2008 TFP Student Conference Mass

[drstephanpuls]

Marc Lefebre insulted, amongst other lies, to be a a incompetent doctor and a “debile”. He blocked his account from receiving mails, which is typical for this type of persons: big mouth but in reality cowards. If he would have some courage and honnor, he would face personnaly his responsability, but -no wonder of a former white-collar-officer who has never did anything to show true military spirit and courage, beside sitting in an office and boasting- he is hiding up frightening.

[drstephanpuls]

TFP’s Marc Lefebvre and Ernst Schäfer have heavely insulted me because I decidec to break silence and speak about bat sectarian TFP organisation, referring to some of there most perverted members, the self-proclaimed “Duke of Oldenburg” and the German chief ideologist Gersdorff.

I will not repeat the insult of M Schäfer here, for they are much too primitive.

Our Lady of Fatima, destroy the TFP and send their members to psychiatric hospital or prison!

[SerbianMosins]

@drstephanpuls  You should be ashamed of yourself. Do penance for your calumnies.

Duke Paul Von Oldenburg is in every way, legitimate.

[Hirst12345]

With that said...I hope that the current members of the TFP are faithful to their Catholic Faith and are living the comandments truly because when I was a member in Brazil I witnessed the older members living very scandalous lives. Money, women, and excessive lifestyles were at the core of their beings. It was disgusting...and I wish them nothing but God's wrath for scandalizing so many.

[pacislander4life]

Mr. Hirst12345,

I do not know much about what happened in Brazil. But by the same token with which you wish the conversion of the "older members", I hope you hold the same standard for yourself. For example, why is it, sir, that you see in them a problem with women and other excesses, when you sir have 5/7 videos favorited of teenage girls in their underwear?

[Hirst12345]

I never said I was "a faithful" Catholic or one of moral Standand, did I?? My life is quite the contrary. I live a very 'immoral life' according to Christian standards, I don't attend mass, and I have no intention of preaching. But truth is truth...and unlike the some members of the TFP I'm not masking my immoral existence behind the standard of purity. The TFP and the Heralds of the Gospel played a huge roll in messing me up really bad...and for that I will always be truly ungrateful.

[pacislander4life]

Then you have the nerve to have 2 of those favorited videos to be of Dr. Plinio Correa de Olveira??? As Scripture says, remove first the beam in your own eye before you have your brother remove the speck in his eye.

[Hirst12345]

I also can't stand the way Dr. Plinio is Hidden amongst the Heralds of the Gospel. Yes, Mons. Joao Cla is the founder of 'The Heralds'...but not of the movement....nor of the spirt. If you look at how the Heralds were founded, there is a huge gap in it's history....and the huge gap is Dr. Plinio. Without him there would be no Mons. Joao or any of the Heralds of the Gospel. I know that internally, especially amongst the older members, they still praise Dr. Plinio...but it's not the same.

[Hirst12345]

I am a former member of TFP. The TFP group I was involved in turned into 'Heralds of the Gospel'. A lot of their opinions changed to a new way of thinking which really messed me up bad. For ex: When I was TFP, these same people (who were TFP turned Heralds) told me to avoid the "Novus Ordo" Mass...particularly on Sundays...questioning it's sanctity and validity. Now these same individuals celebrate the Novus Ordo in their seats of community and churches. This is but one example.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

More Altar Boys!

[MckyJcksn]

Plus, what's with the red sashes? Seems like a bunch of people who are nostalgic for the Middle Ages playing dress-up.

The Mass is beautiful, though. I wish every Mass, Novus Ordo and Tridentine alike, were celebrated in this manner.

[pacislander4life]

someone sounds bitter...

[MckyJcksn]

Sorry you feel that way, but I do find TFP annoying this way. It seems like it could be (and is) an occasion of pride for many of their members.

[pacislander4life]

i suppose we can leave that between them and God... have you had experience with the TFP? Personal experience?

[epical7]

Man those guys probably talk bad about you because you wear short leave shirts.

They are more prideful than the Pharisees.

They are more radical than the Church, more orthodox than the Pope and more holy than Holy Water. They are the TFP that did went bad after their founder died.

Ask them what the Revolution is and they will tell you the Pope is a puppet in it.

They are just a bunch of ultratrads sedevacantist pharisees.

[pacislander4life]

its strange how ironic this message is. He alleges the unjustified criticism the TFP might have against short sleeves, and yet, he calls the TFP Pharisees, and sedevacantists. All one has to do is read their last manifesto "Battle for America's Soul" on their website to show that epical7 doesnt know what he is talking about. TFP refers to "POPE John Paul II" and "POPE Benedict XVI"... Take your rant elsewhere, buddy.

[epical7]

C'mon!!!

Don't tell me that websites are are the Beacons of Truth now.

I can say I am a HUGE FAN of Pope Paul VI on a website and that I think mass dressed in pjs is good and would you believe it that strongely?

Sure why not? Because that is as far as I can get to him.

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The TFP is more than what meets the eye. They say "La plus aventure du mond c'est la nôtre"

but now it is more like "La plus aventure du mond était la nôtre".They messed up along the way and they don't plan on cha...

[pacislander4life]

I don't recall saying that "websites are beacons of truth", although you might agree that the Vatican website may be a good candidate. You might disagree. What I did say was that you stated something which was in error, and you need to be called on the carpet for it. The TFP is not a sedevacantist group as evidenced by the testimony on their published works.

[pacislander4life]

I know sedevacantists and I have read their work, and they wouldnt have any problems admitting to anyone that they dont believe JPII and BXVI are popes... Thus, you were wrong, and that's all there is to it. Whether they are Pharisees or Pharisee-like is for God to decide and certainly not you. AMDG.

[gunlover94]

I would rather you get your facts straight before you say these lies. I would like you to support one of thoes statements with concrete evidence. I have contact with TFP members I am NOT a TFP member, saying they think the Pope is puppet in it is a total lie, just talk to one of the members. None of your statements have any backbone, rhym or mean.

[gunlover94]

Well you connot deny the fact that the middle ages were the hight if Christendom (by the way they are capes). They use it to distinguis themselves. Now if you want to attack the use of habits that has been used by religouse orders lay and alike for centuries then we would need to go more in depth.

[Knight746]

Heh the thing is that habit belongs to a real religious order now.

Canonically and civily.

They are against both. Ask some of your friends that were arrested a while ago in South America...

[MckyJcksn]

TFP is not sedevacantist. What galls me is their idolatry of blood. A poster on another forum said it perfectly: "They would have more respect for a Catholic who was descended from the Hapsburgs, attended Mass weekly, and treated his neighbors like dirt than a Catholic plumber who made his money on his own."

[Knight746]

Yeah but these people are sedevacantists.

To be a Catholic who likes the liturgy like God deserves does not mean you have to be pharisiacal sedevacantist.

[juggles20007]

no they aren't. Where did you get that idea?

[Knight746]

They've got a long history. Since the Prof. Plinio died, a lot of things changed. The American, Brazlian, French and Italian TFP's had internal revolutions and an illegal oligarchy took control. Those that took control are sedevacantistas, deny the authenticity of the VII. Some of close friends are feeling bad now because they aren't even accepting the Motu Propio masses saying they are invalid because most of the priests also celebrate the NO. The Brazilian TFP was recovered in a legal battle.

[juggles20007]

The TFP aren't sedevacantists go on their website if you don't believe me.

[Knight746]

Listen. You only know them as they present themselves. Its like a person knows a neighbor. But what really happens inside.

Well lets say some know them more than just as neighbors.

[juggles20007]

but there is a video of them celebrating mass in a church with a new altar. They would refuse to go to a church where the New mass was celebrated.

[Knight746]

That is not the TFP. Those are the ones that stayed faithful to the Church and are now a religious order of the Church.

The TFP has used this habit illegally in many occasions. But they are no way shape or form an institute of the Catholic Church.

[gunlover94]

NO NO this is the original TFP. When Pro. Plinio died Jaun Clau who tried to say he was the real TFP and started his own thing. There was a big legal battle in South America as to who was the real TFP Jaun Clau won split of and became a religous order. The people you see in the video are thoes who stayed faithful to Pro. Plio's ways.

[Knight746]

Uh no. The American TFP officially split from the Brazillian TFP in all ties.

Then the Brazillian TFP had an oligarchy take over.

Then there was a legal battle fought out to reinstitute the democratical elections of the officers. The oligarchy lost and the Brazialian TFP is now like Plinio Correa de Oliveira intended to. And the American TFP has condemnations of bishops in the US that are still valid and they ignore and still function robbing money from people who don't know them for real.

[gunlover94]

Im a little confused what your saying. There are two TFPs in brazil one is called the TFP the other is called the Marian Congrgation. The one called the TFP was started by Jaun Clau. The ones called the Marian Congrgation (they cant use the title TFP because "Heralds of the Gospel" stole the rites to the title) are the ones that did not become a religous order, and were founded by Pro. Plinio. Now the "TFP" is called the "Heralds of the Gospel" and were founded by Jaun Clau.

[Knight746]

The TFP started with some of the Marian Congregations. Later when Prof. Plinio died, the older guys took over illegally without a vote as Prof. Plinio repeatedly stated he wanted. They sent the majority of the members out in poverty, including underage minors. João Cla was elected the president but the small amount of older ones said no. So he and the majority left, in poverty and hunger.

God helped them and later recieved aproval from the Pope. In a legal battle the TFP became democratic again

[gunlover94]

Also the American TFP the ones you see in the video are not condemed by bishops, they are dispised by some bishops but nothing official.

[Knight746]

The in Brazil is now in the power of the elected officials and not the rebels who loved money and power. The American and French TFPs kept on with sedevac. doctrines and are not in good terms with the Church.

In fact there are official condemnations by bishops, the most recent in Miami.

And in France the government is going against them for fraud. And the story they are telling you about them getting arrested wrongly is a lie. They did commit a crime and EVERYONE is against them.

[Knight746]

Plus, did you know they hated the habit, because it was created by Fr. João Cla?

Then to cause problems they said that they created it.

How can the American TFP be the original if it was founded in Brazil?

The founders of the TFP in the USA are with Fr. João Cla.

They hate him so much that they were thinking of trying to get him arrested and then left to the mercy of immoral inmates.

These people are the pharisees that not see what they were called to be.

[dmak500]

To Knight746: everything you say is not true. I spoke with TFP members. Those "older guys" were in charge of TFP in Brazil with Prof. Plinio C. Oliveira for years. The Prof. left them in charge when he died, they did not "take over" the Brazilian TFP. The American TFP is NOT condemned by Bishops according to the EWTN Q&A.

Fr. J Cla did NOT invent the habit, Prof Plinio Correa did. It is strange the "Heralds" do not speak of the Prof.

Either you are grossly misinformed or a pathological liar.

[ChristainPatriot01]

Was Jaun Clau the founder of Hearlds of the Gosple?

[CarminaSalcido]

I agree 100% Kudos to you!

[alwyn84]

Where is this? I could feel the sacredness of the mass and how people honor the liturgy..

[timothyprescott]

True. Sloppy liturgies must go! The Tridentine Mass, will never die! Keep women out of the sanctuary! Praise be Jesus Christ, now and forever.