@IExposeMormonism As a matter of fact, both. I was excommunicated from the church in 1985 at my own request, for my own reasons. However, when I see the faith wrongfully maligned, I feel an obligation to enlighten people.
Those "pentagrams" are commonly, but wrongly, known as "barnstars". You can google that if you want to know more about the history. But ultimately, these star shaped plates were "washers" in part of a tie-rod system to hold brick and masonry structures together (cont.)
@Dogheadj These star shaped plates were the anchors of the tie-rod system and helped to prevent lateral bowing. In fact, they're very common in older structures in the region in which I live (Illinois).
There are a lot of misconceptions out there about the Mormon faith, but let's not go crazy. You can find something sinister everywhere if you look if you want to.
Believe me, there is nothing to your "Pentagram" fantasy. If there were,as an ex-Mormon, I would tell you.
@jedswood303 Look at the position of the Pentagrams. They are at different heights. The black ring. The points up and down. This is not sloppy contracting work. It is intentional. It has meaning to the Mormons who put them there. Past art seems to indicate some windows were changed sometime in the past. But that may just art error. I've seen error in art of Kirtland temple. Also,that spot of blood on the floor the Mormons used to say was Joes couldn't be his, not from the story. Had to be Hyrum
@IExposeMormonism It was Hyrums'. Living a couple hours away from nauvoo/Carthage, I've been there a number of times since my childhood (I'm now 56). I've never heard it represented to be anything other than Hyrums' blood.
I certainly understand what a pentagram is. I did not say it was sloppy work, it was standard work on all buildings of the period. It is clear that smith and many in the mob were masons. I just dont see what you think is wrong with that. If you have some supporting evidence that the stars mean something then please present it, if not then you really have no argument and you should be honest about that. So are you just anti mormon or are you also anti masonic?
Can you at least explain your position. Are you saying that you believe the stars have some meaning? Do you believe they were placed there by the mormons or masons? You are aware that the carthage jail was not built by mormons? I live very close to the jail and you should know that the stars are structural. Any brick or stone building in this area built more than a hundred years ago has these stars on the exterior, they are bolted to long rods that go through the building to hold it together.
@jedswood303 You must not be Mormon. The stars are Pentagrams. They are placed there with intention. It's not just some sloppy work. Yes, they have meaning, no I don;t know what they mean to the Mormons that placed them there. They were not there in 1842. Carthage jail was a Missouri jail in 1842 and you can be certain Freemasons controlled every aspect of legal life. Be it the jailer, deputy, sheriff, the military, governor, etc All were Freemasons. And so was everyone in jail that day.
@jedswood303 Did you know the main jail was down below? Joe, etc was brought up to the 2nd floor that day, on the pretense of a little fresh are on a hot sultry day. It was a set up from beginning to end. Ford knew better, too. Not nice. Did you know J.S. sent a message to his Gen Dunham saying "get me the hell out here now"! But it was ignored and he suffered no consequence's. Odd. Any how, Everything done with those stars is done with a purpose. Pointy side up or down, position on wall, etc.
@jedswood303 Well, please, tune me up. and while you're at it, tell what the meaning is and why those pentagrams are pointy side up and down and in such odd positions. there is a reason.
Hey, dumbass, you must be from California or Utah—some state where they only have new buildings. Places were our buildings are over 200 years old have walls that settle, and in the process, they pull apart. When the walls pull apart, the floor joists collapse. To prevent this, some guy in the 18th century thought up an ingenious anchor system. Google it or check it out on Wikipedia.
I suppose the guys at This Old House were involved in killing the Smith brothers, too, right?
@jotunnorske So, where is the anchor system you refer to? Is it in the pentagram or the black ring on the window? I never said those doing home remodel were involved in Joes death, I said Freemasons were involved .
@pobody69 Po-Po, Comment all you want. I'm tired of the other item. If it persists. I'll just block. Mormons and Freemasons do things for a reason. Do you know why the stars are pointy side up/down or what that black iron ring is for? The gutter could be bad aesthetics but it's unlikely..their aesthetics run to making canes out of coffins, stuffing magic papers in funny places....I haven't haven't visited the Tracy Twyman video for a while. better check out the outraged Freemason's in denial.
@IExposeMormonism Are you a one of the "Lost Boys" who were cast out from a Mormon compound? Do you really hate Mormons and Freemasons because of events that happened more than 150 years ago that has no direct connection to you? I'm just wondering what REALLY fuels your hatred because I, personally as an American, bear no ill will to England for the tragic Boston Massacre. Please feel free to visit the Tracy Twyman video so I can answer any questions you have.
@pobody69 I read the Mountain Meadows Massacre, Juanita Brooks, a Mormon. She did the best she could. Few people would perceive MMM as occult ritual magic. I wasn't convinced but decided to investigate Mormonism. I knew nothing about FM, Illuminati, Kaballah, NWO. About 1+yrs in I found out more than I wanted. What would all that have to do with the MMM? It's too complicated to go into. But Mormonism, Joes death, MMM, Mormonism are all FM! Everyone in the jail was a FM and outside, too. Con't
As were the men at MMM, inside the train and 55 Mormons under the "Endowment's":another set of FM rituals, which is to say Jewish Kaballah. I see all sorts of odd words, definitions, symbols, rituals and oaths used by these occult maniacs. So, investigating MMM led to a collection of over 325 books from 1840-1888 mostly. 911-1857, MMM was like 2001: the terrorists are the lying false accusers. The innocent are set up for political gain. Perps control info' flow, travel, martial law declared,
@pobody69 Lastly, I have a good education in "Ancient Greek Religion" in the broad sense. I took many classes in anthropology, archeology, in getting my humble psychology degree. Which included lots of Freud and Jung. And I never stopped reading since then, c.1978. So reading MMM opened my eyes and tightened my stomach Before I knew what I was investigating. FM, Shriners, etc are far more than social clubs. Morgan proved that. Did you know Joe married the widow of Morgan? After she had remarried
@pobody69 oh yes let's call someone crazy before investigating their claims for yourself lock them up in a mental institution call them a basket case and then continue believing what you want. I take it your a good faithful Mormon?
@Bearkiller777 I posted my collection of books up to a year ago, over 300 and today over 325. I need to update the inventory. I don't use the internet much. I have found Mormon/Freemason/occult info on the internet and some MMM I found these pics on Youtube, by people at the jail. I noticed this pentagram issue a few months ago. As for the gutter, beats me but the Morg isn't poor on planning. Their temples, ritual, political savy, etc, show that.
@IExposeMormonism Yea i agree with your position i was referring to pobody69 was asking you if you spent time at a doctor or institutionalized...aka crazy....I know Mormonism is a fraud from what I have heard / found Joseph Smith as a 32nd degree Freemason..is this True?
@Bearkiller777 I kind of suspect that, regardless of what facts or evidence I post, you will find some fault, even if it's a spelling error - and then you will proceed to make some particular issue out of that.
@pobody69 No, I considered being an psychoanalyst but I'm more blunt than most folks want to hear. If you're at all involved in Freemasonry it's easy to research the occult side of it, it's political agenda, and the filth of cults residing with in it. When this is all over, and it will be someday, Mormonism and Freemasonry and its concomitants will be part of a past nightmare of history from which the world woke up. Never to return.
@pobody69 No, I'm not a kindly avuncular type. Historically most psychoanalysts have an MD or did, I don't follow the trends. I focus on symbolism,ritual,meaning.So when I "saw" what happened on 911 you can imagine how a mind like mine would light up like a pin ball machine: Jachin and Boaz to Rev 18. Not that there's point point correspondence between Rev 18 and WTC mega ritual. Funny facts: in 747 on 911 an earthquake wrecked Jerusalem and the E&W walls of Dome of the Rock! related? doubtful
pointing down and the gutter maybe's... pointing the masons and/ or sinners towards their final destination? (after all.. that is the masons home turf)
no locks... in the movie "Support Your Local Sherif", the sherif, james garner used a splash of red paint as blood on the floor in front of an unfinished & doorless jail cell, to curtail any hanky panky lite foot action... of corse it worked. (in the movies)
You're a frigging nut case.
Dogheadj 7 months ago
@Dogheadj And you would be, what? a Mormon? Or do you know the meaning of all those pentagrams and other occult objects?
IExposeMormonism 7 months ago
@IExposeMormonism As a matter of fact, both. I was excommunicated from the church in 1985 at my own request, for my own reasons. However, when I see the faith wrongfully maligned, I feel an obligation to enlighten people.
Those "pentagrams" are commonly, but wrongly, known as "barnstars". You can google that if you want to know more about the history. But ultimately, these star shaped plates were "washers" in part of a tie-rod system to hold brick and masonry structures together (cont.)
Dogheadj 7 months ago
@Dogheadj These star shaped plates were the anchors of the tie-rod system and helped to prevent lateral bowing. In fact, they're very common in older structures in the region in which I live (Illinois).
There are a lot of misconceptions out there about the Mormon faith, but let's not go crazy. You can find something sinister everywhere if you look if you want to.
Believe me, there is nothing to your "Pentagram" fantasy. If there were,as an ex-Mormon, I would tell you.
Dogheadj 7 months ago
Just to add a bit more, I really am failing to see what point you are trying to make so if you could please clerify
jedswood303 8 months ago
@jedswood303 Look at the position of the Pentagrams. They are at different heights. The black ring. The points up and down. This is not sloppy contracting work. It is intentional. It has meaning to the Mormons who put them there. Past art seems to indicate some windows were changed sometime in the past. But that may just art error. I've seen error in art of Kirtland temple. Also,that spot of blood on the floor the Mormons used to say was Joes couldn't be his, not from the story. Had to be Hyrum
IExposeMormonism 8 months ago
@IExposeMormonism It was Hyrums'. Living a couple hours away from nauvoo/Carthage, I've been there a number of times since my childhood (I'm now 56). I've never heard it represented to be anything other than Hyrums' blood.
Dogheadj 7 months ago
I certainly understand what a pentagram is. I did not say it was sloppy work, it was standard work on all buildings of the period. It is clear that smith and many in the mob were masons. I just dont see what you think is wrong with that. If you have some supporting evidence that the stars mean something then please present it, if not then you really have no argument and you should be honest about that. So are you just anti mormon or are you also anti masonic?
jedswood303 8 months ago
Can you at least explain your position. Are you saying that you believe the stars have some meaning? Do you believe they were placed there by the mormons or masons? You are aware that the carthage jail was not built by mormons? I live very close to the jail and you should know that the stars are structural. Any brick or stone building in this area built more than a hundred years ago has these stars on the exterior, they are bolted to long rods that go through the building to hold it together.
jedswood303 8 months ago
@jedswood303 You must not be Mormon. The stars are Pentagrams. They are placed there with intention. It's not just some sloppy work. Yes, they have meaning, no I don;t know what they mean to the Mormons that placed them there. They were not there in 1842. Carthage jail was a Missouri jail in 1842 and you can be certain Freemasons controlled every aspect of legal life. Be it the jailer, deputy, sheriff, the military, governor, etc All were Freemasons. And so was everyone in jail that day.
IExposeMormonism 8 months ago
@jedswood303 Did you know the main jail was down below? Joe, etc was brought up to the 2nd floor that day, on the pretense of a little fresh are on a hot sultry day. It was a set up from beginning to end. Ford knew better, too. Not nice. Did you know J.S. sent a message to his Gen Dunham saying "get me the hell out here now"! But it was ignored and he suffered no consequence's. Odd. Any how, Everything done with those stars is done with a purpose. Pointy side up or down, position on wall, etc.
IExposeMormonism 8 months ago
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jedswood303 8 months ago
this is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Your lack of understanding and general ignorance is astounding.
jedswood303 8 months ago
@jedswood303 Well, please, tune me up. and while you're at it, tell what the meaning is and why those pentagrams are pointy side up and down and in such odd positions. there is a reason.
IExposeMormonism 8 months ago
Hey, dumbass, you must be from California or Utah—some state where they only have new buildings. Places were our buildings are over 200 years old have walls that settle, and in the process, they pull apart. When the walls pull apart, the floor joists collapse. To prevent this, some guy in the 18th century thought up an ingenious anchor system. Google it or check it out on Wikipedia.
I suppose the guys at This Old House were involved in killing the Smith brothers, too, right?
jotunnorske 1 year ago
@jotunnorske So, where is the anchor system you refer to? Is it in the pentagram or the black ring on the window? I never said those doing home remodel were involved in Joes death, I said Freemasons were involved .
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@pobody69 Po-Po, Comment all you want. I'm tired of the other item. If it persists. I'll just block. Mormons and Freemasons do things for a reason. Do you know why the stars are pointy side up/down or what that black iron ring is for? The gutter could be bad aesthetics but it's unlikely..their aesthetics run to making canes out of coffins, stuffing magic papers in funny places....I haven't haven't visited the Tracy Twyman video for a while. better check out the outraged Freemason's in denial.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Are you a one of the "Lost Boys" who were cast out from a Mormon compound? Do you really hate Mormons and Freemasons because of events that happened more than 150 years ago that has no direct connection to you? I'm just wondering what REALLY fuels your hatred because I, personally as an American, bear no ill will to England for the tragic Boston Massacre. Please feel free to visit the Tracy Twyman video so I can answer any questions you have.
pobody69 1 year ago
@pobody69 I read the Mountain Meadows Massacre, Juanita Brooks, a Mormon. She did the best she could. Few people would perceive MMM as occult ritual magic. I wasn't convinced but decided to investigate Mormonism. I knew nothing about FM, Illuminati, Kaballah, NWO. About 1+yrs in I found out more than I wanted. What would all that have to do with the MMM? It's too complicated to go into. But Mormonism, Joes death, MMM, Mormonism are all FM! Everyone in the jail was a FM and outside, too. Con't
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
As were the men at MMM, inside the train and 55 Mormons under the "Endowment's":another set of FM rituals, which is to say Jewish Kaballah. I see all sorts of odd words, definitions, symbols, rituals and oaths used by these occult maniacs. So, investigating MMM led to a collection of over 325 books from 1840-1888 mostly. 911-1857, MMM was like 2001: the terrorists are the lying false accusers. The innocent are set up for political gain. Perps control info' flow, travel, martial law declared,
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@pobody69 Lastly, I have a good education in "Ancient Greek Religion" in the broad sense. I took many classes in anthropology, archeology, in getting my humble psychology degree. Which included lots of Freud and Jung. And I never stopped reading since then, c.1978. So reading MMM opened my eyes and tightened my stomach Before I knew what I was investigating. FM, Shriners, etc are far more than social clubs. Morgan proved that. Did you know Joe married the widow of Morgan? After she had remarried
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism At any time in your lifetime, were you ever under the care of a psychiatry doctor or institutionalized?
pobody69 1 year ago
@pobody69 oh yes let's call someone crazy before investigating their claims for yourself lock them up in a mental institution call them a basket case and then continue believing what you want. I take it your a good faithful Mormon?
Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 I have done research and no.
pobody69 1 year ago
@pobody69 name what books you have read what websites have you visited ? How in depth was your research was it thought out? \
Bearkiller777 1 year ago
@Bearkiller777 I posted my collection of books up to a year ago, over 300 and today over 325. I need to update the inventory. I don't use the internet much. I have found Mormon/Freemason/occult info on the internet and some MMM I found these pics on Youtube, by people at the jail. I noticed this pentagram issue a few months ago. As for the gutter, beats me but the Morg isn't poor on planning. Their temples, ritual, political savy, etc, show that.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism Yea i agree with your position i was referring to pobody69 was asking you if you spent time at a doctor or institutionalized...aka crazy....I know Mormonism is a fraud from what I have heard / found Joseph Smith as a 32nd degree Freemason..is this True?
Bearkiller777 1 year ago
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@Bearkiller777 I kind of suspect that, regardless of what facts or evidence I post, you will find some fault, even if it's a spelling error - and then you will proceed to make some particular issue out of that.
pobody69 1 year ago
@pobody69 No, I considered being an psychoanalyst but I'm more blunt than most folks want to hear. If you're at all involved in Freemasonry it's easy to research the occult side of it, it's political agenda, and the filth of cults residing with in it. When this is all over, and it will be someday, Mormonism and Freemasonry and its concomitants will be part of a past nightmare of history from which the world woke up. Never to return.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism You are a psychoanalyst by profession?
pobody69 1 year ago
@pobody69 No, I'm not a kindly avuncular type. Historically most psychoanalysts have an MD or did, I don't follow the trends. I focus on symbolism,ritual,meaning.So when I "saw" what happened on 911 you can imagine how a mind like mine would light up like a pin ball machine: Jachin and Boaz to Rev 18. Not that there's point point correspondence between Rev 18 and WTC mega ritual. Funny facts: in 747 on 911 an earthquake wrecked Jerusalem and the E&W walls of Dome of the Rock! related? doubtful
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism So to sum it up, you dislike the Freemason fraternity and Mormon religion because you believe in the Illuminati?
pobody69 1 year ago
pointing down and the gutter maybe's... pointing the masons and/ or sinners towards their final destination? (after all.. that is the masons home turf)
no locks... in the movie "Support Your Local Sherif", the sherif, james garner used a splash of red paint as blood on the floor in front of an unfinished & doorless jail cell, to curtail any hanky panky lite foot action... of corse it worked. (in the movies)
take care dude
UPTHElRS 1 year ago
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UPTHElRS 1 year ago