FIRST TIME 2 NO THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH MR/ PERFECT 2 U AND 2 PPL OF UR KIND MEANS BEING RUDE ARROGANT AND RACIST 2 NO THE TRUTH GO 2 REKKITTEN DO NOT LISTEN 2 THAT RACIST OR U WILL NOT BE LESS RACIST URSELF PEACE I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE ISLAM
i do despise geert wilders, he's just a bigot hate monger, but he has every right to freedom of expression. i'd certainly defend his right to free speech no matter what.
May God guide your confused soul which inside I am sure you are not happy of your lonely life. Think where you will be after you die. Where will you be standing?
@juicymango14 What is this rhetoric? Blame iit on the Jews like if "It's their mission to dominate the world. Do you have any proof? I did find proof that Islam was trying to dominate the world. It almost sounds like "the devil made me do it. bs
First is that a high court in Amsterdam ordered Public Prosecution to prosecute Geert Wilders. That was not an initiative of the Dutch government because our law system is completely independent.
Secondly you can't judge on what is legal in the Netherlands or not. We have a right in our constitution that says we cannot be discriminated. I just think that our law system will decide whether if he is guilty or not. Not outsiders like you writing letter to our former minister.
Eindelijk!! De Nederlanders zijn wakker geschoten. Nu de rest van Europa nog..Voor belgië is het te laat. Ondanks het feit dat Vlaanderen iedere verkiezing, rechts stemde is de linkse loge er nog aan de macht. Van democratie is daar al lang geen sprake meer. De media zijn er tegen de vrije mening zoals in de tijd van hun grote voorbeeld Stalin..
That's it guys, keep attacking Islam while Zionism is the real threat to the White Race. You all need to go on Dr David Duke's channel and educate yourself. Most of the guys behind this anti-Islamic hate sites are Zionists. Don't be used. Throw them down the well.
@whitemisa So it was Muslims who crucified Jesus? Is it Muslims running the banks? Are Muslims running the media who tell you these lies about '72 virgins' and such nonsense? So keep fixing your hate on harmless muslims while the real enemy laughs at your stupidity.
@guydecervens I do not hate Muslims, I feel for them.the are innocent sweet people in my eyes..Muslims are not running the banks because the are slaves to Islam, most of them are not free enough and not confident enough to live there lives in abundance and financial harmony.the people who focus on money and prosperity the most, are the once who will have it the most .everybody can be rich...all you have to do is to follow the laws of the Universe. (law Of Attraction).
"who tell you these lies about '72 virgins' and such nonsense"
Right, the Sunan Al-Tirmidhi Ahadith were fabricated by Zionists. And Ibn Kathir, the author of the highly honoured Tasfir was surely a Zionist, too.
:-)))
Go to an Islamic country and say in public the 5th strongest hadiths in the Sunna was doctored by Zionists...I am afraid your future wouldn't look very bright, if you did so. Therefore: don't do it!
what ppl dont understand is that u cant have Islam without sharia, they are one and the same thing and its impossible to seperate the two. If you think there exists such a thing as moderate islam then you are wrong because it only means that they are not real followers of islam.
Forced conversions have been very common throughout all Islamic history, . Noted cases include the conversion of Samaritans to Islam at the hands of the rebel Ibn Firāsa, conversions in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and Andalusia, as well as in Persia under the Safavid dynasty where Sunnis were converted to Shi'ism and Jews were converted to Islam. A form of forced conversion became institutionalized during the Ottoman Empire in the practice of devşirme
The biggest irony is, that the only hate and discrimination in this whole case is within islam itself, and if quoting hateful passages from islamic texts constitutes as hate speech I'll move the fuck out from europe, as it's not what people have fought for. This whole tihng is disgusting, and I hope the people suing Geert and pusuing him will be sued out their ass(ets).
@HereComesTeamB2 same goes for christianity, the only problem is that the christians think they are better while they did the same stuff the muslims do now (and thats only a few most are normal nice people)
That's right....... when we open our mouths, it's only a sound that comes out. Not everyone on this planet chooses to have a belief system to help them sleep @ night.. Why do they, the people who need one, feel obliged to make others support their narrow mindedness? Religion binds the mind. If there is a god, he must be so disappointed in his creations and their inability to apply their own intelligence in this fleeting life... Who wants to be angry all the time over hypertheticals?!
i dont buy your "hopefully having their extreme views emeliarated" line. these guys are not up for having their views emeliarated. no they are on a world domination crusade. so if you dont want public stoning to death then you must support geert wilders to the hilt.
EUamerican's channel: "American that supports and defends Europe's independence, freedom and Europe's place in the world. GOD bless and protect the European Union!"
That is NOT what you are doing. On the contrary you are supporting the destruction of Europe's freedom and independence, only to dumb to realize that.
Death to islamophile Stalinist-EU ... to hell with fascist islam, and to hell with all you neo-communist traitor idiots Long live European culture.
This neo-fascist is being supported by American neocons and radical Islamophobes like Geller. Geert Wilders as PM of the Netherlands would mean the end of Dutch democracy and its constitution, and Wilders could be a dictator, the Netherlands a rouge nation.
The Dutch people should consider anybody giving aid and comfort to Wilders and his neo-fascist PVV party a hostile act against their nation and its freedom.
Geerte is a hero,,, free speech should never be censored. I am far from religious. The truth should never be muted via censorship or Political Correctness.
Git Wilders is not such a 'freedom-loving' person if he believes the Quran should be banned. This git has lived in Israel too long, which is why he is radicalised.
Just because Mein Kampf is already banned it doesn't mean the Quran should be banned too. Adolf Hitler, the Christian mass murderer, was responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews. The Quran & Islam had absolutely nothing to do with this.
Why ban the Quran when only a tiny minority of misguided muslims (around 0.00006% of 1.6 billion muslims) commit acts of terrorism? The problem is terrorists using the Quran as a cover for their own motivations (personal, political, etc.).
Mohammed, the muslim mass murderer, was also responsible for a lot of deaths (particularly jews).
i'd like to see where you pulled this 0.00006% out of, your ass?
and they can use the quaran as a cover because the stuff they do is actually in the quaran, and the quaran is not only a religious book, it is a politcal ideology too.
"Jihad (; جهاد ), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle." In another context, Jihad means holy war" --wikipedia.
You are not ignorant, you are a LIAR. but it's okay to lie to infidels under taqqiya isn't it?
Taqqiya - "Refers to permissible lying in Islam. Taqiyya is generally allowable if it is done for the purpose of masking a Muslim's identity as such, or in waging conflict with an enemy. The aim is to mislead the enemy about the true nature, goals, or strength of Islam."
Also, the verse you quoted has no relevance. and if it had done i suspect it was taken from the begging of the koran to the middle, and not the end (where it gets more violent). you may ask why this is
You're the one who's lying as Taqiyya actually means to conceal one's faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. The actual number of instances of Taqiyya has been rare within FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS. Why did the Prophet Muhammad not practice it himself if you claim it is permissible in Islam?
Taqiyya is associated with and might still be practiced by a minority (Twelvers & Ismaili's) within a minority (Shia, 15%) of muslims. So it's not widespread & rare.
Taqiyya allows muslims to lie if it benefits islam. also, that is a blatant lie. you can't know how many times it has been used in FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS. so shut up.
Proofs from Quran that lying is prohibited in Islam:
1) "It is only those who believe not in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars" (16:105).
2) "O you who believe! Be afraid of Allâh, and be with those who are true (in words and deeds)." (9:119)
3) "And mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth while you know (the truth)" (2:42)
5) "And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh." (11:18)
6) "Then whoever disputes with you concerning him [Jesus] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. Jesus] being a slave of Allâh, & having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad SAW) "Come, let us call our sons & your sons, our women & your women, ourselves & yourselves - then we pray & invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie." (3:61)
Proof from Sunnah that lying is prohibited in Islam:
1) "Four traits, whoever possesses them is a hypocrite and whoever possesses some of them has an element of hypocrisy until he leaves it: the one who when he speaks he lies, when he promises he breaks his promise, when he disputes he transgresses and when he makes an agreement he violates it."
2) “Maintain truthfulness, for truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Heaven. A man continues to maintain truthfulness until he is recorded in Allah’s book as truthful. Refrain from lying, because lying leads to blatant evil, and evil leads to the fire. A man continues to lie until he is recorded in Allah’s book as a liar”
Taqiyya contradicts and supersedes these prohibitions. At first Islam was a "peaceful" religion, and mohammed tried to spread his religion peacefully. But it was n't growing fast enough. So he made it more violent (and the koran gets progressively more violent and un-peaceful throughout the book). He also wrote in the koran that when two verses contradict each other the latter supersedes.
Well i have no problem with you choosing to interpret the koran and hadith this way, but lots of muslims aren't going to see it the way you do. especially the extremeists.
The problem is with extremists, Jihadists or Kharijites who are influenced & inspired by misguided ideological individuals like Sayyid Qutb, Hassan al-Bana & Maududi who themselves were influenced by the teachings of Marx & Lenin (secular atheist jews).
They call for violent revolutions & toppling muslim & non-muslim governments to establish an islamic state.
Terrorism & suicide bombing is legitimate in their eyes to establish this goal, it's a means to an end.
important. this is important because in in the koran mohammed deals with contradictions (unlike the bible and torah) by saying when 2 subjects contradict the latter is true. this is all irrelevant as the verse you quoted doesn't mean shit/ but you'll understand i trully am not ignorant of islam, and have indeed done my research. you lie.
@waragainstzionism He is not in favor of the Qu'ran being banned you git. He simply pointed out the hypocrisy of the Dutch government banning Mein Kampf as being hate mongering and anti semetic. It makes no sense that they would ban that and not the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran is free to promote hate because it is a religion? BTW it is NOT a religion, It is a fascist totalitarian ideology. Very much like the Nazi party but far far worse.
Learn to write English before you post, i.e. "rule Europe", it would make you look very slightly less than an idiot, although only very slightly less!
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."
Accusing and prosecuting Wilders for "inciting hatred" will incite more hatred than he ever could, even if he ever wanted to. Either or, Europe is awakening, and lawmakers - and exploiters - should show some responsibility, to at least attempt to avoid, or not to contribute to a civil war in Europe. If we act now, it can be done. If we silence freedom of speech, there is already no other way than civil war.
So right! Geert Wilders is a hero and there should be many more of people like him. But to bad half of the people of holland ( I'm from holland ) call PVV people ( his party ) nazis. I'm also Wilders supporter, they call me nazi against muslims :S While its the opposite.. It's the moslims that are nazis,
@RDHartist More and more people are realising and wakeing up to the muslim nazis, stay strong well said peace. Islam is an evil cult as far as im concerned, thank god for peoplel like us and geert.
@onabreeze I hope you're right :( Holland is not fun anymore.. 9th of june the voting will be, and I hope Geert will win.. but I guess not.. All the other politician parties are against him,so they will probably not want him to work with them.. I hope other countries will soon wake up to and help us and there selves... I'm voting Wilders the 9th :)
Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, volume 2, pages 116, 117 on verse 2:191, [8], states:
As Jihad involves death and the killing of men, Allah draws our attention to the fact that the disbelief and polytheism of the disbelievers, and their avoidance of Allahs path are far worse than killing. Thus Allah says, And Fitnah is worse than killing. This is to say that shirk (Polytheism) is more serious and worse than killing.
@halcyon0830 Nonsense! Geert Wilders is a strong leader and we need more leaders like that! I am sick of political correctness! Go Wilders! Islam is not going to dominate Europe!
No more Muslim liesGod bless Geert.You are now the leader of whole humanity!We trust you we lowe you!
No More lies,no more legs and arms amputation,no more woman stoning,no more cuting of tongues,no more inforced child marriages,no more slaughtering of milions of inocents,no more child rape,molestation,no more mutilations,no more streets decorations with hanged woman no more Islam no more muslims!
Wiw this seems to be a vid with a bunch of ppl suffering from paranoia !!
Geert Wilders = nothing else than a populist spreading hatred towards Muslims , he even refuses to debate with moderate Muslims , ha ha..Love it how the defenders of freedom of speech always defend it when it's about hatred ! LOL.
this looks like some kinda brainwashing vid ! LOL
dont worry marie. i don't think the british people will ever be that stupid.
we all learnt from hitler? and his pals so Nick the DICK and his pals are just farting against a cyclone.
bullshitting on youtube is a vastly different thing to gaining elected office. and their supporters generally show what NUMPTIES the BNP are. of course when we give them a
little bit of a prod it helps to bring out their nuttiness. :D
His wife is not Jewish, shes a Hungarian Diplomat, do your research you stupid cunt. Stop being so anti jewish. We get it you don't like jew's, then go back home and have some tea with your flat mates, Adolf and Joseph.
@FlyingDutchman65 , the Netherland is not your country, you will never be European. You should move to Saudi Arabia where you can beat up your wives, and marry a 9 year old child.
what are u talking about? carpetbagger? can u explain how this term applies to him?
1) he is a native dutchman as i understand.
2) all he doing and advocating for is preservation of the tradition of liberty modern hollans is famous for? in other words he is doing the opposite of what u are implying.
3) fighting encroachment of islam on dutch society is part of that.
4) sounds like your real argument with him is an anti-Semitic one and that is where it ends.
Freedom to abuse? Would you say to bullies at school it's good to have the freedom to abuse other kids either verbally, emotionally or physically? My point is Freedom gives you power but with power comes responsibility. We should all unite and punish those who don't act responsibly- causing civil unrest or evoking global tensions should not be justified by the freedom of speech. There are better ways of addressing every issue
You fucking idiot you have the right to think anything that you want. You have the right to be offended by what I say, but I still have the right to state my opinions. It is called freedom of speech; asshole. Deal with it. You however do not have the right to silence me just because I offend you, so if it is offensive to you that your Mohamad was a camel piss drinking idiot too bad. If you like Shariha Law and hate US and European Law the you have the right to get the fuck out.
@FullFledged2010 What? Have you been listening to anything? Racism? are you crazy? Someone trying to stop you "thinking what you want"??? Your lack of rationality is scary.
@mossfitz This geert wilders wants to ban the Koran so that means i cant legally liv in the nederlands anymore if he gets his way. I was born here and raised 100% dutch and became a muslim when i was about 19 yo, i never committed a crime in my life and i definitely don't force my religion upon other people.
I am not even welcome in islamic country's so where can i go?
What is your rational answer as to why i should stop being a muslim would help the world?
1. This petition is about the case against Wilder´s Film Fitna - not his opinion about banning the Koran.
2. The Koran, however calls for killing people like Wilders and i - not merely "banning" us
3. If you are not forcing Islam upon other people, you are not a particularly good example of someone following Muhammad´s final word - or should i say, the final words of god himself
4. The rational answer is: the world needs every bit of sanity it can muster to deal with the future
@mossfitz you have absolutly no knowledge about islam nor rational thought if you thing someone could be forced into becoming a muslim.
The very most important thing a muslim has to do is believe in allah and his messengers/prophets. how in the world could someone being forced into doing that?
2 if you can prove that islam tells me to kill people i would stop being a muslim eminently.
i have read the koran many times and there is noting inhere that tells me to kill anyone!
@FullFledged2010 9:5.2:19 14:91 Forced conversions have been very common throughout all Islamic history, Cases include the conversion of Samaritans to Islam at the hands of the rebel Ibn Firāsa, conversions in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and Andalusia, as well as in Persia under the Safavid dynasty where Sunnis were converted to Shi'ism and Jews were converted to Islam. forced conversion became institutionalized during the Ottoman Empire in the practice of devşirme
@FullFledged2010 You can force someone to act as though they believe to survive. The fact is, most people don´t have intellectual concience and will pay lip-service to whatever they consider will help them get on - I don´t think anyone with real use of mental capacities could insult them to the extent of actually believing the obvious nonsense in those "holy books" dating from the early days of speech recording tech, when writing was felt to be magic. Faith is pretending we controll factuality
@mossfitz Thats your opinion and nothing more. Life is to complex to say who is right or wrong. We can only try to find the truth and we both think we have found it.
The only thing left to do is leave each other in peace.
@FullFledged2010 You´re right in saying that life is complex but no, i am not so silly as to think that i have "found the truth". That sounds like an excuse to stop thinking . I´m fairly sure that the future of the world is endangered by various hordes of people holding on to self-indulgent irrationality at a time in history when the power of humanity has increased through pure rationality, to an extent wherre we could all but destroy life on the planet. Reason has always been the better way.
@mossfitz you can either search your whole life and probably don't find a thing or to just take a direction.
Every single thing i have read in the Koran i a 100% rational even in a scientific perspective. Rationality shouldn't vary from person to person but unfortunately it does so its better to just learn to live with it.
054.018 The 'Ad (people) (too) rejected (Truth): then how terrible was My Penalty and My Warning
054.019For We sent against them a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster,
69,6 And as for 'Ad, they were destroyed by a furious violent wind;
69:7Which Allah imposed upon them for seven nights and eight days in succession, so you would see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees.
you can educate yourself about the nonsensicality of koran on the web
And Ad are arogant and ignorant people and even if they show remorse they still have change of going to heaven. so your effort to state that islam is here by cruel is waisted
@mossfitz I have read the koran myself twice - so the web is just to make it easier - i don´t claim to be a scholar but most muslims are blind to the obvious flaws.
You could check out Abdullah Qasim (former Muslim) on google and see if his very thoughtfull arguments are flawed in any way.
u bimbo, the real nazis are the islamonazis. wherever they rule people are slaves i.e. iran, saudia arabia...ur not an antifa, u a moron with the freedom to babble nonsense.
@piperprop3 You dont know the history nazi fool! If you had a brain (which you clearly dont) you would realize that the us trained these terror groups in the cold war.
CIA trained and funded by america. Who is the enemy again? Im not antifa? Come on, come on, come on come on ANTIFA HOOLIGANS. Perhaps in my next gathering you will see my antifa flag
u are supercharged bimbo. how does ur citing of a CIA policy, that might have been wrong headed, make it invalid recognize and oppose islamofascists? whatever the EVIL CIA did or didn't do it is irrelevant to the phenomenon of islamofascism being a scourge in europe, middle east, north africa, etc...
ur are the social conscience of bimbos the world over. u know nothing let alone history of anything. yet u believe u are all-knowing and wise.
@piperprop3 The islam ideals are terror created by the cia and the us government.
You buy these ideals because you cant think outside the media brainwashing. They dont oppose them you idiot, they endorse them in their lies. Its not irrelevant, its purpose built for the elite in their plans to take over the middle east pipeline. Peak oil is a reality in america. That is why they take control of these resourced based industries. Tell me what would happen if america ran out of oil?
tell me , who neglected u as a child that u became this stupid. u talk about everything except the real issue. ur throwing in everything including the kitchen sink because ur desperate to make a logical connection between the real issue and all the junk ur throwing in. but all ur doing is confirming what a muddled and confused individual u are.
neither the evil CIA, nor the evil american oil industry have anything to do with the islamic population explosion in western europe.
@piperprop3 Offcource they do. They used their resource rich land to maintain their own greed. This war on terror bs drove people out of their land. You then get people emigrating to escape the carnage. America and its cover ops blackwater target civilians and have been caught mass murdering innocents.
Tell me would you stay in a country that has this and endangers your very being?
nor does America's dependence on oil just like europe's, japan's, russia's, iran itself dependence on oil have anything to do with the tyranny of islamofascism.
my friend, ur brain is very fragile is impressionable and thus easily confused by dopey conspiracy theories. u need to learn how to learn and analyze information intelligently.
@piperprop3 I will ask again what happens to a country that has no oil resources? Do you actually realize how much is ran in society by oil? I guess not
i realized it and wrote about it to u in my responses, can u read? then i said so the fuck what??? ur confusing urself with irrelevant facts BIMBO!
there is a rich history of countries being exploited and colonized. that is the history of mankind. i.e. India, China. what allowed these nations to eventually move on? take a wild guess. they were impoverished and and abused yet have become huge economic players within the last 20 years. why did u ever ask urself that?
@piperprop3 You still avoid my question. Colonization is ancient history and cannot be spoken about in recent times. Countries are economic players? No, corporations are far more powerfull. It has been proven in economic figures that the rich list of corporations do infact earn more than an entire country. An exact reason why the rockefellers and bilderberg created this resourced base war.
@piperprop3 They have complete power over america due to its debt. Exactly why the financial markets of the world are in ruins and worldwide debt is a big issue
the common thread in backward societies that cannot advance is the *culture* of islamist superstition and in many cases fanaticism. name an economic powerhouse that is also predominantly muslim demographically.
I brought up 2 powerhouses for u that have seen every kind of exploitation and atrocity imaginable.
where do u think the issue is for backward nations?
Support Geert Wilders in London on 5th March 2010. Help to save the future for OUR CHILDREN. Prevent them from having to live under the rule of 7th century ignorance and religious fascism WHICH IS ALL ISLAM HAS IN STORE FOR THEM. Help to preserve the fundamentals of Western civilisation for which our forefathers died (free speech, free choice, equality, truth and justice). Support Geert Wilders on 5th March because IF WILDERS GOES DOWN, FREEDOM GOES DOWN TOO.
it is nice that u came to that realization. maybe ur next realization will be that geert is only a threat to islamonazis. a muslim who just wants to practice his religion and not shove in down anybody's throat has nothing to fear from this guy.
@piperprop3 well i wish that were true, i live in the netherlands, and i can see the consequences of what he does, remarks like "i kindly ask ALL muslims to leave the country" or "every muslim is a potential trerorist" make the less inteligent (no predudice, statistics) people hate all muslims no mater what, especially since the other politicians in our country are to mature to resort to his way of cinvincing people. people should realise that wilders is just a manipulative racist.
Revert2Truth......what?.....I am a woman and find Mr. Wilders extremely attactive....he's a hunk....take it from me...he's a husband to a woman and has children...and did I mention he's a 6 foot 3 inch hunk..?
well the Koran says "thou shall not kill"
but it is not about religion it is about the human lust for power just look at the crusader times..the crusades were a mad quest for power
zupergozer 4 months ago
I accept,Hinduism,I accept Budhism,I accept Taoism..I accept most religions..but I find it difficult to accept Islam
thomasgk9 7 months ago
FIRST TIME 2 NO THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH MR/ PERFECT 2 U AND 2 PPL OF UR KIND MEANS BEING RUDE ARROGANT AND RACIST 2 NO THE TRUTH GO 2 REKKITTEN DO NOT LISTEN 2 THAT RACIST OR U WILL NOT BE LESS RACIST URSELF PEACE I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE ISLAM
TheAngelofliberty 7 months ago
want muslim out of ur country v. easy GET OUT OF THEIRS FIRST
TheAngelofliberty 7 months ago
FUCK HIM. SAVE EUROPE FROM STUPID RACISTSSS!!!
eljaable 7 months ago
@eljaable Save Europe from stupid Sharia.
TheRetardedSheep 7 months ago
i do despise geert wilders, he's just a bigot hate monger, but he has every right to freedom of expression. i'd certainly defend his right to free speech no matter what.
sherhak 7 months ago
@sherhak Explain how he is a "hate monger" exactly?
Cantocourse 3 weeks ago
Free speech will dominate the world!
33k72 8 months ago
the islam is bad for europe help geert
TheVetbuikTV 8 months ago
May God guide your confused soul which inside I am sure you are not happy of your lonely life. Think where you will be after you die. Where will you be standing?
muadmz 9 months ago
Geert Wilders works for and supports the jews and israel. Its there mission to dominate the world!! This is a warning to the world!
juicymango14 11 months ago
@juicymango14 What is this rhetoric? Blame iit on the Jews like if "It's their mission to dominate the world. Do you have any proof? I did find proof that Islam was trying to dominate the world. It almost sounds like "the devil made me do it. bs
duvexy 10 months ago
@victimlesscriminal
First is that a high court in Amsterdam ordered Public Prosecution to prosecute Geert Wilders. That was not an initiative of the Dutch government because our law system is completely independent.
Secondly you can't judge on what is legal in the Netherlands or not. We have a right in our constitution that says we cannot be discriminated. I just think that our law system will decide whether if he is guilty or not. Not outsiders like you writing letter to our former minister.
Laxave 1 year ago
Go Geert!
atrumira 1 year ago
Eindelijk!! De Nederlanders zijn wakker geschoten. Nu de rest van Europa nog..Voor belgië is het te laat. Ondanks het feit dat Vlaanderen iedere verkiezing, rechts stemde is de linkse loge er nog aan de macht. Van democratie is daar al lang geen sprake meer. De media zijn er tegen de vrije mening zoals in de tijd van hun grote voorbeeld Stalin..
presleyking01 1 year ago
WE LOVE you GEERT WILDERS!!!!
whitemisa 1 year ago
That's it guys, keep attacking Islam while Zionism is the real threat to the White Race. You all need to go on Dr David Duke's channel and educate yourself. Most of the guys behind this anti-Islamic hate sites are Zionists. Don't be used. Throw them down the well.
Check out "How Zionists Divide and Conquer"
guydecervens 1 year ago
@guydecervens Islam is the real Enemy...always was..
whitemisa 1 year ago
@whitemisa So it was Muslims who crucified Jesus? Is it Muslims running the banks? Are Muslims running the media who tell you these lies about '72 virgins' and such nonsense? So keep fixing your hate on harmless muslims while the real enemy laughs at your stupidity.
guydecervens 1 year ago
@guydecervens I do not hate Muslims, I feel for them.the are innocent sweet people in my eyes..Muslims are not running the banks because the are slaves to Islam, most of them are not free enough and not confident enough to live there lives in abundance and financial harmony.the people who focus on money and prosperity the most, are the once who will have it the most .everybody can be rich...all you have to do is to follow the laws of the Universe. (law Of Attraction).
whitemisa 1 year ago
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@guydecervens
"who tell you these lies about '72 virgins' and such nonsense"
Right, the Sunan Al-Tirmidhi Ahadith were fabricated by Zionists. And Ibn Kathir, the author of the highly honoured Tasfir was surely a Zionist, too.
:-)))
Go to an Islamic country and say in public the 5th strongest hadiths in the Sunna was doctored by Zionists...I am afraid your future wouldn't look very bright, if you did so. Therefore: don't do it!
AntiMuhammed 1 year ago
Wilders had to go to court because he made the movie Fitna. Freedom of speech does not excist anymore.
Paddobeer 1 year ago
what ppl dont understand is that u cant have Islam without sharia, they are one and the same thing and its impossible to seperate the two. If you think there exists such a thing as moderate islam then you are wrong because it only means that they are not real followers of islam.
weirdodo25 1 year ago
." Islam is a spiritual illness. Muslims are the first victims?
The ironie is that those live with us are afraid of the treu koran ,
and would be a free democrat human being the same like us whitout the koran.
They wanna bee free, but they more afraid of those ho preach the islam as for god''
TheBasic67 1 year ago
Forced conversions have been very common throughout all Islamic history, . Noted cases include the conversion of Samaritans to Islam at the hands of the rebel Ibn Firāsa, conversions in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and Andalusia, as well as in Persia under the Safavid dynasty where Sunnis were converted to Shi'ism and Jews were converted to Islam. A form of forced conversion became institutionalized during the Ottoman Empire in the practice of devşirme
mossfitz 1 year ago
The biggest irony is, that the only hate and discrimination in this whole case is within islam itself, and if quoting hateful passages from islamic texts constitutes as hate speech I'll move the fuck out from europe, as it's not what people have fought for. This whole tihng is disgusting, and I hope the people suing Geert and pusuing him will be sued out their ass(ets).
Kan2209 1 year ago
Go Geert! Europe and the free world is behind you!
drydust999 1 year ago 6
We love the amazing Geert Wilders!!...yes true freedom is a must! Islam is a nightmare!!!
Nikitapuma 1 year ago 4
Islam is a plague upon humanity.
HereComesTeamB2 1 year ago 23
@HereComesTeamB2 same goes for christianity, the only problem is that the christians think they are better while they did the same stuff the muslims do now (and thats only a few most are normal nice people)
ralfjacobs 1 year ago
Every idiot has an opinion.
Deesighfa 1 year ago
That's right....... when we open our mouths, it's only a sound that comes out. Not everyone on this planet chooses to have a belief system to help them sleep @ night.. Why do they, the people who need one, feel obliged to make others support their narrow mindedness? Religion binds the mind. If there is a god, he must be so disappointed in his creations and their inability to apply their own intelligence in this fleeting life... Who wants to be angry all the time over hypertheticals?!
Deesighfa 1 year ago
Soy demócrata y APOYO a Geert Wilders. Ojalá tuviéramos a un político como Geert en España.
Urfriendlypixolinha 1 year ago
i dont buy your "hopefully having their extreme views emeliarated" line. these guys are not up for having their views emeliarated. no they are on a world domination crusade. so if you dont want public stoning to death then you must support geert wilders to the hilt.
larrydelamb 1 year ago
EUamerican's channel: "American that supports and defends Europe's independence, freedom and Europe's place in the world. GOD bless and protect the European Union!"
That is NOT what you are doing. On the contrary you are supporting the destruction of Europe's freedom and independence, only to dumb to realize that.
Death to islamophile Stalinist-EU ... to hell with fascist islam, and to hell with all you neo-communist traitor idiots Long live European culture.
Geert Wilders rules!
3xtob 1 year ago 2
This neo-fascist is being supported by American neocons and radical Islamophobes like Geller. Geert Wilders as PM of the Netherlands would mean the end of Dutch democracy and its constitution, and Wilders could be a dictator, the Netherlands a rouge nation.
The Dutch people should consider anybody giving aid and comfort to Wilders and his neo-fascist PVV party a hostile act against their nation and its freedom.
EUamerican 1 year ago
Geerte is a hero,,, free speech should never be censored. I am far from religious. The truth should never be muted via censorship or Political Correctness.
RightWingUSA1 1 year ago
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According to the Bible :
"Don't think I have come to spread peace, I have not come to spread peace, but SWORD." (Bible : New Testament, Book of Mathew (10:34)
Does Geert Wild know about this ideology?
howru44 1 year ago
Support of that zionist filth wilders is support for the new world order beast system and a surrender to it's bullshit ideological mindfuck.
MuammarAlGathafi 1 year ago 4
@MuammarAlGathafi ..support for the islamicss is to send everyone back to the 7 th century ,,fuck u
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Git Wilders is not such a 'freedom-loving' person if he believes the Quran should be banned. This git has lived in Israel too long, which is why he is radicalised.
waragainstzionism 1 year ago 15
@waragainstzionism
he only says the quaran should be banned in the netherlands because mein kampf is alredy banned there.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Just because Mein Kampf is already banned it doesn't mean the Quran should be banned too. Adolf Hitler, the Christian mass murderer, was responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews. The Quran & Islam had absolutely nothing to do with this.
Why ban the Quran when only a tiny minority of misguided muslims (around 0.00006% of 1.6 billion muslims) commit acts of terrorism? The problem is terrorists using the Quran as a cover for their own motivations (personal, political, etc.).
waragainstzionism 1 year ago 4
@waragainstzionism
Mohammed, the muslim mass murderer, was also responsible for a lot of deaths (particularly jews).
i'd like to see where you pulled this 0.00006% out of, your ass?
and they can use the quaran as a cover because the stuff they do is actually in the quaran, and the quaran is not only a religious book, it is a politcal ideology too.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Actually, Muhammad was born in an area of the world occupied by PAGAN ARABS and these are people he MOSTLY FOUGHT AGAINST in BATTLES and CONQUESTS.
The FACT is a MINUTE MINORITY of the 1.6 BILLION muslims carry out terrorist acts.
There is a clear verse in the Quran:
"And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allâh is Most Merciful to you" (4:29)
So COMMITTING SUICIDE (AND SUICIDE BOMBING) IS FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM and you won't find a verse proving otherwise.
waragainstzionism 1 year ago 2
@waragainstzionism
WRONG. THE ONLY SURE 100% WAY FOR A MUSLIM MAN TO GET INTO HEAVEN IS TO DIE FIGHTING IN JIHAD (HOLY WAY).
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356
You've shown your ignorance of Islam because Jihad actually means to stuggle or strive for the sake of Allah.
The types of Jihad are a) Jihad against the soul/desires, b) of the tongue, c) with one's wealth and d) fighting to uphold or spread Islam.
A muslim who fought & died in battle won't go to heaven if they committed Shirk:
"Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode" (5:72)
waragainstzionism 1 year ago 3
@waragainstzionism
"Jihad (; جهاد ), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle." In another context, Jihad means holy war" --wikipedia.
You are not ignorant, you are a LIAR. but it's okay to lie to infidels under taqqiya isn't it?
and before you deny this, heres the definition:
Anon12356 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism
Taqqiya - "Refers to permissible lying in Islam. Taqiyya is generally allowable if it is done for the purpose of masking a Muslim's identity as such, or in waging conflict with an enemy. The aim is to mislead the enemy about the true nature, goals, or strength of Islam."
Also, the verse you quoted has no relevance. and if it had done i suspect it was taken from the begging of the koran to the middle, and not the end (where it gets more violent). you may ask why this is
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356
You're the one who's lying as Taqiyya actually means to conceal one's faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. The actual number of instances of Taqiyya has been rare within FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS. Why did the Prophet Muhammad not practice it himself if you claim it is permissible in Islam?
Taqiyya is associated with and might still be practiced by a minority (Twelvers & Ismaili's) within a minority (Shia, 15%) of muslims. So it's not widespread & rare.
waragainstzionism 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism
Taqiyya allows muslims to lie if it benefits islam. also, that is a blatant lie. you can't know how many times it has been used in FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEARS. so shut up.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Proofs from Quran that lying is prohibited in Islam:
1) "It is only those who believe not in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars" (16:105).
2) "O you who believe! Be afraid of Allâh, and be with those who are true (in words and deeds)." (9:119)
3) "And mix not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth while you know (the truth)" (2:42)
4) "Woe to every sinful liar" (45:7)
waragainstzionism 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Yet more proofs:
5) "And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh." (11:18)
6) "Then whoever disputes with you concerning him [Jesus] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. Jesus] being a slave of Allâh, & having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad SAW) "Come, let us call our sons & your sons, our women & your women, ourselves & yourselves - then we pray & invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie." (3:61)
Also 4:50, 10:66
waragainstzionism 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Proof from Sunnah that lying is prohibited in Islam:
1) "Four traits, whoever possesses them is a hypocrite and whoever possesses some of them has an element of hypocrisy until he leaves it: the one who when he speaks he lies, when he promises he breaks his promise, when he disputes he transgresses and when he makes an agreement he violates it."
(Bukhari & Muslim)
waragainstzionism 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism Lying to fellow Muslims is wrong but lying to Kafir is encouraged.
Bluefairy513 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Yet more proof from Sunnah:
2) “Maintain truthfulness, for truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Heaven. A man continues to maintain truthfulness until he is recorded in Allah’s book as truthful. Refrain from lying, because lying leads to blatant evil, and evil leads to the fire. A man continues to lie until he is recorded in Allah’s book as a liar”
(Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood & Al-Tirmithi)
waragainstzionism 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism
Taqiyya contradicts and supersedes these prohibitions. At first Islam was a "peaceful" religion, and mohammed tried to spread his religion peacefully. But it was n't growing fast enough. So he made it more violent (and the koran gets progressively more violent and un-peaceful throughout the book). He also wrote in the koran that when two verses contradict each other the latter supersedes.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Sorry, but you're totally wrong. The verses quoted were a mix of MAKKI and MADANI. I'll list the verses that were MADANI for your info:
2) (9:119)
3) (2:42)
6) (3:61)
Also (4:50) was a MADANI verse so lying is prohibited in Islam.
And what about the hadiths mentioned which are contained in SEVERAL books?
The Bukhari references to these by the way are:
1) Volume 1, Book 2 (Belief) no. 33 ('Abdullah bin 'Amr)
2) Volume 8, Book 73 (Good Manners) no. 116 ('Abdullah)
waragainstzionism 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism
Well i have no problem with you choosing to interpret the koran and hadith this way, but lots of muslims aren't going to see it the way you do. especially the extremeists.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@Anon12356
Well thanks.
The problem is with extremists, Jihadists or Kharijites who are influenced & inspired by misguided ideological individuals like Sayyid Qutb, Hassan al-Bana & Maududi who themselves were influenced by the teachings of Marx & Lenin (secular atheist jews).
They call for violent revolutions & toppling muslim & non-muslim governments to establish an islamic state.
Terrorism & suicide bombing is legitimate in their eyes to establish this goal, it's a means to an end.
waragainstzionism 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism
Excactly.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism
important. this is important because in in the koran mohammed deals with contradictions (unlike the bible and torah) by saying when 2 subjects contradict the latter is true. this is all irrelevant as the verse you quoted doesn't mean shit/ but you'll understand i trully am not ignorant of islam, and have indeed done my research. you lie.
Anon12356 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism and thats what the muslims prey on ,the soft bellies of the liberal elite.
stevenpaddybwoy 1 year ago
@waragainstzionism He is not in favor of the Qu'ran being banned you git. He simply pointed out the hypocrisy of the Dutch government banning Mein Kampf as being hate mongering and anti semetic. It makes no sense that they would ban that and not the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran is free to promote hate because it is a religion? BTW it is NOT a religion, It is a fascist totalitarian ideology. Very much like the Nazi party but far far worse.
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chimanthegreat 1 year ago
Learn to write English before you post, i.e. "rule Europe", it would make you look very slightly less than an idiot, although only very slightly less!
cruithneuladh 1 year ago
save the world say no to islam.
paulusarab 1 year ago 25
@paulusarab Geert Wilders cleared of all charges.
MegaGayjesus 7 months ago
I am going to send the letter!
StopGhazi 1 year ago
Allahu Snackbar!
HaligonianType1 1 year ago
islam will rull eurpe
islam1rule1europe 1 year ago
@islam1rule1europe
learn to spell it first, bit easier to find on a map that way
rasmAn2 1 year ago
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Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 137
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."
Mohammed says rape is ok...
nofacistsworld 1 year ago
Accusing and prosecuting Wilders for "inciting hatred" will incite more hatred than he ever could, even if he ever wanted to. Either or, Europe is awakening, and lawmakers - and exploiters - should show some responsibility, to at least attempt to avoid, or not to contribute to a civil war in Europe. If we act now, it can be done. If we silence freedom of speech, there is already no other way than civil war.
decemberthirtytwo 1 year ago
Islam modern day nazis. Geert wilders is a hero.
onabreeze 1 year ago
@onabreeze
So right! Geert Wilders is a hero and there should be many more of people like him. But to bad half of the people of holland ( I'm from holland ) call PVV people ( his party ) nazis. I'm also Wilders supporter, they call me nazi against muslims :S While its the opposite.. It's the moslims that are nazis,
RDHartist 1 year ago 2
@RDHartist More and more people are realising and wakeing up to the muslim nazis, stay strong well said peace. Islam is an evil cult as far as im concerned, thank god for peoplel like us and geert.
onabreeze 1 year ago 2
@onabreeze I hope you're right :( Holland is not fun anymore.. 9th of june the voting will be, and I hope Geert will win.. but I guess not.. All the other politician parties are against him,so they will probably not want him to work with them.. I hope other countries will soon wake up to and help us and there selves... I'm voting Wilders the 9th :)
RDHartist 1 year ago 2
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Mongodelight 1 year ago
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Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, volume 2, pages 116, 117 on verse 2:191, [8], states:
As Jihad involves death and the killing of men, Allah draws our attention to the fact that the disbelief and polytheism of the disbelievers, and their avoidance of Allahs path are far worse than killing. Thus Allah says, And Fitnah is worse than killing. This is to say that shirk (Polytheism) is more serious and worse than killing.
Schism89 1 year ago
Geert Wilders for freedom and a new turn around in society!!!!
sswemmer 1 year ago 2
I heard you! and you're guilty! shame for you!
1chichimec1 1 year ago
we must stop islam just as we stopped the nazies and commies !!!
noeszigi 1 year ago 2
Learn what the White Supremacist, Neocon, Xenophobe, Islamophobe & NeoNazi Diana West and her hero Geert Wilders believe in..
selvesandothers(.)org/article1 6214(.)html
nytimes(.)com/2007/08/29/books /29grim(.)html?_r=1
Diana West is a Hardcore Brainwashed Follower of Sun Myung Moon and his Cult.
Geert Wilders Blames a Bad Weather on Islam, he blames everything on Islam like Hitler.
Wilders is EXPOSED, he is worst than Nazis....
spiegel(.)de/international/eur ope/0,1518,681945,00(.)html
halcyon0830 1 year ago
@halcyon0830 Nonsense! Geert Wilders is a strong leader and we need more leaders like that! I am sick of political correctness! Go Wilders! Islam is not going to dominate Europe!
theromashka1 1 year ago
@theromashka1 Your fascist little oompa loompa needs to be thrown into one of those Amsterdam canals.
MuammarAlGathafi 1 year ago
No more Muslim liesGod bless Geert.You are now the leader of whole humanity!We trust you we lowe you!
No More lies,no more legs and arms amputation,no more woman stoning,no more cuting of tongues,no more inforced child marriages,no more slaughtering of milions of inocents,no more child rape,molestation,no more mutilations,no more streets decorations with hanged woman no more Islam no more muslims!
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
Wiw this seems to be a vid with a bunch of ppl suffering from paranoia !!
Geert Wilders = nothing else than a populist spreading hatred towards Muslims , he even refuses to debate with moderate Muslims , ha ha..Love it how the defenders of freedom of speech always defend it when it's about hatred ! LOL.
this looks like some kinda brainwashing vid ! LOL
inevergiveup1402 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402 what colour burka do you prefer?
MrAntiFarLeft 1 year ago
mr antifa left - i think i'll shoose a black one . LOL it' ll b nicer with my eyes make up !
inevergiveup1402 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402
do they come with Knee Pads..
it's a depressing mindset and it burns me out dealing with it.
that's why i'm not going to do this forever. you get sucked down into
it and your vision starts to dim and you see human beings as no more than hateful haggard bags of hate.
Texvvhatever 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402
dont worry marie. i don't think the british people will ever be that stupid.
we all learnt from hitler? and his pals so Nick the DICK and his pals are just farting against a cyclone.
bullshitting on youtube is a vastly different thing to gaining elected office. and their supporters generally show what NUMPTIES the BNP are. of course when we give them a
little bit of a prod it helps to bring out their nuttiness. :D
TexHevan 1 year ago
@inevergiveup1402 did your old woman friend diershittas tell you to say that Marie..
or was it your old man friend Karl....
i see a pattern....
you have no parents..right :)
HEIL KARL!
Texvvhatever 1 year ago
Islam is killing Europe
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"Moet Geert wilders psychisch onderzocht worden?" Pak deze zin en 'google' het!!
FlyingDutchman65 1 year ago
just donated 10 euro!
Mongodelight 1 year ago
Wilders, leave my country alone! You're nothing but a carpetbagger, and a muppet with your Jewish wife pulling the strings
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@FlyingDutchman65
His wife is not Jewish, shes a Hungarian Diplomat, do your research you stupid cunt. Stop being so anti jewish. We get it you don't like jew's, then go back home and have some tea with your flat mates, Adolf and Joseph.
Advocate4Humanity 1 year ago
@FlyingDutchman65 , the Netherland is not your country, you will never be European. You should move to Saudi Arabia where you can beat up your wives, and marry a 9 year old child.
That is all in your crapran.
QuranISmeinkampf 1 year ago
@FlyingDutchman65
what are u talking about? carpetbagger? can u explain how this term applies to him?
1) he is a native dutchman as i understand.
2) all he doing and advocating for is preservation of the tradition of liberty modern hollans is famous for? in other words he is doing the opposite of what u are implying.
3) fighting encroachment of islam on dutch society is part of that.
4) sounds like your real argument with him is an anti-Semitic one and that is where it ends.
piperprop3 1 year ago
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ISLAMisGlory 1 year ago
Geert can save Europe - listen to him and keep Europe free from Islam.
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wilders looks like a gay asshole
yadoley 1 year ago
Freedom to abuse? Would you say to bullies at school it's good to have the freedom to abuse other kids either verbally, emotionally or physically? My point is Freedom gives you power but with power comes responsibility. We should all unite and punish those who don't act responsibly- causing civil unrest or evoking global tensions should not be justified by the freedom of speech. There are better ways of addressing every issue
MrFana1982 1 year ago
As a Dutchman I am very much against Wilders but this trial does not make any sense.
DrBPhD 1 year ago
If you do not stop Islam it will rule you idiot. They are taking your freedoms and giving Islam what ever it wants this must stop.
Repsol52 1 year ago 17
@Repsol52 euuuh.. nobody cares?
stzebi 1 year ago
@Repsol52 so you have the freedom to think what you want but i as a muslim cant? sounds like racism to me.
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010 Could you please enlighten me as to when islam became a `race`?
MuslimPaedophile1 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010
You fucking idiot you have the right to think anything that you want. You have the right to be offended by what I say, but I still have the right to state my opinions. It is called freedom of speech; asshole. Deal with it. You however do not have the right to silence me just because I offend you, so if it is offensive to you that your Mohamad was a camel piss drinking idiot too bad. If you like Shariha Law and hate US and European Law the you have the right to get the fuck out.
brewmiester11 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010 What? Have you been listening to anything? Racism? are you crazy? Someone trying to stop you "thinking what you want"??? Your lack of rationality is scary.
mossfitz 1 year ago
@mossfitz This geert wilders wants to ban the Koran so that means i cant legally liv in the nederlands anymore if he gets his way. I was born here and raised 100% dutch and became a muslim when i was about 19 yo, i never committed a crime in my life and i definitely don't force my religion upon other people.
I am not even welcome in islamic country's so where can i go?
What is your rational answer as to why i should stop being a muslim would help the world?
I probably would hang my self...
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010
1. This petition is about the case against Wilder´s Film Fitna - not his opinion about banning the Koran.
2. The Koran, however calls for killing people like Wilders and i - not merely "banning" us
3. If you are not forcing Islam upon other people, you are not a particularly good example of someone following Muhammad´s final word - or should i say, the final words of god himself
4. The rational answer is: the world needs every bit of sanity it can muster to deal with the future
mossfitz 1 year ago
@mossfitz you have absolutly no knowledge about islam nor rational thought if you thing someone could be forced into becoming a muslim.
The very most important thing a muslim has to do is believe in allah and his messengers/prophets. how in the world could someone being forced into doing that?
2 if you can prove that islam tells me to kill people i would stop being a muslim eminently.
i have read the koran many times and there is noting inhere that tells me to kill anyone!
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010 9:5.2:19 14:91 Forced conversions have been very common throughout all Islamic history, Cases include the conversion of Samaritans to Islam at the hands of the rebel Ibn Firāsa, conversions in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and Andalusia, as well as in Persia under the Safavid dynasty where Sunnis were converted to Shi'ism and Jews were converted to Islam. forced conversion became institutionalized during the Ottoman Empire in the practice of devşirme
mossfitz 1 year ago
@mossfitz tell me how can you force someone to believe something?
its Impossible!
And for me muslims who think otherwise don't understand the koran or islam.
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010 You can force someone to act as though they believe to survive. The fact is, most people don´t have intellectual concience and will pay lip-service to whatever they consider will help them get on - I don´t think anyone with real use of mental capacities could insult them to the extent of actually believing the obvious nonsense in those "holy books" dating from the early days of speech recording tech, when writing was felt to be magic. Faith is pretending we controll factuality
mossfitz 1 year ago
@mossfitz Thats your opinion and nothing more. Life is to complex to say who is right or wrong. We can only try to find the truth and we both think we have found it.
The only thing left to do is leave each other in peace.
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010 You´re right in saying that life is complex but no, i am not so silly as to think that i have "found the truth". That sounds like an excuse to stop thinking . I´m fairly sure that the future of the world is endangered by various hordes of people holding on to self-indulgent irrationality at a time in history when the power of humanity has increased through pure rationality, to an extent wherre we could all but destroy life on the planet. Reason has always been the better way.
mossfitz 1 year ago
@mossfitz you can either search your whole life and probably don't find a thing or to just take a direction.
Every single thing i have read in the Koran i a 100% rational even in a scientific perspective. Rationality shouldn't vary from person to person but unfortunately it does so its better to just learn to live with it.
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010 You really are far gone if you have swallowed Koran as 100% rational. It is full of internal contradictions, scientific errors and
historical blunders. Here just a few 54:19 mentions Aad was destroyed in a day but
69:6,7 mentions Aad was destroyed in seven nights and eight days;
28:40 mentions pharaoh drowned and died but 10:92 states
that the same pharaoh was saved; 15:19 mentions earth is flat; 86:6,7 states that
semen emits from between back-bone and the ribs;
mossfitz 1 year ago
@mossfitz 54:19 doesn't say anything about one day at all.
28:40 says he was thrown in the water, not drowned or died.
15:19 doesn't mention anything about the form of the earth.
This is why people use the koran as an excuse to do horrible things because a lot of people just can't read.
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@FullFledged2010
054.018 The 'Ad (people) (too) rejected (Truth): then how terrible was My Penalty and My Warning
054.019For We sent against them a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster,
69,6 And as for 'Ad, they were destroyed by a furious violent wind;
69:7Which Allah imposed upon them for seven nights and eight days in succession, so you would see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees.
you can educate yourself about the nonsensicality of koran on the web
mossfitz 1 year ago
@mossfitz
those are soerahs about what happens when its the end of days so whast wrong with that?
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@mossfitz
And Ad are arogant and ignorant people and even if they show remorse they still have change of going to heaven. so your effort to state that islam is here by cruel is waisted
FullFledged2010 1 year ago
@mossfitz I have read the koran myself twice - so the web is just to make it easier - i don´t claim to be a scholar but most muslims are blind to the obvious flaws.
You could check out Abdullah Qasim (former Muslim) on google and see if his very thoughtfull arguments are flawed in any way.
mossfitz 1 year ago
I would put that nazi bastard in with the trash. FUCKING NAZI SCUM
SuperEarther 1 year ago
Hello Nazist basterd.. get a life.
MrSkywin 1 year ago
Here is how to help wilders. Go to his house and kick the shit out of him
SuperEarther 1 year ago
Oh go to your hoyse and kick the shit out of you? kk.
MrSkywin 1 year ago
no pasaran wilders!
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
good idea shithead, wrong person. that might be just the thing to fix u up.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 no pasaran nazi scum!
SuperEarther 1 year ago
Geert Wilders President of Europe!
MrSkywin 1 year ago
fuck off nazi scum
SuperEarther 1 year ago
Before you say Nazi u should learn what it is Dumb basterd.. you are Nazist and A traitor!... hope you find your good friend Hitler in Hell.
MrSkywin 1 year ago
Hahaha greetings fron antifa you nazi scum!
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
u bimbo, the real nazis are the islamonazis. wherever they rule people are slaves i.e. iran, saudia arabia...ur not an antifa, u a moron with the freedom to babble nonsense.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 You dont know the history nazi fool! If you had a brain (which you clearly dont) you would realize that the us trained these terror groups in the cold war.
CIA trained and funded by america. Who is the enemy again? Im not antifa? Come on, come on, come on come on ANTIFA HOOLIGANS. Perhaps in my next gathering you will see my antifa flag
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
u are supercharged bimbo. how does ur citing of a CIA policy, that might have been wrong headed, make it invalid recognize and oppose islamofascists? whatever the EVIL CIA did or didn't do it is irrelevant to the phenomenon of islamofascism being a scourge in europe, middle east, north africa, etc...
ur are the social conscience of bimbos the world over. u know nothing let alone history of anything. yet u believe u are all-knowing and wise.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 The islam ideals are terror created by the cia and the us government.
You buy these ideals because you cant think outside the media brainwashing. They dont oppose them you idiot, they endorse them in their lies. Its not irrelevant, its purpose built for the elite in their plans to take over the middle east pipeline. Peak oil is a reality in america. That is why they take control of these resourced based industries. Tell me what would happen if america ran out of oil?
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
tell me , who neglected u as a child that u became this stupid. u talk about everything except the real issue. ur throwing in everything including the kitchen sink because ur desperate to make a logical connection between the real issue and all the junk ur throwing in. but all ur doing is confirming what a muddled and confused individual u are.
neither the evil CIA, nor the evil american oil industry have anything to do with the islamic population explosion in western europe.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 Offcource they do. They used their resource rich land to maintain their own greed. This war on terror bs drove people out of their land. You then get people emigrating to escape the carnage. America and its cover ops blackwater target civilians and have been caught mass murdering innocents.
Tell me would you stay in a country that has this and endangers your very being?
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
nor does America's dependence on oil just like europe's, japan's, russia's, iran itself dependence on oil have anything to do with the tyranny of islamofascism.
my friend, ur brain is very fragile is impressionable and thus easily confused by dopey conspiracy theories. u need to learn how to learn and analyze information intelligently.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 I will ask again what happens to a country that has no oil resources? Do you actually realize how much is ran in society by oil? I guess not
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
i realized it and wrote about it to u in my responses, can u read? then i said so the fuck what??? ur confusing urself with irrelevant facts BIMBO!
there is a rich history of countries being exploited and colonized. that is the history of mankind. i.e. India, China. what allowed these nations to eventually move on? take a wild guess. they were impoverished and and abused yet have become huge economic players within the last 20 years. why did u ever ask urself that?
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 You still avoid my question. Colonization is ancient history and cannot be spoken about in recent times. Countries are economic players? No, corporations are far more powerfull. It has been proven in economic figures that the rich list of corporations do infact earn more than an entire country. An exact reason why the rockefellers and bilderberg created this resourced base war.
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@piperprop3 They have complete power over america due to its debt. Exactly why the financial markets of the world are in ruins and worldwide debt is a big issue
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
have it ur way...at least ur only a harmless ignorant bimbo who spits out drivel. we don't have worry about u.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 Opinion without content is useless. Your unable to debate my points!
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
i am unable to because u didn't make any. u just threw the kitchen sink and gandma into a pot and said 'debate this'.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 still going round in circles i see. not suprising for the un educated
SuperEarther 1 year ago
@SuperEarther
the common thread in backward societies that cannot advance is the *culture* of islamist superstition and in many cases fanaticism. name an economic powerhouse that is also predominantly muslim demographically.
I brought up 2 powerhouses for u that have seen every kind of exploitation and atrocity imaginable.
where do u think the issue is for backward nations?
please pick up book. learn something.
piperprop3 1 year ago
Great video!
Deadleader555 1 year ago
Congratulation Geert Wilders on your victory on Dutch local election
Tomislavv2 1 year ago
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WeWantOurFreedomBack 1 year ago
i dsipise geert wilders and his ideas, but you are absulutely right, he also should be able to say whatever he wants.
i wise man once said "freedom is the freedom to allow sombody to do something you dont like"
i might add that you just changed my opinion on the mater to what it is now, or at least made me realise i did so.
lepthymo 1 year ago
@lepthymo
it is nice that u came to that realization. maybe ur next realization will be that geert is only a threat to islamonazis. a muslim who just wants to practice his religion and not shove in down anybody's throat has nothing to fear from this guy.
piperprop3 1 year ago
@piperprop3 well i wish that were true, i live in the netherlands, and i can see the consequences of what he does, remarks like "i kindly ask ALL muslims to leave the country" or "every muslim is a potential trerorist" make the less inteligent (no predudice, statistics) people hate all muslims no mater what, especially since the other politicians in our country are to mature to resort to his way of cinvincing people. people should realise that wilders is just a manipulative racist.
lepthymo 1 year ago
victimless another good point made as always
Anglichanen 2 years ago
Good move!!
Intersounds 2 years ago
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p.s geert wilders looks gayer than elton john
Revert2Truth 2 years ago
take it from a woman.....he's a hunk....
preservwestculture 2 years ago
transgenedered people arent really women in my book.
Revert2Truth 2 years ago
Revert2Truth......what?.....I am a woman and find Mr. Wilders extremely attactive....he's a hunk....take it from me...he's a husband to a woman and has children...and did I mention he's a 6 foot 3 inch hunk..?
preservwestculture 2 years ago