Ron Paul on torture CBS Republican Debate 11-12-11

[akkadianantttt]

RON PAUL 2012.

[BorislavX]

How is it illegal or immoral when we do it to our own soldiers in training? Do we torture our own troops when we prepare them for combat? That is completely insane. If your wife and daughter were in a building and you had the man who planted the bomb, would you water board him to get the info or would you let your family die? Really do think about that... I like Paul, but he is just plain 100% wrong here.

[BorislavX]

Accept that there is evidence that water boarding has given us good and reliable information. I still plan to vote for Dr. Paul, but some of his views on foreign policy and "torture" are just way out there.

[806TO713]

@BorislavX It's not ok to torture people who "might" be terrorists is what his main point was.

[Brushles83]

it's really disturbing to hear the crowds support for torturing people. I thought you were a first world country USA?

[BorislavX]

@Brushles83 Pouring water on somebody's face is hardly torture.

[Brushles83]

@BorislavX ok, idiot.

[BorislavX]

@Brushles83 Calling someone an idiot or hurling other personal insults at them does not prove your point.

[Brushles83]

@BorislavX ok, idiot.

[mrjdw2]

If asked this question again during a debate, I wish Ron Paul would just say, "Congresswoman Bachman, Senator Santorum, and some of the other candidates up here have been outspoken about their Christian beliefs so I would like to ask them this: Would Jesus condone torture?"

[wunderbeast]

for all those people who are sitting in the audience that didn't applaud but know in their hearts that ron paul is right, shame on those cowards. if liberty prevails in the mainstream in our lifetime, i hope in 10 years time, they will remember this day and that they didn't have the courage to support the wise words of an honest, principled, and moral statesman.

[matthewtaylorbrown]

Please tell me why you figured 'atheist' was a good word to put in your Tags?

[chxch2hh]

Hey Guys, I am a Canadian who strongly supports Ron Paul and I would like to make a video about internationals (non-Americans) supporting Dr. Paul. So far I have people from Australia, Canada, Switzerland, Lebanon, India, the UK and Ireland who will contribute clips on their support for Ron Paul. If you are a non-American, please message me to include you in the video. We can’t vote for Ron Paul but we can most definitely help him get elected! Let’s show the Americans the world stands behind RP!

[politicoochie09]

Torture can be made legal anywhere. That's not the point. Torture is IMMORAL under any circumstances. So, Republicans, most of you believe (sort of) in Jesus, right? What would Jesus do? Would he torture anyone? And, if so, under what circumstances would he do that?

[captaindiesalot]

Waterboarding, torture? Hardly.

[hellsunicorn]

@captaindiesalot Ronald Reagan disagrees with you, his administration prosecuted people for doing it.

[captaindiesalot]

@hellsunicorn

oh, really? and which American citizen, who's not waging war against the United States, thus, outside of Civil protections, was the recipient of waterboarding? No, your comment, like much of what the Ron Paul crowd does, is a complete stretch. Why not simply try to make a case as to why the US Constitution should protect non-citizens? I'll tell you why, because you cannot, and still sound like a logical human being. Ron Paul is ill-served by the nuts that follow him.

[hellsunicorn]

@captaindiesalot I just sent you a link to a Drudge Report article on the subject, Reagan's justice department prosecuted a Texas sheriff for using water-boarding to get confessions. Please do some research before sounding like an arrogant dumb ass.

[captaindiesalot]

@hellsunicorn

I read the damn thing. The Sheriff wasn't in a war zone, the act was committed against a US Citizen. Being called "arrogant" by you is a compliment. I can DEFEND being arrogant, because I'm right, and I can defend myself, personally against anyone who wishes to make this personal, as you have. Now, it's time for bed, have your mommy change your diapers and put you in your race car bed, with the Ron Paul for President stickers plastered on the headboard.

[hellsunicorn]

@captaindiesalot It doesn't matter what kind of zone he was in, the act is defined as torture both by Reagan's Justice Deparment and also by the Geneva Convention, that doesn't change whether you are in a war zone or if you're a backward hayseed looking to make an arrest regardless of the truth. Spend less time worrying about my diapers and my home situation and more time trying to apply concepts beyond a whiny 3rd grade level manner and you'll be in better shape.

[omegapoint0]

Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman are the only decent human beings onstage.

The rest of the GOP candidates are an embarrassment.

And the clowns who condone what those embarrassments advocate are totally clueless.

Thomas Jefferson would be outraged at how far the morality of politicians and their constituents have declined.

Ron Paul, 2012!

[jdcinsf]

Very Good for Ron Paul

[Redlocokixx]

on Natinal tv he had only 1 mit, on line about 4 mint ......lol the whole thing went about 1h 30 mints lol..... yes i can See Ron Paul wining now.

[an50331]

Perry - 5 questions, 2 follow ups, $7,325 from troops

Gingrich - 5 questions, 1 follow up, $1,725 from troops

Cain - 5 questions, 1 follow up, $9,518 from troops

Romney - 4 questions, 1 follow up, $11,555 from troops

Santorum - 3 questions, 2 follow ups, $750 from troops

Bachmann - 3 questions, $7,182 from troops

Huntsman - 2 questions, 1 follow up, $0 from troops

Paul - 1 question, 1 follow up, $113,739 from troops

[ozgood1x]

The Spirits of The Revolution are ushering Ron Paul into his rightful position as Keeper of the Constitution of the United States of America. All across this Great Country of ours, we are joing the Spirits in placing Ron into the White House and into the sacred Presidency. Nothing will stop us from protecting our Constitution. In just a few months we will gather en masse to make Ron the Official Representative of Our Constitution. And Finally, we will make him President of the United States.

[dreamingWisdom]

..."the audience booed only once (when Ron Paul opposed torture)."

"When Ron Paul opposed torture, he got a few cheers and a few boos from the crowd. And CBS moderator Scott Pelley was forced to address the audience at one point, saying, “Applause is lovely, but we will not have booing. We will have respect for everyone on stage.""

Politico said Ron Paul was booed for opposing torture. I never heard any boos here. The booing was for Romney!

[falcondriver100]

He's a nutjob! Glad they ignore this goofy ass old man! Waterboarding is how we found Bin Ladin. Obama sure enjoyed that one didn't he?

Waterboarding causes FEAR, not pain or injury. Its effective & if its "immoral", why the fuck to we waterboard our OWN military men to teach them how to deal with it?

[drow13f10]

@falcondriver100 waterboarding is torture and people die from it... we had some navy seals on charges in Iraq for killing a detainee with waterboarding back in 2004... and if you allow the federal government to use it in the war on terror then it won't be long before it will be allowed in the united states by our own police force.. I know that sounds impossible but its a slippery slope.. and once its accepted nothing will stop it.. so maybe your kids will get a taste of it one day...

[falcondriver100]

@drow13f10 You're full of about 9 tons of bullshit.. You should be shot dead for claiming to be a war veteran. People like you make me sick! "We destroyed our reputation"?? And the Muslims championed thiers? LMAO!

Ever heard of Neville Chamberlain? Look him up jackass. Ron Paul is a modern day Chamberlain. Niave retard! Everyone in DC knows this guy is nuttier than squirrel shit.

[drow13f10]

@falcondriver100 well that's your opinion sir. I joined to support and defend the constitution. Thats what made this country great. And your position on waterboarding goes against those ideas like cruel and unusual punishment, liberty,freedom,equality,innoc­ent until proven guilty and the idea of unalienable rights. We're better than that but the people that agree with you think we're great because we have the most money and the biggest stick so we can be bullies of the world and do what we want

[falcondriver100]

@drow13f10 You falsely claimed to be an Iraq war veteran, your opinion means JACK SHIT! Terrorists from the middle east ARE NOT protected by our Constitution you fucking IDIOT, only American citizens are!

When YOUR family is in harms way & we have terrorists who knows what is planned for them, THEN tell me how terrible waterboarding is! Its saved THOUSANDS of lives & YOU DON'T LIKE IT! Don't tell me how patriotic you are you anti-American cocksucker who NEVER put skin in the game! FUCK YOU!

[BorislavX]

@falcondriver100 I agree with you for the most part and support water boarding when needed, but Dr Paul did serve in the army... He is a vet...

[krazyknva78]

@falcondriver100 Military high-risk personnel (pilots and special operations troops) volunteer to undergo SERE. In SERE training, instructors introduce the possibilities of what can & likely will happen if you're captured. Waterboarding IS torture by the very definition. And if Paul is such a "nutjob," why do over 70% of active duty (including me) & veterans support him? Look up waterboarding, SERE training, & fact check which candidate the US military supports. I suspect you're misinformed.

[MsDowntowns]

GO RON PAUL 2012!

[withtheoldbreed]

I wish they would ask him more than one question. Pretty blatant bull.

[fatcandiru]

WE DEMAND OUR CONSTITUTION BE OBEYED Ron Paul 2012 or bust!

[ThePyrodrone]

Ironic that every other politician tried to say that water boarding is not torture... go try it, see if you like it.

[andhehorseurodeinon]

It is hard for me personally to hear our "leaders" say that assassination, torture, & terrorism, no matter how covert and deniable, are acceptable methods of foreign policy. Did they all graduate from the Joesph Stalin School of Diplomacy? If it is an acceptable policy for us, how is it not acceptable for them to use against us? Where do we draw the line? Soon it will be OK to drop chemical weapons on our enemies - as long as we have plausible deniability, of course. Ron Paul is RIGHT on this!

[PureTamil]

i saw this and im pisssed off that they didnt let him answer anything!!!!!!!!!!

[NYyankees722vids]

How is Ron Paul the only "sane" person on stage? It seems people are really into saying how Ron Paul is being ignored (which is true) rather than what they truly like about Paul.

Seriously, what's to like? Looking for a legitimate, serious answer.

[andhehorseurodeinon]

@NYyankees722vids I like him because (I do not agree with everything he says) he always errs on the side of liberty, adulthood, the constitution. 2. He is not a corporate shill - a different face of the same republocrat coin. The faces change, but the policy doesn't.. Lobbyist don't even bother to stop by his office.3. He is honest he says what he feels. Message stays the same. He does not pander to whatever audience he is in front of. 4. Fox hates him - that's a good enough endorsement for me.

[NYyankees722vids]

@andhehorseurodeinon While you make some good points that I don't agree with, I don't find some of them legitimate. I mean, some people say they like Cain because he's got that non-politician attitude, or they like Bush/Obama because "they'll have a beer with that guy!" You know what I mean? As for your Fox comment, Hannity has had him on (recently) and O'Reilly has invited him. How can he say the media doesn't give him all coverage if he will decline invites?

[ThePyrodrone]

@NYyankees722vids Do you go to a guy's house if he intends to make fun of you or paint you in a bad light? Didn't think so.

[andhehorseurodeinon]

@NYyankees722vids I appreciate your thoughts. You asked for a serious answer & I gave you some. The media just leaves him out of the discussion. It may be he polls low (steady, but low). Fox will report a poll and never mention his name, cut him off of their online polls because his supporters "slam" it. On CBS Web page tonight all 7 other debaters have a foreign policy dossier - not Paul. His last interview with BS Bill was very condescending - it makes me wonder why both sides marginalize him?

[NYyankees722vids]

@andhehorseurodeinon To be honest, I don't see Bachman under the spotlight like she once was. Paul hasn't won a straw poll yet, been top tier to be in discussion, etc. Am I wrong (I actually may be)? Does it not make sense to go on the O'Reilly factor? If you were a journalist, would you or would you not interview Amadinejad? Sure you may not like him, but wouldn't you do it? Thanks for the serious response. Probably one of few civil, thoughtful responses I have had!

[andhehorseurodeinon]

@NYyankees722vids It's all cool brother. Look at the California straw poll and the Illinois Straw Poll , both within the last 6 weeks. Paul won them both, handily. If I was a journalist I would interview every one, like you say. O'Reilly is not a journalist. He is not interested in reporting the news, but rather peddling influence, and selling books. Dr. Paul was interviewed on his radio show this week and O'Reilly was not very "Journalistic" with him. Listen to it it is posted here on You Tube.

[NYyankees722vids]

@andhehorseurodeinon There's no doubt that O'Reilly is tough on people when it comes to interviews. To be fair, take a look at his Superbowl interview with Obama (superbowl?). If I recall, he was quite respectful and fair to him, probably mainly being president; a lot of the right said O'Reilly was too easy on him (note that O'Reilly is an independent... he leans conservative, but he's ind.). Hey, I have a fair share of disagreeing with Oreilly but i dont think he's as bad as he's projected.

[NYyankees722vids]

@andhehorseurodeinon Journalism is defined as the collection and editing of news for presentation through the media (m-w). No one said a journalist isn't one who [insert w/e O'Reilly does that's sort of frowned upon by people]. You know? Paul said to O'Reilly's producer "he's not really a journalist" or something like that. Does he really think that?

[andhehorseurodeinon]

@NYyankees722vids I admit I'm am a late comer to Paul's camp. I know this feud between O'Reilly & Paul supporters goes way back to '08. I would not presume to say what Dr. Paul thinks. I saw the clip where RP said, "He is not really a journalist."

I my opinion Fox News is the propaganda arm of the RNC. Just like MSNBC is of the Dems. I listen to them both flipping between channels. The truth is probably found somewhere in between. I admit to being a cynical old bastard tho. Ron Paul is ignored

[NYyankees722vids]

@andhehorseurodeinon FNC is the only main news network that leans a bit to the right. There's no doubt that you have people like Hannity-- someone who self-declares himself as a registered conservative. I go between CNN/FNC. CNN is the most reasonable left-leaning channel, but it looks worse when AC360 is on. MSN is just a joke. To say MSNBC is as far left as FNC is as far right is nonsense to me. Hannity seems to cover things no other station wants to really cover. McCain hated FNC,when running

[ThePyrodrone]

@NYyankees722vids That's easy for me to answer. I like him because he is consistent, his policies side on personal freedoms and stay in alignment with the United States Constitution. I like that he wants to cut government and reduce the amount that the government can tell us what to do with ourselves. I also like that he actually knows the departments he is talking about, as well as the names of the departments, bills, policies, and the reason things are the way they are!

[jajohnson330]

Look at all those stone faced idiots in the crowd. What the eff? Do most of the people in the crowd actually approve of torture? It sure looks that way.

[NYyankees722vids]

@jajohnson330 Enhanced interrogations are usually approved by conservatives/republicans... I approve.

[jajohnson330]

@NYyankees722vids I find it deeply distressing that the undeclared litmus test for contemporary conservatism is based on how hawkish one can be. I think the same can be said for torture. I repudiate this brand of conservatism. I consider myself to be a conservative/classical liberal but for pragmatic reasons alone I simply cannot condone all of these military entanglements we find ourselves in; and for moral reasons I can not accept our government authorizing the use of torture.

[captaindiesalot]

@jajohnson330

See, there's no common sense regarding the Rights in the Constitution being for US Citizens, only. A foreign combatant is not a citizen, and a US Citizen who has attacked, or sponsored attacks against the USA is no longer a citizen, and has forfeit CIVIL RIGHTS guaranteed under the Constitution. Newt is Totally Correct on this one. Ron Paul, who I do agree with on domestic issues, is incorrect.

[NYyankees722vids]

@jajohnson330 It just seems like people are against enhanced interrogations, but then they are for killing (war). I don't deem it terrible to waterboard terrorists. You won't like this comparision, but ever have a wave knock you around at the beach? Don't take that as a direct comparison. How bad does waterboarding look compared to, oh, being burned as torture? Real torture makes w.b. look like nothing. Have you seen Mike Moore's (hate em) "Sicko" where they show the "luxuries" in GITMO?

[integral]

Despite some of his more bizarre, unreal, libertarian-style pronouncements it's moments like this that endear the guy to me.

And christies, in these GOP debates he always come across like the only sane man on the stage.

[dan2avp1]

Give to Ron Paul lets start this party. I'm so Pi___ed right now.

[BIGZENPIT]

Dr. Paul is the only SANE candidate on that stage. I tell you this: If any one of those FASCISTS manage to take the White House, oh, yes, there will be war. There will be war both at home and abroad. Just the way they want it. God help us all.

[RandomShellAccount]

I am livid right now. I don't feel like 'getting along' anymore with my HIJACKED government and these Corporate Statist Authoritarian Fascist FUCKS.

This is deliberate. We have psychopaths on that stage who will get us all NUKED by their rhetoric and demeanor. NONE of them deserve the White House like Ron Paul does. NONE

I could totally go off right now, this shit is making me raving mad. I feel like smashing their faces, every single one.

[Qweeqeh13]

This is absolutely ludicrous! They are acting as if he doesn't stand a chance in hell but yet expect us to beleive that Herman Cain or Newt Gingrich do??? LMAO! We've been thrown under the bus folks...

[RandomShellAccount]

Here's the deal everyone. the Neoconservatives on the stage OTHER than Ron Paul, run the show. Ron Paul is being deliberately ignored and shafted.

Not to sound paranoid but there are some evil forces behind this. I saw candidates openly condoning regime change, assassination of leaders, overthrowing leaders, TORTURE, and people applauded.

And the only sensible honest man, Ron Paul, gets thrown under the bus.

This is willful. It's obvious. And I don't feel PEACEFUL.

No peace anymore. No more.

[FrakersFace]

The ending with Bachmann is hilarious, and I give credit to the CBS prick moderator for laying down the law:

"No, you will shut your cunt face the fuck up, bitch."

[krisorulzz]

DAT SUIT

[misserin1987]

please keep uploading i only see 2 right now

[LibertySource]

@misserin1987 He only had 2 responses in the televised segment.

[stocktrade83]

Its time to GET PISSED people! You had better get out and do everything you can this election to get people aware of Ron Paul and whats going on, I GUARANTEE you will NOT have another chance, Ron Paul, or REVOLUTION and CIVIL WAR. He tells us this, and he has been right about everything else, if you want to have a good life, and want your children to grow up, get him elected THIS TIME. I'm ready either way, I know whats coming if he doesn't take office, and we start war with Iran.

[integral]

@stocktrade83 I guess you'd better grab your gun and get ready for Armageddon then, because you know as well as I do that RP stands a snowball's chance in hell of being the GOP nominee, right?

[preteristaynrand]

2 questions, tops, today. They be a'scared of the Doctor.....

[NotTooLate2008]

It's time the Ron Paul people march on Washington. We need to show our numbers!!! Someone set a date and let's go! He got the loudest applause!

[r87y]

Please keep uploading, this is all I'm able to get right now

[awsomedude335]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!?! THEY GAVE HIM ONLY ONE QUESTION THAT WHOLE DEBATE!!!? MAKES ME SICK

[cionnathomathuna]

@awsomedude335 i know! did you notice the first question he got asked he was the ONLY one that was told he had just 30 seconds for his response! everyone else got one minute and was asked waaaaaaay more questions than he was especially Romney and Gingrich who were asked additional follow up questions on top of their original responses. then again why are we even surprised by this shit anymore?

[ross2376]

@awsomedude335 No, he has other questions. This is just one of them. The debate is still going on.

[mixfight11]

@awsomedude335 they gave him 89 seconds to speak in the whole debate