Fallkniven S1 vs Frosts Mora 760

[agricola]

fallkniven: swedish/norweigan army standard issue, also used by members of SFOD-D/DEVGRU/ect, more durable and a better all around knife than the mora. as others have said before, you get what you pay for.

[wiking3r]

ur an ass

[ThePanTian]

LOL: THIS COMPARISON SUCKS

[aseglkj]

you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. stainless moras are made from sandvik 12c27, which is by no means cheap. the reason you rolled the edge is because it's a scandi grind. this is what makes moras awesome slicing and cutting machines, but it won't take abuse. if the mora was made from vg10, you'd have rolled or chipped the edge as well.

[CliffStamp]

@aseglkj VG-10, especially laminated is much more expensive than 12C27. The reason the edge rolled was that these knives typically come with a slight hollow to the primary grind. This both weakens the edge geometrically and is prone to over heating it as well. The edge strength on the Mora's typically vastly improves after the bevel is flattened to remove the hollow. VG-10 would also not chip or dent at 10 degrees (which is the sharpening angle on the Mora) cutting that wood.

[aseglkj]

@CliffStamp now that you mention it, I do have noticed a an ever so slight hollow while sharpening my mora. but it's so tiny, does that really make a difference? comparing the s1 to a mora is moot, because the geometries are so different. an s1 in 12c27 would not perform noticeably worse. the mora's 12c27 is specced at 58HRC, the S1 is 59 HRC. if you go to a carbon steel mora, it's 59 HRC, same as the fallkniven VG10!

It's not the steel, it's the geometry!

[CliffStamp]

@aseglkj Depends on how hollow they make it, I have seen the edges take visible damage and once the hollow is sharpened it never happens again.

Note the newer S1 (all the Fallkniven blades) are full convex grings and the very edges are extremely thin and acute, they will easily cut along side a standard Mora.

But the edges on the older ones are way thicker/more obtuse so are more durable with less cutting ability, just depends on the user which one is better.

[CliffStamp]

@aseglkj My main point here was if Andrelommech resharpened the Mora, removed the hollow and possibly any weakened steel in the edge it should handle the wood cutting with no chipping, denting or rolling. There are lots of people who baton with those blades and the only failure reports that are common are when the handles break which is to be expected as the tangs are not full and thus there can be a lot of stress in the wooden/plastic grips.

[whatever7x7]

dude leave your mama's blue perry knife in the the kitchen

[RNEMrenegade]

seriously!!!

[alwaysApril1st]

I'm making a vid between tge the ford f-350 and the toyota prius plz chk it out

[pyrobombs]

You would have had better luck with that mora if it was a carbon steel version. I've seen one of those go through 10 aluminum cans and still cleanly slice through a piece of paper. HOWEVER, I'm not hating on the Fallkniven at all, and I can't speak for any stainless mora.

[ZliRodjak]

your mom is cheap

[shrubberystomper53]

totally unrealistic comparison 115$ DOLLAR KNIFE VS 20$ DOLLAR KNIFE!!!!!!!

[2KARGARAGE]

IMO if u get a mora for bushcraft go with an s1 or s2 carbon steel full tang and $8.

[2KARGARAGE]

I have those same knives. Ive used my 760 for batoning, it's never failed. Price pr use ratio I prefer the mora. $12 compared yo $115.

[M1LERTYME]

JUST BUY WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD

[chibraxial]

This comparaison is kind of irrelevant. so to expose the harder steel (not saying the mora is laminated, but during heat treat the finer outer surface is softer than the inside.

Sharpen (not hone) your mora a few times and you'll notice the edge will behave better :)

To be fair, you need to sharpen your mora a few times

[linnegatan1]

The Mora knife is a real good knife for it's price, machine made of course, but still a good knife for the money ..

But the Fällkniven is at least 10 times more expensive and made by real knifemakers in northen sweden.. You cant compre the 2..

But i dont have any real check on the new Mora-knifes. Could be made in China like everything else nowadays. sadly.

But we get what we pay for. I try to buy swedish when i can, and i recomend you americans to buy american when you have a choice

[10boltbop]

@linnegatan1 All Mora knives are still made in Mora, Sweden.

[lmp900]

You are comparing apples to oranges.

[mwchinbach]

The reason for the cheapness of Mora knives has nothing to do with the quality of the steel (which is excellent). They are cheap because they are mass-produced. They are the first-choice for people who work with knives (fishermen, carpenters etc), rather than being a toy for people who like to play with knives. One of the greatest advantages that they have over "High-end" knives is that you can use them (and,occaisionally, lose them!), without heartbreak.

[tac94540]

the fallkniven is also like three times the weight, not as easy to sharpen, and no where near as good for delicate cutting. two entirely different intended purposes. its basically saying, hey my recon scout can spit wood better than your filet knife....duh.

[dauntless15]

mora is one of the best for bush craft . its light , small , extreamly tough ( carbon models ) . and thats why i take 2 if them when i go out camping . you dont need to baton or split wood with your knife . there are millions of uses for a knife and the mora meets just about all of them . i own 6 at the moment

[m93dape]

i dont even need to pay for the frost mora knive :D cause i work in mora and i make knives at there factory in östnor in mora :D i have lika two big boxes in my carage xD and the knives are made to be work knifes. and the mora knife is the most cheap knife of all mora knifes so u haven´t got the best knife from mora.

[Blondie767]

fail, a mora knife is for skinning and light tasks, there is NO WAY you can compare these two knives, i personally wouldnt consider either a 'survival knife' but either way, for the money a mora is the way to go.

[whitethronebooks]

Sandvik steel is not "cheap" steel. It is highly respected. And Moras are not "stabbing" knives. The edge profile/thickness will not stand up to such treatment.

[stymye]

also do you know the difference between a survival knife and a bushcraft knife?obviously not

[stymye]

you should have got the 740 carbon steel,,or better yet the 2000

[tronclay]

after having the spyderco endura 4 (with wave feature) im not sure id pay 130$ for vg10 in that small size. Dont get me wrong, the endura is the best knife ive ever owned, but the steel doesnt seem to me like it owuld be worth 130$, though the 60% i paid for my endura seems more on spot.

Ive never even owned a mora, but something tells me id probably buy 10-12 moras before i bought one S1

[FlorinU]

I understand that you would like to show your friends the extra price is worth it, but still, the Fallkniven competes for the "best knives in the world" title, while Mora is kind of a "disposable knife" (yet not "cheap", I use them myself and love them). Your friends know very little about knives :) Anyway, thanks for the video!

[rappipaul]

Alright, i've seen a lot of different comments concerning the price difference and how they cannot be compared because of that. To all of you, the price of a knife isn't directly linked to the quality. If it was you could get a $500 knife, and you'd never have to get a new knife, and neither would your children or grandchildren. You can get a $30 brand knife which won't last you a month, whilst a $5 Mora can last you years.

[bengtsson45]

Swedish steel is never "cheap".

[vjanda1]

S1 for survival, Mora for tomatoes, nuff said

[Nalapombu]

DUMB COMPARISON!

Tell us what a better option for less than $10 would be. Take a $10 bill and go out and buy a better option and show it to us.

Hey I've got a great idea, why don't you do your next video on what the best option for a luxury vehicle is, a Bentley or a Ford Pinto.....

I am struggling to understand why you would even think that a $10 knife would be able to compare to a semi-custom knife that costs $175.

[warriorofsteel01]

you cant get a better option for 10 bucks dude

[warriorofsteel01]

150 compared to 10$of course the 10 is going to be better.but the fallkniven dosnt have a scandi grind.....the mora does..

[ArtPC1]

i m in love with the s1

nice review by the way

[jscanyon]

Apples and Oranges. The Fallkniven is made of VG10 (extremely hard) the Frosts is make ofn high carbon steel (a softer metal).

The steel of the Mora is not "cheap" steel, simply different steel. Carbon steel will also tend to pit and discolor.

$150 compared to $10.

The Fallkniven is nice, but so is the Mora line of knives as well. Swedes have been making steel for centuries, just as the japanese have (VG-10 steel origin).

[aseglkj]

@jscanyon actually the mora in the video is stainless sandvik 12c27 steel

[LastDEF]

I see you are compareing them as survival knives. Anyway I don't know if its a fair comparison since thats the stainless version. I don't think the cabon would have rolled don't know though. Thanks for telling me about the stainless rolling I might retemper one.5/5-Joshua

[georgio941]

Well since everyone is raving about carbon steel, I would like to know as a novice and further to educate myself to the answer of this question: What carbon steel is better than VG-10 stainless that Fallkniven uses? 01, 1095, d2?? The reason why I ask is I have never heard anything bad about VG-10 or 3G stainless steels which are from what I understand pretty much the top of the line in SS and don't know which steels in the carbon family are better or equally as good?

[hogielove]

VG-10 steel is nice steel, spyderco uses it in knives that are made in japan, it is supose to be great but can chip on these larger knives. of you have money look a bark river knives they are $100-300 and are made out of usally A-2 and that it half ss anf half carbon steel 5% Co or that ever makes it stainless

[tac94540]

@georgio941 depends on what you want, of course vg10 is stainless and very hard, will hold an edge well, but chip more easily and be much harder to sharpen. carbon steel can rust, but is much easier to sharpen and will be much tougher. i like carbon blades because they hold an edge nearly as well and when you lose the edge it is much easier to find it. plus you will pay nearly twice the money for vg10 or any other high end steel.

[darkcolmar]

@AnubisThantosKK now see, you misread my post. I said that I always go carbon steel. I never said everyone should go with carbon steel.

if used underwater, stainless is much better than carbon but stainless is more difficult to harden and temper to get the best strength and toughness. Carbon steel is by far more forgiving than stainless. And yes, stainless will indeed rust. It won't get a patina nearly as quickly as carbon steel.

[darkcolmar]

Well, it all depends on knowledge. I can maintain my carbon steel in most environments and I live on the east coast. It's just a simple matter of learning the right techniques. We've used carbon steel for hundreds of years before stainless was even invented. Sailors used it on ships and they never rusted.

as far as maintaining the the field, yeah, carbon is better and will always be better for that reason. It stays sharper for longer too.

[darkcolmar]

I agree. I have a Mora 731. And I have never had the issues this guy claims to have had. For under $20 Moras out perform the $20+ knives and then some.

The one he got probably was fully stainless. I always go with carbon steel no matter what.

[DudeNumberOnePlus]

i have edge problem on mora too - out of box, edge rolled when cutting dry spruce - rather soft wood. I resharpened edge to wider angle and everything is OK now.

[darkcolmar]

a micro bevel will keep that from happening. It will also make it sharper and keep it sharp.

as I stated above, I never had the problem with my 731. It's pure carbon steel and well tempered.

[DudeNumberOnePlus]

:D yep,dude. this is how i modified it. original angle was too acute, i gave it more obtuse angle just fraction of mm  at the edge- now its strong enough.

[hogielove]

what is a micro bevel because I rolled my edge on a barkriver

[darkcolmar]

@hogielove on the scandi grind the entire bevel is the edge of the knife. A micro bevel is made by raising the knive a few degrees and sharpening that. It really works well.

[youseemreallybored]

I don't know why you would compare the fallkniven to the mora...

[pvtsnoballz]

...did you just compare a 120$ blade to a 10 blade?

....seriously?

[pvtsnoballz]

10$ *

[krisUSA111]

Fallkniven is more then 5 times expensive then Mora..So do we really need Fallkniven I`ll say no,use our cheap  mora and be happy : )

[imp1us]

The durability of the edge is much more dependent upon the style of blade grind than the steel. The Mora has a flat grind whereas the Fallkniven is a compound grind. The in edge angles differ a significant amount. If you're having trouble keeping a decent edge on the Mora, put a micro-bevel on it.

[tomfaranda]

Good review. I don't know what everyones' complaining about. In knives, like most things, you get what you pay for.

[noisepuppet]

it's pronounced fall-KNEE-ven

The Sandvik steel used in the stainless mora knives is not "cheap."

There is nothing wrong with it.

The bevel at the edge is acute, as others said. That's why the edge fails when you stab it into sheet metal.

This knife is not for stabbing into sheet metal.

If you want to stab sheet metal, get a punch and chisel set, not a Mora knife.

Mora knives are no good at hammering nails either.

[assassin616]

great comment, i agree completely

[scandapoodle]

FÄLL is actually pronounced: FELL- (as in he Fell in love with her that night)

KNIV means knife and is pronounced as the FIRST syllable in the english word Kniving (back stabbing).

EN- is the definte article in swedish (as in THE)

Så Fällkniven is translated from swedish into english as : The Folding Knife :)

[scandapoodle]

but yeah the syllable rythm is Fäll-Kni-Ven

[rappipaul]

@noisepuppet

"it's pronounced fall-KNEE-ven"

No it isn't. A more correct pronounciation is fellKneeven, with a distinct "k" sound at the beginning of "kniven". The "ä" has got a pronounciation of its own which isn't always easy to comprehense without having it in your native language.

[noisepuppet]

@rappipaul So I have learned after posting that. It was explained to me that it's more like FELK-nee-ven, and that first vowel is strange to us English speakers. :)

[rappipaul]

@noisepuppet

I've heard FAR worse. One of the worst examples was a person that thought that all umlauts were to be pronounced like the German ü. Combine that with the rest of the name and you get something which was similar to Fyllnaiven. But then again, different languages, different pronounciations.

[detectorbg]

@noisepuppet I think it pronouncead Fell-Knee-When a swedish guy once said that

[LRAJ88]

@noisepuppet

Even that's wrong. There's not the a sound of fall, it's the the first e of enemy. If you were to make it as correct as possible it's fael-k-nee-ven with the ae pronounced ä, the k isn't mute and is the start of kniven. Should really make a vid with the sole purpose of teaching how Fällkniven is pronounced.

[Axbent]

@noisepuppet Its Faell-knee-ven to be exact (the folding knife).

[Petegrin1]

@noisepuppet i can tell you for sure... its not pronounced fall-KNEE-ven. its just you non.swedish people that think so ;)

[leetshots]

this review would actually be of more use if you showed yourself using the knife and giving the impression you have practical experience with either, preferably both.

[alexpoz09]

you also half to remember the mora is a ten dollor knife compaired to the s1 is alot of difference . also the mora is a skandy grind knife so the blade is easer to chipp and roll . but think about the price befor you complain

[pikulicluka]

What do you mean by "easier to chipp", it's not true, I've seen a distruction test on the mora knife, and the guy slammed the knife on a stone until it broke, and when they looked at the blade they saw that it didn't chip at all. I agree with them, since I have one for four years now and have never had a single chip although I've put mine through hell...

[alexpoz09]

no, all i was saying is the mora is a more delecate edge becuse the metal is thinner due to its skandy grind i ment nick not chip i havent had any of my moras chip. the s1 is a secondary bevel knife so the final edge is thicker or steeper so the edge is usualy more dourable

[busker666]

this sould have been more of a "different ends of the spectrum survival knives" video

not a "which knife is better" video

[cretinkiller9000]

sorry disagree

you could by about 25 of the frost knife for the same price you could always have done a higher end frost knifes make it fair,

and the frost will hold its edge well i carve with them and they do that well well, and i have split wood with mine using a metal hammer and there is no mark of it

you could also carry 2 of the frost to the same wight and it would never be you main chopper really anyway.

so should be fine

[TheCrashOf29]

Totally pointless

[OneWithGuns93]

the frosts does not have a cheap steel.

its not the blade material, its the blade profile

the 15 degree angle on the frosts is a lot weaker than the 20 degree s1 the frosts is sharper and weaker and the s1 is duller and stronger.

and what do you expect for a 15 dollar knife

[statesmanls1]

It seems there a lot of people worried about the cost differential of these knives. I think what gives this test relevance is that there are a lot of people out there that think they can buy the Mora and thats all they need as a survival knife. I haven't tried either knife but from your opinion I get the impression that if you were to rest ur life in a survival situation on a knife, don't think u can get away with a mora.

[stanman1992]

ya but its a 10$ knife vs a 120$ knife....whats the point good vid but the mora is ment to be a fast knife ie rope cuter food knife light game procesing a knife u are pulling out and puting away alot doing repeditive stuf the fallkivens on the other hand is a all out short bush knife for batoning shelter craft and more robust tasks

[facatube]

IMHO they are no comparable they are different tools for different task.

Each of them excel in their tasks.

I have both ;-)

[DangerDad29]

I make my own survival knives and I always carry a mora. I stopped making my own, the last a s30v 6 inch lapplander style blade with a convex grind. As I tend to use my mora's for everything that needs cutting as it does this with more efficiency than any other knife I've ever used.. and for 15 bucks.... Anything I need to chop I use my axe and a saw. Also, the s1 is not a full tang. hammer on the end and find out, there goes 150 bucks.... (what do you need to hammer on the end for?)

[statesmanls1]

They are full tang. Take a look at the fallkniven specs

[DangerDad29]

What model of mora knife is that? Stainless, carbon or lamanated steel version? that will make a big difference. I've used a number of different mora models, stainless 57-59 on a Rockwell hardness scale, rolls a lot, easy to sharpen. carbon about 59, easy to sharpen, laminated outside soft metal similar to 420, core 61-62. razor sharp for all of them and easy to maintain. Edge geometry plays a huge roll in function and testing. The S1 is a convex ground and the mora a single bevel grind

[nick2mandi]

How can you compare a 10 dollar mora to a 140 fallkniven? compare the fallkniven to a tom brown tracker or something from RAT.

[Boomrod]

Very good video... as for the steel rolling.. thats a problem I've only encountered with the 760.. as I have the 2k, #1,#2 and 510 and that ss mora. kudos mate!

[garrity5]

comparison was a bit awkward as the s1 is almost 10 times more, but good video, straight and to the point, and really i believe the mora to perform as well as many 100 dollar knives, just doesn't look as good. good job

[moleman1961]

I bet the black one cost a bloody lot more than the frosts! Unfair comparison

[zombieknifenut]

the price difference is to much to ignore, they can't be compared, dumbass

[PeterStiles13]

If you strop the Frosts on leather with some jewellers rouge it will take the feather off.

Gives it kind of a "micro sabre" grind. use it as a knife and you will forget about the Falkniven. take a machete or axe along for the tougher stuff.A saw couldnt hurt either.

[zerowildfire]

I belive this is a very unbalanced and unfair comparison.

The Fallkniven S1 is a solidly built knife for experienced/professional users and the Frost Mora 760 is a basic beginners knife.

The S1 also sells at over $100 and the Mora sells for under $10.

[MuhsinTheMomin]

great review, nice and fast

[chrissept21]

i like mora got to be carbon tho

was that carbon

[Sp1tf1r3p1l0t]

Mora knives are fantastic value for the money and they are sturdy work horses too they are worth at least three times their retail price. I'm not saying the falky isn't but c'mon "cheap steel" they are world renowned why do you think Ray Mears sells them!

[alberez57]

Next time, and to be a little bit fairer, compare the Fallkniven against a Mora 2000. That's just 6x the price, or better yet a Buck Vanguard or short Nighthawk... just 2x the price; that's gonna be tough competition. You can't call your video a "comparison". Comparisons are made between things that are similar.

[bedANDsheets]

denting on the wood? man, that's crap_mora are good knives.

[ParkourEh]

Poking holes through aluminum?!?!?! Knives aren't used to cut through metals. The Mora knives take and hold an edge well, the steel's great for the price. The Frosts Mora is fine as long as you use it as a knife and not as prybar, digging tool, whatever else some crazed person can come up with.

[lasse88]

First of all I want to say I live in Sweden, and that I like our knifes we make here..

But what you just did was to compare a Koenigsegg CCX to a Volvo 740 =).

Try the Fällkniven A2 next time, I'll think you would like it. Bye

[yeppyea]

My favorite bushcraft/survival knives of all time.

1. Bark river Bravo-1

2. Bark river Sandstorm A

3. Fallkniven F1

4. Fallkniven H1

5. All al mar fixed blades.

[tfoshohoe]

my mora i can hang from it to it is full tang and doesnt mess up like that but its the laminated one not much more but fallkniven knifes are cool but i like my mora thanks for the review i know not to get that version

[Nikicristian]

how did you use that mora? you said you cut wood but a mora knife holds an edge pretty well and doesn't loose its edge. i've used my mora on a lot of wood and never had to sharpen it. it still does cut very well and it didn't chipped or anything like that. and about the steel od the Frosts knife. it may be cheap but it does its job very well. mora knives aren't made to split wood. you can use an axe. much more reccomended. you can buy a very good axe and a mora with the price of the S1.

[AnttiL]

I agree with Nikicristian. Besides, cheap moras are good workhorse knifes that don't matter so much if you lose/break them. It's weird how you didn't make video of the actual test itself because I think you abused that mora. Scandi grind is ALWAYS better in performance when it comes to peeling / cutting wood (not chopping, chopping is for axes).

[renato555]

AnttiL,chopping is for axes, I say that all the time but all these 'knifelovers' want is chopping with large blades .

[AnttiL]

I agree completely. It's a weird trend where your knife is supposed to do every single task and survive everything you put it into, even abuse.

[renato555]

yeah.people want a knife that cut ,chop, is an excellent combat knife.well, the best Combat knives are NOT 0.25inch thick up to the tip.(unless perhaps they are double edged,but NOT when single edged).and a thin blade like a MORA or any other thin blade slices better than a very thick blade.

[renato555]

I have worked with chainsaws and axes.and an axe will outchop large blades easily.but dont tell the knifelover,you will disturb their dream.their excuse is that an axe is too heavy too carry.yeah right, the RTAKII is handy to carry haha

[AnttiL]

Haha, yeah. Any normal healthy man can carry axe and loads of other stuff with him. All this end of the world zombie holocaust survival stuff is just plain silly.

I understand if people fancy knives because I do too, but axe is what I would take to forrest with my knife.

[renato555]

an axe is a must when staying in the woods.

[garrity5]

seconded.... i'd buy the mora.... carry a hand and a half ax.. and my leatherman. bam, everything i would ever need with an edge right there with me.

[bikesgunsandknives]

Nice review man.

[homemadealcoholstove]

NOT FAIR

you're compairing a $150 knife with a $10???

something is wrong with that...

[Andrelommech]

You are exactly right, 90% of the reason I made that review was to show some of my friends on a Toyota forum why 15x the price was worth it, in some cases :)

[KeminmaanKauhu]

@homemadealcoholstove

I would never pay 10 dollars for frost mora :D

In finland i can easily get 1 for less than 1e witch is about 80 cent or so in dollars :)

And if you buy em in bulk cheapest you can get em is close to 50Cents

[nutnfancy]

I love that Fallkniven S1. What great blades they make. Nice video, 5 stars.

[robinkoeman]

Nice vid. Thanks for uploading(!)