Disagreements over Jesus and Christology in the early church.

[kyzersoze74]

"Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4)." Encyclopedia Brittanica Online. Guess their wrong as well?

[AegeanKing]

@kyzersoze74 The word monotheism does not appear in the Bible either. See the Didache.

[kyzersoze74]

@AegeanKing actually it does, see John 17.3 in the Greek.

[AegeanKing]

@kyzersoze74 Actually it doesnt. Greeks is my native language and Koine Greeks is the liturgical language of the Orthodox Church of which I am a member. It says "τον μονον αληθινον θεον". This means "the only True God". That is not the word MONOTHEISM. It teaches monotheism, it doesnt say monotheism.

[kyzersoze74]

@AegeanKing to me it does :P

[pandirasbox]

The word Kyrios does not mean YHWH or Elohim or Eyah asher Eyah

[pandirasbox]

It was Marcion who made Jesus into God

[pandirasbox]

Philippians was not written by Paul, nor was Colossians, Titus, 2Timothy, Philemon, and a few others.

[pandirasbox]

Nazarenes did not have a high view of Jesus, they had a high view of Christ

[pandirasbox]

The Nazarenes are the early Christians. Paul was their ringleader. They are the Gnostics. Look into the etymology and you would be startled.

[pandirasbox]

LOL this guy is funny how he generalizes everything so much. The Ebionites did hold to a higher view of Jesus. So did Adoptionists and Catholics, and Cerinthians, and Marcians. The truth is that the Valentinians and other Gnostic groups are the ones who saw Christ as exaulted and Jesus as a mere righteous man. (Zadokite)

[pandirasbox]

You are actually wrong. There were several movements that held to a separation of Christ and Jesus. The Catholic movement was the school of Justin which was actually cut from Rome by Hippolytus. They were a minority until the great persecution ended. The Sabellians did not agree with them and they ran Rome. Jesus was not nearly as exaulted as the Logos. This was, in fact, the big problem and the reason Irenaeus sees so many heresies. Adoptionists were the ones exaulting Jesus.

[psandbergnz]

Why do none of the Gospel writers reveal Jesus' REAL (Hebrew) name? The name Jesus is a transliteration of the Greek name "Iesous" (derived from "Zeus"). But he would not have been called "Iesous", which is just a translation of a number of Hebrew names, such as "Yeshua" and "Yehoshua".

Isn't it odd that none of the New Testament writers respect Jesus enough, as a historical figure, to give us his birth name. After all, no one refers to the great German composer as "John Bach" but "Johann Bach".

[pandirasbox]

@psandbergnz Well according to Acharya S. Too bad she is wrong. The name Jesus comes from Joshua as pointed out by most early writers, the LXX book of Joshua, etc. That is actually the most baseless claim and easier to refute than the claim that Jesus was impaled.

[psandbergnz]

@pandirasbox, I couldn't care less whether Achaya makes the claim or not. So, given that Joshua is a Hebrew name that can translate "Jesus" (which is Greek), why do think that his name was not YESHUA, which is also a Hebrew name translating Jesus? Many evengelical Christians refer to Jesus as "Yeshua". Another Hebrew contender for his name is "Yehoshua".

What are your reasons for excluding these alternatives?