God I love seeing stupid, arrogant skateboarders get their ass kicked by the cops. They have no respect for rules, or the rights of others. I have been run down, cursed, and injured by stupid teens on skateboards too many times. So, lord yes, Mr. Officer, fire 'em up!
Props to the cop. Stop acting so shocked that they got arrested, that tends to happen after you break the law AFTER being warned already. I never understood why skaters think the whole world is against them, when they're the ones breaking the law. Then people berate the cop for having a shitty job when most of those skaters probably won't even make it past college. Especially with their smart ass attitude and criminal records. Just sayin, think for once.
that is true when cops say stop and you take of you are evading and when you dont listen to the officer or dont do what they tell you it could be counted as resisting arrest
let's see he placed cuffs on him. how horrible. the use of force was appropriate. the officer first used lawful commands which were refused. the person fled and physically resisted arrest. the officer is allowed to use force to subdue a resisting arrestee. it's amazing the weak excuses you guys come up with for these troublemakers.
if it was armed robbery the officer would have pulled out his gun
@311Egar It was an official skate day or something, so it's obviously legal. Skateboarding rarely harms people on the street anyway and most skating teens are respectful of boundaries. This is just over the line.
never mind 311NAZI, hes just the local TROLL whos been harassing people over this video for about FOUR YEARS. the guy is a nutjob shill for the police state notice how he will whine about the definition of 'beat'
hes just mad becasue there is a steady stream of citizens posting the view that the fat cop went overboard in using that level of force considering each kid he touches in the video is 16 or 13 & it was over a 25$ city ordinance fine
@311Egar plus now your getting into semantics, your trying to prove that harrassing and handcuffing teenagers for a 25 dollar fine is necessary force. if this was necessary it wouldn't have even been detested. their would not be an obvious public outcry, this is what you do to a violent criminal not a dumb ass kid
@311Egar I didn't see any of the following in the video, I saw a kid laying on the ground.and getting hundcuffed
the community didn't, the courts did, and maybe several people, a community didn't back him, a few people did, that is not a community
resisted arrest is a shaky word, if you jerk slightly a cop may throw you on the ground it happens all the time, cops can claim resisting arrest without any resist at all it's one of the shakiest charges in the books.
"I saw a kid laying on the ground.and getting hundcuffed"
so you assume he did nothing wrong to get in that position?
it's clear the female resisted arrest and fled. did you notice the skater who obeyed his lawful orders did not require force continuum? seems to me if graham did the same he wouldn't have been on the ground nor would he have received the charges of fleeing and resisting arrest.
it involves more than the skate/bicycle law on sidewalks.
@311Egar I assume he resisted arrest, as put into the report by the police, but resisting arrest once again is many things. I don't know this man but if I see him screaming and chasing after a child for being on a sidewalk I'm going to assume he has anger issues, therefore making it more likely for him to overreact to a kid being a kid. slamming someone on the ground is for when your in danger. not for giving a ticket to a kid.
@311Egar also I noticed the skater who obeyed his order was not in direct contact with him. this man may have grabbed and scared the child all I know is that i see him screaming and slamming the child onto the ground. You keep talking as if this kid is dangerous, are you fucking kidding me?
@311Egar force continuum is once again a loose word, plus, that implies if anyone disobeys any amount of force can be used, and therefore the force used is somehow never out of place or unnecessary. Force may have been needed on some level to stop the child from running, but the amount used could have caused harm to him. And considering the level of the crime causing harm to a child over this is immoral. that is assuming because he is a man of the law his actions are never over the top as long..
it doesn't imply any amount of force can be used. he gave lawful orders. tell me, how does an officer perform his duties when lawful orders are refused? what amount of force was used that could have caused him harm? no a single skater was injured. the only person injured was a 67 year-old man who mccormack(21) committed battery against.
@311Egar ithe only thing you seem to be interested in is proving that because he followed technical orders he somehow didn't do something wrong today. I think the kids could have behaved better, but choking and reacting this harshly is ridiculous
his job is to lawfully enforce the law, which he in fact did. the skaters chose to deliberately break the law. no skaters were injured. no one was choked or slammed as you have claimed.
"don't slam him on the ground and choke him"
you are lying again. post the time stamp proving the officer slammed and choked graham. your repeated lies prove you cannot accept facts.
it's also why you fail to acknowledge the only person injured was a result of the oldest(21) skater
@311Egar as they follow the law. To assume that any amount of force to subdue someone is the correct amount of force is insane. Force continuum doesn't have levels of necessity, so that way the police can get away with tackling a child for resisting a ticket. If the child had gotten in a fight or was violently drunk this would have been necessary.
@311Egar disobeying orders gives him the ability to hurt the child to subdue him, not the moral right, nor does it deem the level of force more or less than necessary.
as for the time stamp when he is screaming and chasing the kid 0:58
it doesn't give him the ability to hurt anyone. where do you get this from? your disagreement with the level of force used is your own opinion, not fact.
i hear no screaming at :58 from the officer. i do see him chasing nalls who refused his lawful orders and then fled. he never screamed at nalls
at 2:00 he is cuffing brindley for interfering with a lawful arrest. i don't see any body slam. unless you are referring to when they both simultaneously went to the ground.
@311Egar there are certain things that are obvious when seen, when you see this, you might think, oh child was resisting, he needs to be taken down and choked on the ground, when I see this I think, grab the kid and ticket him, don't slam him on the ground and choke him. I'm going to assume that most people would agree with this.
it doesn't prove me right but it proves you have little sympathy for human beings and the difference between right and wrong.
then explain how that is done when the skater is fleeing and resisting. keep in mind lawful orders don't work. so explain to me how he writes a ticket if they refuse lawful orders, flee and resist.
@311Egar i dont know, maybe be a normal person and consider the fact that holding a kid down by his neck and grabbing kids by the neck and putting them in jail doesn't go above the need to feed your ego? and maybe let the dumb ass kids go? tell them to get off the side walk and give them a warning? why did the kid need to be on the ground? are you telling me a huge guy like that needed to throw the kid on the ground and put all his weight on him?
post the time stamp when anyone is being held down by their neck. they weren't placed in jail. they were taken to the station and released to their parents. they were placed under house arrest until the trial, which they lost.
"kids go"
so don't exercise his lawful duties? ignore the pleas of the pedestrians?
"...give them a warning"
they aren't listening to warnings. try again. he warned them 30 minutes ago. brindley also stated they have been warned many times in the past.
he threatend to send them to jail didn't he? so I should assume that's what he did
really a child presents danger to the police officers safety? are you kidding me? whats he gunna do beat his ass and taze him? oh wait no that's what the police can do, post the time stamp where he presents danger to brindley.
pleas of the pedestrians? what the hell are you talking about? your putting words in people's mouths
you know so little about this incident. who do you think the officer was responding too? have you listened to the audio? i mean listened, not lie about what is heard like you did when you said the officer yelled at nalls.
"post the time stamp where he presents danger to brindley"
from the beginning of the video up until he is cuffed. are you saying it's impossible for him to hit the officer or attack him in any way?
@311Egar prove he warned them, oh wait you can't, it's not in the video for all we know he made that up. brindley can state whatever he wants. He would say anything to get out of a situation like this, he could've had his badge taken away.
sounds like your redefining what happened, if they were tussling and as a result he fell to the ground, then it's still the cops throwing or slamming them to the ground. plus what constitutes tussling?... (cont.)
articles form local papers/sites officially reported he has warned them 30 minutes prior in a parkade. they had a longer video up showing them in the parkade too.
how could he have his badge taken away for lawfully enforcing the law these skaters set out to violate?
"then it's still the cops throwing or slamming them to the ground"
no slam or throw occurred. so why lie by saying it happened in the video?
you are making absurd excuses to justify unlawful actions by the skaters
@311Egar technically anyone is a threat, but their are levels of a threats and obvious threats, if a police officer or any human being can't tell the difference between a minor threat and a large threat, then he needs to take some class on common sense. why not push the children? why not have his fellow officer stand in the way? their are so many courses of action that could have been taken but because this man was so full of rage he decided not to take them.
you are now using hindsight. you watch the video a hundred times and then critique what he should have done. the fact is the officer used lawful orders which were refused. he then had to use force continuum to enforce the law these skaters chose to violate.
prove he was full of rage. he seems calm to considering he is outnumbered. the skaters certainly seem enraged. just listen to them run an scream profanities.
@311Egar I could see why they might be enraged, their friend is being tossed and pulled like an animal when they were originally having a day out celebrating what they love. but by the end we see the skaters stop resisting and give in. there were only moments when the cops was being disregarded not through out the whole video. you need to stop saying force continuum, he grabbed them by the neck and subdued them out of paranoia. not out of logical thought.
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law? yes or no
"paranoia"
are you again claiming it is impossible for an officer to be injured by someone 16? at the end of the day officers would like to go home safe. why are you against officers protecting themselves?
"were thrown. tossed, slammed"
when? you are lying again
prove the trachea was continually being squeezed shut. how does the photo show and prove a choking action?
@311Egar you using nice legal terms might hold up in court but this is reality buddy. your making excuses for a brute, i'm making excuses for kids. policemen are not good people, they arrest and detain people and sentence them to a life of discrimination due to a single incident in their life. anyone who is capable of doing that to a person does not have a good heart. or the communities best interest at heart
@311Egar prove he was full of rage? oh I don't know maybe because it was an arrest, the kids were freaking out, because he booked it after a kid? maybe because I have the ability to read basic human behavior and i'm not some cold calculating android like you who can't separate reality from technicality?
as for drop the skateboard
maybe his first response shouldn't be grab him by the neck?
stop picking out parts of my argument and attack the whole thing, nazi
lol...arresting someone for committing arrestable offenses does not mean he is full of rage. how did you come up with that absurd idea?
"because he booked it after a kid"
he fled after breaking the law. did you know officers will often chase people who flee after breaking the law? that does mean the officer is full of rage because he went after the fleeing adult.
you mean you lie about what happened to justify illegal actions.
@311Egar then tell him to drop the skateboard, I don't know what anyone has in their pockets does that give me the right to choke them if they stand to close to me? no it doesn't.
if he had reached for the gun then maybe that would have been a reasonable excuse, but I don't see that happening do you?
so as he interferes you want the officer to say drop the skateboard and empty your pockets before you interfere? lol. remember they aren't obeying lawful orders. so why would ordering him to drop the board work? you keep forgetting they refuse lawful orders.
again, prove he choked them.
the fact remains he lawfully enforced the law without injuring a single person. you can't say that about the skaters can you?
choking, fact. see how putting fact makes it seem like it's a fact? even if it might not be?
how did they fall down? they were being apprehended by a police officer through forceful measures and next we see them falling to the ground, due to the fact that they were being tossed around by the bringley we can assume the falling down was a result. because unless they stopped, said fine, and got down on all fours (which both hands would be used to do so) they...
they fell down because brindley interfered with an arrest. they got tangled, lost balance and fell over. watch the video. what happens when you interfere with an officer during an arrest? can you answer?
what would have happened if they obeyed his lawful orders? do you see how irwin didn't require force continuum? he obeyed the officer's lawful orders.
"without a real reason"
he does have a real reason. he is outnumbered by angry people refusing lawful orders etc...
@311Egar I'm done arguing with you, whenever I make a point you disagree with it by saying "you're lying" or "fact", he choked children, bottom line, hands around the neck, arms around the neck, you saw it. choking. and the fact that you won't even admit that means you're not logical, just unreasonable, when I know i'm wrong I'll admit it. But these are kids being acosted for very little reason. Hopefully you get arrested someday, and see reality. /watch?v=m3B-XzrA7S8
you mean whenever you lie or refuse facts i point it out. you would do better with debating people if you stuck with facts and stayed away from lies and exaggerations.
"he choked children"
see? you are lying again. so if i place my hand on or near a person's neck it means choking? lol
since when are 19 and 21 year-old, kids?
what would have happened if they obeyed his lawful orders? why so scared to answer? what happens when you interfere with an officer during an arrest?
@311Egar didn't you just say 16 in your last two posts? inconsistencies?
well now your just esaggerating yourself with choking, even small amounts of pressure, much less then applied in the video are choking. You're ridiculous
probably nothing would have happened. That doesn't prove there was no excessive force though. I'm not arguing they didn't break the law, I'm saying he overreacted violently.
@311Egar as far as my comment about police being bad people. then the nazis who arrested jews and put them in camps weren't bad people, because they weren't convicting, but they knew they might be sentenced to a life of pain (or death), and by doing that you become a bad person. if you cooperate with evil then you are evil yourself.
lol...you people are ridiculous. you are comparing a minor incident to a human rights issue. there is no comparison at all. were these skaters killed? were they sent to death camps?
did you just say nazis weren't convicted?
do you realize in the incident the people in the wrong are the skaters? why do you forget the rights of pedestrians. you totally ignore them
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
@311Egar you keep insisting that if someone breaks the law, they deserve whatever they are given and that their is no line to be drawn in terms of over doing the amount of force you use. Once again you are "lying", as you so elegantly put it, a ridiculous use of the word lying. Point where I said nazis weren't convicted, point to where that has anything to do with what i said. You use a lot of propaganda when you speak. You have a real future with fox news.
@311Egar If a black man breaks the law by sitting in the back of the bus. Does he deserve whatever he gets simply because he broke the law (assuming Jim Crowe laws are in affect) don't ignore it by saying why are you comparing these two? Answer the question. this is the core of my argument, the amount of force needed does not match the crime.
again you bring up a human rights issues and falsely compare it to this minor incident. the core of your argument consists of lies, exaggerations and absurd analogies. no one deserves any punishment for being a certain race. now explain how your analogy has to do with this incident?
"they deserve whatever they are given"
i never insisted or implied that at all. i am saying this is what could happen when you decide to deliberately break laws
@311Egar and I am stating that this is not the necessary amount of force when someone acts in the manner they did. I never said that this doesn't or will not happen, this happens all the time and if you want to avoid it be a good boy. But it does not make it correct. just because the courts rule in the cops favor does not mean they made a moral decision just a technical decision. You exaggerated many times as well.
@311Egar they decided to break the law, therefore they should know better. This person may not be fighting injustice by skating on the sidewalk, but were not presuming a person during the jim crowe era was doing the same, they may have just broke the law. doesn't mean it's okay to use whatever force necessary.
the courts ruled it was lawful, and the courts aren't moral authorities.
@311Egar it does not matter whether it is option or not, because they both chose to break the law, the black person could have not rode the bus or sat in the back. The forced used on him is still not necessary. It doesn't matter whether he was born black or if a skater wasn't born a skater, it still doesn't mean that a decision wasn't made on both person's parts.. (cont.)
@311Egar "the officer used the correct force necessary. if he didn't then you would have a point."
once again, a system that has proved people guilty and found them to be not guilty after thirty years said the policeman was correct in doing what he did. Not a credible source, the law is not a moral system. You believe he used the correct force necessary, obviously not everyone shares that opinion.
well here they are guilty. there won't be a change in 30 years. video proves their guilt
"not everyone shares that opinion"
i am saying he used lawful amount of force. fact
"the black person"
did he choose to be black? yes or no? you are comparing a human rights issue to skaters endangering the public. now if the law said no black skaters allowed then you would have a legit analogy
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
I don't care whether it's lawful or not, many things are lawful that are also immoral.
your completely missing the main point of that argument. Come back to it when you have the capability to understand what i mean I've tried to explain it to you twice already and you seem to dense to understand it.
no it doesn't, but that is completely beside the point and has nothing to do with the morality of the situation.
what's immoral about protecting pedestrians? what immoral about arresting people who deliberately commit arrestable offenses? the officer did his job and he did so without injuring a single person. can't say the same for the skaters. you are the one missing the point. if the law stated blacks cannot skate on the sidewalk then you would have a legit analogy.
"has nothing to do with the morality of the situation"
isn't it immoral to deliberately break the law in order to have fun
@311Egar that's to assume the predestrians were in danger. bJust because the law says they were in danger, doesn't mean the skaters may have been doing anything in the first place to endanger them, right here is my point, just because something is an arrestable offense doesn't mean it's immoral, it's just an arrestable offense, morality is a completely separate thing. Who did the skaters injure exactly? Define an injury.
@311Egar drunk driving involves being impaired, the skaters aren't impaired and have the ability to maneuver their skateboards. huge difference
no deliberately setting out to break the law is not immoral, deliberately setting out to hurt someone is immoral. Once again, the pedestrians may or may not have been endangered, we don't know if they were or not.
what were his injuries?
don't you think the skaters may have sustained mental or physical injuries?
@311Egar the law stated in jim crowe that blacks could not sit in the front
the law states skaters can skate on the street
both of them allowed leeway in some place
see the similarities? The law does not have moral status in society, merely protective purposes based on the paranoia of the population in which case it will hire thugs to enforce their paranoia. I'm not arguing that they should skate on the side walk, i'm arguing whatever means necessary is over the top. and immoral
"law stated in jim crowe that blacks could not sit in the front. the law states skaters can skate on the street"
how is this going over your head? you can stop skating. you can't stop being a certain race. skating isn't a human rights issue. also, sitting on a bus isn't endangering other people. one is being stopped for endangerment while the other is being stopped for being born a particular race.
you have a very bigoted view of law enforcement. that hurts your argument
@311Egar he's not being stopped for being a particular race. he's being stopped for at the time the belief that blacks carried different diseases, so we must assume at the time this was widely believed to be true. So he is being stopped for endangerment of the general populace. Same as the skater
I neevr said human rights, I said the rationalization of whatever means necessary to arrest does not apply to everything.
but being a certain race is not an endangerment. fact. skating on a boardwalk which receives high foot traffic is an endangerment to pedestrians.
"no deliberately setting out to break the law is not immoral"
immoral - violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
setting out to break the law is not moral in this situation.
@311Egar that was my last post, i'm tired of arguing with you, we have made no progression throughout the whole argument and we can each give a reason for that and I know that you will assume that only you are correct and their is no possibility of you having any oversight because your some sort of youtube warrior of just. you can respond if you'd like, but all in all, please. fuck off.
311Egar isnt interested in discussion, hes just here to berate people for looking at the whole picture
he just wants to keep you from looking closer at the facts becasue then you will discover that the community supported the skaters & the Internal Affairs board reprimanded him for violating procedures
the anti skate law he supports is based on prejudice anyway, the injury rate from collisions with skaters is insignificant compared with many other accepted activities
see how upset you have become just because the facts do not agree with your bigoted views? next time when you debate someone try to remain calm and keep from lying and exaggerating.
so how do you know for sure a drunk driver is endangering someone? because there is a risk of danger, right? just like these skaters going down the boardwalk.
i am right about the use of the term immoral. i gave you the definition.
do you see how he even taunts you when you say its your last post? hes been doing that here for years... he calls it 'running away' or 'admit defeat' when people finally realize they are talking to a brick and go about their lives
i wonder how many more times youtube will have to suspend his accounts before he realizes that harassing random people incessantly for posting their opinions isnt wanted
@311Egar what I think of police officers shows what I believe on an opinionated level, it doesn't deter my argument because I'm not arguing police are evil, I'm arguing they have no moral statue when they enforce the law, the only thing their doing is lawful
but lawful does not mean moral. therefore we cannot assume that anything lawfully done is moral.
rivieri was in the wrong. did you actually think i would side with rivieri just because he was an officer? i use logic/fact, not bias, ignorance and exaggerations.
@311Egar "originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law? yes or no?"
a black man riding the bus during the jim crowe era, does that require breaking the law? yes or no?
"exaggerated many times as well"
where?
"again you bring up a human rights issues and falsely compare it to this minor incident. the core of your argument consists of lies, exaggerations and absurd analogies."
no in that era it does not, they can sit in the back.
depends on the city, in some cities like san francisco it's illegal to skate in the whole entire city. But that's beside the point in fact I already answered this. and it doesn't matter whether he did or not, you keep avoiding what i'm arguing to try and get to me to admit they broke the law. which actually has nothing to do with my argument. because I already admitted they did
@311Egar it's not absurd, i'm showing that regardless of the law the only thing that makes this correct to you is your obsession with the idea that morality and law seem to be the same since you keep repeating yourself and avoiding my points. in which case you actually aren't progressing the argument. meaning you lose. talk to me about the morality of the situation.
is it moral to endanger pedestrians and deliberately break the law?
i am not trying to get you to admit they broke the law. that fact has already been stated. i am trying to get you to understand there is a difference between a human rights issue and some skaters breaking multiple laws.
in this incident the skaters are the immoral party
"don't you think the skaters may have sustained mental or physical injuries"
not according to mccormack who stated it on youtube comments
@311Egar setting out and doing are two completely different things. But that is still beside the point because riding on the sidewalk is never "always" endangerment. We can't know or see the exact situation so we can only assume they broke the law, not endangered another human being.
that was not a lie, it was what I saw when I saw the kid being thrown down at the end of the video, I re watched it and re considered. I twas wrong about the body slam. you're wrong about immoral.
if everyone is a threat then he has a right to do this to anyone who he deems to close. he has no real reason, he doesn't know what's going through this kids head. and his safety isn't number one, it's the safety of the community "to protect and serve" if he has the right to choke hold anyone he feels threatened by without a real reason besides paranoia, he can choke hold the whole city if he feels like it.
never mind 311TROLL, hes just a born loser who thinks hes discovered a new way of killing time at his crappy job watching little TVs in a mall
the group was NOT warned, 1 skater who later joined the group received a warning at some other location. 311 loves to pile on the evidence from later occurrences & misrepresent facts to push his Hate based bias
"slamming them to the ground"
theres a clear description of the 13yr old being tackled from behind unaware
@311Egar i think tussling is when both people are hurting each other and one isn't in control, but the policemen was in perfect control, he's much larger and more powerful then these children
ever take a wrestling class? even try to subdue a person who doesn't want to be subdued? being larger and more powerful does not mean the other person is not a threat.
"really a child presents danger to the police officers safety?"
are you actually claiming a 16 year-old cannot harm and adult? he has a board i his hand. skater have used boards as weapons. are you in full knowledge of the contents of the skater's pockets? he is also within reaching distant of the officer's gun too
@311Egar when someone drops to the ground with out using both hands to catch themselves it's not voluntary, human beings will put out both hands unless one has been grabbed. you don't need someone on the ground to arrest them. and the natural reaction to being grabbed by the neck and choked is to struggle at first, notice how they give in after a couple seconds?
they were both tussling and fell to the ground accidentally. a slam would mean the officer deliberately picked him up and accelerated his body into the ground. also, it's irrelevant because brindley interfered with the officer's arrest. the officer cannot read his mind. brindley was clearly upset screaming profanities. he presents a danger to the officer's safety.
never mind 311Egar, he is just the local TROLL who has been harassing randoms on this video for OVER FOUR YEARS
the guy is a nutjob shill for the police state who really just wants everyone to accept force used on 13 yr old kids for stuff as trivial as a 25$ city ordinance
the community did & still does back the skaters on this one
notice how he lists all the [supposed] charges to justify the 13yr old getting taken down physically from behind when unaware?
@311Egar But they still have the right to skate there, right? Usually in this situation the only people who have a problem with it are the cops themselves. This kind of just looks like age descrimination to me.
no, they do not have the right to skate there. it's against the city's law. they admitted to being warned. they were also warned 30 minutes earlier by the same officer.
age discrimination? so if they were 30 and over he would let them break the law and the pedestrians would not have been upset?
@311Egar I never said if they were adults nothing would happen. I don't know where you got that. But I guarantee you things would have certainly gone a lot smoother if they hadn't been teenage punks. The cops wouldn't have gotten crazy, but also none of the skaters would have run away, MAYBE. I see stuff like this all the time in Denver, so i'm mostly basing it off opinion. Don't get so defensive, geez.
it's a fact the officer didn't break any laws. all he did was lawfully enforce laws these people deliberately chose to violate. in other words, he was doing his job.
he was never fired. where do you people get this crap...lol? officer joey williams was placed on a temporary suspension with pay during the investigation. after the investigation showed he was innocent and performed his duties lawfully he was reinstated.
there is no video stating he was fired. you do know this went to court don't you? guess how lost?
@311Egar oh yeah wrong cop assaulting skater video lol. well still what he done was just wrong but i guess its just him taking out his anger on kids because he was bullied when he was a kid for being fat and retarded..oh well
nothing wrong with lawfully enforcing laws people have chosen to violate. it's a good thing the officer didn't have the short temper some of these skaters had
@311Egar well you know the stupid youth we have to deal with now they make up all sorts of crap just because they were in the wrong and they lost so they have to make crap up to slander the cop that was only doing his job i think the police officer should take what ever cornholer that said that crap and should sue him for slander and as far as these kids go just a bunch of punks and parasites the future of this fine country witch i fought for wont be worth crap when these parasites become adults
@311egar look I've heard of policemen getting sued for yelling at children and even you know those kids didn't deserve that. And No skateboarding is not a crime unless done on private property and even then you can't get chocked or even touched by a policemen unless the suspect attempts to run but the policemen were harassing them before that that's POLICE BRUTALITY (Skateboarding is not a crime)
i fucking lost it when they zoomed in one the skateboarder just easily outrunning the police officer XD. and the guy who was handcuffed, you should have just left, all of you, and gotten some bolt cutters and just chopped them off, or picked the lock, or something! xD
guess what? the one who fled was caught and had fleeing added to the charges. what a completely stupid move to do. he's lucky the court cut him a break and decided to fine and do community service instead of putting it on his permanent record.
"just chopped them off"
that would be a very dumb move too. then you would have damaging police property on the list of charges.
@311Egar what im saying is, they all had an opportunity to leave, they could have done it except others stayed behind and were obviously forced to rat them out
fuck cops of america i swear they have nothing better to do ive seen so many cops get way out of line just because they were picked on in school take ur drama else where dam cops go bust murderers or sumthing
simmy, so what you are saying is if this officer decided not to enforce the law here then he would have seen a pedophile somewhere in the city from where he was standing?
how about this, don't break the law and you won't have to interact with the police. it's a simple concept.
i wasnt there BUT .. you cant pick your ass in public...sounds stupid but the law is the law and being a smart ass dont help at all and they asked for it
@drcutya96 When was I ever talking crap? In all honesty, you're talking about taking on a guy with pepper spray and a taser and judging by the 96 you're only a high school student. Cops do shit like this all the time, you think they're afraid of some kid in high school?
@drcutya96 Cops are highly trained regardless. The moment you attack him, you'll either get a face full of mace (no pun intended) or tazed. According to your profile, you're in high school.
@SargentMugen Age has no effect on my fighting skills. Point being, the cop was in the wrong, and I would have hit him in self defense, then ran. He's not even big. Lol. Whatever dude.
@311Egar LOL FOR WHAT? Fat boy overreacted because he didn't stop skating down a sidewalk. Dumb ass cop needs to leave skaters alone, and do something productive.
did the skaters break the law? you forgot to answer.
"We could snort coke, or skateboard"
so that's the only alternative skaters have instead of skating in areas prohibited by law. are all skaters that weak-minded?
you certainly are hurt over the facts. why? it's a good thing the officer didn't have your irrational behavior. if he did the skaters might have been shot.
why are you claiming skaters are allowed to break the law while other citizens have to abide by them?
how can i be 40 back when i was a teenager? you do know what teenager means don't you?
"Cops hassle skaters for skating on sidewalks"
if there is a law against it they do. why do skaters whine about it?
"I'd love to know how it was a pre-meditated stunt"
hmmm...let's they made a conscious choice to defy a law they have been repeatedly warned about. they admitted they knew they shouldn't have been there.
they get arrested for it don't they? are they whining about how it's unfair they can't murder people? you forgot to answer.
"You guys say we "destroy property"
i do? i say skaters often whine they are stopped by officers for breaking the law. this law was created for pedestrian safety. something i am sure you do not care about. just as you admitted you don't care for the property of others
so the only alternative to not taking drugs is to break other laws?
@311Egar WTF are you talking about he was riding a skateboard. Last time i check riding a skateboard is NOT a crime. Then he dicided to arrest a Girl that look to me about 13-14 years of age for no reason exept saying something rude to the officer, Which is something called Freedom of speech. I have nothing against Officers laying down the law like their suppose too. But skateboarding isnt something you should be arrested or given a fine for. I'am srry but i strongy disagree with you.
it's more like they were in for fleeing, refusing lawful orders, obstruction, interfering with a lawful arrest, disorderly conduct and battery. see how facts help out?
you guys are pussies i would of truck fucked his ass
ace42986 2 days ago
a true friend would put a truck in the back of that cops head.
steazemonster 5 days ago
God I love seeing stupid, arrogant skateboarders get their ass kicked by the cops. They have no respect for rules, or the rights of others. I have been run down, cursed, and injured by stupid teens on skateboards too many times. So, lord yes, Mr. Officer, fire 'em up!
ellisfseawell 3 weeks ago
Props to the cop. Stop acting so shocked that they got arrested, that tends to happen after you break the law AFTER being warned already. I never understood why skaters think the whole world is against them, when they're the ones breaking the law. Then people berate the cop for having a shitty job when most of those skaters probably won't even make it past college. Especially with their smart ass attitude and criminal records. Just sayin, think for once.
strikerz53 1 month ago 7
that cop is a fucking fat ass fag who is arresting kids for riding skateboards?
whaat a flugging fag
govreno911 1 month ago
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just another cop acting tough cause he has a badge lmao dont quit ur day job cua thats the only thing working for you homie
50guerra 2 months ago
just another cop acting tough cause he has a badge lmao dont quit ur day job cua thats the only thing working for you homie
50guerra 2 months ago
that is true when cops say stop and you take of you are evading and when you dont listen to the officer or dont do what they tell you it could be counted as resisting arrest
SMSOakwoodGa 3 months ago
"You're under arrest too!" wow really...
WafflezDay 4 months ago
i would hit him with my board then just boot-er the fuck out of there.
Cjccproductions 4 months ago
The fat cop trying to scare kids with bullshit charges, Oh no I can only be president with a record like this.
12pope 4 months ago
the charges were legit. why do you people look to find blame in others? it's not the officer's fault the skaters chose to break multiple laws.
311Egar 4 months ago 2
@311Egar
Use of force was suitable for the level of armed robbery or assault, not skateboarding for lords sake.
Amiskone 4 months ago
let's see he placed cuffs on him. how horrible. the use of force was appropriate. the officer first used lawful commands which were refused. the person fled and physically resisted arrest. the officer is allowed to use force to subdue a resisting arrestee. it's amazing the weak excuses you guys come up with for these troublemakers.
if it was armed robbery the officer would have pulled out his gun
311Egar 4 months ago 2
@311Egar you see the world in black and white. if the law is unjust, why not resist?
equallyeasilyfuqyou 4 months ago
the law wasn't unjust is this incident. they received warnings many times, but still ignored them.
how is a law protecting pedestrians unjust?
311Egar 4 months ago 2
@311Egar It was an official skate day or something, so it's obviously legal. Skateboarding rarely harms people on the street anyway and most skating teens are respectful of boundaries. This is just over the line.
WafflezDay 4 months ago
being go skate day is completely irrelevant to the laws they chose to break. where you people get this absurd idea that go skate day supersedes laws?
they weren't skating on the street.
311Egar 4 months ago 6
@311Egar technicalities are fun when they allow you to beat up children huh?
Gearsturfs 2 weeks ago
more lies from the supporters of criminals. post the time stamp when the officer is seen beating anyone.
311Egar 2 weeks ago
@Gearsturfs
never mind 311NAZI, hes just the local TROLL whos been harassing people over this video for about FOUR YEARS. the guy is a nutjob shill for the police state notice how he will whine about the definition of 'beat'
hes just mad becasue there is a steady stream of citizens posting the view that the fat cop went overboard in using that level of force considering each kid he touches in the video is 16 or 13 & it was over a 25$ city ordinance fine
pls dont feed the TROLL
Reggieworth 2 weeks ago
sorry about my stalker, reggieworth, interrupting us. he stalks me to every video i post on for the last 4+ years.
i see you couldn't post the time stamp on your claim about the officer beating up children
311Egar 2 weeks ago
@311Egar I suppose the kid just got face down on the ground by himself when the officer said please stop
Gearsturfs 2 weeks ago
@311Egar plus now your getting into semantics, your trying to prove that harrassing and handcuffing teenagers for a 25 dollar fine is necessary force. if this was necessary it wouldn't have even been detested. their would not be an obvious public outcry, this is what you do to a violent criminal not a dumb ass kid
Gearsturfs 2 weeks ago
"handcuffing teenagers for a 25 dollar fine"
fleeing, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct, battery, interfering with an officer and obstruction of justice is a $25 fine?
"obvious public outcry"
outcry from ignorant and/or gullible people. the community backed the officer and did the witnesses.
"on the ground by himself"
according to the officer's report, which witnesses corroborated, graham resisted arrest.
311Egar 2 weeks ago
@311Egar I didn't see any of the following in the video, I saw a kid laying on the ground.and getting hundcuffed
the community didn't, the courts did, and maybe several people, a community didn't back him, a few people did, that is not a community
resisted arrest is a shaky word, if you jerk slightly a cop may throw you on the ground it happens all the time, cops can claim resisting arrest without any resist at all it's one of the shakiest charges in the books.
Gearsturfs 2 weeks ago
"I saw a kid laying on the ground.and getting hundcuffed"
so you assume he did nothing wrong to get in that position?
it's clear the female resisted arrest and fled. did you notice the skater who obeyed his lawful orders did not require force continuum? seems to me if graham did the same he wouldn't have been on the ground nor would he have received the charges of fleeing and resisting arrest.
it involves more than the skate/bicycle law on sidewalks.
311Egar 2 weeks ago
@311Egar I assume he resisted arrest, as put into the report by the police, but resisting arrest once again is many things. I don't know this man but if I see him screaming and chasing after a child for being on a sidewalk I'm going to assume he has anger issues, therefore making it more likely for him to overreact to a kid being a kid. slamming someone on the ground is for when your in danger. not for giving a ticket to a kid.
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
post the time stamp when the officer is heard screaming and chasing a kid for being on a sidewalk.
"I'm going to assume he has anger issues"
why? he wasn't screaming. he gave lawful orders. he even warned them 30 minutes prior at a parkade.
"slamming someone on the ground"
post the time stamp when the officer slams anyone on the ground.
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar also I noticed the skater who obeyed his order was not in direct contact with him. this man may have grabbed and scared the child all I know is that i see him screaming and slamming the child onto the ground. You keep talking as if this kid is dangerous, are you fucking kidding me?
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
"who obeyed his order was not in direct contact with him"
see how obeying lawful orders works? if they all obeyed his lawful orders then force continuum would not have been needed
"this man may have grabbed and scared the child"
that would be your opinion and it's also irrelevant. he/she was given lawful orders.
"You keep talking as if this kid is dangerous"
where?
you exaggerate a lot.
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar force continuum is once again a loose word, plus, that implies if anyone disobeys any amount of force can be used, and therefore the force used is somehow never out of place or unnecessary. Force may have been needed on some level to stop the child from running, but the amount used could have caused harm to him. And considering the level of the crime causing harm to a child over this is immoral. that is assuming because he is a man of the law his actions are never over the top as long..
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
it doesn't imply any amount of force can be used. he gave lawful orders. tell me, how does an officer perform his duties when lawful orders are refused? what amount of force was used that could have caused him harm? no a single skater was injured. the only person injured was a 67 year-old man who mccormack(21) committed battery against.
"tackling a child for resisting a ticket"
who was tackled for resisting a ticket?
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar ithe only thing you seem to be interested in is proving that because he followed technical orders he somehow didn't do something wrong today. I think the kids could have behaved better, but choking and reacting this harshly is ridiculous
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
his job is to lawfully enforce the law, which he in fact did. the skaters chose to deliberately break the law. no skaters were injured. no one was choked or slammed as you have claimed.
"don't slam him on the ground and choke him"
you are lying again. post the time stamp proving the officer slammed and choked graham. your repeated lies prove you cannot accept facts.
it's also why you fail to acknowledge the only person injured was a result of the oldest(21) skater
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar as they follow the law. To assume that any amount of force to subdue someone is the correct amount of force is insane. Force continuum doesn't have levels of necessity, so that way the police can get away with tackling a child for resisting a ticket. If the child had gotten in a fight or was violently drunk this would have been necessary.
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
@311Egar disobeying orders gives him the ability to hurt the child to subdue him, not the moral right, nor does it deem the level of force more or less than necessary.
as for the time stamp when he is screaming and chasing the kid 0:58
2:00 he slams a kid on the ground
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
it doesn't give him the ability to hurt anyone. where do you get this from? your disagreement with the level of force used is your own opinion, not fact.
i hear no screaming at :58 from the officer. i do see him chasing nalls who refused his lawful orders and then fled. he never screamed at nalls
at 2:00 he is cuffing brindley for interfering with a lawful arrest. i don't see any body slam. unless you are referring to when they both simultaneously went to the ground.
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar there are certain things that are obvious when seen, when you see this, you might think, oh child was resisting, he needs to be taken down and choked on the ground, when I see this I think, grab the kid and ticket him, don't slam him on the ground and choke him. I'm going to assume that most people would agree with this.
it doesn't prove me right but it proves you have little sympathy for human beings and the difference between right and wrong.
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
"grab the kid and ticket him"
then explain how that is done when the skater is fleeing and resisting. keep in mind lawful orders don't work. so explain to me how he writes a ticket if they refuse lawful orders, flee and resist.
please, no more lies about body slams.
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar i dont know, maybe be a normal person and consider the fact that holding a kid down by his neck and grabbing kids by the neck and putting them in jail doesn't go above the need to feed your ego? and maybe let the dumb ass kids go? tell them to get off the side walk and give them a warning? why did the kid need to be on the ground? are you telling me a huge guy like that needed to throw the kid on the ground and put all his weight on him?
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
post the time stamp when anyone is being held down by their neck. they weren't placed in jail. they were taken to the station and released to their parents. they were placed under house arrest until the trial, which they lost.
"kids go"
so don't exercise his lawful duties? ignore the pleas of the pedestrians?
"...give them a warning"
they aren't listening to warnings. try again. he warned them 30 minutes ago. brindley also stated they have been warned many times in the past.
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar 0:05
he threatend to send them to jail didn't he? so I should assume that's what he did
really a child presents danger to the police officers safety? are you kidding me? whats he gunna do beat his ass and taze him? oh wait no that's what the police can do, post the time stamp where he presents danger to brindley.
pleas of the pedestrians? what the hell are you talking about? your putting words in people's mouths
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
"your putting words in people's mouths"
you know so little about this incident. who do you think the officer was responding too? have you listened to the audio? i mean listened, not lie about what is heard like you did when you said the officer yelled at nalls.
"post the time stamp where he presents danger to brindley"
from the beginning of the video up until he is cuffed. are you saying it's impossible for him to hit the officer or attack him in any way?
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar I think he was responding to his own need to empower himself. big muscles and an anger problem probably helped this situation out a lot
when an officer chases someone generally they yell at them to stop. why the fuck does that matter?
that's your opinion and your entitled to it, I see the policeman presenting danger to the kids.
It's possible for anyone to hit anyone at any time, doesn't mean it's rational to beat them just because you're nervous
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
@311Egar prove he warned them, oh wait you can't, it's not in the video for all we know he made that up. brindley can state whatever he wants. He would say anything to get out of a situation like this, he could've had his badge taken away.
sounds like your redefining what happened, if they were tussling and as a result he fell to the ground, then it's still the cops throwing or slamming them to the ground. plus what constitutes tussling?... (cont.)
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
articles form local papers/sites officially reported he has warned them 30 minutes prior in a parkade. they had a longer video up showing them in the parkade too.
how could he have his badge taken away for lawfully enforcing the law these skaters set out to violate?
"then it's still the cops throwing or slamming them to the ground"
no slam or throw occurred. so why lie by saying it happened in the video?
you are making absurd excuses to justify unlawful actions by the skaters
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar i explained to you why a throw or slam occured, you can choose to disbelieve obvious clues if you wish.
link me to the video of the parkade
he could have his badge taken away because footage was shown of him choking a child. police get in trouble for excessive force constantly
you are making absurd excuses to justify choking children in an attempt 2 subdue them
yes because it seemed to be such a problem in the video him holding two of them by the neck with back up behind him
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
what you used to explain was wrong. two people falling down together is not a throw or body slam. fact.
"link me to the video of the parkade"
did you read what i wrote? where i said, "they had..".
"choking children"
prove their tracheas were continuously being squeezed shut. you are lying again to protect criminals.
"technically anyone is a threat"
but you imply he isn't a threat. a threat to the officer's safety is still a threat no matter the size. fact
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar technically anyone is a threat, but their are levels of a threats and obvious threats, if a police officer or any human being can't tell the difference between a minor threat and a large threat, then he needs to take some class on common sense. why not push the children? why not have his fellow officer stand in the way? their are so many courses of action that could have been taken but because this man was so full of rage he decided not to take them.
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
you are now using hindsight. you watch the video a hundred times and then critique what he should have done. the fact is the officer used lawful orders which were refused. he then had to use force continuum to enforce the law these skaters chose to violate.
prove he was full of rage. he seems calm to considering he is outnumbered. the skaters certainly seem enraged. just listen to them run an scream profanities.
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar I could see why they might be enraged, their friend is being tossed and pulled like an animal when they were originally having a day out celebrating what they love. but by the end we see the skaters stop resisting and give in. there were only moments when the cops was being disregarded not through out the whole video. you need to stop saying force continuum, he grabbed them by the neck and subdued them out of paranoia. not out of logical thought.
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law? yes or no
"paranoia"
are you again claiming it is impossible for an officer to be injured by someone 16? at the end of the day officers would like to go home safe. why are you against officers protecting themselves?
"were thrown. tossed, slammed"
when? you are lying again
prove the trachea was continually being squeezed shut. how does the photo show and prove a choking action?
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar you using nice legal terms might hold up in court but this is reality buddy. your making excuses for a brute, i'm making excuses for kids. policemen are not good people, they arrest and detain people and sentence them to a life of discrimination due to a single incident in their life. anyone who is capable of doing that to a person does not have a good heart. or the communities best interest at heart
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
that's right it's reality. in this real world it is a fact the officer lawfully enforced laws these skaters chose to break.
"your making excuses for a brute"
i am just informing you of the facts. i could lie like you do. would that be better?
"policemen are not good people"
police are not good people because they enforce laws? the police do not sentence anyone.
so you are saying we shouldn't have police officers?
311Egar 1 week ago 2
@311Egar prove he was full of rage? oh I don't know maybe because it was an arrest, the kids were freaking out, because he booked it after a kid? maybe because I have the ability to read basic human behavior and i'm not some cold calculating android like you who can't separate reality from technicality?
as for drop the skateboard
maybe his first response shouldn't be grab him by the neck?
stop picking out parts of my argument and attack the whole thing, nazi
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
"oh I don't know maybe because it was an arrest"
lol...arresting someone for committing arrestable offenses does not mean he is full of rage. how did you come up with that absurd idea?
"because he booked it after a kid"
he fled after breaking the law. did you know officers will often chase people who flee after breaking the law? that does mean the officer is full of rage because he went after the fleeing adult.
you mean you lie about what happened to justify illegal actions.
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar then tell him to drop the skateboard, I don't know what anyone has in their pockets does that give me the right to choke them if they stand to close to me? no it doesn't.
if he had reached for the gun then maybe that would have been a reasonable excuse, but I don't see that happening do you?
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
"drop the skateboard"
so as he interferes you want the officer to say drop the skateboard and empty your pockets before you interfere? lol. remember they aren't obeying lawful orders. so why would ordering him to drop the board work? you keep forgetting they refuse lawful orders.
again, prove he choked them.
the fact remains he lawfully enforced the law without injuring a single person. you can't say that about the skaters can you?
what would have happened if they obeyed him?
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar 0:08 1:45
choking, fact. see how putting fact makes it seem like it's a fact? even if it might not be?
how did they fall down? they were being apprehended by a police officer through forceful measures and next we see them falling to the ground, due to the fact that they were being tossed around by the bringley we can assume the falling down was a result. because unless they stopped, said fine, and got down on all fours (which both hands would be used to do so) they...
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
they fell down because brindley interfered with an arrest. they got tangled, lost balance and fell over. watch the video. what happens when you interfere with an officer during an arrest? can you answer?
what would have happened if they obeyed his lawful orders? do you see how irwin didn't require force continuum? he obeyed the officer's lawful orders.
"without a real reason"
he does have a real reason. he is outnumbered by angry people refusing lawful orders etc...
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar I'm done arguing with you, whenever I make a point you disagree with it by saying "you're lying" or "fact", he choked children, bottom line, hands around the neck, arms around the neck, you saw it. choking. and the fact that you won't even admit that means you're not logical, just unreasonable, when I know i'm wrong I'll admit it. But these are kids being acosted for very little reason. Hopefully you get arrested someday, and see reality. /watch?v=m3B-XzrA7S8
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
you mean whenever you lie or refuse facts i point it out. you would do better with debating people if you stuck with facts and stayed away from lies and exaggerations.
"he choked children"
see? you are lying again. so if i place my hand on or near a person's neck it means choking? lol
since when are 19 and 21 year-old, kids?
what would have happened if they obeyed his lawful orders? why so scared to answer? what happens when you interfere with an officer during an arrest?
311Egar 1 week ago 3
@311Egar didn't you just say 16 in your last two posts? inconsistencies?
well now your just esaggerating yourself with choking, even small amounts of pressure, much less then applied in the video are choking. You're ridiculous
probably nothing would have happened. That doesn't prove there was no excessive force though. I'm not arguing they didn't break the law, I'm saying he overreacted violently.
Gearsturfs 5 days ago
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"didn't you just say 16 in your last two posts"
there are more than two skaters involved. their ages range from 13 to 21. understand now : )
"I'm saying he overreacted violently"
as i have stated before, that's your opinion. one that is based on lies and exaggerations
"where I said nazis weren't convicted"
i asked because your statement didn't make sense
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law? yes or no
311Egar 5 days ago
glad i could help you understand the facts of the incident
311Egar 5 days ago
@311Egar glad you could convince yourself that police never commit crimes.
Gearsturfs 5 days ago
@311Egar as far as my comment about police being bad people. then the nazis who arrested jews and put them in camps weren't bad people, because they weren't convicting, but they knew they might be sentenced to a life of pain (or death), and by doing that you become a bad person. if you cooperate with evil then you are evil yourself.
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
lol...you people are ridiculous. you are comparing a minor incident to a human rights issue. there is no comparison at all. were these skaters killed? were they sent to death camps?
did you just say nazis weren't convicted?
do you realize in the incident the people in the wrong are the skaters? why do you forget the rights of pedestrians. you totally ignore them
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law? yes or no
311Egar 1 week ago 3
@311Egar you keep insisting that if someone breaks the law, they deserve whatever they are given and that their is no line to be drawn in terms of over doing the amount of force you use. Once again you are "lying", as you so elegantly put it, a ridiculous use of the word lying. Point where I said nazis weren't convicted, point to where that has anything to do with what i said. You use a lot of propaganda when you speak. You have a real future with fox news.
Gearsturfs 5 days ago
@311Egar If a black man breaks the law by sitting in the back of the bus. Does he deserve whatever he gets simply because he broke the law (assuming Jim Crowe laws are in affect) don't ignore it by saying why are you comparing these two? Answer the question. this is the core of my argument, the amount of force needed does not match the crime.
Gearsturfs 5 days ago
again you bring up a human rights issues and falsely compare it to this minor incident. the core of your argument consists of lies, exaggerations and absurd analogies. no one deserves any punishment for being a certain race. now explain how your analogy has to do with this incident?
"they deserve whatever they are given"
i never insisted or implied that at all. i am saying this is what could happen when you decide to deliberately break laws
311Egar 5 days ago
@311Egar and I am stating that this is not the necessary amount of force when someone acts in the manner they did. I never said that this doesn't or will not happen, this happens all the time and if you want to avoid it be a good boy. But it does not make it correct. just because the courts rule in the cops favor does not mean they made a moral decision just a technical decision. You exaggerated many times as well.
Gearsturfs 4 days ago
@311Egar you really don't see how my analogy fits in with this? are you incapable of logic?
if person breaks the law, do they deserve any amount of force decided simply because they broke the law?
Gearsturfs 4 days ago
explain how a human rights issue fits into this minor incident.
"do they deserve any amount of force decided simply because they broke the law?"
that was already answered. the force used must be lawful, as is the case here.
"I am stating that this is not the necessary amount of force when someone acts in the manner they did"
your opinion. so then how does an officer enforce the law when the person refuses lawful orders, physically resists and flees?
311Egar 4 days ago
@311Egar they decided to break the law, therefore they should know better. This person may not be fighting injustice by skating on the sidewalk, but were not presuming a person during the jim crowe era was doing the same, they may have just broke the law. doesn't mean it's okay to use whatever force necessary.
the courts ruled it was lawful, and the courts aren't moral authorities.
grabs him by the body, not the neck.
Gearsturfs 4 days ago
a person can't decide on their race. you aren't born a skater or bicyclist, but you are born a certain race.
the officer used the correct force necessary. if he didn't then you would have a point.
you do realize the skaters represent the immoral party in this incident?
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law? yes or no?
"exaggerated many times as well"
where?
311Egar 3 days ago
@311Egar it does not matter whether it is option or not, because they both chose to break the law, the black person could have not rode the bus or sat in the back. The forced used on him is still not necessary. It doesn't matter whether he was born black or if a skater wasn't born a skater, it still doesn't mean that a decision wasn't made on both person's parts.. (cont.)
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
@311Egar "the officer used the correct force necessary. if he didn't then you would have a point."
once again, a system that has proved people guilty and found them to be not guilty after thirty years said the policeman was correct in doing what he did. Not a credible source, the law is not a moral system. You believe he used the correct force necessary, obviously not everyone shares that opinion.
(cont.)
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
well here they are guilty. there won't be a change in 30 years. video proves their guilt
"not everyone shares that opinion"
i am saying he used lawful amount of force. fact
"the black person"
did he choose to be black? yes or no? you are comparing a human rights issue to skaters endangering the public. now if the law said no black skaters allowed then you would have a legit analogy
"originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law?
311Egar 2 days ago
@311Egar video shows many things
I don't care whether it's lawful or not, many things are lawful that are also immoral.
your completely missing the main point of that argument. Come back to it when you have the capability to understand what i mean I've tried to explain it to you twice already and you seem to dense to understand it.
no it doesn't, but that is completely beside the point and has nothing to do with the morality of the situation.
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
what's immoral about protecting pedestrians? what immoral about arresting people who deliberately commit arrestable offenses? the officer did his job and he did so without injuring a single person. can't say the same for the skaters. you are the one missing the point. if the law stated blacks cannot skate on the sidewalk then you would have a legit analogy.
"has nothing to do with the morality of the situation"
isn't it immoral to deliberately break the law in order to have fun
311Egar 2 days ago
@311Egar that's to assume the predestrians were in danger. bJust because the law says they were in danger, doesn't mean the skaters may have been doing anything in the first place to endanger them, right here is my point, just because something is an arrestable offense doesn't mean it's immoral, it's just an arrestable offense, morality is a completely separate thing. Who did the skaters injure exactly? Define an injury.
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
"Just because the law says they were in danger, doesn't mean the skaters may have been doing anything in the first place to endanger them"
then the same goes for drunk driving, right?
so endangering pedestrians isn't immoral? deliberately setting out to break the law isn't immoral?
"Who did the skaters injure exactly?"
67 year-old kenneth billingsley. mccormack(21) committed battery against him
"Define an injury"
injury - harm or damage that is done or sustained.
311Egar 2 days ago
@311Egar drunk driving involves being impaired, the skaters aren't impaired and have the ability to maneuver their skateboards. huge difference
no deliberately setting out to break the law is not immoral, deliberately setting out to hurt someone is immoral. Once again, the pedestrians may or may not have been endangered, we don't know if they were or not.
what were his injuries?
don't you think the skaters may have sustained mental or physical injuries?
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
@311Egar the law stated in jim crowe that blacks could not sit in the front
the law states skaters can skate on the street
both of them allowed leeway in some place
see the similarities? The law does not have moral status in society, merely protective purposes based on the paranoia of the population in which case it will hire thugs to enforce their paranoia. I'm not arguing that they should skate on the side walk, i'm arguing whatever means necessary is over the top. and immoral
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
"law stated in jim crowe that blacks could not sit in the front. the law states skaters can skate on the street"
how is this going over your head? you can stop skating. you can't stop being a certain race. skating isn't a human rights issue. also, sitting on a bus isn't endangering other people. one is being stopped for endangerment while the other is being stopped for being born a particular race.
you have a very bigoted view of law enforcement. that hurts your argument
311Egar 2 days ago
@311Egar he's not being stopped for being a particular race. he's being stopped for at the time the belief that blacks carried different diseases, so we must assume at the time this was widely believed to be true. So he is being stopped for endangerment of the general populace. Same as the skater
I neevr said human rights, I said the rationalization of whatever means necessary to arrest does not apply to everything.
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
but being a certain race is not an endangerment. fact. skating on a boardwalk which receives high foot traffic is an endangerment to pedestrians.
"no deliberately setting out to break the law is not immoral"
immoral - violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
setting out to break the law is not moral in this situation.
remember your body slam lie?
311Egar 1 day ago
@311Egar that was my last post, i'm tired of arguing with you, we have made no progression throughout the whole argument and we can each give a reason for that and I know that you will assume that only you are correct and their is no possibility of you having any oversight because your some sort of youtube warrior of just. you can respond if you'd like, but all in all, please. fuck off.
Gearsturfs 1 day ago
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didnt i say
311Egar isnt interested in discussion, hes just here to berate people for looking at the whole picture
he just wants to keep you from looking closer at the facts becasue then you will discover that the community supported the skaters & the Internal Affairs board reprimanded him for violating procedures
the anti skate law he supports is based on prejudice anyway, the injury rate from collisions with skaters is insignificant compared with many other accepted activities
Reggieworth 10 hours ago
didn't you say before it was your last post?
see how upset you have become just because the facts do not agree with your bigoted views? next time when you debate someone try to remain calm and keep from lying and exaggerating.
so how do you know for sure a drunk driver is endangering someone? because there is a risk of danger, right? just like these skaters going down the boardwalk.
i am right about the use of the term immoral. i gave you the definition.
311Egar 10 hours ago
@311Egar
"see how upset you have become"
that is your goal right TROLL?
"next time when you debate"
a debate involves two people discussing a subject, you simply argue based on the outcome being the only thing
"because there is a risk of danger, right?"
and skateboarding has proven to be an insignificant risk compared with drunk driving
10MILLION skaters in the US alone, hardly any injuries to others. why the hate?
all you are doing here is showing the prejudice used against us...
Reggieworth 2 hours ago
@Gearsturfs
do you see how he even taunts you when you say its your last post? hes been doing that here for years... he calls it 'running away' or 'admit defeat' when people finally realize they are talking to a brick and go about their lives
i wonder how many more times youtube will have to suspend his accounts before he realizes that harassing random people incessantly for posting their opinions isnt wanted
thanks for not feedin the TROLL
Reggieworth 2 hours ago
@311Egar what I think of police officers shows what I believe on an opinionated level, it doesn't deter my argument because I'm not arguing police are evil, I'm arguing they have no moral statue when they enforce the law, the only thing their doing is lawful
but lawful does not mean moral. therefore we cannot assume that anything lawfully done is moral.
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
@311Egar /watch?v=UHSWCMqYQc4
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
rivieri was in the wrong. did you actually think i would side with rivieri just because he was an officer? i use logic/fact, not bias, ignorance and exaggerations.
311Egar 2 days ago
@311Egar why was rivieri in the wrong?
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
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@311Egar "originally having a day out celebrating what they love"
does that require breaking the law? yes or no?"
a black man riding the bus during the jim crowe era, does that require breaking the law? yes or no?
"exaggerated many times as well"
where?
"again you bring up a human rights issues and falsely compare it to this minor incident. the core of your argument consists of lies, exaggerations and absurd analogies."
right there.
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
"does that require breaking the law? yes or no?"
in that era, yes. does skating require a person to break the law? yes or no?
where exactly is the exaggeration? you did lie. you did exaggerate. your analogy of a race issue to this incident is absurd.
311Egar 2 days ago
@311Egar
no in that era it does not, they can sit in the back.
depends on the city, in some cities like san francisco it's illegal to skate in the whole entire city. But that's beside the point in fact I already answered this. and it doesn't matter whether he did or not, you keep avoiding what i'm arguing to try and get to me to admit they broke the law. which actually has nothing to do with my argument. because I already admitted they did
all over that post. point out my "lies"
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
@311Egar it's not absurd, i'm showing that regardless of the law the only thing that makes this correct to you is your obsession with the idea that morality and law seem to be the same since you keep repeating yourself and avoiding my points. in which case you actually aren't progressing the argument. meaning you lose. talk to me about the morality of the situation.
Gearsturfs 2 days ago
is it moral to endanger pedestrians and deliberately break the law?
i am not trying to get you to admit they broke the law. that fact has already been stated. i am trying to get you to understand there is a difference between a human rights issue and some skaters breaking multiple laws.
in this incident the skaters are the immoral party
"don't you think the skaters may have sustained mental or physical injuries"
not according to mccormack who stated it on youtube comments
311Egar 1 day ago
@311Egar once again, I have shown that we cannot know whether pedestrians were endangered or not. That is an unknown.
how the hell would mccormack know that? he's not a doctor..
you must consider the beliefs held at the time, at the time it was considered an extreme endangerment.
no where in the defenition of immoral does it state anything about law, in fact morality and law are not connected what so ever.
how do you know they set out? maybe they just ended up needing to due to traffic?
Gearsturfs 1 day ago
@311Egar setting out and doing are two completely different things. But that is still beside the point because riding on the sidewalk is never "always" endangerment. We can't know or see the exact situation so we can only assume they broke the law, not endangered another human being.
that was not a lie, it was what I saw when I saw the kid being thrown down at the end of the video, I re watched it and re considered. I twas wrong about the body slam. you're wrong about immoral.
Gearsturfs 1 day ago
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you are so right
i think 311Egar has been arrested, probably more than once. did you know that 1/3 of people under 23 in the US have arrest records?
"you're not logical, just unreasonable"
hes doing it just to bait you into more inane argument. he has been doing it on this video for about FOUR YEARS
hes just mad becasue the fat cop was reprimanded by his department for failing to follow procedure, notice he will never present it with 'the facts'
srsly dont feed the TROLL
Reggieworth 6 days ago
@311Egar were thrown. tossed, slammed, etc.
if everyone is a threat then he has a right to do this to anyone who he deems to close. he has no real reason, he doesn't know what's going through this kids head. and his safety isn't number one, it's the safety of the community "to protect and serve" if he has the right to choke hold anyone he feels threatened by without a real reason besides paranoia, he can choke hold the whole city if he feels like it.
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
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never mind 311TROLL, hes just a born loser who thinks hes discovered a new way of killing time at his crappy job watching little TVs in a mall
the group was NOT warned, 1 skater who later joined the group received a warning at some other location. 311 loves to pile on the evidence from later occurrences & misrepresent facts to push his Hate based bias
"slamming them to the ground"
theres a clear description of the 13yr old being tackled from behind unaware
pls dont feed the TROLL
Reggieworth 1 week ago
@311Egar i think tussling is when both people are hurting each other and one isn't in control, but the policemen was in perfect control, he's much larger and more powerful then these children
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
@Gearsturfs PLUS, he had back up with him
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
ever take a wrestling class? even try to subdue a person who doesn't want to be subdued? being larger and more powerful does not mean the other person is not a threat.
"really a child presents danger to the police officers safety?"
are you actually claiming a 16 year-old cannot harm and adult? he has a board i his hand. skater have used boards as weapons. are you in full knowledge of the contents of the skater's pockets? he is also within reaching distant of the officer's gun too
311Egar 1 week ago
@311Egar when someone drops to the ground with out using both hands to catch themselves it's not voluntary, human beings will put out both hands unless one has been grabbed. you don't need someone on the ground to arrest them. and the natural reaction to being grabbed by the neck and choked is to struggle at first, notice how they give in after a couple seconds?
Gearsturfs 1 week ago
they were both tussling and fell to the ground accidentally. a slam would mean the officer deliberately picked him up and accelerated his body into the ground. also, it's irrelevant because brindley interfered with the officer's arrest. the officer cannot read his mind. brindley was clearly upset screaming profanities. he presents a danger to the officer's safety.
311Egar 1 week ago
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never mind 311Egar, he is just the local TROLL who has been harassing randoms on this video for OVER FOUR YEARS
the guy is a nutjob shill for the police state who really just wants everyone to accept force used on 13 yr old kids for stuff as trivial as a 25$ city ordinance
the community did & still does back the skaters on this one
notice how he lists all the [supposed] charges to justify the 13yr old getting taken down physically from behind when unaware?
pls dont feed the TROLL
Reggieworth 1 week ago
go skate day has no bearing on the law at all.
"rarely harms people on the street"
they are skating on a boardwalk which receives heavy foot traffic from pedestrians/tourists.
311Egar 3 months ago
@311Egar But they still have the right to skate there, right? Usually in this situation the only people who have a problem with it are the cops themselves. This kind of just looks like age descrimination to me.
WafflezDay 3 months ago
no, they do not have the right to skate there. it's against the city's law. they admitted to being warned. they were also warned 30 minutes earlier by the same officer.
age discrimination? so if they were 30 and over he would let them break the law and the pedestrians would not have been upset?
311Egar 3 months ago 2
@311Egar I never said if they were adults nothing would happen. I don't know where you got that. But I guarantee you things would have certainly gone a lot smoother if they hadn't been teenage punks. The cops wouldn't have gotten crazy, but also none of the skaters would have run away, MAYBE. I see stuff like this all the time in Denver, so i'm mostly basing it off opinion. Don't get so defensive, geez.
WafflezDay 3 months ago
"I don't know where you got that"
you did say age discrimination. what else would you mean by it?
"they hadn't been teenage punks'"
just as long as they obeyed his lawful orders it would have went smoothly. age didn't matter.
who is defensive? all i did was state some facts. i don't know how you came about the idea
311Egar 3 months ago 2
@311Egar watch the video again and tell me that cop aint breaking laws...or at least being a complete dickless piggy
saintpedr00 3 months ago
it's a fact the officer didn't break any laws. all he did was lawfully enforce laws these people deliberately chose to violate. in other words, he was doing his job.
311Egar 3 months ago
@311Egar wrong. watch the video about him being fired and they even say that he was braking the law
saintpedr00 3 months ago
he was never fired. where do you people get this crap...lol? officer joey williams was placed on a temporary suspension with pay during the investigation. after the investigation showed he was innocent and performed his duties lawfully he was reinstated.
there is no video stating he was fired. you do know this went to court don't you? guess how lost?
the officer didn't break any laws. fact.
311Egar 3 months ago 6
@311Egar oh yeah wrong cop assaulting skater video lol. well still what he done was just wrong but i guess its just him taking out his anger on kids because he was bullied when he was a kid for being fat and retarded..oh well
saintpedr00 3 months ago
nothing wrong with lawfully enforcing laws people have chosen to violate. it's a good thing the officer didn't have the short temper some of these skaters had
311Egar 3 months ago 2
@311Egar well you know the stupid youth we have to deal with now they make up all sorts of crap just because they were in the wrong and they lost so they have to make crap up to slander the cop that was only doing his job i think the police officer should take what ever cornholer that said that crap and should sue him for slander and as far as these kids go just a bunch of punks and parasites the future of this fine country witch i fought for wont be worth crap when these parasites become adults
thebearjewkiller1976 1 month ago
That's as much exercise his ass had all year. He should of droped a few cheese burgers then that cop would of had to make a tough decision.
12pope 4 months ago
u shld sue the cop
celticluva134 4 months ago
@311egar look I've heard of policemen getting sued for yelling at children and even you know those kids didn't deserve that. And No skateboarding is not a crime unless done on private property and even then you can't get chocked or even touched by a policemen unless the suspect attempts to run but the policemen were harassing them before that that's POLICE BRUTALITY (Skateboarding is not a crime)
P1oxe 4 months ago
@P1oxe its a crime on public property if marked.
spudracer13 4 months ago
why wouldn't they deserve it? the many warnings in the past were useless.
skateboarding in the area on that video is prohibited by hot springs' law. fact.
"policemen were harassing them before"
wrong. the skaters were breaking the law so the officer did his job lawfully. why do you people always look for someone else to blame?
311Egar 4 months ago
What a fucking asshole.
Zendexon 5 months ago
i fucking lost it when they zoomed in one the skateboarder just easily outrunning the police officer XD. and the guy who was handcuffed, you should have just left, all of you, and gotten some bolt cutters and just chopped them off, or picked the lock, or something! xD
QuinnFreakinLynch 5 months ago
guess what? the one who fled was caught and had fleeing added to the charges. what a completely stupid move to do. he's lucky the court cut him a break and decided to fine and do community service instead of putting it on his permanent record.
"just chopped them off"
that would be a very dumb move too. then you would have damaging police property on the list of charges.
311Egar 5 months ago
@311Egar what im saying is, they all had an opportunity to leave, they could have done it except others stayed behind and were obviously forced to rat them out
QuinnFreakinLynch 5 months ago
they didn't rat out the others that kept going. there were originally ten of them.
311Egar 5 months ago
sue him for what? for lawfully enforcing laws the skaters chose to break?
311Egar 5 months ago
fuck cops of america i swear they have nothing better to do ive seen so many cops get way out of line just because they were picked on in school take ur drama else where dam cops go bust murderers or sumthing
666pooploop 5 months ago
So while these cops are messing with we as skaters, somebody is getting raped by a pedophile and the cops are too busy on us for skating.
simmy991 5 months ago
simmy, so what you are saying is if this officer decided not to enforce the law here then he would have seen a pedophile somewhere in the city from where he was standing?
how about this, don't break the law and you won't have to interact with the police. it's a simple concept.
311Egar 5 months ago
Highly trained? the guy sounds like he ran a 28 mile marathon after he tackled that 13 year old girl.
Ramonano 5 months ago
"after he tackled that 13 year old girl"
why do you people lie so much?
311Egar 5 months ago
quit nameing random shit dumb white cop
redsockjunkie 5 months ago
i wasnt there BUT .. you cant pick your ass in public...sounds stupid but the law is the law and being a smart ass dont help at all and they asked for it
0505abab 5 months ago
I would have hit him so fast!
drcutya96 5 months ago
@drcutya96 Yeah right. You'd get the shit beat out of you.
SargentMugen 5 months ago
@SargentMugen Suck my chode and GTFO.
drcutya96 5 months ago
@drcutya96 Ooooh Internet tough guy! What are you? 14? 15?
SargentMugen 5 months ago
@SargentMugen You're talking crap on a person you don't know, nor have never met.
And I'm the "internet tough guy?"
LOL.
drcutya96 5 months ago
@drcutya96 When was I ever talking crap? In all honesty, you're talking about taking on a guy with pepper spray and a taser and judging by the 96 you're only a high school student. Cops do shit like this all the time, you think they're afraid of some kid in high school?
SargentMugen 5 months ago
@SargentMugen "Yeah right, you'd get the shit beat out of you." Thats talking crap.
Also, 96 is my motocross number. And judging by the video, he's about 5 '9 - 5 '10.
I'm 6 '2 and would beat this dudes face in. Stop sticking up for the douche bag pig.
drcutya96 5 months ago
@drcutya96 Cops are highly trained regardless. The moment you attack him, you'll either get a face full of mace (no pun intended) or tazed. According to your profile, you're in high school.
SargentMugen 5 months ago
@SargentMugen Age has no effect on my fighting skills. Point being, the cop was in the wrong, and I would have hit him in self defense, then ran. He's not even big. Lol. Whatever dude.
drcutya96 5 months ago
"the cop was in the wrong,"
actually he was in the right. the skaters were in the wrong.
311Egar 5 months ago
@311Egar LOL FOR WHAT? Fat boy overreacted because he didn't stop skating down a sidewalk. Dumb ass cop needs to leave skaters alone, and do something productive.
drcutya96 5 months ago
let's see, the officer lawfully enforced multiple laws these skaters chose to break. do you actually need me to list the violations seen in the video?
"cop needs to leave skaters alone"
why are you claiming skaters are allowed to break the law while other citizens have to abide by them?
"do something productive"
like enforcing the law and protecting the public like he was doing. the pedestrians/witnesses, community, HSPD and the courts backed the officer
did the skaters break the law?
311Egar 5 months ago
@311Egar Lmao, you're so but hurt dude! GIVE IT A REST.
I don't give 2 shits about anything your saying.
The cop was overreacting, just like you are.
We could snort coke, or skateboard?
What would you prefer, dip shit?
drcutya96 5 months ago
did the skaters break the law? you forgot to answer.
"We could snort coke, or skateboard"
so that's the only alternative skaters have instead of skating in areas prohibited by law. are all skaters that weak-minded?
you certainly are hurt over the facts. why? it's a good thing the officer didn't have your irrational behavior. if he did the skaters might have been shot.
why are you claiming skaters are allowed to break the law while other citizens have to abide by them?
311Egar 5 months ago
@311Egar
Lol way to miss the point entirely.
Point being, you're too stubborn to understand that skaters are just looking
for an alternative aside from doing bad things.
Maybe these kids, JUST LIKE ME, don't have anywhere to skate.
So they skate downtown. Give us a legitimate park, and we won't destroy your property.
How's that?
We break the law. So do murderers.
You wanna compare the two?
You're mentally retarded.
drcutya96 5 months ago
so the only alternative to not taking drugs is to break other laws? i had no problem staying out of trouble when i was young.
"don't have anywhere to skate"
doesn't matter. you do know this was a pre-meditated stunt to cause trouble?
"So do murderers"
they get arrested for it don't they? are they whining about how it's unfair they can't murder people?
"..and we won't destroy your property"
spoken like a typical skater..lol. where do you people get this self-entitlement?
311Egar 5 months ago
@311Egar
You had no trouble staying out of trouble, because you're probably like 40.
Times have changed. Cops hassle skaters for skating on sidewalks,
when they could catch an actual criminal, that deserves the abuse.
Also, I'd love to know how it was a pre-meditated stunt; And where you got your info from.
We get hassled for skating on a sidewalk, when we don't have a park to skate;
You guys say we "destroy property" as an excuse to make us stop skating, when we really don't do shit.
drcutya96 5 months ago
how can i be 40 back when i was a teenager? you do know what teenager means don't you?
"Cops hassle skaters for skating on sidewalks"
if there is a law against it they do. why do skaters whine about it?
"I'd love to know how it was a pre-meditated stunt"
hmmm...let's they made a conscious choice to defy a law they have been repeatedly warned about. they admitted they knew they shouldn't have been there.
"And where you got your info from"
it's called local city websites
311Egar 5 months ago
"So do murderers"
they get arrested for it don't they? are they whining about how it's unfair they can't murder people? you forgot to answer.
"You guys say we "destroy property"
i do? i say skaters often whine they are stopped by officers for breaking the law. this law was created for pedestrian safety. something i am sure you do not care about. just as you admitted you don't care for the property of others
so the only alternative to not taking drugs is to break other laws?
311Egar 5 months ago
@311Egar WTF are you talking about he was riding a skateboard. Last time i check riding a skateboard is NOT a crime. Then he dicided to arrest a Girl that look to me about 13-14 years of age for no reason exept saying something rude to the officer, Which is something called Freedom of speech. I have nothing against Officers laying down the law like their suppose too. But skateboarding isnt something you should be arrested or given a fine for. I'am srry but i strongy disagree with you.
noobertoober1 5 months ago
who ever ran away good job man thts what the others needed to do except carry the guy wit da cuffs lol haha
yumssk8er777 5 months ago
In jail cell: Criminal 1:"What are you in for?" 2"i raped and killed 6 lil girls you?" 1"i did a frontside feeble grind on a handrail."
TheSportsfreak96 6 months ago
it's more like they were in for fleeing, refusing lawful orders, obstruction, interfering with a lawful arrest, disorderly conduct and battery. see how facts help out?
311Egar