egypt in October 1956, with French and English help not mentioning that Jews have begun an all out military offensive against the unarmed civilians of Palestine starting in 1945, headed by the International Terrorist Gangs of Stern and Irgun organized by the World Zionist Congress with full support of the US, financed mainly by American and International Jews such as Rothschild - weapons left over from the War was given to them by the US.
@logosphi false. This myth that you muslims/arabs/jewhaters try to spread is really really complete nonsense. Annual US aid to israel accounts for 2% of their GDP and it is under a plan that allows israel to only put that money into the military. Meanwhile, 7% of Israel's GDP goes into the military. If US cuts funding, Israel will have to make due with 2% less, big shit. US and Israel are allies. Just as Iran and Syria funds terrorist groups like Hezbollah. Stop whining and fight like a man.
@logosphi Israel no longer gets financial aid from the US..only military aid.
The Israelis are waiting until they have a majority of the population in the westbank with additional Russian and other Jews...then they will officially annex the westbank.
But I don't feel sorry for the Arabs or Palestinians...they brought it upon themselves.
@logosphi good thinking.. lets have palestine be restored back to a third world country!! maybe when these "evil jews" leave the palestinians will come back and turn it into it's neighboring 1st world nations such as Syria, Jordan or Egypt?? note my sarcasm ... -.- why would the US fund so much money to Israel? what do they have to gain? Your points have no reference, and the israelis won the 1948 war when the arabs rejected a peace offer from the UN. ISRAELI WIN, PALESTINE FAIL
Volunteer for what? If it's for more settlements and you're an American, then your tax dollars are paying for them. And in exchange for our money to build Israeli settlements, America's troops and America's national security are placed in even more jeopardy.
Hey, but that's okay -- Israel always comes before America, according to Israeli firsters and misled Christians who don't know their Bible.
@cornsnake91 Let's remember that Israel has been illegally occupying Palestinian land and water sources and committing human rights atrocities and using weapons the UN has banned on Palestinians for decades. Let's also remember that Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement to an illegal occupation. What Israel is doing amounts to armed robbery and one day the world will realise it and disestablish the Israeli State. I hope that day comes soon.
Israel is totally wrong here. I don't back Palistine on many issues, but Israel is causing their own problems. Peace cannot be at the forefront when you build settlements on land that was once Palistinian territory.
99% of modern day jews are descendants of Khazars. Khazars were a pagan tribe who (during the middle ages) used to live in the land we call Russia today. Their king (Bulan) converted to judaism in 740AD and his people followed him. These self-proclaimed jews have no blood link to Abraham and Moses of the Bible.
Israel once again shows that it is not interested in Peace. It is time for the EU and America to distance themselves from Israel and let them fend for themselves.
From Dayan's prescription for the permanence of the status quo to Netanyahu's prescription for a two-state solution, Israel has lived "without a solution," not because of uncertainty or neglect but as a matter of deliberate policy, clandestinely driving settlement expansion to the point of irreversibility while pretending to search for "a Palestinian partner for peace."
Henry Siegman, former director of the American Jewish Congress
What about the 1,000,000 muslims living in Israel proper? If the settlers should go, then should also the muslims go to where they belong, to their brothers in the desert.
looks like Arabs are settling on occupied christian territory in northern Africa. You are lucky, that in the near future we 2 billion christians don't want to continue the Reconquista.
@ksamerk False, there was not Palestine territory before 1948. And also, why you guys whine about settlements? It's only jews living in the West Bank, nothing of a harm if you Palestinians don't do anything stupid.
@ksamerk who were these "palestinians prior to 47? Who were their leaders? What was there culture as destinct from other Jordanians? There were Jews living in the holy land for 3000 years...does that mean there has always been a continuous state of Israel?
@ksamerk I totally dissagree with the settlement building but Israel is certainly not built on "OCCUPIED PALESTINIANS TERRITORIES" . Palestine didn't exist until 47 when Israel was created...Read your history, it is sad to see how few people realize that "Palestinians" are really just Jordanians who are only made destinct by relations with Jews during the 1800s. Other than that there is no destinct Palestinian" culture, language, borders, or leadership untill 47
@durhamdf - Can you show me the Palestinian currency or National charter, constitution or name the first president/king/dictator or name the capital and where its government sat or show me an image of a postage stamp for the so-called palestinian state you are speaking of which was formed in 1947?
@andyinvietnam no arguments here, I have been saying that Modern day Israel and Palestine were created at the same time so there is no way that Israel is "built on top of Palestine" There never has been a Palestine prior to 47' and that isn't a controversial thing to say, it is a fact. Israel does occupy a fair amount of "Palestinian land" because of the buffer zones and settlement building. My point to make to a Palestinian supporter is what govt. has Israel had to turn the west bank over to?
we, the people from europe and usa, understand more and more what is going on in the middle east, despite all the professional work of disinformation from israel government and their lobby.
israel occupies palestinian land, illegally, condemned by UN resolutions. but israel doesn't matter about UN resolutions. Not israel. so what can those occupied do more than claim their rights at the UN?
@testhmtest The sad thing is that it stems from racism, but no one will admit it. They undoubtedly would feel differently if the situation were reversed and Arabs were occupying Israeli territory and killing Israelis. But because of a feeling among Americans that Arabs are terrorists/"uncivilized," they aren't willing to see their side of the situation.
I have heard over 100,000 settlers now dwell in the West Bank. What will become of them when it comes to negotiating for Middle East peace? How will a solution be found that is acceptable to Palestinian negotiators?
why Jews should be allowed to resettle areas in which they didn't live in the years preceding the 1967 war, areas that were almost empty of Jews before 1948 as well. But why didn't Jews live in the area at that time? Quite simple: They had been the victims of a three-decades-long ethnic cleansing project that started in 1920, when an Arab attack wiped out a small Jewish farm at Tel Hai in Upper Galilee and was followed by attacks in Jerusalem and, in 1921, in Jaffa and Jerusalem.
In 1929, Hebron's centuries-old Jewish population was expelled as a result of an Arab pogrom that killed almost 70 Jews. Jews that year removed themselves from Gaza, Nablus and Jenin
Many people insist that settlements are illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention. But that convention does not apply to Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria and the Gaza district. Its second clause makes it clear that it deals with the occupation of "the territory of a high contracting party." Judea and Samaria and Gaza, which Israel gained control of in 1967, were not territories of a "high contracting party." Jewish historical rights that the mandate had recognized were not canceled.
Obama has made his objections to Israeli settlements known. But other U.S. presidents have disagreed. President Reagan's administration issued a declaration that Israeli settlements were not illegal. Support for that position came from Judge Stephen M. Schwebel, former president of the International Court of Justice, who determined that Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria did not constitute "occupation."
To be perfectly honest, it isn't a true occupation as there isn't 2 states, there is one state and 2 territories. I don't care what presidents think, Bush thought torture should be legal, and its a good thing it isn't up to them eh?
Settlements are a concern no doubt, but that's not my biggest concern in of itself, its how those settlements arise. I can build a settlement in the west bank too, so can anyone who buys land from the locals, but its how its done thats an issue (and other concerns)
Screw the occupiers screw the oppressors, one day you know you shall fall and when you fall it will be worse than the holocost, your asking for it, you jew nazi's , jews are same as hitler, no difference, , and dumbass, the people living in palestines that are fighting the occupiers are not terrorists, they are freedom fighter, just to remind u , George washington 1st american president was also called the number one Terrorist , so was freedom fighters of india afganistan. and so on. read facts
@armoni85 Hey, it's not a Jew issue, it's an Israeli issue. I'm Jewish and think that Israel doing some terrible things and almost entirely in the wrong.
Israel will eventually take all of gaza and the west bank. Both sides talk about a peace solution in public but in private both sides only want the destruction of the other. The palestinians opportunity for a peaceful solution has long passed.
Ahmadinejad was right to get rid of all Zionist Israeli's. These guys one of the main evils in this world right now. The US is another and with all their power is doing nothing to stop Israel. In most cases they back up what Israel is doing (presently threatening Iran with sanctions for 'secret' nuclear facilities that Iran told the IAEA about).
The so called settlements are key to taking more Arab land. The good land in the West Bank is under Israeli control. Arabs are in dusty, useless low land. Israeli towns are linked with good roads, protected by the army and controls 85% of the water.
Time for total war. The conflict will end only when one side is completely defeated and this can only happen with total war. Let the war begin, winner take all.
settlements" apply to Palestinians as much as Israelis. Over ~400,000 Arabs have entered the West Bank and Gaza via Jordan since the start of Oslo. The Arabs have bult ~261 settlements in the West Bank since 1967. In comparison ~200,000 Jews have entered the West Bank and Gaza (including Jerusalem Suburbs) and built ~144.settlements.Israel CONTINUES to have a policy of essentially allowing unhindered immigration to the Palestinian Autonomy across the Jordanian, and Egyptian borders.
the jews are just plain greedy bastards. they are not content with the unrecognised state they killed UK soldiers for, they now want to steal other peoples land, stick their fingers up at international law, and yet expect other to follow it when it suits them. scumbags
Anyway. Growing the settlements will clearly only cause more violence, is against international law and is unjust. More and more people are saying that a two state solution is not possible and only a one democratic state solution is possible. This would be the best but given the animosity between factions in the two groups (Israelis and Palestinians) this is going to be difficult.
I believe in a God, not sure whether that's Christ or not, anyway that's another story.
The arabs' believe the whole earth is their's, given to them by allah. That is why they hate the Jews.
A 2 state solution would give hamas and hezbollah their own country to do what ever they wanted, even to create a military and arm themselves with nuclear weapons.
Hopefully you wouldn't want these terror groups to get their hands on such weapons.
If all Arab people believed the whole earth was their's do you think that they will not stop and Israel and attack greenland next! Ahhh the domino theory is back! It is unfortunate that Americans believe such hysteria and have such racist ideas. The level of belief in religion in a developed country like the US is phenomenal. I have seen stats that have a large majority in the US actually believing in the Devil as a real material being!!!
Israel doesn't give a damn whether hezbollah is shia or sunni, as a matter of fact neither do most American's including myself! What does matter is both of these groups are funded by rogue nations bent on terroristic activities directed at a peaceful democracy!! All land in Israel is Jewish land, and they have the right to build settlements wherever and whenever they want! Building settlements has nothing to do with obama and his allies, he needs to keep his nose out of it!!
@eighthof8 What makes all land in Israel "Jewish land"? Having religious history in an area doesn't mean you can just claim it and force the current population out, especially when the history is from almost 2000 years ago.
If the situation were reversed, and Arabs were forcing out Jews, I have no doubt that you'd reverse your opinion. Your opinion on this issue stems from racism, whether you're willing to admit to it or not.
The settlements don't cause violence; they're just another excuse for violence. Arabs attacked Jews long before settlements existed (e.g., Hebron 1929), and they continue to attack Jews even after settlements are dismantled (e.g., Gaza 2005-present)
The settlements dont cause violence?!!! A neat piece of twisted logic there. What about bulldozing Palastinian homes, does that cause violence? What about the so called security wall and the destruction of farmland and olive groves, does that cause violence? What about complete control of Palastinian air space and sea ports, does that cause violence? What about the recent genocidal action of the Israel army, I wont call it a war, to do that would be to give legitamcy to a war crime. Get real.
@yofic None of this excuses Israel's current actions. Israel is occupying Palestinian territory. Palestinian attacks against Israel are scattered attacks committed by extremists, while Israel attacks with an organized military. Far more Palestinians are killed than Israelis in these attacks. Palestinian citizens are not responsible for the actions of other Palestinians in the past, and to kill/injure them or block aid to them is a war crime.
Israel's actions don't need to be excused; I was simply stating facts.
Whether or not the territory is "occupied" in the legal sense is debatable, but even if it is, occupation is entirely legal according to int'l law (barring certain circumstances not present here).
Palestinian attacks are not scattered attacks. They are part of Palestinian policy. This was made very clear this week, when leaders of both the Hamas party and Fatah party called for renewed violence against Israel.
The number of dead don't determine right or wrong, especially when you're dealing with a faction like Hamas, which does its best to increase the number of Palestinian casualties.
It isn't a war crime to kill civilians; it's a war crime to target civilians. The IDF does not target civilians. The IDF also does not block aid to civilians. To the contrary, the IDF continues to allow aid into Gaza. Hamas, on the other hand, has repeatedly confiscated that aid and prevented it from reaching civilians.
Do I hear a little bias with the Real News as I do with Al Jerezza?
Israeli citizens I want you to know that "We", a large grass roots organization stands with you, though our president may not. We believe that all of Israel belongs to you and this gives you the absolute right to build wherever you want, and whenever you want. You have the right to purge from your midst terrorists that claim Israeli land in the both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
Yikes. I hope this racist grass roots organization isn't large. Luckily most understand that greater Israel (taking over the west bank and gaza) is not a humane option. It might have been considered humane back when the US was clearing native people off their land but since Hitler ethnic cleansing has been given a bad name.
Our organization includes the majority of Congressional members on the Hill that believe Israel has the right to defend herself, and cast from it's midst the cowardly terrorists from the West Bank and Gaza that kill innocent civilians. It's inhumane when hamas operating in the Gaza Strip launches rockets to kill innocent Israeli's!
Israeli's endured enough during the Holocaust. They now have the right to live in peace and the right for self determination from outside interference!
I am sure that Hamas feels the same way about Israel (that they are justified in wiping them out). Also, there were no Israelis during the holocaust and Europeans killing Jews doesn't give Israel the right to do the same to Palestinians.
It is always interesting how those with power call those throwing homemade bombs cowardly. Reminds me what an Algerian fighter said: Give us some jet planes and tanks and we'll freely stop with the homemade bombs. The settlements are not defensive and illegal.
Israeli's are the children of Abraham and Issac and the land they now claim is the promised land from God. They have been without a country of their own since being the slaves of the Egyptian's.
This little country has defended itself from much larger powers during several wars with the help from God; there's no other way to describe it.
I say too bad! The other middle eastern countries don't want the terrorists either, or they would give them some land to call their own!
Israel gets to claim all of Gaza and the West Bank because it was promised by a fairy tale character named god? C'mon. The Native people have a far better right to take over the US given that historically they were there first. Of course when it happens to affect one's own country historical justification goes out the window and might makes right I assume. Or manifest destiny from this "god" person.
@eighthof8 thier is no prommis land only land stole from egypt reclaimed and stollen again the book stateing the land is promised is a book written by the people who claim to be the chosen ones and they have no problem slaughtering thousands of people including babies to hold onto a piece of dirt. best thing for the world would be to turn this land into a parking lot so noone can live there. both sides are wrong but israel is the origional thief
I want to add that a 2 State solution is no solution. The arab's would never be satisfied with any border created by anyone, and border wars are bound to happen killing more in the process.
Like I said terror is the reason why Egypt, Syria, Jordan or other countries claiming to be their friends don't want any part of them. Eypgy claiming to be their freinds even shut the border with them so they couldn't cross.
Obama needs to stay out of this conflict too, he's an arab deep down!
Israel attacked during the 1967 war and was much much stronger than the countries it attacked. God had no part. There is no god or flying spaghetti monster. This is 2009...c'mon. God? Really? Also, why would Arabic speaking not be satisfied with a two state on the green line? You could just have a one state that is democratic with rights not based on ethnic background. Not all Palestinians or Israelis are terrorists. Only some. The terrorists would have less power were the settlements dismantled
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Jeansschwimmer 1 week ago
@Jeansschwimmer No land has been appropriated by Israelis. All construction to accomodate population growth is on land already part to the communities in Samaria & Judea. This arguement is a red herring. Not one Arab has been dispossesed. This isn't about ownership. Its about sovereignty. As there's NEVER been local Arab sovereignty in the region, I'd like u to explain why their claim is any more valid than the Jewish claim.
Bobtheother 2 days ago
@Bobtheother
You know that this is not the truth.
Before 1967 Israel was kept out of the region by the Jordanians and after June 1967 it was the first thing the Israelis did to make it impossible for the Arabs to claim possession of theirr own land ( a policy that is based on the absurdities of the ottoman land law).
Israel uproots trees, burns olives groves, bulldozes wells, steals the water, and, and, and.
Jeansschwimmer 2 days ago
@Jeansschwimmer - Every Arab who owned land prior to 06/67 owns it still. This isn't about ownership, its about sovereignty. The local Arabs NEVER HAD SOVEREIGNTY. For 1300 yrs it was ruled by the Turks. For 19 yrs it was ruled by the Jordanians (who have since, relinquished any claim of sovereignty). Jews also lived there until forced out at gun point by the Jordanians in '48. So, I ask again, how is their claim of sovereignty any more valid than the Jewish claim? Please expain.
Bobtheother 2 days ago
@Bobtheother Absentee ownership law in Israel. First the refugees could not come back, therefore they could not claim their property and then it got confiscated. Israel legal thinking.
40 % and more of the Westbank are now in Jewish/Israeli hands, do not say that all of this land was without anybody who used it ( most of it is fertile land).
Israel has only admitted to have taken possessionof the barren hilltops for the houses, but the real area stolen is bigger.
Jeansschwimmer 1 day ago
@Jeansschwimmer - In the American Revolution, about as many Americans fought for the British as against them. Why is it we hear no more of these people after 1783? The answer is; they fled to the UK & Canada. Why would anyone want a hostile population in their midst? The Arabs had a choice. Live in peace w/the Jews in the new state, rise up against it, which many did, or leave. the ones who left voted w/their feet. They didn't want to live in a Jewish state, they got their wish. They don't.
Bobtheother 1 day ago
@Jeansschwimmer - 40% of the WB is under Isareli ADMINISTRATION. Only about 3% is taken up by Israeli communities. Not 1 sq. cm. of that 3% was owned by Arabs. Much of it had been Jewish owned b4 '48. The rest was govt land, owned by the Ottomans til 1917, then the Britsh Mandate admin., then the Jordanian govt., then the Israeli. Arabs who owned land that Israelis tried to muscle in on, went to court, won their cases, & got their land back. Name the Arabs who owned those barren hilltops.
Bobtheother 1 day ago
@Jeansschwimmer Samaria & Judea were never very fertile. They're the mountain spine of the region. Deforested by generations of Arabs, any land not already under cultivation became barren. Land that had formerly been kibbuztim was restored to a semblence of fertility by decades of back breaking work by 1000s of Jews. Nothing was stolen from the Arabs. Not one of u folks harping about "stolen land" can ever name any Arabs whose land was stolen. Y is that? Surely such info is in the public record.
Bobtheother 1 day ago
@Jeansschwimmer The destructive actions you mention were punishment for for acts of terrorism. The local Arabs, as well as Jordan, get more waer from Israel than Israel is required to give under international agreements. So, no water is stolen. "And, and, and, " what? What else do those terrible Israelis do to those poor innocent Arabs who want nothing more than to peacefully slit Jewish throats?
Bobtheother 2 days ago
@Bobtheother ''You know that the Arabs do not get the water you need.
I just remember the images on TV. to the left of the fence a dark green orange grove, to the right of it wrinkled up veggies. Which one was the Arab's field?
That was on German TV and do not say that our TV is careless about anything that could speak against Israel. The risk is too high.
If I was treated by my neighbour like that, I might want to slit his throat as well.
It is not about self-defense, it is theft.
Jeansschwimmer 1 day ago
@Jeansschwimmer Was that German film crew able to document the cause of it? Or, do u all merely ASSUME that the cause is nefarious Israeli action? The local farmers have no control over water allocations. The Water Authority does. The UN verifies that Israel provides more water to the Arabs than the agreements call for. Perhaps the cause of the withered field has nothing to do w/water availability or the Israelis. Such a possibility would never occur to u, would it? I pity YOUR neighbors.
Bobtheother 1 day ago
The Real News isn't impartial. I stopped watching as soon as she mentioned the Oslo accords, and then spoke of 'Israeli settlement violence' while failing to mention the spate of Palestinian terrorism and blood-letting that ensued. More leftist partiality.
JonasBridgous 3 months ago
@JonasBridgous Of course Palestine dislikes Israel. They're thieving land.
People like you let them get away with it.
Sad that Jews use attacks against them to justify the spreading of attacks against Palestinians. Racism at it's finest.
Grawpify 3 months ago
@Grawpify Wow. I cannot fathom how average, well-meaning people like yourself can stand and defend Islamic terrorism (a particularly barbaric terrorism). The settlements are a terrible idea and should stop - but Palestinian terrorism is the true outrage here, and has been for decades.
JonasBridgous 3 months ago
@JonasBridgous So because of Terrorist attacks on Jews, Jews are entitled to use Terrorist tactics?
Nice circular logic.
The fact is, one can argue the toss about Palestine or Israel being the cause of a problem, or one can try to induce into disputed regions like the Gaza Strip a Democratic Government which will allow land ownership to be attributed through sociocultural concerns, rather than theocratic ones, which is what people like you see it as, as being just a conflict of Zionism vs Gaza
Grawpify 3 months ago
@Grawpify Tell me of the 'terrorist tactics' Israel employs.
A democratic government will not survive in that region, especially when those in power are only interested in spending all their money on missiles and arms to kill as many Jews as possible.
JonasBridgous 3 months ago 3
@JonasBridgous The terrorist tactis that Israel employs is the restrictions of movement on Arabs (Palestinians) a good exemple for you is in the city of Hebron, where the Arabs have no free movements, whereas the few hundred jews can move as they wish. And the settlers taunt and harass their arab neighbours with the protection of IDF. That is one way Israel terrorise the arabs.
andreoslo1985 5 days ago
@andreoslo1985 - The only restriction on the movement of Arabs in Hevron is that they r kept out of the Jewish enclave. The IDF is only keeping 2 hostile groups of people seperate, to avoid violence. Seems quite reasonable to me. Sure, the check points r a serious nuisance to the Arabs. But, those check points, & the wall, have reduced Jewish fatalities by Arab terrorism by over 90%. That proves the necessity. When the Arabs renounce terrorism, the check points & wall will b dismantled. Not b4.
Bobtheother 2 days ago
@Grawpify So, its your belief that murderous terrorist attacks on Israel should be ignored? It's OK that the US invaded Afghanistan in response to 9/11, but when the Israelis go after the terrorists who murder their people its wrong? Do you really believe that?
Bobtheother 2 days ago
Israeli rightwing zionism = evil period!
I support several jewish organizations so i don't consider myself an anti semite it's rightwing zionists that bestowed upon me the wretched cloth of anti semitism.
Every Christian should drop those rightwing groups like turds. And support Jewish groups that try to find a way out of the westbank. The westbank is not yours! We have international law now and we should send NATO or UN forces to clear the westbank of all settlements.
ChillMMM 7 months ago
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ChillMMM 7 months ago
Flier on 0:28 is a complete bullshit: there was no "Palestine" but "The British Mandate Of Palestine" that was BOTH on Israel AND Jordan, and by the San Remo international conference of 1920, was initially not only supposed to be a Jewish state - ALL OF IT - but also GIVEN TO THE BRITISH IN THAT CONDITION that they will facilitate the creation of a JEWISH state. Before that, the entire territory belonged to the SYRIA province of the ottoman empire, also including Syria and Lebanon.
TheEEStudent 7 months ago
@TheEEStudent All of the documents that you reference call for a homeland for the Jews IN Palestine. Operative word being IN and not ALL. These documents also clearly recognized a native non-Jewish population, whose civil and religious rights were not to be prejudiced. Since the Zionist ran the British out by means of terror, the Mandate was abandoned and turned over to the UN. Israel was only the biblical name of the land and not the historical name.
steute2011 6 months ago
@steute2011 Israel was the historical name of the land. All of it. The league of nations used diplomatic language, but YES, their idea was to restore the biblical Israel. They expected ALL Jews to migrate back and since there were only 600,000 inhabitants in the region in 1920 (some of them Jewish) and there where about 18,000,000 Jews globally then - it did not seem much of a problem. On the contrary: the idea seemed perfectly logical. It was only POLITICALLY incorrect, NOT historically.
TheEEStudent 6 months ago
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@steute2011 The only problem was that the Jews didn't go along with it. Had the Jews started immediately packing up in July 1920, then a. there was no holocaust. b. there was no Jordan. c. there was no conflict, since the region would have been overwhelmed by the inflow of over 30 times the number of original inhabitants. So you could say we were stupid not to seize the moment.
TheEEStudent 6 months ago
After of even before all this are accomplished they will destroy the US and they will then replace the US as a world leading superpower and rule the world from Jurusalem. Then all hell will break loose and great wars will eventually bring down this evil state of Israel. Then only a fair, just and sincere entity will govern the world. Are we too blind to see this coming?
ylzaf77 8 months ago
Tthe stolen settlements are planned and is part of their evil policy..they are built on hills to control the surrounding areas...it is well understood that they don't want peace..they just want more and more land..and they are doing this by controlling US, UN and most western countries..once they get more land (i.e palestine, iraq etc.), more and more jews or self-claimed jews will migrate to the illegal state of Israel a.k.a 'The Promised Land for the Chosen People'. ...(con't)
ylzaf77 8 months ago
Israel fucking terrorist
TheJimclay 9 months ago
Isreal is the biggest terrorists in the world ,a terrorist that can't be stopped by the UN or any human efforts,Israelis beleive they are the chosen people and there talmud is plain of shit ,I'm wondering why they don't show that shit on tv.....fucking talmud ,I'm a gentile and proud to be.
idriss0007 9 months ago
@idriss0007
if the things you say it true how can you explain the fact that so many that are not jews learning KABALAH?!
i know the truth,,,, some day you will find yours
mauritius69 9 months ago
ويمكن ان تبقى العنوسة، لكنها لن تكون مفيدة لأحد.
إسرائيل ليس اختراع معدات الدفاع والمعدات لا هجومية السبب هدفنا هو العيش في سلام والدفاع عنها من هؤلاء الارهابيين.
اذا كانت حماس ستواصل هجماته -- سيكون لدينا آخر حرب، وسوف يتم هدم العديد من المنازل أكثر من استخدمت من قبل حماس. وهذا يعني PALESTINIENS للعودة إلى المربع رقم 1 ، وذلك مفيدا؟؟
هل ستقوم إسرائيل البقاء إلى الأبد هنا كما PALESTINENS البئر -- يتيح الحديث!
لنوقف بغسل أدمغة الجهاد! 4 تثقيف السلام
mauritius69 9 months ago
ISRAEL UNLIKE ANY ARAB COUNTRY - IS BASED ON DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS....
AS THERE ARE PEOPLE IN ISRAEL THAT THINKS THAT THEY NEED TO GET SETTELE WHERE THEY DOING IT, THE ISRAELY GOVERMENT NEED TO DEAL WITH THEM BY THE BOOK, POLICE AND COURTS AND SO ON...
SO WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS TO DEAL.
BUT AS I TOLD, WE WILL NEVER PRAISE DEATH OVER LIFE.
PALESTINENS - SHAME TO HUMANITY [TERRORISTS & Muslim extremists]
mauritius69 9 months ago
@mauritius69 who cares about your fake democracy and human rights ,you r based on lies ,your history is full of shit ,a country based on occupation ,kill ,demolish Palestinians houses and build new settlements ....you call the victims terrorists ,shame on you ,you are the terrorist ,I'm a gentile and proud to be.
idriss0007 9 months ago 3
@mauritius69 the Israeli policy is clear "more land more lies we are the chosen people O_o".....just in the last year your army not militants or an inorgnized group ,it is your army who killed many civilians and childrens....never forget the gaza war crimes.....why you doing that ....are you human!!!!!
idriss0007 9 months ago
@idriss0007
you r more than welcome to come to israel and judge for yourself..
i know.... as always... and you can say what ever you want but you cant understand it or know it, you have to be a part of it, israely soldiers is learning more than anything that we have to treat the civilians as uninvolved of the situation.... it is a fact, the idf is risking me and my friends so we wont hurt civilians and operations canceld beacause of it and this is why hamas is shielding itself with innocent pep
mauritius69 9 months ago
TAKE A LOOK HOW THE PALESTINE KIDS IS EDUCATED AS PEACE PARTNERS
/watch?v=68EIDtpImrA
mauritius69 10 months ago
@mauritius69 either your a zionist or your brainwashed by zionists
h4ck3z 10 months ago
@h4ck3z
or i just belive to what i see
as im saying it, israeli ministers are talking about that isuue. the palestine society is not educated to peace, and its very difficult to have a conversation with the "street" when their "goverment" (terror org, - hamas) is acting the way they act.
the israely kids is being educated to peace!!!
and it doesnt matters what is in bitween, we aint teaching our kids how importent is to get expolded and kill others in the name of GOD!
PEACE! not missles
mauritius69 9 months ago
@mauritius69 what a fucking peace r u talking about!!!!! r u really that dumb ,an occupied people under fire and you telling me shit ,fuck you
idriss0007 9 months ago
@idriss0007
it doesnt matter what is your status. killing and being a shahid is not part of life
killing yourself is not an option. brainwashing in name of allah....
shame for humanity.....
mauritius69 9 months ago
@mauritius69 don't matter cause you Israelis are the occupiers and the killers who blow houses and kill Palestinians to get more land ,they have the right to defend there selfs and attack to get the violated lands and rights......60 years of the same senario satan respect you.
idriss0007 9 months ago
@idriss0007
THEY CAN KEEP DOING IT, BUT IT WONT BE HELPFUL FOR ANYONE.
ISRAEL IS INVENTING DEFENDING EQUIPMENT AND NOT OFFENSIVE EQUIPMENT CAUSE OUR IS LIVING IN PEACE AND DEFENDING FROM TERRORISTS.
IF HAMAS WILL KEEP HIS ATTACKS - WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER WAR, MANY MORE HOUSES THAT BEEN USED BY HAMAS WILL BE DEMOLISHED. AND FOR PALESTINENS THAT MEANS BACK TO SQUARE 1, IS THAT USEFUL????
ISRAEL WILL FOREVER STAY HERE AS WELL THE PALESTINENS - LETS TALK!
STOP THE JIHAD BRAINWASH! EDUCATE 4 PEACE
mauritius69 9 months ago
@mauritius69 that hamas thing is very old to use it ,find something else ,the settelements are clearly the main problem ,you keep demolishing Palestinians houses and build new settelements ,Israel don't want peace ,Israel want more more land ,that's the Israel policy for 60 years.....stop building settelements and stop bombing civilians and demolishing houses and growing on that......UN partition is clear.
idriss0007 9 months ago
@idriss0007
ISRAEL WONT STOP ITS LEAVING BECAUSE THE PALESTINANS HAVE CHOSEN THE WRONG PARLAMENT TO REPRESENT THEM. WE AINT LIVING BY YOUR CALL... WE AINT WAINTING BY THE PHONE
THERE BEEN MANY TIMES THAT ISRAEL HAS OFFERD PEACE AGREEMENTS IN GOOD SITUATION
ULMERT AND RABIN AND BARAK... WHICH IF YOU NOITCE ARE "LEFT" MEMBERS, NOW WITH BIBI ITS MORE DIFFICULT. FOR SURE WITH HAMAS
HAMAS IS NOT A PEACE PARTNER.
ISRAEL GAVE ARRAFAT - M-16- SO HE WILL HAVE HIS OWN POLICE FORCES
WE TRIED & TRIED.
mauritius69 9 months ago
@mauritius69 dumb lies O_o
idriss0007 9 months ago
@idriss0007
AND ITS CLEARLY THAT THE PALESTINAINS WITH HAMAS INCORGMENT WANTS ISRAEL OUT OF THIS REGION AND DOESNT UNDERSTAND THE REAL ISSUE
TERROR WONT SOLVE A THING... YOU KEEP YOUR TERROR ILL KEEP BUILDING....
YOU CANT SAY - I DONT WANT TO NEGOTIATE BUT - DONT DO THIS AND DONT DO THAT,,,,
THIS IS NOT PART OF REAL LIFE....!
OPEN YOUR EYES AND KICK HAMAS OUT, HAMAS WILL BRING MANY MORE DEATH TO GAZA. AS HEZBOLLAH WILL BRING DEATH TO LEBANON..!!!!!!!!
mauritius69 9 months ago
Israel is not expanding "settlements" , They are just using land legally to develop the infrastructure of their country.
smartcnut 10 months ago
To understand Israel’s legal foundation, borders and rights to the entire land of Palestine, one must journey back to the critical period from 1915 to 1925 when the modern Middle East was shaped. There is only one departure point and whoever thinks it began in 1948 or 1967 is woefully ignorant of the situation or badly misinformed
smartcnut 10 months ago
The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
smartcnut 10 months ago
Israel's borders under international law were determined more than twenty years prior to the establishment of the United Nations. The UN adopted the Mandate for Palestine in 1945. These borders remain the legal borders, and they include all of Judea and Samaria (the land the Jordanians called the West Bank in 1948) as well as all of Jerusalem
smartcnut 10 months ago
soon the water will run out :)
MillyVanillification 11 months ago
I agree in a Palestinan state just not in tiny little Israel.
andyinvietnam 11 months ago
the whole world, and international community says that israel has been build on palestian land, and some stupid fucker comes out of no where today claimes israel existe there since the begning of time, yes the jews lived there no probleme but not fucking polish and german immigrent.these zionist so called jew they should go back where they came from.
javed119 11 months ago
@javed119 - Why do you think there were Jews in Poland and Germany?
andyinvietnam 11 months ago
@javed119 Look it up buddy there never has been a Palestinian state priotr to 57' when Israel was created. Jews made up 12% of the population of the british mandate and 80% of Jerusalem and yet they were given only 10% of the entire mandate. And in Israel arabs and "Palestinians" were allowed to stay as full citizens. In the rest of the mandate, all of the Jews living in Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, and most from Iraq were forced to leave their homes.
durhamdf 11 months ago
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@durhamdf The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
smartcnut 10 months ago
@javed119 *Sorry meant 47'
durhamdf 11 months ago
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The Jews have to go. End of the line.
Tiaktiak 1 year ago
There was British mandate Palestine, that is different.
Rehald729 1 year ago
The Palestinians say they don't want to negotiate because the Israelis are still building illegal settlements on their land. The Israelis say this isn't a major problem.....what's wrong with this picture? You can't escape from oppression in another land to oppress others, that is just wrong surely?
gghostd 1 year ago
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@gghostd The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
smartcnut 10 months ago
FUCKIN ISRAEL, STOP BUILDING SETTLEMENTS
Doteatsurpants 1 year ago
Israel as a country, and as an idea, is just stupid. Look at this mess these Zionist idiots created. As if the Middle East wasn't fucked up enough already.
Countries shouldn't be formed based on one race or one religion. That divisive shit should be left out of nation building.
Why can't Arabs and Jews live in the same neighborhoods... because they're divided over their childish religions.
pnoozi 1 year ago
Israel is a terrorist country and the World is waking up to that fact.
When are we going to inspect Israel's nuclear arsenal?
MendingMedia 1 year ago
Zionist are doomed...
syedmauqib 1 year ago
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We are still here , we are still hereeeee. YISRAEL RULEZ !!!!!!! FUCK ARABS !!
ZIONADIEL 1 year ago
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@ZIONADIEL
You have written here:
We are still here , we are still hereeeee. YISRAEL RULEZ !!!!!!! FUCK ARABS !!
Do you have any idea how ARROGANT and JUVENILE and RACIST your comment is?
TheChutzpahGirl 1 year ago
@ZIONADIEL at least you are openly racist, which is never shown by jews in Europe, because most jews know racism has had disastrous effects in WW2...but finally, you admit, racism is a good thing, enjoy it, you kids will enjoy it, your grand children will enjoy it.....until one day, some idiot in the security will screw his mission, and Israel is going to find itself as the target of millions of hatefull people who might enjoy thoroughly how much racism is an enjoyable thing to practice. Sad.
hamrite 1 year ago
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@ZIONADIEL
"We are still here , we are still hereeeee. YISRAEL RULEZ !!!!!!! FUCK ARABS !!"
People like you should be exterminated. You disrupt the world for the rest of us people who are above childish religions and childish ethnic pride. Arabs and pro-Israel Jews make me sick when they fight. They fight for no valid reason, and the rest of us have to suffer because they can't grow the fuck up.
pnoozi 1 year ago
STOP BUILDING SETTLEMENTS YOU FUCKS
Doteatsurpants 1 year ago
Palestinian state = Israeli civil war. It's not going to happen. Everyone's just going through the motions.
DCFunBud 1 year ago
In 1990 there were 70,000 settlers...now 7 times more. What is this with not accepting continued settlements. This is whimp talk. He should have said that the US does not regard the settlements as legitimate. His statement indirectly implies that the US accepts the settlement that exist at any given time. The action of building them might be illegitimate, but settlements become legitimate once they are built, in the eyes of the US.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000 To be completely fair, Jews made up 90% of Israel right after its foundation, 80% in the 1990s, and now they're only 75% of the total pop. Arabs are winning the demographic war. If people like you had brains (I really mean no offense), then most of the complaints here wouldn't exist. Arabs will win the demographic war in the end anyway. So, who the fuck cares anyway?
redarrowhead2 1 year ago
@redarrowhead2 "To be completely fair, Jews made up 90% of Israel right after its foundation,"
First, this only happened because of massive Jewish immigration. You can read the 1922 and 1931 British census counts to confirm this.
Second, in what is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza - in 1948, Jews made up approximately 50% of the population and the other 50% was NEVER ASKED about partition, Western Nations determined it.
And what was partition? It was SEGREGATION.
fuzzywzhe 1 year ago
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@JohnnyRock2000 The San Remo mandate - This presents Israel’s solid legal case to the whole territory of Palestine or the Land of Israel based on all the important documents of international law that came into existence during and after World War IDespite the many UN resolutions against Israel, no legal action has or can revoke Israel's legal title to the land.
smartcnut 10 months ago
The Zionist Plague has taken over!
mannhorn34 1 year ago
30 years ago there were 70,000 illegal "settler" colonists. Now there are 1/2 million. So much for natural growth. Just as natural as a fungus grows on a tree.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
@JohnnyRock2000
Today there are 5 Million Jews illegally occupying Palestine, whom have killed or displaced 7 Million Native Palestinians since 1945. Thus is the character of the peace loving Jew !
Drwilliamsm45 1 year ago
@Drwilliamsm45 - Yes, and the techniques they use are so many especially the rationalizations, as they keep changing. I heard Netanyahu at AIPAC 2010, claim ancestry to a Netanyahu Ben-Yosh, supposedly of Israel 3,000 years ago. Yet Netanyahu's father came from Russia in the 20's an his name was Milekowski. It's all such a deceit, but coming from 1000's of sources. Each deceit can be spotted for the lie it is, but they keep coming. Remembering that it is all a lie is important.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
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@Morgethein - My statement of "It's this simple. Boot the Arabs out and steal their land. All the rest are details", makes it clear what Israel has done since the beginning. They've done it with America's help of course and awesome manipulation of the media and anything necessary to achieve the stealing of land and displacement of Arabs. It cannot go on endlessly. One day Israel will answer for it and the world will understand without much mercy for Israel.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
israel is scum
beydounislam 1 year ago
It's this simple. Boot the Arabs out and steal their land. All the rest are details.
JohnnyRock2000 1 year ago
honestly, I used to like Israel because I thought that all people deserved their own lands, but after watching videos like this everywhere I feel that Israel should be dissolved, and a Palestinian country(One with free religion to minimize conflict)should take its place.
mtime6 1 year ago
It's obvious from youtube, etc. that the settler's are generally hateful racists.
Israel's economy has been better than the US for years. So call Congress and tell them to keep OUR money HERE !
ohioguy7 1 year ago
Boycott the Sicarii Zionist Government and Occupation by not fraternising with illegal settlements in Palestine.
The boycott is a major tool for alleviating the frustration and sense of helplessness, plaguing so many Israelis.
Contribute To The Success Of The National Boycott by rejecting products made in all illegal settlements.
Get a list of settlement-made products from the campaign HQ;
National Boycott Headquarters
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Tel: 03-5221732
P.O.B. 3322, Tel-Aviv 61033
RobGnorts 1 year ago
There are 500,000 Israeli settlers in the westbank...so lots of luck in evicting them...remember how hard it was to evict just 8000 settlers from Gaza...so the Israeli settlers are there for good.
Probably the only thing the Palestinians can do is emigrate to other countries.
EdwardRommel 1 year ago
The only thing that's keeping Israel going is U.S. material and financial support. Without U.S. direct and indirect support that blight on the people of Palestine called Israel and it's government will wither and die, just like a cancerous tumor that has had its blood supply cut off. What I would like to see is all the dispossessed and displaced Palestinians come back to Israel reclaim their lost land and simply and democratically rename it Palestine as they globally outnumber Jews in Israel 2:1
logosphi 1 year ago 8
@logosphi I didn't see the United States aiding Israel until after 1967 as many Arab countries alligned with the Soviet Union. You do realize the only reason the United States originally alligned with Israel is due to the fact that Egypt alligned with the Soviet Union, the cold war enemy.
Fitplayer66 1 year ago
@Fitplayer66 So your point is that they started aiding Israel after 1967 because the other side aligned themselves with the Soviet Union; And? What relevant point are you trying to make in relation to my comment? At the moment all you're doing is adding details as to when the U.S. started aiding Israel and going off on a tangent as to why...
logosphi 1 year ago
@logosphi The signifiance of my statement is that Israel could indeed survive without the United States. Your previous statement relied on the premise that the only way for Israel to continue existing is due to the American aid.
Fitplayer66 1 year ago
@Fitplayer66 The belief that Israel can survive without U.S. aid and political support is at best unsubstantiated opinion. Which to be fair, my own belief that they cannot survive is also an opinion. However, at this very moment they are in FACT receiving U.S. aid and albeit with some criticism; they still have our support. The U.S. is doing itself a disservice by actively supporting the occupation of Palestinian lands; we should regain the moral high ground by cutting them off.
logosphi 1 year ago
@Fitplayer66
Israel invaded Egypt in October 1956, with French and English help not mentioning that Jews have begun an all out military offensive against the unarmed civilians of Palestine starting in 1945, headed by the International Terrorist Gangs of Stern and Irgun organized by the World Zionist Congress with full support of the US, financed mainly by American and International Jews such as Rothschild - weapons left over from the War was given to them by the US.
Drwilliamsm45 1 year ago
@logosphi false. This myth that you muslims/arabs/jewhaters try to spread is really really complete nonsense. Annual US aid to israel accounts for 2% of their GDP and it is under a plan that allows israel to only put that money into the military. Meanwhile, 7% of Israel's GDP goes into the military. If US cuts funding, Israel will have to make due with 2% less, big shit. US and Israel are allies. Just as Iran and Syria funds terrorist groups like Hezbollah. Stop whining and fight like a man.
redarrowhead2 1 year ago
@redarrowhead2 "Annual US aid to israel accounts for 2% of their GDP "
Fine - if Israel doesn't need US money, then Israel should just stop accepting US "aid", since it's so miniscule anyhow. Then everybody will be happy.
I'll be happy with that solution. Start supporting that solution, since Israel doesn't need the cash anyhow, at least according to you.
fuzzywzhe 1 year ago
@logosphi Israel no longer gets financial aid from the US..only military aid.
The Israelis are waiting until they have a majority of the population in the westbank with additional Russian and other Jews...then they will officially annex the westbank.
But I don't feel sorry for the Arabs or Palestinians...they brought it upon themselves.
EdwardRommel 11 months ago
@logosphi good thinking.. lets have palestine be restored back to a third world country!! maybe when these "evil jews" leave the palestinians will come back and turn it into it's neighboring 1st world nations such as Syria, Jordan or Egypt?? note my sarcasm ... -.- why would the US fund so much money to Israel? what do they have to gain? Your points have no reference, and the israelis won the 1948 war when the arabs rejected a peace offer from the UN. ISRAELI WIN, PALESTINE FAIL
benbezuidenhout 8 months ago
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ChillMMM 7 months ago
And maybe America has too much land. Maybe we should give back Texas since we took it unfairly as well.
jesseKtabor 1 year ago
Ok, since Israel announced it will build more settlements where can I apply to volunteer?
762459 1 year ago
Volunteer for what? If it's for more settlements and you're an American, then your tax dollars are paying for them. And in exchange for our money to build Israeli settlements, America's troops and America's national security are placed in even more jeopardy.
Hey, but that's okay -- Israel always comes before America, according to Israeli firsters and misled Christians who don't know their Bible.
lorichet 1 year ago
@762459 you can volunteer at the I'm-A-Massive-Zionist-Prick-With-No-Conscience Office on I'm-Very-Ill-Informed-And-Racist Street in Twatsville
peebatron10k 1 year ago
@peebatron10k boring
762459 1 year ago
Lets remember, Palestinian Hamas has been routinely firing rockets into Israeli suburbs for decades. Israeli must expand, and it will!
cornsnake91 1 year ago
@cornsnake91 Let's remember that Israel has been illegally occupying Palestinian land and water sources and committing human rights atrocities and using weapons the UN has banned on Palestinians for decades. Let's also remember that Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement to an illegal occupation. What Israel is doing amounts to armed robbery and one day the world will realise it and disestablish the Israeli State. I hope that day comes soon.
peebatron10k 1 year ago
Israel is totally wrong here. I don't back Palistine on many issues, but Israel is causing their own problems. Peace cannot be at the forefront when you build settlements on land that was once Palistinian territory.
scfloyd1 1 year ago
99% of modern day jews are descendants of Khazars. Khazars were a pagan tribe who (during the middle ages) used to live in the land we call Russia today. Their king (Bulan) converted to judaism in 740AD and his people followed him. These self-proclaimed jews have no blood link to Abraham and Moses of the Bible.
TheTrueDavid 1 year ago
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Israel once again shows that it is not interested in Peace. It is time for the EU and America to distance themselves from Israel and let them fend for themselves.
PSF1 1 year ago
Israel is a sovereign nation....Fuck Obama!!!
roughcoat09 1 year ago
@roughcoat09 Israel is wrong my friend.
scfloyd1 1 year ago
@scfloyd1
You are wrong. Israel will be around far longer than you or Nobama.
Build more housing!!!!
roughcoat09 1 year ago
Israel is fanning the fire big time.
boldertits 1 year ago
From Dayan's prescription for the permanence of the status quo to Netanyahu's prescription for a two-state solution, Israel has lived "without a solution," not because of uncertainty or neglect but as a matter of deliberate policy, clandestinely driving settlement expansion to the point of irreversibility while pretending to search for "a Palestinian partner for peace."
Henry Siegman, former director of the American Jewish Congress
ephemerol 2 years ago
What about the 1,000,000 muslims living in Israel proper? If the settlers should go, then should also the muslims go to where they belong, to their brothers in the desert.
Chrissib1989 2 years ago
looks like you forgot that Israel is made on OCCUPIED PALESTINIANS TERRITORIES
ksamerk 1 year ago 6
looks like Arabs are settling on occupied christian territory in northern Africa. You are lucky, that in the near future we 2 billion christians don't want to continue the Reconquista.
The Reconquista isn't finished yet!
Chrissib1989 1 year ago
@ksamerk False, there was not Palestine territory before 1948. And also, why you guys whine about settlements? It's only jews living in the West Bank, nothing of a harm if you Palestinians don't do anything stupid.
Rehald729 1 year ago
@Rehald729
Population of Historic Palestine
Year Non-Jewish Palestinians Jewish Population
1877 426,908 (97%) 13,942 (3%)
Source: McCarthy, Justin, The Population of Palestine, Columbia University
Press: New York, 1990, pp. 10, 35.
ksamerk 1 year ago
@ksamerk So?
Rehald729 1 year ago
@Rehald729
look, i don't have time for you, if you don't know how to read, ask your friends...
you said there was not palestine before 1948, and i got you a source to show you there was Palestine and showed you the populations in 1877...
ksamerk 1 year ago
@ksamerk who were these "palestinians prior to 47? Who were their leaders? What was there culture as destinct from other Jordanians? There were Jews living in the holy land for 3000 years...does that mean there has always been a continuous state of Israel?
durhamdf 1 year ago
@ksamerk I totally dissagree with the settlement building but Israel is certainly not built on "OCCUPIED PALESTINIANS TERRITORIES" . Palestine didn't exist until 47 when Israel was created...Read your history, it is sad to see how few people realize that "Palestinians" are really just Jordanians who are only made destinct by relations with Jews during the 1800s. Other than that there is no destinct Palestinian" culture, language, borders, or leadership untill 47
durhamdf 1 year ago
@durhamdf - Can you show me the Palestinian currency or National charter, constitution or name the first president/king/dictator or name the capital and where its government sat or show me an image of a postage stamp for the so-called palestinian state you are speaking of which was formed in 1947?
andyinvietnam 11 months ago
@andyinvietnam no arguments here, I have been saying that Modern day Israel and Palestine were created at the same time so there is no way that Israel is "built on top of Palestine" There never has been a Palestine prior to 47' and that isn't a controversial thing to say, it is a fact. Israel does occupy a fair amount of "Palestinian land" because of the buffer zones and settlement building. My point to make to a Palestinian supporter is what govt. has Israel had to turn the west bank over to?
durhamdf 11 months ago
@ksamerk
There is no such thing as ''occupied palestinian teritories'' this teritories are in Saudi Arabia
Tomislavv2 8 months ago
we, the people from europe and usa, understand more and more what is going on in the middle east, despite all the professional work of disinformation from israel government and their lobby.
israel occupies palestinian land, illegally, condemned by UN resolutions. but israel doesn't matter about UN resolutions. Not israel. so what can those occupied do more than claim their rights at the UN?
testhmtest 2 years ago 3
@testhmtest The sad thing is that it stems from racism, but no one will admit it. They undoubtedly would feel differently if the situation were reversed and Arabs were occupying Israeli territory and killing Israelis. But because of a feeling among Americans that Arabs are terrorists/"uncivilized," they aren't willing to see their side of the situation.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
Zionists are coming from everywhere into Palestine and this is NATURAL GROWTH of Israel????
Some Palestinians are killed and some of them are ejected and this is for NATURAL GROWTH of Israel???
MVM1999 2 years ago
I have heard over 100,000 settlers now dwell in the West Bank. What will become of them when it comes to negotiating for Middle East peace? How will a solution be found that is acceptable to Palestinian negotiators?
ilkinond 2 years ago
Muslims should go and live in the desert in saudi where they belong
geoffreyphilip 2 years ago
We should stop supporting this apartheid regime, it's making us look bad
babyloniandream 2 years ago
why Jews should be allowed to resettle areas in which they didn't live in the years preceding the 1967 war, areas that were almost empty of Jews before 1948 as well. But why didn't Jews live in the area at that time? Quite simple: They had been the victims of a three-decades-long ethnic cleansing project that started in 1920, when an Arab attack wiped out a small Jewish farm at Tel Hai in Upper Galilee and was followed by attacks in Jerusalem and, in 1921, in Jaffa and Jerusalem.
batyam1987 2 years ago
@babyloniandream
In 1929, Hebron's centuries-old Jewish population was expelled as a result of an Arab pogrom that killed almost 70 Jews. Jews that year removed themselves from Gaza, Nablus and Jenin
batyam1987 2 years ago
Many people insist that settlements are illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention. But that convention does not apply to Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria and the Gaza district. Its second clause makes it clear that it deals with the occupation of "the territory of a high contracting party." Judea and Samaria and Gaza, which Israel gained control of in 1967, were not territories of a "high contracting party." Jewish historical rights that the mandate had recognized were not canceled.
batyam1987 2 years ago
@babyloniandream
Obama has made his objections to Israeli settlements known. But other U.S. presidents have disagreed. President Reagan's administration issued a declaration that Israeli settlements were not illegal. Support for that position came from Judge Stephen M. Schwebel, former president of the International Court of Justice, who determined that Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria did not constitute "occupation."
batyam1987 2 years ago
To be perfectly honest, it isn't a true occupation as there isn't 2 states, there is one state and 2 territories. I don't care what presidents think, Bush thought torture should be legal, and its a good thing it isn't up to them eh?
Settlements are a concern no doubt, but that's not my biggest concern in of itself, its how those settlements arise. I can build a settlement in the west bank too, so can anyone who buys land from the locals, but its how its done thats an issue (and other concerns)
babyloniandream 2 years ago
Screw the occupiers screw the oppressors, one day you know you shall fall and when you fall it will be worse than the holocost, your asking for it, you jew nazi's , jews are same as hitler, no difference, , and dumbass, the people living in palestines that are fighting the occupiers are not terrorists, they are freedom fighter, just to remind u , George washington 1st american president was also called the number one Terrorist , so was freedom fighters of india afganistan. and so on. read facts
armoni85 2 years ago
@armoni85 Hey, it's not a Jew issue, it's an Israeli issue. I'm Jewish and think that Israel doing some terrible things and almost entirely in the wrong.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
Israel will eventually take all of gaza and the west bank. Both sides talk about a peace solution in public but in private both sides only want the destruction of the other. The palestinians opportunity for a peaceful solution has long passed.
Maxwedge12000 2 years ago
Ahmadinejad was right to get rid of all Zionist Israeli's. These guys one of the main evils in this world right now. The US is another and with all their power is doing nothing to stop Israel. In most cases they back up what Israel is doing (presently threatening Iran with sanctions for 'secret' nuclear facilities that Iran told the IAEA about).
MrClawson9 2 years ago
The so called settlements are key to taking more Arab land. The good land in the West Bank is under Israeli control. Arabs are in dusty, useless low land. Israeli towns are linked with good roads, protected by the army and controls 85% of the water.
JohnnyRock2000 2 years ago
Historically sometimes the only solution is violence. In this case, it is that time.
KewazingaBabinga 2 years ago
Time for total war. The conflict will end only when one side is completely defeated and this can only happen with total war. Let the war begin, winner take all.
Maxwedge12000 2 years ago
settlements" apply to Palestinians as much as Israelis. Over ~400,000 Arabs have entered the West Bank and Gaza via Jordan since the start of Oslo. The Arabs have bult ~261 settlements in the West Bank since 1967. In comparison ~200,000 Jews have entered the West Bank and Gaza (including Jerusalem Suburbs) and built ~144.settlements.Israel CONTINUES to have a policy of essentially allowing unhindered immigration to the Palestinian Autonomy across the Jordanian, and Egyptian borders.
batyam1987 2 years ago
The "two state solution" is simply not a solution, simple as that.
Jordan is in practically every way the second state the 'Palestinians' are begging for.
And as was shown many a time, the Arab world will never, ever, accept a Jewish state.
somethingboring 2 years ago
the jews are just plain greedy bastards. they are not content with the unrecognised state they killed UK soldiers for, they now want to steal other peoples land, stick their fingers up at international law, and yet expect other to follow it when it suits them. scumbags
0SXM 2 years ago 2
Anyway. Growing the settlements will clearly only cause more violence, is against international law and is unjust. More and more people are saying that a two state solution is not possible and only a one democratic state solution is possible. This would be the best but given the animosity between factions in the two groups (Israelis and Palestinians) this is going to be difficult.
chrisarthur77 2 years ago
I believe in a God, not sure whether that's Christ or not, anyway that's another story.
The arabs' believe the whole earth is their's, given to them by allah. That is why they hate the Jews.
A 2 state solution would give hamas and hezbollah their own country to do what ever they wanted, even to create a military and arm themselves with nuclear weapons.
Hopefully you wouldn't want these terror groups to get their hands on such weapons.
This is the debate!
eighthof8 2 years ago
I think the "debate" is that you seem to think all Arab people think alike.
chrisarthur77 2 years ago
If all Arab people believed the whole earth was their's do you think that they will not stop and Israel and attack greenland next! Ahhh the domino theory is back! It is unfortunate that Americans believe such hysteria and have such racist ideas. The level of belief in religion in a developed country like the US is phenomenal. I have seen stats that have a large majority in the US actually believing in the Devil as a real material being!!!
chrisarthur77 2 years ago
First of all Hezbollah is a Lebanese Shia millitancy not Palestinian!
bloodwiper 2 years ago
Israel doesn't give a damn whether hezbollah is shia or sunni, as a matter of fact neither do most American's including myself! What does matter is both of these groups are funded by rogue nations bent on terroristic activities directed at a peaceful democracy!! All land in Israel is Jewish land, and they have the right to build settlements wherever and whenever they want! Building settlements has nothing to do with obama and his allies, he needs to keep his nose out of it!!
eighthof8 2 years ago
@eighthof8 What makes all land in Israel "Jewish land"? Having religious history in an area doesn't mean you can just claim it and force the current population out, especially when the history is from almost 2000 years ago.
If the situation were reversed, and Arabs were forcing out Jews, I have no doubt that you'd reverse your opinion. Your opinion on this issue stems from racism, whether you're willing to admit to it or not.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
The settlements don't cause violence; they're just another excuse for violence. Arabs attacked Jews long before settlements existed (e.g., Hebron 1929), and they continue to attack Jews even after settlements are dismantled (e.g., Gaza 2005-present)
yofic 2 years ago
The settlements dont cause violence?!!! A neat piece of twisted logic there. What about bulldozing Palastinian homes, does that cause violence? What about the so called security wall and the destruction of farmland and olive groves, does that cause violence? What about complete control of Palastinian air space and sea ports, does that cause violence? What about the recent genocidal action of the Israel army, I wont call it a war, to do that would be to give legitamcy to a war crime. Get real.
sail1948 2 years ago
sail1948:
Settlements don't cause violence. Choosing to live in a place does not cause violence. Those acting with violence cause violence.
Every situation you mentioned, to the extent that it exists, exists as a direct result of Palestinian attacks against Israelis.
The facts remain: Violence predated settlements and continues after settlements are dismantled.
yofic 2 years ago
@yofic None of this excuses Israel's current actions. Israel is occupying Palestinian territory. Palestinian attacks against Israel are scattered attacks committed by extremists, while Israel attacks with an organized military. Far more Palestinians are killed than Israelis in these attacks. Palestinian citizens are not responsible for the actions of other Palestinians in the past, and to kill/injure them or block aid to them is a war crime.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
Benkai:
Israel's actions don't need to be excused; I was simply stating facts.
Whether or not the territory is "occupied" in the legal sense is debatable, but even if it is, occupation is entirely legal according to int'l law (barring certain circumstances not present here).
Palestinian attacks are not scattered attacks. They are part of Palestinian policy. This was made very clear this week, when leaders of both the Hamas party and Fatah party called for renewed violence against Israel.
yofic 1 year ago
The number of dead don't determine right or wrong, especially when you're dealing with a faction like Hamas, which does its best to increase the number of Palestinian casualties.
It isn't a war crime to kill civilians; it's a war crime to target civilians. The IDF does not target civilians. The IDF also does not block aid to civilians. To the contrary, the IDF continues to allow aid into Gaza. Hamas, on the other hand, has repeatedly confiscated that aid and prevented it from reaching civilians.
yofic 1 year ago
Do I hear a little bias with the Real News as I do with Al Jerezza?
Israeli citizens I want you to know that "We", a large grass roots organization stands with you, though our president may not. We believe that all of Israel belongs to you and this gives you the absolute right to build wherever you want, and whenever you want. You have the right to purge from your midst terrorists that claim Israeli land in the both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
eighthof8 2 years ago
Yikes. I hope this racist grass roots organization isn't large. Luckily most understand that greater Israel (taking over the west bank and gaza) is not a humane option. It might have been considered humane back when the US was clearing native people off their land but since Hitler ethnic cleansing has been given a bad name.
chrisarthur77 2 years ago
Our organization includes the majority of Congressional members on the Hill that believe Israel has the right to defend herself, and cast from it's midst the cowardly terrorists from the West Bank and Gaza that kill innocent civilians. It's inhumane when hamas operating in the Gaza Strip launches rockets to kill innocent Israeli's!
Israeli's endured enough during the Holocaust. They now have the right to live in peace and the right for self determination from outside interference!
eighthof8 2 years ago
I am sure that Hamas feels the same way about Israel (that they are justified in wiping them out). Also, there were no Israelis during the holocaust and Europeans killing Jews doesn't give Israel the right to do the same to Palestinians.
It is always interesting how those with power call those throwing homemade bombs cowardly. Reminds me what an Algerian fighter said: Give us some jet planes and tanks and we'll freely stop with the homemade bombs. The settlements are not defensive and illegal.
chrisarthur77 2 years ago
Israeli's are the children of Abraham and Issac and the land they now claim is the promised land from God. They have been without a country of their own since being the slaves of the Egyptian's.
This little country has defended itself from much larger powers during several wars with the help from God; there's no other way to describe it.
I say too bad! The other middle eastern countries don't want the terrorists either, or they would give them some land to call their own!
eighthof8 2 years ago
Israel gets to claim all of Gaza and the West Bank because it was promised by a fairy tale character named god? C'mon. The Native people have a far better right to take over the US given that historically they were there first. Of course when it happens to affect one's own country historical justification goes out the window and might makes right I assume. Or manifest destiny from this "god" person.
chrisarthur77 2 years ago
@eighthof8 thier is no prommis land only land stole from egypt reclaimed and stollen again the book stateing the land is promised is a book written by the people who claim to be the chosen ones and they have no problem slaughtering thousands of people including babies to hold onto a piece of dirt. best thing for the world would be to turn this land into a parking lot so noone can live there. both sides are wrong but israel is the origional thief
shadeleach 1 year ago
I want to add that a 2 State solution is no solution. The arab's would never be satisfied with any border created by anyone, and border wars are bound to happen killing more in the process.
Like I said terror is the reason why Egypt, Syria, Jordan or other countries claiming to be their friends don't want any part of them. Eypgy claiming to be their freinds even shut the border with them so they couldn't cross.
Obama needs to stay out of this conflict too, he's an arab deep down!
eighthof8 2 years ago
Israel attacked during the 1967 war and was much much stronger than the countries it attacked. God had no part. There is no god or flying spaghetti monster. This is 2009...c'mon. God? Really? Also, why would Arabic speaking not be satisfied with a two state on the green line? You could just have a one state that is democratic with rights not based on ethnic background. Not all Palestinians or Israelis are terrorists. Only some. The terrorists would have less power were the settlements dismantled
chrisarthur77 2 years ago