Undeniable proof that Jesus is Jehovah: Compare Heb 1:10-12 with Psalm 102:25-27

[BZimpfer]

Is it really that hard to conceive that God could create a sperm in Mary that impregnated an egg in Mary and Jesus Christ was born. Being the sperm was from God, it would make God Jesus Christ's Father. But the insertion of a word that never appears in any text is the height of blaspheme. Actually, the word "Jesus" is translated into Hebrew as "Joshua". God also told Moses that he would be a god to Aaron.

[BZimpfer]

First of all, in comparing those two scriptures: You must remember that you are dealing with two different languages. Hebrews was written in Greek and Psalms was written in Hebrew. The same writer of Hebrews also wrote in I Timothy 2:5 and I quote: for there is "ONE" God and "ONE" mediator (1+1=2) between GOD and MEN, the MAN (the Man) Christ Jesus. The word "Trinity" never appears in any text that we have in extant. I am confident that God had the word in His vocabulary.

[ETHANGELIST]

@BZimpfer The writer of Hebrews did not write 1Timothy. They're 2 different authors. Paul is NOT the author of Hebrews. Yes I know the original Psalm was written in Hebrew, but that doesn't change the fact that the author quoted from it and applied to to Jesus therefore calling Jesus the eternally changeless Creator (YHWH). And it doesn't matter if the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible. The word "Bible" is not found either and even the word "Monotheism" is not found.

[jpmay26]

@ETHANGELIST (reposted for this vid) The scribes added words & phrases to the text NOT found in the original manuscripts (using ITALICS).

In Heb 1;7, the Greek word for "he saith" is "legei"...but in Heb 1;8, "legei" does NOT appear at all, so "he saith" (in italics) doesn't belong. It's the writer now speaking to the Son from this point on. It is NOT the Father speaking to him in verses 10-12, but the writer.

[dajudgeturner007]

I deny your allegation. There, it is not undeniable.

[ETHANGELIST]

@dajudgeturner007 If you're not satisfied in this one, please check out my video on John 12:37-41:

/watch?v=8zmE43MQMkQ

[Danielezerable]

@ETHANGELIST I already explained this verse for you. Psalm 102:25-27 has the Father speaking to the Son in a PROPHETIC event. It wasn't going on at the time. I'm guessing you want all the Messianic prophecies fulfilled in OT times. Like "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" That happened in OT times?!? These are FUTURE conversations between God and Messiah! Further, if Messiah has unchanging nature, He is forever not omniscient (Matthew 24:36) and therefore not God.

[ETHANGELIST]

@Upermonotheismos The Greek word for "through" is "dia" which means "A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through". That Greek word is used of the Father's role in creation in Hebrews 2:10. So it should be translated [the Father] "through whom are all things" as the NASB puts it. So all things came "through" the Father, as well as all things came "through" (dia) the Son as Col 1:16 and 1Cor 8:6 tells us.

"By" and "through" are almost identical in meaning anyway.

[ETHANGELIST]

@Upermonotheismos I also believe God created all things "through" His Son (Heb 1:2). But you're missing something. At times, the Father is also described as "THROUGH whom are all things" (e.g. Heb 2:10). Also, in 1Cor 8:6, the NASB (& KJV) doesn't say "through whom are all things" for Jesus, instead it says "by whom are all things"

If Jesus is the creator, wouldn't that mean Jesus is YHWH? Or would you disagree? Did YHWH need help in creation? Does He share the role of creation with a creature?

[ETHANGELIST]

@Upermonotheismos How about you apply sound exegesis to Hebrews rather than jumping to Exodus and other areas of Scripture? It is blasphemous for you to believe Jesus was worshiped, yet is not YHWH. Do you or do you not believe Jesus is worshiped in the Bible? And it is silly that you said Jesus is not creator in Hebrews 1. It is so obvious. What about Col 1:15-17 and John 1:1-3, 10? Is Jesus the creator of all things or not?

And what does firstborn mean to you? Let me guess, "first created"?

[ETHANGELIST]

"Jesus is worshipped as the firstborn and not as Yhvh."

So I guess Jesus was lying in Luke 4:8 when He said "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’”

The same Greek word (proskuneō) Jesus used in Luke 4:8 is the same in Hebrews 1:6. Only Yahweh is to be worshiped (proskuneō). But I guess you would disagree with that? If the writer of Hebrews believed Jesus was worshiped (proskuneō) by all the angels, automatically he would know Jesus is Yahweh.

[ETHANGELIST]

@Upermonotheismos "Hebrews chapter 1 doesn't say he is the Creator"

Hebrews 1 says, "through whom also He made the world." God created the world through His Son. And in verse 10: “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH,

AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;". Jesus is described as laying the foundation of the earth and being the creator of all the heavens. I can't see how it is possible for you to believe Jesus is not recognized as the creator by the writer in Heb 1

[ETHANGELIST]

@Upermonotheismos I watched your video. So you believe that the writer of Hebrews didn't believe Jesus was Jehovah even though in chapter 1 he describes Jesus as the creator (Heb 1:2, 10), as being worshiped by all the angels (Heb 1:6), being eternal (Heb 1:11-12), unchangeable (Heb 1:12) and called God (Heb 1:8)??

So you believe the writer of Hebrews was an extreme blasphemer? Because the only way a creature could be described this way would be to commit blasphemy. Unless Jesus is Jehovah.

[ProveYourFaith]

(Psa 102:23 KJV) He weakened my strength in the way; he shortened my days.

(Psa 102:24 KJV) I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

Its the son speaking to the Father not the other way around the CONTRIBUTOR to Hebrews was in error. Amazing how blind you people are.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST

"Some have entertained angels unawares." (Hebrews 13:2)

As Abraham did (Genesis 18), and as Lot did (Genesis 19).

These were God's messengers, not God Most High himself.

"Hear, O Israel: YHWH is our God; YHWH is one." (Deut. 6:4)

[ETHANGELIST]

@HeroOfChristArchives No, I'm saying sometimes people have seen Yahweh in the Old Testament and it can't be the Father or John 1:18 would be a contradiction. They saw Yahweh as the Son. I gave you an example. Compare John 12:36-41 with Isaiah 6:1-10. Isaiah saw Yahweh as the Son on the throne, according to John 12. How do you example that according to your doctrine?

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST said: "Isaiah saw Yahweh as the Son on the throne, according to John 12."

Yes, ACCORDING TO JOHN 12, NOT ISAIAH. Read John 12:37-41. This is Johannine commentary. This is NOT Jesus authoritatively affirming, "So that the Scripture might be fulfilled, which says of me, 'He blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts.'" No, this is some isolated community writing approximately sixty years after Jesus' earthly ministry and retroactively applying these supposed "prophecies" to Jesus.

[ETHANGELIST]

@HeroOfChristArchives "Yes, ACCORDING TO JOHN 12, NOT ISAIAH."

Okay, so you reject Sola Scriptura. So there is no point in us debating Scripture. No matter how much I use the Bible to thoroughly destroy your doctrines, you will never believe unless the Holy Spirit unhardens your heart and gives you a new one. John 12 guarantees that John acknowledged Jesus as Jehovah. But you don't care, because you're smarter in true doctrine than the apostle John, right? You are your own authority, not God.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST said: "You reject sola scriptura."

Of course I reject that unbiblical Protestant dogma.

However, this isn't pertinent to my argument. My point was that the anonymous author of the fourth gospel interpreted Isaiah 6 as a messianic declaration. This interpretation is extremely dishonest, especially considering that the anonymous author routinely misquoted Isaiah 6, fallaciously conveying that Isaiah witnessed the Son of God rather than YHWH God (i.e. God the Father per Malachi 1:6).

[ETHANGELIST]

@HeroOfChristArchives LOL "anonymous author". John declared to be one of the 12 disciples in John 21:24 and by process of elimination, we know he is declaring to be John. He was NOT remaining anonymous or hiding his identity. We know who wrote John, and we know he was a first person eyewitness of Jesus and a true apostle. But none of that matters to you. Clearly, you think you're smarter than John, the writer of Hebrews and the apostle Paul. God is not your authority: you are your own authority.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST said: "John declared to be one of the 12 disciples in John 21:24"

John 20:30-31 is a conclusion. There are significant stylistic differences between chapters 20 & 21. Consequently, most scholars contend that the fourth gospel originally ended with chapter 20 and that chapter 21 was added later.

Tertullian wrote, "And wherefore does THIS CONCLUSION OF THE GOSPEL affirm that these things were written unless it is that you might believe, it says, that Jesus Christ is the son of God?"

[ETHANGELIST]

@HeroOfChristArchives And let me guess: you also believe the Lord Jesus, while He was on earth, rejected Sola Scripture and taught AGAINST the authority of Scripture? Your version of Jesus would say this, "I tell you the truth: don't bother with the authority of God's Word for your doctrine. Just believe what you feel like believing. Ignore all of my apostles, especially John and Paul even though they witnessed my resurrection and I have them the true gospel." Read Galatians 1 again dude.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST said: "Paul...witnessed (Jesus') resurrection"

Paul witnessed the resurrection of Jesus? You don't say!

@ETHANGELIST said: "Paul (was given) the true gospel (by Jesus)"

Jesus communicated the "true gospel" to Paul? When exactly was this?

@ETHANGELIST said: "Read Galatians 1 again dude"

Dude, you mean about how Paul received "gospel revelation" while wandering in the Arabian desert? (Galatians 1:11-17) Might this explain the obvious dearth of Gospel quotations in Paul's letters?

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST - Finally, I would counter this misinterpretation by highlighting the trinitarian misunderstanding of God. Trinitarians assert that Jesus is both God and man. However, YHWH God has affirmed, "I am God, and not man." (Hosea 11:9) Therefore Jesus, being a man, cannot be YHWH God, because YHWH God himself has affirmed, "I am God, and not man."

Hence, you've placed yourself in a most precarious position of either insisting that YHWH lied in Hosea 11:9, or admitting that you are a liar.

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST said: "...or John 1:18 would be a contradiction." It depends what version of John 1:18 you hand-pick. μονογενης θεος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος ("The only-born God who is at the Father's bosom") MSS: p66 p75 א* B C* L, Syriac Peshitta, Coptic Bohairic Fathers: Ptolemy Heracleon Origen Clement Didymus —OR— μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος ("The only-born Son who is at the Father's bosom") MSS: Most extant mss. Fathers: Tertullian Hippolytus Athanasius Chrysostom

[ETHANGELIST]

@HeroOfChristArchives You also show a lack of respect for the authors of the NT. Are you smarter in doctrine than all of them? Obviously since all of the NT writers affirmed Jesus as Jehovah especially John, Paul and the writer of Hebrews, I guess they are all idiots who had no idea who Jesus really was? But don't worry, we have you to turn to. You're smarter in true doctrine than all of the NT writers combined. Maybe I should abandon Sola Scriptura and follow you as my doctrine authority?

[MrApostolicdoctrine1]

If Jesus is "Jehovah" God, than that would make Jesus the one and only God "Jehovah". Jesus would not be distinct from Jehovah and make him a second person in the trinity, or a second person in "Jehovah God". Now your sounding Oneness, keep up the good job.

[ETHANGELIST]

@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Well, I guess I must make myself clear then: as a Trinitarian I consider Oneness doctrine an abomination. Unfortunately for your theory, the context of Hebrews 1 clearly shows a distinction in person-hood between the Father and the Son and the Father calls the Son Jehovah. But you would deny the fact that the Son is truly Jehovah, am I correct? Because your version of the Son is only the human nature of God in the flesh?

[MrApostolicdoctrine1]

@ETHANGELIST Hebrews chapter 1, does not in any way show a distinction in the Godhead. You really need to listen to yourself, If the "father" who is Jehovah of the OT, Exodus 6:3, than if the father who is Jehovah, called the "Son" Jehovah, than my friend, that would be two Jehovah's, and that is why no matter how you trinitarian's try and explain the Godhead, your theology implys polytheism. Jesus was both God and man, two nature's, human and Divine. One "Jehovah" God in human flesh, Jesus...

[ETHANGELIST]

@MrApostolicdoctrine1 Jehovah is one (Deu 6:4). No Trinitarian would say Jehovah in the Old Testament was always God the Father. There are many instances where it was actually the Son as Jehovah in the OT, for example, Isaiah 6:1-10. Isaiah saw the glory of Jehovah on the throne and John says in John 12:36-41 it was Jesus who Isaiah saw. So Isaiah saw Jehovah as the Son, not the Father. Because if it was the Father, John 1:18 would be a contradiction. Jehovah is ONE triune Being.

[MrApostolicdoctrine1]

@ETHANGELIST LOL, what?????? No friend, he is not "Triune"...

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST said: "No Trinitarian would say Jehovah in the Old Testament was always God the Father."

Apostate, much? The Son is at the Father's right hand, NOT the Father himself!

[ETHANGELIST]

@HeroOfChristArchives "Apostate, much? The Son is at the Father's right hand, NOT the Father himself!"

I'm not sure how I should respond to this... Jehovah is always 3 persons even in the Old Testament. So when Jehovah spoke and did things in the Old Testament, it is silly to automatically assume (like you do) every time Jehovah is mentioned in the OT, it is the Father of Jesus. Yes the Son sits at the right hand of the Father. He is not His own Father. Did you misunderstand me?

[HeroOfChristArchives]

@ETHANGELIST

Have you confused the OT messengers (angels) of YHWH as being YHWH God?

[IzzyXgallY]

can you make a video that proves that God/Jesus is also The Devil using scripture??? it's there using scripture comparison too... start with Isaiah 45:7

[earnestlyseeking]

Great message!

[CristoYcruz]

@ ETHANGELIST Isa 45:18 For this is what the LORD says--he(Father) who created the heavens, he(Father) is God; he(Father) who fashioned and made the earth, he(Father) founded it; he(Father) did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited--he(Father) says: "I(Father) am the LORD, and there is no other(Not Even Jesus). So it's very clear that LORD God created all things in Jesus(LORD Is Salvation)-1Cr 8:6. Hbr 1:2..and through whom(Son) he(Father) made the universe.

[ETHANGELIST]

@CristoYcruz "Hbr 1:2..and through whom(Son) he(Father) made the universe."

I have a question. Do you believe Jesus is the creator of all things or not? (Col 1:15-17)

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST Isa 40:28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator(Father) of the ends of the earth. He(Father) does not faint or grow weary(Jhn 4:6); his(Father) understanding is unsearchable(Mat 24:36). BINGO!!!

[CristoYcruz]

Your statements break to pieces with God' hammer.

The son is Jehovah God, the father is Jehovah God, HEY! you forgot the holy spirit is Jehovah God=Three Jehovah God.

Did Jesus say: "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is three. "Or did he say: "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one-Mar 12:29.

[msm1876]

@CristoYcruz QUIT QUOTING THE SHEMA!

Enough with that...you know bloody well that the Shema is telling Israel WHO to be loyal to...One and only one alone...YHWH. It is NOT some proof on who, or how many persons, YHWH is.

[CristoYcruz]

@msm1876 Deu 6:4 Hear, Yisra'el: the LORD is our God; the LORD is one: Or Deu 6:4 Hear, Yisra'el: the LORD is our God; the LORD is three.

[msm1876]

@CristoYcruz Here's how it is translated in the NJPSV: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone."

That's a JEWISH Old Testament translation. They realized Echad also means, "That one alone," and translated it as such.

If you want to delude yourself into thinking this is some formula for Unitarian Monotheism, knock yourself out.

[CristoYcruz]

@msm1876 Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one: 32 The scribe said to him, "Truly, teacher, you have said well that he(Yahweh-Father) is one, and there is none other but he(Yahweh-Father).

[CristoYcruz]

@msm1876 You shall have no other gods before me(Face)=Father. Jesus didn't have any other gods before his Father Yahweh. Jesus wasn't and isn't an Idolater like you are who believes in three Gods.

That makes you a sinner-1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

[ETHANGELIST]

@CristoYcruz "Jesus wasn't and isn't an Idolater like you are who believes in three Gods."

Actually our version of Jesus is not an idolater, but your version is. If we take into account every statement Christ says in the NT and yet conclude that Jesus is not Jehovah God; Jesus would be a lunatic, blasphemer and idolater. Only God can say the things Jesus said in the NT. Only God can say, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (Jn 14:9) or "Before Abraham was born, I am" (Jn 8:58).

[CristoYcruz]

@ETHANGELIST Jesus is not an idolater nor lunatic, not even a blasphemer, it's you. "He who has seen Me has seen the Father"=that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ..2Cr 5:19. 1Ti 6:16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see(No one has seen the father who alone holds eternality, Jesus). (Jn 8:58)<<Pro 30:4. Which means you are an idolater and sinner.

[msm1876]

@CristoYcruz >>>You shall have no other gods before me(Face)=Father.

Jesus is not ANOTHER god. He is a distinct person, who possesses his Father's deity.

>That makes you a sinner>>

I have GREAT company in my "sin!" Thomas had "another god" too! So did Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Gregory the Wonderworker, Alexander, Athanasius...oh, heck, even your boy Arius worshipped Him!

Who DIDN'T worship Jesus in the early Church?

[CristoYcruz]

@msm1876 Jesus is not ANOTHER god.<Jhn 20:28 T'oma answered him, "My Lord and my God(theos)-This theos died, he is not inherently immortal, plus he received his deity and life at his resurrection from his father. So Jesus is another theos who possesses his Father' deity.

I have the GREATEST company without "sin." Jesus didn't have any other theos(elohim) before his father the LORD God of Israel. All the Jews and Jesus and the Church of God in Christ worshiped the father in spirit and truth.

[simm3inho]

@CristoYcruz You contradict yourself, you just said there is only one God, and now you say that Jesus is another God in addition to Jehovah God!? You just broke the first commandment you idiot!!!

[CristoYcruz]

@simm3inho Said:..and now you say that Jesus is another God in addition to Jehovah God!? Answer: From your JW bible. Heb 1:9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God(theos=Jesus), your God(theos=Father), anointed you(Jesus) with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.”

[CristoYcruz]

@simm3inho Paul said: 1 Cor 8:5 For even though there are those who are called “gods(theos),” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods(theos)” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.

From your JW bible.

[CristoYcruz]

@simm3inho Said: You just broke the first commandment you idiot!!!

Answer: Exo 20:16 “You must not testify falsely as a witness against your fellowman.

Mat 5:22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an **idiot**, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell.

[simm3inho]

@CristoYcruz You broke the first commandment and I called you an idiot, I really wounder who´s in trouble, you or me? The answer is quite obvious

[CristoYcruz]

@simm3inho Jhn 9:40 Some of the Pharisees near him heard this, and they said to him, "Are we also blind?" 41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.

[simm3inho]

@CristoYcruz I think this says more about you than it says about me, you have apparently no remorse that you broke the first commandment, had you lived back then you would have been stoned before you had time to blink. Here is a passage that fits you. John 12:39-40: For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

[simm3inho]

@CristoYcruz Who said I was angry with you?, I feel sorry for you, you're lost in a doctrine that contradicts itself, my god bless you.

[CristoYcruz]

@simm3inho God the Father calls his son God(theos)-Hbr 1:8-9 that's why Paul said 1Cr 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords") 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. There is only one uncreated the Father. But you're proud and blind you need to repent of your evil.

[simm3inho]

@CristoYcruz Here is another passage for you, Matthew 7:4 And how can you say to thy brother, Let me remove the splinter from your eye - you have a beam in your eye? You are so blind that you do not see how strong you are contradicting yourself, first remove the beam from your eye and then reply to this post, otherwise it's just as well that you do not respond at all

[CristoYcruz]

@simm3inho "You're on mute" Tts 3:10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.

[simm3inho]

@CristoYcruz Matthew 7:15-17, 19-20: Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.

[ThePoisonedYouth]

@CristoYcruz and i would mention to others, but you happen to be the most recent, that what you are saying is completely hypocritical: that Jesus is not Yahweh, the Creator of the heavens of the earth. I don't know if you happen to read the gospels and actually attempt to comprehend them, or if you just attempt at making inferences based on what you believe, or if you disregard most prophetic scripture; but the first verse of the Gospels declare the God-hood of Christ as the same as Yahweh.

[ThePoisonedYouth]

@CristoYcruz "In the beginning was the word; and the word was with God; and the word was God; and the word became flesh". if the word was God, and Jesus was the word that became flesh, can we not create a simple mathematical equation, putting 2 and 2 together, and say, "In the beginning was Jesus; and Jesus was with God; and Jesus was God"? They are one in the same; as well as the Holy Ghost who is the gift of God; read about the gifts of the spirit. The Lord is one.

[JesusTheMonotheist]

@ThePoisonedYouth According to the bible from which of the three persons of the Trinity does the eternal power originate?

And who is greater in power the one who gives it or the one who receives it?

Can a Almighty person have a source and still possess eternality?

If the eternal power originates from a single person is he before or after all?

When Jesus died on the cross who upheld all things

According to Jesus own words who is greater God the Father or the Holy Spirit?

[ThePoisonedYouth]

@JesusTheMonotheist You misinterpret the scriptures. According to Jesus, the Holy Spirit is greater than himself or the Father, but all three are the same Godhead; all three are YHVH. They are all eternal; and including the flesh of Christ; or did the body stay in the tomb? "I will send one even greater than myself," he had said speaking of the spirit, the scriptures reveal later. The Spirit is within the Father, and within the Son, and within all of us. That is what sustains life. that is YHVH.

[JesusTheMonotheist]

@ThePoisonedYouth According to Jesus, the Holy Spirit is greater than himself or the Father, {--Quote the passage don't just make stuff up.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all.. "Including Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Said: all three are YHVH. They are all eternal;<---Give me that exact quote from the bible, if you can't back it up, you're not Creditable.



[JesusTheMonotheist]

@ThePoisonedYouth The eternal power/spirit originates from the Father only: 1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of(ek out of) whom [are] all things..

Rom 11:36 For of(ek out of) him(Singular/Father), and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.

Your theology is false.

[ThePoisonedYouth]

@JesusTheMonotheist try not to pick the speck out of another persons eye before taking the stick out of your own first? 1Cr 8:6 says "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." So the Father is God, or the deity, and Jesus is the Lord, but also the deity, or else he could not have created anything; and without him nothing could be created. So there is a Father and a Son, but both are one.

[ThePoisonedYouth]

@JesusTheMonotheist And it should only make sense that the Father has seniority over the Son, because how can the Son be greater than the Father? That would make no sense; it is through Jesus that all things were created, through the Word that was made flesh, who was with God in the beginning; but the Logos was the Thehos, as John 1:1 says. No one person of the faith is willing to deny this, that Jesus is YHVH. it is plain and simple; whether the Father is greater than the Son is irrelevant.

[JesusTheMonotheist]

@ThePoisonedYouth I have refuted you with the bible and will no longer continue with someone who does not prove anything by the bible only uses worldly trinitarian theology.

Please learn to think for yourself and get off that worldly garbage known as wisdom of man.

[ThePoisonedYouth]

@JesusTheMonotheist Wow okay, I guess you must be so much wiser than me, is that right? Ya know, what if i actually learn something from this? You could teach me some of your apparently divine wisdom and for your info I am willing to learn. I really hate it when religious piety ruins a good debate

[CristoYcruz]

@msm1876 So that makes you a rebellious sinner and a transgressor of God' eternal divine law which will hit you back upon your face if you don't repent because God is giving light to you and you will be accountable for what he has given you.