It doesn't matter what rules a campus has on guns, a psycho is going to take one and shoot people up anyway. Why not allow people to protect themselves?
The argument is always "well what's to stop a person from shooting you back if you carry?" the answer is "nothing". If a person doesn't accept the possibility of dying or being maimed by a crazy fucknut in an SD shooting, they should leave the gun at home. I'm one guy, and my life in exchange for saving 30 is an acceptable loss.
During the VT massacre, in the first room that the gunman attacked, if even one other person in the room had had a gun, you could argue there wouldn't have been a bloodbath at all.
ooh dont bullcrap. they're telling me that NONE of the teachers conceal weapons on campus?? yeah and people dont have sex in the army. the teachers are obviously older than the students and it stands to reason that the older generation is more pro guns than anti guns??
they had warning signs in both cases and did nothing.these massacres only happen in so called gun free zones.You dont see this happening at a gun show because they know they'd get 1 shot off and be brought down.Its called evening up the odds of survival.That said I think gun shows should be banned because you have no way of knowing who your selling to
@ranchai100 lol what did the shooter do to himself? wait let me guess, he shot himself? do you think he would've cared if there would've been students with guns?
@Darusdei probably not,my point is had 1 of the students had a gun and knew how to use it,the body count would have been alot lower.a few years ago a man walked into a church,opened fire and killed the pastor,but an armed guard working there took him down and instead of many parishioners being killed only 1 was,which is still to many in my estimation.
@Darusdei not if the legal gun owner is properly trained.again I reiterate that all these mass shootings have taken place in so called gun free zones where the killer knows they can do the most damage because no one has the fire power to stop them.You dont see these things happen at gun shows do you?No,because the lunatic knows they will be taken out in a second.
@Darusdei Yes I do,not in the sence that they are afraid if dieing,but in the fact that they want a place where the can achieve the highest body count,and gun free zones allow that for these lunatics.Gun shows or other places where guns are legally carried reduce this possibility,therefore reduce the risk of a massacre happening
@Darusdei if your refering to fort hood,the attack happened in an area where guns were not permitted,where service men and women stopped before going to the armoury,or just relaxed before or after shift.The shooter purposly targeted this area because he knew they would be unarmed,which is why it took awhile for backup to arrive and he was taken down.On most military bases,unless your in training or are an MP,you are not armed
@Darusdei You misunderstood.he attacked a place on the base where the men and woman were not armed,I believe he had every intention of dieing that day because he knew that sooner or later help would come.My point is he didnt attack armed MP's,he attacked the unarmed.That part of the base was known as a gun free zone.
@Darusdei again you misunderstand,the rec area where the gunman walked into was a gun free zone,there were no MPs because I guess they didnt think they needed them there in that area
I'm saying that ten soldiers and two civilians were killed and thirty-one wounded in the attack. I'm also saying that it wasn't an MP that took him down, it was a female POLICE OFFICER.
I didn't prove any point of yours because you don't have one. You're right, I haven't served. But it also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if his 43 victims were all armed he wouldn't have killed/injured as many people.
@Darusdei We should just be more warry of muslims in the military. Instead of this PC/EO policy we have in the Army. If his chain of command had filed a complaint against him it would have been "Racist". Guilty or not those things go on your record. My PL had a compaint against him, it was totally false. Our platoon sergeant just didn't do his job and slept on mission... all the time.
@gtp77 It's only bases here in the country where that kind of crap happens. Overseas, if you don't have your rifle, you're fucking dead, just as you put it. But in the homeland, eh, well, they wanna feel comfortable at home and shit like that. Oh well.
@Darusdei "Do you think that these people are afraid that someone might have a gun?
and no one would try that in a gunshow because there is lots of guns? lol that's just pathetic..."
No, he thinks that even if those people try to start shooting at a gun show, it won't matter if they are afraid of getting shot or not, because they are going to get shot either way- and nobody else will get shot. You seem to be missing that logic.
Not so sure I would want to have my name out in the public as carrying. Makes you a target for theft and other issues. That is sort of the reason behind concealed carry, doesn't draw attention. More guns does not mean more blood, more guns in the proper hands mean bye bye bad guy.
0:37 he is shooting low left = slapping the trigger. I did that when I first started shooting. He seems pretty uncomfortable with his gun in this video, plus its not compact gun at all, just that much harder to conceal in such a public place.
@lookitcrashed Would you not be uncomfortable with a camera crew following you around and taping over your shoulder while you are shooting? I tend to be very uncomfortable anytime is watching over my shoulder, especially when I am shooting. I make them stand off to the side so I can see what they are doing.
My college doesn't allow me to carry. It is a gun-free zone. However I don't see security guards, the doors don't lock at night, and girls have been assaulted AT NIGHT INSIDE BUILDINGS ON CAMPUS!!!!
Its SNAFU people. Here in NZ the coroner just suggested banning Semi Autos after a drugged up nutter Jan Molennar shot a couple of UNarmed Police Officers dead when they knocked on his door knowing he had weapons inside, that he had mental prbs, that his license had been revoked years ago and that he was illegally holding those firearms. Something tells me this was yet again a case of the Police no doing their job, but everyone seems to think the problem is law abiding gun owners. go figure
"who wants to see another blood bath?" Umm... nobody, and the best way to prevent one is allowing mature young adults to carry concealed weapons on college campuses.
I swear that theres not going to be any dumbass walking into that school planning to kill everyone. He will get aced.
Best way to prevent these kind of attacks is to arm the people of the united states of america. Its been our right since a long time ago. Why take it away? All these stupid laws only hurt the law abiding citizens because the ones who are coming to kill you are not going to abide these laws. Even out the stakes, makes things more fair for everyone.
The college students in Utah are much safer than those who lost their lives at Virginia Tech. It's impossible to know what is in another person's mind, and if this person has an ill-conceived plan to harm others.
I believe in being able to carry a weapon for protection. What people don't understand is that most times those who want to harm us carry a weapon illegally just for that purpose. We just want the colleges to recognize our rights and allow those who carry with permit to on campus without restrictions. Why? Because we are responsible citizens, and those who aren't don't care whether is allowed or not.
The last part is ridiculous. More than guns students and teachers should arm them selves with skills to identify a crazy person. Who knows when someone is going to snap, I would rather have a gun then when the do snap you could defend yourself from them.
You are precisely right, my friend. These people think you can absolutely 100% predict when every life or death situation is going to arise. There are some instances where you probably can. But there are other instances where you almost certainly cannot. THOSE are the situations when being armed is useful.
@IWASGIJOE Actually, people do not "just snap". There are enough warning signs that it should never get to the point where a disturbed person is armed and dangerous. VT and the more recent shooting in Arizona are two cases where the shooter was known to have some issues. VT's shooter should not legally have been able to purchase weapons in the first place.
I am a college student and I would carry a pistol if I could, to have more options than cowering under a desk when somebody shoots at me.
@nova0052 Cowering under a desk? Fuck that. I'm a college student on the way to becoming a college English professor and if I hear gunfire coming from outside, I'm gonna camp right next to the door with my folding knife in my hand ready to take the motherfucker down who wants to kill me and my friends, or die trying.
I shall not have my epitaph read, "Here lies a pussy." I'd rather it read, "Here lies a man who refused to be a victim."
if i seen someone shooting innocent civilians, and i had a gun i would have NO problem killing them at all. there would be no emotional block to worry about in a situation like that.
you still have to go through all the steps to get a concealed permit, you cant just carry a gun in. why go through all that hassle if you just wanted to bring a gun in and go crazy/ you dont need a permit to do that.
i keep guns in my home and it makes me feel much safer
On the other hand if you don't have a gun someone is more likely to shoot you. Britain has no guns (except for criminal)... you can't even keep people from invading Europe to "seek asylum". Whats the best way to invade and take over Europe? Just show up.
If you look at the news articles in America, you will see that people will shoot you for taking 5 seconds to get your wallet instead of 1 second.
My sister's best friend was carjacked at gunpoint once, if only she had a gun.
why cant people understand the people shooting other people are criminals. They DO NOT abide by laws like getting a permit to LEGALLY carry a gun............ they are not going to just start shooting someone. how many people with a conceal carry permit have run around shooting people at random? none, only criminals who wont take the time to pay the money for the permit because law is nothing to them.
"these people (criminals) are not stupid, they plan these attacks where they know law abiding citizens will not be able to fight back. Student and professors should be allowed to carry concealed weapons if nothing else than to leave these people with the impression that they will be met with resistance. No matter what is done tragedies like VT will occur and all we can do is reduce the frequency, popularity, and damage of them."
@spartan177saber: I understand your point, and your position concerning carry permits. However, what troubles me is why the government insists on taking away a Right we've had all along, and selling this Right back to us in the form of a permit? Will ALL fundamental rights become as this in the future? Will we have to obtain permission from the state to speak our minds, or to practice our privacy?
mrjames2000 do you see where your logic is failing??? The guy whos going to kill you will be armed and will be breaking the law. Does he care??? NO! Why should you not be aloud to carry a weapon around for self defense?
Also think about it like this, take it a step further, what do you think would be easier mentally for the average inexperienced killer? beating a man t death with his own fists, or shooting down a man in a fighter plane in an f-22? Or even hiring somebody to kill a man? i mean they arent the best examples in the world, but the point comes across that its obviously easier to kill someone, especially in the heat of the moment, when less human contact is involved
I so sick of liberals idiots who think Honest people will cause more violence even though we CHL people are 14% less likely then the average joe to commit a crime.. Yet they rather put their trust in the criminal to not kill them who has the full intentions to take as many people out as possible. See like people are losing commonsense everyday.
"Who wants to see another bloodbath?" Huh?! Are you kidding me?! You must be living in the old west. A huge percentage of friendly, polite and friendly people in my county has a CFP, but I have yet to see a "bloodbath".
a gun makes it easier. A human doesnt have a chance against a bullet to the head, and a gun detaches you from the crime, making it easier to commit. stabbing a person is a very personal act, making it harder to do, emotionally. Also, a few man can prevent 1 guy with a knife from going on a spree. With a gun, 1 man can take an entire school down
thats sooooo wrong, guns do not detach you from the crime, you still have to watch your targets head pop like a water mellon, or their innards evicerated all over the place, obviously you have never shot and killed somone.
...The brains and guts fly out AFTER you have shot someone, when its too late to "scare" you off if thats what your implying. Pulling the trigger of a gun is much easier of a task emotionally then taking a knife to someone. a knife is much more personal, which is harder on the emotions. And i dont mean it completely detaches you, but obviously one is much easier to do then the other.
and their innards will spill AFTER u give them a gigantique abdominal incision, may b its my combat experiance but i dont really see the diffrence in blowing somone away at point blank range and stabbing somone. hell the stabbing would be a lot cleaner and less visually disturbing imo. Was there some kind of study done to support this? im not trying to be an asshole im genuinely interested just because of my own experiances.
Well its kindof common knowlage. i mean killing someone with a knife is kinda the same idea as killing somone with your bare hands emotionally. Your ending their life with your own force, rather then a forign force such as a gun. With a gun all you have to do is pulla trigger, which decociates yourself from the act of the kill, the bullet does the rest. But with a knife, you are the force behind that knife, at very close range i might add, thats killing the man
BULLSHIT. I don't know if you've ever done it or not but once you have, that "emotional detachment" you think comes with pulling a trigger is going to kick you right in the balls. You'll be seeing that man's face in your mind for the rest of your life.
Killing is killing - one way or the other it doesn't matter. All that matters is that MY GOVERNMENT doesn't prevent me from having the tools to keep me and my family alive. THAT'S IT. The rest is all bullshit.
No, your completely right about that, but in the moment the act of pulling a trigger would be easier phycologically then actully physically sticking a knife into him. Also, pulling a trigger can occur in an instant, and sometimes people can kill someone before thinking about it. Physically killing someone requires determination and time, so by the time youve killed the person you have had plenty of time to think about it
Let me just ask you this - have you ever killed a man? I'm not looking for blustering, bragging bullshit - HONESTLY, have you ever ended another human's life?
No, i havent. but it doesnt take a killer to know that cutting a man to pieces with a knife or beating him to death with your fists requires much more willpower and human to human contact, which takes much determination to the point that your dead set on killing someone, its more an act of passion on killing one person. A gun makes a kill quick to the point where all those elements dont always have time to cross someones mind. a gun dehumanizes things.
I have killed a man. I shot him. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You don't know the rush of emotions that come when you feel your finger putting pressure on the trigger. Regardless of the fact that you've fired thousands of rounds at paper and steel in your life - there is NO emotional detachment. You have NO idea how hard it is to put that last half pound of pressure down.
IM talking more about a massacre situation then killing a guy. Do you think the columbine guys had trouble shooting all the people they killed? But i dont think you can argue that guns make it easier mentaly compared to the alternative of watching a man die slowly as you pummel his face into the ground
No, the Columbine guys didn't. That's the point. They don't care one way or the other. If they had to have poisoned the school's food and watched everyone go into anaphylactic shock - they wouldn't have cared.
And yes, I can argue that guns don't make it "Mentally easier" - that's what I was JUST talking about. There is NO difference. In fact, beating him to death would be easier since halfway through adrenaline and fog have taken over. That's what "Manslaughter" is all about.
There is no dehumanization. That only occurs in EVIL people - like those that go on shooting sprees.
A gun is simply an equalizer - It makes small as powerful as a large and old as powerful as young. This, by itself, is neither good nor evil. It's the PERSON that matters.
Having made the decision to take another life does NOT make a "Kill quick". The person on a killing spree has already dehumanized his targets - the TOOL DOESN'T MATTER.
i totally agree, but im discussing more of in the event of a massacre, while i think personal protection is a good thing, there isnt always a way to tell which is a responsible person and who is an "evil" person. And allowing guns in schools will allow those evil people to walk around with them, which i dont need to explain why that a good idea.
And your probably going to say that everyone can hasve a gun so they can be stopped before things get out of hand. But as you said earlier, its Very hard emotionally to kill someone, especially for someone with absolutely no experiance doing so. You also said that evil people can do it with no issues at all. By these two factors, its safe to say that an evil kid could do quite a bit of damage before he finally got shot.
Man, the evil people ALREADY walk around with them. Get it? Criminals break the law.
And yes, allowing people to carry a weapon will allow those murderers to be STOPPED sooner than begging the police to come and save you.
And by these two factors it is difficult for a decent human being to pull the trigger on another person. Guess what you've missed? I STILL DID IT. I stopped him. It sucked but I did it. So tell me why people shouldn't be "allowed" to have, at least, that opportunity.
And while, compared to the alternative, there might be a little less damage compared to the situation as it is now, i think people overlook the point. Is the solution really more guns for less killings? i think thats stupid. I think the answr is tightr security. Putting guns in the hands of more people also can cause much more unforseen problms, such as makng it easier for guns to get in the hands of kids. Acidents are always going to happen, why give more people the tools to possibly create one
To carry a handgun you have to pass an FBI background check, have no history of mental illness, and can't be a drunk or a drug addict. Out of all of the gun murders in the US, almost none of them were commited by a handgun carry permit holder. Permit holders are the safest and most law abiding citizens there are.
@lanJackes are you serious?? Does your logic makes sense? Come on man use your head! You're saying that we would be allowing evil persons to have guns at school. The thing is that, allowing them or not would make no difference. They would still bring the guns to school if they so much feel like it. Like someone said earlier, a gun is an equalizer. Your argument and logic is terrible. You're are just scared of guns in general. I suggest you take a little coarse on guns to ease the fear.
I doubt Cho Seung Dipshit would have killed upwards of 30 people if some other students who weren't crazy were allowed to pack heat to class. Think about it liberals.....
Of course if a bad person was not allowed to purchase guns, he would find it pretty difficult to go on a school knifing instead of a school shooting lol.
So instead of a body count of 20, he might get to knife say 2.
Sure guns don't kill, but they sure help. Beats killing someone with a stick anyhow.
I am all for gun rights, but I want more policies to restrict them for ex-felons, ex-convicts, and mentally unstable people.
dude, you cant stop an evil person from getting his hands on a gun. All these laws only affect the law abiding citizens. The criminals could give a shit about the laws. Think about it.
So what do the anti-gunners say to the fact that if just one or two nearby students had been carrying, the kill count might have been like 4, including the shooter?
They preach using knowledge as the weapon, as in knowing when to spot these things, etc... what a joke. Even if you saw a student you thought was troubled, then one day thought he had a gun, what are we gonna start doing, having school lockdowns and have a student stripped of his rights and privacy due to one paranoid teacher?
Guns do not kill people. PERIOD. How the hell it's going to work when nobody has their fingers on the trigger? What do you expect, a self-operating handgun mounted on a turret mount? PREPOSTEROUS!
Right on. Guns are allowed most everywhere else, why not on campus? There could be a small number of accidents possibly, but it would balance out when gunmen are no longer able to kill large numbers of students who can't defend themselves.
They make you take a phsycological evaluation in most states when you carry a concealed weapon. i think it is a great idea. People who think concealing weapons on campus are ignorant."yeah lets all get gunned down like helpless rabbits because i dont wanna be protected because guns are SCARY!" If they approve it in washington i will get a concealed weapons permit for campus's
Here in indiana, when you aplied for a concealment permit you had to write a letter specifiying exactly why you needed that license but for a long time we dont need that anymore, when i did mine, i just had to fill out paper work, give finger prints, and my background check takes 7 weeks and i should be getting it near the end of may
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a public right to keep arms . What happened to the BEAR portion ? To "BEAR" equals "CARRY" about you or your person . Do we NOT have that right as put fourth in the 2nd 24/7 ? A well armed public is a polite public . Bad guys fear being shot by guns just as much as joe pubic . When will man take on in court that "BEAR" issue . If defended right . No state could bar you from your right to "carry / bear" arms in ANY place . I carry ALL my other rights 24/7 !
What we have isn't a firearm problem, its a liberal one. Bleeding heart liberals mean well, but they believe so many things that just aren't true. They scorn and hate the truth with fervor...
NC needs to definitely get in on this. Unfortunately, though NC votes conservatively on the federal level, we vote liberally on the state level. Thus, our elected state officials are liberal in their views on this issue and will unreasonably reject to our safety at school!
Damn- can you imagine if a few of those kids or the professor had a handgun on the day of the VT massacre?
Things would have surely gone differently that day, and at least those who might have died would have been able to do so defending their life and their peers.
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Whats gonna happen if someone gets mad at someone else, now instead of them getting into a fist fight, ones gonna pull there gun on the other, and then his friends will pull there guns and then it will be a blood bath all over again
you're speaking in rationalities of those individuals being psychotic, you can speak of that scenario but to actually do it is a whole new story, to pull a a gun intended to administer deadly force on the basis of rage is a pinnacle of standard psychosis, read Dr. Michael Stone's (a criminologist and pyschologist) levels of evil, you'd learn quite a bit from it
Man, I love this argument by the anti-gunners. We debated this in class one day, and they are said this shit. "People will get mad and pull guns on each other." Oh really? Why does this not happen in everyday life where many people are carrying concealed. That rarely if ever has happened that two CCW people get pissed off and shoot each other, so why would it happen regularly at a school campus? Its just a weak "What if..." by the anti gun people.
Yeah, be glad you deleted that Phoenixx45. It was retarded. But Ill answer it anyway. Youve got to understand that people that get CCW permits go through an 8 hour class, are 21 or over, and submit their fingerprints to the FBI. Now CCW holders commit very few crimes, but no, they are not perfect and are human like everyone else. But a "What if.." situation that has no basis in fact is not a reason to disarm the responsible citizens that go through the process. The criminals will still carry.
mainly because of the ignorant black guy who at the time i can guarantee wishes someone else had a gun to shoot Cho before he went on a massacre but doesn't wanna admit it because he's ignorant. . .
Fact: After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of more than eighty semesters, none of these eleven schools have seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft.
for all these people who think they are safer without guns on campus ask yourself what your gonna do if heaven forbid something terrible happens again and your stuck in a classroom without ANY sort of protection. ask yourself what you would do if that person ducking down 2 feet from you did not bring their weapon today of all days not to bring it cause other people think they will be safer. when the person could have dropped that person right there in their tracks or let them go on a rampage???
I moved from Delaware to Utah 7 months ago and I can tell you , there is a marked difference in young adults here. They are very mature and I have yet to see the "tuff guy" attitude that was so prevelant back east. I do believe you should protect yourself (I have a CC permit) but a lot of twenty year olds aren't mature enough to handle their rage. What to do? Something has to be done but what? Maybe a group of armed students that pass a psych test? Just arming teachers? Armed guards?
Warning signs my butt. Now we'll have 1/4 people forced into counseling because paranoid students and faculty, or those with a grudge, will voice "concern". The fundamental flaw with everyone's reasoning here is that there are warning signs that can be spotted before the event. It's easy to say they had a problem after the fact. I've carried for some time, and if it's done anything, it's made me more level headed and cautious.
I've bee preaching this to my friends and I will continue to do s on here! Gun laws only affect LAW ABIDING citizens. Criminals get them anyway! Criminals fear armed citizens MUCH MORE than they do police or laws! Do some research and you'l see it for yourself! I just applied for my CCW yesterday. And wen I get it I will be armed everywhere I can be!
Any law-abiding citizen should be allowed to carry a handgun.
More security cameras? Better trained police? It's all a smokescreen. In reality, the only option is to hide under your desk and pray that the crazed gunman doesn't blow your head off.
Agreed. It seems like if one meets the state's age requirements, and has an absolutely spotless record, he or she should be permitted to carry on campus. I'd say that, along with a more age-specific CCW course would help ensure those that get a permit are:
1) Responsible individuals
2) Aware of the legal consequenses for brandishing, or using a weapon to gain leverage or escalate an argument, etc.
Plus, the training that is required in most states usually fortify an understanding of the magnitude of carrying a lethal weapon. I'd be willing to bet that many ex-cops who may have had to gun down suspects train students, relaying to them that you should be %100 that you have no other practical or logical alternative before taking human life.
Bottom line? CCW's aren't stupid. Like police, they'll only shoot if they absolutely HAVE to.
yes sit. They're not just a bunch of gun weilding manics. What the media never has time to explain [yeah right:) ] that these people have to train, and to keep their license, they have to re-take the course yearly. And, most of them go to shooting ranges, and shoot very often, and are familiar with their weapon.
Exactly. What a lot of people don't understand is that those who have a concealed carry permit are far less likely to commit any kind of crime. It's also a fact that people with concealed carry permits shoot their weapons more often than police officers. Police re-certify yearly, we shoot at the range for fun several times a month (for the most part)
definately. As soon as I can carry, I will. And 99% of the people interviewed, have no experiance with firearms. They know only of what the media tells them. Guns=Bad.
Highly untrue. Most people seem to think that guns are only killing machines, and don't know of rifle or pistol matches people shoot. Grr.
Aw well, its nice when you're among knowing people.
ClassicFHD, I bet they were praying someone or some teacher had a gun to stop it. The cops didn't stop it, they waited outside "forming a plan". By the time they went in, it was too late, as usual.
I think all law abiding citizens should have the right to carry any place they feel it necessary.
The anti-gun hype is way too overblown.
The stats on the CDC website section on mortality rates showed in 2005 only 19,000 fatalities were from murders (all forms including non-gun related), but deaths from heart disease and cancer was over 1 million!
Kinda puts it in perspective doesn't it?
We should concentrate on what's REALLY killing us.
If everyone was armed none of these shootings would happen.
Glockmaster22 2 weeks ago
It doesn't matter what rules a campus has on guns, a psycho is going to take one and shoot people up anyway. Why not allow people to protect themselves?
Gun= violence is like pencils= bad grades..
TheMadCrumpet 2 months ago
my rights dont stop at your door
ForTheRepubl1c 3 months ago 2
The argument is always "well what's to stop a person from shooting you back if you carry?" the answer is "nothing". If a person doesn't accept the possibility of dying or being maimed by a crazy fucknut in an SD shooting, they should leave the gun at home. I'm one guy, and my life in exchange for saving 30 is an acceptable loss.
Christopher71488 3 months ago 2
"I don't want to see another blood bath"
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During the VT massacre, in the first room that the gunman attacked, if even one other person in the room had had a gun, you could argue there wouldn't have been a bloodbath at all.
StupidIdiot12345 4 months ago
just carry it anyway. fuck the government stealing our freedoms and inalienable rights from us, the ones who fight, bleed, and die for them.
ArmedOkie 6 months ago 2
ooh dont bullcrap. they're telling me that NONE of the teachers conceal weapons on campus?? yeah and people dont have sex in the army. the teachers are obviously older than the students and it stands to reason that the older generation is more pro guns than anti guns??
jimmyhoffa9 6 months ago
Looking for warning signs isn't going to stop a mass murderer. Sending a .40 180 grain hp through his sternum will.
gaozhi2007 7 months ago
Correction, Male police officer named Mark Todd
xRapidDavex 1 year ago
they had warning signs in both cases and did nothing.these massacres only happen in so called gun free zones.You dont see this happening at a gun show because they know they'd get 1 shot off and be brought down.Its called evening up the odds of survival.That said I think gun shows should be banned because you have no way of knowing who your selling to
ranchai100 1 year ago
@ranchai100 lol what did the shooter do to himself? wait let me guess, he shot himself? do you think he would've cared if there would've been students with guns?
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei probably not,my point is had 1 of the students had a gun and knew how to use it,the body count would have been alot lower.a few years ago a man walked into a church,opened fire and killed the pastor,but an armed guard working there took him down and instead of many parishioners being killed only 1 was,which is still to many in my estimation.
ranchai100 1 year ago
@ranchai100 and if it doesnt end quickly and police or others with guns get mixed up in this.
quickly you have a situation with alot more guns and alot more wounded and dead
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei not if the legal gun owner is properly trained.again I reiterate that all these mass shootings have taken place in so called gun free zones where the killer knows they can do the most damage because no one has the fire power to stop them.You dont see these things happen at gun shows do you?No,because the lunatic knows they will be taken out in a second.
ranchai100 1 year ago
@ranchai100 Do you think that these people are afraid that someone might have a gun?
and no one would try that in a gunshow because there is lots of guns? lol that's just pathetic...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei Yes I do,not in the sence that they are afraid if dieing,but in the fact that they want a place where the can achieve the highest body count,and gun free zones allow that for these lunatics.Gun shows or other places where guns are legally carried reduce this possibility,therefore reduce the risk of a massacre happening
ranchai100 1 year ago
@Darusdei Also,every massacre has occured in a gun free zone,not in a place where legally owned guns are known to be carried
ranchai100 1 year ago
@ranchai100 So i guess one u.s. military base is also a gun free zone? give me a fucking break with that bullshit...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei if your refering to fort hood,the attack happened in an area where guns were not permitted,where service men and women stopped before going to the armoury,or just relaxed before or after shift.The shooter purposly targeted this area because he knew they would be unarmed,which is why it took awhile for backup to arrive and he was taken down.On most military bases,unless your in training or are an MP,you are not armed
ranchai100 1 year ago
@ranchai100 he targeted a place which has loads of armed military police? yeah exactly...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei You misunderstood.he attacked a place on the base where the men and woman were not armed,I believe he had every intention of dieing that day because he knew that sooner or later help would come.My point is he didnt attack armed MP's,he attacked the unarmed.That part of the base was known as a gun free zone.
ranchai100 1 year ago
@ranchai100 there is no place in a military base where an mp wouldnt be armed
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei again you misunderstand,the rec area where the gunman walked into was a gun free zone,there were no MPs because I guess they didnt think they needed them there in that area
ranchai100 1 year ago
@ranchai100 i doubt that...
Darusdei 1 year ago
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ranchai100 1 year ago
@Darusdei
Then you clearly haven't done your research.
google "fort hood attack gun free zone" and start reading.
xRapidDavex 1 year ago
@xRapidDavex Are you saying that military police wont carry guns on that zone? i doubt that VERY much...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei
I'm saying that ten soldiers and two civilians were killed and thirty-one wounded in the attack. I'm also saying that it wasn't an MP that took him down, it was a female POLICE OFFICER.
Stop being a retard, you've lost this debate.
xRapidDavex 1 year ago
@xRapidDavex you just proved my point.
do you think this wouldn't had happened if all the soldiers on the base would've carried loaded weapons?
lol, it's pretty clear that you havent served in anything even similar to a military...
Darusdei 1 year ago
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@Darusdei
I didn't prove any point of yours because you don't have one. You're right, I haven't served. But it also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if his 43 victims were all armed he wouldn't have killed/injured as many people.
xRapidDavex 1 year ago
@Darusdei We should just be more warry of muslims in the military. Instead of this PC/EO policy we have in the Army. If his chain of command had filed a complaint against him it would have been "Racist". Guilty or not those things go on your record. My PL had a compaint against him, it was totally false. Our platoon sergeant just didn't do his job and slept on mission... all the time.
thehotshirtguy2008 11 months ago
@xRapidDavex try joining up and then come back telling me it would be a brilliant idea to have everyone armed at the base.
there are perfectly good reasons for the strict control (and this is done in virtually EVERY western military)
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei
not in the canadian military. you leave your rifle youre fucking dead. never had an on-base killing.
gtp77 1 year ago
@gtp77 are u saying that canadian soldiers are walking in the base with loaded weapons ?
i seriously doubt that
Darusdei 1 year ago
@gtp77 Except in Afghanistan...
zeppelinesque 11 months ago
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not confirmed
gtp77 11 months ago
@gtp77 It's only bases here in the country where that kind of crap happens. Overseas, if you don't have your rifle, you're fucking dead, just as you put it. But in the homeland, eh, well, they wanna feel comfortable at home and shit like that. Oh well.
TheWitnesserer 8 months ago
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@Darusdei "Do you think that these people are afraid that someone might have a gun?
and no one would try that in a gunshow because there is lots of guns? lol that's just pathetic..."
No, he thinks that even if those people try to start shooting at a gun show, it won't matter if they are afraid of getting shot or not, because they are going to get shot either way- and nobody else will get shot. You seem to be missing that logic.
StupidIdiot12345 4 months ago
Not so sure I would want to have my name out in the public as carrying. Makes you a target for theft and other issues. That is sort of the reason behind concealed carry, doesn't draw attention. More guns does not mean more blood, more guns in the proper hands mean bye bye bad guy.
drumminshooter 1 year ago
he doesn't want to see another blood bath? CCW holders are there to prevent the blood bath from ever happening.
sillydillydokieo 1 year ago
terrance is one dummy nigger
sillydillydokieo 1 year ago
0:37 he is shooting low left = slapping the trigger. I did that when I first started shooting. He seems pretty uncomfortable with his gun in this video, plus its not compact gun at all, just that much harder to conceal in such a public place.
lookitcrashed 1 year ago
@lookitcrashed that's not the point of this video...
majestytd 1 year ago
@majestytd well the point of my comment was that they are interviewing someone that doesn't look like they know what they are doing.
lookitcrashed 1 year ago
@lookitcrashed Would you not be uncomfortable with a camera crew following you around and taping over your shoulder while you are shooting? I tend to be very uncomfortable anytime is watching over my shoulder, especially when I am shooting. I make them stand off to the side so I can see what they are doing.
drumminshooter 1 year ago
My college doesn't allow me to carry. It is a gun-free zone. However I don't see security guards, the doors don't lock at night, and girls have been assaulted AT NIGHT INSIDE BUILDINGS ON CAMPUS!!!!
Gun-free zone = FISH IN A BARREL.
spartanprepper 1 year ago
Its SNAFU people. Here in NZ the coroner just suggested banning Semi Autos after a drugged up nutter Jan Molennar shot a couple of UNarmed Police Officers dead when they knocked on his door knowing he had weapons inside, that he had mental prbs, that his license had been revoked years ago and that he was illegally holding those firearms. Something tells me this was yet again a case of the Police no doing their job, but everyone seems to think the problem is law abiding gun owners. go figure
ginjaninja1988 1 year ago
Very bad piece. Gun free zone is life free zone
beaubicknese 1 year ago
What a morons! No wondering why ABC is down the toilet.
nick10463 1 year ago
"who wants to see another blood bath?" Umm... nobody, and the best way to prevent one is allowing mature young adults to carry concealed weapons on college campuses.
djg093 1 year ago
Wrong. Utah is not the only state that allows students to carry guns on public campuses. Indiana allows it. Do your research morons.
twieneke76 1 year ago
hate abc news they gun control news
theomen10101 1 year ago
I swear that theres not going to be any dumbass walking into that school planning to kill everyone. He will get aced.
Best way to prevent these kind of attacks is to arm the people of the united states of america. Its been our right since a long time ago. Why take it away? All these stupid laws only hurt the law abiding citizens because the ones who are coming to kill you are not going to abide these laws. Even out the stakes, makes things more fair for everyone.
Origin305 1 year ago
The college students in Utah are much safer than those who lost their lives at Virginia Tech. It's impossible to know what is in another person's mind, and if this person has an ill-conceived plan to harm others.
joe80dman 2 years ago
Why dont they just use knifes i mean you can still throw knives and someone.
nivekiohc 2 years ago
i kinda see the point but carrying a gun it's just too much.. a knife it's enough for self defence
brokenherz 2 years ago
Have you ever used a knife for self defense? It's not very easy.
Mikevdog 1 year ago 4
I believe in being able to carry a weapon for protection. What people don't understand is that most times those who want to harm us carry a weapon illegally just for that purpose. We just want the colleges to recognize our rights and allow those who carry with permit to on campus without restrictions. Why? Because we are responsible citizens, and those who aren't don't care whether is allowed or not.
x3mj 2 years ago
The last part is ridiculous. More than guns students and teachers should arm them selves with skills to identify a crazy person. Who knows when someone is going to snap, I would rather have a gun then when the do snap you could defend yourself from them.
IWASGIJOE 2 years ago 5
@ IWASGIJOE:
You are precisely right, my friend. These people think you can absolutely 100% predict when every life or death situation is going to arise. There are some instances where you probably can. But there are other instances where you almost certainly cannot. THOSE are the situations when being armed is useful.
iamdeafzed6 2 years ago
@IWASGIJOE Actually, people do not "just snap". There are enough warning signs that it should never get to the point where a disturbed person is armed and dangerous. VT and the more recent shooting in Arizona are two cases where the shooter was known to have some issues. VT's shooter should not legally have been able to purchase weapons in the first place.
I am a college student and I would carry a pistol if I could, to have more options than cowering under a desk when somebody shoots at me.
nova0052 11 months ago
@nova0052 Cowering under a desk? Fuck that. I'm a college student on the way to becoming a college English professor and if I hear gunfire coming from outside, I'm gonna camp right next to the door with my folding knife in my hand ready to take the motherfucker down who wants to kill me and my friends, or die trying.
I shall not have my epitaph read, "Here lies a pussy." I'd rather it read, "Here lies a man who refused to be a victim."
TheWitnesserer 8 months ago
if i seen someone shooting innocent civilians, and i had a gun i would have NO problem killing them at all. there would be no emotional block to worry about in a situation like that.
you still have to go through all the steps to get a concealed permit, you cant just carry a gun in. why go through all that hassle if you just wanted to bring a gun in and go crazy/ you dont need a permit to do that.
i keep guns in my home and it makes me feel much safer
250mav 2 years ago 4
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There is something wrong with American society, if university students think that to be safe they have to always carry a concealed weapon.
If you carry a gun your more likely to shoot someone.
mrjamest2000 2 years ago
On the other hand if you don't have a gun someone is more likely to shoot you. Britain has no guns (except for criminal)... you can't even keep people from invading Europe to "seek asylum". Whats the best way to invade and take over Europe? Just show up.
If you look at the news articles in America, you will see that people will shoot you for taking 5 seconds to get your wallet instead of 1 second.
My sister's best friend was carjacked at gunpoint once, if only she had a gun.
zlzgrom86 2 years ago
Yet by 2020 the most spoken language in America will be Spanish.
University students shouldn't carry weapons around with them. I have no problem with having a weapon at home.
mrjamest2000 2 years ago
but not all bad things happen when you are at home
zlzgrom86 2 years ago
why cant people understand the people shooting other people are criminals. They DO NOT abide by laws like getting a permit to LEGALLY carry a gun............ they are not going to just start shooting someone. how many people with a conceal carry permit have run around shooting people at random? none, only criminals who wont take the time to pay the money for the permit because law is nothing to them.
spartan177saber 2 years ago
Having weapons on a campus is extremely strange, why cant you see that?
mrjamest2000 2 years ago
a firearm is only a weapon in the hands of a criminal. Permit holders carry firearms, not weapons.
So you dont think police should not be allowed on campus? cause remember all guns are bad and all people who carry them are criminals right?
spartan177saber 2 years ago 9
"these people (criminals) are not stupid, they plan these attacks where they know law abiding citizens will not be able to fight back. Student and professors should be allowed to carry concealed weapons if nothing else than to leave these people with the impression that they will be met with resistance. No matter what is done tragedies like VT will occur and all we can do is reduce the frequency, popularity, and damage of them."
Alan Luboniecki
If you cant understand this you are a moron....
spartan177saber 2 years ago
Sure, we all know there are no criminals on campuses.
Mikevdog 1 year ago
Campus police have guns. Is that strange?
Mikevdog 1 year ago
if you disagree with the 2nd amendment maybe you should leave the country and go to europe?
Origin305 1 year ago 2
@spartan177saber: I understand your point, and your position concerning carry permits. However, what troubles me is why the government insists on taking away a Right we've had all along, and selling this Right back to us in the form of a permit? Will ALL fundamental rights become as this in the future? Will we have to obtain permission from the state to speak our minds, or to practice our privacy?
joe80dman 2 years ago 2
I could not have said it better myself.
Keep 'em in the ten range.
guns4good 1 year ago
Why have a gun at home only? Is that the only place you might need it?
Mikevdog 1 year ago
mrjames2000 do you see where your logic is failing??? The guy whos going to kill you will be armed and will be breaking the law. Does he care??? NO! Why should you not be aloud to carry a weapon around for self defense?
Origin305 1 year ago
well not to wish u bad but if she had had a gun probably she would get shot before drawing it
in those cases it's better to just give ur stuff unless the attaker's purpose it's to acctualy hurt you
brokenherz 2 years ago
Fuck Garrett Evans. Nothing is wrong with killing people if the right people are dying.
chicagofireworks 2 years ago
Their main counter-argument: "I'm tired of people fearing god."
herbalchicken 2 years ago
Also think about it like this, take it a step further, what do you think would be easier mentally for the average inexperienced killer? beating a man t death with his own fists, or shooting down a man in a fighter plane in an f-22? Or even hiring somebody to kill a man? i mean they arent the best examples in the world, but the point comes across that its obviously easier to kill someone, especially in the heat of the moment, when less human contact is involved
IanJackes 2 years ago
I so sick of liberals idiots who think Honest people will cause more violence even though we CHL people are 14% less likely then the average joe to commit a crime.. Yet they rather put their trust in the criminal to not kill them who has the full intentions to take as many people out as possible. See like people are losing commonsense everyday.
zack9912000 2 years ago 3
I don't want to see another bloodbath either. That's why armed students and faculty would make campuses safer.
jroberts7387 2 years ago 3
"Who wants to see another bloodbath?" Huh?! Are you kidding me?! You must be living in the old west. A huge percentage of friendly, polite and friendly people in my county has a CFP, but I have yet to see a "bloodbath".
ParaSam45 2 years ago 2
I swear, you will never find a more brainwashed group of liberal morons than on a college campus.
leatherneck2044 2 years ago 26
Amen! Couldn't have said it better myself!
jroberts7387 2 years ago
@leatherneck2044 try california, new york, and new jersey!!!
sandelpop 1 year ago
Lol, good one ; )
C6H6drinker 2 years ago
so are they gonna ban pencils from public schools?
you can stab people in the eye and stuff
are you going to ban wrists, they can be used to punch, use knives
is the user that is bad, not the gun
as long as the holders are trained, have long background checks, and are not mental and stuff, i think its ok
but what would be better is that the teachers have guns, maby vests
so in an attack
a teacher takes the guy down, saves the day
bestSVMS 2 years ago 2
a gun makes it easier. A human doesnt have a chance against a bullet to the head, and a gun detaches you from the crime, making it easier to commit. stabbing a person is a very personal act, making it harder to do, emotionally. Also, a few man can prevent 1 guy with a knife from going on a spree. With a gun, 1 man can take an entire school down
IanJackes 2 years ago
thats sooooo wrong, guns do not detach you from the crime, you still have to watch your targets head pop like a water mellon, or their innards evicerated all over the place, obviously you have never shot and killed somone.
evilEKegg 2 years ago
...The brains and guts fly out AFTER you have shot someone, when its too late to "scare" you off if thats what your implying. Pulling the trigger of a gun is much easier of a task emotionally then taking a knife to someone. a knife is much more personal, which is harder on the emotions. And i dont mean it completely detaches you, but obviously one is much easier to do then the other.
IanJackes 2 years ago
and their innards will spill AFTER u give them a gigantique abdominal incision, may b its my combat experiance but i dont really see the diffrence in blowing somone away at point blank range and stabbing somone. hell the stabbing would be a lot cleaner and less visually disturbing imo. Was there some kind of study done to support this? im not trying to be an asshole im genuinely interested just because of my own experiances.
evilEKegg 2 years ago
Well its kindof common knowlage. i mean killing someone with a knife is kinda the same idea as killing somone with your bare hands emotionally. Your ending their life with your own force, rather then a forign force such as a gun. With a gun all you have to do is pulla trigger, which decociates yourself from the act of the kill, the bullet does the rest. But with a knife, you are the force behind that knife, at very close range i might add, thats killing the man
IanJackes 2 years ago
BULLSHIT. I don't know if you've ever done it or not but once you have, that "emotional detachment" you think comes with pulling a trigger is going to kick you right in the balls. You'll be seeing that man's face in your mind for the rest of your life.
Killing is killing - one way or the other it doesn't matter. All that matters is that MY GOVERNMENT doesn't prevent me from having the tools to keep me and my family alive. THAT'S IT. The rest is all bullshit.
Zen5012 2 years ago
No, your completely right about that, but in the moment the act of pulling a trigger would be easier phycologically then actully physically sticking a knife into him. Also, pulling a trigger can occur in an instant, and sometimes people can kill someone before thinking about it. Physically killing someone requires determination and time, so by the time youve killed the person you have had plenty of time to think about it
IanJackes 2 years ago
Let me just ask you this - have you ever killed a man? I'm not looking for blustering, bragging bullshit - HONESTLY, have you ever ended another human's life?
Zen5012 2 years ago
No, i havent. but it doesnt take a killer to know that cutting a man to pieces with a knife or beating him to death with your fists requires much more willpower and human to human contact, which takes much determination to the point that your dead set on killing someone, its more an act of passion on killing one person. A gun makes a kill quick to the point where all those elements dont always have time to cross someones mind. a gun dehumanizes things.
IanJackes 2 years ago
I have killed a man. I shot him. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. You don't know the rush of emotions that come when you feel your finger putting pressure on the trigger. Regardless of the fact that you've fired thousands of rounds at paper and steel in your life - there is NO emotional detachment. You have NO idea how hard it is to put that last half pound of pressure down.
Zen5012 2 years ago
IM talking more about a massacre situation then killing a guy. Do you think the columbine guys had trouble shooting all the people they killed? But i dont think you can argue that guns make it easier mentaly compared to the alternative of watching a man die slowly as you pummel his face into the ground
IanJackes 2 years ago
No, the Columbine guys didn't. That's the point. They don't care one way or the other. If they had to have poisoned the school's food and watched everyone go into anaphylactic shock - they wouldn't have cared.
And yes, I can argue that guns don't make it "Mentally easier" - that's what I was JUST talking about. There is NO difference. In fact, beating him to death would be easier since halfway through adrenaline and fog have taken over. That's what "Manslaughter" is all about.
Zen5012 2 years ago
There is no dehumanization. That only occurs in EVIL people - like those that go on shooting sprees.
A gun is simply an equalizer - It makes small as powerful as a large and old as powerful as young. This, by itself, is neither good nor evil. It's the PERSON that matters.
Having made the decision to take another life does NOT make a "Kill quick". The person on a killing spree has already dehumanized his targets - the TOOL DOESN'T MATTER.
You have no idea what emotions are involved.
Zen5012 2 years ago
i totally agree, but im discussing more of in the event of a massacre, while i think personal protection is a good thing, there isnt always a way to tell which is a responsible person and who is an "evil" person. And allowing guns in schools will allow those evil people to walk around with them, which i dont need to explain why that a good idea.
IanJackes 2 years ago
*why thats not a good idea
IanJackes 2 years ago
And your probably going to say that everyone can hasve a gun so they can be stopped before things get out of hand. But as you said earlier, its Very hard emotionally to kill someone, especially for someone with absolutely no experiance doing so. You also said that evil people can do it with no issues at all. By these two factors, its safe to say that an evil kid could do quite a bit of damage before he finally got shot.
IanJackes 2 years ago
Man, the evil people ALREADY walk around with them. Get it? Criminals break the law.
And yes, allowing people to carry a weapon will allow those murderers to be STOPPED sooner than begging the police to come and save you.
And by these two factors it is difficult for a decent human being to pull the trigger on another person. Guess what you've missed? I STILL DID IT. I stopped him. It sucked but I did it. So tell me why people shouldn't be "allowed" to have, at least, that opportunity.
Zen5012 2 years ago
yes, of course, but these evil people will be allowed to walk right in to their school with them now.
IanJackes 2 years ago
they still would do it either way you stupid mother fucker
Origin305 1 year ago
And while, compared to the alternative, there might be a little less damage compared to the situation as it is now, i think people overlook the point. Is the solution really more guns for less killings? i think thats stupid. I think the answr is tightr security. Putting guns in the hands of more people also can cause much more unforseen problms, such as makng it easier for guns to get in the hands of kids. Acidents are always going to happen, why give more people the tools to possibly create one
IanJackes 2 years ago
To carry a handgun you have to pass an FBI background check, have no history of mental illness, and can't be a drunk or a drug addict. Out of all of the gun murders in the US, almost none of them were commited by a handgun carry permit holder. Permit holders are the safest and most law abiding citizens there are.
jboritzki 2 years ago
@lanJackes are you serious?? Does your logic makes sense? Come on man use your head! You're saying that we would be allowing evil persons to have guns at school. The thing is that, allowing them or not would make no difference. They would still bring the guns to school if they so much feel like it. Like someone said earlier, a gun is an equalizer. Your argument and logic is terrible. You're are just scared of guns in general. I suggest you take a little coarse on guns to ease the fear.
Origin305 1 year ago
I doubt Cho Seung Dipshit would have killed upwards of 30 people if some other students who weren't crazy were allowed to pack heat to class. Think about it liberals.....
AllahConsciousness 2 years ago
Dumb liberals. Guns don't kill. It is the person behind it that kills. A gun is a tool. One uses it for good and one uses it for bad. Simple as that.
pkjmuas 2 years ago
Of course if a bad person was not allowed to purchase guns, he would find it pretty difficult to go on a school knifing instead of a school shooting lol.
So instead of a body count of 20, he might get to knife say 2.
Sure guns don't kill, but they sure help. Beats killing someone with a stick anyhow.
I am all for gun rights, but I want more policies to restrict them for ex-felons, ex-convicts, and mentally unstable people.
C6H6drinker 2 years ago
All of those provisions are in place except mental health.
jlchavis0844 2 years ago
Well i have to disagree on that point.
Google: ex convicts purchase guns, or something similar.
C6H6drinker 2 years ago
dude, you cant stop an evil person from getting his hands on a gun. All these laws only affect the law abiding citizens. The criminals could give a shit about the laws. Think about it.
Origin305 1 year ago 2
thank you a gun is an inatimate object they cant kill only people can kill
WazRimProductions 2 years ago 2
My sole point is that a gun increases the body count significantly.
But, yes, guns don't kill, people kill.
C6H6drinker 2 years ago
So what do the anti-gunners say to the fact that if just one or two nearby students had been carrying, the kill count might have been like 4, including the shooter?
They preach using knowledge as the weapon, as in knowing when to spot these things, etc... what a joke. Even if you saw a student you thought was troubled, then one day thought he had a gun, what are we gonna start doing, having school lockdowns and have a student stripped of his rights and privacy due to one paranoid teacher?
blinkivxx 2 years ago 3
Guns do not kill people. PERIOD. How the hell it's going to work when nobody has their fingers on the trigger? What do you expect, a self-operating handgun mounted on a turret mount? PREPOSTEROUS!
IDIOTS, CRIMINALS, AND PSYCHOPATHS KILL PEOPLE.
Am I right? By using common sense, yes.
-Arturo Dungayan
purpleravenstar 2 years ago 5
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America is so fucking rediculous. At least this policy kills them off, and rids the world of a few dumb people.
Taheki 2 years ago
LOL thats amazing. cool how england and austrailias crime raits have SOARED. why? guns get banned crime flourishes
mxf7010g8k 2 years ago 6
i can't believe abc is so ignorant, i support nothing they do or say
james1375446 2 years ago 4
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spamllpitdept 2 years ago
Right on. Guns are allowed most everywhere else, why not on campus? There could be a small number of accidents possibly, but it would balance out when gunmen are no longer able to kill large numbers of students who can't defend themselves.
vandal9202 2 years ago
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just the thing America needs more young people with guns
unrefinedtheoriginal 2 years ago
I know, why didnt anyone think of this before. I want to be able to defend myself while at school, and it pisses me off that I cant
RC2222222222 2 years ago 5
They make you take a phsycological evaluation in most states when you carry a concealed weapon. i think it is a great idea. People who think concealing weapons on campus are ignorant."yeah lets all get gunned down like helpless rabbits because i dont wanna be protected because guns are SCARY!" If they approve it in washington i will get a concealed weapons permit for campus's
MCAA52694 2 years ago 2
Seriously...At LEAST Carry a 6" knife...Like they always say. Always have a knife
ShatteredHawk 2 years ago
Here in indiana, when you aplied for a concealment permit you had to write a letter specifiying exactly why you needed that license but for a long time we dont need that anymore, when i did mine, i just had to fill out paper work, give finger prints, and my background check takes 7 weeks and i should be getting it near the end of may
MusicMan100 2 years ago
The Supreme Court ruled in favor of a public right to keep arms . What happened to the BEAR portion ? To "BEAR" equals "CARRY" about you or your person . Do we NOT have that right as put fourth in the 2nd 24/7 ? A well armed public is a polite public . Bad guys fear being shot by guns just as much as joe pubic . When will man take on in court that "BEAR" issue . If defended right . No state could bar you from your right to "carry / bear" arms in ANY place . I carry ALL my other rights 24/7 !
thirdeyeguy 2 years ago 2
its because guns are "scary" and will run around killing people all on their own...
CPLBSS88 2 years ago
What we have isn't a firearm problem, its a liberal one. Bleeding heart liberals mean well, but they believe so many things that just aren't true. They scorn and hate the truth with fervor...
understandfirst 2 years ago
I hope North Carolina adapts this
bryandenehy76 2 years ago
NC needs to definitely get in on this. Unfortunately, though NC votes conservatively on the federal level, we vote liberally on the state level. Thus, our elected state officials are liberal in their views on this issue and will unreasonably reject to our safety at school!
sgtssstutter 2 years ago
Damn- can you imagine if a few of those kids or the professor had a handgun on the day of the VT massacre?
Things would have surely gone differently that day, and at least those who might have died would have been able to do so defending their life and their peers.
go 2nd amendment
Elementsk8ter4life 2 years ago
This video makes me want to go to a Utah college.
TheProsecuter 2 years ago 3
i can see the logic in this. who would shoot up a classroom full of kids with guns? thats like 30:1
shorty962 2 years ago 2
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Whats gonna happen if someone gets mad at someone else, now instead of them getting into a fist fight, ones gonna pull there gun on the other, and then his friends will pull there guns and then it will be a blood bath all over again
wint3rs457 2 years ago
Virginia Tech and Columbine were blood baths because no one had the means to defend themselves.
grizzledRobert 2 years ago 3
Which is what's currently happening at Colorado state, where CCW is legal, amitire?
jtbell04 2 years ago
you're speaking in rationalities of those individuals being psychotic, you can speak of that scenario but to actually do it is a whole new story, to pull a a gun intended to administer deadly force on the basis of rage is a pinnacle of standard psychosis, read Dr. Michael Stone's (a criminologist and pyschologist) levels of evil, you'd learn quite a bit from it
MusicMan100 2 years ago
Man, I love this argument by the anti-gunners. We debated this in class one day, and they are said this shit. "People will get mad and pull guns on each other." Oh really? Why does this not happen in everyday life where many people are carrying concealed. That rarely if ever has happened that two CCW people get pissed off and shoot each other, so why would it happen regularly at a school campus? Its just a weak "What if..." by the anti gun people.
HKBM45 2 years ago 5
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Phoenixx45 2 years ago
Yeah, be glad you deleted that Phoenixx45. It was retarded. But Ill answer it anyway. Youve got to understand that people that get CCW permits go through an 8 hour class, are 21 or over, and submit their fingerprints to the FBI. Now CCW holders commit very few crimes, but no, they are not perfect and are human like everyone else. But a "What if.." situation that has no basis in fact is not a reason to disarm the responsible citizens that go through the process. The criminals will still carry.
HKBM45 2 years ago 11
I figured there would be more western states attempting to push the bill
ultrababeman 2 years ago
i bet the people who got slaughtered , if any of them opposed cc , i bet they are rolling in their grave, cuz it oculd have saved their lives
pjicleanair420 2 years ago
the outraged people are the ones who do not have any experience or even know how to operate a firearm,...that is there problem
pjicleanair420 2 years ago 6
man watching this video kinda makes me mad..
mainly because of the ignorant black guy who at the time i can guarantee wishes someone else had a gun to shoot Cho before he went on a massacre but doesn't wanna admit it because he's ignorant. . .
Fact: After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of more than eighty semesters, none of these eleven schools have seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft.
fwynn 2 years ago 2
for all these people who think they are safer without guns on campus ask yourself what your gonna do if heaven forbid something terrible happens again and your stuck in a classroom without ANY sort of protection. ask yourself what you would do if that person ducking down 2 feet from you did not bring their weapon today of all days not to bring it cause other people think they will be safer. when the person could have dropped that person right there in their tracks or let them go on a rampage???
antwonza 2 years ago
I moved from Delaware to Utah 7 months ago and I can tell you , there is a marked difference in young adults here. They are very mature and I have yet to see the "tuff guy" attitude that was so prevelant back east. I do believe you should protect yourself (I have a CC permit) but a lot of twenty year olds aren't mature enough to handle their rage. What to do? Something has to be done but what? Maybe a group of armed students that pass a psych test? Just arming teachers? Armed guards?
FuchsTone66 2 years ago 2
Warning signs my butt. Now we'll have 1/4 people forced into counseling because paranoid students and faculty, or those with a grudge, will voice "concern". The fundamental flaw with everyone's reasoning here is that there are warning signs that can be spotted before the event. It's easy to say they had a problem after the fact. I've carried for some time, and if it's done anything, it's made me more level headed and cautious.
warrenkm 2 years ago 2
I've bee preaching this to my friends and I will continue to do s on here! Gun laws only affect LAW ABIDING citizens. Criminals get them anyway! Criminals fear armed citizens MUCH MORE than they do police or laws! Do some research and you'l see it for yourself! I just applied for my CCW yesterday. And wen I get it I will be armed everywhere I can be!
mattxr2i 3 years ago 3
Lucky you. I still have a year to wait before I am old enough. Till then all I can use is pepper spray!
CrystalHunter1989 2 years ago
ha ha the medias solution to gun violence is spoting warning signs in individuals holy shite thats funny.
about 80% of americans need some therapy (im from chicago so no flaming)
im floored by people who actually feel safer when just the criminals have guns and the good folks who want it for self defense are refused. FN crazy
ugotpimp 3 years ago 6
Any law-abiding citizen should be allowed to carry a handgun.
More security cameras? Better trained police? It's all a smokescreen. In reality, the only option is to hide under your desk and pray that the crazed gunman doesn't blow your head off.
waingro1018 3 years ago 9
Agreed. It seems like if one meets the state's age requirements, and has an absolutely spotless record, he or she should be permitted to carry on campus. I'd say that, along with a more age-specific CCW course would help ensure those that get a permit are:
1) Responsible individuals
2) Aware of the legal consequenses for brandishing, or using a weapon to gain leverage or escalate an argument, etc.
TimmySnugglefist 2 years ago
Plus, the training that is required in most states usually fortify an understanding of the magnitude of carrying a lethal weapon. I'd be willing to bet that many ex-cops who may have had to gun down suspects train students, relaying to them that you should be %100 that you have no other practical or logical alternative before taking human life.
Bottom line? CCW's aren't stupid. Like police, they'll only shoot if they absolutely HAVE to.
CrystalHunter1989 2 years ago 2
yes sit. They're not just a bunch of gun weilding manics. What the media never has time to explain [yeah right:) ] that these people have to train, and to keep their license, they have to re-take the course yearly. And, most of them go to shooting ranges, and shoot very often, and are familiar with their weapon.
waddleg 2 years ago 3
Exactly. What a lot of people don't understand is that those who have a concealed carry permit are far less likely to commit any kind of crime. It's also a fact that people with concealed carry permits shoot their weapons more often than police officers. Police re-certify yearly, we shoot at the range for fun several times a month (for the most part)
uakron17 2 years ago 2
definately. As soon as I can carry, I will. And 99% of the people interviewed, have no experiance with firearms. They know only of what the media tells them. Guns=Bad.
Highly untrue. Most people seem to think that guns are only killing machines, and don't know of rifle or pistol matches people shoot. Grr.
Aw well, its nice when you're among knowing people.
waddleg 2 years ago 2
"It's also a fact that people with concealed carry permits shoot their weapons more often than police officers. "
I know this to be the case. Most officers go to the range only once or twice a year. Some only go if the have to qualify with their weapon.
jimitl5 2 years ago
In Michigan we can carry on campus, just not in a dormitory or within a classroom.
jwelters 3 years ago
I'm curious, where then do you store the weapon?
CrystalHunter1989 2 years ago
Most Cops that really truly care about the lives of citizens agree they should carry a gun. Those Cops that don't just need to carry a lot of chalk.
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
I have an Idea. Why dont we ask the 32 shot dead at Virginia Tech if they are against Students carrying concealed guns on campus?
ClassicFIHD 3 years ago
ClassicFHD, I bet they were praying someone or some teacher had a gun to stop it. The cops didn't stop it, they waited outside "forming a plan". By the time they went in, it was too late, as usual.
1qimds 3 years ago 2
I think all law abiding citizens should have the right to carry any place they feel it necessary.
The anti-gun hype is way too overblown.
The stats on the CDC website section on mortality rates showed in 2005 only 19,000 fatalities were from murders (all forms including non-gun related), but deaths from heart disease and cancer was over 1 million!
Kinda puts it in perspective doesn't it?
We should concentrate on what's REALLY killing us.
1qimds 3 years ago 2