Just like in the Real World, most people are not creative, and in fact... they are mediocre. So whether they get involved with Second Life, or sitting in some bar, or riding their bikes... they continue to be 'noncreative', what's new there? Second Life is best, for creating. Chatting or any other 'social' usage, is inane.
what makes me sad is what a great place and people and content second life provided it would be such a shame to see all the in world creators and investors ignored and the platform to fail and die a slow death and that would just be a waste of many good hour and created content to just fizzle out
Tsk Tsk Philip ( what a mess you have left behind )
this is nice as far as it goes. frankly, i don't think it's fair to Mark. i think Mark did care. i think he did know SL. he did explore SL. all you have to do is look at his flickr pages to see that. and he was talked into doing the art show, it wasn't his idea. he initially showed some of his doodles on his flickr pages. Mark was just wrong about some things. Mark made some big mistakes. He tried to make Second Life like Facebook and Twitter. And that's not what SL is all about.
I cannot possibly say how well this video reflects exactly how I feel. It is sad to see a world I love so much be destroyed by such an incompetent false leader.
I went to the last convention and Philip was there, easy to meet and chat to. He liked Mark, and he's not out of the picture. All great things go through transitions..we are not exactly the Burning Man dream that Philip first followed when he created this place, but in this big picture, if we hang on, I bet we can create a place for us all. Cheers to Second Life!
I went to the last convention and Philip was there, easy to meet and chat to. He liked Mark, and he's not out of the picture. All great things go through transitions..we are not exactly the Burning Man dream that Philip first followed when he created this place, but in this big picture, if we hang on, I bet we can create a place for us all. Cheers to Second Life!
I went to the last convention and Philip was there, easy to meet and chat to. He liked Mark, and he's not out of the picture. All great things go through transitions..we are not exactly the Burning Man dream that Philip first followed when he created this place, but in this big picture, if we hang on, I bet we can create a place for us all. Cheers to Second Life!
AGREED completely! I've been on SL since mid 2005 and seen it all come---and GO. Huge mistakes have been made and the loyal users are being driven away. What we need now is an entirely NEW and DIFFERENT SL started by the employees who left, so we can get back to what it's all about.
I'm pissed at M. Linden too,because when the Zindra thing started,there were protests but it seems like LL seems to say fuck you to us people in Second Life and ignoring us,while ruining Second Life.
Mark Kingdon made art and forced it to be exhibited on Second Life? That's FRAGGING FANTASTIC. Perhaps you could highlight your naked nepotism in a special callout box in the middle of your BROKEN VIEWER 2.0?
The creative chronology of the video was interesting. Unless you were there for it, in which it was distracting and obvious that they're just throwing mud to push their own point.
I'm split internally on this issue. On one hand, here's something that makes my virtual artistic soul cringe about the ongling Disneyfication of Second Life. But on the other hand, I think that Linden Lab has the right to take their business in whatever direction they choose.
Maybe the problem isn't that LL are Men In Suits, but that WE are no longer willing to leave the comfort of Second Life for the new frontiers (OpenSim Grids, Blue Mars, etc.)
I agree with most of the points. SL no longer "feels" like the creative wonderland many of us started with. The corporate overlay "feels" like they are prepping the company for sale so the VCs, Adobe execs and Mr. Kingdon can cash out. It's not a long term strategy. It's a 6-month one. Viewer 2 does nothing to address retention but does everything to annoy current "customers". (You know, the ones that take you almost 100 signups to keep.)
SL was never good to begin with. To say it revolutionized anything is a complete joke, and to put any faith in any of it's employees is even more laughable.
Well, that video takes a mixed bag of quotes and information and arranges it, drawing lines from one thing to the next in ways that I don't feel make much sense. It misses out things that don't fit the editor's scenario, and tries to reduce a very complicated history to something very simple, which doesn't work at all for me.
There are issues and problems, as well as triumphs and breakthroughs, but this video, to me, is just lazy thinking and doesn't help anything.
Thank you for this awesome video. It says what I have been feeling now for awhile. GIVE US BACK OUR WORLD!!!!
I have been on SL for 4 years in June.... and because of their money grubbing, I have lost places I loved, people I cared about are no longer in communication, and now they give us SL2.0? Phhttt. I can barely TYPE in SL now!
You're right,because i remember places like The Yiff Factory and that Second Life was more populated than how it is now,and When the Lindens actually listened to us instead of it going in one ear and out the other.
@Axelwolf98 You realize that if there are fewer people dressed up as human / animal hybrids engaging in cybersex in SL, the investors behind Linden Lab (and others) will see that as an improvement of their product, right?
@Axelwolf98 Yes, but you have made a comment about a place named "Yiff Factory", so this is rather irrelevant. If you don't want people to associate furries with "yiffing", then don't encourage them to make that association.
As a nearly 3 year resident of SL I can tell you that turning SL into a giant 3D chat room is not what the majority of us came to SL for. We gave time and treasure to create that world, Linden Lab created the platform...we created the world.
A provocative video raising some of the issues that irk parts of SL's residential communities, presented wholly out of any context in what seems to be empty, yet negative, propaganda without purpose. SL has the need to take a more realistic position that accomodates the actual success of a visionary environment. Progress is progress and it is a shame when those on the frontier exhibit the reactionary tendencies many of them went there to escape.
Some resident frustrations are current but some more current press coverage, i.e., virtual meetings for companies, is left out. I'm using SL for education (and don't detest the new viewer) so seem to be on the wrong team here. Nice production and worthy of resident feedback and discussion. The resident community makes Second Life. That can't be overstated, can't be overlooked.
While many of the facts here are simply NOT TRUE, and I do think Mark and his team has all the good intentions. I do agree that something is missing... Mark?
@yeshasivan Could you highlight some of the "many".. "facts here" that "are simply NOT TRUE"? That may help people understand your point a little better.
@gracemcdunnough The claim that SL "revolutionized art, education, music" etc is simply exaggerated. The idea that the the quality of experience only started to get diminished after M Linden took over as CEO may sounds ridiculous to everyone who remembers the lag issues and grid instability from 2007 and earlier years. And going into SL has _always_ been the equivalent of running a field marketing program in Iraq.
@BrokenCurtain Precisely my point - "the claim", "the idea" and the last is a quote from someone else - those are statements of opinion, not presented as facts. Your reply is also opinion.
My perspective is that this is wholly an opinion piece, you might call it an artistic statement - the likes of which are sometimes presented in provocative ways to stimulate discussion.
More than anything, I believe we need things like this that can move us to discussion since we are inertial by nature.
@yeshasivan It's not my video, I'm just temporarily hosting it on my channel for a discussion in the SL Universe forum. Check the link in the description.
Saddest video I've ever seen. And it continues to ignore the very people who made it Be.
AngelleSL 1 month ago
Just like in the Real World, most people are not creative, and in fact... they are mediocre. So whether they get involved with Second Life, or sitting in some bar, or riding their bikes... they continue to be 'noncreative', what's new there? Second Life is best, for creating. Chatting or any other 'social' usage, is inane.
doceigen 5 months ago
fucking creeps
nutcase1112 10 months ago
what makes me sad is what a great place and people and content second life provided it would be such a shame to see all the in world creators and investors ignored and the platform to fail and die a slow death and that would just be a waste of many good hour and created content to just fizzle out
Tsk Tsk Philip ( what a mess you have left behind )
fungus001 1 year ago
Phillip Linden just replaced M. Linden. Now hopefully things will start getting back to the way they were,and Second Life will be popular again.
Axelwolf98 1 year ago
this is nice as far as it goes. frankly, i don't think it's fair to Mark. i think Mark did care. i think he did know SL. he did explore SL. all you have to do is look at his flickr pages to see that. and he was talked into doing the art show, it wasn't his idea. he initially showed some of his doodles on his flickr pages. Mark was just wrong about some things. Mark made some big mistakes. He tried to make Second Life like Facebook and Twitter. And that's not what SL is all about.
wizzygynoid 1 year ago
I cannot possibly say how well this video reflects exactly how I feel. It is sad to see a world I love so much be destroyed by such an incompetent false leader.
HorridTwine 1 year ago
It's no longer on blip - so I can't thank whoever made this - but Cheers! Well said.
Nitwacket 1 year ago
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Nitwacket 1 year ago
Hi Broken,
I went to the last convention and Philip was there, easy to meet and chat to. He liked Mark, and he's not out of the picture. All great things go through transitions..we are not exactly the Burning Man dream that Philip first followed when he created this place, but in this big picture, if we hang on, I bet we can create a place for us all. Cheers to Second Life!
LenniFoxtrot 1 year ago
Hi Broken,
I went to the last convention and Philip was there, easy to meet and chat to. He liked Mark, and he's not out of the picture. All great things go through transitions..we are not exactly the Burning Man dream that Philip first followed when he created this place, but in this big picture, if we hang on, I bet we can create a place for us all. Cheers to Second Life!
LenniFoxtrot 1 year ago
Hi Broken,
I went to the last convention and Philip was there, easy to meet and chat to. He liked Mark, and he's not out of the picture. All great things go through transitions..we are not exactly the Burning Man dream that Philip first followed when he created this place, but in this big picture, if we hang on, I bet we can create a place for us all. Cheers to Second Life!
LenniFoxtrot 1 year ago
AGREED completely! I've been on SL since mid 2005 and seen it all come---and GO. Huge mistakes have been made and the loyal users are being driven away. What we need now is an entirely NEW and DIFFERENT SL started by the employees who left, so we can get back to what it's all about.
BonnyBunny4real 1 year ago
I'm pissed at M. Linden too,because when the Zindra thing started,there were protests but it seems like LL seems to say fuck you to us people in Second Life and ignoring us,while ruining Second Life.
Axelwolf98 1 year ago 2
Mark Kingdon made art and forced it to be exhibited on Second Life? That's FRAGGING FANTASTIC. Perhaps you could highlight your naked nepotism in a special callout box in the middle of your BROKEN VIEWER 2.0?
Marc Kingdon from the Magic Kingdom,
Had an audience but he couldn't keep 'em.
The world he wanted to Disneyify
The grievances he wouldn't rectify
And now he's back to PowerPoint preachin'.
Kanomitube 1 year ago 4
Thanks for hosting this for comment, BrokenCurtain.
MimikaOh 1 year ago
The creative chronology of the video was interesting. Unless you were there for it, in which it was distracting and obvious that they're just throwing mud to push their own point.
TheBalooUriza 1 year ago
Whiners. That's what makes SL difficult.
Bettinatizzy 1 year ago
I'm split internally on this issue. On one hand, here's something that makes my virtual artistic soul cringe about the ongling Disneyfication of Second Life. But on the other hand, I think that Linden Lab has the right to take their business in whatever direction they choose.
Maybe the problem isn't that LL are Men In Suits, but that WE are no longer willing to leave the comfort of Second Life for the new frontiers (OpenSim Grids, Blue Mars, etc.)
botgirlq 1 year ago
OMG, I'm quoted in the video!!! :D
I agree with most of the points. SL no longer "feels" like the creative wonderland many of us started with. The corporate overlay "feels" like they are prepping the company for sale so the VCs, Adobe execs and Mr. Kingdon can cash out. It's not a long term strategy. It's a 6-month one. Viewer 2 does nothing to address retention but does everything to annoy current "customers". (You know, the ones that take you almost 100 signups to keep.)
SnickersSnook 1 year ago 2
SL was never good to begin with. To say it revolutionized anything is a complete joke, and to put any faith in any of it's employees is even more laughable.
GenericEric01 1 year ago
Well, that video takes a mixed bag of quotes and information and arranges it, drawing lines from one thing to the next in ways that I don't feel make much sense. It misses out things that don't fit the editor's scenario, and tries to reduce a very complicated history to something very simple, which doesn't work at all for me.
There are issues and problems, as well as triumphs and breakthroughs, but this video, to me, is just lazy thinking and doesn't help anything.
OspreyTherian 1 year ago
Thank you for this awesome video. It says what I have been feeling now for awhile. GIVE US BACK OUR WORLD!!!!
I have been on SL for 4 years in June.... and because of their money grubbing, I have lost places I loved, people I cared about are no longer in communication, and now they give us SL2.0? Phhttt. I can barely TYPE in SL now!
MorganaShi 1 year ago 3
@MorganaShi
You're right,because i remember places like The Yiff Factory and that Second Life was more populated than how it is now,and When the Lindens actually listened to us instead of it going in one ear and out the other.
Axelwolf98 1 year ago
@Axelwolf98 You realize that if there are fewer people dressed up as human / animal hybrids engaging in cybersex in SL, the investors behind Linden Lab (and others) will see that as an improvement of their product, right?
BrokenCurtain 1 year ago
@BrokenCurtain You realize that not all furries are into yiff,there are sims like Luskwood which i've been and they disallow anything like yiff.
Axelwolf98 1 year ago
@Axelwolf98 Yes, but you have made a comment about a place named "Yiff Factory", so this is rather irrelevant. If you don't want people to associate furries with "yiffing", then don't encourage them to make that association.
BrokenCurtain 1 year ago
I'm going to submit a YouTube bug report since I can't dislike this video more than once.
OpensourceObscure 1 year ago
I was gonna say this is pretty but there's not much fact here. A shame nowadays people listen to pretty.
holodocdr 1 year ago
As a nearly 3 year resident of SL I can tell you that turning SL into a giant 3D chat room is not what the majority of us came to SL for. We gave time and treasure to create that world, Linden Lab created the platform...we created the world.
brindaallen 1 year ago 11
A provocative video raising some of the issues that irk parts of SL's residential communities, presented wholly out of any context in what seems to be empty, yet negative, propaganda without purpose. SL has the need to take a more realistic position that accomodates the actual success of a visionary environment. Progress is progress and it is a shame when those on the frontier exhibit the reactionary tendencies many of them went there to escape.
MalBurns 1 year ago 10
Some resident frustrations are current but some more current press coverage, i.e., virtual meetings for companies, is left out. I'm using SL for education (and don't detest the new viewer) so seem to be on the wrong team here. Nice production and worthy of resident feedback and discussion. The resident community makes Second Life. That can't be overstated, can't be overlooked.
trudytakacs 1 year ago 3
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trudytakacs 1 year ago
While many of the facts here are simply NOT TRUE, and I do think Mark and his team has all the good intentions. I do agree that something is missing... Mark?
yeshasivan 1 year ago
@yeshasivan Could you highlight some of the "many".. "facts here" that "are simply NOT TRUE"? That may help people understand your point a little better.
gracemcdunnough 1 year ago 3
@gracemcdunnough The claim that SL "revolutionized art, education, music" etc is simply exaggerated. The idea that the the quality of experience only started to get diminished after M Linden took over as CEO may sounds ridiculous to everyone who remembers the lag issues and grid instability from 2007 and earlier years. And going into SL has _always_ been the equivalent of running a field marketing program in Iraq.
BrokenCurtain 1 year ago
@BrokenCurtain Precisely my point - "the claim", "the idea" and the last is a quote from someone else - those are statements of opinion, not presented as facts. Your reply is also opinion.
My perspective is that this is wholly an opinion piece, you might call it an artistic statement - the likes of which are sometimes presented in provocative ways to stimulate discussion.
More than anything, I believe we need things like this that can move us to discussion since we are inertial by nature.
gracemcdunnough 1 year ago
@gracemcdunnough I fully agree, which is why I volunteered to host this video on my channel.
BrokenCurtain 1 year ago
@yeshasivan It's not my video, I'm just temporarily hosting it on my channel for a discussion in the SL Universe forum. Check the link in the description.
BrokenCurtain 1 year ago