It's a reason why Joe is overlooked. He lacks the credentials of the great ones. He's got a losing record 1 win 4 losses in the 5 biggest fights of his life . He won his title by knocking out Ali's sparring partner rather than beating a Champion for it, in a ridiculous tournament that the best 2 heavies were not invited to. Defended his title just 3 times then Big George slaughtered him to take it. Bested by Ali 2-1 & TKOed/slaughtered by George TKO 2x; ducked Liston,Shavers,Lyle, Norton,Holmes.
@wthjrtx1 Only proves Joe is the "White Man's Champion", just as Black people said he was when he willfully accepted Ali's ill stripped title without having beat Ali in the ring. Unbelievable! He actually accepted the title. Just like Elvis said, Ali is the PEOPLE'S Champion, and Joe died a hateful footnote to Ali. Serves all you filthy haters right. Racist pigs.
@wthjrtx1 Get excited! Get excited over the truth; me & Ali love it. Quite an intelligent comment you made.But why are you blaming me? I didn't say it. I didn't make it up; Frazier was upset cuz practically the whole world including Elvis was saying it, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, the Americas;not me, not just Black people, the world. It's history, it happened, all you can do is accept it. Joe did & it embittered him that he was not wholly accepted as the champ cuz Ali was People's Champ.
You send me a combative comment..Now you want to be sociologist and historian...
BOY....You better pass me by... I'm way to much for you.
Frazier had no choice in his time. He made the decision to box long before the trouble with the 60's. Your just a moron that is trolling you punk headcase..
@wthjrtx1 Yep, you prove what Joe is alright. Why wouldn't I send you a combative comment? I do it all the time when people make stupid comments, wholly lacking common sense like, "Joe can say whatever he wants and get my respect." Dude, that's just stupid; something a dunce or a wife would say. Why the hell would I pass you by? You're entertaining like a dumbass comedian, plus you're easy. You're easy cuz you're stupid. And I can tell this isn't the only time you've been called stupid. Genius!
@wthjrtx1 Another stupid comment. You're on a roll, cause I control you. Why on earth would you say, "You are a waste of time", then spend your time stupidly commenting to me? Just like your other posts, this ones just stupid too. How often are you called stupid during the course of your day? Leave the real work to you? Why? Cuz anyone dumb enough to say, "Joe can say whatever he wants and get my respect," isn't intelligent enough to do real work. I can see you mowing lawns or something.
@crownedful Classy Champion?Hateful,embittered,overshadowed & over rated Joe Frazier? KOed Joe? He couldn't even open his mouth without spewing hate.He won the title by knocking out Ali's sparring partner in a shameful sham of an elimination tournament while the best 2 heavyweights were uninvited (Ali and NABF HW Champ Sonny Liston). He had just 3 successful title defenses before getting slaughtered by Big George; thereafter he went 4-0 against the only 2 Big Boys he had heart enough to face.
@MrPerryrice Ali was the one with the hatred--and don't give me that BS it was about hyping a fight that needed no hyping. Ali ruined Frazier's standing in the Black Community. One black man calls another a Tom and a gorilla that will cause a throw-- down something you will never understand. Ali the FAKE mad himself out to be the black mans champ when Frazier was blacker in every way. Ali grew up privileged for a back man in the 60's in KY. Frazier worked and broke his back in a field.
@crownedful Broke his back working in a field &that makes him blacker than Ali? That's how you define a Black person?Sharecropping in a field is your definition of being Black?That's where you see Black people's place in society,sharecroppin in a damn field,exploited by 'ole Massa?Why mention that?U just added to Frazier's image as a Tom.U criticize Ali's father for avoiding that by being self employed & buying a home in a middle class BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD for his family? Isn't that black too?
@MrPerryrice Fazier was a great fighter--its no shame losing to Foreman or Ali--you are just a hater yourself. Frazier had more heart than anybody. Ellis was a ranked fighter--Quarry was a ranked fighter--Bonavena was a ranked fighter as was Chuvalo. I have news for you Ali quit on his stool in round 14 in the Thrilla in Manila--if Futch would have known that --history would have been different. Stop trying to diminish Frazier. Try reading and stop discrediting. the only hater is you. POS
@crownedful Frazier had 1 great fight in his life,superseded by 4 even bigger losses.He was very good,not great. Ali was no Black man's champion,he was PEOPLE's Champion,&the people of ALL COLORS gave him that title,he didn't give it to himself,even Elvis gave him a robe with that title emblazened across it.It didn't say Black Man's Champion. Ellis,Quarry,Bonevena-all 2nd tier fighters. Joe lost 1-4 to the only 2 Big Boys he ever faced,they're great,Joe's very good. Joe quit,not Ali. Don't hate.
@cambay411 Young fighters have a tendency to "make excuses" or claim they won when they lost. It's hard for them to accept a defeat when they put so much into training and preparing for a fight, then fight as hard as those guys did. However, in older age Ali freely admits he lost the first fight with Frazier. Frazier however, as bitter as he is, still claims he won all three fights because of the shape Ali is in now. Very bitter man. Time to get over it Frazier.
who cares who won ali or frazier both men are amazing fighters there fights where good and both men are legends old men that they are now BOTH will always be rememberd in history
wtf is joe frazier talking about ali paid off the judges IN THE 2ND FIGHT why does every boxer have an exuse when they lose .. ALI WAS THE ONLY BOXER TO EVER ACCEPT DEFEAT without exuse .. joe frazier after the first fight was in intensive care for 30days he couldnt even urinate MUHAMMAD ALI THE GREATEST BOXER THAT HAS EVER LIVED GOD BLESS YOU
@THOMASBANTON You clearly don't know a frazier joke when your hearing one. Joe frazier on his best night is capable of beating anyone. Only ever lost to two different men, ali and foreman. And theres no shame in losing to either of them.
@XavierMarciano I DONT THINK HE WOULD I DONT THINK ALI OR FOREMAN WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT GOOD AGAINST THE GENERATION OF HEAVYWEIGHTS THAT CAME AFTER THEM COZ THEY WERE BIGGER AND MORE ATHLETIC THAN THE GUYS THEY WERE COMING ACCROSS IN THEIR ERAS AND THEY COULD REALLY MOVE,THEY PROBABLY WOULD BEAT MOST OF THEM BUT I DONT THEY WOULD JUST DESTROY THEM LIKE EVER1 SAYS THEY WILL
@THOMASBANTON Whats that i smell, the stench of a tyson fan, i hope im wrong. Well prime tyson would get ko'd by ali within 10 rounds here is why, prime tyson faced no quality opposition, the biggest name he beat was larry holmes and holmes was 39, prime tyson beat bums and past their best fighters, where as ali faced frazier, norton, shavers, liston, foreman and many more. Ali would definetly beat tyson, so would frazier.
@XavierMarciano No pal im an ali fan tyson was so quick and had so much skill with his style of fighting all the guys you mentioned never had what tyson had,and when ali throws them sometimes sloppy right hands and gets too relaxed in there tyson could step to the side of him and bang him harder than hes ever been hit b4,tyson was a different breed compared to those guys,i just think that it would be the test of his life and if tyson caught him early he could knock him out
@THOMASBANTON Tyson does not hit as hard as foreman or shavers and ali took their punches. Ali was a much better fighter than tyson. Ali fought real wars in the ring, tyson never came back in a fight he was losing. Ali has the fastest hands of any heavyweight ever same for footspeed, he also had great stamina, chin, heart, resolve, douglas beat tyson cos he has 83 inch reach. Ali would pump his jab into tyson, tyson cut and swelled easily, so ali would shred tyson up. Ali would also psyche mike
@XavierMarciano I think tyson hit harder and if he didnt he had more speed and technique and was a rapid 2 fisted power puncher,and douglas had more power to stop him in his tracks,you have to admit ali never met any1 like mike frazier very similar yes but not with that power and speed and technique,ali was the pioneer for the new breed of athlete and set the examples and the next generation can only get better and better,like holmes he copied ali but took in the good and left out the bad
@THOMASBANTON You said you were an ali fan and yet here you are pressing how tyson would beat him. Tyson never faced a figher as fast or as great as ali, hell a 38 year old larry holmes fought tyson for the heavyweight title, that shows how poor the quality of opposition was in tyson's era
@XavierMarciano Alright i think the way ali could beat tyson is if he danced for 2-3 rounds maybe more and didnt punch just fainted with his jab to make tyson flinch and move his head side to side as he did and slow him down and make him miss then maybe he would be out of danger to open up and then i think he could do a number on him,but if he went out there and went at him like he did frazier then i think it would be good night sweetheart,tyson was completely different to them lot ali faced
@THOMASBANTON Oh god I agree with that, Im not talking about the ali that faced frazier, in the first frazier fight ali was already 29, and a hell of a lot slower, im talking about a 22 year old ali before he went to prison, lets say the ali that faced cleveland willams
@XavierMarciano Same same mate williams didnt have any head movement or nothing it was a turkey shoot but a godly performance,tyson was lethal and like i said b4 he could knock any1 out early,plus i think its a factor that tysons opponents were alot bigger and heavier and ali at his best would only what 212 pounds and would brake easier then the big boys,if he did it like i said with the fainting and stuff to slow him down and not get hit early then yes he will do him,tyson could counteranything
@THOMASBANTON He took a few huge shavers shots and he didn't break, I would still back ali, he has better handspeed, footspeed, chin, heart, stamina, mental strength, and faced better quality opposition, for those reasons I would back ali.
@THOMASBANTON Judge Tyson by what he did in the ring;slaughtered every second tier fighter to ever cross his path,cept of course the first one who showed no fear of him,Buster Douglass;then Mike went down ingloriously to every top heavy he ever faced in his life.& you say he would give Ali competition, &bang him harder than he's ever been banged before? So what Ali has never been KOed, and only got TKOed by the great Larry Holmes when Ali was sick. Tyson's no different than those Ali whipped.
say wat yall want, but i believe if ALI would have never been suspended from boxing & striped of his title smoking joe would have never been a heavy weight champ. he would have never got that belt from Ali for real & not by default. But give respect where its due Joe Frazier was a beast...
Yeh it does mean you can fight. Foreman was tired he wasn't out. If you wanna see someone up who can't fight look at Earnie Shavers and Roy Williams which happened after Zaire. Joe Frazier didn't get lucky one time, in Manilla he wanted to continue blind and the score cards were drawn or had Ali ahead by one and Ali wanted to quit. You should know something about a subject before you spout your projected homosexual fantasies.
@Ironbob2006 RIGHT! Lost 1-4 to the only two Big Boys he ever faced.Defended his title just 3 or4 times before he was dethroned?Never fought the biggest bangers of his day,NABF Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston in1969(&the tournament ducked him?)Shavers,Lyle,Norton, &the undefeated 22-0 Contender young Larry Holmes?Even Foreman getting a chance was a Yank Durham blunder in their hysterical determination to duck at all costs risking Joe's title again in the highly demanded &dangerous Ali rematch.
if it were not for ali, frazier would hardly have been known. he only defended the title 4 times 1st against bob foster (light heavy) 2nd against ali who'd just had a 3 year lay off and god knows how he won that having spent a month in hospital after the fight. 3rd terry daniels who'd lost 30 fights from 66 and ron standar who'd lost 21 fights from 6. hardly a good record. he is only remembered for his fights with ali. ali defended the title 19 times
@jackjay1 Teach it, teach! Let me add just one thing: He's remembered also for Cosell's "Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier; the Heavyweight champion of the world is taking the mandatory eight count!" when big George slaughtered him in one of the most famous knockout sequences EVER. Frazier is only remembered for Ali first and Big George second; beyond that, the man would be lost in obscurity.
@jackjay1 Damn;what a great comment.Informative as hell.Joe's the most over rated champion in Heavyweight history,owing to his 1victory against a ring rusty and winded, comming off of a 3 &1half year lay-off Muhammad Ali. Ali should have done what Dundee advised him to do: have a full year of tune up fights then challenge Frazier in 1972.The arrogant Ali did not listen; thought he could have just 2 tune ups against the likes of Quarry and Bonevena then jump in the ring with the Heavyweight champ
Frazier was a REAL figher. He forced his opponents to fight by constantly pressuring them. Heavyweights today are afraid to stand and fight, since Holyfield there really hasn't been a heavyweight that was willing to engage in that kind of brutal fighting.
joe frazier is a fraud, a liar and a phony! he calls foreman a good man while foreman tried to kill em in the ring. he also says he won ali vs frazier 2 while he lost 11 rounds. for me he has no credibility whatsoever. his boxing style of leaning on his opponent which disabled them from extending their arms is a fradulent way to fight also. and i wonder what he had to do to avoid the draft in mid 1967? its not what you know its who u b so the saying goes he waited to fight ali after layoff
Jeryd your a loser and an idiot and i bet you have never even been in a boxing ring. Smokin Joe is one of the toughest and greatest fighters of all time. Your an idiot, and as for draft dodging what about ali, and as for styles lets just say that ali was never a tyson. He ran he leaned on ropes he talked so much shit and roped up anyone that came close to him. Ali was a legend, but no way the greatest of all time, and i would rank tyson and robinson above ali.
well smoke yall been smoking too much of something hahahaha the 1960's ali and the 1970's ali are two different boxers in other words lets play magic if the 1960's ali fought the 1970's ali the 1960's alil destroys the 1970's ali if one has any sense of fair-play one has got to acknowledge ali superiority in the 1960's where he didn't do any ropeadope had a record of 29-0 with 24 ko's you wont see any ropeing in ali's 1960's fight he was aggresive and offensive, then the military destroyed him!
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
Former heavyweight champion Joe Frazier, 60, was arrested in February 2004 and charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment. According to Philadelphia cops, Smokin' Joe's victim was the 44-year-old mother of one of his sons
Smokin joe is a legend, because he fought legends, and beat legends. Ali would not have been the legend he is,had it not have been for his amazing fights against frazier. Your only as good as your competition, and all i can say is ali vs frazier trilogy is amazing piece of boxing history, and no matter which side your on, you must give respect to both, or you have no respect for boxing, history or the human spirit.
No mate your not very well educated in boxing history, ali beat an over the hill, sonny liston, a very weak flloyd patterson. Ali's greatest fights and what really cemented him as a legend were his fights with frazier. Foreman was a great victory and the icing on the cake because of the odds, but a shitty fight, the thriller in manilla was an amazing fight not many boxers could withstand that kind of pressure. Thats what made Ali a legend !
i don't think you are very well educated pal.liston over the hill at 32 fought 16 times after losing to ali. (till his death. he was due to fight george chuvalo, did not retire) a weak paterson at 30 fought another 16 fights after losing to ali, ali retired him 7 years later.and you say the foreman fight was shitty. it was a great fight. a lesson for foreman. frazier did not fair as well did he. styles my friend from another of your comments.
no no fuck off ali beat a prime liston, liston was still the most feared man in boxing so dont give me that shit he played around with patterson he beat henry cooper twice he kncoked out archie moore. ali was already a legend with or without frazier, even though you are right but one thing frazier did make ali more famous but ali would have fucked frazier and foremans shit up if he was in his prime
One of ali's famous quotes was that he couldnt have done the things he had done without Joe Frazier. Your and idiot archie 180 years old moore, and sonny liston,he was an overhyped one dimensional bully, who the second someone stood up to him he cowered. And cooper would have beaten Ali except for the cuts. Ali is king of all boxers, but experts will tell you its because of his battles with smokin Joe.
@smokingunoz Joe is a legend only because of Ali; Ali was a legend before 1971 and without Frazier, because he became legendary as soon as he whipped Liston. His legend was already etched in stone forever due to his work in the 1960s, 1970s Ali just added to the already legend of Ali.
@smokingunoz Are you insane?He beat no legend(s) Only 1, ring rusty and winded Ali after a 3 1/2 year layoff &never could do it again.As far as champions go Joe fought just 2 damn legends &got slaughtered 1-4 in a losing ass record against them both(Ali &Foreman).Compare that to the other champions who fought many legends: Ali=Liston,Patterson,Frazier,Foreman,Holmes; Holmes=Ali,Tyson,Holyfield,Spinks; Holy=Tyson,Foreman,Holmes,Lennox;need I go on?Only your last point is valid.Down goes Frazier!!
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
uncle joe is a glass jawed joker,Oh I watched a documentary that said Uncle joe was a good guy just shut the fuck up you whiny little pussies,Uncle joe got his ass kicked three times by ali and twice by foreman and that is this crackheads legacy
he ducked any big puncher of his era like a coward,was one of the most protected champions of all time
all time great? fuck no the guys an overrated fraud
If he was such a pushover why did Ali say he was the hardest fighter that he had faced. You could not have stood up to any of these guys so shut the hell up!
mate you are obviously in no situation whatsoever to pass any judgement on a man like joe frazier, what have you ever done with your miserable life other than to try to tear down other peoples accomplishments. Joe you are a legend and fought in the greatest era boxing has ever seen, well at least the heavyweight division and till this day have the most ferocious left hook of all time. Smokin joe happy to your still smokin.
@ricflarefucknsucks And his ducking ass only defended his title 4 measly times before getting slaughtered & losing it to Foreman; then he ingloriously lost every damn 1 of his big fights after that: decision/TKO/TKO, retirement at 32 cause he could not beat the 70s crew of big heavies,Ali,Foreman, & stood a good chance of getting his block knocked off by Shavers, Lyle, Norton, &the up and comming 22-0 Contender young Larry Holmes.How in hell did Joe avoid having to fight these fighters? Mystery
i am glad joe makes fun of alis condition he deserves it. ali called frazier an uncle tom all the time in a time where there was a lot of racial prejudice. fraziers kids got beat up for the things ali said. also i like how everyone forgets that ali spoke at KKK rally's. thats no bullshit they invited him to speak because he was all about racial solidarity.
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no one forgets anything because it wasn't true,It was a joke story told by Ali who got such a story from the one Jack Johnson once told,The most famous man on the planet speaks at a dying white supremacist organisation's rally's,lol a dumb uneducated cunt like you would believe that
now go suck uncle joe's shriveled old cock because the nigger needs the attention
I agree that Frazier's behavior concerning Ali's desease has no class. The things Ali said about his opponents on camera was a part of his strategy of defeating them. He took after Jack Johnson. (the book of David Remnick). Joe shows his narrow way of thinking by such behavior!
I respect Smokin Joe as a fight fan but it is really low of him to mock Ali's condition. What happened back then happened. Ali and Fraiser were healthy champs and it was nothing more than building hype. Fraiser shouldnt feel so threatened by him - its not behaviour befitting of such a great champ/legend.
I wont feel so bad the next time I see Foreman destroying him.
Frazier wasn't threatened BY Ali. He was threatened by the influence Ali had over mainstream society and especially the black community. He called Frazier things like an Uncle Tom, the other kind of negro, etc. and so a lot of the black community erroneously either misinterpreted those things as true or inferred that because the agreed with Ali's political views that they had to be against the more apolitical Frazier. Frazier and his family recieved death threats for that.
@inktankproductions - Ali was my favorite champ since my earliest days, but sadly I can see why Joe felt so low of Ali. Ali said things that were detestable and indicative of his own self hatred. Some things you just don't say and Ali crossed the line too many times. Anything Smokin Joe ever said towards Ali in meanness was earned. A person's continuous degrading comments can cause someone to have permanent contempt. Without Joe, Ali would not have been the legend he is and vice versa.
I love Ali like no other fighter and I hqave him as number 1 of all time in his prime 66 67 BUT Joe has no class?! A great of greats! Joe was all heart. U fight a guy that's insulted you for 41 rounds and get back to me. Chances are u never been in a fight in your life. Like Kenny Norton said..Joe took everything to heart. I'd like to c a movie about Joe's life.I'll yell u who has no class. You, hhhpets !!
@ssaltspring I know you wrote that 2 years ago, but id like to point out a fact that you may not know. The rocky movie was technically about joe's life but he didnt get credit for it. Joe ran up those sets of stairs of Philadelphia. That was his training regime. Althought the film wasn't about him. You get the idea.
@ssaltspring The mocking of Ali's illness, just like anyone else's is sick, and classless, and it makes Joe look and sound like an uncivilized inhuman, hateful malicious ogre (not gorilla). Joe is guilty of this classless act, and everyone should acknowledge it, even him most of all.
@MrPerryrice - you respond by saying that Smokin Joe sounds like a "uncivilized inhuman, hateful malicious ogre". How civilized is your language? Ali spoke visciously and degradingly against Joe many many times without apology but you have no blame for Ali. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. Ali was my fav champ but he drew the response from Joe on himself. I bet Ali would admit this now that he is wiser and much more mature. He has no hard feelings about Joe, and neither should you.
@avoice77 Very civilized,thank you. & for your uninformed information Joe Frazier started it (along with tomming ass Joe Louis, Patterson,Ernie Terrell &a million others) before Ali said a word against Joe in the 1960s when they disrespected Ali by refusing to call him by his legal &religious name, Muhammad Ali; which was a tasteless, tomming ass act considering the times when black people were fighting for their right to self identity.Calling him Clay was indeed TOMMING;wicked,& ignorant.
There is nothing more slave minded than when Ali spoke negatively of Joe Frazier's dark complexion. Ali made fun of Joe's strongly african features (flat nose and dark skin), and called him a "gorilla". Ali was showing PURE SLAVE mindedness by doing this. So who was the uncle tom?
Joe's response to all this was not appropriate, but for his mindset I expect that of him. Ali should have apologized for these things. All things get judged.
@avoice77 Everything Frazier did is far more Tomming than anything Ali did; and try as you might, Ali will never be known as a Tom, nor be injured by such a ridiculous notion, Joe is. And Ali was the one responding, not Joe. Aside from that, you attribute blame to both, which I am in accord with you on. Both were I believe acting inappropriately just as you say, but Ali's at least was only retaliatory, & he helped no white folks who were attacking Frazier,Joe joined the Whites attacking Ali.
@avoice77 A LESSON:Ali was not making fun of Frazier's African features;he was mocking Joe as boxings stereotypical pug fighter,who,regardless of their race were seen when Ali came up,as big,battered,ugly,smashed nosed,cauliflowered eared,stumbling,dumb apes mumbling duh,duh,duh at interviews, &these fighters were mostly whites. Ali pushed in his nose ridiculing this stereotype long before Joe came along, nobody said nothing. He caricatured Joe as Joe the pug fighter, & not as Joe the black man.
@MrPerryrice - it's common knowledge that Ali made fun of Joes African features. And Ali berated other black fighters calling them apes etc, but he was vicious and excessive towards Frazier who was more sensitive. Ali's sad behavior caused Frazier to detest him for the rest of his life. Today in hindsight, many in boxing media (and champion fighters) view Ali's words against Joe with great regret because he broke Joe down but never came back and lifted him up. He deserved an open apology.
@avoice77 Dude,Africans do not look like apes! Neither does Joe.But Joe was a club fighter,&club fighters are carciatured as hairy knuckled,pug nosed,dumb,mumbling apes named 'Rock',like in the cartoons,movies,literature; Now that's common knowledge. Club fighters,not Africans.That's all Ali's talking about when he calls Joe gorilla; but if you think of Joe's dark skin & African features when Ali says gorilla, it's only showing that you are the ones thinking Joe looks like a gorilla, not Ali.
@avoice77 GIVE ME A LESSON: Please tell me (and everybody) where I can find Ali saying anything derogatory about Frazier's complexion, his dark skin, or his African features. Tell us where Ali said it. I have followed Ali's career, and had he said such an ignorant thing I would have run across it by now. If I am wrong please tell where I can find the proof, and I'll acknowledge where I am wrong....and if you cannot find Ali saying it, you do the same.
@avoice77 Well,you scholar! Where is it? Where's this stuff Ali said about Frazier's complexion? Or African features? U have run away because U are a lying, slanderous coward. An ignorant, hateful baffoon! U are indeed dirt, Uhave not evolved to manhood or character enough to continue the stupid lie you started. Lay down and accept your miserable life you scum bag from the worse hell imaginable. You moron. Don't open your filthy mouth again unless Uknow what you are talking about. Im waiting!
@MrPerryrice - Don't even attempt to discuss the depths of racism and the slave mentality with me. I teach on these things. Ali specifically spoke against Frazier's african features nose and dark complexion. White journalists have testified to this. Ali was being negative about Joe's specific features and people in the media have confirmed this and Ali's words and gestures are recorded. Pretty boy Ali was SLAVE minded, case closed. Blk people suffer massively from slave syndrome. Are u white?
@avoice77 Well,if you teach on these things,give me the lesson I asked for.Teach me where I can find Ali specifically saying he's talking against Frazier's dark skin or African features.I've never seen him doing it anywhere.So name these 'White Journalists';who are they,where can I find their articles?Who did they testify to? Where at?When? Every one of Ali's recordings I've seen has him mocking Joe for being a Tom,or for being a dumb,battered,smashed nosed club fighter. Never for being Black.
@avoice77 And let me add that that if you are a teacher of any subject, especially of racism and the slave mentality of black folks, then your students are bound to be as ignorant, thick headed, and as dishonest as you are. Reading your posts, no one would mistake you for a teacher. But if you said you were a racist teaching at a KKK school I could believe you. Or a victim of racism, I could believe that too, Or that you suffer from slave mentality, I could believe that. But a teacher? Ha ha .
@avoice77 And I will attempt you stipid, ignorant inferior scum! And you better not ever raise your ignorant voice again where I can see it! Spewing your filthy hatred that can not even be backed by the facts. Upon my soul, dare raise up and I'll crush your evil and ignorance with good and knowledge again, just like I did in this conversation. You stupid, ignorant piece of slime! Ha ha ha! I have crushed you with good, truth and righteousness! You are dirt and are hurt, aren't you? Silence? Ha!
Did Ali ever give Joe his due? Joe gave Ali money when Ali was broke and then Ali called him everything in the book. To Joe, that is WRONG. So yes, Joe took it personal and Ali went against everything Joe was brought up on. Joe hated that Ali called himself God, that he would try to humiliate him by calling him the white peoples fighter. Calling him a gorilla and saying that negros don't look like that. Ali had no class, Archie Moore hated him, Floyd Patterson hated him because of his arrogance.
When I say that Joe has no class, I mean that it's unacceptable to make fun of someone because they have a disease such as parkinson's syndrome. Ali made fun of Joe but you can tell he wasn't serious. Joe making fun of Ali's condition is not clowning around. Would you make fun of someone who has cancer for example? That's what I mean by NO CLASS WHATSOEVER
Joe makes fun of Ali now because it's called payback for all the hurt Ali brought to him. Joe hugs Ali and calls him a man of God, his idea of Ali's condition today is brought on by the punishment he gave Ali. No one ever punished Ali the way Joe did and he takes pride in that. Just like Ali took pride in degrading and messing with the manhood of another man. Ali was heard many times in the ring saying" don't you know who I am", ' you are fighting God tonight". Ali wasn't just playing around.
Ali was heard many times in the ring saying he was God?!! By who apart from Joe? Where's your proof?
And Joe did give Ali a good beating (which is the reason we are talking about him to this day) but that gives him no right to make fun of his condition. That's just low Joe.
Archie Moore hated Ali because beat the crap out of him. LOL!!! nah Archie Moore was Ali's mentor but he dislike Ali becos dude will never shut up, he was always talking, Ali himself said he had butterflies when he fought Moore, he wanted to end it quick...but you are right Patterson hated him big time....
A person of God is not arrogant, does not call himself God, does not degrade others. Ali did all of this and the world thinks he was so wonderful. Just shows how wrong most humans are. Ali showed how we should not be and his condition today is payback for all those misdeads he did to others. Joe had more class in one finger than Ali had in his whole body.Joe still harbors bad feelings for Ali because he knows Ali really wanted to hurt Joe inside.That never leaves a MAN but Joe see's the justice.
Ali would NEVER call himself God. That's another one of Joe's lies. No one heard that comment apart from Joe. Isn't that strange?
Ali was clowning around. He didn't seriously believe any of the stuff he said. I know he comes across as arrogant, but if you listen to him in interviews, you realize that he is highly respectful of other boxers including Joe.
you do know that all those things that Ali said was to sell fights, he had a very good relationship with Joe but at that time with the depression and the state of the economy and the racial struggle, the camps both knew why Ali was doing,now don't get me wrong, Ali did go overboard with his comments and he has since apologized to Joe and his family, but that was part of showbiz at that time....
@blite13 Eat dirt U ignorant slime. U do not even know what U are talking about. Joe &the other tomming scum started it FIRST against Ali way back in the 1960s when they disrespected Alis morals, principles & religious rights by making mockery of his religious &legal name MUHAMMAD ALI by calling him, for God knows what stupid ignorant reason,Cassius Clay against his will; a violation of Ali's religious and legal rights. A classless act that Ali retaliated for,&rightly so.JOE's the 1 DEAD stupid.
@MrPerryrice Look, ya little boy, Ali never called Joe the Champ, when Joe had beaten all comers in title elimination. Ali always said in interviews that Joe couldn't talk like him, that's when Ali would push his nose in and mumble incoherant babble, imitating Joe. This was when Ali wasn't fighting, during his suspension. Joe went out of his way to help Ali out when Ali was broke, lobbied for Ali to get his fighting license back, lobbied for the Gov to let Ali fight. Ali turned on him, u = sick.
@blite13 .Why the hell should Ali call Joe the Champ when Ali is? &No, Joe didn't beat all comers; he won the title by knocking out Ali's sparring partner in a shameful sham of an elimination tournament while the best 2 heavyweights were uninvited (Ali and NABF HW Champ Sonny Liston). He had just 3 successful title defenses before getting slaughtered by Big George; thereafter he went 4-0 against the only 2 Big Boys he had heart enough to face Ali and Foreman. He's 1-4 in his 5 biggest fights.
It's a reason why Joe is overlooked. He lacks the credentials of the great ones. He's got a losing record 1 win 4 losses in the 5 biggest fights of his life . He won his title by knocking out Ali's sparring partner rather than beating a Champion for it, in a ridiculous tournament that the best 2 heavies were not invited to. Defended his title just 3 times then Big George slaughtered him to take it. Bested by Ali 2-1 & TKOed/slaughtered by George TKO 2x; ducked Liston,Shavers,Lyle, Norton,Holmes.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@ecdc41 Damn good comment. Hella respect to you.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
Joe can say whatever he wants and get my respect. He took so much crap from Ali and was overlooked by almost everyone.
He deserves my respect and admiration. A true warrior.
Thank you Mr. Frazier for making my first few years on this planet so exciting..
I would be grateful to be counted as one of your Southern White Brothers.
God bless ya CHAMP!!!!
wthjrtx1 4 months ago
@wthjrtx1 Only proves Joe is the "White Man's Champion", just as Black people said he was when he willfully accepted Ali's ill stripped title without having beat Ali in the ring. Unbelievable! He actually accepted the title. Just like Elvis said, Ali is the PEOPLE'S Champion, and Joe died a hateful footnote to Ali. Serves all you filthy haters right. Racist pigs.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice
Your insane!!!
What meds are you on?
Grow up you soft headed tard!!!
You need a slap in the mouth by Mr. Frazier and Elvis was not disapproving of Joe he was for Ali over the draft issue.
Racist? You need a big cup of shut the FUCK up!!
Whiet mans champion.Gheez you looser. What a waste of internet use..
wthjrtx1 3 months ago
@wthjrtx1 Get excited! Get excited over the truth; me & Ali love it. Quite an intelligent comment you made.But why are you blaming me? I didn't say it. I didn't make it up; Frazier was upset cuz practically the whole world including Elvis was saying it, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, the Americas;not me, not just Black people, the world. It's history, it happened, all you can do is accept it. Joe did & it embittered him that he was not wholly accepted as the champ cuz Ali was People's Champ.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice
You send me a combative comment..Now you want to be sociologist and historian...
BOY....You better pass me by... I'm way to much for you.
Frazier had no choice in his time. He made the decision to box long before the trouble with the 60's. Your just a moron that is trolling you punk headcase..
wthjrtx1 3 months ago
@wthjrtx1 Yep, you prove what Joe is alright. Why wouldn't I send you a combative comment? I do it all the time when people make stupid comments, wholly lacking common sense like, "Joe can say whatever he wants and get my respect." Dude, that's just stupid; something a dunce or a wife would say. Why the hell would I pass you by? You're entertaining like a dumbass comedian, plus you're easy. You're easy cuz you're stupid. And I can tell this isn't the only time you've been called stupid. Genius!
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice
BOY...Go drink you a couple of 40's and call it a night.
You are a waste of time..
Next time you have a thought? Let it go. Let us take care of the REAL work.
You limp noodle..LMAO!!!
wthjrtx1 3 months ago
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@wthjrtx1 Another stupid comment. You're on a roll, cause I control you. Why on earth would you say, "You are a waste of time", then spend your time stupidly commenting to me? Just like your other posts, this ones just stupid too. How often are you called stupid during the course of your day? Leave the real work to you? Why? Cuz anyone dumb enough to say, "Joe can say whatever he wants and get my respect," isn't intelligent enough to do real work. I can see you mowing lawns or something.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
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MrPerryrice 3 months ago
Classy champion, Joe Frazier. if Tyson had what Joe did as a man and person he would have been champ much longer.
crownedful 6 months ago
@crownedful Classy Champion?Hateful,embittered,overshadowed & over rated Joe Frazier? KOed Joe? He couldn't even open his mouth without spewing hate.He won the title by knocking out Ali's sparring partner in a shameful sham of an elimination tournament while the best 2 heavyweights were uninvited (Ali and NABF HW Champ Sonny Liston). He had just 3 successful title defenses before getting slaughtered by Big George; thereafter he went 4-0 against the only 2 Big Boys he had heart enough to face.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice Ali was the one with the hatred--and don't give me that BS it was about hyping a fight that needed no hyping. Ali ruined Frazier's standing in the Black Community. One black man calls another a Tom and a gorilla that will cause a throw-- down something you will never understand. Ali the FAKE mad himself out to be the black mans champ when Frazier was blacker in every way. Ali grew up privileged for a back man in the 60's in KY. Frazier worked and broke his back in a field.
crownedful 3 months ago
@crownedful Broke his back working in a field &that makes him blacker than Ali? That's how you define a Black person?Sharecropping in a field is your definition of being Black?That's where you see Black people's place in society,sharecroppin in a damn field,exploited by 'ole Massa?Why mention that?U just added to Frazier's image as a Tom.U criticize Ali's father for avoiding that by being self employed & buying a home in a middle class BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD for his family? Isn't that black too?
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice Fazier was a great fighter--its no shame losing to Foreman or Ali--you are just a hater yourself. Frazier had more heart than anybody. Ellis was a ranked fighter--Quarry was a ranked fighter--Bonavena was a ranked fighter as was Chuvalo. I have news for you Ali quit on his stool in round 14 in the Thrilla in Manila--if Futch would have known that --history would have been different. Stop trying to diminish Frazier. Try reading and stop discrediting. the only hater is you. POS
crownedful 3 months ago
@crownedful Frazier had 1 great fight in his life,superseded by 4 even bigger losses.He was very good,not great. Ali was no Black man's champion,he was PEOPLE's Champion,&the people of ALL COLORS gave him that title,he didn't give it to himself,even Elvis gave him a robe with that title emblazened across it.It didn't say Black Man's Champion. Ellis,Quarry,Bonevena-all 2nd tier fighters. Joe lost 1-4 to the only 2 Big Boys he ever faced,they're great,Joe's very good. Joe quit,not Ali. Don't hate.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
I love Ali, but he did make "excuses" as well. You can find them in some interviews on here.
cambay411 1 year ago
@cambay411 Young fighters have a tendency to "make excuses" or claim they won when they lost. It's hard for them to accept a defeat when they put so much into training and preparing for a fight, then fight as hard as those guys did. However, in older age Ali freely admits he lost the first fight with Frazier. Frazier however, as bitter as he is, still claims he won all three fights because of the shape Ali is in now. Very bitter man. Time to get over it Frazier.
bandit7498 11 months ago
@bandit7498 Oh yes! I cannot believe you spoke this truth. Keep preaching.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
who cares who won ali or frazier both men are amazing fighters there fights where good and both men are legends old men that they are now BOTH will always be rememberd in history
bigbam13 1 year ago
wtf is joe frazier talking about ali paid off the judges IN THE 2ND FIGHT why does every boxer have an exuse when they lose .. ALI WAS THE ONLY BOXER TO EVER ACCEPT DEFEAT without exuse .. joe frazier after the first fight was in intensive care for 30days he couldnt even urinate MUHAMMAD ALI THE GREATEST BOXER THAT HAS EVER LIVED GOD BLESS YOU
aliongan1 1 year ago
@aliongan1 I am in heaven; a responsible poster. Keep up the good work. God knows we need you.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
This interview guy is gay as fuck.
theuropean 1 year ago
@theuropean Why the hell mention that? Are you interested? Talk boxing you scum.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
Class guy and a great champion. In his prime, especially the first Ali fight, he was absolute lightning.
I think he may have won the 2nd Ali fight, but he really was finished in after the 14th in the Thrilla in Manila, and Foreman demolished him twice.
zenmachinefilms 1 year ago
@zenmachinefilms Won the second Ali fight? You need glasses.
MrPerryrice 5 months ago
Get with it joe you were down 6 times not 11
THOMASBANTON 1 year ago
@THOMASBANTON You clearly don't know a frazier joke when your hearing one. Joe frazier on his best night is capable of beating anyone. Only ever lost to two different men, ali and foreman. And theres no shame in losing to either of them.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano I DONT THINK HE WOULD I DONT THINK ALI OR FOREMAN WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT GOOD AGAINST THE GENERATION OF HEAVYWEIGHTS THAT CAME AFTER THEM COZ THEY WERE BIGGER AND MORE ATHLETIC THAN THE GUYS THEY WERE COMING ACCROSS IN THEIR ERAS AND THEY COULD REALLY MOVE,THEY PROBABLY WOULD BEAT MOST OF THEM BUT I DONT THEY WOULD JUST DESTROY THEM LIKE EVER1 SAYS THEY WILL
THOMASBANTON 1 year ago
@THOMASBANTON Whats that i smell, the stench of a tyson fan, i hope im wrong. Well prime tyson would get ko'd by ali within 10 rounds here is why, prime tyson faced no quality opposition, the biggest name he beat was larry holmes and holmes was 39, prime tyson beat bums and past their best fighters, where as ali faced frazier, norton, shavers, liston, foreman and many more. Ali would definetly beat tyson, so would frazier.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano No pal im an ali fan tyson was so quick and had so much skill with his style of fighting all the guys you mentioned never had what tyson had,and when ali throws them sometimes sloppy right hands and gets too relaxed in there tyson could step to the side of him and bang him harder than hes ever been hit b4,tyson was a different breed compared to those guys,i just think that it would be the test of his life and if tyson caught him early he could knock him out
THOMASBANTON 1 year ago
@THOMASBANTON Tyson does not hit as hard as foreman or shavers and ali took their punches. Ali was a much better fighter than tyson. Ali fought real wars in the ring, tyson never came back in a fight he was losing. Ali has the fastest hands of any heavyweight ever same for footspeed, he also had great stamina, chin, heart, resolve, douglas beat tyson cos he has 83 inch reach. Ali would pump his jab into tyson, tyson cut and swelled easily, so ali would shred tyson up. Ali would also psyche mike
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano I think tyson hit harder and if he didnt he had more speed and technique and was a rapid 2 fisted power puncher,and douglas had more power to stop him in his tracks,you have to admit ali never met any1 like mike frazier very similar yes but not with that power and speed and technique,ali was the pioneer for the new breed of athlete and set the examples and the next generation can only get better and better,like holmes he copied ali but took in the good and left out the bad
THOMASBANTON 1 year ago
@THOMASBANTON You said you were an ali fan and yet here you are pressing how tyson would beat him. Tyson never faced a figher as fast or as great as ali, hell a 38 year old larry holmes fought tyson for the heavyweight title, that shows how poor the quality of opposition was in tyson's era
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano Alright i think the way ali could beat tyson is if he danced for 2-3 rounds maybe more and didnt punch just fainted with his jab to make tyson flinch and move his head side to side as he did and slow him down and make him miss then maybe he would be out of danger to open up and then i think he could do a number on him,but if he went out there and went at him like he did frazier then i think it would be good night sweetheart,tyson was completely different to them lot ali faced
THOMASBANTON 1 year ago
@THOMASBANTON Oh god I agree with that, Im not talking about the ali that faced frazier, in the first frazier fight ali was already 29, and a hell of a lot slower, im talking about a 22 year old ali before he went to prison, lets say the ali that faced cleveland willams
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano Same same mate williams didnt have any head movement or nothing it was a turkey shoot but a godly performance,tyson was lethal and like i said b4 he could knock any1 out early,plus i think its a factor that tysons opponents were alot bigger and heavier and ali at his best would only what 212 pounds and would brake easier then the big boys,if he did it like i said with the fainting and stuff to slow him down and not get hit early then yes he will do him,tyson could counteranything
THOMASBANTON 1 year ago
@THOMASBANTON He took a few huge shavers shots and he didn't break, I would still back ali, he has better handspeed, footspeed, chin, heart, stamina, mental strength, and faced better quality opposition, for those reasons I would back ali.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@THOMASBANTON Judge Tyson by what he did in the ring;slaughtered every second tier fighter to ever cross his path,cept of course the first one who showed no fear of him,Buster Douglass;then Mike went down ingloriously to every top heavy he ever faced in his life.& you say he would give Ali competition, &bang him harder than he's ever been banged before? So what Ali has never been KOed, and only got TKOed by the great Larry Holmes when Ali was sick. Tyson's no different than those Ali whipped.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@XavierMarciano Yes! The stench! I like that. That's exactly what you smell.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@XavierMarciano Yeah, capable of beating everyone except Big George. Dream on.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
Well done Graham. Awesome interview technique.
Joe. I loved ya then and I love ya still. You were, are and always will be a class act.
fanwuren 1 year ago
joe frazier won all three of them fights
jon5339 1 year ago
Two good men, Ali and Frazier. I wish Ali hadn't been as cruel to Joe as was.
swr112261 1 year ago
@swr112261 true and Ali admits it
FijneWIET 1 year ago
say wat yall want, but i believe if ALI would have never been suspended from boxing & striped of his title smoking joe would have never been a heavy weight champ. he would have never got that belt from Ali for real & not by default. But give respect where its due Joe Frazier was a beast...
batlady09 2 years ago
Sorry but the Foreman knockout was Ali's greatest moment because it was a knock out.
ironbob2008 2 years ago
Hardly, Foreman was up at 8. That's not a knockout.
capablemachine 2 years ago
Being up doesn't mean you can fight. It was a knock out. Now quit sucking Joe Frazier's dick. He was a scrub that got lucky one time.
Ironbob2006 2 years ago
Yeh it does mean you can fight. Foreman was tired he wasn't out. If you wanna see someone up who can't fight look at Earnie Shavers and Roy Williams which happened after Zaire. Joe Frazier didn't get lucky one time, in Manilla he wanted to continue blind and the score cards were drawn or had Ali ahead by one and Ali wanted to quit. You should know something about a subject before you spout your projected homosexual fantasies.
capablemachine 2 years ago
fuck you joe fraziers a great man
Nathan2345678 2 years ago
@Ironbob2006 RIGHT! Lost 1-4 to the only two Big Boys he ever faced.Defended his title just 3 or4 times before he was dethroned?Never fought the biggest bangers of his day,NABF Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston in1969(&the tournament ducked him?)Shavers,Lyle,Norton, &the undefeated 22-0 Contender young Larry Holmes?Even Foreman getting a chance was a Yank Durham blunder in their hysterical determination to duck at all costs risking Joe's title again in the highly demanded &dangerous Ali rematch.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@capablemachine Dude, he was counted out at 10. What's the matter with you?
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
if it were not for ali, frazier would hardly have been known. he only defended the title 4 times 1st against bob foster (light heavy) 2nd against ali who'd just had a 3 year lay off and god knows how he won that having spent a month in hospital after the fight. 3rd terry daniels who'd lost 30 fights from 66 and ron standar who'd lost 21 fights from 6. hardly a good record. he is only remembered for his fights with ali. ali defended the title 19 times
jackjay1 2 years ago
He spent some time in and out of hospital because he had other health problems.
capablemachine 2 years ago
@jackjay1 Teach it, teach! Let me add just one thing: He's remembered also for Cosell's "Down goes Frazier, Down goes Frazier; the Heavyweight champion of the world is taking the mandatory eight count!" when big George slaughtered him in one of the most famous knockout sequences EVER. Frazier is only remembered for Ali first and Big George second; beyond that, the man would be lost in obscurity.
MrPerryrice 5 months ago
@jackjay1 Damn;what a great comment.Informative as hell.Joe's the most over rated champion in Heavyweight history,owing to his 1victory against a ring rusty and winded, comming off of a 3 &1half year lay-off Muhammad Ali. Ali should have done what Dundee advised him to do: have a full year of tune up fights then challenge Frazier in 1972.The arrogant Ali did not listen; thought he could have just 2 tune ups against the likes of Quarry and Bonevena then jump in the ring with the Heavyweight champ
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
remember ali was 32 the same age as an over the hill liston was when he beat him and older than a weak paterson
jackjay1 2 years ago
Frazier was a REAL figher. He forced his opponents to fight by constantly pressuring them. Heavyweights today are afraid to stand and fight, since Holyfield there really hasn't been a heavyweight that was willing to engage in that kind of brutal fighting.
painesvillesandman 2 years ago
joe frazier is a fraud, a liar and a phony! he calls foreman a good man while foreman tried to kill em in the ring. he also says he won ali vs frazier 2 while he lost 11 rounds. for me he has no credibility whatsoever. his boxing style of leaning on his opponent which disabled them from extending their arms is a fradulent way to fight also. and i wonder what he had to do to avoid the draft in mid 1967? its not what you know its who u b so the saying goes he waited to fight ali after layoff
jeryd2003 2 years ago
YOU, could not have walked 2 steps in that mans shoes,so shut the fuck up.......
onlyjoetee 2 years ago
Jeryd your a loser and an idiot and i bet you have never even been in a boxing ring. Smokin Joe is one of the toughest and greatest fighters of all time. Your an idiot, and as for draft dodging what about ali, and as for styles lets just say that ali was never a tyson. He ran he leaned on ropes he talked so much shit and roped up anyone that came close to him. Ali was a legend, but no way the greatest of all time, and i would rank tyson and robinson above ali.
smokingunoz 2 years ago
well smoke yall been smoking too much of something hahahaha the 1960's ali and the 1970's ali are two different boxers in other words lets play magic if the 1960's ali fought the 1970's ali the 1960's alil destroys the 1970's ali if one has any sense of fair-play one has got to acknowledge ali superiority in the 1960's where he didn't do any ropeadope had a record of 29-0 with 24 ko's you wont see any ropeing in ali's 1960's fight he was aggresive and offensive, then the military destroyed him!
jeryd2003 2 years ago
@jeryd2003 Right!
MrPerryrice 5 months ago
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Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
syrandon 2 years ago
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Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
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Former heavyweight champion Joe Frazier, 60, was arrested in February 2004 and charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment. According to Philadelphia cops, Smokin' Joe's victim was the 44-year-old mother of one of his sons
MrPalspal 2 years ago
Smokin joe is a legend, because he fought legends, and beat legends. Ali would not have been the legend he is,had it not have been for his amazing fights against frazier. Your only as good as your competition, and all i can say is ali vs frazier trilogy is amazing piece of boxing history, and no matter which side your on, you must give respect to both, or you have no respect for boxing, history or the human spirit.
smokingunoz 2 years ago
i think you are getting a bit carried away mate. ali was a legend b4 he fought frazier.
jackjay1 2 years ago
No mate your not very well educated in boxing history, ali beat an over the hill, sonny liston, a very weak flloyd patterson. Ali's greatest fights and what really cemented him as a legend were his fights with frazier. Foreman was a great victory and the icing on the cake because of the odds, but a shitty fight, the thriller in manilla was an amazing fight not many boxers could withstand that kind of pressure. Thats what made Ali a legend !
smokingunoz 2 years ago
i don't think you are very well educated pal.liston over the hill at 32 fought 16 times after losing to ali. (till his death. he was due to fight george chuvalo, did not retire) a weak paterson at 30 fought another 16 fights after losing to ali, ali retired him 7 years later.and you say the foreman fight was shitty. it was a great fight. a lesson for foreman. frazier did not fair as well did he. styles my friend from another of your comments.
jackjay1 2 years ago
no no fuck off ali beat a prime liston, liston was still the most feared man in boxing so dont give me that shit he played around with patterson he beat henry cooper twice he kncoked out archie moore. ali was already a legend with or without frazier, even though you are right but one thing frazier did make ali more famous but ali would have fucked frazier and foremans shit up if he was in his prime
MultiGreat1 2 years ago
One of ali's famous quotes was that he couldnt have done the things he had done without Joe Frazier. Your and idiot archie 180 years old moore, and sonny liston,he was an overhyped one dimensional bully, who the second someone stood up to him he cowered. And cooper would have beaten Ali except for the cuts. Ali is king of all boxers, but experts will tell you its because of his battles with smokin Joe.
smokingunoz 2 years ago
@smokingunoz Joe is a legend only because of Ali; Ali was a legend before 1971 and without Frazier, because he became legendary as soon as he whipped Liston. His legend was already etched in stone forever due to his work in the 1960s, 1970s Ali just added to the already legend of Ali.
MrPerryrice 5 months ago
@smokingunoz Are you insane?He beat no legend(s) Only 1, ring rusty and winded Ali after a 3 1/2 year layoff &never could do it again.As far as champions go Joe fought just 2 damn legends &got slaughtered 1-4 in a losing ass record against them both(Ali &Foreman).Compare that to the other champions who fought many legends: Ali=Liston,Patterson,Frazier,Foreman,Holmes; Holmes=Ali,Tyson,Holyfield,Spinks; Holy=Tyson,Foreman,Holmes,Lennox;need I go on?Only your last point is valid.Down goes Frazier!!
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
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Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
uncle joe is a glass jawed joker,Oh I watched a documentary that said Uncle joe was a good guy just shut the fuck up you whiny little pussies,Uncle joe got his ass kicked three times by ali and twice by foreman and that is this crackheads legacy
he ducked any big puncher of his era like a coward,was one of the most protected champions of all time
all time great? fuck no the guys an overrated fraud
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
If he was such a pushover why did Ali say he was the hardest fighter that he had faced. You could not have stood up to any of these guys so shut the hell up!
chadgresham 2 years ago
mate you are obviously in no situation whatsoever to pass any judgement on a man like joe frazier, what have you ever done with your miserable life other than to try to tear down other peoples accomplishments. Joe you are a legend and fought in the greatest era boxing has ever seen, well at least the heavyweight division and till this day have the most ferocious left hook of all time. Smokin joe happy to your still smokin.
smokingunoz 2 years ago
@ricflarefucknsucks And his ducking ass only defended his title 4 measly times before getting slaughtered & losing it to Foreman; then he ingloriously lost every damn 1 of his big fights after that: decision/TKO/TKO, retirement at 32 cause he could not beat the 70s crew of big heavies,Ali,Foreman, & stood a good chance of getting his block knocked off by Shavers, Lyle, Norton, &the up and comming 22-0 Contender young Larry Holmes.How in hell did Joe avoid having to fight these fighters? Mystery
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
i am glad joe makes fun of alis condition he deserves it. ali called frazier an uncle tom all the time in a time where there was a lot of racial prejudice. fraziers kids got beat up for the things ali said. also i like how everyone forgets that ali spoke at KKK rally's. thats no bullshit they invited him to speak because he was all about racial solidarity.
killakev128 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
no one forgets anything because it wasn't true,It was a joke story told by Ali who got such a story from the one Jack Johnson once told,The most famous man on the planet speaks at a dying white supremacist organisation's rally's,lol a dumb uneducated cunt like you would believe that
now go suck uncle joe's shriveled old cock because the nigger needs the attention
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
savage and whites go together like a cow and milk. Sick comment
chadgresham 2 years ago
I agree that Frazier's behavior concerning Ali's desease has no class. The things Ali said about his opponents on camera was a part of his strategy of defeating them. He took after Jack Johnson. (the book of David Remnick). Joe shows his narrow way of thinking by such behavior!
Smanovsk 2 years ago
I respect Smokin Joe as a fight fan but it is really low of him to mock Ali's condition. What happened back then happened. Ali and Fraiser were healthy champs and it was nothing more than building hype. Fraiser shouldnt feel so threatened by him - its not behaviour befitting of such a great champ/legend.
I wont feel so bad the next time I see Foreman destroying him.
inktankproductions 2 years ago 4
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Frazier wasn't threatened BY Ali. He was threatened by the influence Ali had over mainstream society and especially the black community. He called Frazier things like an Uncle Tom, the other kind of negro, etc. and so a lot of the black community erroneously either misinterpreted those things as true or inferred that because the agreed with Ali's political views that they had to be against the more apolitical Frazier. Frazier and his family recieved death threats for that.
mapscannotcontainme 4 months ago
@inktankproductions - Ali was my favorite champ since my earliest days, but sadly I can see why Joe felt so low of Ali. Ali said things that were detestable and indicative of his own self hatred. Some things you just don't say and Ali crossed the line too many times. Anything Smokin Joe ever said towards Ali in meanness was earned. A person's continuous degrading comments can cause someone to have permanent contempt. Without Joe, Ali would not have been the legend he is and vice versa.
avoice77 3 months ago
he was a GREAT champion and GOLD medal winner...and a great guy!
saltspringtrading 3 years ago 2
he cant sing to shit! hahahahaha!
mrnjcphat123 3 years ago 3
Aww, he doesn't need to be good to love it
Whyavier 2 years ago
I love Ali like no other fighter and I hqave him as number 1 of all time in his prime 66 67 BUT Joe has no class?! A great of greats! Joe was all heart. U fight a guy that's insulted you for 41 rounds and get back to me. Chances are u never been in a fight in your life. Like Kenny Norton said..Joe took everything to heart. I'd like to c a movie about Joe's life.I'll yell u who has no class. You, hhhpets !!
ssaltspring 3 years ago 4
@ssaltspring I know you wrote that 2 years ago, but id like to point out a fact that you may not know. The rocky movie was technically about joe's life but he didnt get credit for it. Joe ran up those sets of stairs of Philadelphia. That was his training regime. Althought the film wasn't about him. You get the idea.
HellsHighwayTrooper 7 months ago
@ssaltspring The mocking of Ali's illness, just like anyone else's is sick, and classless, and it makes Joe look and sound like an uncivilized inhuman, hateful malicious ogre (not gorilla). Joe is guilty of this classless act, and everyone should acknowledge it, even him most of all.
MrPerryrice 5 months ago
@MrPerryrice - you respond by saying that Smokin Joe sounds like a "uncivilized inhuman, hateful malicious ogre". How civilized is your language? Ali spoke visciously and degradingly against Joe many many times without apology but you have no blame for Ali. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. Ali was my fav champ but he drew the response from Joe on himself. I bet Ali would admit this now that he is wiser and much more mature. He has no hard feelings about Joe, and neither should you.
avoice77 3 months ago
@avoice77 Very civilized,thank you. & for your uninformed information Joe Frazier started it (along with tomming ass Joe Louis, Patterson,Ernie Terrell &a million others) before Ali said a word against Joe in the 1960s when they disrespected Ali by refusing to call him by his legal &religious name, Muhammad Ali; which was a tasteless, tomming ass act considering the times when black people were fighting for their right to self identity.Calling him Clay was indeed TOMMING;wicked,& ignorant.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice - Very funny :-), and very ignorant.
There is nothing more slave minded than when Ali spoke negatively of Joe Frazier's dark complexion. Ali made fun of Joe's strongly african features (flat nose and dark skin), and called him a "gorilla". Ali was showing PURE SLAVE mindedness by doing this. So who was the uncle tom?
Joe's response to all this was not appropriate, but for his mindset I expect that of him. Ali should have apologized for these things. All things get judged.
avoice77 3 months ago
@avoice77 Everything Frazier did is far more Tomming than anything Ali did; and try as you might, Ali will never be known as a Tom, nor be injured by such a ridiculous notion, Joe is. And Ali was the one responding, not Joe. Aside from that, you attribute blame to both, which I am in accord with you on. Both were I believe acting inappropriately just as you say, but Ali's at least was only retaliatory, & he helped no white folks who were attacking Frazier,Joe joined the Whites attacking Ali.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@avoice77 A LESSON:Ali was not making fun of Frazier's African features;he was mocking Joe as boxings stereotypical pug fighter,who,regardless of their race were seen when Ali came up,as big,battered,ugly,smashed nosed,cauliflowered eared,stumbling,dumb apes mumbling duh,duh,duh at interviews, &these fighters were mostly whites. Ali pushed in his nose ridiculing this stereotype long before Joe came along, nobody said nothing. He caricatured Joe as Joe the pug fighter, & not as Joe the black man.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago 3
@MrPerryrice - it's common knowledge that Ali made fun of Joes African features. And Ali berated other black fighters calling them apes etc, but he was vicious and excessive towards Frazier who was more sensitive. Ali's sad behavior caused Frazier to detest him for the rest of his life. Today in hindsight, many in boxing media (and champion fighters) view Ali's words against Joe with great regret because he broke Joe down but never came back and lifted him up. He deserved an open apology.
avoice77 3 months ago
@avoice77 Dude,Africans do not look like apes! Neither does Joe.But Joe was a club fighter,&club fighters are carciatured as hairy knuckled,pug nosed,dumb,mumbling apes named 'Rock',like in the cartoons,movies,literature; Now that's common knowledge. Club fighters,not Africans.That's all Ali's talking about when he calls Joe gorilla; but if you think of Joe's dark skin & African features when Ali says gorilla, it's only showing that you are the ones thinking Joe looks like a gorilla, not Ali.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago 2
@avoice77 GIVE ME A LESSON: Please tell me (and everybody) where I can find Ali saying anything derogatory about Frazier's complexion, his dark skin, or his African features. Tell us where Ali said it. I have followed Ali's career, and had he said such an ignorant thing I would have run across it by now. If I am wrong please tell where I can find the proof, and I'll acknowledge where I am wrong....and if you cannot find Ali saying it, you do the same.
They both should have apologized.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@avoice77 Well,you scholar! Where is it? Where's this stuff Ali said about Frazier's complexion? Or African features? U have run away because U are a lying, slanderous coward. An ignorant, hateful baffoon! U are indeed dirt, Uhave not evolved to manhood or character enough to continue the stupid lie you started. Lay down and accept your miserable life you scum bag from the worse hell imaginable. You moron. Don't open your filthy mouth again unless Uknow what you are talking about. Im waiting!
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice - Don't even attempt to discuss the depths of racism and the slave mentality with me. I teach on these things. Ali specifically spoke against Frazier's african features nose and dark complexion. White journalists have testified to this. Ali was being negative about Joe's specific features and people in the media have confirmed this and Ali's words and gestures are recorded. Pretty boy Ali was SLAVE minded, case closed. Blk people suffer massively from slave syndrome. Are u white?
avoice77 3 months ago
@avoice77 Well,if you teach on these things,give me the lesson I asked for.Teach me where I can find Ali specifically saying he's talking against Frazier's dark skin or African features.I've never seen him doing it anywhere.So name these 'White Journalists';who are they,where can I find their articles?Who did they testify to? Where at?When? Every one of Ali's recordings I've seen has him mocking Joe for being a Tom,or for being a dumb,battered,smashed nosed club fighter. Never for being Black.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago 2
@avoice77 And let me add that that if you are a teacher of any subject, especially of racism and the slave mentality of black folks, then your students are bound to be as ignorant, thick headed, and as dishonest as you are. Reading your posts, no one would mistake you for a teacher. But if you said you were a racist teaching at a KKK school I could believe you. Or a victim of racism, I could believe that too, Or that you suffer from slave mentality, I could believe that. But a teacher? Ha ha .
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@avoice77 And I will attempt you stipid, ignorant inferior scum! And you better not ever raise your ignorant voice again where I can see it! Spewing your filthy hatred that can not even be backed by the facts. Upon my soul, dare raise up and I'll crush your evil and ignorance with good and knowledge again, just like I did in this conversation. You stupid, ignorant piece of slime! Ha ha ha! I have crushed you with good, truth and righteousness! You are dirt and are hurt, aren't you? Silence? Ha!
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
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What a deluded dick. Just look at him talk about Ali without giving him any due. No class whatsoever.
hhhpets 3 years ago
Did Ali ever give Joe his due? Joe gave Ali money when Ali was broke and then Ali called him everything in the book. To Joe, that is WRONG. So yes, Joe took it personal and Ali went against everything Joe was brought up on. Joe hated that Ali called himself God, that he would try to humiliate him by calling him the white peoples fighter. Calling him a gorilla and saying that negros don't look like that. Ali had no class, Archie Moore hated him, Floyd Patterson hated him because of his arrogance.
blite13 3 years ago
When I say that Joe has no class, I mean that it's unacceptable to make fun of someone because they have a disease such as parkinson's syndrome. Ali made fun of Joe but you can tell he wasn't serious. Joe making fun of Ali's condition is not clowning around. Would you make fun of someone who has cancer for example? That's what I mean by NO CLASS WHATSOEVER
hhhpets 3 years ago 9
Joe makes fun of Ali now because it's called payback for all the hurt Ali brought to him. Joe hugs Ali and calls him a man of God, his idea of Ali's condition today is brought on by the punishment he gave Ali. No one ever punished Ali the way Joe did and he takes pride in that. Just like Ali took pride in degrading and messing with the manhood of another man. Ali was heard many times in the ring saying" don't you know who I am", ' you are fighting God tonight". Ali wasn't just playing around.
blite13 3 years ago
Ali was heard many times in the ring saying he was God?!! By who apart from Joe? Where's your proof?
And Joe did give Ali a good beating (which is the reason we are talking about him to this day) but that gives him no right to make fun of his condition. That's just low Joe.
hhhpets 3 years ago
@hhhpets Look at Joe's ass now. I know it's wrong but it had to be said.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
Archie Moore hated Ali because beat the crap out of him. LOL!!! nah Archie Moore was Ali's mentor but he dislike Ali becos dude will never shut up, he was always talking, Ali himself said he had butterflies when he fought Moore, he wanted to end it quick...but you are right Patterson hated him big time....
nkemoji 2 years ago
A person of God is not arrogant, does not call himself God, does not degrade others. Ali did all of this and the world thinks he was so wonderful. Just shows how wrong most humans are. Ali showed how we should not be and his condition today is payback for all those misdeads he did to others. Joe had more class in one finger than Ali had in his whole body.Joe still harbors bad feelings for Ali because he knows Ali really wanted to hurt Joe inside.That never leaves a MAN but Joe see's the justice.
blite13 3 years ago
Ali would NEVER call himself God. That's another one of Joe's lies. No one heard that comment apart from Joe. Isn't that strange?
Ali was clowning around. He didn't seriously believe any of the stuff he said. I know he comes across as arrogant, but if you listen to him in interviews, you realize that he is highly respectful of other boxers including Joe.
Joe really needs to grow up.
hhhpets 3 years ago
you do know that all those things that Ali said was to sell fights, he had a very good relationship with Joe but at that time with the depression and the state of the economy and the racial struggle, the camps both knew why Ali was doing,now don't get me wrong, Ali did go overboard with his comments and he has since apologized to Joe and his family, but that was part of showbiz at that time....
nkemoji 2 years ago
@blite13 Eat dirt U ignorant slime. U do not even know what U are talking about. Joe &the other tomming scum started it FIRST against Ali way back in the 1960s when they disrespected Alis morals, principles & religious rights by making mockery of his religious &legal name MUHAMMAD ALI by calling him, for God knows what stupid ignorant reason,Cassius Clay against his will; a violation of Ali's religious and legal rights. A classless act that Ali retaliated for,&rightly so.JOE's the 1 DEAD stupid.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
@MrPerryrice Look, ya little boy, Ali never called Joe the Champ, when Joe had beaten all comers in title elimination. Ali always said in interviews that Joe couldn't talk like him, that's when Ali would push his nose in and mumble incoherant babble, imitating Joe. This was when Ali wasn't fighting, during his suspension. Joe went out of his way to help Ali out when Ali was broke, lobbied for Ali to get his fighting license back, lobbied for the Gov to let Ali fight. Ali turned on him, u = sick.
blite13 3 months ago
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@blite13 .Why the hell should Ali call Joe the Champ when Ali is? &No, Joe didn't beat all comers; he won the title by knocking out Ali's sparring partner in a shameful sham of an elimination tournament while the best 2 heavyweights were uninvited (Ali and NABF HW Champ Sonny Liston). He had just 3 successful title defenses before getting slaughtered by Big George; thereafter he went 4-0 against the only 2 Big Boys he had heart enough to face Ali and Foreman. He's 1-4 in his 5 biggest fights.
MrPerryrice 3 months ago
champ , legend , god bless you
deeerstedebeste 3 years ago 8