My belief is that God is multi dimensional which makes it difficult for us in this 3d place to understand. God must be every dimension that exists otherwise He could not have created them all and therefore He could be in every place at once. The creator is greater than the creation. God is truly mind blowing!
I've been praying to God that if His nature can be understood if He would reveal it to me. This "Oneness" is what I've been urged by the Spirit. I didn't even know there was a doctrine about it. But if we have a personal relationship with Christ on earth, then in Heaven we'll have a personal face-to-face relationship as well. How can God do that with everyone? Omnipresence! And that is the answer to the Father/Son/Spirit seeming to be separate. They are not - they are ONE through omnipresence!
I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Why can't the one God of Deut. 6:4 manifest himself as 3 persons simultaneously? Is anything too hard for God? After seeing Origen's use of Plato's middle triadic schema in the development of the trinity embraced by Roman Catholicism I had to chose between the three who are one (literally) and the three in one. I chose the former based on Isa.13:6; 9:6; 44:6,8; 45:15 and Rev1:8,11,17;19:12; Deut.10:17; Psa.136:3; Rev,19:16. Check the references out.
Jew for Jesus, The Shema D6:4, has 3 names for God with three parts while Rabbi pray with three fingers making the Hebrew character Shin. In Hebrew from the OT Elohim(Gods) used 2400+ vs El(God) used 200+. Why would God of Israel use plural when talking about himself 2000 vs 200? Jesus said in M 28 19 Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
My name is Steven DeNoon I am an Author of the book "Israel Are They Still God's People"It is interesting to see your position on who Jesus is and even women. I haven't till recently posted You Tube Videos but I am starting now. we have remarkably similar views. I have a very strong command of the Hebrew Language and I will soon post He Jesus really is from a perspective of Jews that will recognize Him as who He really is. email me IsraelReturns@aol.com
According to what John MacArthur says on this clip he doesn't have any idea what oneness theologians believe. Another thing, can anyone tell me where in the Bible it says u have to undersand the full nature of the Godhead to be saved? This comes from the same ppl who say that as longs as person believes that Jesus is the son of God (which oneness ppl do believe just not in the same way as Trinitarians) and believe that he died for my sins then I'm saved and nothing can seperate me from Christ.
@TriuneApostolic Jesus said before Abraham was I am, the God of the OT went by that name...now are you saying that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were saying these things? And, is God a government similar to our government? Which are coequal, yet they have are three separate branches and each has it's own "responsibilities" to fulfill. Yet and still they all combine their responsibilities to form the one true God, but with three distinct personalities?
@TriuneApostolic As for further answers, you FAIL...EPICALLY...to understand Jesus's dual nature as God and man when you claim that since He referred to "Father" He is not the Father when Isaiah 9:6 (a verse abused by evil Satan worshippers like you and Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarian sects) He must not be the Father. Son - CAPITALIZED! It is capitalized to denote Jesus as...GOD! Since we are all children of God, then male Christians could likewise be considered sons of God.
@TriuneApostolic If you want to deny the distinction of Jesus as man and He as God (for the Father was in Him), that's not my problem. But to do so is to suggest that God hungers, thirsts, and tires, as well as prays to Himself. The distinction MUST be maintained, otherwise the line between God and man becomes blurred. But in saying that, humanity and divinity were absolutely united and unified as one in Christ - yet retain their distinctions!
@TriuneApostolic Nup, not logical. And a complete disregard to Jesus as man. You acknowledge Jesus as a man, but you don't recognize Him as one. When Jesus prays as a man does unto His God, you say it's the second person praying to the first person of the trinity. You completely misunderstand that this is simply Jesus as a man praying to God. Nothing more, nothing less. If this wasn't Him as a man praying and speaking of His God, then He's nothing more than a charade - He's not really fully man.
Trinity is rock solid. I will *never* abandon trinitarian doctrine as long as I am a christian.
I don't care who or what stands against the Trinity.
But neither will I try to undertand the Trinity. To do so leads to heresy, EVERY TIME.
If light is both a wave and a particle stream, (when both notions seem mutually exclusive) if quantum physics is true, then there is mystery and paradox in nature. Why not so in the Godhead Himself?
There are many mentally ill and also ignorant believers saved despite their knowledge of the trinity.According to John God saves with understanding and intellectual consent of the trinity, impossible.
mabye whoever posted this video should start reading their bible for spiritual growth instead of using it to attack other believers. if u dont like what johnny mac has to say about your irreverent silly myths (1 Tim 4:7) dont listen to him. trust me when i say this we dont listen to you
@MrHellowwww1 And the trinity is logical? How 3 "persons", who act like 3 gods, yet are all the one and same God? I can tell you now, the only version of oneness you know is the misunderstood, false, heretical one spread from trinitarian to trinitarian.
@TriuneApostolic - LOL ??. The only true colors here are the colors of MacArthur (Matt. 7:15) and your own (2nd Peter vs 1). Read them carefully-they are your present and future. Your job is done? Really? No. As is the fate of the false prophet, MacArthur will be forced to preach his "sermons" of hate and greed for an eternity tied to a sulfur pulpit, unable to stop or rest-an eternal loop.- You and his disciples will be forced to sit amongst the demons, forced to listen to him for an eternity,
@MrTrinityisone - LOL!! C'mon, hiding behind a "fake" channel. Hmmm... it was created on? Yesterday! LOL ! -what a coincidence! Pathetic. cowardly, stupid, and preaching a Gospel other than the one taught by Christ. Read ( 2nd Peter, vs 1 ) again.- I'm glad you have attached yourself so tightly to John MacArthur- you'll have an eternity to listen to his "sermon"- just as it says in scipture- over and over and over again. The false prophet and his disciples "together forever" with the demons..
@MrTrinityisone- Don't be upset- MacArthur's fans often hide- just like they lie,- just as he does. Just remember, John MacArthur is the living embodiment of Matt: 7:15. -Look to Christ-not false prophetS. Nice try.
@TriuneApostolic LOL !! You wouldn't understand scriptural exegesis or scriptural text within context if it bit you in your ignorant ass. A commentary? Duh-Whats that? One more time... John MacArthur ( and those of his followers) are the living examples of Matt 7 :15 - Your reward ? Look it up. The false prophet must preach his "sermon" to the demons on a continuous loop, unable to stop, for eternity. You (his follower) must sit with the demons applauding him for an eternity. Have fun....
@TriuneApostolic -Whats "interesting" is that you do not even know how to spell the word exegesis.Here we go- e x e g e s i s. If you are actually interested in this portion of Matt. then invest in a commentary.I have one. They are good to have. Maybe if you actually studied scripture instead of reveling in your ignorance, you wouldn't have MacArthur as your guru. Don't claim Christ as your Savior if you are going to turn Christianity into a stupid superstition. Start loving the poor. Try it.
Jesus said the Father forsaken him, so either Jesus. Jesus flesh, or the image of God lied because Jesus was just a man/flesh/not God, or Jesus was God and had a Father who was God which forsaken him. Matthew 27:46 I will not be offend if you can logically defeat it.
@TriuneApostolic Is Jesus going to be their Judge? Two more things, evil always laughs at good like bully and his target or in the movies. Jesus was a Jew, so the UPC doctrine is lacking. My Jewish friend is a master of words and debate, so they are very purposeful with their words.
@TriuneApostolic Check out any Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Jewish Voices, and many other Messianic Jewish Group which believe in the Trinity. Why would they believe? All of them know Hebrew better than me and maybe you but believe in 3 are 1 or the Trinity. In the spirit of brotherly love
@TriuneApostolic If you want to believe in Oneness, that is your choice, but would you be offend if I logical defeat UPC doctrine. Jesus is name and belief we have in common. God has graced me with Jewish friend, so I understand the Bible in very Jewish and Christian way. God does not need me to explain anything, An example would be the Shema has three names for God in the first verse with three parts while the Rabbi pray with three fingers making Hebrew character Shin.
@TriuneApostolic Read Matt 25, 31-46. Read it very very slowly for yourself. Your "master" will never preach it-he cannot. It exposes and convicts him.
@TriuneApostolic Read Gal. 1 :8 . You have chosen to follow a false prophet. John MacArthur. His corrupt biblical teachings are antithetical to the Gospel Of Jesus A real Christian cares enough to tell others the truth. Please read Matt 25. You are afraid of the Truth regarding this man's fundamentalist sect. Be honest enough to read the Bible and see this charlatan's lies.
@TriuneApostolic Matt 13:13 was written for those like yourself. The Gospel couldn't be clearer, Jesus calls us to clothe the naked and feed the hungry-MacArthur never speaks of this- because it challenges his greed. Instead he deliberately tries to pull attention away from this -focusing instead, attention on ridiculous arguments about trekkers or yoga. He is a truly false prophet. You worship him because the true Gospel shames you. Your reward will be joining MacArthur in Hell,- Gal 1:8.
@TriuneApostolic John MacArthur and those like him are clearly spoken about by Jesus in both Matt 7:15 and in Gal.1:8.- Stop worshiping him and turn to Christ or you will share his fate.
If Jesus as God the Father and Spirit died all Virtue and attribute of God died with Him.This is impossible Jesus was distinct One in Spirit with Father and Spirit perpetually even on the cross. He died as a Man of flesh never distinctly as the Son in Spirit One with Father and Spirit perpetually. Oneness theology and trinitarian theology are both wrong on this topic that God died, God never died or Virtue and Attribute ceases. Jesus though fully God One in Spirit distinct. Died as a Man.
The devil laughs at God. Evil always laugh at the Good in the movies. This is like bully laughing at the weak. What would Jesus say about? By the way, you prove your faith. Go to Jews for Jesus or any Messianic Jewish group, what do they believe/?
LOL!!! I could really relate to the Data laugh. It's funny when those trinitarians scream out that I dunno their doctrine when I really do (to the extent that anyone can understand it), and then they ironically misrepresent my position.
Interesting quote about what God can do. But the question is not what CAN God do? It is what is the truth about God? God could have not created teh Earth. But the truth is that he did. So the quote really falls flat.
MacArthur does not deny the Omnipresence of God, or that Jesus & the Father are 'One,' however, what Oneness Theology doesn't comprehend is that there are three separate 'Persons' in 'One' God. Deuteronomy 6 says that God is 'One,' which is the same Hebrew word to describe marriage in Genesis, the TWO shall become 'One' - two 'persons,' but 'One' in spirit & union. Matthew 28:19 describe that Oneness of God, & Matthew 3 describe the Father, Son, & HS in 3 places at once. Jesus also prayed TO God
@BornAgainRN All your arguments are really shallow in nature. Distinctions of God is Biblical. "Persons" is a wrong interpretation of that. "Echad" in Deut 6:4 is also the same word to denote something to be one indivisible unit. Don't take one use of it and run away with it. The version of Matt 28:19 today is most likely an altered one of the original.In any case, the baptism in the name of Jesus is the only one evident throughout Acts.Therefore the one name is Jesus. Jesus as man prayed to God
@BornAgainRN Also noticed your highly incorrect use of the word "separate" to denote the distinction of "persons". This is trinitarian error 101, and I lol every time it happens, cause you ALL do it. In your doctrine, to use the word is to challenge the unity of God. You are meant to use the word "distinction". Seems as though I, as a Oneness Pentecostal, know your doctrine better than you do. I know your Greek-derived philosophy of "three hypostasis" and "one ousia", and I know it doesn't stick
@OneTruthFinder , (sigh) one thing I have noticed on You Tube, FB, etc., is that everyone is convinced that "their" interpretation is the correct one. We all try to go back to the original Hebrew, Aramaic, & Greek to support our position. What I have found is that no matter what support you use to show someone of the most literal view of Scripture, if they are set in THEIR understanding of the meaning of Scripture, it is highly unlikely they will be convinced otherwise. God bless!
Why are you people (Mr. ProphecyChannel) so quick to ignore proper hermeneutical reading of the Bible? Why are you so quick to take your little study "Right Hand Of God" and then filter all your understanding through your understanding of the "Right Hand Of God"???
Theologically you ignore historical understanding going back to the apostles
If you don't believe in your anus, Mr. MacArthur, then you don't believe in your trinity and its "God the Son" since that's where you've derived your doctrine of the trinity. Now does that make sense to you? I hope not. Neither do your charges concerning Oneness doctrine. People not believing in your anus has nothing to do with their believing in God. "Trinity" has nothing to do with God. It does have to do with your anus, however, a feature so many of your precursors employ similarly.
Why would God need to "be" a son to us? No! We would never relate to God as our son! How foolish. That sounds like some morphed doctrine of Mariology, with Mary as God's mother. Who are we to ever think of God as our child?! That is sinful! No, We pray to God, saying, "Our Father", not "Our Son". If sonship were a quality of divinity, then God would relate to us as our son. The man Jesus related to God as HIS son. He didn't teach us to call God "Our Son". Jesus is not "God the Son".
I made a mistake. John accuses the United Pentecostals of teaching that "[God] never gets to be all three at the same time" This is a 4th argument.. Oneness people do hold to the idea that there is no such thing as "God the Son". They do not deny the Father, the son of God nor the Holy Ghost., but they mean that God is no one's son. God HAD a son. He is not a son. There is no such thing as "God the Son" in the Bible. Sonship is a quality of humanity. But Jesus is not only God's son.
The third charge Mac makes is that Oneness people teach that "[God] gets to be the Holy Spirit for a while". Do Oneness people teach this? No one in his or her right mind would say this, not a Bible believer at least. God IS the Holy Spirit. He doesn't "get to be" the Holy Spirit "for a while". Foolish Mac!
The second charge Mac makes is that Oneness people teach "then [God] gets to be Christ for a while". Do they, you intellectual giants? Well, do they? What a damnable doctrine it would be if they taught such a foolish, evil thing. If they did, well, I guess that would make Mac appear quite smart. Perhaps that's why he set up the STRAW MAN.
Let's examine John's accusation of Oneness doctrine in its three damning aspects. If Oneness people teach, as Mac says, " God is [pause] God for a while", this would surely be a damnable doctrine. Do Oneness people teach that "God is God for a while?" Think about it. How foolish.
Macarther's argument regarding Oneness doctrine is a STRAW MAN. He only props the foolish thing up so he can knock it down. No believer in his or her right mind would repeat the awful, lying doctrine of which John accuses them. Utter silliness! There is one God. He is a Spirit. He is Holy. He relates to us as our Father. Our God is ONE Person according to Hebrews 1. God is always God, NEVER a man. Our Father God put Himself FULLY in the body of a man, His son, but was still omnipresent.
Here is John MacArthur's lie: "United Pentecostals who are called the Jesus Only who believe in a kind of modalism, where God is [pause] God for a while then He gets to be Christ for a while and He gets to be the Holy Spirit for a while but He never gets to be all three at the same time." How silly. Of course it is a badge of honor to be called "Jesus Only". Thank God. There is only ONE NAME given among men whereby we must be saved. The rest he says is Satan's ruse to deceive. For shame!
Your argument wouldn't have impressed Jesus, oh wise, educated one. In the end he said, men would compass sea and land to make proselytes and in so doing would make them twice children of HELL. The fact that John has made a proselyte in you means little, or even that it may have taken him 40 years and hours a day to do it. Not that you are a child of hell or twice one. That's between you and your "God the Son" Person, not found in the Bible John has so arduously studied for 40 years.
Our one God is a Spirit. He is Holy. We call Him the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our Father. There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. He is ONE PERSON, according to Hebrews 1 (his divine Person, not "persons"). This one God, the Creator of all things, put Himself in the body of a man He made, the man Christ Jesus. Jesus was NOT "God the Son". (There is no such expression found in the Bible.) He was the "Son of God" as a man. But He was God by virtue of the Spirit manifest in Him.
@00Gladiator1 Its explained very easily. You are looking at it from a Trinitarian perspective rather than as it states. The Bible says NOTHING about this being a demonstration of the Trinity. What a revelation that would have been to the Jews, who believed in only one person of God. However, not a one gasped at this revelation...it wasn't even mentioned. Why? I've answered it already here beginning at 5:40
@00Gladiator1 Please do a study on the "Right Hand Of God" and you will answer all of your questions. Its a rather interesting topic...and metaphorical. You will not find a theologian worth a grain of salt that says otherwise.
@ProphecyChannel I've read on several reknown and respected commentators and their descriptions on the "Right Hand". It denotes Christ' place of honor and splendor with God. In Acts 7:55, Where Stephen looked or gazed into heaven, is denoted as Stephen seeing with the corporeal eye the ascended Christ in His role as mediator between God and Man, which Christ still sits in denoting, not a difference but a distinction. Stephen saw God's glory as in a great light of splendor but Christ bodily
@00Gladiator1 it actually is not. Or, you would be saying you (a) believe in 2 gods or (b) Jesus is not God. Are you saying you believe in multiple gods?
The Father is the Son? And the support is because God is omnipresent? The Spirit dwells in believers, are they now the Father? Why does Jesus refer to himself distinct from the Father if He is the Father? For illustrative purposes on submission to God? And John 14 seems to provide the perfect place for Jesus to come out and say, "Hey, I AM the Father," yet He doesn't.I've already read the documents of the first 5 church councils, do you have anything to add, or is it the same old heresy?Ecc. 1:9
@JohnoPete No, the Father is IN the Son. Jesus is God AND man. It is this duality that causes trinitarians confusion. Jesus spoke from both parts. He prayed from His humanity in the garden. Trinitarianism says there is no conflict of will in all three "persons" of God, yet Jesus said "not MY will be done but YOUR will." That's conflict of will UNLESS it was the humanity praying. Therefore we can see that it was not another PERSON praying. Now look at Scripture with that in mind.
@JohnoPete God is our Father, John. He is Holy. He is a Spirit. Our Father is a Spirit. He does not "have" a Spirit or "relate" to a Spirit. He IS the Holy Spirit. God is NOT a son, John. Why would God need to be a son? (Why the need for the sophist's invention in that non-Biblical phrase, "God the Son"?) God is NO ONE'S son. We NEVER call on God like this, "Oh, our Son!" NO!!! We say, "Oh, our Father!" God relates to us as our Father, not as our son...On to the Incarnation...
@JohnoPete God made a man, John, the man Christ Jesus. He put Himself FULLY in that man, John. This man was known as "the son of God", even though trinitarians have perverted that phrase using a clever trick most don't notice. They have changed "son of God" into "God the Son". You might think there is' no difference, but oh, the world is in that difference, John. God's reconciliation with the world is in that difference, John. God was IN His only begotten son, the son of the Father, a man!
The primary defense of oneness theology is that God is omnipresent. Therefore the Father was in the Son during the passion. But this in someway means Christ is not his own distinct person? Are we therefore the Father since He exists in us givin this view of omnipresence? Now I fully believe John 14, but if Jesus is here teaching that He is the Father, why does He seem so distinct in person? It seems that Jesus could have been more clear on the issue if the Father is the Son.
Yes, he does believe that baptism is necessary. I too and a rational guy and you have to keep in mind, not all Oneness are UPC, nor are all UPC stuck up. Its the same in the Trinitarian circle, there are also stuck people there to that are hard to talk to.
If you would like to debate, i would like to do it by video blogging so that everyone can see it. Like if you made a video and upload it to your channel, i can download it and put our vids together so that everyone can see the debate but if you don't want to do this, its fine. God Bless
I don't have the time nor means to do a video exchange. I get that you want to do that, but my questions remains unanswered: what's wrong with a written exchange? You might even use it as preparation for a future video debate.
@JohnoPete There is one God, John. The Jews knew this one God as "Father" because He spoke & acted towards them as a father, creating them, caring for them, loving them. God relates to us as our Father, John. God is our Father. God is a Spirit, John. He does not "possess" or "relate" to a spirit, as if He could hold it at arm's length and relate to it. He IS a Spirit. "Is", not "has" or "relates". Holiness is His attribute, John. God IS the Holy Spirit. God is One Person, John (Heb.1)
@JohnoPete Trinitarians violate the Incarnation, John. God the Father put Himself in the body of a man. He was manifest in the flesh, John. Jesus is not "God the Son". He is the son of God, born of the virgin Mary, indwelt by God the Father Who we know as the Holy Spirit. He was oh so much more than the son of God, since God was in Him FULLY. The man Jesus related to His Father as a child would do. Yet when we call on Jesus, Who is that comes to us? God our Father, the Spirit of Jesus.
@JohnoPete I call on all you Trinitarians to call on Jesus! I challenge you to obey the scriptures and do EVERYTHING in His name. He is Lord over all. There is no other Lord, no other God, no other Spirit, no other Father. We have but one Father. We have but one Savior. His name is JESUS. You can call on Him in any language. He hears His name and comes to His children who call from their spirits, "ABBA!" Jesus is your Father, John. If you are his child, believe it & receive it.
I don't believe in religion. But for people to openly say, that because you do not believe in a certain religion that you do not know your "god" is purely, for lack of a better phrase, fucked up.
James says the God is ONE. That's it... I'm not listening to human beings anymore. Teologians create division, they mutilate the body of Christ. The Bible says to believe in Jesus in order to be saved... that's it...
John MacArthur gives an excellent answer, and you can find his biblical exegesis on such doctrines from his webpage. Star track and UPC websites don't mean squat as support for this new wave of sabelianism.
The Christians were considered a cult by many Roman Pagans and Jews. The definition of cult is simply a religious group whose beliefs differ from that of the majority of society. That comment highlights your ignorance.
heresy is what it is, apostolic heresy along with upci and david the heretic bernard you deny the trinity, you deny the deity, your weak if you thought the video was strong affirmation, it is like the devil laughing in Christ face,ill pray for you ,that GOds conviction the oneness shows you that it is crap
There is only one God the Father and only one Son of God, Jesus, and one Holy Spirit. These add up to three but there is only one God, who is the Father of Jesus. When the bible says these three are one, it means they are in agreement. Jesus did not some how swallow up God the Father and cause him to cease to exist.
stop the heresy, oneness either they are not saved or they are decieved or both! pray for them
WE ARE ALL ONE WITH EACH OTHER, GOD & THE UNIVERSE... I YOU, YOU ME!
Ones Pain Suffering and Hurt is ALL OUR PAIN SUFFERING & HURT... NO 2 WAYS ABOUT IT...
That is what Jesus meant when he said "TURN THE OTHER CHEEK!"
GODS PRESENCE Permeates Saturates all manifestation... Birds Bees Trees Animals Reptiles HUMEN...etc. The Bible is wrong "GOD never gave man dominion over the land & the creatures...Man is no more no less than the creatures!!!"
OMNIPRESENCE; GODS LAWS & THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE DO NOT CONTRADICT!
If I hurt you I am hurting myself... Your Pain is my Pain, EVEN if I don't know you b/c you might be on the other end of the earth.... WE ARE ALL ONE!!!
When the World Bank goes to South America and Swindle their government into Humongous LOANS & when they can't pay it back they manipulate the natural resources of that country out of the hands of the indigenous people leaving the people to starve & suffer THAT IS SINFUL
The SWINDLERS are 1 in a million but everyone suffers even the swindler b/c WE ARE ALL ONE... 99% of the population on earth are in DENSITY so they/we don't cognize TRUTH.
"THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND" --Jesus Christ
WAKE UP!!! WORLD!!! You are Dieing in your SLEEP by the BLIND who control the MONEY!!!
"He who controls the Money controls the Country!" -- Mayer Amschel Bauer aka Rothschild
THEY OWN FEDERAL RESERVE & they have been sucking us DRY. International Bankers Control the world
I AM a Spirit B E I N G manifested mundanely as a Woman here to have mental emotional & physical experiences that WILL allow me to grow & unfold in Divine Order!!! This planet Earth is a Divine Creation for those experiences therefore "LIGHT LOVE LIFE & LIBERTY" is our Divine RIGHT!!!
NO ONE Human should be allowed to Coerce & Manipulate the lives of TRILLIONS OF HUMAN B E I N G S manifested on Earth for Greed, Power & Wealth & do it in the Name of god...!
EGO TESTICAL MEGALOMANIACS are men who have no concept of DIVINITY b/c they are in their EGO thinking they are GOD!!!
They have mastered the MANIPULATION OF HUMANS FOR SELFISH GRATIFICATION.
The Money changers... in the house of god ... Jesus was furious & threw their tables asunder & condemned them for their EVIL ways... HE SPOKE TRUTH & was murdered. When they crucified him he never contradicted himself, instead he forgave.
Murdering HUMANITARIANS & TRUTH Speakers continue even today
Jaime Roldos Ahuilera of Ecuador, Omar Torrijos of Panama, Ghandi of India, Presidents Abraham Lincoln & JFK.
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These are just a few Names of Human Beings who manifested mundanely to help HUMANITY & the Money Changers of their day murdered them & covered it up. Hitler another Victim of the Money Changers... Sure he was not perfect but he didn't stir the Holocaust at least not alone... Look to the Zionist Bankers & Leaders... Holocaust was their Trump card for LAND to build an EMPIRE... NWO
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SiNaoia must be the pride of the Jew haters. They are the finest examples of mindless morons posting incoherent anti-Semitc rubbish here. I am sure the more literate goose-steppers cringe when they read the incomprehensible rants that these invertebrates post.
A ZioNazi Creep who goes through my FAVORITES in my CHANNEL & STALKS ME!
A RACIST who hate Jews & proudly consider himself ZioNAZI.
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ZioNAZIs kidnapped & holds tostage today the JUDAIC identity as a Spiritual Front to Deceive the World in gods name as they Murder the Indigenous People of Palestine, Kill their Babies & STEAL THEIR LAND!
Than has nerve to call Warriors of TRUTH & JUSTICE Anti-Semitic & Jew Haters.
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ZioNAZI Israeli have no Semitic or Isralite Blood in their veins!
MAN IS NO MORE NO LESS THAN THE CREATURES OF THE EARTH.
"WILL POWER"... what is that? I know Human have it ... Will POWER is happening whether we are conscious of it or not. Thoughts that come through our individual B E I N G manifest. Unfortunately 90% plus more Humans on Earth are Zombies & channel Negative Evil without even... BEING aware of it!!
But I cannot prove that all B E I N G S manifested does not have it...? Birds, Bees, Trees, Animals, Reptiles, the Universe of the Ocean...?
I was part of the UPCult for 5 years, and will wholeheartedly affirm that carnal, self-seeking, self-righteous people who read their Bibles about 30 minutes a week and rarely pray, are hardly in a position to theologically criticize a time and trial tested, sincere man of God who studies Scripture for 40+ hours a week and fulfills all the pastoral requirements of 1 Timothy and Titus.
Prayer, especially in the Spirit, is great. Reading the Bible is great. On the other hand, you can be ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth (2 Timothy 3:7).
You can't even square your doctrine with itself. The definitions of the words which make up your doctrine can ONLY lead to contradiction.
If he misrepresented anything, he misrepresented heresy, not theology.
In modalism, God can "appear" as all at the same time and communicate with himself (which is ludicrous), but only exists as one, wearing different masks.
He was clearly referring to the Triune distinction within the Godhead when he made the statement in question.
While the video poster (admitted Star Trek geek) is dilly dallying the day away watching Star Trek reruns and finding new ways to discredit proven men of God, John MacArthur is serving the Body of Christ through diligent study and practical application of God's Word.
Uhh, MacArthur's comment was a complete misrepresentation of Oneness belief. Did you listen to the whole video or were you already gearing up to burn someone at the stake?
Again, it is not my practice to debate spiritual issues with carnal men who have repeatedly spurned truth. The moment your deceived heart delighted itself to war against truth after having been presented with enough of it to discern its purity, you exited the realm of sincere, albeit ignorant Christianity, and entered into the diabolical realm of deceptively subtle, sincere, knowledgeable anti-Christianity---interchurch espionage, Satan's most effective weaponry.
When your Bible is only as long as the book of Acts and a few other select passages in Scripture (as is the case with the Apostolic & United Pentecostal cults), puerile understanding and devilish doctrine are inevitable.
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand (the Holy Trinity), and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
But these speak evil of whatever they do not know (the Holy Trinity); and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
As I said before, your religion is debate, not Christianity. You serve "being heard", not Jesus Christ.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words...
@Davertin John MacArthur does not serve God by twisting scripture. He changes scripture to suit the man-made doctrine he loves, changing "son of God" into "God the Son". The latter is NOT found in scripture. Why does John do this? He loves referring to God in terms of "persons" when the only place referring to God as "person" in scripture (Heb. 1) is singular. Why does John love his traditions more than God's word?
It's astounding that someone of a church whose members read the Bible an average of maybe 5 to 30 minutes a week and then don't live by its commands, can say someone who studies the Bible for 30-40 hours a week, has written a massive, multi-volume commentary on it, has preached it for over 40 years, and subsequently lives by its precepts, doesn't love God's Word. Scripture is saturated with preincarnate, e.g. John 1:1, and postincarnate distinctions in the Godhead, e.g. Rev. 5:7.
@Davertin It is "astounding" that you have no comment to make about the absence of the expression "God the Son" in scripture. It is moreso that you say nothing regarding the only Biblical reference to God's "Person" as singular, not plural (Hebrews 1). Why does your mentor like teaching "eternal generation", a favorite trinitarian sophistry, an intellecualist witticism, in actuality an absurdity which threatens the blessed doctrine of the Incarnation. God the Father was manfest in flesh.
@Davertin Your mentor misrepresents Oneness doctrines of which he knows little, notwithstanding relatively wee hours spent reading You misrepresent me or else the composer of this video. Do you know me, sir? I don't know you from Adam, except that I can tell you that you were born in sin. I can tell from your words that you don't mind making lying insinuations about people, just like Adam. Your arrogant judgment of my level of education has helped bolster your pride I suspect. A fall comes.
I wish I knew what you were talking about. I made one comment which your subsequent responses maintained very little relevance to. Eternal generation: "an intellectual witticism". It seems you're just typing words at random and then collating them afterwards according to poetic value, disregarding proper usage of those words. Also, I said nothing of you personally. I stated an indisputable reality in which I have intimate, experiential knowledge of regarding Jesus-Only churches.
@Davertin Here is what you said, sir: "It's astounding that someone of a church whose members read the Bible an average of maybe 5 to 30 minutes a week and then don't live by its commands". You mock me or the Oneness creator of the video, saying our reading is limited to under 30 minutes a week. Further you insinuate that the members of the UPC don't keep God's commands. This of course would be true even of you, but you don't mean it as a confession. You seem to be an accuser.
Most "Jesus-Only" folk don't even read Scripture 30 minutes a week; I was being kind with that number. The only time they pick up their Bible is when they're in church, to follow the pastor's teaching, which I would equate with not reading it all. Furthermore, I didn't "insinuate" that UPCers don't keep God's Word; I stated it clearly. Apostates with petty regard for Scripture have no power or true desire to keep God's Word, hence they can't and don't.
@Davertin I do not think you are qualified to use the word "most" when speaking of "Jesus-Only" folk. I am sure the circle of your friends and acquaintances has never included "most" Jesus Only folk. Even given your circle of friends & acquaitances, how could your opinions about how they spend their time outside church be authoritative? Have you lived with all these people whose lives you have "glossed over"? Be careful about sitting in judgment of people of whom you know LITTLE..
Nor has my circle of friends and acquaintances included most accountants, yet I can say without hesitation that most accountants are good at mathematics. Nevertheless, I am more than qualified to speak authoritatively, even if I hadn't ever lived with them, but yes, I have lived with them and known them intimately. However, that's just knowledge icing. The knowledge cake doesn't come from experience, but rather through Biblical revelation of the unregenerate's mentality.
@Davertin Now you are using another logical trick, bait and switch. To get out of the problem in which you find yourself, you are resorting to changing definitions. Suggesting that most accountants are good mathematicians is not the equivalent of suggesting that most members of UPC churches hardly if ever read the Bible. The assertion about accountants is definitional. Accountants MUST study mathematics. That is a truism. Your assertion about UPC reading habits is no truism.
I can say that most UPCers rarely read God's Word the same way I can say most gang members rarely read God's Word. Now, many gang members may disagree, but their disagreement is insubstantial to me. When unregenerate people study Scripture, it's to fulfill a specific objective, e.g. to fill their quiver with arrows to shoot at ignorant Christians, or just to improve their life, but never in submission to the Lordship of Christ. Such utilization of Scripture requires minimal time.
@Davertin Well, given this new "gang member" diversion, you seem to be comforted knowing that gang members probably don't read much. LOL I still challenge this reasoning, though you've made a gallant effort to prop up your "research". Jesus confronted Pharisees who were steeped in scripture. Did they spend "minimal time" reading? I can imagine Mafia types reading a lot. Ever hear of the Zealots? They read. You trinitarian gangsters read. I'm sure. Will you ever stop attacking, gangsta?
@Davertin So, trinity gangster, we Oneness people are busy "filling [our] quivers" to shoot at ignorant Christians or to "improve [our] lives". Those seem good to me, though I would have preferred a "sword sharpening" metaphor to the quiver filling one. So you think Oneness people are particularly adept at filling quivers for no good reason, Dave? So no amount of reading will help Oneness people since they have not received Jesus as Lord? Jesus is God the Father Incarnate, Dave. What say ye?
@Davertin Another "bait and switch". Now you're altering your orignial premise, redefining reading as something qualitative rather than as something quantitative, your original issue. Even if the ones you accuse spent 12 hours a day reading, the hours spent wouldn't represent "quality time", would they, Dave. LOL. It sounds like you're someone's wife, Dave! "You don't spend any quality time with me any more! Wah!" No matter how many hours Oneness people spent reading, its "insubstantial"?
@Davertin You do not sound like an honest man to me. You sound intelligent. If you didn't, I could chalk up these comments to ignorance. I don't think you are. You say that you are "more than qualified to speak authoritatively, even if I hadn't ever lived with them". My goodness. How would you draw the conclusion that "most of them are poor readers". Really, you should rather use words like "some of them". You speak of the "knowledge cake". Interesting metaphor. Sounds tasty.
@Davertin I think what you are trying to say is that you think Oneness Theology is wrong. Fine. Therefore, you assume that its adherents probably don't read very much or well. Great. It's a free country. There's no death threat for things like this outside Muslim countries. Is that it? If it is, I think you are dealing with your problem opposite the way similar problems are normally approached by most people. You are beginning with your conclusion and ending with your assertion.
@Davertin So what you have paid attention to all this while is your "knowledge icing", eh? I guess you have a sweet tooth. :) So get to the cake, man. What is that you disagree with in Oneness theology? Do you care to tackle the idea I offered that the Bible DOES NOT EVEN MENTION any "God the Son"? The phrase is nowhere to be found. Trinitarians MADE IT UP! Wow! How about that piece of cake for starters? Does that qualify as Biblical revelation for you?
@Davertin You said, The knowledge cake doesn't come from experience, but rather through Biblical revelation of the unregenerate's mentality." I think it would be better for you to think "both/and" rather than "either/or". Knowledge comes in the context of human experience AND regeneration of the individual by God's Spirit. God and man meet in a saving encounter. God approaches us in and through our experiences. He changes us in these contexts. The "knowledge cake" does come via experience.
@Davertin You said, "Apostates with petty regard for Scripture have no power or true desire to keep God's Word, hence they can't and don't." So then come back to the faith of the One God, brother. Begging the question seems to work for you. You get to assume Oneness people are apostates & then draw the conclusion that they have "petty regard for Scripture". I could employ circular reasoning similarly. Instead of resorting to ad hominem, argue ideas. I've offered some. Respond.
@Davertin You trinitarians are the ones who don't want to keep God's word. You defile it like the devil, twisting "son of God" into "God the Son". You ignore its direct teaching in favor of high-sounding doctrines of an age of sophistry. You cast aside the direct words of God which refer to God's PERSON. Over the language of scripture you exalt words of your doctrines of men which talk about God's "Persons". How shameful. Your accusation against Oneness doctrine is fascist propaganda.
@Davertin Don't hide behind "I wish I knew what you were talking about". Aren't you an intellectual giant like your mentor? Now you are misquoting me, I suspect to your advantage to bolster your pride. I did not say "intellectual witticism". I said "intellectualist witticism". You appear to be an intellectualist, someone who proudly values the intellect above all else. You are due a post modern come-uppance. Your charge about words at random having only poetic value is...POETIC.
My belief is that God is multi dimensional which makes it difficult for us in this 3d place to understand. God must be every dimension that exists otherwise He could not have created them all and therefore He could be in every place at once. The creator is greater than the creation. God is truly mind blowing!
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UPC is messed up dude.
mccartherable 1 week ago
Do you believe the man Jesus Christ is fully God, fully man, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient?
ChristianityForReal 1 month ago
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ChristianityForReal 1 month ago
I've been praying to God that if His nature can be understood if He would reveal it to me. This "Oneness" is what I've been urged by the Spirit. I didn't even know there was a doctrine about it. But if we have a personal relationship with Christ on earth, then in Heaven we'll have a personal face-to-face relationship as well. How can God do that with everyone? Omnipresence! And that is the answer to the Father/Son/Spirit seeming to be separate. They are not - they are ONE through omnipresence!
beckabecks 2 months ago
I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Why can't the one God of Deut. 6:4 manifest himself as 3 persons simultaneously? Is anything too hard for God? After seeing Origen's use of Plato's middle triadic schema in the development of the trinity embraced by Roman Catholicism I had to chose between the three who are one (literally) and the three in one. I chose the former based on Isa.13:6; 9:6; 44:6,8; 45:15 and Rev1:8,11,17;19:12; Deut.10:17; Psa.136:3; Rev,19:16. Check the references out.
mwilson70201 2 months ago
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Jew for Jesus, The Shema D6:4, has 3 names for God with three parts while Rabbi pray with three fingers making the Hebrew character Shin. In Hebrew from the OT Elohim(Gods) used 2400+ vs El(God) used 200+. Why would God of Israel use plural when talking about himself 2000 vs 200? Jesus said in M 28 19 Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
MrHellowwww1 3 months ago
Where in the New testament did any of the Apostles instruct any one that they had to believe in the Trinity to be saved?
ltucker9 4 months ago
By John MacArthur's standard, how many true Christians do we know during the First 300 years of Christianity? A handfull.
1MoreMuslim 4 months ago
My name is Steven DeNoon I am an Author of the book "Israel Are They Still God's People"It is interesting to see your position on who Jesus is and even women. I haven't till recently posted You Tube Videos but I am starting now. we have remarkably similar views. I have a very strong command of the Hebrew Language and I will soon post He Jesus really is from a perspective of Jews that will recognize Him as who He really is. email me IsraelReturns@aol.com
BenDeNoon 5 months ago
According to what John MacArthur says on this clip he doesn't have any idea what oneness theologians believe. Another thing, can anyone tell me where in the Bible it says u have to undersand the full nature of the Godhead to be saved? This comes from the same ppl who say that as longs as person believes that Jesus is the son of God (which oneness ppl do believe just not in the same way as Trinitarians) and believe that he died for my sins then I'm saved and nothing can seperate me from Christ.
2kstinson 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Jesus said before Abraham was I am, the God of the OT went by that name...now are you saying that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were saying these things? And, is God a government similar to our government? Which are coequal, yet they have are three separate branches and each has it's own "responsibilities" to fulfill. Yet and still they all combine their responsibilities to form the one true God, but with three distinct personalities?
dboydustin 6 months ago
Who really cares what John McArthur says?
lidil100 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Jesus Christ.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@Strefanasha Do you believe that Jesus is a member of the Godhead?
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic As for further answers, you FAIL...EPICALLY...to understand Jesus's dual nature as God and man when you claim that since He referred to "Father" He is not the Father when Isaiah 9:6 (a verse abused by evil Satan worshippers like you and Jehovah's Witnesses and Unitarian sects) He must not be the Father. Son - CAPITALIZED! It is capitalized to denote Jesus as...GOD! Since we are all children of God, then male Christians could likewise be considered sons of God.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic If you want to deny the distinction of Jesus as man and He as God (for the Father was in Him), that's not my problem. But to do so is to suggest that God hungers, thirsts, and tires, as well as prays to Himself. The distinction MUST be maintained, otherwise the line between God and man becomes blurred. But in saying that, humanity and divinity were absolutely united and unified as one in Christ - yet retain their distinctions!
OneTruthFinder 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Nup, not logical. And a complete disregard to Jesus as man. You acknowledge Jesus as a man, but you don't recognize Him as one. When Jesus prays as a man does unto His God, you say it's the second person praying to the first person of the trinity. You completely misunderstand that this is simply Jesus as a man praying to God. Nothing more, nothing less. If this wasn't Him as a man praying and speaking of His God, then He's nothing more than a charade - He's not really fully man.
OneTruthFinder 6 months ago
Trinity is rock solid. I will *never* abandon trinitarian doctrine as long as I am a christian.
I don't care who or what stands against the Trinity.
But neither will I try to undertand the Trinity. To do so leads to heresy, EVERY TIME.
If light is both a wave and a particle stream, (when both notions seem mutually exclusive) if quantum physics is true, then there is mystery and paradox in nature. Why not so in the Godhead Himself?
Strefanasha 6 months ago
There are many mentally ill and also ignorant believers saved despite their knowledge of the trinity.According to John God saves with understanding and intellectual consent of the trinity, impossible.
polopowers1 6 months ago
BIBLE says remission of sins is the shedding of blood. Why not be babtized?
Luke 24;45-48 He suffered and died so you could.
Acts 2-38 Peter has the keys andhe told you too
Acts10-43 It s a promise you well recieve it.
Heb 9-22 its why he shed his blood for us.
Heb 10-18 Last offering for sin
2222pauline 6 months ago
mabye whoever posted this video should start reading their bible for spiritual growth instead of using it to attack other believers. if u dont like what johnny mac has to say about your irreverent silly myths (1 Tim 4:7) dont listen to him. trust me when i say this we dont listen to you
adambradley21 6 months ago
@MrHellowwww1 And the trinity is logical? How 3 "persons", who act like 3 gods, yet are all the one and same God? I can tell you now, the only version of oneness you know is the misunderstood, false, heretical one spread from trinitarian to trinitarian.
OneTruthFinder 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Thanks for information. I will check it. Logically, Oneness is false so far unless it has been redefined by another.
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic - LOL ??. The only true colors here are the colors of MacArthur (Matt. 7:15) and your own (2nd Peter vs 1). Read them carefully-they are your present and future. Your job is done? Really? No. As is the fate of the false prophet, MacArthur will be forced to preach his "sermons" of hate and greed for an eternity tied to a sulfur pulpit, unable to stop or rest-an eternal loop.- You and his disciples will be forced to sit amongst the demons, forced to listen to him for an eternity,
rickw1100 7 months ago
@rickw1100 Come on Ricky no need to show your fangs and horns anymore.....lol
MrTrinityisone 7 months ago
@MrTrinityisone - LOL!! C'mon, hiding behind a "fake" channel. Hmmm... it was created on? Yesterday! LOL ! -what a coincidence! Pathetic. cowardly, stupid, and preaching a Gospel other than the one taught by Christ. Read ( 2nd Peter, vs 1 ) again.- I'm glad you have attached yourself so tightly to John MacArthur- you'll have an eternity to listen to his "sermon"- just as it says in scipture- over and over and over again. The false prophet and his disciples "together forever" with the demons..
rickw1100 7 months ago
@rickw1100 I'm not hiding from anyone. I notice how rude you were and commented on it. ...lol I personally don't know anything about JM.
MrTrinityisone 7 months ago
@MrTrinityisone- Don't be upset- MacArthur's fans often hide- just like they lie,- just as he does. Just remember, John MacArthur is the living embodiment of Matt: 7:15. -Look to Christ-not false prophetS. Nice try.
rickw1100 7 months ago
@rickw1100 dude! If I were a fan of JM I would say so.
MrTrinityisone 7 months ago
@MrTrinityisone Dude!!! Never mind. Look to Christ. Stay away from false prophets and charlatans- you'll be a lot happier.
rickw1100 7 months ago
@rickw1100 ok..wow! lol
MrTrinityisone 7 months ago
@MrTrinityisone LOL ! Wow. ok.
rickw1100 7 months ago
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@MrTrinityisone Again, nice try.
rickw1100 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic LOL !! You wouldn't understand scriptural exegesis or scriptural text within context if it bit you in your ignorant ass. A commentary? Duh-Whats that? One more time... John MacArthur ( and those of his followers) are the living examples of Matt 7 :15 - Your reward ? Look it up. The false prophet must preach his "sermon" to the demons on a continuous loop, unable to stop, for eternity. You (his follower) must sit with the demons applauding him for an eternity. Have fun....
rickw1100 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic -Whats "interesting" is that you do not even know how to spell the word exegesis.Here we go- e x e g e s i s. If you are actually interested in this portion of Matt. then invest in a commentary.I have one. They are good to have. Maybe if you actually studied scripture instead of reveling in your ignorance, you wouldn't have MacArthur as your guru. Don't claim Christ as your Savior if you are going to turn Christianity into a stupid superstition. Start loving the poor. Try it.
rickw1100 7 months ago
Jesus said the Father forsaken him, so either Jesus. Jesus flesh, or the image of God lied because Jesus was just a man/flesh/not God, or Jesus was God and had a Father who was God which forsaken him. Matthew 27:46 I will not be offend if you can logically defeat it.
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Is Jesus going to be their Judge? Two more things, evil always laughs at good like bully and his target or in the movies. Jesus was a Jew, so the UPC doctrine is lacking. My Jewish friend is a master of words and debate, so they are very purposeful with their words.
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Check out any Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Jewish Voices, and many other Messianic Jewish Group which believe in the Trinity. Why would they believe? All of them know Hebrew better than me and maybe you but believe in 3 are 1 or the Trinity. In the spirit of brotherly love
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic If you want to believe in Oneness, that is your choice, but would you be offend if I logical defeat UPC doctrine. Jesus is name and belief we have in common. God has graced me with Jewish friend, so I understand the Bible in very Jewish and Christian way. God does not need me to explain anything, An example would be the Shema has three names for God in the first verse with three parts while the Rabbi pray with three fingers making Hebrew character Shin.
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Read Matt 25, 31-46. Read it very very slowly for yourself. Your "master" will never preach it-he cannot. It exposes and convicts him.
rickw1100 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Read Gal. 1 :8 . You have chosen to follow a false prophet. John MacArthur. His corrupt biblical teachings are antithetical to the Gospel Of Jesus A real Christian cares enough to tell others the truth. Please read Matt 25. You are afraid of the Truth regarding this man's fundamentalist sect. Be honest enough to read the Bible and see this charlatan's lies.
rickw1100 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic I know the Truth hurts, I'm sorry. Please reread Gal 1:8. Flee this man-look to Christ.
rickw1100 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Matt 13:13 was written for those like yourself. The Gospel couldn't be clearer, Jesus calls us to clothe the naked and feed the hungry-MacArthur never speaks of this- because it challenges his greed. Instead he deliberately tries to pull attention away from this -focusing instead, attention on ridiculous arguments about trekkers or yoga. He is a truly false prophet. You worship him because the true Gospel shames you. Your reward will be joining MacArthur in Hell,- Gal 1:8.
rickw1100 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic John MacArthur and those like him are clearly spoken about by Jesus in both Matt 7:15 and in Gal.1:8.- Stop worshiping him and turn to Christ or you will share his fate.
rickw1100 7 months ago
What this video fails to do is show that MONOTHEISM is UNITARIANISM.
October31st1517 7 months ago
If Jesus as God the Father and Spirit died all Virtue and attribute of God died with Him.This is impossible Jesus was distinct One in Spirit with Father and Spirit perpetually even on the cross. He died as a Man of flesh never distinctly as the Son in Spirit One with Father and Spirit perpetually. Oneness theology and trinitarian theology are both wrong on this topic that God died, God never died or Virtue and Attribute ceases. Jesus though fully God One in Spirit distinct. Died as a Man.
polopowers1 7 months ago
John Mac Arthur is a false prophet. Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ !
rickw1100 7 months ago
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OMG there is 3 Gods the Father Son and Holy Spirit
pmorales8503 7 months ago
I have no problem whatever with the UPC believing in Jesus only. His IS
the only name under heaven by which mankind can be saved. However
while the vast majority of UPC people show the true mark of being
disciples of Jesus: showing love to one-another, now and then you
come across religious people who use "Oneness" as a hateful way
to beat fellow believers over the head.
This is WRONG- just as wrong as poor Dr. Martin attempting to
DEBATE, (a sin in itself), other believers in Jesus.
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
The devil laughs at God. Evil always laugh at the Good in the movies. This is like bully laughing at the weak. What would Jesus say about? By the way, you prove your faith. Go to Jews for Jesus or any Messianic Jewish group, what do they believe/?
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
Believing in multiple persons of God is idolatry. Job 13:6-11
quest2381 7 months ago
LOL!!! I could really relate to the Data laugh. It's funny when those trinitarians scream out that I dunno their doctrine when I really do (to the extent that anyone can understand it), and then they ironically misrepresent my position.
Keep up the good work, brother.
OneTruthFinder 7 months ago
so you can believe that God is a cat & be saved by that idol or do you have to actually know the true nature of God?
saintstrawman 7 months ago
I KEEP GETTING BLOCKED by trinity videos that can t handle --> TRUTH
just ONE GOD and his name is EMMANUEL in ENGLISH we call HIM---> JESUS
2222pauline 8 months ago
ONE GOD--NOT god the 3rd begat -god the 2nd- for god the 1st.
GOD right there in the FLESH and we nailed Him to a CROSS.
LOOK-up the History of your BLOOD SOAKED trinity Social CLUB who were they KILLing and WHY ?
GOD didn t send his little boy to DIE--> HE did it HIMSELF- GOD IN THE FLESH.
2222pauline 8 months ago
Interesting quote about what God can do. But the question is not what CAN God do? It is what is the truth about God? God could have not created teh Earth. But the truth is that he did. So the quote really falls flat.
MrBlackhaw 9 months ago
MacArthur does not deny the Omnipresence of God, or that Jesus & the Father are 'One,' however, what Oneness Theology doesn't comprehend is that there are three separate 'Persons' in 'One' God. Deuteronomy 6 says that God is 'One,' which is the same Hebrew word to describe marriage in Genesis, the TWO shall become 'One' - two 'persons,' but 'One' in spirit & union. Matthew 28:19 describe that Oneness of God, & Matthew 3 describe the Father, Son, & HS in 3 places at once. Jesus also prayed TO God
BornAgainRN 11 months ago
@BornAgainRN All your arguments are really shallow in nature. Distinctions of God is Biblical. "Persons" is a wrong interpretation of that. "Echad" in Deut 6:4 is also the same word to denote something to be one indivisible unit. Don't take one use of it and run away with it. The version of Matt 28:19 today is most likely an altered one of the original.In any case, the baptism in the name of Jesus is the only one evident throughout Acts.Therefore the one name is Jesus. Jesus as man prayed to God
OneTruthFinder 7 months ago
@BornAgainRN Also noticed your highly incorrect use of the word "separate" to denote the distinction of "persons". This is trinitarian error 101, and I lol every time it happens, cause you ALL do it. In your doctrine, to use the word is to challenge the unity of God. You are meant to use the word "distinction". Seems as though I, as a Oneness Pentecostal, know your doctrine better than you do. I know your Greek-derived philosophy of "three hypostasis" and "one ousia", and I know it doesn't stick
OneTruthFinder 7 months ago
@OneTruthFinder , (sigh) one thing I have noticed on You Tube, FB, etc., is that everyone is convinced that "their" interpretation is the correct one. We all try to go back to the original Hebrew, Aramaic, & Greek to support our position. What I have found is that no matter what support you use to show someone of the most literal view of Scripture, if they are set in THEIR understanding of the meaning of Scripture, it is highly unlikely they will be convinced otherwise. God bless!
BornAgainRN 7 months ago
Why are you people (Mr. ProphecyChannel) so quick to ignore proper hermeneutical reading of the Bible? Why are you so quick to take your little study "Right Hand Of God" and then filter all your understanding through your understanding of the "Right Hand Of God"???
Theologically you ignore historical understanding going back to the apostles
00Gladiator1 1 year ago
If you don't believe in your anus, Mr. MacArthur, then you don't believe in your trinity and its "God the Son" since that's where you've derived your doctrine of the trinity. Now does that make sense to you? I hope not. Neither do your charges concerning Oneness doctrine. People not believing in your anus has nothing to do with their believing in God. "Trinity" has nothing to do with God. It does have to do with your anus, however, a feature so many of your precursors employ similarly.
jhall38 1 year ago
Why would God need to "be" a son to us? No! We would never relate to God as our son! How foolish. That sounds like some morphed doctrine of Mariology, with Mary as God's mother. Who are we to ever think of God as our child?! That is sinful! No, We pray to God, saying, "Our Father", not "Our Son". If sonship were a quality of divinity, then God would relate to us as our son. The man Jesus related to God as HIS son. He didn't teach us to call God "Our Son". Jesus is not "God the Son".
jhall38 1 year ago
I made a mistake. John accuses the United Pentecostals of teaching that "[God] never gets to be all three at the same time" This is a 4th argument.. Oneness people do hold to the idea that there is no such thing as "God the Son". They do not deny the Father, the son of God nor the Holy Ghost., but they mean that God is no one's son. God HAD a son. He is not a son. There is no such thing as "God the Son" in the Bible. Sonship is a quality of humanity. But Jesus is not only God's son.
jhall38 1 year ago
The third charge Mac makes is that Oneness people teach that "[God] gets to be the Holy Spirit for a while". Do Oneness people teach this? No one in his or her right mind would say this, not a Bible believer at least. God IS the Holy Spirit. He doesn't "get to be" the Holy Spirit "for a while". Foolish Mac!
jhall38 1 year ago
The second charge Mac makes is that Oneness people teach "then [God] gets to be Christ for a while". Do they, you intellectual giants? Well, do they? What a damnable doctrine it would be if they taught such a foolish, evil thing. If they did, well, I guess that would make Mac appear quite smart. Perhaps that's why he set up the STRAW MAN.
jhall38 1 year ago
Let's examine John's accusation of Oneness doctrine in its three damning aspects. If Oneness people teach, as Mac says, " God is [pause] God for a while", this would surely be a damnable doctrine. Do Oneness people teach that "God is God for a while?" Think about it. How foolish.
jhall38 1 year ago
Macarther's argument regarding Oneness doctrine is a STRAW MAN. He only props the foolish thing up so he can knock it down. No believer in his or her right mind would repeat the awful, lying doctrine of which John accuses them. Utter silliness! There is one God. He is a Spirit. He is Holy. He relates to us as our Father. Our God is ONE Person according to Hebrews 1. God is always God, NEVER a man. Our Father God put Himself FULLY in the body of a man, His son, but was still omnipresent.
jhall38 1 year ago
Here is John MacArthur's lie: "United Pentecostals who are called the Jesus Only who believe in a kind of modalism, where God is [pause] God for a while then He gets to be Christ for a while and He gets to be the Holy Spirit for a while but He never gets to be all three at the same time." How silly. Of course it is a badge of honor to be called "Jesus Only". Thank God. There is only ONE NAME given among men whereby we must be saved. The rest he says is Satan's ruse to deceive. For shame!
jhall38 1 year ago
Your argument wouldn't have impressed Jesus, oh wise, educated one. In the end he said, men would compass sea and land to make proselytes and in so doing would make them twice children of HELL. The fact that John has made a proselyte in you means little, or even that it may have taken him 40 years and hours a day to do it. Not that you are a child of hell or twice one. That's between you and your "God the Son" Person, not found in the Bible John has so arduously studied for 40 years.
jhall38 1 year ago
Our one God is a Spirit. He is Holy. We call Him the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our Father. There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. He is ONE PERSON, according to Hebrews 1 (his divine Person, not "persons"). This one God, the Creator of all things, put Himself in the body of a man He made, the man Christ Jesus. Jesus was NOT "God the Son". (There is no such expression found in the Bible.) He was the "Son of God" as a man. But He was God by virtue of the Spirit manifest in Him.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38 Amen
ProphecyChannel 1 year ago
OR
How do you ex plane
Jesus being baptized,....
He came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
This video is more and Anti MacArthur hit piece
00Gladiator1 1 year ago
@00Gladiator1 Its explained very easily. You are looking at it from a Trinitarian perspective rather than as it states. The Bible says NOTHING about this being a demonstration of the Trinity. What a revelation that would have been to the Jews, who believed in only one person of God. However, not a one gasped at this revelation...it wasn't even mentioned. Why? I've answered it already here beginning at 5:40
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ProphecyChannel 1 year ago
Hold on ProphecyChannel your making a serious accusation here and you're simple little video only blows wind into the old ancient heresy!
Are you saying that God is suffering with a multiple personality disorder?
How can Jesus be sitting at the right Hand of The Father, that is TWO People next to Each Other?
00Gladiator1 1 year ago
@00Gladiator1 Please do a study on the "Right Hand Of God" and you will answer all of your questions. Its a rather interesting topic...and metaphorical. You will not find a theologian worth a grain of salt that says otherwise.
ProphecyChannel 1 year ago
@ProphecyChannel I've read on several reknown and respected commentators and their descriptions on the "Right Hand". It denotes Christ' place of honor and splendor with God. In Acts 7:55, Where Stephen looked or gazed into heaven, is denoted as Stephen seeing with the corporeal eye the ascended Christ in His role as mediator between God and Man, which Christ still sits in denoting, not a difference but a distinction. Stephen saw God's glory as in a great light of splendor but Christ bodily
FitnessMinded 7 months ago
@00Gladiator1 it actually is not. Or, you would be saying you (a) believe in 2 gods or (b) Jesus is not God. Are you saying you believe in multiple gods?
jesusblogger 1 year ago
@00Gladiator1 You're ASSUMING unitarianism. Can you show me from the bible that God is 1 Person?
October31st1517 7 months ago
The Father is the Son? And the support is because God is omnipresent? The Spirit dwells in believers, are they now the Father? Why does Jesus refer to himself distinct from the Father if He is the Father? For illustrative purposes on submission to God? And John 14 seems to provide the perfect place for Jesus to come out and say, "Hey, I AM the Father," yet He doesn't.I've already read the documents of the first 5 church councils, do you have anything to add, or is it the same old heresy?Ecc. 1:9
JohnoPete 1 year ago
@JohnoPete No, the Father is IN the Son. Jesus is God AND man. It is this duality that causes trinitarians confusion. Jesus spoke from both parts. He prayed from His humanity in the garden. Trinitarianism says there is no conflict of will in all three "persons" of God, yet Jesus said "not MY will be done but YOUR will." That's conflict of will UNLESS it was the humanity praying. Therefore we can see that it was not another PERSON praying. Now look at Scripture with that in mind.
ProphecyChannel 1 year ago
@JohnoPete God is our Father, John. He is Holy. He is a Spirit. Our Father is a Spirit. He does not "have" a Spirit or "relate" to a Spirit. He IS the Holy Spirit. God is NOT a son, John. Why would God need to be a son? (Why the need for the sophist's invention in that non-Biblical phrase, "God the Son"?) God is NO ONE'S son. We NEVER call on God like this, "Oh, our Son!" NO!!! We say, "Oh, our Father!" God relates to us as our Father, not as our son...On to the Incarnation...
jhall38 1 year ago
@JohnoPete God made a man, John, the man Christ Jesus. He put Himself FULLY in that man, John. This man was known as "the son of God", even though trinitarians have perverted that phrase using a clever trick most don't notice. They have changed "son of God" into "God the Son". You might think there is' no difference, but oh, the world is in that difference, John. God's reconciliation with the world is in that difference, John. God was IN His only begotten son, the son of the Father, a man!
jhall38 1 year ago
The primary defense of oneness theology is that God is omnipresent. Therefore the Father was in the Son during the passion. But this in someway means Christ is not his own distinct person? Are we therefore the Father since He exists in us givin this view of omnipresence? Now I fully believe John 14, but if Jesus is here teaching that He is the Father, why does He seem so distinct in person? It seems that Jesus could have been more clear on the issue if the Father is the Son.
JohnoPete 1 year ago
@JohnoPete The above answers this question
ProphecyChannel 1 year ago
@ProphecyChannel
You seem like a pretty rational guy, which is a bit of an oddity among UPC types (I can tell after having debated many of them).
Just out of curiosity, do you believe that baptism is necessary for salvation? I know that's a common Oneness doctrine.
ObjectiveBob 1 year ago
@ObjectiveBob
Yes, he does believe that baptism is necessary. I too and a rational guy and you have to keep in mind, not all Oneness are UPC, nor are all UPC stuck up. Its the same in the Trinitarian circle, there are also stuck people there to that are hard to talk to.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 1 year ago
@FalseTrinityDoctrine
Good. So I hope you will have a rational discussion with me on the subject of baptism and salvation.
The Bible constantly tells us that we are saved by faith. Some examples are:
John 5:24; Acts 10:43, 11:17; Rom. 3:28-30, 4:5, 5:1, 9:30, 10:4, 11:6; Gal. 2:16, 21, 3:5-6, 3:24; Eph. 2:8-9; Phil. 3:9; 1 John 5:13; 1 Peter 2:6, 7
If baptism is necessary for salvation, why is it that none of these scriptures mention it as a requirement to receive salvation?
ObjectiveBob 1 year ago
@ObjectiveBob
If you would like to debate, i would like to do it by video blogging so that everyone can see it. Like if you made a video and upload it to your channel, i can download it and put our vids together so that everyone can see the debate but if you don't want to do this, its fine. God Bless
FalseTrinityDoctrine 1 year ago
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ObjectiveBob 1 year ago
@FalseTrinityDoctrine
why would you prefer to debate that way? what's wrong with a written exchange?
ObjectiveBob 1 year ago
@ObjectiveBob
Looking for someone to debate with via video so that others can see but like i said, if not, its cool.
FalseTrinityDoctrine 1 year ago
@FalseTrinityDoctrine
I don't have the time nor means to do a video exchange. I get that you want to do that, but my questions remains unanswered: what's wrong with a written exchange? You might even use it as preparation for a future video debate.
ObjectiveBob 1 year ago
@ObjectiveBob
We could have written dialog, i don't mind that, i was just making a suggestion. So whenever you are ready, just send me a message :)
FalseTrinityDoctrine 1 year ago
@JohnoPete There is one God, John. The Jews knew this one God as "Father" because He spoke & acted towards them as a father, creating them, caring for them, loving them. God relates to us as our Father, John. God is our Father. God is a Spirit, John. He does not "possess" or "relate" to a spirit, as if He could hold it at arm's length and relate to it. He IS a Spirit. "Is", not "has" or "relates". Holiness is His attribute, John. God IS the Holy Spirit. God is One Person, John (Heb.1)
jhall38 1 year ago
@JohnoPete Trinitarians violate the Incarnation, John. God the Father put Himself in the body of a man. He was manifest in the flesh, John. Jesus is not "God the Son". He is the son of God, born of the virgin Mary, indwelt by God the Father Who we know as the Holy Spirit. He was oh so much more than the son of God, since God was in Him FULLY. The man Jesus related to His Father as a child would do. Yet when we call on Jesus, Who is that comes to us? God our Father, the Spirit of Jesus.
jhall38 1 year ago
@JohnoPete I call on all you Trinitarians to call on Jesus! I challenge you to obey the scriptures and do EVERYTHING in His name. He is Lord over all. There is no other Lord, no other God, no other Spirit, no other Father. We have but one Father. We have but one Savior. His name is JESUS. You can call on Him in any language. He hears His name and comes to His children who call from their spirits, "ABBA!" Jesus is your Father, John. If you are his child, believe it & receive it.
jhall38 1 year ago
I don't believe in religion. But for people to openly say, that because you do not believe in a certain religion that you do not know your "god" is purely, for lack of a better phrase, fucked up.
DaveooDoes 1 year ago
James says the God is ONE. That's it... I'm not listening to human beings anymore. Teologians create division, they mutilate the body of Christ. The Bible says to believe in Jesus in order to be saved... that's it...
coolestmcse 1 year ago
I'm Oness, and I do not believe in modalism...that is a misrepresentation of what we believe.
LSPNUEMA 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid if i had a loaded gun, i'd let that speak for me you demon led piece of trash.
anewdayproductions 1 year ago
@aTrueHybrid you are an absolute fool. enjoy your stay in hell you worthless heretic.
anewdayproductions 1 year ago
John MacArthur gives an excellent answer, and you can find his biblical exegesis on such doctrines from his webpage. Star track and UPC websites don't mean squat as support for this new wave of sabelianism.
jjmeyer79 1 year ago
Heresy. pure and simple.
Billthesheepdog 1 year ago
Or...Oneness Theology (as you call it) is misrepresenting scripture? Just a thought.
OxBrosConsulting 1 year ago
i cannot understand why there is someone on startrek laughing...............
bizzarreangel 1 year ago
UPCI is a cult, end of story. I visited one of those nut places once. Sad really.
jjmeyer79 1 year ago
The Christians were considered a cult by many Roman Pagans and Jews. The definition of cult is simply a religious group whose beliefs differ from that of the majority of society. That comment highlights your ignorance.
BrotherMurray 1 year ago
heresy is what it is, apostolic heresy along with upci and david the heretic bernard you deny the trinity, you deny the deity, your weak if you thought the video was strong affirmation, it is like the devil laughing in Christ face,ill pray for you ,that GOds conviction the oneness shows you that it is crap
reformedbro1 1 year ago
There is only one God the Father and only one Son of God, Jesus, and one Holy Spirit. These add up to three but there is only one God, who is the Father of Jesus. When the bible says these three are one, it means they are in agreement. Jesus did not some how swallow up God the Father and cause him to cease to exist.
stop the heresy, oneness either they are not saved or they are decieved or both! pray for them
reformedbro1 1 year ago
CITIZENS - United States of AMERICA:
If YOU LOVE YOUR COUNTRY why aren't you SEEKING TRUTH?
RESEARCH:
- Who attacked the USS Liberty & blamed Egypt
- Who really murdered Presidents Abraham Lincoln & John F. Kennedy?
- Why did Lincoln create the "GREENBACKS?"
- Why does President Andrew Jackson have etched into his Grave Stone "I KILLED THE BANK?"
- Who owns the Federal Reserve & how many times has US government given them a contract?
- Who Really Created the HOLOCAUST and made it a HOLOHOAX?
SiNaoia 1 year ago 6
@Jesusisposttrib
THe trinity is ONE & SAME
YoLuvIn 1 year ago 7
...John MacArthur Does NOT KNOW GOD!!!
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WE ARE ALL ONE WITH EACH OTHER, GOD & THE UNIVERSE... I YOU, YOU ME!
Ones Pain Suffering and Hurt is ALL OUR PAIN SUFFERING & HURT... NO 2 WAYS ABOUT IT...
That is what Jesus meant when he said "TURN THE OTHER CHEEK!"
GODS PRESENCE Permeates Saturates all manifestation... Birds Bees Trees Animals Reptiles HUMEN...etc. The Bible is wrong "GOD never gave man dominion over the land & the creatures...Man is no more no less than the creatures!!!"
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SiNaoia 1 year ago 6
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OMNIPRESENCE; GODS LAWS & THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE DO NOT CONTRADICT!
If I hurt you I am hurting myself... Your Pain is my Pain, EVEN if I don't know you b/c you might be on the other end of the earth.... WE ARE ALL ONE!!!
When the World Bank goes to South America and Swindle their government into Humongous LOANS & when they can't pay it back they manipulate the natural resources of that country out of the hands of the indigenous people leaving the people to starve & suffer THAT IS SINFUL
SiNaoia 1 year ago 12
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The SWINDLERS are 1 in a million but everyone suffers even the swindler b/c WE ARE ALL ONE... 99% of the population on earth are in DENSITY so they/we don't cognize TRUTH.
"THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND" --Jesus Christ
WAKE UP!!! WORLD!!! You are Dieing in your SLEEP by the BLIND who control the MONEY!!!
"He who controls the Money controls the Country!" -- Mayer Amschel Bauer aka Rothschild
THEY OWN FEDERAL RESERVE & they have been sucking us DRY. International Bankers Control the world
SiNaoia 1 year ago 11
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I AM a Spirit B E I N G manifested mundanely as a Woman here to have mental emotional & physical experiences that WILL allow me to grow & unfold in Divine Order!!! This planet Earth is a Divine Creation for those experiences therefore "LIGHT LOVE LIFE & LIBERTY" is our Divine RIGHT!!!
NO ONE Human should be allowed to Coerce & Manipulate the lives of TRILLIONS OF HUMAN B E I N G S manifested on Earth for Greed, Power & Wealth & do it in the Name of god...!
EGO TESTICAL MEGALOMANIACS!!!
SiNaoia 1 year ago 12
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EGO TESTICAL MEGALOMANIACS are men who have no concept of DIVINITY b/c they are in their EGO thinking they are GOD!!!
They have mastered the MANIPULATION OF HUMANS FOR SELFISH GRATIFICATION.
The Money changers... in the house of god ... Jesus was furious & threw their tables asunder & condemned them for their EVIL ways... HE SPOKE TRUTH & was murdered. When they crucified him he never contradicted himself, instead he forgave.
Murdering HUMANITARIANS & TRUTH Speakers continue even today
SiNaoia 1 year ago 11
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Jaime Roldos Ahuilera of Ecuador, Omar Torrijos of Panama, Ghandi of India, Presidents Abraham Lincoln & JFK.
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These are just a few Names of Human Beings who manifested mundanely to help HUMANITY & the Money Changers of their day murdered them & covered it up. Hitler another Victim of the Money Changers... Sure he was not perfect but he didn't stir the Holocaust at least not alone... Look to the Zionist Bankers & Leaders... Holocaust was their Trump card for LAND to build an EMPIRE... NWO
SiNaoia 1 year ago 9
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SiNaoia must be the pride of the Jew haters. They are the finest examples of mindless morons posting incoherent anti-Semitc rubbish here. I am sure the more literate goose-steppers cringe when they read the incomprehensible rants that these invertebrates post.
CacsaMMA 1 year ago
@CacsaMMA
A ZioNazi Creep who goes through my FAVORITES in my CHANNEL & STALKS ME!
A RACIST who hate Jews & proudly consider himself ZioNAZI.
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ZioNAZIs kidnapped & holds tostage today the JUDAIC identity as a Spiritual Front to Deceive the World in gods name as they Murder the Indigenous People of Palestine, Kill their Babies & STEAL THEIR LAND!
Than has nerve to call Warriors of TRUTH & JUSTICE Anti-Semitic & Jew Haters.
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ZioNAZI Israeli have no Semitic or Isralite Blood in their veins!
SiNaoia 1 year ago 11
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@SiNaoia, wonders never cease! The IQ challenged SiNaoia demonizing Jews? What a surprise.
CacsaMMA 1 year ago
MAN IS NO MORE NO LESS THAN THE CREATURES OF THE EARTH.
"WILL POWER"... what is that? I know Human have it ... Will POWER is happening whether we are conscious of it or not. Thoughts that come through our individual B E I N G manifest. Unfortunately 90% plus more Humans on Earth are Zombies & channel Negative Evil without even... BEING aware of it!!
But I cannot prove that all B E I N G S manifested does not have it...? Birds, Bees, Trees, Animals, Reptiles, the Universe of the Ocean...?
SiNaoia 1 year ago 3
Heresy
October31st1517 1 year ago
So what was funny?
parakeethands 2 years ago
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Davertin 2 years ago
I was part of the UPCult for 5 years, and will wholeheartedly affirm that carnal, self-seeking, self-righteous people who read their Bibles about 30 minutes a week and rarely pray, are hardly in a position to theologically criticize a time and trial tested, sincere man of God who studies Scripture for 40+ hours a week and fulfills all the pastoral requirements of 1 Timothy and Titus.
Davertin 2 years ago
Its funny how when Trinitarians can not defeat Oneness, they attack the UPC and their bylaws, as if Oneness does not exist apart from the UPC.
I have one word:
ASININE
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
Prayer, especially in the Spirit, is great. Reading the Bible is great. On the other hand, you can be ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth (2 Timothy 3:7).
You can't even square your doctrine with itself. The definitions of the words which make up your doctrine can ONLY lead to contradiction.
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
If he misrepresented anything, he misrepresented heresy, not theology.
In modalism, God can "appear" as all at the same time and communicate with himself (which is ludicrous), but only exists as one, wearing different masks.
He was clearly referring to the Triune distinction within the Godhead when he made the statement in question.
Davertin 2 years ago
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Davertin 2 years ago
Amen, MacArthur.
While the video poster (admitted Star Trek geek) is dilly dallying the day away watching Star Trek reruns and finding new ways to discredit proven men of God, John MacArthur is serving the Body of Christ through diligent study and practical application of God's Word.
Davertin 2 years ago
Uhh, MacArthur's comment was a complete misrepresentation of Oneness belief. Did you listen to the whole video or were you already gearing up to burn someone at the stake?
BrotherMurray 2 years ago
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Again, it is not my practice to debate spiritual issues with carnal men who have repeatedly spurned truth. The moment your deceived heart delighted itself to war against truth after having been presented with enough of it to discern its purity, you exited the realm of sincere, albeit ignorant Christianity, and entered into the diabolical realm of deceptively subtle, sincere, knowledgeable anti-Christianity---interchurch espionage, Satan's most effective weaponry.
Davertin 2 years ago
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Davertin 2 years ago
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When your Bible is only as long as the book of Acts and a few other select passages in Scripture (as is the case with the Apostolic & United Pentecostal cults), puerile understanding and devilish doctrine are inevitable.
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Heb 5:13-14
Davertin 2 years ago
But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand (the Holy Trinity), and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
2 Pet 2:12
But these speak evil of whatever they do not know (the Holy Trinity); and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
Jude 10
Davertin 2 years ago
As I said before, your religion is debate, not Christianity. You serve "being heard", not Jesus Christ.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words...
1 Ti 6:3-4
Davertin 2 years ago 2
@Davertin
NO he is NOT!
SiNaoia 1 year ago 6
@Davertin John MacArthur does not serve God by twisting scripture. He changes scripture to suit the man-made doctrine he loves, changing "son of God" into "God the Son". The latter is NOT found in scripture. Why does John do this? He loves referring to God in terms of "persons" when the only place referring to God as "person" in scripture (Heb. 1) is singular. Why does John love his traditions more than God's word?
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38
It's astounding that someone of a church whose members read the Bible an average of maybe 5 to 30 minutes a week and then don't live by its commands, can say someone who studies the Bible for 30-40 hours a week, has written a massive, multi-volume commentary on it, has preached it for over 40 years, and subsequently lives by its precepts, doesn't love God's Word. Scripture is saturated with preincarnate, e.g. John 1:1, and postincarnate distinctions in the Godhead, e.g. Rev. 5:7.
Davertin 1 year ago
@Davertin It is "astounding" that you have no comment to make about the absence of the expression "God the Son" in scripture. It is moreso that you say nothing regarding the only Biblical reference to God's "Person" as singular, not plural (Hebrews 1). Why does your mentor like teaching "eternal generation", a favorite trinitarian sophistry, an intellecualist witticism, in actuality an absurdity which threatens the blessed doctrine of the Incarnation. God the Father was manfest in flesh.
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin Your mentor misrepresents Oneness doctrines of which he knows little, notwithstanding relatively wee hours spent reading You misrepresent me or else the composer of this video. Do you know me, sir? I don't know you from Adam, except that I can tell you that you were born in sin. I can tell from your words that you don't mind making lying insinuations about people, just like Adam. Your arrogant judgment of my level of education has helped bolster your pride I suspect. A fall comes.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38
I wish I knew what you were talking about. I made one comment which your subsequent responses maintained very little relevance to. Eternal generation: "an intellectual witticism". It seems you're just typing words at random and then collating them afterwards according to poetic value, disregarding proper usage of those words. Also, I said nothing of you personally. I stated an indisputable reality in which I have intimate, experiential knowledge of regarding Jesus-Only churches.
Davertin 1 year ago
@Davertin Here is what you said, sir: "It's astounding that someone of a church whose members read the Bible an average of maybe 5 to 30 minutes a week and then don't live by its commands". You mock me or the Oneness creator of the video, saying our reading is limited to under 30 minutes a week. Further you insinuate that the members of the UPC don't keep God's commands. This of course would be true even of you, but you don't mean it as a confession. You seem to be an accuser.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38
Most "Jesus-Only" folk don't even read Scripture 30 minutes a week; I was being kind with that number. The only time they pick up their Bible is when they're in church, to follow the pastor's teaching, which I would equate with not reading it all. Furthermore, I didn't "insinuate" that UPCers don't keep God's Word; I stated it clearly. Apostates with petty regard for Scripture have no power or true desire to keep God's Word, hence they can't and don't.
Davertin 1 year ago
@Davertin I do not think you are qualified to use the word "most" when speaking of "Jesus-Only" folk. I am sure the circle of your friends and acquaintances has never included "most" Jesus Only folk. Even given your circle of friends & acquaitances, how could your opinions about how they spend their time outside church be authoritative? Have you lived with all these people whose lives you have "glossed over"? Be careful about sitting in judgment of people of whom you know LITTLE..
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38
Nor has my circle of friends and acquaintances included most accountants, yet I can say without hesitation that most accountants are good at mathematics. Nevertheless, I am more than qualified to speak authoritatively, even if I hadn't ever lived with them, but yes, I have lived with them and known them intimately. However, that's just knowledge icing. The knowledge cake doesn't come from experience, but rather through Biblical revelation of the unregenerate's mentality.
Davertin 1 year ago
@Davertin Now you are using another logical trick, bait and switch. To get out of the problem in which you find yourself, you are resorting to changing definitions. Suggesting that most accountants are good mathematicians is not the equivalent of suggesting that most members of UPC churches hardly if ever read the Bible. The assertion about accountants is definitional. Accountants MUST study mathematics. That is a truism. Your assertion about UPC reading habits is no truism.
jhall38 1 year ago
@jhall38
I can say that most UPCers rarely read God's Word the same way I can say most gang members rarely read God's Word. Now, many gang members may disagree, but their disagreement is insubstantial to me. When unregenerate people study Scripture, it's to fulfill a specific objective, e.g. to fill their quiver with arrows to shoot at ignorant Christians, or just to improve their life, but never in submission to the Lordship of Christ. Such utilization of Scripture requires minimal time.
Davertin 1 year ago
@Davertin Well, given this new "gang member" diversion, you seem to be comforted knowing that gang members probably don't read much. LOL I still challenge this reasoning, though you've made a gallant effort to prop up your "research". Jesus confronted Pharisees who were steeped in scripture. Did they spend "minimal time" reading? I can imagine Mafia types reading a lot. Ever hear of the Zealots? They read. You trinitarian gangsters read. I'm sure. Will you ever stop attacking, gangsta?
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin So, trinity gangster, we Oneness people are busy "filling [our] quivers" to shoot at ignorant Christians or to "improve [our] lives". Those seem good to me, though I would have preferred a "sword sharpening" metaphor to the quiver filling one. So you think Oneness people are particularly adept at filling quivers for no good reason, Dave? So no amount of reading will help Oneness people since they have not received Jesus as Lord? Jesus is God the Father Incarnate, Dave. What say ye?
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin Another "bait and switch". Now you're altering your orignial premise, redefining reading as something qualitative rather than as something quantitative, your original issue. Even if the ones you accuse spent 12 hours a day reading, the hours spent wouldn't represent "quality time", would they, Dave. LOL. It sounds like you're someone's wife, Dave! "You don't spend any quality time with me any more! Wah!" No matter how many hours Oneness people spent reading, its "insubstantial"?
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin You do not sound like an honest man to me. You sound intelligent. If you didn't, I could chalk up these comments to ignorance. I don't think you are. You say that you are "more than qualified to speak authoritatively, even if I hadn't ever lived with them". My goodness. How would you draw the conclusion that "most of them are poor readers". Really, you should rather use words like "some of them". You speak of the "knowledge cake". Interesting metaphor. Sounds tasty.
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin I think what you are trying to say is that you think Oneness Theology is wrong. Fine. Therefore, you assume that its adherents probably don't read very much or well. Great. It's a free country. There's no death threat for things like this outside Muslim countries. Is that it? If it is, I think you are dealing with your problem opposite the way similar problems are normally approached by most people. You are beginning with your conclusion and ending with your assertion.
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin So what you have paid attention to all this while is your "knowledge icing", eh? I guess you have a sweet tooth. :) So get to the cake, man. What is that you disagree with in Oneness theology? Do you care to tackle the idea I offered that the Bible DOES NOT EVEN MENTION any "God the Son"? The phrase is nowhere to be found. Trinitarians MADE IT UP! Wow! How about that piece of cake for starters? Does that qualify as Biblical revelation for you?
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin You said, The knowledge cake doesn't come from experience, but rather through Biblical revelation of the unregenerate's mentality." I think it would be better for you to think "both/and" rather than "either/or". Knowledge comes in the context of human experience AND regeneration of the individual by God's Spirit. God and man meet in a saving encounter. God approaches us in and through our experiences. He changes us in these contexts. The "knowledge cake" does come via experience.
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin You said, "Apostates with petty regard for Scripture have no power or true desire to keep God's Word, hence they can't and don't." So then come back to the faith of the One God, brother. Begging the question seems to work for you. You get to assume Oneness people are apostates & then draw the conclusion that they have "petty regard for Scripture". I could employ circular reasoning similarly. Instead of resorting to ad hominem, argue ideas. I've offered some. Respond.
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin You trinitarians are the ones who don't want to keep God's word. You defile it like the devil, twisting "son of God" into "God the Son". You ignore its direct teaching in favor of high-sounding doctrines of an age of sophistry. You cast aside the direct words of God which refer to God's PERSON. Over the language of scripture you exalt words of your doctrines of men which talk about God's "Persons". How shameful. Your accusation against Oneness doctrine is fascist propaganda.
jhall38 1 year ago
@Davertin Don't hide behind "I wish I knew what you were talking about". Aren't you an intellectual giant like your mentor? Now you are misquoting me, I suspect to your advantage to bolster your pride. I did not say "intellectual witticism". I said "intellectualist witticism". You appear to be an intellectualist, someone who proudly values the intellect above all else. You are due a post modern come-uppance. Your charge about words at random having only poetic value is...POETIC.
jhall38 1 year ago