kotor 2 Apathy is Death

[TheEzyrlybe]

T3-M4:"BEEP BOP DREET BOP BOOP!" (Takes that long to say "Apathy Is Death"?

[Lysol295]

@TheEzyrlybe BEEP DOP....wtf ezy XD

[jmilco]

My character was so overpowered. I defeated everyone with just one burst of lightening.

[crayzeesteve]

did anyone actually learn the lesson from this? o . O

[zupergozer]

lol the bald hooligan is everyone's dark side character

[HittokiriBattousai17]

LOL i love Bao Dur walking in the place: "Hey, what's the commotion here?"

[StuffedAnimalPlanet]

@IlIIllIllII I was joking. They are constantly saying apathy is death, and I'm playing dumb asking "so...apathy is what again?".

[beaverlord1]

U need to get HK for this part he's funny

[StuffedAnimalPlanet]

I'm sorry...What Apathy is what again?

[cepomwa]

thats present, when he was with the republic soldiers it was his past, and as for revan.... i think you all understand what it means.

It just means that bioware is making a mmo crap game and we'll never see a true kotor 3 out.

[blazer1098]

I'm sorry But atton Looks retarted.

[TheGuyWithAWeirdName]

dont forget to leave clothings equipped on your party, because i did not and saw that scene for the first time with characters in underwear

[WolfytheWolf5667]

HK47 says "Statement, Apathy is Death." Lol, but he says it in some zombie manner.

[blackout3able]

i think darkhunt said it best comment removed"

[dubbeltid]

Man i loved the game <3

[LesPaul2006]

Kreia: Apathy is Death. Atton: Apathy is Death. Bao-Dur: Apathy is Death. Droid: Beeep-peeep-beeeep....

That droid is an attempt against the seriousness of the scene :)

[ArtieHoulihan]

Apathy is death

[HTankGlory]

Statement: Apathyyyyy iiiisssss Deaaaaaatttttthhhhhh.....!

[chickensesame]

...you're using force storm and master flurry (and master heal) on the same character? you suck.

[SlipknotRevan]

@chickensesame I like playing hybrids. The game is easy enough to do so. Don't judge me, random internet person.

[BarlytheDwarf]

@SlipknotRevan Yeah! True! I once got super bored with the difficulty and completed the whole sucker with just force powers (like heal and buffs) and blasters! Was thinking about doing it unarmed some day.. Might be a challenge.

[liamjd1]

@chickensesame whats wrong with that?

[NoTrauma]

Korriban is better in Kotor 1 cose you really find people there but in Kotor 2 , Korriban is more dramatic becose its empty and its so.. evil and filled whit dark things, dark secrets... Korriban is one of the best SW planets. And no, you don't suck but your a Jedi..

[GoTFCanada1230]

what scene is this?!

[BlackHawk38]

There's a reason why I don't wear headgear unless it's a robe hood.......

[metalluigi625]

Apathy is death.

[eastcoaststandup]

im always a guardian/sith lord

[LordXehenniar]

i loved this part

[DarkLink9393]

I think this was originally supposed to be foreshadowing of the deleted scene where your allies trying to kill her before you fought her.

[fleadog12]

YOU SUCK!!!

Im just kidding, I read the description.

Apathy is death...(so is McDonald's)

[Gonagal2]

Beep beep beep, tweet tweet!

[H4L0GaNGT4R]

Statement: Apathy is Death, Meatbag!

[theHIXXER]

want a coup of tee?

[plantleg]

is this why u end up with only mandalore and marr vissis

[JamesB547]

bao dur sounded pisted

[NixonTech2071]

Im a guy who beat this game numerously, and about the third time I run the game I was able to enter the sith tomb- At first I was thinking "Why the hell do they let you confront a sith lord this early?" Then, it came to me she was an image of the present. Sith philosophy is a drawing knowledge, both in the game and real life.

[tinboy1227]

i love keria she is the reason i replayed the game and everything she is the best

[aukuse]

@tinboy1227 you must off got shot when i wasent looking...

[peterfaj]

Why do you have to defend a dark jedi and attack good guys to get light side points? That doesn't make any sense.

[bigderf]

Well, on my first time played through, I was too much a fool to figure out she was a sith so I guess that is what Bioware assumed....Though Good point.

[peterfaj]

I was annoyed all the time that you can't at least kick her off the Ebon Hawk. There are videos where the player can see she is acting weird and sometimes the player character can hear her say weird stuff...

Though it is still confusing at first.

[a123xx72]

Well, remember, this was rushed.

[Plozen]

Also, to make a point, you didn't time it. You can't determine what damage you will take.

[SlipknotRevan]

timing is the wrong thing to say, i just did it a few times till it happened. But damage can be determined to an extend, d&d isn't ALL dice.

[Plozen]

Actually, considering it's all random, you cannot calculate what damage Kreia will do to you.

[atila339]

What are you ?? Consular ,sentinel or guardian?

And what class (example sith lord or jedi master)

[SlipknotRevan]

Sentinel Jedi Master

i like balanced classes:P

[atila339]

Me too :)

[Gothic90ever]

Consular/Weapon Master :)

[atila339]

Two very different classes mashed up. It should go good with the dark side of the force.

[magnumslinger]

The Vader combination is good too: Jedi Guardian + Sith Lord

Come to think of it, Luke was like that too: Jedi Guardian + Jedi Master

[peterfaj]

The prestige classes aren't what they are in the movies. Yoda was a Jedi Master and the watchman of Kashyyyk.

[FortitudeOfHeaven]

It's time LucasArts or Obsidian makes a patch to play it on Vista!!

Kotor 1 they released a Vista compatible version in Best of PC..

[wassup1578]

I have it for vista and I can play it. I just had to go to a couple of websites to find out how to get it to work. and I got it to work. and now I play it. =D

[FortitudeOfHeaven]

I saw those websites and forums too. Tried everything, still no luck.

[wassup1578]

what happens? does anything pop up? maybe I can help

[chimpjoubsmoo]

My game freezes whenever I try to go in to the cave :S

I agree with FortitudOfHeaven. Kotor2 has much better characters and a better plotline.

Shame about the next, Star Wars: The Old Republic; it's set 300 years after KOTOR2 :(

*sob*

[igorbog88]

Choose either the light or the dark!

There is no other choice!

CHOOOOOOOOOSSSSSE!

Apathy is death...

[NEMESIS1999]

Ofcourse there is they grey middle point perfectly positiones between light and darkness.

[ATADSP]

Apathy is death?

[Ace2021]

Apathy is death!

[FortitudeOfHeaven]

I loved kotor 2, even though many people liked the 1st one better. it just has a darker storyline and isolated feel.

the sith tomb was kinda creepy, it's like the Xmas Carol. The exile saw ghosts of his past (Republic soldiers), the present (Kreia), and the future (dark side Revan?). The other guy with Revan that disappears when you walk in is the Exile in dark side form.

VISAS's only one who doesn't turn on you, that's why I like her the best. She looks exactly like Kelly Hu who voiced her.

[Xenocidal]

"Beep do wooooo."

[Kuprix]

Ohh, ok. Thank you.

[Kuprix]

Why u have only that members when someone another has all of team?

[SlipknotRevan]

They recorded "apathy is death" for all characters but only these say it in the scene. The audio files were left in the folder though. There are many scenes/quests/plot parts that didn't make it in the game due to time constrains, but their files can still be find within the game's folders.

[SlipknotRevan]

found* :P

[zachloggins]

Exactly what my character looks like!

[SlipknotRevan]

Great minds think alike!xD

I usually choose long haired characters for RPGs (more like me), but I strangely chose this one for kotor2. Just found him the coolest.

[Baenistheman]

Eh, Personally I like the Obi-wan type hair cut, and this head for Revan.. You just look so bad ass when you take off the Mask in KotOR 1... But good choice, this is the second guy, in which I got bored because the name is never said by basic speaking people sooo... his name is Hugh erexxion... Listen I was 14... and it was a tuesday so WoW was down.. gimme a break

[GeneralBerger]

why are you not using the force focusing visor it is the best "eyewear" for force users?

[SlipknotRevan]

I just like the look of this one.

[NyloStar]

I like the part where they say Apathy is death.

[10aaa10]

Apathy is death, apathy is death, bee bee beep tweet tweet, apathy is death, apathy is death!

Stop saying apathy is death! lol

[conormori]

this was an epic scene, theres just something about how they all say it

[podda55]

"Get away from her, she is a dark jedi". atton, the exile is a guy

[allankles]

He's talking about Kreia.

[AnonIonCannon]

APATHY IS DEATH

[sharkshot2]

what happens if u side with kriea

[SlipknotRevan]

Then she helps you fight the others. Not a big difference, though you get DS points.

[SithSymbiosis]

It's the secret cave in Korriban

[SK8ERRB]

How do you get Apathy is death. Is it influence?

[bigderf]

I find this game is very Underrated, They say it was a poor excuse for a sequel, but i LOVED this game, it was more indepth and darker, Could've been better with more content (Gotta love Team Gizka), But it was a very great and fun game, In my opinion

[GeneralBerger]

your right on that, probably in the top 5 computer games of all time; for me at least

[kotor2ownerofall]

spooky......

[SithSymbiosis]

I wish I'd experienced sum of the things Kreia says. Minus the getting mi ass kicked by every1!

Am I the only 1 here who sided with Kreia? Cuz I hate that witch! Just did it so I didn't get a Darkside point if I (and will) lose.

[SithSymbiosis]

I love how Atton says "Think again Kreia! Your dark influence will end!" Sounds over-dramatic but cool!

[fizzymcbonbon]

Bao-Dur is so badass do you hear is voice its so cool! your threatining atton with a lightsaber and im supposed to just stay out of it? No!

[SlipknotRevan]

Yea he's a badass geek \ ;;/

[SithSymbiosis]

I HATE Kreia! She's 2 mean! Anyway if u remember those situations from KOTOR 1 where u die in a cutscene (e.g guilty when raiding Sith Base, Giant Firaxa Shark), In mi dark side game she kills the masters and then u! She was talking endlessly about sumthing I don't remember but I thought if I had died (since I've never encountered those scenes in KOTOR 2) I would plow mi controller through the TV lol!

[nacijo]

in the last few seconds of the video how did you change ur critical strike form from that to the kotor 1 style? plz reply

[SlipknotRevan]

I've done nothing, it's like that in the game.

[bardakci23]

critical strike only works for melee weapons not ligth sabers :)

[Divinenite]

really? i havent played kotor 2 coz i cant find it on computer, i got kotor 1 on PC and i beat it like 6 times already. In the first one you could use critical strike with lightsabers.

[cornchips88]

dude wtf is that dont u kill her like in the middle of this cave?

is that the entrance when ur really in the dark side and u can enter it

[Slashfan90210]

you fight her in vision form on Korriban, then again as her actual self on Malachor V

[Derpmeat08]

you "suck"

[SlipknotRevan]

right back at ya

[DIANAROSS4EVER]

Does he uses Gillette with his hair!? Hahaa

[WalleWildberrie]

when kreia says "apathy is death" the last time, it's kinda creepy. Btw, Atton and Bao-Dur, nice glasses. Oh, and the Exile too.

[SlipknotRevan]

Thanks

[nawteeboi7on]

was the little droid trying say "apathy is death" too?

[MKHellhound]

Yes probably he did, 'cause everyone said it so I think he did too:) was really laughing when this happend to me :)

[ezecoo]

darth traya is easy to kill there just try to make it to sith lord

[dogongood]

Wow took you long enough. LOL

[playerchosen1]

ya i remember this moment man it got creepy..lol didnt want to gain influence with kreia after this

[Trayusstudent1]

Kreia's spooky......

[Spartan46464]

Wow Kreia really tore you a new asshole. How did you fare against Darth Treya at the end of the game?

[SlipknotRevan]

Read the description -_-

Treya isn't the hardest thing in the game, if you can call anything hard.:P (no matter which difficulty's on)

Less spoilers please guys.

[SlipknotRevan]

lol instant answer;)

[FrodoTheMonster]

yea she is really hard. she has like 2000 hit points

[legokid14]

no she isnt how much hit points do u hav

[FrodoTheMonster]

like 2000 ( i used cheats ^^)

and i was lvl 50

[legokid14]

for pc

[FrodoTheMonster]

yea and i used mods and stuff.

i have it for xbox too. but i wanted to use mods and cheats so i got it for pc.

i like the pc one better

[Trayusstudent1]

I've got 2 versions aswell. I think of the XBOX version as the original and the PC version with the Mods as the "Special Edition"!!

[kaiftw]

u get tons of dark side points for this cuz i did this before lol i was at full light side and it dropped me way down almost hitting the middle

[lakeyballer]

LMFAO THE DROID WAS JUST AKWARD

[buskowiak]

What is suprising in this game, is this, how wisdom that Kreia try to give us, is worth of listening to it for real. Her lessons about apathy, about helping others... in reality the bonds between our actions and future consequnces of them sometimes become as violent and sad, as the ones, which kreia show us.

[SlipknotRevan]

Indeed. Many games have these moral choises and stories worth experiencing. Like Mass Effect or Bioshock for example.

[iBlah6666]

Agreed, but whats with everybody and Mass Effect? Sure its good, I'm not going to go and say its terrible. And sure it was made by bioware, but I couldn't enjoy it the combat ruined it for me. Oh and the first time I saw this scene, it scared the SHIT lights out of me! lol

[Trayusstudent1]

Anything Kreia's involved in scares the SHITE out of me! Lol!

[UridonTheMaster]

I've applied many things in KOTOR to real life, and Kreia does give knowledge worth listening to.

[buskowiak]

I see that you are interested in this subject, so check what is Karma in buddhism. It is nearly the same thing, which Kreia tell us.

[SithSymbiosis]

I remember doing this on my first playing through, got my ass kicked^^ had 2 reload the game so I can get out of there without a darkside point! I never did this on my 360 playthrough cuz of backwards compatiblity issues, everytime I die, rather than getting a dark side point I die 4 real! As a matter of fact I've never done this any of my playthroughs after the first 1 I've learned my lesson^^!!!!!

[shaneclone15]

i never played this part i thought u fight her at the end

[SlipknotRevan]

Yea this is just a vision of Kreya, not the real one.

[shoot994]

You can't spell Kreia.

[SlipknotRevan]

Oh damn, that was a big mistake of me! What was I thinking? *punches self*

maybe we should call her Lady Betray ;)

[shoot994]

Yeah. That would be better or call her the Darth Traya the Lord of Betyral.

[rileydog90]

I keep trying to play the game but when i scan my test it says my open Gl failed is there any free way to fix this?

[donnieij]

Yes update the game when u click it and it says update

[hwalker89]

this is my favourite part in the game.

Apathy is Death!

[holyafromonkey]

You have to have a strong alignment in light or dark to enter the area though :D

[Jakewkite246]

what is apathy?

what do they mean apathy is death

[SlipknotRevan]

Apathy means standing aside, not following anyone, not taking any sides, not caring. So they mean the only way to stay alive is to join a side.

[Jakewkite246]

thank you

[ocarinaoftasi]

oh, i remember this. these caves are on dantooine right? i think there is a glitched jedi corpse here that spawns infinite enemies for lots of xp

[SlipknotRevan]

They're on Korriban, yea the glitch is somewhere before that, just used it gain 1 lvl then got bored :)

[ocarinaoftasi]

yaeh i got lke 15 using force lightning to blast like 15 at a time.

[SlipknotRevan]

You mean Force Storm? ;) Gotta love that power...and Force Crush!

[ocarinaoftasi]

personally i like this one better than the first one. i always choose jedi consular, dark side, and sith lord.

[Divinenite]

i onlylike the level before force storm where you just shoot it straight, it kinda looks wierd when you use force storm when there's only one guy.

[RocheanSkywalker]

i remember i started to freak out when

they all said," apathy is death."

[tehquicksilver]

kreia is my favourite star wars character, i'd even say she surpasses Vader.

If you base the characters on their appearance then kreia would be pretty low on the the list but i find her to be the darkest of em all =P

[cards145]

how do u get in there

[YeeohDuh]

on Korriban, just before you reach the ruins of the Sith Academy, you'll see a cave opening. Go in & be ready to face Tukatas & Shyracks, Sith assassins and Hssiss. The entrance to this secret Sith dwelling is toawrd the left end after you cross that bridge fighting off the Sith assassins, Shyracks & the Hssiss. You'll see a door w/Force energy surrounding it. Kreia asks if you're prepared to enter the room. Once inside you're faced with tests w/real dangers to your character. Be ready

[Ruosteinenknight]

This was one of the best parts of the game. Not really original, but longer and more indepth version of 'Empire strikes back' dark side cave in Dagobah.

[yourFriendtheTaxman]

One reason KOTOR II was better than the first: Kreia

[FacultyFan]

I dont know... I REALLY liked the first KOTOR.

[platypusguineapig]

they are both diffent they are both specail in their own way

[FacultyFan]

True, the second story is darker but I felt the length of the game hurt the pace of the plot and thus clouded it a bit. You still got the plot but I found myself abandoning the mini-adventures just to try to get the whole story.

[SkullCollection1]

He almost was defeated by her. ;p I always play jedi guardian + jedi weapon master - fuckin' ultimate.

[SlipknotRevan]

read the description please... I usually play Sentinel+master.Works fine

[Pyschosistic]

Isn't there a way to make everyone attack Kreia instead of you?

[Jihad4BarakObama]

oh, i'm not really sure, maybe you have to side with her and she helps YOU attack them. I think though, no matter what you answer, everyone will attack you because all through the game, Kreia warns you to watch out for who accompanies you on your journey, though she may be saying that as a sith but IDK. Anyway, she looks menacing as Darth Traya wwith the black lips, greenish skin and the dark tress of her hair. Everytime i come to the part where everyone attacks, my game freezes X-(

[Pyschosistic]

No, really if you say that you'll stand by everyone and rid the world of evil (kriea) by going against everything she says, your entire team pile in on her and she just..vapourises..

[darthislam]

Spoiler for those who havent reached this yet, turn away now

after this "test" Kreia tells the Exile (via the force) that what happened in the cave was what he faced in the past and how it has affected him now, and what is yet to come. In the end of this test, the Exile faced Revan in combat. I wonder if thats whats in store for us in the 3rd installment if/when KOTOR3 comes out. Does Revan fall again to the Dark Side? Who knows?

[SlipknotRevan]

I don't know,but I think that cave is more important than it seems.Revan will no doubt be in the story of KotOR3 but I doubt they'll show if he is good or evil.Because of what happens in Kotor1. (don't wanna spoil:))

[Gforcebond]

wtf is apathy

[SlipknotRevan]

a type of emotion,indifference,lack of interest,not joining anyone... look it up

[DarkLink93939]

I was told from a teacher that apathy is the oppisite of empathy. She also said that it meant non caring.

[Pyschosistic]

..how old are you? :D

[SlipknotRevan]

You mean if I disagree with her throughout the game she won't give me an option? Dunno haven't done that,I watch my influence with her(I like her).Why are u asking? Cause I don't use special attacks on her? Read the descr

[Pyschosistic]

Huh? How did you get to that conclusion? I never really payed attention to your fighting, I just love this game.

The Sith Korriban Cave is designed to test how the rest of the game will go, will you be heavily aquitted into saving your allies, or will you ignore them, and that also goes the same way for Kriea.

Apathy is a form of ignorance, uncaring. Showing this about Kriea and your followers makes them want you to die.

Wheras saying you'll save Kreia and them, makes them attack her.

[Pyschosistic]

I've never really liked Kreia. I always liked HK-47 and HanHarr. It's a pity though, I don't have time to use them throughout the game, and I'm also usually playing lightside.

One of the better parts about HK-47 is his definition of love.

Definition: Love, is making a shot to the knees of a target, 800 meters away using an Aratech Sniper Rifle and a Twilight Scope.

Musing: Many meatbags can not make this shot, master.

Depending if your evil or not you can answer differantly. Funny :D

[SlipknotRevan]

Yea i love that line :) all his lines actually.

I usually play light sided too, though I prefer the dark jedi robes. The moment I really liked Kreia must be when the masters tried stripping me from the Force and she killed them,that was a really strong scene and she had great arguments.I respect her.

And hey i know what apathy is:)

[Pyschosistic]

I'm just a KOTOR nerd. But it pains me that I've never played KOTOR 1..

This has to be one of, if the only, decent Star Wars game series made. Brings out a brilliant leveling system, plenty of items, differant, although limited classes, and a decent story line.

And it has the option to play dark and light sided too. I hope KOTOR III goes alot more indepth with the dark side light side thing though.

The idea of dropping so far into the dark side and controlling sith seems cool.

[SlipknotRevan]

Oh it pains me that u've never played KotOR1 too:)

Do it,I'm sure it will become your favorite game!:D (btw KotOR1 has better graphics than KotOR2,it won't feel like you're playing an old game)

I'm not even sure they're working on KotOR3,

but I'm waiting for Mass Effect for PC now,it is very similar to KotOR.

[Pyschosistic]

Oh I've seen it played, got my friend killed on it too. (Some fishface trial thing.)

It looks alot more indepth that KOTOR II..

[SlipknotRevan]

Well there is no "influence" there so you don't have to watch THAT much what you're saying to others. Still matters though. Both just feel like the very same game but with a different story.

I'll take your word for it.

I know people have been spreading rumours that the next KOTOR game will be online, like a MMORPG. I don't know how this would work, but if it's something like th