Immemorial - Sadness and Hate

[StephenGraystoneU87]

No way ! Jari covered his own song with another band ! Damn I'ma love it ! But it sounds weird compared to the original...

[MetalDubreuil]

Actually I prefer the Wintersun one for the clean vocals part, they aren't so great in this one, Jari really improved on clean vocals.

[TheDarkWind666]

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[MIKE10000isn]

9:21 holy s....

[GrimReaper1305]

Is there a way to get the Immemorial stuff in decent quality? I'd kill to get an Immemorial album ;)

[SmilingDoom]

I don't know about you guys, but I prefer this version over the other. I do love the other one too. Damn you Jari for making this love so complicated!

[metalschock]

@SmilingDoom ya, i prefer this one too :)

[spiderman233]

People is saying that they prefer this version over the wintersun version but this version sounds "raw"(imo), and i think wintersun version is better because its kinda serious stuff and he did it after this one putting effort on it, and everything sounds clear, i think is just the ppl getting bored of the Wintersun version(just my opinion).

[MonsterSawce]

@spiderman233 there is beauty in imperfection

[CanadianReich]

ah,just the tunes I need to do my paper work to....gotta invoice all these guys and pay some employees..... perfect tunes

[SubZero598]

Words can't express how amazing this song is...

[WintersunFTWFTW]

that 1 faggot who disliked this song is gonna get raped by 87 gods.. 88 with Jari himself.

[Haarissssssssss]

@WintersunFTWFTW To be raped by Jari most likely is no curse, but blessing. :D

[iBAMi777]

I only knew the version of WINTERSUN and it makes me laughing while hearing this song from immemorial because of the vocals and the contrast between the accustic and the electric guitar

but it's also good... \m/

[Pulvertoastman250]

@iBAMi777

damn,i´m in this situation,too :D

This a really "funny" song when you listen to sadness and hate by wintersun before you listen to this version

I like Demos ...

[andrewizz]

0 dislikes, it's normal in a video were Jari appears

I fucking love this song!

[ThewilloftheonE]

68 are Mäenpääists and NO ONE are retarded!!!!

[amanitebg]

This must be the old version of Sadness and Hate from 1996.

[amanitebg]

This must be the old version of Sadness and Hate from 1996.

[DarkVanirProductions]

This is way better than the Wintersun version. I can't wait to hear Time album!!!

[blackkrane0622]

Who did the drums for this song?

[qcjefftqc]

@blackkrane0622 he used a midi drum machine

[vekka812]

@blackkrane0622

these are not real drums, this is some kind of programme...most of the bands put drum programme while recording, cause sound is more clearer...

[bcasey25raptor]

this is actually one of my favorite songs on the debut album wintersun. i also like all the others almost just as much. on second thought all of jari's work is absolutely steller.

[martialknuckles]

very very interesting

[TheIndignation]

Now as good as the Wintersun version of course but, very interesting to think how this came a good 10 years earlier give or take.

[TheMyre86]

This is even better than of wintersun!!! so geil

[skaplis]

on 3:37 transition doesn't sound good.

Wintersun's version the best!

[PlacidDragon]

@skaplis

You have to take into consideration that this is a demo recording, probably done by Jari and Oliver (Fokin) on some very crappy gear at home, 15 years ago (before Jari joined Ensiferum, etc). Taking that into consideration, i'd say that the quality is absolutely stellar :)

[Mrgab325]

i think that i prefer this version

[ThalassemiacLord]

Is it just me or does he say "My eyes bleedeth for you my star". I am not sure if "bleedeth" is a word in Old English. I also am not aware if there is any lyrics posted on this song. If any of you are aware of what he really says there please reply or if you know the full lyrics of the song. PM me..Anyways thank you.

[markmetalhead95]

"Bleedeth" is early modern English, not old English. The old English word for bleed is "bledan", and the word for blood is "blōd." "Bleedeth" was probably pronounced like "bleeds", there is evidence -eth was pronounced like -s.

As for the lyrics, it's very similar to the Wintersun version but with some minor differences.

[ThalassemiacLord]

Much thanks. I will certainly not make that mistake again.

[Lazermuffin]

Lol It's weird hearing this version.

[Ermemel]

Yo what's up with the sweeps at 1:21?

This one is much better than wintersun's version

[GuitarGodReborn]

I believe that was a keyboard.

[waaromeenusername]

the part with the clean vocals is one of the most beautiful things i've ever heard... i could listen to this song over and over

all hail Jari!!

[Akermin]

This is pretty cool. I wasn't aware there was an earlier recorded version of this. Jari's screams are mixed a little differently.

Not as good as the final version, but pretty nifty nontheless.

[RICKYFALL]

Holy shit I didn't know there was an original version!!

[AhtiReign]

this version > Wintersun version.

just barely though.

[ChristForeverDie]

wtf. he does not owe you shit, and it doesn't really matter why the album still hasn't come out. whether it is because he really is lazy as you claim, or because of what fucking ever, he does other things in his life besides writing and recording all day and you should do the same and get a life cause none of you fucks seem to have one. for fucks sake, i know it has been a long time, but like i said, he does not owe you shit and it will be released whenever HE decides -- not YOU.

i hate people.

[ChristForeverDie]

glad someone agrees with me ahahah

wintersun version, immemorial version - this song is amazing in every way to me.

all hail jari.

[an0th3rg0th]

yep jari isnt lazy, he's actually had a lot of problems with computers and stuff if ppl bother to look at the website rather than wait for ppl to tell them random shite about it god some ppl are so fucking stupid lol and thought id bak ur point up

[mrcooki3]

... last post was almost a year ago , they don't update they're website

[MetalinTheSky]

@ChristForeverDie Agree'd. Hail Jari with all respect.

[huggybear8374]

@ChristForeverDie do not rush a god people, that is the irony of time

[thyrf1ng]

@ChristForeverDie i totally agree with you man he is just human, patience is a virtue, what it seems that the human being lacks nowadays :(

[Blixish]

@ChristForeverDie Hear, hear!!!

[coldviking99]

oh please forgive us god or whatever you christforerver die are.. i agreed with you presure for the new album is stupid , but ok GOd hate us , what shall we do? jaja 

[TheDarkWind666]

@ChristForeverDie I hate retarded people in all aspects, which unfortunately makes up alot of people these days. You're definitely right about Jari living his own life, not oweing anyone anything, and when he feels like releasing his new music, he will.

[nicwoodhouse]

hey does anyone know if this version is in Standard E tuning and that the version that was redone on the wintersun album in D tuning?

[hodgie19]

what drum machine do they use for this?

[koml3uch4]

honestly the only excuse to not have it done by now, even with the delays, is just laziness

[an0th3rg0th]

ur actually a complete spaz if you think that have you even bothered reading the wintersun website about the album he has good fucking reasons, you twat

jari is god!

[KsEakd]

perfect<3

[swords0]

I didnt know this versions existed.

Very refreshing :)

(still waiting for that damned Time lol)

[Jackorknave]

It'll never be released at this rate.

[hmx2]

harsh haha.

gotta give the guy time

[TidusZero1]

We can't give him time, he's creating time right now :D

[hmx2]

lmfao this i understand

nice haha

[GeoffJesterPemberton]

I thought it was delayed due to computer errors.

[mrcooki3]

it is , but fuck man Finland computer must suck nuts !

[ristuksenvittu]

they are musicians, not computer nerds.

[kag3l]

I prefer E tuning over D (though both fit in Jari's style). anyways this sounds awesome! 5* for sure

[luidbros]

jari xx

[Loves2spooge696]

Sweet!

[eragon2121]

Love the little guitar thing at 56 - 59. :)

[kandine1]

Time isn't out yet, but we all shall be blessed by him when it does get released xD

[Skoojoo]

The tuning isnt dropped on this version... the dropped tuning makes it feel much darker, except the lower quality makes this one sound more raw like (most) black metal... And his growls are more distorted and sound more like black metal vocals.

[1000xela]

Kai's work on drums is much better than this. It has better technique and feeling IMO

[Skoojoo]

I dont think Kai did this... i think it was before Kai, cause this was a split CD with Ensiferum... I could be wrong...

[oschkhar]

these drums are made by jari with a drum machine

[Dantera001]

this is a drum machine.

[kunal8kulkarni]

is Wintersun's TIME out yet? cant wait!!

[thegeno64]

no not for awhile it keeps getting pushed back farther and farther

[hhhnightmare]

sounds great, but i prefer the wintersun version, especially the vocals...

Hail Jari!!!

[IlBlaCkHEarTeDII]

ya i like the sweep before the first growl but other than that the wintersun version is better in my opinion but jari is still GOD no matter what

[BenDaHen123]

They should have kept that sweep in the Wintersun recording, it's sick!

[assaf001]

Great one just like in Wintersun' album!

[TowardsAbyss]

Blacker than Wintersun, I like the two versions of that song (epic and black metal) !

[NamelessLegacy]

The raw guitar sound makes this even more epic than the Wintersun version, but the vocals aren't that great...

[Seppovesimies]

This song is also on Wintersun's debut album! Great song.