ahahah omg, i use the g25 stock pedals and i do the heel toe perfectly, no mods needed my friend. Just takes practice, a good driving position and skill :)
@insanevids Do you ever drive a real car? You will see what he means... that being said, my super-duper brake mod consists of a piece of wood with some rubber I found on the side of the road by my work fastened in place by no less than eight heavy duty rubber bands. That being said, I think this dude has a better idea as my setup takes periodic "calibration". Nice video though. Fyi, I have read about folks stacking the black spacer from the clutch on the brake to have the same effect.
The Logitech G25 wheel/ Pedal rig isn't the best tool to exercise (you can change gear without depressing the clutch; the gear stick resistance is too tiny).
The pedal rig /gearbox from Frex is more appropriate for Heel toe. I bought one and I'm waiting for the locking into position gearstick feature when the clutch isn't depressed.
I've learnt this technique with a real car (the hard way) when I was young. I wish I had a simulator at that time to practice!
@wiederhe Just FYI you are right, Out of the box it isn't good for heal toe and you Can shift with out hitting the clutch in most games, but there is a cord you can buy which allows you to plug in the pedals right into the PC instead of the wheel so it is separate devise and THEN it does matter if you use the clutch. A lot of people don't know you can use them separate on a PC so there you go, also when you use the separately then the pedals are also more sensitive. Try it and you will be happy!
@knduong It might be kinda hard to do in some daily cars, but you can adjsut the pedals in those too. Having a wider throttle pedal might do the trick
@knduong I do it on daily driving ^_^ I downshift pretty much every time i need to go slower and if this kind of deacceleration isnt enough i start using brakes aswell. But having the situation when i need to start braking hard first, but realising that i might need to accelerate after the braking aswell i am doing heel-toe with downshift 3>2. Apparently from that i do rev-match every gear change since i threw out my auto transmission and got manual.
@wonabe Awesome! I know how to rev-match while downshifting now, I'm picking up heel-toe but I'm waiting for the right corners to do so. What do you drive? I'm currently driving a Civic hatch :P
I think that exactly the original pedal layout makes heel and toe easy with a G25. In most real cars you find the accelerator way deeper than the brake, which sometimes makes heel and toe completely impossible.
I rather think that it's for more comfort, rather than heel and toe.
I guess less than 25% knows what heel and toe is, and less than 10% uses it actually.
The one thing I know is that I can't really do heel and toe on most real cars (can't reack the accelerator with my heel at all), but it's very easy on my stock G25. And to see my point, take a look at serious cars, which assume the driver to use heel and toe: GT racing cars, or just a Porsche Carrera GT. All pedals are in the same plane.
I was talking about the old ones, like Group B rally and old JGTC :) But the Carrera has also manual, if it was sequential (Tiptronic or what), it wouldn't have clutch.
My comfort point was that on long journeys it's more comfortable when the accelerator is deeper, cuz so you don't have to hold your foot up so high.
Anyway, maybe just my foot structure is wrong, and all the others can do the heel and to in an overservoed Suzuki :D
I'm not sure how far you're willing to expand on "Stock roadcars," but in that case, Lamborghinis and the like (not getting model specific) have cars with sequential gearboxes, with a clutch.
You may be right, I'm not really familiar with Lamborghinis and stuff. I've driven a few, but I don't like automatics, neither those which have a very good reputation (e.g. Mercedes 7-speed G-Tronic). It's just too slow and laggy for me. Just not my style. A 100 hp car feels more dynamic with a manual than a 200+ hp automatic in their laggy period.
Sounds cool actually .. its called no lift shift. Some cars actually come stock w/ the ability to do this repeatedly ( electronic launch control ) ie . on the new Cobalt SS.
Lol. sorry no. It IS called Heal Toe Downshift....and i dont know about eh cobalt but the 370z haz auto blip which is a crazy concept when its still a full manual car. O.O
Auto blipping is when you up-shift (5-4-3-2-1) to automatically rev match instead of the driver having to heel toe to have the vehicles RPMs matched to tranny.
Think when your just driving in 4th gear and hit 2nd w/o touching the gas pedal ..the deceleration will jerk you forward. In a powerful car this jerk can cause the wheels to break loose, that happens in a RWD V8 your probaly spinning.
Auto blipping can be used for up or down anytime you can match engine speed to tranny speed is a must. I drift my self, you dont need a v8 to break loose I do it in I4 engine alot (technique to do that its called shift lock.)
This is probably the single most descriptive tutorial I have ever seen, great and fabulous job.
I'm not sure, but your accent tells me you are french (correct me if I'm wrong), I see many of your fellow Frenchmen make videos in French, ignoring the fact that YouTube's main language is English. So props for that aswell ^_^!!
I don't get the benefits of doing that. Doesn't your solution make it harder to heel and toe? I don't own G25, but my car is set up where brake is on higher plane than gas. my car's pedals are like your solution. I must press only the very right side of the brake in order to reach enough depth for throttle, which I wish is more like the original setup of G25 pedals
OK, let me use an analogy. Let's say by not adding the metal, you can heavy brake a certain depth. Let's call this brake depth "minus 5 depth." That's how much my heel can press the gas. By adding the metal, it becomes "minus 3 depth" because brake pedal is higher. I lost that much throttle power unless I get tricky with pressing the brake pedal. The problem becomes more apparent when wearing shoes.
the aim by adding the metal part, is to be at 0 mm and not minus something when braking by minus 5, then you can twist your ankle in order to reach the throttle without any probkem.
That's the reason why, the brake pedal is higher in a car.
Is it like that in a real car? Is the brake pedal further out than the clutch and the accelerator? Or are they really on the same plane in a real car?
nice video your idea is helpful special for me because my sit is very low and on a low realistic sit is difficult to do it( yea is ease if u sit on a pc shear .What plastic u use ?
I've look at your video. What your video doesn't show though is the real braking force you are putting on the pedal by doing this movement.
When doing heel toe on a real car, you start by hitting the brake very hard.
Then comes the twisting part to reach the throttle.
When you hit the brake pedal hard on the G25, the pedal gets down with a very long travel in comparison with a real brake pedal (because it's hydraulic) making very difficult to reach the throttle when twisting your ankle.
Extremly long explanation of a very small part!
Juggernaut30 5 months ago
ahahah omg, i use the g25 stock pedals and i do the heel toe perfectly, no mods needed my friend. Just takes practice, a good driving position and skill :)
insanevids 6 months ago
@insanevids Do you ever drive a real car? You will see what he means... that being said, my super-duper brake mod consists of a piece of wood with some rubber I found on the side of the road by my work fastened in place by no less than eight heavy duty rubber bands. That being said, I think this dude has a better idea as my setup takes periodic "calibration". Nice video though. Fyi, I have read about folks stacking the black spacer from the clutch on the brake to have the same effect.
posimosh 3 months ago
Oh very good one! Thanks.
Andrei917 8 months ago
couldnt you just go to walmart and get some pedal plates for real cars
bloodseedrums 1 year ago
@bloodseedrums One should NEVER go to Wal-Mart for anything.
posimosh 3 months ago
I thought it'd be easier if the gas pedal was the same height as the brake pedal, if not more.
knduong 2 years ago
You can't reach the gas pedal if it's higher by twisting your ankle.
Take a look at a real car. You will see by yourself that the brake pedal is higher than the others.
wiederhe 2 years ago
@wiederhe
I guess so, But the only way you can really do heel toe is on a track or on a game. I can't seem to do it randomly driving.
knduong 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more.
The Logitech G25 wheel/ Pedal rig isn't the best tool to exercise (you can change gear without depressing the clutch; the gear stick resistance is too tiny).
The pedal rig /gearbox from Frex is more appropriate for Heel toe. I bought one and I'm waiting for the locking into position gearstick feature when the clutch isn't depressed.
I've learnt this technique with a real car (the hard way) when I was young. I wish I had a simulator at that time to practice!
wiederhe 2 years ago
@wiederhe Just FYI you are right, Out of the box it isn't good for heal toe and you Can shift with out hitting the clutch in most games, but there is a cord you can buy which allows you to plug in the pedals right into the PC instead of the wheel so it is separate devise and THEN it does matter if you use the clutch. A lot of people don't know you can use them separate on a PC so there you go, also when you use the separately then the pedals are also more sensitive. Try it and you will be happy!
lilbro209 1 year ago
@knduong - its because in a road car the pedals are a lot further apart than in a race car and the g25
yorangaranga 1 year ago
@knduong It might be kinda hard to do in some daily cars, but you can adjsut the pedals in those too. Having a wider throttle pedal might do the trick
Tuze 9 months ago
@knduong I do it on daily driving ^_^ I downshift pretty much every time i need to go slower and if this kind of deacceleration isnt enough i start using brakes aswell. But having the situation when i need to start braking hard first, but realising that i might need to accelerate after the braking aswell i am doing heel-toe with downshift 3>2. Apparently from that i do rev-match every gear change since i threw out my auto transmission and got manual.
wonabe 2 months ago
@wonabe Awesome! I know how to rev-match while downshifting now, I'm picking up heel-toe but I'm waiting for the right corners to do so. What do you drive? I'm currently driving a Civic hatch :P
knduong 2 months ago
@wiederhe in a real car al the pedals need to be on the same line or only the clutch can be a little bit more down
warofsamurai 8 months ago
hey how much you want to make me that piece and ship to eastern usa, might as well quote w/ screws included.
ryanw1284 2 years ago
Hi,
I can make some pieces. Depens on how many people are interested.
wiederhe 2 years ago
I think that exactly the original pedal layout makes heel and toe easy with a G25. In most real cars you find the accelerator way deeper than the brake, which sometimes makes heel and toe completely impossible.
Moleman0 2 years ago
The pedal layout you described is the same for each and every car.
Throttle location is always deeper than the brake pedal and that for making heel toe easier.
You should rather trust car maker than Logitech.
wiederhe 2 years ago
I rather think that it's for more comfort, rather than heel and toe.
I guess less than 25% knows what heel and toe is, and less than 10% uses it actually.
The one thing I know is that I can't really do heel and toe on most real cars (can't reack the accelerator with my heel at all), but it's very easy on my stock G25. And to see my point, take a look at serious cars, which assume the driver to use heel and toe: GT racing cars, or just a Porsche Carrera GT. All pedals are in the same plane.
Moleman0 2 years ago
Porsche Carrera GT, WRC Rally cars have a sequential gearbox. That's why pedals are in the same plan.
No heel toe needed in that cars at all.
I'm talking about cars with manual gearbox.
I don't see your "confort" point.
wiederhe 2 years ago
I was talking about the old ones, like Group B rally and old JGTC :) But the Carrera has also manual, if it was sequential (Tiptronic or what), it wouldn't have clutch.
My comfort point was that on long journeys it's more comfortable when the accelerator is deeper, cuz so you don't have to hold your foot up so high.
Anyway, maybe just my foot structure is wrong, and all the others can do the heel and to in an overservoed Suzuki :D
Moleman0 2 years ago
Sequential cars still have a clutch...
Petrucciisgod123 2 years ago
Yup, but not those which are called Tiptronic and stuff. They're just automatics with manual gear selector.
There are no stock roadcars with real sequential gearbox and manual clutch.
I might be wrong, correct me if I am.
Moleman0 2 years ago
Not exactly sequential, but the Evo X.
Petrucciisgod123 2 years ago
You mean the SST double clutch version? It doesn't have a clutch pedal, only the manual has.
Moleman0 2 years ago
That's what I thought, but wasn't 100% sure.
I'm not sure how far you're willing to expand on "Stock roadcars," but in that case, Lamborghinis and the like (not getting model specific) have cars with sequential gearboxes, with a clutch.
Petrucciisgod123 2 years ago
You may be right, I'm not really familiar with Lamborghinis and stuff. I've driven a few, but I don't like automatics, neither those which have a very good reputation (e.g. Mercedes 7-speed G-Tronic). It's just too slow and laggy for me. Just not my style. A 100 hp car feels more dynamic with a manual than a 200+ hp automatic in their laggy period.
Moleman0 2 years ago
logitech totaly stole your idea on the g27 because after seeing your video i took my pedals apart and it was the exact same measurements!
jtharber 2 years ago
Thank you for telling me.
Major improvement should prevent to engage a gear when the clutch pedal isn't depressed. Still waiting for it...
wiederhe 2 years ago
Hi, great video, although I can heel&toe with the standard configuration.
Gran Turismo 5 for PS3 and Test Drive Unlimited for PC won't let you change gear without depressing the clutch.
This is totally game dependent, Simbin simulators like GTR2 will let you shift without clutch pressure.
Don't wanna know how that would sound in a real car :D
ferrari2k 2 years ago
Sounds cool actually .. its called no lift shift. Some cars actually come stock w/ the ability to do this repeatedly ( electronic launch control ) ie . on the new Cobalt SS.
ryanw1284 2 years ago
Lol. sorry no. It IS called Heal Toe Downshift....and i dont know about eh cobalt but the 370z haz auto blip which is a crazy concept when its still a full manual car. O.O
roketboyd 2 years ago
@roketboyd
Auto blipping is when you up-shift (5-4-3-2-1) to automatically rev match instead of the driver having to heel toe to have the vehicles RPMs matched to tranny.
Think when your just driving in 4th gear and hit 2nd w/o touching the gas pedal ..the deceleration will jerk you forward. In a powerful car this jerk can cause the wheels to break loose, that happens in a RWD V8 your probaly spinning.
ryanw1284 2 years ago
@ryanw1284 ur half correct.
Auto blipping can be used for up or down anytime you can match engine speed to tranny speed is a must. I drift my self, you dont need a v8 to break loose I do it in I4 engine alot (technique to do that its called shift lock.)
roketboyd 2 years ago
Twist your uncle? ;-)
Very nice. It might have been neat to shift the brake a bit higher and closer to the gas as long as you were machining a custom piece.
lydanynom 2 years ago 2
Thank you very much for your comment.
You are right, I'm French. Spent 2 years in the UK.
wiederhe 2 years ago
This is probably the single most descriptive tutorial I have ever seen, great and fabulous job.
I'm not sure, but your accent tells me you are french (correct me if I'm wrong), I see many of your fellow Frenchmen make videos in French, ignoring the fact that YouTube's main language is English. So props for that aswell ^_^!!
bedeone 2 years ago
I don't get the benefits of doing that. Doesn't your solution make it harder to heel and toe? I don't own G25, but my car is set up where brake is on higher plane than gas. my car's pedals are like your solution. I must press only the very right side of the brake in order to reach enough depth for throttle, which I wish is more like the original setup of G25 pedals
shavoba55 2 years ago
I don't get it. How do you reach the throttle pedal on the G25 with the brake pedale depressed as they are on the same plan?
wiederhe 2 years ago
OK, let me use an analogy. Let's say by not adding the metal, you can heavy brake a certain depth. Let's call this brake depth "minus 5 depth." That's how much my heel can press the gas. By adding the metal, it becomes "minus 3 depth" because brake pedal is higher. I lost that much throttle power unless I get tricky with pressing the brake pedal. The problem becomes more apparent when wearing shoes.
shavoba55 2 years ago
the aim by adding the metal part, is to be at 0 mm and not minus something when braking by minus 5, then you can twist your ankle in order to reach the throttle without any probkem.
That's the reason why, the brake pedal is higher in a car.
wiederhe 2 years ago
I see now. Well, at least they're equal (you said 0 difference), so your setup is not exactly like my car's pedals either then.
shavoba55 2 years ago
como se nota que eres español!!
maquinista205 2 years ago
No soy español sino Francés.
wiederhe 2 years ago
Hey just tried this but with zip ties like your old video and its pretty awsome for heal toe thanks alot!
presshere1 2 years ago
You're welcome
wiederhe 2 years ago
Yeah, nice and simple
rius64 2 years ago
Yeah he's right. Watch other heal toe vids they have different plains.
EugeMyster 2 years ago
Is it like that in a real car? Is the brake pedal further out than the clutch and the accelerator? Or are they really on the same plane in a real car?
EJRocky 2 years ago
Yes,
None of the pedal is in the same plane.
Just take a look at yours.
wiederhe 2 years ago
Well, I don't have one, being fifteen :P
But yeah, next time I'm in my dad's Astra, I'll take a look.
Thanks :)
EJRocky 2 years ago
jump in your mum and dads car and check ;P
Vlatko1337 2 years ago
Nice and simple, I might do this one day.
Thanks for the tip.
JasonJJasonJ 2 years ago
You're welcome
wiederhe 2 years ago
Well still Ive seen many do it with the original G25 pedals... hmm...
AlexanderStore 2 years ago
almost impossible? mines fine
emtrixdk 2 years ago
This video was very helpful wiederhe thank you.
rantymana1 2 years ago
nice video your idea is helpful special for me because my sit is very low and on a low realistic sit is difficult to do it( yea is ease if u sit on a pc shear .What plastic u use ?
macanudisisimo 2 years ago
Hi,
Thank you.
Plastic I use is a piece of sample for plastic glazing.
wiederhe 2 years ago
i only try to show you that is possible to do that
there is no problem for me
germade 2 years ago
I've look at your video. What your video doesn't show though is the real braking force you are putting on the pedal by doing this movement.
When doing heel toe on a real car, you start by hitting the brake very hard.
Then comes the twisting part to reach the throttle.
When you hit the brake pedal hard on the G25, the pedal gets down with a very long travel in comparison with a real brake pedal (because it's hydraulic) making very difficult to reach the throttle when twisting your ankle.
wiederhe 2 years ago
in my video I brake hard when I do the heel toe and I agree that the pedal have a long travel.
your customization is very practice for do the heel toe, i agree ;)
germade 2 years ago
Great. Do it your way, I'm used to do heel toe for 25 years and I will stick to my solution.
Bye
wiederhe 2 years ago
with the stock pedals of the g25 you can do the heel and toe ;)
germade 2 years ago
May be you do but I can't and I'm not the only one.
wiederhe 2 years ago
i don't understand why you can't do the heel and tod with the stock pedals because is easy..
if you see other videos you can see that is not difficult to do it
germade 2 years ago
Take a look at your pedals in your car, you will see that the brake pedal stands higher that the throttle. Why is that ?
wiederhe 2 years ago
i know but with the config of the pedals of the g25 is possible
if you dont know do it is a problem because now i tell to my father or other person how do the heel and toe and he do it
germade 2 years ago
this might be very helpful for loads of people... i heard lots of trouble with the g25 and heel-toe...
but i really dont know, i still manage to heel-tow while wearing puma speedcats, and my foot isnt that big (EUR Size 42)
thats just me though...
zerosk8cy 2 years ago
nice description, but i reach the throttle also without this mod ;).
OberstStruppi 3 years ago
Lucky you.
May be I've got big feet ?
wiederhe 3 years ago
how much does this stuff cost?
id love to pick one up.
haha i heel toe with my civic all the time, but id love to be able to do it in the comfort of my own home..... and without breaking the law ;)
Paintballing4life4 3 years ago
Thank you very much.
wiederhe 3 years ago
Thank you.
Oui, je suis français.
Spent 2 years in the UK.
wiederhe 3 years ago
Very nice, Wiederhe, I will make one at the machine shop, just what I needed.
Tu est Francais?
Hamiltonsin 3 years ago