@FunkyDoughnut its too bad you feel that way. But the fact is, when a country attacks us... we declare war on that country, not just their military. So don't fuck with us. Though I think the war in Afghanistan is unjust only because it was an organization that attacked and not the countries military...we should've went in with Special forces type units to attack the leaders of Al-qaida. But dropping the bomb here was absolutely justified.
@PunkyDoughnut The bomb saved not only American lives it saved Japanese lives. The amount of people who would have been killed in a ground invasion (Which is what was next had it not been for the Abomb) would have been far far more than the bomb killed. It would have been an absolute human slaughter. Japan was absolutely not the country they are today. They were rabid fanatical people willing to die for the Emperor.
If you were an infantry man this bomb saved your life.
@PunkyDoughnut FYI Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd General Army under AField Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & close to 20,000 died in the bombing.
The Japanese sent air balloons with bombs to the United States. Fortunately most of them landed in rural areas. The slanty eyed geniuses underestimated the size of the United States. The U.S. shouldn't have dropped one atomic bomb on Hirshima and one on Nagasaki. They should have dropped hundreds of atomic bombs on Tokyo. The Japanese deserve descendants mutated by atomic radiation. They never should have messed with Mother Green & Her Killing Machine.
@Jefgg I believe the Jap air balloons killed 2 people in the US which added to the 62 US civilians killed at Pearl Harbor totals 64 plus or minus a few hundred - compared to killing over 600,000 Jap civilians in nuclear and fire bombings attacks of Japanese cities - are you using a exponential or logarithmic equation?
@majorgeeek People died. Get over it. It was inevitable that nuclear warheads were going to be used on civilian targets because the world had never encountered that kind of devastation before. now that the world has seen over 100 nuclear detonations, the likelihood of another being detonated by a government of a developed country is nil to naught. that's war for you. even if you don't think you're involved, you still are.
@sNiP3R0pTiX Hiroshima is the 1st modern instance of terrorist bombings of civilian populations using nuclear weapons - which the US have difficulty officially defining as both justified and a reason for Japan's surrender - means the USA has adopted the culture of terror and mass destruction ie ground zero delivering a level of shock and awe on the enemy by deliberate targeting civilians & obliterating cities has become standard operating procedure as also adopted by bin Laden
its the biggest terror ever , america is terrorist country even japan refused to give up this is not excuse to kill million of innocence people , they have no guilty in such bad war.
@jordannet they had no right coming into our country and killing thousands of our innocent soldiers who never did anything to them and bomb pearl harbor. When you kill innocent people, especially soldiers when you were the one to throw the first blow, you better expect life for your country will be half gone. do it again, your whole country will be..
@701765 japan was a completley diffrent country back then more lives would have been lost on on one side alone is the u.s would have invaded take a history class maybe
@Sheilabugler Military base? Maybe we should have bombed a military headquarters then. Like the ones at Hiroshima.... The 2nd General Army Headquarters was in Hiroshima, as was the HQ for the 59th Army, as well as the 224th Division.
@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
right! america shouldnt have dropped the bombs and invaded japan!.........worst idea ever. oh yea and the russians probably would have come in as well and turned it into a communist state.
@manop98 oh yes - let us all align ourselves to the propaganda fed masses who believe the atom bomb mass murders averted hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, women and children armed with bamboo sticks, pitch forks and chop sticks from mass murdering 1 million of our bravest marines
@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
Fucking heartless people, why so many HATE? Killing people as if they own their lives.... What will happen tomorrow if we need to unite to save the planet? who avoid man-made disasters? Please, we should learn from animals... Oh right, the only animal that deserves to be called "animal" is the man. Poor people who died and those who suffered or suffer the consequences..
Wouldn't it be funny if Iran did this to the US in the coming year or so? To save many many innocent Iranian young lives? Pathetic logic presented by all those who justify this bomb(s).
@badger1211 Comments like these are pathetic. People cant seem to understand that the reason we dropped the bombs were to end the war. We dropped the bomb to save American lives, that would have been lost along with the same Japanese lives if we didnt drop the bombs. The 3 reasons of atomic bombs being used in war are:
1. Saving lives
2. Saving Time
3. Saving money
Yes, a lot of innocent women and children were killed, but they probably would have died anyways if we didnt dropthe bomb.
@Cooldudeguy6 Japan was beaten as early as Jan '45 but refused to accept the terms of Truman's "unconditional surrender" as per Potsdam - ironically after months of delaying Truman settled for the conditional surrender - the invasion of Japan by US ground forces was a myth because the estimated marine casualties was too high, it would have dragged out the war longer, prevented the planned nuclear attack and allowed the Russians to enter Japan following their August Storm victory
@majorgeeek Oh, yes, the Walter Trohan fabrication about the "Macmemo". I have a suggestion, geekboy: why don't you call the archivists at the MacArthur museum in Norfolk, Virginia, and ask them about that? Why not indeed?
@kentamitchell what Walter Trohan "fabrication" are you mumbling about now? - by the way didn't mummy tell you name calling is abusive and rude? apparently not ? - it is not my fault you support terrorist bombings,9/11, Hiroshima and the like, you even claim Truman should have "dropped more bombs" and done it "sooner" - sounds like you lack more than just mental hygiene
@majorgeeek The fabrication Trohan published in the Chicago Tribune August 19, 1945 geekboy. Try calling the archives at the MacArthur Museum in Niorfolk, Va. (757-441-2965) I asked them about that 40 page memo Trohan claimed MacArthur forwarded to FDR.
I asked them about the story about ex-President Hoover asking MacArthur about the memo- MacArthur declined comment. (Because he knew that story made him look good to anyone gullible enough to believe it.)
@kentamitchell next time you ring the museum don't ask for the "fabrication" - besides you who else said it was a "fabrication"?? - remember, an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence -
@majorgeeek geekboy hits a NEW all-time LOW. I called the archivist @ the MacArthur museum & asked about the memo Trohan claimed that MacArthur senty to FDR 1/45. He told me that they've never been able to find any such memo- & that when ex-President Hoover enquired about the alledged memo's authenticity, MacArthur declined to comment.
"an absense of evidence is not evidence of absense"? Sorry, geekboy, you're off 180 degrees on that one.
@kentamitchell actually you are doing a good job so far - all I can suggest to you at this stage is keep on looking for the memo - it should be somewhere in the CIA top secret storage, filed under "ultra embarrassing for President Truman" - just don't tell them you're from jihad
Trohan's front page story reveals more damning negligence of FDR and Truman stalling the surrender process and refusing to negotiate surrender with Japs
Why didn't Truman deny the article?
Why didn't the WH release a press statement?
Why didn't the newspapers retract the story?
How did Trohan acquire accurate and ultra top secret intel about Japan's surrender not privy to the public?
Why didn't the WH release a press statement?" Generally speaking, the White House does not issue denials or press releases on every accusation. There's an apocryphal story going around that once LBJ was running for office and wanted to accuse his opponent of ... ah ... being romantically attached to pigs. "Now Lyndon," his campaign manager said, "you know that ain't true."
"I know that," LBJ said, "I just want to hear him deny it.
@majorgeeek Sometimes it's just better to ignore things. The Press Secretary's job's to decide what's worth fighting for and what's not. By making a press statement, a local story gets national coverage (Remember, back in 45 a story that hits page 1 above the fold in Chicago could easily have no "legs" in New York or LA).
Even today... there's a rumor Obama's mother-in-law practices voodoo in the White House. Should the PotUS say something? Or is this just another LBJ-style pig-lover rumor?
@majorgeeek geekboy, the CIA wasn't founded til 1947. Please explain why REPUBLICAN Presidents (Ike, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 & 43 would not have released such a story. (Remember Bush 41 was once Director of the CIA)
@majorgeeek Trohan's column claims that Japanese officials with the approval of the emporer made overatures to MacArthur. Care to NAME any of them geekboy?
I wonder still people appreciate US for dropping Atomic bomb.............50,000 innocent lives........
Probably world would be safer place if it were bipolar (in hands of China and Japan)......Ever since world has gone unipolar (governed by US), it has seen utter devastation........
@QayyumZafar All life is innocent, even in war. It's until the corrupt distort those lives do we ever notice it. I for one wouldn't put "appreciate" as the word to use here; the word grateful I might even be hesitant to use. If the US never used the atomic bombs, the war would of had an extremely different outcome. The US might not even be around. I'm grateful for what happened but it is still very tragic to everyone.
@QayyumZafar Are you not forgetting Pearl Harbor? These were all innocent lives. Innocent soldiers, and civilians. We were not in a war yet, and then the Japanese dragged us into it. We dropped the bomb to end the war, not to kill the innocent.
@QayyumZafar always remeber the 12 million innocent chinese killed by japan. They even dropped bubonic plague on them. China had the second highest casualty rate in ww2 second on to The Sviet Union
Teaming up with Hitler trying to kill everyone and taking over the world killing other people in other countries really deserves a Atomic bomb to drop in Japan or Germany.
@kentamitchell "nowhere near"? - the correct interpretation of the cables is Japan knew it was beaten, was searching for peace and attempting to negotiate surrender via the agency of Russia - following the Russian betrayal and the brilliant success of Soviet invasion August Storm which annihilated the last of Hirohito's reserves outside of Japan and forced his hand for urgent acceptance of the conditional surrender
@XxCYRAXANDERMACxX Maybe they should have used it on a major army base then. Oh, that was Hiroshima. NAVY base then. Oops, that's Nagasaki.
If we had a half-dozen of them, I'd agree with you. We had two. After the first one, Gen. Anami, felt that there was only enough uranium to make one. Other members of the cabinet were convinced that world opinion would stop the US from dropping a second. Others felt it didn't matter how many the US had, the Samurai spirit would prevail.
@ImperialistRunningDo Hiroshima a "major army base"? - the population of Hiroshima before the bombing was 250,000 a pretty broad definition of army base - I assume there was also a army base in Coventry in WW2 - if Hitler had announced he had bombed "Coventry a major army base” in order to avoid the killing of civilians, I’m sure you’ll agree his characterization would be well and truly off.
Why not come clean and admit you support terrorism such as Hiroshima and 9/11
@1Dougy85 Don't forget that from 1937 on, the japs were on a genocidal road trip across Asia. More lives would have been lost if they had nukes because they would have dropped them all over the place. Beijing, Shanghai, Nanking, Chongqing, Hanoi, Saigon, Singapore, tens of millions of people gone.
@Meirstein what if Japan "had nukes" concurrent with USA? maybe it would have secured earlier peace with less destruction of Japan? - prevented the Soviets taking Manchuria and maybe Japan and USA formed an alliance together with Kwantong Army, the atomic monopoly and Chiang's forces driven Moa's ass out of China - then today we wouldn'd be having all the problems with the Chinese & Korean communists - the Chinese would be like the Japs - eating hotdogs and watching baseball, utopia?
@majorgeeek I would say nothing would really happen. We didn't test our first nuke until after all land operations against japan stopped, and we were just firebombing them at that point. Also, a post-war alliance with japan was completely unthinkable. In WWII, 1 in 3 Americans wanted to destroy japan completely as a nation. Plus, it's good that nukes were only used those two times and by only 1 nation. The world would be a much worse place if the nuclear bomb became an acceptable weapon.
@Meirstein "until after all land operations against Japan had stopped..."? Land battles were still going on in Burma, in the Philippines & in China 8/45; more were due to begin:Malaya 9/45; Kyushu 11/45
@kentamitchell While we were still going on with small island operations in the Philippines, the major battles were all in late 1944, early 1945. The last major land operation by the US was Okinawa, that ended in June, a month before the first nuclear tests. While some were planned, the last ones conducted were done before Trinity (the first successful nuclear test).
@Meirstein wrote "japs were on a genocidal road trip across Asia. More lives would have been lost if they had nukes because they would have dropped them all over the place. Beijing, Shanghai, Nanking, Chongqing, Hanoi, Saigon, Singapore, tens of millions of people gone" - as it turned out the USA beat the Japs to nuclear genocide.
Truman said "The atom bomb was no "great decision." It was merely another powerful weapon in the arsenal of righteousness. We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes."
Estimates state up to 200,000 total had died by 1950 from burns, radiation and related disease. From 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 94 leukemia and 848 solid cancers.
@sneakerino And what do you base your judgment about Americans on? As an American I wish our government would stay out of the worlds buisness ...I could careless what happens in Iran or anywhere else for that matter, I just want to raise my family and grow old and die and be left the hell alone. And I think you would find that’s what most Americans want. I love my country, but hate and distrust the politicians, what they want and what most Americans want are two totally different things.
@sneakerino Look... While it’s hard to believe from watching this those bombs saved thousands of lives on both sides. The U.S. faced an invasion of the Japanese mainland, estimated American casualties range anywhere from 220,000 – 500,000+, and that’s not counting the Japanese casualties. While I don’t believe nuclear weapons should ever be used again, in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings I firmly believe the saved way more lives than they took.
Hey hey if you know about a bombing of the us (hypothetically XD) dont be like us and bomb the innocent or youll because most people i know don't support the bombing and think it was a horrible thing. the people posting mean comments are just a bunch of little scrubby back of the woods rednecks!
What a beautiful sight,seeing the uranium firing pin shoot down the tube & the "Atomic Beehives" start smashing into each other until you get the whitest energy ,as bright as staring into the sun & then?Most people did die from Radiation there are even pictures of mens shadows burned onto white concrete like the Tony Shaloub episode of x files.But the reason most deaths occur are from the percussion.Most bombs are detonated above ground for just that,more BANG FOR UR USELESS AMERICAN BUCK.?.SOS
@Shers31 What war is that moron,... where Israel smokes your muslim ass. Do you forget while Iran is trying to develop a bomb as in singular bomb Isarel already has roughly 200 ready to send your way. Islam has no respect for life you can't honestly say it does. go blow yourself up dude your existance is offensive to people who can think logically
USA NEED PAY FOR THIS CRIMES!!ONLY THE ANIMALS SEND BOMB IN A PEOPLE INNOCENT.
USA ONLY START WARS FOR CONVENIENCE OR USURP RESOURCES OF OTHERS AND YOU COUNTRY COLONIAL OF BRITAINS IS EQUAL,ENGLAND USURP A LANDS IN THE ALL WORLD.
USA AND YOU COUNTRY COLONIAL OF PIG S PAY FOR ALL CRIMES,SURE IN THE NEXT THIRD WORLD WAR.
THE WORLD NEED CHANGES,THE WORLD NEE DLIBERTY,NO MORE OPPRESSION OF THE IMPERIALISM.
@Shers31 You sound like a U.S Democrat liberal politician..LOL..It was muslim thugs that flew planes into the twin towers in New York and killed nearly 3000 innocent civilians on 9/11/01. So don't give me your innocent people bullshit..
@blitzkreig052777 That exactly why America is screwed, once again. That attitude. Feeling inclined to force your ideology and politics on others who don't share them is what has made America so hated by so many. Anyone who doesn't share your beliefs are "the bad guys/embodiement of evil" you love to be able to point your fingers and say that. This is what has caused decades of pointless conflict which has achieved nothing. Beng a slave to Isreal is America's worse mistake.
@Wolfe2469 You actually make some points I can agree with. I don't think America should force its will on other countries. Japan started a war with us thats different. The use of the atomic bombs gave Japan a way to surrender while saving face. I also can't stand the UN or useless nations. I agree on Afghanistan also. However back to Japan. Japan was not winning the war not even close. The battle of midway on Japan was on the defensive.
@blitzkreig052777 It doesn' change the fact that using nuclear weapons is unacceptable. Unless America was willing to sacrifice millions of more soldiers just for the sake of winning the war it would have become a rout. "Saving face"? You make it sound like it was a favour on behalf of Japan by wiping out whole cities and killing hundreds of thousands in the long run in just two indivivual bombings (not including the bombing perforned all along Japan, including fire bombings)
@Wolfe2469 US military expenditure is 4.06% of gdp so by itself it is hardly "draining the country" - does it worry you that your country (Aus) does not have a nuclear deterrent program? - you can't depend on US govt - Obama will sell you in a second - why not defend your country with a small nuclear force as a counter threat to the growing Chinese military power? - Aus sells 30% of world's uranium yet it has domestic nuclear free policy and cashes in on huge uranium sales -
@kentamitchell Truman's other choices: compromise peace? j military retains power; p-lans Pacific War 2
Truman had other choices in the same type of reality. He could have given the Japanese half the US fleet and 6 months for the J to master it and also plans along with plutonium and uranium to create their choice of weapon. This MAD would have brought peace.
@kentamitchell Stimson said that as damage control after the fact. Before the bombs were dropped Stimson went to great lengths, and many agreed with him, that the least abhorrent choice was diplomacy and he believed making it clear the Japanese could keep their Emperor would greatly increase the chances of acceptance of Potsdam.
@blitzkreig052777 The Afganistan war is one of the most pointless conflicts imaginable. It can't even be called a war. All it is is a pointless waste of resources and more importantly people's lives. The collectiveness of the UN is discraceful and the sooner America collapses the better; as that would mean the UN would be severely crippled. Feeling like you need to defend Israel just becuase the Bible says Jews are god's chosen people is pathetic.
Yep...that LeMay was a smart man. He said the war would have been over anyway within weeks had the bombs not been dropped. It's kind of understandable why some were in such a hurry to drop them.
@1Dougy85 From LeMay's point of view, it would be- he figured that his job was destroying J cities & industrial production. What he didn't get was that Js military leadership was ready (in VAdm Onishi's words) to sacrafice 20 million lives to attain victory (saving their own hides)
A Professor of mine once showed a film w/ LeMay saying "the war is going to be over here by Oct". The Profs reply "Who was going to tell the millions of J troops dug in on the beach that the war is over?"
@kentamitchell LeMay was one of worst war criminals WW2 - he retrofitted his planes with napalm canisters and dropped them at night over civilian targets in Japan - he even said “There are no innocent civilians, so it doesn't bother me so much to be killing innocent bystanders." - maybe you should get a job with Al Quaeda terrorist organisation
@kentamitchell I think Le May knew more about the war that many today, he was probably right. What you don't get is that the Japanese leadership was not ready to sacrifice 20 million to attain victory. It was Onishi's words. Read about the different governments after Togo. Japan was in a struggle to end the war from that point and the peace faction was gaining with Hirohito's backing.
Your Prof maybe should have took up another profession. Hirohito was going to tell the troops of course.
Its so sad reading the amusingly shallow and narrowminded comments from uneducated American morons... no wonder your country is fucked. Its so terrible how ignorant morons like you dominate the English speaking world. Japan would never have been defeated if the Americans didn't stoop to such a low level of spinelessness. The Imperial Japanese army was completely merciless and fought and died well.
@Wolfe2469 I'm an American and consider myself to be fairly well educated. Japan would absolutely have lost that war with or without the use of the bombs. The overwhelming industrial capacity of the USA ( at that time anyway ) essentially guarenteed victory over any enemy. The Japanese made fine soldiers and were well disciplined and yes they fought to the death. I think it was horrible what happened but ultimately saved more lives than it took. Where are you from ? curious
@blitzkreig052777 The casualties which would have resulted from the near suicidal defense of the mainland would have made it futile unless the United Sates was willing to kill tens of millions of civilians. At the time of the dropping of the first atomic bomb Japan had over 6 million troops mobolised. Okinawa made it apparent that the Japanese weren't willing to surrender. Most in the military wished to fight to the death as a matter of honour, even if it meant they all died.
@blitzkreig052777 The cowardly decision to use atomic bombs was pathetic and spineless and was used due to frustration from starting to loose the war. America is the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons in combat and it is an unforgivable act.
As America's ability to force its ideology and politicics on others dimishests its great to see how the Japanese have undermined the American economy and now both China and Japan own trillions of US debt that will never be able to be payed off.
@Wolfe2469 ironic how China owes 8% and Japan 6.4% of US debt that's about $7,000 debt per capita which will never be paid off - or China or Japan could sell the debt at loss and force US into shattering recession with devalued USD - given the USA track record I don't see US becoming a banana republic - nope no way out of the mess except for another war - look out - it will be blamed on the terrorists or commies again -
@majorgeeek 15 trillion dollars worth and debt and counting isn't exactly something easy to pay back, especially considering that in order to that each citizen owes over $48,000 and the taxpayer owes over $135,000 of debt.
@Wolfe2469 Yes I meant to say China & Japan own not owe 8% & 6.4% of US debt which is $7,000 per capita as compared to overall per capita figure of $135,000-N the largest proportion of debt is with the Fed Res - considering US military budget is around $660 billion or 4.5 % of GDP - Prof JS Goldstein argues that If we do not pay the bill to defeat terrorism "a city like Chicago could be destroyed by a nuclear attack"
@majorgeeek The US military budget is riddiculous and is doing nothing but draining the country. "The bill to defeat terrorism" you loose all solid ground to stand on there if you say nothing but false idealistic political nonsense. All that you're doing with continual military conflict is making it worse and worse for yourselves. America asked for the terrorist attacks by harrasing other nations. The "war on terror" is nothing but paranoid political garbage like the cold war was.
@Wolfe2469 "loose (sic) the war" US forces had taken Okinawa 350 miles from Kyushu, US subs had cut off 90% of J imports & US B-29s had burned 40% of Js 60 largest cities.
Unforgiveable act? If Truman had not used the A bombs he (rightly) would've been impeached. It is tragic that the US did not develop & use atomic bombs a year sooner.
@Wolfe2469 TOO FUNNY! Name one battle J forces won v US forces in the last 30 months of the war. Japan still would have lost, but at HORRENDOUS cost. The US Navy's leadership wanted to blockade Japan indefinitely- until Japanese starved by the millions.
@Wolfe2469 How is it unacceptable to use nuclear weapons when they saved more lives on both sides in the long run. Japan wouldn't surrender, thats on them. They forced Truman's hand. So you go along with invasion and the deaths of far more Japanese. I'm more compassionate that you it appears. Invasion or nuke were the only options. you choose more death through invasion. Did the Japanese show mercy on the people they performed medical experiments on?
@blitzkreig052777 Who said America had to finish the war or invade? How is it compassionate to even suggest it was a good thing using nuclear weapons on people or that it was beneficial? One of the main reasons that the Americans used such spineless methods was becuase they were in a race against time to end the war the way they would have liked instead of having, in their opinion, an unsatisfactory end to the war after the Japanese had negotiated an agreement with the Soviets.
@Wolfe2469 So even if Japan had negotiated an agreement with the Soviets, Their biggest problem were the American bombers showing up in massive numbers over their major cities. Do you deny Japan could've spared itself what happened if it would've surrendered ? Japan's war was with America at that point not Russia. I'll be the 1st to say the bombing was horrible,... but it was needed
@1Dougy85 You're better than this, I know you are. How was the war going to come to an end without one or the other? Don't tell tell me Japan was going to win because then I know you're living in fair tale land
@grafittimania I'm American and I admit that our government solves its problems by force. A good 50 percent of us are fat , and sadly most of the stereotypes are true. But each country has some things there not proud of. The holocaust, dictatorships, communism, civil wars, and much more.
@Shers31 do you have any knowledge of world war two history at all? It seems like you're just running your yapper their buddy. My country the USA did not start that war but we finished it. Japan could have surrendered and spared themselves what happened. Many times more people both American and Japanese would have died had American ground forces been forced to invade. Are you from that cesspool Iran?
@blitzkreig052777 I think Shers is from South America. All the misspellings are standard "Spanglish," or trying to make a word in Spanish sound English. Goberment -> gobierno, etc.
Total - 150,000 to 246,000... and 430,000 dead due to radiation poisoning since then!
That's already 1/5 of all casualties (military and civilian) from both USA and Japan for ENTIRE span of WW2! Germany and other axis powers were effectively out of the war before the bombs were dropped... that would have concentrated all allied powers on Japan! So why would only US forces invade Japan?!
@Spetsop you obviously don't know your history or the fighting spirit of the Japanese. The Japanese absolutely would not surrender even though they knew the war was lost. Its accepted military fact that millions of Japanese would've been killed in mass gas attacks by the USA had we had to invade. The Russians would have been involved in invading Japan also if the war hadn't ended when it did. Operation Downfall had been well thought out and was planned on.
@blitzkreig052777 Yes but still, it's disgusting that the US would bomb Nagasaki after bombing Hiroshima too. It's kind of like kicking them when they're down. "Oh we have another bomb, let's just fire it on Japan again". Kinda.. heartless. But that's how the states is.
@draykore13ownsyou The Third bomb would have been ready to drop by August 20 but Truman called a stop to anymore because who could stand the thought of all those kids down there getting killed. I believe Hiroshima just happened to have some military in it though, but mostly civilians were killed. Nagasaki didn't need to happen. No one thought the fatman would be dropped that soon. Marshall said they should have been given more time after Hiroshima to discover what happened.
@draykore13ownsyou When Gen. Korchika Anami, member of the powerful Supreme Council for the Direction of the War (SCDW), was told that the destruction of Hiroshima was caused by a nuclear bomb said that he believed we only had the one.
Would Japan have surrendered when it did, after the Red Army invaded if the second bomb had NOT been used? Who knows? It had been left to the commanders in the field to decide when and where (Nagasaki wasn't even the primary target, after all).
@ImperialistRunningDo I don’t dispute your character description of Chaing, I read mainly about the Chinese US aspect of the war, but what you say about him fits somewhat with Chinese casualties of the war from Rummel. He is about the highest when it comes to Chinese total dead at 19 million and puts 3,081,000 military conscripts who died due mistreatment and 2,826,000 civilian deaths caused by Nationalist government. The Nationalists were not very nice me thinks.
@ImperialistRunningDo Here’s something you may not believe. The official account of the war says Nationalists fought in 22 major engagements, most of which involved more than 100,000 troops on both sides, 1,171 minor engagements most of which involved more than 50,000 troops on both sides, and 38,931 skirmishes.
National Chinese claim 1.3 million kia, 120,000 missing and 1.7 million wounded. A US study claims 1.5 kia, 750,000 missing and 3 million wounded.
@draykore13ownsyou I'll admit the second bomb may have been not needed. I do believe Truman also wanted to demonstrate to Stalin ( our uneasy friend still ) just how powerful the USA was by showing to the world that we have this tremendously powerful bomb and no one else does and that we'll use it. Essentially to intimidate the Russians who were getting to be just as bad a power as the NAZI's were. I know it was horrible and its a shame but it did end a very bloody war
@draykore13ownsyou did you forget Pearl Harbor the nukes were payback for that..attacking schools, churches, airfields, bases, and ships on a Sunday morning when everyone is going to church is disgusting too they deserved both bombs and they should have went ahead and bombed Tokyo like they planned to do......
@manansis86 So you would suggest that killing hundreds of thousands (mostly civilians) with the use of two bombs is fair retaliation for an attack which clamied around 3,000 lives, mostly military? As well as including all of the other Japanese civilians killed during the war by other bombings in Japan, that kind of doesn't add up in that regard. Its a good idea to remember also that the warwasn't just the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour and getting two atomic bombs dropped on them.
That "Many times more people both American and Japanese would have died" argument is pure bullshit. Britain was the country that wanted to continue carpet bombing of the entire cities during the war, while USA was calling for more strategic plans to bomb military and industrial establishments to spare civilian lives. So why target civilians all of a sudden? Because it would have cost more to transport troops and equipment. Sounds like 'fuck it' scenario.
@Spetsop "So why target civilians all of a sudden?" There was nothing sudden about it. When the USAAF 8th Air Force entered the war, they were very proud of their daylight precision bombing, using the Nordon bomb sight. It was supposed to be able to drop a bomb into a pickle barrel. But it came at a high price as unescorted bomber crews got shot down. There was an evolution from targeting military assets toward carpet bombing, as seen in Dresden.
@ImperialistRunningDo 1/20/45 LeMay took over from Hansell, who wasn't getting results with daytime high-alt formations carruying a dozen .50 cal, carrying HE bombs, hitting precision targets. L switched to night low alt w/o armament & w/o formations carrying napalm. Spectacular results.
@kentamitchell Agreed. A Nordon requires clear skies, which just wasn't happening. So we switched to radar-controlled bombing, which couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. But accuracy isn't as big a problem with napalm.
But the switch to carpet bombing happened before we were had airfields in the Marianas, according to "Retribution"
@ImperialistRunningDo A Norden required a lot more than clear skies to hit a target. The "pickle barrel" had to be a quarter of a mile in diameter in order for half of the formation to hit the target. When the USAAF went to Europe they tryed to do precision bombing but found they couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Even a very very big barn. LeMay started saturation bombing with only the lead planes useing their bombsight in a tightly backed formation.
"But it came at a high price as unescorted bomber crews got shot down." That was true at first, but it changed after the introduction of P-51 Mustang. Close to the end of the war bombers were not unescorted anymore. Mustangs were even sent out ahead of bombers to mop up the enemy fighters before they could even form up.
@ImperialistRunningDo I stand by my comment about calling Truman a Nazis since his nuclear holocaust of Japan's civilians is on par with Hitler's holocaust which you refused to properly debate - I note you began using words "fuck" and ad hominem comments before I began posting here and is more symptomatic aspect of your silly postings - just some of your comments "LaRouche", "tin foil hats", "can't you read", "woolly ass"," black helicopters" and "go fuck yourself "
Japan infantry kicked usa's ass so many times and then the COWARDS dropped two fking atomic bombs over civil population they wasn't soldiers just peacefull villagers to make them to surrender.Because americans are cowards and they can kill only civil population without weapons, because Japan army kicked their ass every time in honor battle.But what i can expect from 229 years country ;D with name united states of america this dont look like name....
@graffitimaniaaa that is also false, America was winning the war and was island jumping the Japanese, defeating them on their own turf and decimating them in naval combat as well.
the American's didn't drop the bombs to keep from losing, they dropped them to get a low-casualty victory and ensure their dominance in the pacific theater.
the Japanese soldiers were not as well trained and equipped as their American Counterparts, also they attacked us first, which is kinda bad of them...
wow, so many fucking idiots on this comment board....
look, war is bad, and if you guys would study history and try to learn maybe you would realize why USA dropped the bombs.
they didn't do it to be dicks, they did it to actually prevent American soldier casualties, because lets face it, if america invaded just as many innocent people would have died if not more, the only difference would be how long it took for Japan to surrender and how many American soldiers died.
@Atlittle104 Truman's administration was not concerned about saving Jap lives especially civilians as evidenced Japan's the nuclear holocaust - all estimates of US casualties in a land invasion were considered too high and prohibitive so the invasion became a myth - your implication that the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan was somehow altruistic and humanitarian towards the Japanese people requires urgent revision
@majorgeeek whether we invaded or not, dropping the bombs and forcing a Japanese surrender was the best way to prevent American casualties.
the Japanese killed American civilians during pearl harbor, they also killed countless civilians in the Raping of Nanking, that's war, it sucks but that kind of stuff happens.
@majorgeeek re-reading your comment, it seems you misunderstood my comment.
i was not implying the US government dropped bombs on Japan to preserve Japanese lives, they did so to prevent the need of a American invasion of the Japanese homeland, something that would have cost both America and Japan severely.
an invasion like that would have come with a ton of Japanese civilian casualties, so either way people were going to die.
@Atlittle104 the invasion of Japan was never going to happen anyway therefore that cannot logically be used as a valid reason for dropping nuclear bombs on civilians - it is a worn out tool of propaganda and not justification for mass murder - there were other options less severe, less controversial and more humanitarian than the nuclear attack option
i mean they didn't surrender after the first bomb, we had to drop 2 of them on them to force a surrender, i doubt anything less than nukes or an invasion would have stopped the Japanese.
anyway, it happened, war has been over for more than 50 years, not much we can do about it now.
@Atlittle104 US Strategic Bombing Survey report:" it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." - also Truman could have tried to negotiate a conditional surrender earlier but stalled the process by insisting on "unconditional surrender"
One word describes all americans and the word is COWARDS.Where is the honor in that?Atomic bomb over CIVlL POPULATION this men,women and children are not soldiers.And again where is the honor in this?Only a COWARS without honor can do such thing.......May god have mercy on your soul.
@graffitimaniaaa YES THE BASTARD YANQUEES A DAY PAY FOR THE CRIMES IN THE HISTORY.
ALL TIEME START WARS FOT THE CONVENIENCE.
WAR OF VIETNAM.(KIDS AND WOMANS INOCENT DIE)
THE COLD WAR.
IN 1970 FINCANCED THE GOBERNAMENT MILITARY WHIT DICTADORS IN SOUTHAMERICA ONLY FOR HAVE THE CONTROL OF REGION AND MUCH PEOPLE WHIT OTHER IDEOLOGY DISSAPEAR.
WAR OF IRAQ(MUCH KIDS AND WOMANDS INOCENT DIE)
WAR OF KUWAIT(FOR THE OIL)
AMD NOW START WHIT THE JUDIANS AND BRITAINS THE THIRD WORLD WAR.
YANQUEES BASTARDS ASSASAINS OF INNOCENT,IN THE HISTORY USA HAVE THE HANDS WHIT BLOOD.
THE WARS OF VIETNAM.
THE COLDWAR.
THE GOBERNEMENTS MILITARYS OF SOUTHAMERICA,USA FINCANCED THIS DICTADORS AND SEND ORDERS FOR HAVE THE CONTROL OF SOUTHAMERICA(MUCH PEOPLE DIE IN THE HAND OF DICTADORS)
THE WAR OF KUWAIT.
THE WAR OF IRAQ.
IN A POSSIBLE WAR USA DISSAPEAR WHIT A NUCLEAR BOMB.
IRAN,RUSSIA,CHINA,NORTH KOREA AND ALL SOUTHAMERICA VS USA,ENGLAND(PIGS USURPERS OF LAND) AND OTHERS.
@pacus123 The value I put on art isn't absolute. If I were given three targets -- a hospital, a nursery school and a museum -- and told that one HAD to be destroyed, I'd pick the museum. I wouldn't be happy about it.
But if you gave me a platoon of men and told me to protect the Louvre Museum from looters, I'd defend my post to my last breath. A museum of Thomas Kinkade originals? Sure, but I'd go in with a flame thrower. I'd feel I was doing humanity a favor.
@FunkyDoughnut its too bad you feel that way. But the fact is, when a country attacks us... we declare war on that country, not just their military. So don't fuck with us. Though I think the war in Afghanistan is unjust only because it was an organization that attacked and not the countries military...we should've went in with Special forces type units to attack the leaders of Al-qaida. But dropping the bomb here was absolutely justified.
MattsPolitics1 2 hours ago
FUCK AMERICANS think that they can just kill over 200'000 innocent people...
PunkyDoughnut 3 hours ago
@PunkyDoughnut The bomb saved not only American lives it saved Japanese lives. The amount of people who would have been killed in a ground invasion (Which is what was next had it not been for the Abomb) would have been far far more than the bomb killed. It would have been an absolute human slaughter. Japan was absolutely not the country they are today. They were rabid fanatical people willing to die for the Emperor.
If you were an infantry man this bomb saved your life.
roquefortfiles 1 hour ago
@PunkyDoughnut FYI Hiroshima was the headquarters of the Japanese 2nd General Army under AField Marshal Hata. 43,000 j troops were in the city & close to 20,000 died in the bombing.
kentamitchell 1 hour ago
The Japanese sent air balloons with bombs to the United States. Fortunately most of them landed in rural areas. The slanty eyed geniuses underestimated the size of the United States. The U.S. shouldn't have dropped one atomic bomb on Hirshima and one on Nagasaki. They should have dropped hundreds of atomic bombs on Tokyo. The Japanese deserve descendants mutated by atomic radiation. They never should have messed with Mother Green & Her Killing Machine.
Jefgg 1 day ago
@Jefgg I believe the Jap air balloons killed 2 people in the US which added to the 62 US civilians killed at Pearl Harbor totals 64 plus or minus a few hundred - compared to killing over 600,000 Jap civilians in nuclear and fire bombings attacks of Japanese cities - are you using a exponential or logarithmic equation?
majorgeeek 21 hours ago
@majorgeeek People died. Get over it. It was inevitable that nuclear warheads were going to be used on civilian targets because the world had never encountered that kind of devastation before. now that the world has seen over 100 nuclear detonations, the likelihood of another being detonated by a government of a developed country is nil to naught. that's war for you. even if you don't think you're involved, you still are.
sNiP3R0pTiX 20 hours ago
@sNiP3R0pTiX Hiroshima is the 1st modern instance of terrorist bombings of civilian populations using nuclear weapons - which the US have difficulty officially defining as both justified and a reason for Japan's surrender - means the USA has adopted the culture of terror and mass destruction ie ground zero delivering a level of shock and awe on the enemy by deliberate targeting civilians & obliterating cities has become standard operating procedure as also adopted by bin Laden
majorgeeek 19 hours ago
@majorgeeek
It wasn't terror. It ended a war that Japan refused to give up. And in fact, if you knew your history, it SAVED lives.
jjabroni56 10 hours ago
@jjabroni56
its the biggest terror ever , america is terrorist country even japan refused to give up this is not excuse to kill million of innocence people , they have no guilty in such bad war.
jordannet 3 hours ago
@jordannet they had no right coming into our country and killing thousands of our innocent soldiers who never did anything to them and bomb pearl harbor. When you kill innocent people, especially soldiers when you were the one to throw the first blow, you better expect life for your country will be half gone. do it again, your whole country will be..
701765 2 hours ago
@701765 japan was a completley diffrent country back then more lives would have been lost on on one side alone is the u.s would have invaded take a history class maybe
snickers763 8 minutes ago
this is cool men!!
killerassasin11 1 day ago
serouisly what the fuck. what the hell america.what the fuck was that. u think ur cool because u call kill 50,000 innocent people huh.fuckers
bobeatsme98 1 day ago
@bobeatsme98 Thank god they did. If they didn't we'd probably be slaves to a Communist Japan ruled world.
JKalama25799752 1 day ago
@JKalama25799752 well yea but they killed innocent lives who wern't part of the japanese army
bobeatsme98 1 day ago
the us army could at least bomb a dam military base!!!
Sheilabugler 2 days ago
@Sheilabugler Military base? Maybe we should have bombed a military headquarters then. Like the ones at Hiroshima.... The 2nd General Army Headquarters was in Hiroshima, as was the HQ for the 59th Army, as well as the 224th Division.
ImperialistRunningDo 2 days ago
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@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
manop98 2 days ago
What a sick people who did that...
MarSwanlake 2 days ago
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@MarSwanlake not really
manop98 2 days ago
@MarSwanlake usa. baddest country in world
artur4467 1 day ago
GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!1
Corleone2239 3 days ago
@Corleone2239 bless them for killing 60 000 innocent people.
TheViolentDino 3 days ago
@TheViolentDino Absolutely, this is America we like to kill anyone who doesn't do what we say.
Corleone2239 3 days ago
@TheViolentDino more like 200, 000 between Nagasaki and Hiroshima plus another 200,000 in Tokyo with conventional bombs.
Flamorgan 2 days ago
@Corleone2239 Of course he will not...
MarSwanlake 2 days ago
right! america shouldnt have dropped the bombs and invaded japan!.........worst idea ever. oh yea and the russians probably would have come in as well and turned it into a communist state.
manop98 3 days ago
@manop98 oh yes - let us all align ourselves to the propaganda fed masses who believe the atom bomb mass murders averted hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, women and children armed with bamboo sticks, pitch forks and chop sticks from mass murdering 1 million of our bravest marines
majorgeeek 3 days ago
@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
manop98 2 days ago
@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
manop98 2 days ago
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@majorgeeek actually yea u.s. casualties would have been huge. large amounts of japanese soldiers were stationed on the homeland. ever civillian was ready to fight and die. more of them would have died if u.s. invaded. also what about the russians? they would have loved to invade japan and make it communist.
manop98 2 days ago
It's only a war crime when anyone other than the UK, US or Israel does it.... remember that... World Politics 101...
MrSpemat 4 days ago
Mercy Pity Peace and Love.....
Despite advancements in Science, Americans seriously need to sit down and read literature to get to know about aforementioned values.
Revenge, War, Terrorist..........Cum on fellas where is Humanity.......
Urge for Peace from Pakistan..........
QayyumZafar 5 days ago
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Fucking heartless people, why so many HATE? Killing people as if they own their lives.... What will happen tomorrow if we need to unite to save the planet? who avoid man-made disasters? Please, we should learn from animals... Oh right, the only animal that deserves to be called "animal" is the man. Poor people who died and those who suffered or suffer the consequences..
MarSwanlake 5 days ago
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MarSwanlake 5 days ago
@qayyumzafar before the bombing leaflets were droped on the city instruting japanese residents to evacuate the city.
texaspete1957 5 days ago
@texaspete1957 Yes THANKYOU USA, coz that really helped by killing 50000 lives :(
Probably you guys didn't jot down the instructions in Japanese in those leaflets......Again its Japan's bad..........
QayyumZafar 5 days ago
@QayyumZafar u guys gonna apologiez about pearl harbor?
mitcheeel 5 days ago
Wouldn't it be funny if Iran did this to the US in the coming year or so? To save many many innocent Iranian young lives? Pathetic logic presented by all those who justify this bomb(s).
badger1211 6 days ago
@badger1211 Comments like these are pathetic. People cant seem to understand that the reason we dropped the bombs were to end the war. We dropped the bomb to save American lives, that would have been lost along with the same Japanese lives if we didnt drop the bombs. The 3 reasons of atomic bombs being used in war are:
1. Saving lives
2. Saving Time
3. Saving money
Yes, a lot of innocent women and children were killed, but they probably would have died anyways if we didnt dropthe bomb.
Cooldudeguy6 5 days ago
@Cooldudeguy6 Japan was beaten as early as Jan '45 but refused to accept the terms of Truman's "unconditional surrender" as per Potsdam - ironically after months of delaying Truman settled for the conditional surrender - the invasion of Japan by US ground forces was a myth because the estimated marine casualties was too high, it would have dragged out the war longer, prevented the planned nuclear attack and allowed the Russians to enter Japan following their August Storm victory
majorgeeek 5 days ago
@majorgeeek Oh, yes, the Walter Trohan fabrication about the "Macmemo". I have a suggestion, geekboy: why don't you call the archivists at the MacArthur museum in Norfolk, Virginia, and ask them about that? Why not indeed?
kentamitchell 5 days ago
@kentamitchell what Walter Trohan "fabrication" are you mumbling about now? - by the way didn't mummy tell you name calling is abusive and rude? apparently not ? - it is not my fault you support terrorist bombings,9/11, Hiroshima and the like, you even claim Truman should have "dropped more bombs" and done it "sooner" - sounds like you lack more than just mental hygiene
majorgeeek 4 days ago
@majorgeeek The fabrication Trohan published in the Chicago Tribune August 19, 1945 geekboy. Try calling the archives at the MacArthur Museum in Niorfolk, Va. (757-441-2965) I asked them about that 40 page memo Trohan claimed MacArthur forwarded to FDR.
I asked them about the story about ex-President Hoover asking MacArthur about the memo- MacArthur declined comment. (Because he knew that story made him look good to anyone gullible enough to believe it.)
kentamitchell 4 days ago
@kentamitchell next time you ring the museum don't ask for the "fabrication" - besides you who else said it was a "fabrication"?? - remember, an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence -
majorgeeek 3 days ago
@majorgeeek geekboy hits a NEW all-time LOW. I called the archivist @ the MacArthur museum & asked about the memo Trohan claimed that MacArthur senty to FDR 1/45. He told me that they've never been able to find any such memo- & that when ex-President Hoover enquired about the alledged memo's authenticity, MacArthur declined to comment.
"an absense of evidence is not evidence of absense"? Sorry, geekboy, you're off 180 degrees on that one.
kentamitchell 3 days ago
@kentamitchell actually you are doing a good job so far - all I can suggest to you at this stage is keep on looking for the memo - it should be somewhere in the CIA top secret storage, filed under "ultra embarrassing for President Truman" - just don't tell them you're from jihad
majorgeeek 1 day ago
@majorgeeek Uh-huh. The archivists at the MacArthur museum have been waiting for almost FIFTY YEARS for that memo to turn up.
Why didn't any Japanese war crimes defendant mention it? Hirohito lived til 1989- why didn't he mention it?
Why no British official mention?
Why no mention in MacArthur's memoirs- published in 1964? No mention in any of MacArthur's staff's memoirs? No mention in any MacArthur biography?
Got any explanations, geekboy?
kentamitchell 1 day ago
@kentamitchell the archivists should search the CIA
Trohan's front page story reveals more damning negligence of FDR and Truman stalling the surrender process and refusing to negotiate surrender with Japs
Why didn't Truman deny the article?
Why didn't the WH release a press statement?
Why didn't the newspapers retract the story?
How did Trohan acquire accurate and ultra top secret intel about Japan's surrender not privy to the public?
Why do you defend terrorism eg Hiroshima?
majorgeeek 22 hours ago
@majorgeeek "Why didn't Truman deny the article?
Why didn't the WH release a press statement?" Generally speaking, the White House does not issue denials or press releases on every accusation. There's an apocryphal story going around that once LBJ was running for office and wanted to accuse his opponent of ... ah ... being romantically attached to pigs. "Now Lyndon," his campaign manager said, "you know that ain't true."
"I know that," LBJ said, "I just want to hear him deny it.
ImperialistRunningDo 21 hours ago
@majorgeeek Sometimes it's just better to ignore things. The Press Secretary's job's to decide what's worth fighting for and what's not. By making a press statement, a local story gets national coverage (Remember, back in 45 a story that hits page 1 above the fold in Chicago could easily have no "legs" in New York or LA).
Even today... there's a rumor Obama's mother-in-law practices voodoo in the White House. Should the PotUS say something? Or is this just another LBJ-style pig-lover rumor?
ImperialistRunningDo 21 hours ago
@majorgeeek geekboy, the CIA wasn't founded til 1947. Please explain why REPUBLICAN Presidents (Ike, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 & 43 would not have released such a story. (Remember Bush 41 was once Director of the CIA)
Why don't you
1. look up Occam's razor
2. admit you bought Trohan's fabrication, and
3. STFU
kentamitchell 59 minutes ago
@majorgeeek Trohan's column claims that Japanese officials with the approval of the emporer made overatures to MacArthur. Care to NAME any of them geekboy?
kentamitchell 3 days ago
I wonder still people appreciate US for dropping Atomic bomb.............50,000 innocent lives........
Probably world would be safer place if it were bipolar (in hands of China and Japan)......Ever since world has gone unipolar (governed by US), it has seen utter devastation........
QayyumZafar 6 days ago
@QayyumZafar All life is innocent, even in war. It's until the corrupt distort those lives do we ever notice it. I for one wouldn't put "appreciate" as the word to use here; the word grateful I might even be hesitant to use. If the US never used the atomic bombs, the war would of had an extremely different outcome. The US might not even be around. I'm grateful for what happened but it is still very tragic to everyone.
LAMyth 6 days ago
@QayyumZafar Are you not forgetting Pearl Harbor? These were all innocent lives. Innocent soldiers, and civilians. We were not in a war yet, and then the Japanese dragged us into it. We dropped the bomb to end the war, not to kill the innocent.
Cooldudeguy6 5 days ago
@Cooldudeguy6 Read badger1211's comment please........
1. Someone kills 2402 people in Pearl harbour, You guys kill 5000 people.
2. Someone kills 3000 people in WTC , You guys invade Afghanistan, Iraq. Kill innocent children who have nothing to do with the war.
You would probably even justify torture in Guantanamo Bay.
QayyumZafar 5 days ago
@QayyumZafar 1. It wasnt to get revenge on them, it was to end the war.
2. We had to invade, it was an act of war. The terrorests hide there, we dont kill the children.
Gunatanamo Bay is for terrorests, you think they dont deserve it?
Cooldudeguy6 5 days ago
@QayyumZafar always remeber the 12 million innocent chinese killed by japan. They even dropped bubonic plague on them. China had the second highest casualty rate in ww2 second on to The Sviet Union
TheCriton 5 days ago
Plus japan didn't surrendered to the first atomic bomb.
sanpri02 6 days ago
I mean really.
Teaming up with Hitler trying to kill everyone and taking over the world killing other people in other countries really deserves a Atomic bomb to drop in Japan or Germany.
sanpri02 6 days ago
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@kentamitchell "nowhere near"? - the correct interpretation of the cables is Japan knew it was beaten, was searching for peace and attempting to negotiate surrender via the agency of Russia - following the Russian betrayal and the brilliant success of Soviet invasion August Storm which annihilated the last of Hirohito's reserves outside of Japan and forced his hand for urgent acceptance of the conditional surrender
majorgeeek 1 week ago
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majorgeeek 1 week ago
i agree with the bomb being used but couldnt they have used it on military bases or islands instead of citys
XxCYRAXANDERMACxX 1 week ago
@XxCYRAXANDERMACxX Maybe they should have used it on a major army base then. Oh, that was Hiroshima. NAVY base then. Oops, that's Nagasaki.
If we had a half-dozen of them, I'd agree with you. We had two. After the first one, Gen. Anami, felt that there was only enough uranium to make one. Other members of the cabinet were convinced that world opinion would stop the US from dropping a second. Others felt it didn't matter how many the US had, the Samurai spirit would prevail.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Hiroshima a "major army base"? - the population of Hiroshima before the bombing was 250,000 a pretty broad definition of army base - I assume there was also a army base in Coventry in WW2 - if Hitler had announced he had bombed "Coventry a major army base” in order to avoid the killing of civilians, I’m sure you’ll agree his characterization would be well and truly off.
Why not come clean and admit you support terrorism such as Hiroshima and 9/11
majorgeeek 1 week ago
Just think of how many lives would have been saved if the Japanese had the A bomb in 1941. The war would have been over right after it started.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@1Dougy85 Just think of many many lives would have been saved if the Americans took the hint when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@1Dougy85 Don't forget that from 1937 on, the japs were on a genocidal road trip across Asia. More lives would have been lost if they had nukes because they would have dropped them all over the place. Beijing, Shanghai, Nanking, Chongqing, Hanoi, Saigon, Singapore, tens of millions of people gone.
Meirstein 1 week ago
@Meirstein what if Japan "had nukes" concurrent with USA? maybe it would have secured earlier peace with less destruction of Japan? - prevented the Soviets taking Manchuria and maybe Japan and USA formed an alliance together with Kwantong Army, the atomic monopoly and Chiang's forces driven Moa's ass out of China - then today we wouldn'd be having all the problems with the Chinese & Korean communists - the Chinese would be like the Japs - eating hotdogs and watching baseball, utopia?
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@majorgeeek I would say nothing would really happen. We didn't test our first nuke until after all land operations against japan stopped, and we were just firebombing them at that point. Also, a post-war alliance with japan was completely unthinkable. In WWII, 1 in 3 Americans wanted to destroy japan completely as a nation. Plus, it's good that nukes were only used those two times and by only 1 nation. The world would be a much worse place if the nuclear bomb became an acceptable weapon.
Meirstein 1 week ago
@Meirstein "until after all land operations against Japan had stopped..."? Land battles were still going on in Burma, in the Philippines & in China 8/45; more were due to begin:Malaya 9/45; Kyushu 11/45
kentamitchell 6 days ago in playlist Hiroshima
@kentamitchell While we were still going on with small island operations in the Philippines, the major battles were all in late 1944, early 1945. The last major land operation by the US was Okinawa, that ended in June, a month before the first nuclear tests. While some were planned, the last ones conducted were done before Trinity (the first successful nuclear test).
Meirstein 6 days ago
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@Meirstein wrote "japs were on a genocidal road trip across Asia. More lives would have been lost if they had nukes because they would have dropped them all over the place. Beijing, Shanghai, Nanking, Chongqing, Hanoi, Saigon, Singapore, tens of millions of people gone" - as it turned out the USA beat the Japs to nuclear genocide.
majorgeeek 6 days ago
Truman - probably the most evil President in US history. directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of so many.
- Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic bombs - mass murderer of women, children and old civilians
- recognition of Israel
- interfering in Vietnam (leading to vietnam war)
- interfering in Korea (See Korea war)
- medical experiments on blacks in Tuskegee and Guatemalans
And this is not even a complete list of his crimes.
You should not be honoring or defending this man America ...
Communist2012 1 week ago
Truman said "The atom bomb was no "great decision." It was merely another powerful weapon in the arsenal of righteousness. We thank God that it has come to us, instead of to our enemies; and we pray that He may guide us to use it in His ways and for His purposes."
Communist2012 1 week ago
Estimates state up to 200,000 total had died by 1950 from burns, radiation and related disease. From 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 94 leukemia and 848 solid cancers.
Communist2012 1 week ago
@sneakerino And what do you base your judgment about Americans on? As an American I wish our government would stay out of the worlds buisness ...I could careless what happens in Iran or anywhere else for that matter, I just want to raise my family and grow old and die and be left the hell alone. And I think you would find that’s what most Americans want. I love my country, but hate and distrust the politicians, what they want and what most Americans want are two totally different things.
joshualvsjenny 1 week ago
@sneakerino Look... While it’s hard to believe from watching this those bombs saved thousands of lives on both sides. The U.S. faced an invasion of the Japanese mainland, estimated American casualties range anywhere from 220,000 – 500,000+, and that’s not counting the Japanese casualties. While I don’t believe nuclear weapons should ever be used again, in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings I firmly believe the saved way more lives than they took.
joshualvsjenny 1 week ago
Hey hey if you know about a bombing of the us (hypothetically XD) dont be like us and bomb the innocent or youll because most people i know don't support the bombing and think it was a horrible thing. the people posting mean comments are just a bunch of little scrubby back of the woods rednecks!
Booznstuff 1 week ago
4350 idiots like this
laki13ful 1 week ago 2
What a beautiful sight,seeing the uranium firing pin shoot down the tube & the "Atomic Beehives" start smashing into each other until you get the whitest energy ,as bright as staring into the sun & then?Most people did die from Radiation there are even pictures of mens shadows burned onto white concrete like the Tony Shaloub episode of x files.But the reason most deaths occur are from the percussion.Most bombs are detonated above ground for just that,more BANG FOR UR USELESS AMERICAN BUCK.?.SOS
ParrallelAxis 1 week ago
The NAZI empire US is going to pay soon !
barthoedemaker 1 week ago
this is fake
NationalPro 1 week ago
@NationalPro No duh! it wasnt supposed to make it look real. BBC was just giving you an accurate picture of what it was like
SKATEnWAKE 1 week ago
I do feel for the innocent women and children that were killed during that time though...hopefully this weapon will never be used again..
manansis86 1 week ago
@Shers31 What war is that moron,... where Israel smokes your muslim ass. Do you forget while Iran is trying to develop a bomb as in singular bomb Isarel already has roughly 200 ready to send your way. Islam has no respect for life you can't honestly say it does. go blow yourself up dude your existance is offensive to people who can think logically
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
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Shers31 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 I think this troll is from South America.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo WHY?I HAVE RIGHT FOR COMMENT HERE.
USA NEED PAY FOR THIS CRIMES!!ONLY THE ANIMALS SEND BOMB IN A PEOPLE INNOCENT.
USA ONLY START WARS FOR CONVENIENCE OR USURP RESOURCES OF OTHERS AND YOU COUNTRY COLONIAL OF BRITAINS IS EQUAL,ENGLAND USURP A LANDS IN THE ALL WORLD.
USA AND YOU COUNTRY COLONIAL OF PIG S PAY FOR ALL CRIMES,SURE IN THE NEXT THIRD WORLD WAR.
THE WORLD NEED CHANGES,THE WORLD NEE DLIBERTY,NO MORE OPPRESSION OF THE IMPERIALISM.
Shers31 1 week ago
@Shers31 they bombed our innocent sailors in pearl harbor...and germany told the japanees that we were gonna attack them.....
RUzzIAN69 1 week ago
@RUzzIAN69 pearl harbor was a false flag to justificate the a bomb drop
barthoedemaker 1 week ago
@barthoedemaker Stay on your medications and get yourself a new tinfoil hat!
kentamitchell 1 week ago
@Shers31 You sound like a U.S Democrat liberal politician..LOL..It was muslim thugs that flew planes into the twin towers in New York and killed nearly 3000 innocent civilians on 9/11/01. So don't give me your innocent people bullshit..
Bcroft39 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 That exactly why America is screwed, once again. That attitude. Feeling inclined to force your ideology and politics on others who don't share them is what has made America so hated by so many. Anyone who doesn't share your beliefs are "the bad guys/embodiement of evil" you love to be able to point your fingers and say that. This is what has caused decades of pointless conflict which has achieved nothing. Beng a slave to Isreal is America's worse mistake.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 You actually make some points I can agree with. I don't think America should force its will on other countries. Japan started a war with us thats different. The use of the atomic bombs gave Japan a way to surrender while saving face. I also can't stand the UN or useless nations. I agree on Afghanistan also. However back to Japan. Japan was not winning the war not even close. The battle of midway on Japan was on the defensive.
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 It doesn' change the fact that using nuclear weapons is unacceptable. Unless America was willing to sacrifice millions of more soldiers just for the sake of winning the war it would have become a rout. "Saving face"? You make it sound like it was a favour on behalf of Japan by wiping out whole cities and killing hundreds of thousands in the long run in just two indivivual bombings (not including the bombing perforned all along Japan, including fire bombings)
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 US military expenditure is 4.06% of gdp so by itself it is hardly "draining the country" - does it worry you that your country (Aus) does not have a nuclear deterrent program? - you can't depend on US govt - Obama will sell you in a second - why not defend your country with a small nuclear force as a counter threat to the growing Chinese military power? - Aus sells 30% of world's uranium yet it has domestic nuclear free policy and cashes in on huge uranium sales -
majorgeeek 1 week ago
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majorgeeek 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 Unacceptable? Says who? SecWar Stimson said it very well: the atomic bombs were our least abhorrent choice.
Truman's other choices: compromise peace? j military retains power; p-lans Pacific War 2
Invade? 240,734 died on Okinawa. Kyushu's garrison was x7 larger. Do the math.
Blockade? How many MILLIONS of j civilians (& 100,000 allied POWs) would've starved before 'god/boy' hirohito gave the order to surrender?
kentamitchell 1 week ago
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majorgeeek 1 week ago
@kentamitchell Stimson's "least abhorent choice" was unacceptable since Japan had been militarily defeated since June '45 (MacArthur)
Truman's conditional surrender after demanding unconditional surrender is a compromise
land invasion = myth - it would have prevented planned nuclear attack and allowed Soviets into Japan
blockade? Japan would have surrendered no later Nov '45 (US SB survey)
kentamitchell is ardent supporter "war terrorism" such as Hiroshima & 9/11
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@kentamitchell Truman's other choices: compromise peace? j military retains power; p-lans Pacific War 2
Truman had other choices in the same type of reality. He could have given the Japanese half the US fleet and 6 months for the J to master it and also plans along with plutonium and uranium to create their choice of weapon. This MAD would have brought peace.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@kentamitchell Stimson said that as damage control after the fact. Before the bombs were dropped Stimson went to great lengths, and many agreed with him, that the least abhorrent choice was diplomacy and he believed making it clear the Japanese could keep their Emperor would greatly increase the chances of acceptance of Potsdam.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@1Dougy85 I meant different governments after Tojo
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 The Afganistan war is one of the most pointless conflicts imaginable. It can't even be called a war. All it is is a pointless waste of resources and more importantly people's lives. The collectiveness of the UN is discraceful and the sooner America collapses the better; as that would mean the UN would be severely crippled. Feeling like you need to defend Israel just becuase the Bible says Jews are god's chosen people is pathetic.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
Yep...that LeMay was a smart man. He said the war would have been over anyway within weeks had the bombs not been dropped. It's kind of understandable why some were in such a hurry to drop them.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@1Dougy85 From LeMay's point of view, it would be- he figured that his job was destroying J cities & industrial production. What he didn't get was that Js military leadership was ready (in VAdm Onishi's words) to sacrafice 20 million lives to attain victory (saving their own hides)
A Professor of mine once showed a film w/ LeMay saying "the war is going to be over here by Oct". The Profs reply "Who was going to tell the millions of J troops dug in on the beach that the war is over?"
kentamitchell 1 week ago
@kentamitchell LeMay was one of worst war criminals WW2 - he retrofitted his planes with napalm canisters and dropped them at night over civilian targets in Japan - he even said “There are no innocent civilians, so it doesn't bother me so much to be killing innocent bystanders." - maybe you should get a job with Al Quaeda terrorist organisation
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@kentamitchell I think Le May knew more about the war that many today, he was probably right. What you don't get is that the Japanese leadership was not ready to sacrifice 20 million to attain victory. It was Onishi's words. Read about the different governments after Togo. Japan was in a struggle to end the war from that point and the peace faction was gaining with Hirohito's backing.
Your Prof maybe should have took up another profession. Hirohito was going to tell the troops of course.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
Its so sad reading the amusingly shallow and narrowminded comments from uneducated American morons... no wonder your country is fucked. Its so terrible how ignorant morons like you dominate the English speaking world. Japan would never have been defeated if the Americans didn't stoop to such a low level of spinelessness. The Imperial Japanese army was completely merciless and fought and died well.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 I'm an American and consider myself to be fairly well educated. Japan would absolutely have lost that war with or without the use of the bombs. The overwhelming industrial capacity of the USA ( at that time anyway ) essentially guarenteed victory over any enemy. The Japanese made fine soldiers and were well disciplined and yes they fought to the death. I think it was horrible what happened but ultimately saved more lives than it took. Where are you from ? curious
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 The casualties which would have resulted from the near suicidal defense of the mainland would have made it futile unless the United Sates was willing to kill tens of millions of civilians. At the time of the dropping of the first atomic bomb Japan had over 6 million troops mobolised. Okinawa made it apparent that the Japanese weren't willing to surrender. Most in the military wished to fight to the death as a matter of honour, even if it meant they all died.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 The cowardly decision to use atomic bombs was pathetic and spineless and was used due to frustration from starting to loose the war. America is the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons in combat and it is an unforgivable act.
As America's ability to force its ideology and politicics on others dimishests its great to see how the Japanese have undermined the American economy and now both China and Japan own trillions of US debt that will never be able to be payed off.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 ironic how China owes 8% and Japan 6.4% of US debt that's about $7,000 debt per capita which will never be paid off - or China or Japan could sell the debt at loss and force US into shattering recession with devalued USD - given the USA track record I don't see US becoming a banana republic - nope no way out of the mess except for another war - look out - it will be blamed on the terrorists or commies again -
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@majorgeeek 15 trillion dollars worth and debt and counting isn't exactly something easy to pay back, especially considering that in order to that each citizen owes over $48,000 and the taxpayer owes over $135,000 of debt.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 Yes I meant to say China & Japan own not owe 8% & 6.4% of US debt which is $7,000 per capita as compared to overall per capita figure of $135,000-N the largest proportion of debt is with the Fed Res - considering US military budget is around $660 billion or 4.5 % of GDP - Prof JS Goldstein argues that If we do not pay the bill to defeat terrorism "a city like Chicago could be destroyed by a nuclear attack"
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@majorgeeek The US military budget is riddiculous and is doing nothing but draining the country. "The bill to defeat terrorism" you loose all solid ground to stand on there if you say nothing but false idealistic political nonsense. All that you're doing with continual military conflict is making it worse and worse for yourselves. America asked for the terrorist attacks by harrasing other nations. The "war on terror" is nothing but paranoid political garbage like the cold war was.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 "loose (sic) the war" US forces had taken Okinawa 350 miles from Kyushu, US subs had cut off 90% of J imports & US B-29s had burned 40% of Js 60 largest cities.
Unforgiveable act? If Truman had not used the A bombs he (rightly) would've been impeached. It is tragic that the US did not develop & use atomic bombs a year sooner.
kentamitchell 1 week ago
@kentamitchell "If Truman had not used the A bombs he (rightly) would've been impeached."
LOL That is quite the prediction considering the republican senate was accusing Truman of prolonging the war.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 TOO FUNNY! Name one battle J forces won v US forces in the last 30 months of the war. Japan still would have lost, but at HORRENDOUS cost. The US Navy's leadership wanted to blockade Japan indefinitely- until Japanese starved by the millions.
kentamitchell 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 How is it unacceptable to use nuclear weapons when they saved more lives on both sides in the long run. Japan wouldn't surrender, thats on them. They forced Truman's hand. So you go along with invasion and the deaths of far more Japanese. I'm more compassionate that you it appears. Invasion or nuke were the only options. you choose more death through invasion. Did the Japanese show mercy on the people they performed medical experiments on?
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 Who said America had to finish the war or invade? How is it compassionate to even suggest it was a good thing using nuclear weapons on people or that it was beneficial? One of the main reasons that the Americans used such spineless methods was becuase they were in a race against time to end the war the way they would have liked instead of having, in their opinion, an unsatisfactory end to the war after the Japanese had negotiated an agreement with the Soviets.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@Wolfe2469 So even if Japan had negotiated an agreement with the Soviets, Their biggest problem were the American bombers showing up in massive numbers over their major cities. Do you deny Japan could've spared itself what happened if it would've surrendered ? Japan's war was with America at that point not Russia. I'll be the 1st to say the bombing was horrible,... but it was needed
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 Invasion or nuke were not the only options. Invasion wouldn't have happened.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@1Dougy85 You're better than this, I know you are. How was the war going to come to an end without one or the other? Don't tell tell me Japan was going to win because then I know you're living in fair tale land
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@grafittimania I'm American and I admit that our government solves its problems by force. A good 50 percent of us are fat , and sadly most of the stereotypes are true. But each country has some things there not proud of. The holocaust, dictatorships, communism, civil wars, and much more.
ChihuauhuaProduction 1 week ago
@Shers31 do you have any knowledge of world war two history at all? It seems like you're just running your yapper their buddy. My country the USA did not start that war but we finished it. Japan could have surrendered and spared themselves what happened. Many times more people both American and Japanese would have died had American ground forces been forced to invade. Are you from that cesspool Iran?
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 I think Shers is from South America. All the misspellings are standard "Spanglish," or trying to make a word in Spanish sound English. Goberment -> gobierno, etc.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777
90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima
60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki
Total - 150,000 to 246,000... and 430,000 dead due to radiation poisoning since then!
That's already 1/5 of all casualties (military and civilian) from both USA and Japan for ENTIRE span of WW2! Germany and other axis powers were effectively out of the war before the bombs were dropped... that would have concentrated all allied powers on Japan! So why would only US forces invade Japan?!
Spetsop 1 week ago
@Spetsop you obviously don't know your history or the fighting spirit of the Japanese. The Japanese absolutely would not surrender even though they knew the war was lost. Its accepted military fact that millions of Japanese would've been killed in mass gas attacks by the USA had we had to invade. The Russians would have been involved in invading Japan also if the war hadn't ended when it did. Operation Downfall had been well thought out and was planned on.
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777 Yes but still, it's disgusting that the US would bomb Nagasaki after bombing Hiroshima too. It's kind of like kicking them when they're down. "Oh we have another bomb, let's just fire it on Japan again". Kinda.. heartless. But that's how the states is.
draykore13ownsyou 1 week ago
@draykore13ownsyou The Third bomb would have been ready to drop by August 20 but Truman called a stop to anymore because who could stand the thought of all those kids down there getting killed. I believe Hiroshima just happened to have some military in it though, but mostly civilians were killed. Nagasaki didn't need to happen. No one thought the fatman would be dropped that soon. Marshall said they should have been given more time after Hiroshima to discover what happened.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@draykore13ownsyou When Gen. Korchika Anami, member of the powerful Supreme Council for the Direction of the War (SCDW), was told that the destruction of Hiroshima was caused by a nuclear bomb said that he believed we only had the one.
Would Japan have surrendered when it did, after the Red Army invaded if the second bomb had NOT been used? Who knows? It had been left to the commanders in the field to decide when and where (Nagasaki wasn't even the primary target, after all).
ImperialistRunningDo 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo I don’t dispute your character description of Chaing, I read mainly about the Chinese US aspect of the war, but what you say about him fits somewhat with Chinese casualties of the war from Rummel. He is about the highest when it comes to Chinese total dead at 19 million and puts 3,081,000 military conscripts who died due mistreatment and 2,826,000 civilian deaths caused by Nationalist government. The Nationalists were not very nice me thinks.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Here’s something you may not believe. The official account of the war says Nationalists fought in 22 major engagements, most of which involved more than 100,000 troops on both sides, 1,171 minor engagements most of which involved more than 50,000 troops on both sides, and 38,931 skirmishes.
National Chinese claim 1.3 million kia, 120,000 missing and 1.7 million wounded. A US study claims 1.5 kia, 750,000 missing and 3 million wounded.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Japanese recorded (in China)1.1 to 1.9 million of their own causalties, d, w, m with 480,000 of that kia.
Nationalists and Communists claimed to have killed up to 1.77 million Japanese soldiers.
Someone is way out in their counting?
Do they ever agree on anything?
Japanese say 50,000 killed in Nanking, Chinese claim 300,000 killed at Nanking.
Who to believe?
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@draykore13ownsyou I'll admit the second bomb may have been not needed. I do believe Truman also wanted to demonstrate to Stalin ( our uneasy friend still ) just how powerful the USA was by showing to the world that we have this tremendously powerful bomb and no one else does and that we'll use it. Essentially to intimidate the Russians who were getting to be just as bad a power as the NAZI's were. I know it was horrible and its a shame but it did end a very bloody war
blitzkreig052777 1 week ago
@draykore13ownsyou did you forget Pearl Harbor the nukes were payback for that..attacking schools, churches, airfields, bases, and ships on a Sunday morning when everyone is going to church is disgusting too they deserved both bombs and they should have went ahead and bombed Tokyo like they planned to do......
manansis86 1 week ago
@manansis86 So you would suggest that killing hundreds of thousands (mostly civilians) with the use of two bombs is fair retaliation for an attack which clamied around 3,000 lives, mostly military? As well as including all of the other Japanese civilians killed during the war by other bombings in Japan, that kind of doesn't add up in that regard. Its a good idea to remember also that the warwasn't just the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour and getting two atomic bombs dropped on them.
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
@blitzkreig052777
That "Many times more people both American and Japanese would have died" argument is pure bullshit. Britain was the country that wanted to continue carpet bombing of the entire cities during the war, while USA was calling for more strategic plans to bomb military and industrial establishments to spare civilian lives. So why target civilians all of a sudden? Because it would have cost more to transport troops and equipment. Sounds like 'fuck it' scenario.
Spetsop 1 week ago
@Spetsop "So why target civilians all of a sudden?" There was nothing sudden about it. When the USAAF 8th Air Force entered the war, they were very proud of their daylight precision bombing, using the Nordon bomb sight. It was supposed to be able to drop a bomb into a pickle barrel. But it came at a high price as unescorted bomber crews got shot down. There was an evolution from targeting military assets toward carpet bombing, as seen in Dresden.
Not a change I agree with.
ImperialistRunningDo 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo 1/20/45 LeMay took over from Hansell, who wasn't getting results with daytime high-alt formations carruying a dozen .50 cal, carrying HE bombs, hitting precision targets. L switched to night low alt w/o armament & w/o formations carrying napalm. Spectacular results.
kentamitchell 1 week ago
@kentamitchell Agreed. A Nordon requires clear skies, which just wasn't happening. So we switched to radar-controlled bombing, which couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. But accuracy isn't as big a problem with napalm.
But the switch to carpet bombing happened before we were had airfields in the Marianas, according to "Retribution"
ImperialistRunningDo 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo A Norden required a lot more than clear skies to hit a target. The "pickle barrel" had to be a quarter of a mile in diameter in order for half of the formation to hit the target. When the USAAF went to Europe they tryed to do precision bombing but found they couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Even a very very big barn. LeMay started saturation bombing with only the lead planes useing their bombsight in a tightly backed formation.
1Dougy85 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo
"But it came at a high price as unescorted bomber crews got shot down." That was true at first, but it changed after the introduction of P-51 Mustang. Close to the end of the war bombers were not unescorted anymore. Mustangs were even sent out ahead of bombers to mop up the enemy fighters before they could even form up.
Spetsop 1 week ago
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Shers31 1 week ago
@Shers31 First of all, I don't like talking to people who use such horrible grammar and insist on using the caps lock.
If you instead based your opinions on proof and reason instead of who's font is bigger, I might try to have a conversation with you.
Atlittle104 1 week ago
@Atlittle104 you no have more excuse for justified the crime of you country in the war.
you country kill inocent kids and womans in the wars.
now you country need start a other wars vs iran for usurp the oil,caution usa you play whit fire.
now you enjoy you life tomorrow you dreams is destroyed.
usa receive a lesson of iran?i need look this.
Shers31 1 week ago
@ImperialistRunningDo I stand by my comment about calling Truman a Nazis since his nuclear holocaust of Japan's civilians is on par with Hitler's holocaust which you refused to properly debate - I note you began using words "fuck" and ad hominem comments before I began posting here and is more symptomatic aspect of your silly postings - just some of your comments "LaRouche", "tin foil hats", "can't you read", "woolly ass"," black helicopters" and "go fuck yourself "
majorgeeek 1 week ago
Japan infantry kicked usa's ass so many times and then the COWARDS dropped two fking atomic bombs over civil population they wasn't soldiers just peacefull villagers to make them to surrender.Because americans are cowards and they can kill only civil population without weapons, because Japan army kicked their ass every time in honor battle.But what i can expect from 229 years country ;D with name united states of america this dont look like name....
graffitimaniaaa 1 week ago
@graffitimaniaaa that is also false, America was winning the war and was island jumping the Japanese, defeating them on their own turf and decimating them in naval combat as well.
the American's didn't drop the bombs to keep from losing, they dropped them to get a low-casualty victory and ensure their dominance in the pacific theater.
the Japanese soldiers were not as well trained and equipped as their American Counterparts, also they attacked us first, which is kinda bad of them...
Atlittle104 1 week ago
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logan0178 1 week ago
@graffitimaniaaa America is an immature little brat compared to Japan... its good that China and Japan are set to dominate
Wolfe2469 1 week ago
wow, so many fucking idiots on this comment board....
look, war is bad, and if you guys would study history and try to learn maybe you would realize why USA dropped the bombs.
they didn't do it to be dicks, they did it to actually prevent American soldier casualties, because lets face it, if america invaded just as many innocent people would have died if not more, the only difference would be how long it took for Japan to surrender and how many American soldiers died.
Atlittle104 1 week ago
@Atlittle104 Truman's administration was not concerned about saving Jap lives especially civilians as evidenced Japan's the nuclear holocaust - all estimates of US casualties in a land invasion were considered too high and prohibitive so the invasion became a myth - your implication that the US dropped atomic bombs on Japan was somehow altruistic and humanitarian towards the Japanese people requires urgent revision
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@majorgeeek whether we invaded or not, dropping the bombs and forcing a Japanese surrender was the best way to prevent American casualties.
the Japanese killed American civilians during pearl harbor, they also killed countless civilians in the Raping of Nanking, that's war, it sucks but that kind of stuff happens.
Atlittle104 1 week ago
@majorgeeek re-reading your comment, it seems you misunderstood my comment.
i was not implying the US government dropped bombs on Japan to preserve Japanese lives, they did so to prevent the need of a American invasion of the Japanese homeland, something that would have cost both America and Japan severely.
an invasion like that would have come with a ton of Japanese civilian casualties, so either way people were going to die.
Atlittle104 1 week ago
@Atlittle104 the invasion of Japan was never going to happen anyway therefore that cannot logically be used as a valid reason for dropping nuclear bombs on civilians - it is a worn out tool of propaganda and not justification for mass murder - there were other options less severe, less controversial and more humanitarian than the nuclear attack option
majorgeeek 1 week ago
@majorgeeek like what?
i mean they didn't surrender after the first bomb, we had to drop 2 of them on them to force a surrender, i doubt anything less than nukes or an invasion would have stopped the Japanese.
anyway, it happened, war has been over for more than 50 years, not much we can do about it now.
Atlittle104 1 week ago
@Atlittle104 US Strategic Bombing Survey report:" it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated." - also Truman could have tried to negotiate a conditional surrender earlier but stalled the process by insisting on "unconditional surrender"
majorgeeek 1 week ago
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1Dougy85 1 week ago
One word describes all americans and the word is COWARDS.Where is the honor in that?Atomic bomb over CIVlL POPULATION this men,women and children are not soldiers.And again where is the honor in this?Only a COWARS without honor can do such thing.......May god have mercy on your soul.
graffitimaniaaa 1 week ago
@graffitimaniaaa YES THE BASTARD YANQUEES A DAY PAY FOR THE CRIMES IN THE HISTORY.
ALL TIEME START WARS FOT THE CONVENIENCE.
WAR OF VIETNAM.(KIDS AND WOMANS INOCENT DIE)
THE COLD WAR.
IN 1970 FINCANCED THE GOBERNAMENT MILITARY WHIT DICTADORS IN SOUTHAMERICA ONLY FOR HAVE THE CONTROL OF REGION AND MUCH PEOPLE WHIT OTHER IDEOLOGY DISSAPEAR.
WAR OF IRAQ(MUCH KIDS AND WOMANDS INOCENT DIE)
WAR OF KUWAIT(FOR THE OIL)
AMD NOW START WHIT THE JUDIANS AND BRITAINS THE THIRD WORLD WAR.
Shers31 1 week ago
YANQUEES BASTARDS ASSASAINS OF INNOCENT,IN THE HISTORY USA HAVE THE HANDS WHIT BLOOD.
THE WARS OF VIETNAM.
THE COLDWAR.
THE GOBERNEMENTS MILITARYS OF SOUTHAMERICA,USA FINCANCED THIS DICTADORS AND SEND ORDERS FOR HAVE THE CONTROL OF SOUTHAMERICA(MUCH PEOPLE DIE IN THE HAND OF DICTADORS)
THE WAR OF KUWAIT.
THE WAR OF IRAQ.
IN A POSSIBLE WAR USA DISSAPEAR WHIT A NUCLEAR BOMB.
IRAN,RUSSIA,CHINA,NORTH KOREA AND ALL SOUTHAMERICA VS USA,ENGLAND(PIGS USURPERS OF LAND) AND OTHERS.
RESULT=USA LOOSE
Shers31 1 week ago
@pacus123 The value I put on art isn't absolute. If I were given three targets -- a hospital, a nursery school and a museum -- and told that one HAD to be destroyed, I'd pick the museum. I wouldn't be happy about it.
But if you gave me a platoon of men and told me to protect the Louvre Museum from looters, I'd defend my post to my last breath. A museum of Thomas Kinkade originals? Sure, but I'd go in with a flame thrower. I'd feel I was doing humanity a favor.