WOW!! More right wing misinformation (I like to say CRAP!) just to make unions look like animals or uncaring people. Come on people... do the research... there claims are crap!!
all of america should become right to work. collective bargaining should be outlawed for the public sector. do these two things and our economy would be trillions of times better.
These unions do not represent all of America.Their membership has declined in every sector. They represent a money machine for the Democrat Party.They demand mandatory union dues from public sector employees which not only infringe on the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech Rights of workers but they funnel the money to liberal candidates so they can get higher wages on the backs of the working class & middle class.The ends does not justify the corruption and bullying of the taxpayer & middle class
Just another reason why unions have to go. Auction off all school properties and hand out vouchers. Let the free market decide wages. Let the good schools thrive and bad schools die.
Let me translate this video: "If only we spent more money, no one would ever die."
The truth: If my child had a condition like this little girl, I (notice: "I") would take responsibility and not wait for the government to be the parent.
Now, with all that said, i still think there should have been unanimous support for this bill from all sectors, ESPECIALLY school medical professionals. My reasons for this are several, but mostly i believed they missed a golden opportunity to step up, be leaders on these issues, and bring the proper exposure to the situation.
So i think that those who are opposed are right to be vehemently opposed in principle. However, it's also (usually!) true in a situation like this that doing it wrong is a safter bet than not doing it at all. For example, an emergency tracheotomy. Yet you still have to have had some exposure to basic concepts, even if you have no practice.
In addition, Diastat is a drug, not a technique, which means it has contraindications - so you really should have some basic knowledge of a patient's medical history before you admister it, as you need to be prepared to deal with other complications. There are also basic procedures that one must be familiar with when handling a person having a seisure. The whole deal requires enough training that it would (or should) elevate someone from being a layperson to being an amature medic.
My guess is that school medical professionals are afraid of the trend: If laypersons are going to be receiving training on giving anal injections (NO small feat, btw), then what else are they going to be asked to do? An anal injection is a minimally invasive procedure that cannot be reasonably likened to CPR (a non-invasive procedure).
What's going on here? I've seen celebs doing PSAs about how more kids are being packed into each classroom, and i read about the ever-diminishing wages of teachers (relative to the cost of living). I hear about how bad American public school systems are in general. I hear about nurses being laid off and school officials having more duties piled on them. And now this.
Poetic justice would be walking up to find one of these union jerks on fire, with a fire extinguisher in your hand, and making them wait for the "professional" firefighters to come to put them out.
Unions were a good idea...like socialism, capitalism and all the rest...the issue lies in that implementation was done by people. and people can be greedy, self serving, and uncaring as the video shows. they're more concerned about every other issue but the lives of the children or others that could be saved. That in and of itself speaks volumes for the absolute corruption that exists in modern unions. American Lightning, anyone who thinks unions are innocent or pure ought to read that.
cta.org/Issues-and-Action/Legislation/Alerts/20100322.aspx they can't even spell correctly in their panic mode and they teach? the bill includes voluntary medical training...something that anyone after receiving the training could do...whether they are licensed, union, or non-union which is one of the stopping points for the unions. the other being possible legal action. even in the video the union rep could only say 'i heard of' rather than providing any proof concerning the drugs dangers.
As someone who is very pro union and a union member, this confuses me. With my union, if I need special training for something, say, high angle rescure training, first aid, etc, I get it or I can apply to get it. So, it seems odd to take away from someone's ability to be trained to potentially save someone's life when in need.
but the democrats say if you want to freeze education spending it is because youdon't care about the children. never mind we've sextupled our educational spending in the last 50 years without much to show for it. maybe just maybe we should change the whole system.
I agreewith the last statement made here. We do need better trained nurses in school but until that happens why not let the nurses available administer the drug.
@squirreljester2 i'm noticing the union's solutions are always spend more money. this is why the owrk that guys like Christie are doing is so important. if we can set a hard cap on spending then state gov'ts will have to find ways to solve problems without breaking the budget.
@umrmecheman The problem with caps and limitations like that is that it always impacts the workers first, and the most. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth.
These parents are stupid if they are continuing to send their kid to school under the circumstances. She needs to be around people who can administer the drug 100% of the time. They are responsible for her and if that means private school or homeschooling then that's what they have to do. Sure the unions are stupid, we already knew that. You couldn't pay me to send my kids to public school while healthy.
to appose a union initiate or policy position is completely fine, and i'm completely aware that corruption is sadly rampant in many unions, and I personally have huge grievances especially with the California teachers union, but with that said is the Teachers Union a murderous organization like a private health insurance company? ABSOLUTELY NOT, its members would never stand for it, especially an issue like this which would be close to the hearts of 100 of thousands of voting members
And why cant a teacher have opinions different from yours, long as they aren't bigoted or racist, do libertarians only care about the constitution when its convenient for them?
The video title to this is a ridiculous false dilemma, never clearly explains why the unions want children to die, to "grow" the union, why does this appose child health care? it only lists 1 reason among many for opposition that was selectively chosen to make their argument appear obscene
a group of ordinary ppl forming a united front to appose abuse, do you honestly believe they want children to die? a corporation has legal right to not care but a union is afforded a conscience under the law
All this vicious anger at unions? it really sickens me and at the same time is so ironic, you same libertarians who despise unions who with all their flaws (some corrupt union officials who are DESPISED by non corrupt union members) defend corporations who have a vested interest (and legal obligation) to choose profits over the well being of people, cry out against the most grassroots movement there is; labor unions, ordinary ppl asking for a little more democracy in society.
@SocialistaTribalista Pick up an economics text book for once in your life. Corporations promote the well being of people by providing them with goods and services including doctors and medicine. Unions are cartels that use collusion, which is illegal if anyone else does it, and political pressure to extort money out of productive individuals; without offering anything of value.
Unionists don't want more democracy, they want more money, and they get it by screwing over everyone else!
@insdel2004 and of course none of what you said was baseless subjective opinion.
a union is a democratic organization by definition, It doesnt matter if you dont like what they do.
without offering anything of value? even you couldnt believe this; weekends, minimum wage, benefits, pensions, maternity leave, safe working conditions, it is 3 times more likely to die in a non union mine than a unionized one, wages are on average 20% higher in unionized workplaces than non union.
@insdel2004 corporations are only one form, and a bad one at that, of industrial organization, the fact that corporations produce goods is not a good argument in favor of their existence. Like when ppl say corporations employ people so they are a positive on society, the Communist government of Cuba employs people, it produces goods, those facts in no way legitimize its existence.
Corporations are by law forced to take profits into account over a community's interests, if a corporate CEO ever is hit by a moment of altruism, he will be over ruled by his peers, if a corporation ever does a benefit to the community at the cost of profits, it has committed an illegal act (robbing its shareholders) and the action will be reversed.
Milton Friedman never hid the fact that corporations do not have a human conscience "A corporation is not socially responsible"
@SocialistaTribalista and yet a corporation of the most greedy kind who has competition in a free market will still deliver a better and cheaper product than an "altruistic" gov't run business. just look at the cars coming out of the USSR compared to that of America. Ours were cheaper, better, more reliable, etc despite the fact that we had profit. Of course we also have losses which means that the market is constantly putting resources into the most competent hands.
@umrmecheman Why do you people always respond instinctively without reading anything I stated? Where did I state support for central economic planning? where did I say a system similar to the USSR is preferable to produce? the opposite of capitalism isn't state-run capitalism, I made that point very clear if you had bothered to read what you responded to, I argue for democratic control of industry under workers control, a cooperative economy,disagree-fine, but its nothing to do with Politburos.
No one argues the failures of central economic planning, these issues were dealt with by socialists long before Von Mises' econ calculation problem, going back to Bakunin and Rosa Luxembourg.
I agree that goods can be made cheaply at times (though there is no such thing as a free market) but I disagree with supposed efficiency and quality, but that depends on the criteria of judgments, and natural market distortions make capitalism more theory than reality.
@SocialistaTribalista that is a lie. i work for adams thermal systems in canton south dakota. It is privately owned and teh CEO is part of the group of investors that bought out the company when it was going to be sold and closed by Behr. He donates 1% of all his gross sales which last year was 100 million. he gives his employees extra vacation time for volunteering outside of work.
the beauty of our economy should be that people are free to be altruistic or greedy as long as they dont violate
@umrmecheman I dont denounce private charities, but if your arguement is in favor of their structure its mixed, in many cases the private sector can cut off useless middle men, in others the private sector is the useless middle men, take Healthcare for example where the private sector can use 30% on overhead (ads, marketing, executive pay, etc) while the government equivalent spends merely 3%
@SocialistaTribalista other's rights. so manuy people are helped by charities like red cross and salvation army where the 90 cents of every dollar or more goes toactually relief. in the gov't agencies studies show it is more like 60 cents bc of red tape and overhead.
also you said you would want a command economy but a democratic one. i suppose you want something like venezuela then? one run by democratically elected officials who end up ruining economies just as the soviets did.
@umrmecheman First off I'm going to count you as as dogmatically ideological, you invent my support for command economics (which is the same as Central planning the way you use it) and you invent an imaginary system being built in Venezuela that has no relation to what you said, you also call me a liar? no of course we cant just respectfully disagree, I have to be a dirty liar right?
@SocialistaTribalista I didn't invetn anything. and how is venezuela not becoming a command economy. Chavez has instituted price controls (see food shortages that are now resulting), chavez has confiscated private property "for the good of the people", he continues to take more control of the economy bc that is what statist gov'ts (even ones democratically elected) will lead to.
and as to your crap argument about gov't doing things cheaper bc they have litle overhead it is the drive for
@umrmecheman "that is a lie. i work for..." quoting you calling me a liar, and now I'm an idiot, you libertarians sure know how to be civil, that's probably why you win so many elections, oh wait...
Ive seen the pictures of ppl rioting the streets of Honduras, and Mexico, Ive seen the riots in privatization rich Mozanbique last week, I see the riots in Colombia and financially deregulated Greece, whats your point? by your logic thats irrefutable proof of the illegitimacy of capitalism?
"financially deregulated Greece", When Libertarians lose, its never below them to take quotes out of context.
I'd LOVE for you to challenge me on this, that Greece's financial sector which imploded was not selling absurd short derivatives greater than their entire economy? that's not unregulated finance?
The internet, the only refuge for a failed ideology like libertarianism.
Greece had like 15% deficit, they(Greek government) faked their deficit numbers, it's cheaper to pay every passenger in the state run railroads to take a taxi than what it costs to run it. And then came the evil capitalists and ruined their socialistic paradise. Give me a break. I hope that those idiots riot themselves back into the stone age.
BTW US became one of the richest country because of the libertarianism. JFYI founders were libertarians.
There was undoubtedly corruption between the banks and the Greek government, how does that counter the fact of derivative short trading? how does that counter that lax banking regulations that allowed firms like Goldman Sachs to hide Greece's debt when they entered the Eurozone, it was because of the statistical agencies in the Eurozone that found these inaccuracies when the debt crisis across the world imploded. Which part of that is not true and give nonpartisan sources?
People who were stupid enough to buy the Greek debt should be broke, not bailed out by the German taxpayers. It's that simple. If GS cheated they should be fined and banksters who were involved should go to jail. But there should be no bailouts. And stop with that crap derivatives are financial WMDs. Greek debts was ALWAYS junk. It took the world some time to see it, but it's not something that happened because derivatives. Socialism&corporatism are financial WMD.
I couldnt care less about anecdotal ramblings about railroads rhetoric like "evil capitalists/socialist paradise".
And what a humanitarian you are, "I hope that those idiots riot themselves back into the stone age"
how much you care for the greek ppl, I hope Venezuela never gets the hospitality you want the right-wing rioters there to create, but I guess thats just what ppl like you want huh?
anecdotal my capitalistic ass. check out the facts- LOL we both know that you won't.
BTW I care for some people in Greece. I don't care for the leftist parasites. That think that world is evil when it doesn't want to give them more money.
One of the most important concepts in the American revolution was the Social Contract theory, vehemently apposed by most libertarians, an idea by Rousseau, by all accounts of his ideas a revolutionary socialist in the most radical terms.
Everyone wants to say the founders are a branch of there philosophy, someone hears "Liberty" and says Democrat, another Republican, etc.
u say libertarian. big surprise.
I say they were...slave owners, and Misogynists. who's most correct?
@umrmecheman You didnt invent everything, if you read deeply into anything involving Venezuelas economic plan it is to nationalize key industries and put them under direct workers control, with worker majority ownership, that was the plan behind Inveval, which now produces at record levels, thats the plan behind Tin mining, and industrial manufacturing.
my crap argument that you didnt respond to? 3% overhead for Medicare compared to 25-30% in private insurance, CBO numbers, not mine
BTW only sector where prices are falling is plastic surgery. Strange? What is even more strange that it is the only sector where there is a more or less pure free market.
@SocialistaTribalista that is what brings down the price of services and good. it is why cellphones get better and better while not going costing more and more. it is why Henry Ford invented the modern assembly process (in 12 months a model T dropped 23% in price due to efficiency gains).
When the gov't runs something there is no accountability to consumers bc they are the only game in town.
Finally in a free market economy you get to vote with your dollars. WHAT COULD BE MORE DEMOCRATIC?!?!
NOTE how I responded directly to every exact question you stated, you mentioned venezuelas economic plan, I responded, you mentioned the USSR had a cooperative economy, I corrected, you mentioned altruism and greed I responded. You refused to answer anything I said directly, I mentioned Venezuela's formation of cooperative economy in Bolivar state, you talk about TV stations, I'd be more than glad to set the record straight on Venezuela's politics, but that's a digression.
"I suppose you want something like venezuela then? one run by democratically elected officials who end up ruining economies just as the soviets did."
Where in the Soviet Union sir was there a democratically run factory? where in Moscow or Cuba where there independent trade unions?, where was this cooperative economy you claim that ruined the USSR? you claim the USSR is the Venezuelan model, where online shall I find these things?
answer directly or prove yurslf wrong w another tangent
As for Venezuela, your damn right I support the revolution, the actual one not your nonsensical fairytale invention, I support whats going on in Bolivar state where 30% of the economy will be turned over to workers in factories, mines, offices to democratically decide within there own workplaces how to run them, where workers have a vested interest in profit and continued stability, where incentives are correctly aligned to promote growth
@SocialistaTribalista i don't remember calling you a dirty liar but ok. also, have you seen what chavez has done in venezuela. He has now shut down all non-state run tv stations. only 2 free radio stations now exist. but hey i guess you gotta break some eggs right?
have you seen the pictures of people rioting because of electrical blackouts, food shortages, etc all a result of price controls and production quotas. no of course not, you are like sean penn a useful idiot who doesn't even know
@umrmecheman Reuters began reporting the electrical shortages, you must have forgotten the part of the article where it said "70% of Venezuela's electricity is produced from the Guri damn, which is running at record lows", so socialism is to blame for a record freak drought affecting Brazil and Colombia as well (you didnt catch the massive nationwide blackouts in Brazil, the rationing in Bogota)
Guri now runs at capacity, ending the shortage, Venezuela has added 1,700 MW to the national 17,000.
Where in the Soviet Union sir was there a democratically run factory? where in Moscow or Cuba where there independent trade unions?, where was this cooperative economy you claim that ruined the USSR?
And on the issue of altruism and greed, I personally dont care about someones personality, its an issue of the structure of a system I believe illegitimate, and that conversation involves subjects dogmatic people as yourself make impossible, so to be cordial-agree to disagree on that
Where is the line drawn when it comes to administering medications to school children? Do we have a school full of teachers or medical staff? Most of the time schools are underfunded to begin with which is usually caused by ...the voter not passing millage. What about the parents thinking "HEY, MY KID MAY DIE IF I SEND THEM TO SCHOOL AND THEY CANT GET (insert life saving medication here) ADMINSTERTED TO THEM. MAYBE I SHOULD CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE MEANS" rather than "what are YOU going to do?
Union greed! I deeply hate and resent unions so much. Fuck that stupid fat bitch in the pink! FUCKING unions! God damn they are so corrupt! I hate lawyers!
AS USUAL, the DESPICABLE UNIONS are spewing their LIES to protect their BIG UNION THUG BOSSES!!!!!!!!! Just look at their MENTOR ole barry the Socialist Muslim Kenyan, he couldn't say anything TRUTHFUL if his LIFE depended on it!!!!!
Not that it matters but you can't get more right than me. I believe in common sense and not adding to groups powers. I would rather see ALL unions disbanded. They frankly are the most selfish groups there are and serve noone but themselves. As far as the childs health. That is most important. I would like to hear what a the medical staffs say. Not unions.
I have noticed the libs are taking their normal positions. The real discussion should be not what the unions want but what is the best for the health of the child. I would want to know a. What are the health risk for this drug? b. What are the risk for a non-license person giving the drug. c. What would be the change of death if it wasn't used. Now if there is a increased change the child would live then the unions be damned and train the staff. If it is harmful then no, it should be.
This is not new drug.Valium has been around for years! Just more fricken politics, by unions, that put the children in more danger! Luckily, there are not many children who would require this treatment. So , in general, not a real hot bed issue. That is, of course, unless it is YOUR CHILD laying on the school room floor, dieing from status epilepticus!
But the teacher keeps a secret stash of the medication, right? This might risk getting fired, but failing to do so would risk having to watch a little girl die.
All union leaders put their interests in front of everything, NO EXCEPTIONS! Unions in 2010 are part of the class warfare being waged on the American people. Once the economic collapse gets deeper expect their members to hunt down and kill their leaders. Do not doubt for a second that spoiled union employees that lose their golden parachute will sit and take what the rest of us are going through. My step father is a union lover and it is going to be nice when that "I told you so" moment comes.
I really hate unions but I am split on this issue. On one hand I don't see the harm in having teachers volunteer for training, but on the other hand, when do we stop requiring so much of our education personnel? In many cases they are already doing the job of the parents.
What next? Also, in our litigious society I can totally see why some of these teachers wouldn't want this responsibility and you can bet if one teacher botches this procedure...lawsuit.
@davidrzr As a parent of a child that has a high risk of cardiac arrest, I want the teachers to be able to act and not stand and watch my child die. I can assure you that if that becomes my reality and some union asshole is the cause I will pay them a visit.
I don't like the way you label unions in general "against" children. I am A union member and i think it should be allowed..... seems to me it's lawyers and fear of liability that are creating the issue's at hand.... Common sense should be applied here not fear. But mudslinging Unions overall is a pathetic attempt to smear Unions in general. Do the Unions here represent the whole.. I think not... teachers Unions are questionable to include in Union conversation so why don't you stop mudslinging.
I love how the NURSE attempts to say PHYSICIAN'S don't understand what they're talking about.
Typical. I used to work in a clinic. There are many good nurses, but there are also nurses like the one above who think they know more than doctors. What a maroon.
I support unions, in theory. But the reality of unions has proven to be they are just as corrupt as the worst politician, power hungry as the biggest govt and as greedy as the largest corporation. Otherwise, Detroit would be a thriving, shiny Utopia, right? And California is quickly falling deeper and deeper into the same hole. How people still support these organizations is baffling to me.
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But thanks all you fake conservatives for your anti-union rants. That's exactly how Reason wanted to play you. That's why there's no mention of the lack of legal protections in this bill. No specific mention of the huge disparity in the number of nurses versus schools in the district and no further investigation by the fake journalist as to why that is. You've been played by someone who wants to pawn off a poorly researched wack job on unions as a conservatives "protecting children" puff piece.
This bailed out the unions, Obama promised the unions he would bail them out. Using the excuse and lies as usual, he painted this with save the kids. The truth is he does not give shit about your kids, and never has. We have been screwed again.
The real base problem here is the broken california state government. That is the real issue. The current lot are all paid off by special interest groups.
So if the bill died in committee then I take it mailing my representative to complain won't do any good? (CA resident and yeah I should know how my state makes laws but I don't).
@FatherTime89 Most CA reps don't care what the people think, but it might make you feel better. The only think they pay attention to is union money and who votes.
priorzola, I know you are having a hard time with this concept, but DEMOCRATS control funding for schools in California. DEMOCRATS. And they have for decades. STOP BLAMING THE GOP FOR THINGS THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
If the dems really cared about this issue they would have funded them along time ago. No exactly why do you oppose a simple life saving procedure?
Hate to tell you fake conservatives this while you're in a fake moral outrage about how "liberals" don't care about kids. The highest rates of infant mortality and uninsured children in this country appears in Red States and all the ass inhalers in the world won't change that fact. So while you're pretending that you care about children when what you secretly are doing is despising unions, conservative kids all over this country are put at risk for illness and death due to inadequate funding.
@priorzola yeah you dems just kill them 50,000,000 and counting..you were saying how dems love kids again? LMAO take your treasonous commie progressive insurgent propaganda and shove it up your america hating ass
Why is it that unions and liberals in general hate the idea of individuals making up their own minds? There is no reason that this shouldn't be an option for parents to to be able to choose or opt out of.
@HerrSchenkel stop falling for the false analogy that is presented by the heavily biased hit piece. Why do California law makers take short cuts to providing the best and most thorough care for their students while attempting to mandate that unqualified people perform procedures that the should and could be performed by real professionals is Senator Huff cared as much about children as he pretends to care about them. Even the father believes that having more nurses is a good idea.
@priorzola Yes, like the father, I'm not necessarily against more nurses. But in the meantime, why not give parents a viable option that they want which could potentially save their lives?
@HerrSchenkel there is something called the Good Samaritan law and the varying procedures and medicines that can be administered under said law vary from state to state. This way when no-medical professionals perform those procedures and administer those medicines, they can't be sued. This is called liability. This particular medicine has not been covered by this particular legislation. BTW, all of this info should have been contained in this report if it were truly unbiased.
@priorzola I know about that law, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about allowing teachers to voluntarily learn to administer the medication. If it's not under the Good Samaritan law and the teacher is concerned about liability, they don't have to train for it. Similarly, if the parent is concerned about the competence of teachers, they can opt out. It's about choice until problems such as nurse shortages and non coverage of the Good Samaritan law are addressed.
well according to libertarians, the kid shouldn't be in a public school in the first place because all public schools should be banned. Sorry, you can't have it both ways fake conservatives. You can't act like the public schools are useless and then put the onus of blame on them for their polticians inability to properly fund or protect them with his two bit half-a ss ed bill. Rewrite the bill and give the necessary legal protections if you can't be bothered to REALLY care for kids.
@priorzola Your logic is spellbinding. Wait, sorry, I meant your strawman is spellbinding. Try this: you fake liberals (?) want to force all kids to go to public schools and then refuse to treat their medical problems. Why do you want children to die priorzola? Why do you hate kids?
@jsminch well I don't send my kids to school for medical treatment any more than I go to a courtroom to get surgery done. If you want your kids to get medical treatment, provide them with medical professionals to do so. If you really cared about kids you wouldn't underfund your schools. Maybe fake conservatives are also simply faking their compassion just like the you are faking your outrage just so you can have one more reason to hate unions.
@priorzola Nobody sends their kids to school for medical care. This is EMERGENCY care not standard wellness checkups. There is no reason not to allow this besides the fact that unions want more dues. even the few minutes that it takes a scholl nurse to get there could cost a life. Not that you care.
@frednoname1 well there is a reason and that is the LEGAL fact that there are no provisions in the actual legislation for denial of legal claims against improper or ineffectual use. Of course, with this anti-union hit piece which is all that you are basing your decidely biased opinion on, you wouldn't know about those legal issues because no legal expert is even asked to speak. This thrust of this piece is that unions are bad not that the legislation is POOR and INADEQUATE.
@frednoname1 the GOP who devised their tax code have sentenced these kids to death by not giving them the required amount of medical professionals needed to care for their needs. If Senator Huff had the balls this reporter is implying he has, he would fix the SYSTEMIC problem with underserved California school districts instead of the quick fixes that don't protect teachers, nurses or students effectively.
@frednoname1 but what we've established with you is that you're full of fake moral outrage and ill-informed talking points and STILL no legal leg to stand on.
@frednoname1 BTW, poor and inadequate would be how I would also describe Ted Balaker's reporting and the false premise that he's setting up with this "reporting" (ie libertarian talking point bonanza). Maybe if you were armed with facts instead of Reason's standard "free market good, unions bad" drivel you'd actually have a point. Plus if you actually read the legislation and know anything about the California tax code you're comments would be relevant. As you know neither, your comments are not
@priorzola how stupid. if you have asthma you DO take your inhaler to court, this girl basiclly needs to be allowed to have others administer her fast acting inhaler...up her butt.
@priorzola So the only way to "really" care for kids is to spend millions more on nurses that will not get there for months, and will probably only call 911 anyway when an hours worth of training to teachers could solve the problem today.
@frednoname1 to really care is to put your money where your mouth is even if it defies your irrational fear of unions not conjure up quick fixes with implementing the proper protections for all parties involved. Fake conservativism at it's best. Place the onus of responsibility on people who you openly distrust (let alone constantly underfund) and then don't even extend the basic legal protectiong for those heightened responsibilities.
@priorzola Unions are not bad if they stay non-political. They have thier uses. But this is blatantly a money grab from unions. They were the only ones opposed. The procedure is safe after a small bit of training. It would save lives RIGHT NOW and cost alot less. Doing this in no way prevents hiring a school nurse. it just allows teachers to save lives now.
You keep on saying fund the schools yet refuse to see that THERE IS NO MONEY TO DO SO. So your solution is unworkable anyway.
@frednoname1 did you have a school nurse when you went to school? If you had a potentially fatal condition would you feel safe knowing that you don't and the reason you don't is that 40 years ago a political party held your tax code hostage for quick political gain instead of for the long-term needs of your citizens?
@priorzola Earth to priorzola. DEMOCRATS control califonia. NOT republicans. Quit trying to shift the blame.
this procedure does not require a medical professional. You seem to have missed or are ingoring that point. Democrats blocked a life saving procedure that costs the state almost nothing just so unions can get more of thier people in there.
@frednoname1 sorry the Senator is playing with kids lives by underserving his constituency and trying to find a quick fix for those inadequacies. But what do you expect for a "compassionate conservative". Sorry I cut your funding to prove that I really care. Here's a lollipop to make you feel better.
@priorzola So allowing people to save other peoples lives is "inadequacy"??
BTW quick question, where are they going to get the money for nurses? The whole state is bankrupt. So instead of having multiple people trained to do this simple procedure, the kids will die waiting for the state to find millions to fund more UNION school nurses. I wonder who benefits from that? Oh yeah... UNIONS...
@frednoname1 maybe they can change their antiquated tax code put in place by the reactionary republicans in the 1970s. Prop 13 has failed California and it needs to be repealed but Republicans of that era made sure to put in the most severe tax code augmentation procedures of any state in the union. But what do you expect from a GOP tax code. They're constantly under-serving their citizens with their short-sighted fiscal policies.
@frednoname1 obviously you have no clue about California's tax codes & when they were devised. I know you love to use it as a talking point but at least inform yourself of the talking points you use. Look up PROP 13 & how it effects the California property tax (one of the lowest in the country). Property tax is the one most integrally tied to school funding and California's GOP devised one is inadequate just like school funding in many a Red State.
@priorzola SIGH.... You talk about a tax code from the 70s. Thats 40 years for the dnc to fix it. They didn't, so either they are worthless or have no problem with it.
@frednoname1 Let me explain this tax code. It is the only one in the country where a 2/3 majority is required to change it. There has never been a 2/3 majority democratic legislature in California in that 40 years. Those stringent requirements were purposeful so that the codes won't easily be changed and thus they have not been changed. And since the GOP lacked any foresight on what the growing needs of their growing state would be in the future, their school children now have to SUFFER.
@frednoname1 Yes, the union is using this issue to try and pry more money from the system. There is a desperate lack of Nurses in schools. One post said 6 nurses for 42 schools I believe. Yes fighting this issue is bad for the kids, but if the union does not stand up and fight there will be no more Nurses in schools.
School Funding is FUBAR. A normal school lunch now costs something like 60 cents to serve. Do you really think that's filling and nutritious?
@SpamSpamNEggs Thats a problem, A SEPERATE problem. Just because there is a lack of funding for nurses, doesn't mean that it should be illegal to perform a simple life saving percedure you can teach in less that 5 minutes.
@frednoname1 In a logical, reasonable, sane world I would agree it is a separate problem. Polotics is not logical reasonable or sane. The only way to pry money out of the government's hands is with a "Crisis". Any individual problem can be solved without adding cost, so the Union needs to invent a crisis. This just happens to be the issue they picked for "School Nurse crisis" it has nothing to do with the "poor children" suffering without medication.
This is mostly all in defense of Unions. The issues are almost never as simple as they are presented in any sort of Media. Many of the issues would take a few weeks of study to really understand, not a 30 second sound bite.
As I said before, the school funding is FUBAR. I think the best solution is to do away with public schools, but not public funding......a voucher program. Then you can choose a school that has a nurse if that's important.
@SpamSpamNEggs Oh I know what its about. Thats what pisses me off. This is an easy fix that would cost much. But the unions are using it to get funding for a completely different program.
Worrying about child molestation and medical malpractice aren't small concerns. This is a dumb video and a dumb point made by Reason. Will the State agree to pay out any judgement if something goes wrong?
@Brambledemon how about REASON TV pay for those lawsuits. The fact is that the county is woefully underserved w/ school nurses. There are 600 schools in the district with only 239 nurses. That's all thanks to the unwillingness of school districts to properly fund the FULL needs of their schools and if Senator Huff was serious about the safety of kids, he'd address that issue and if Ted Balaker were a real journalist instead of a libertarian talking point machine, he'd mention those numbers, too.
@nicademus1974 then go back and tell the CAPITALISTS who demanded that there be public schools in the 19th century in the first place that teabagging talking point. I know education didn't take with you but the fact of the matter is that the prime reason our nation went from being a bunch of hicks in the woods to organized cities that generate wealth and a middle class consumer market of our own is because of the advent of PUBLIC EDUCATION that formed an educated workforce.
@priorzola Your wrong. Public schooling was implemented by the "central planners". It was imported from the Prussian Empire as a way to control and brainwash the citizenry. Public Education had nothing to do with forming an educated workforce. The fact that you need to be educated to compete in an increasingly higher tech world is why people are more educated. The whole premise of mandatory schooling is that parents have to be forced to educate their children. I don't buy that.
@nicademus1974 the fact that IMMIGRANTS who formed a growing portion of our industrial base needed to learn basic skills to follow instructions & to communicate with their bosses and fellow employees is why people are more educated. New technlogies only reinforce that continued need. Removing that education only means that people cannot compete for those high tech jobs. Why do libertarians resist being able to compete so much? Maybe because the theory has failed everytime it has had to compete.
WOW!! More right wing misinformation (I like to say CRAP!) just to make unions look like animals or uncaring people. Come on people... do the research... there claims are crap!!
amnman 4 months ago
Quick fix Hire more Nurses .Less couches.
dollgonegood 5 months ago
Quick fix Hire more Nurses .Less couches.
dollgonegood 5 months ago
all of america should become right to work. collective bargaining should be outlawed for the public sector. do these two things and our economy would be trillions of times better.
lvll138inrs 6 months ago
WHy do UNIONS even get to speak on this issue.
mcihak1219 10 months ago 2
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Fuck the UNIONs, and FUCK YOU OBAMA!
UCSDEngineerDoctor 10 months ago
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Fuck the UNIONS and fuck OBAMA!!!
UCSDEngineerDoctor 10 months ago
close public schools
longfootbuddy 10 months ago
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These unions do not represent all of America.Their membership has declined in every sector. They represent a money machine for the Democrat Party.They demand mandatory union dues from public sector employees which not only infringe on the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech Rights of workers but they funnel the money to liberal candidates so they can get higher wages on the backs of the working class & middle class.The ends does not justify the corruption and bullying of the taxpayer & middle class
BlackRepublican2010 11 months ago
Just another reason why unions have to go. Auction off all school properties and hand out vouchers. Let the free market decide wages. Let the good schools thrive and bad schools die.
megagagnon1 11 months ago
Get that poor little girl some medicinal cannabis, her seizures will go away and her tumors may even begin to shrink.
fleckx 11 months ago
Let me translate this video: "If only we spent more money, no one would ever die."
The truth: If my child had a condition like this little girl, I (notice: "I") would take responsibility and not wait for the government to be the parent.
octopibingo 1 year ago
The fact that teachers in Wisconsin would call out sick for 3 days at school to be at union protest tells you all about where their loyalty lies.
ace8842 1 year ago 3
HOLY SHIT UNIONS AH! Ya'll mathafuckers are shameless. Libertarians are just apologist conservatives.
b2tama 1 year ago
@b2tama Wrong.
trexasaurusrex 1 year ago
@trexasaurusrex correct
b2tama 1 year ago
This issue is serious but is a drop in the ocean. The problem is the involvement of the state in schools.
In a private school system, the parent could sign a waiver allowing the teacher/s to adminster it.
End of story. No need to get politicians and unions involved.
LibertyDownUnder 1 year ago
Now, with all that said, i still think there should have been unanimous support for this bill from all sectors, ESPECIALLY school medical professionals. My reasons for this are several, but mostly i believed they missed a golden opportunity to step up, be leaders on these issues, and bring the proper exposure to the situation.
vclxrr 1 year ago 2
So i think that those who are opposed are right to be vehemently opposed in principle. However, it's also (usually!) true in a situation like this that doing it wrong is a safter bet than not doing it at all. For example, an emergency tracheotomy. Yet you still have to have had some exposure to basic concepts, even if you have no practice.
vclxrr 1 year ago
In addition, Diastat is a drug, not a technique, which means it has contraindications - so you really should have some basic knowledge of a patient's medical history before you admister it, as you need to be prepared to deal with other complications. There are also basic procedures that one must be familiar with when handling a person having a seisure. The whole deal requires enough training that it would (or should) elevate someone from being a layperson to being an amature medic.
vclxrr 1 year ago
My guess is that school medical professionals are afraid of the trend: If laypersons are going to be receiving training on giving anal injections (NO small feat, btw), then what else are they going to be asked to do? An anal injection is a minimally invasive procedure that cannot be reasonably likened to CPR (a non-invasive procedure).
vclxrr 1 year ago
What's going on here? I've seen celebs doing PSAs about how more kids are being packed into each classroom, and i read about the ever-diminishing wages of teachers (relative to the cost of living). I hear about how bad American public school systems are in general. I hear about nurses being laid off and school officials having more duties piled on them. And now this.
vclxrr 1 year ago
Union Scum!!! Outlaw all public sector unions.
greifreiter 1 year ago
@greifreiter Unions aren't evil.
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papeluso 1 year ago
hahahaha, they oppose it because the drug must be administered where the poopoo comes?
Dear yanks, perhaps it's time to grow up? :P
Darusdei 1 year ago
Poetic justice would be walking up to find one of these union jerks on fire, with a fire extinguisher in your hand, and making them wait for the "professional" firefighters to come to put them out.
jasonnm72 1 year ago 17
Unions were a good idea...like socialism, capitalism and all the rest...the issue lies in that implementation was done by people. and people can be greedy, self serving, and uncaring as the video shows. they're more concerned about every other issue but the lives of the children or others that could be saved. That in and of itself speaks volumes for the absolute corruption that exists in modern unions. American Lightning, anyone who thinks unions are innocent or pure ought to read that.
DeadSpaceX 1 year ago
cta.org/Issues-and-Action/Legislation/Alerts/20100322.aspx they can't even spell correctly in their panic mode and they teach? the bill includes voluntary medical training...something that anyone after receiving the training could do...whether they are licensed, union, or non-union which is one of the stopping points for the unions. the other being possible legal action. even in the video the union rep could only say 'i heard of' rather than providing any proof concerning the drugs dangers.
DeadSpaceX 1 year ago
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DeadSpaceX 1 year ago
I don't understand. The obvious issue is lawsuit. Any responsible discussion would have to include this.
Therefore, no doubt this is NOT a responsible discussion of the issue at all.
And I'm not involved in any way on any side of this... but the lawsuit issue is SCREAMINGLY ABSENT in this discussion.
I would lay BIG BIG MONEY that the legislation FAILS to protect the teachers from lawsuit, JUST on the fact this video so blatantly omits it.
raymundogard 1 year ago
There is nothing wrong with collective bargaining.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
Time for unions t be abolished. nuff said
hawkerdoo 1 year ago
As someone who is very pro union and a union member, this confuses me. With my union, if I need special training for something, say, high angle rescure training, first aid, etc, I get it or I can apply to get it. So, it seems odd to take away from someone's ability to be trained to potentially save someone's life when in need.
andrewisgood 1 year ago
but the democrats say if you want to freeze education spending it is because youdon't care about the children. never mind we've sextupled our educational spending in the last 50 years without much to show for it. maybe just maybe we should change the whole system.
umrmecheman 1 year ago
union scum up against the wall
dmancornell 1 year ago
I agreewith the last statement made here. We do need better trained nurses in school but until that happens why not let the nurses available administer the drug.
gfreakj 1 year ago
So why the hell can't you just send someone down the hall to the nurses's office?
squirreljester2 1 year ago 2
@squirreljester2 i'm noticing the union's solutions are always spend more money. this is why the owrk that guys like Christie are doing is so important. if we can set a hard cap on spending then state gov'ts will have to find ways to solve problems without breaking the budget.
umrmecheman 1 year ago
@umrmecheman The problem with caps and limitations like that is that it always impacts the workers first, and the most. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
These parents are stupid if they are continuing to send their kid to school under the circumstances. She needs to be around people who can administer the drug 100% of the time. They are responsible for her and if that means private school or homeschooling then that's what they have to do. Sure the unions are stupid, we already knew that. You couldn't pay me to send my kids to public school while healthy.
shelly8510 1 year ago
to appose a union initiate or policy position is completely fine, and i'm completely aware that corruption is sadly rampant in many unions, and I personally have huge grievances especially with the California teachers union, but with that said is the Teachers Union a murderous organization like a private health insurance company? ABSOLUTELY NOT, its members would never stand for it, especially an issue like this which would be close to the hearts of 100 of thousands of voting members
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista
You're a teacher? Oh my god.
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@Nintendomanwill
who said I was a teacher?
And why cant a teacher have opinions different from yours, long as they aren't bigoted or racist, do libertarians only care about the constitution when its convenient for them?
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
The video title to this is a ridiculous false dilemma, never clearly explains why the unions want children to die, to "grow" the union, why does this appose child health care? it only lists 1 reason among many for opposition that was selectively chosen to make their argument appear obscene
a group of ordinary ppl forming a united front to appose abuse, do you honestly believe they want children to die? a corporation has legal right to not care but a union is afforded a conscience under the law
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
All this vicious anger at unions? it really sickens me and at the same time is so ironic, you same libertarians who despise unions who with all their flaws (some corrupt union officials who are DESPISED by non corrupt union members) defend corporations who have a vested interest (and legal obligation) to choose profits over the well being of people, cry out against the most grassroots movement there is; labor unions, ordinary ppl asking for a little more democracy in society.
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista Pick up an economics text book for once in your life. Corporations promote the well being of people by providing them with goods and services including doctors and medicine. Unions are cartels that use collusion, which is illegal if anyone else does it, and political pressure to extort money out of productive individuals; without offering anything of value.
Unionists don't want more democracy, they want more money, and they get it by screwing over everyone else!
insdel2004 1 year ago
@insdel2004 and of course none of what you said was baseless subjective opinion.
a union is a democratic organization by definition, It doesnt matter if you dont like what they do.
without offering anything of value? even you couldnt believe this; weekends, minimum wage, benefits, pensions, maternity leave, safe working conditions, it is 3 times more likely to die in a non union mine than a unionized one, wages are on average 20% higher in unionized workplaces than non union.
good for nothing
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@insdel2004 corporations are only one form, and a bad one at that, of industrial organization, the fact that corporations produce goods is not a good argument in favor of their existence. Like when ppl say corporations employ people so they are a positive on society, the Communist government of Cuba employs people, it produces goods, those facts in no way legitimize its existence.
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@insdel2004
Corporations are by law forced to take profits into account over a community's interests, if a corporate CEO ever is hit by a moment of altruism, he will be over ruled by his peers, if a corporation ever does a benefit to the community at the cost of profits, it has committed an illegal act (robbing its shareholders) and the action will be reversed.
Milton Friedman never hid the fact that corporations do not have a human conscience "A corporation is not socially responsible"
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista and yet a corporation of the most greedy kind who has competition in a free market will still deliver a better and cheaper product than an "altruistic" gov't run business. just look at the cars coming out of the USSR compared to that of America. Ours were cheaper, better, more reliable, etc despite the fact that we had profit. Of course we also have losses which means that the market is constantly putting resources into the most competent hands.
umrmecheman 1 year ago
@umrmecheman Why do you people always respond instinctively without reading anything I stated? Where did I state support for central economic planning? where did I say a system similar to the USSR is preferable to produce? the opposite of capitalism isn't state-run capitalism, I made that point very clear if you had bothered to read what you responded to, I argue for democratic control of industry under workers control, a cooperative economy,disagree-fine, but its nothing to do with Politburos.
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
No one argues the failures of central economic planning, these issues were dealt with by socialists long before Von Mises' econ calculation problem, going back to Bakunin and Rosa Luxembourg.
I agree that goods can be made cheaply at times (though there is no such thing as a free market) but I disagree with supposed efficiency and quality, but that depends on the criteria of judgments, and natural market distortions make capitalism more theory than reality.
but that's another boring discussion
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista that is a lie. i work for adams thermal systems in canton south dakota. It is privately owned and teh CEO is part of the group of investors that bought out the company when it was going to be sold and closed by Behr. He donates 1% of all his gross sales which last year was 100 million. he gives his employees extra vacation time for volunteering outside of work.
the beauty of our economy should be that people are free to be altruistic or greedy as long as they dont violate
umrmecheman 1 year ago
@umrmecheman I dont denounce private charities, but if your arguement is in favor of their structure its mixed, in many cases the private sector can cut off useless middle men, in others the private sector is the useless middle men, take Healthcare for example where the private sector can use 30% on overhead (ads, marketing, executive pay, etc) while the government equivalent spends merely 3%
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista other's rights. so manuy people are helped by charities like red cross and salvation army where the 90 cents of every dollar or more goes toactually relief. in the gov't agencies studies show it is more like 60 cents bc of red tape and overhead.
also you said you would want a command economy but a democratic one. i suppose you want something like venezuela then? one run by democratically elected officials who end up ruining economies just as the soviets did.
umrmecheman 1 year ago
@umrmecheman First off I'm going to count you as as dogmatically ideological, you invent my support for command economics (which is the same as Central planning the way you use it) and you invent an imaginary system being built in Venezuela that has no relation to what you said, you also call me a liar? no of course we cant just respectfully disagree, I have to be a dirty liar right?
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista I didn't invetn anything. and how is venezuela not becoming a command economy. Chavez has instituted price controls (see food shortages that are now resulting), chavez has confiscated private property "for the good of the people", he continues to take more control of the economy bc that is what statist gov'ts (even ones democratically elected) will lead to.
and as to your crap argument about gov't doing things cheaper bc they have litle overhead it is the drive for
umrmecheman 1 year ago
@umrmecheman "that is a lie. i work for..." quoting you calling me a liar, and now I'm an idiot, you libertarians sure know how to be civil, that's probably why you win so many elections, oh wait...
Ive seen the pictures of ppl rioting the streets of Honduras, and Mexico, Ive seen the riots in privatization rich Mozanbique last week, I see the riots in Colombia and financially deregulated Greece, whats your point? by your logic thats irrefutable proof of the illegitimacy of capitalism?
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista
"deregulated Greece"
best joke of the year
Voy2378 1 year ago
@Voy2378
"financially deregulated Greece", When Libertarians lose, its never below them to take quotes out of context.
I'd LOVE for you to challenge me on this, that Greece's financial sector which imploded was not selling absurd short derivatives greater than their entire economy? that's not unregulated finance?
The internet, the only refuge for a failed ideology like libertarianism.
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista
Greece had like 15% deficit, they(Greek government) faked their deficit numbers, it's cheaper to pay every passenger in the state run railroads to take a taxi than what it costs to run it. And then came the evil capitalists and ruined their socialistic paradise. Give me a break. I hope that those idiots riot themselves back into the stone age.
BTW US became one of the richest country because of the libertarianism. JFYI founders were libertarians.
Voy2378 1 year ago
@Voy2378
There was undoubtedly corruption between the banks and the Greek government, how does that counter the fact of derivative short trading? how does that counter that lax banking regulations that allowed firms like Goldman Sachs to hide Greece's debt when they entered the Eurozone, it was because of the statistical agencies in the Eurozone that found these inaccuracies when the debt crisis across the world imploded. Which part of that is not true and give nonpartisan sources?
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista
People who were stupid enough to buy the Greek debt should be broke, not bailed out by the German taxpayers. It's that simple. If GS cheated they should be fined and banksters who were involved should go to jail. But there should be no bailouts. And stop with that crap derivatives are financial WMDs. Greek debts was ALWAYS junk. It took the world some time to see it, but it's not something that happened because derivatives. Socialism&corporatism are financial WMD.
Voy2378 1 year ago
@Voy2378
I couldnt care less about anecdotal ramblings about railroads rhetoric like "evil capitalists/socialist paradise".
And what a humanitarian you are, "I hope that those idiots riot themselves back into the stone age"
how much you care for the greek ppl, I hope Venezuela never gets the hospitality you want the right-wing rioters there to create, but I guess thats just what ppl like you want huh?
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista
anecdotal my capitalistic ass. check out the facts- LOL we both know that you won't.
BTW I care for some people in Greece. I don't care for the leftist parasites. That think that world is evil when it doesn't want to give them more money.
Voy2378 1 year ago
@Voy2378
One of the most important concepts in the American revolution was the Social Contract theory, vehemently apposed by most libertarians, an idea by Rousseau, by all accounts of his ideas a revolutionary socialist in the most radical terms.
Everyone wants to say the founders are a branch of there philosophy, someone hears "Liberty" and says Democrat, another Republican, etc.
u say libertarian. big surprise.
I say they were...slave owners, and Misogynists. who's most correct?
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@umrmecheman You didnt invent everything, if you read deeply into anything involving Venezuelas economic plan it is to nationalize key industries and put them under direct workers control, with worker majority ownership, that was the plan behind Inveval, which now produces at record levels, thats the plan behind Tin mining, and industrial manufacturing.
my crap argument that you didnt respond to? 3% overhead for Medicare compared to 25-30% in private insurance, CBO numbers, not mine
check mate
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista
3% overhead in the Medicare. LOL
BTW only sector where prices are falling is plastic surgery. Strange? What is even more strange that it is the only sector where there is a more or less pure free market.
Voy2378 1 year ago
@Voy2378
"3% overhead in the Medicare. LOL"
I didn't know LOL was an argument, what a compelling case you make.
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista that is what brings down the price of services and good. it is why cellphones get better and better while not going costing more and more. it is why Henry Ford invented the modern assembly process (in 12 months a model T dropped 23% in price due to efficiency gains).
When the gov't runs something there is no accountability to consumers bc they are the only game in town.
Finally in a free market economy you get to vote with your dollars. WHAT COULD BE MORE DEMOCRATIC?!?!
umrmecheman 1 year ago
@umrmecheman
NOTE how I responded directly to every exact question you stated, you mentioned venezuelas economic plan, I responded, you mentioned the USSR had a cooperative economy, I corrected, you mentioned altruism and greed I responded. You refused to answer anything I said directly, I mentioned Venezuela's formation of cooperative economy in Bolivar state, you talk about TV stations, I'd be more than glad to set the record straight on Venezuela's politics, but that's a digression.
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago 4
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"I suppose you want something like venezuela then? one run by democratically elected officials who end up ruining economies just as the soviets did."
Where in the Soviet Union sir was there a democratically run factory? where in Moscow or Cuba where there independent trade unions?, where was this cooperative economy you claim that ruined the USSR? you claim the USSR is the Venezuelan model, where online shall I find these things?
answer directly or prove yurslf wrong w another tangent
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@umrmecheman
As for Venezuela, your damn right I support the revolution, the actual one not your nonsensical fairytale invention, I support whats going on in Bolivar state where 30% of the economy will be turned over to workers in factories, mines, offices to democratically decide within there own workplaces how to run them, where workers have a vested interest in profit and continued stability, where incentives are correctly aligned to promote growth
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@SocialistaTribalista i don't remember calling you a dirty liar but ok. also, have you seen what chavez has done in venezuela. He has now shut down all non-state run tv stations. only 2 free radio stations now exist. but hey i guess you gotta break some eggs right?
have you seen the pictures of people rioting because of electrical blackouts, food shortages, etc all a result of price controls and production quotas. no of course not, you are like sean penn a useful idiot who doesn't even know
umrmecheman 1 year ago
@umrmecheman Reuters began reporting the electrical shortages, you must have forgotten the part of the article where it said "70% of Venezuela's electricity is produced from the Guri damn, which is running at record lows", so socialism is to blame for a record freak drought affecting Brazil and Colombia as well (you didnt catch the massive nationwide blackouts in Brazil, the rationing in Bogota)
Guri now runs at capacity, ending the shortage, Venezuela has added 1,700 MW to the national 17,000.
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
@umrmecheman
Where in the Soviet Union sir was there a democratically run factory? where in Moscow or Cuba where there independent trade unions?, where was this cooperative economy you claim that ruined the USSR?
And on the issue of altruism and greed, I personally dont care about someones personality, its an issue of the structure of a system I believe illegitimate, and that conversation involves subjects dogmatic people as yourself make impossible, so to be cordial-agree to disagree on that
SocialistaTribalista 1 year ago
Where is the line drawn when it comes to administering medications to school children? Do we have a school full of teachers or medical staff? Most of the time schools are underfunded to begin with which is usually caused by ...the voter not passing millage. What about the parents thinking "HEY, MY KID MAY DIE IF I SEND THEM TO SCHOOL AND THEY CANT GET (insert life saving medication here) ADMINSTERTED TO THEM. MAYBE I SHOULD CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE MEANS" rather than "what are YOU going to do?
anotherchavez 1 year ago
This is outrageous.
I HATE living in California. This state is owned by unions.
Good job, Arnie.
CLaneWilson 1 year ago
Union greed! I deeply hate and resent unions so much. Fuck that stupid fat bitch in the pink! FUCKING unions! God damn they are so corrupt! I hate lawyers!
LovesMassEffect 1 year ago
AS USUAL, the DESPICABLE UNIONS are spewing their LIES to protect their BIG UNION THUG BOSSES!!!!!!!!! Just look at their MENTOR ole barry the Socialist Muslim Kenyan, he couldn't say anything TRUTHFUL if his LIFE depended on it!!!!!
eugenemichigan 1 year ago 2
Not that it matters but you can't get more right than me. I believe in common sense and not adding to groups powers. I would rather see ALL unions disbanded. They frankly are the most selfish groups there are and serve noone but themselves. As far as the childs health. That is most important. I would like to hear what a the medical staffs say. Not unions.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
I have noticed the libs are taking their normal positions. The real discussion should be not what the unions want but what is the best for the health of the child. I would want to know a. What are the health risk for this drug? b. What are the risk for a non-license person giving the drug. c. What would be the change of death if it wasn't used. Now if there is a increased change the child would live then the unions be damned and train the staff. If it is harmful then no, it should be.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
These unions are disgusting.
thebronze 1 year ago
This is not new drug.Valium has been around for years! Just more fricken politics, by unions, that put the children in more danger! Luckily, there are not many children who would require this treatment. So , in general, not a real hot bed issue. That is, of course, unless it is YOUR CHILD laying on the school room floor, dieing from status epilepticus!
mlang52 1 year ago
But the teacher keeps a secret stash of the medication, right? This might risk getting fired, but failing to do so would risk having to watch a little girl die.
ghuegel 1 year ago
All union leaders put their interests in front of everything, NO EXCEPTIONS! Unions in 2010 are part of the class warfare being waged on the American people. Once the economic collapse gets deeper expect their members to hunt down and kill their leaders. Do not doubt for a second that spoiled union employees that lose their golden parachute will sit and take what the rest of us are going through. My step father is a union lover and it is going to be nice when that "I told you so" moment comes.
smhutson 1 year ago
Watched it again, guess I missed the fact that the union blocked the aspect that teachers could volunteer for it, ya this is messed up.
davidrzr 1 year ago 2
I really hate unions but I am split on this issue. On one hand I don't see the harm in having teachers volunteer for training, but on the other hand, when do we stop requiring so much of our education personnel? In many cases they are already doing the job of the parents.
What next? Also, in our litigious society I can totally see why some of these teachers wouldn't want this responsibility and you can bet if one teacher botches this procedure...lawsuit.
davidrzr 1 year ago
@davidrzr As a parent of a child that has a high risk of cardiac arrest, I want the teachers to be able to act and not stand and watch my child die. I can assure you that if that becomes my reality and some union asshole is the cause I will pay them a visit.
smhutson 1 year ago
I wonder if parents ever realize that NOT putting children in school is healthy and safe, especially for children with conditions like this.
gxkj 1 year ago
I don't like the way you label unions in general "against" children. I am A union member and i think it should be allowed..... seems to me it's lawyers and fear of liability that are creating the issue's at hand.... Common sense should be applied here not fear. But mudslinging Unions overall is a pathetic attempt to smear Unions in general. Do the Unions here represent the whole.. I think not... teachers Unions are questionable to include in Union conversation so why don't you stop mudslinging.
MrPeoplesArmy 1 year ago
I love how the NURSE attempts to say PHYSICIAN'S don't understand what they're talking about.
Typical. I used to work in a clinic. There are many good nurses, but there are also nurses like the one above who think they know more than doctors. What a maroon.
controlclerk 1 year ago
None of the Parents are opposed. Only the Unions. It's sick.
DoomHippie 1 year ago
socialists/union mouth breathers want this girl to just die to help the bottom line
aallppiinnee 1 year ago
Freeedom!!!
Zooksboardshop 1 year ago
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Zooksboardshop 1 year ago
Why is it that teachers ALL take CPR classes and will administer CPR to another teacher without any hesitation????
I don't get it. They will get training and provide CPR to another teacher to save his or her life .....but won't do the same for a child?
MrYoubrian 1 year ago
Wow. Fail ReasonTV. Just fail.
Bear5177 1 year ago
I support unions, in theory. But the reality of unions has proven to be they are just as corrupt as the worst politician, power hungry as the biggest govt and as greedy as the largest corporation. Otherwise, Detroit would be a thriving, shiny Utopia, right? And California is quickly falling deeper and deeper into the same hole. How people still support these organizations is baffling to me.
Lurple 1 year ago 9
@Lurple California is already there :(
Yuri92001 1 year ago
If you were that worried about your childs saftey, you would home school or independent study. why risk it?
BrianINtheNO 1 year ago
Unions will be the ruination of this country.
BrotherOrchid 1 year ago 2
Home School.
elktwinmomma 1 year ago
I just cannot understand the logic here. P.C. should not THREATEN PEOPLES' LIVES!!!!!!!!
Wormtail81 1 year ago
If unions are cut off, kids won't die!
dgallegos4201 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
But thanks all you fake conservatives for your anti-union rants. That's exactly how Reason wanted to play you. That's why there's no mention of the lack of legal protections in this bill. No specific mention of the huge disparity in the number of nurses versus schools in the district and no further investigation by the fake journalist as to why that is. You've been played by someone who wants to pawn off a poorly researched wack job on unions as a conservatives "protecting children" puff piece.
priorzola 1 year ago
This bailed out the unions, Obama promised the unions he would bail them out. Using the excuse and lies as usual, he painted this with save the kids. The truth is he does not give shit about your kids, and never has. We have been screwed again.
TheImpeacher 1 year ago 2
The real base problem here is the broken california state government. That is the real issue. The current lot are all paid off by special interest groups.
frednoname1 1 year ago
So if the bill died in committee then I take it mailing my representative to complain won't do any good? (CA resident and yeah I should know how my state makes laws but I don't).
FatherTime89 1 year ago
@FatherTime89 Most CA reps don't care what the people think, but it might make you feel better. The only think they pay attention to is union money and who votes.
frednoname1 1 year ago
priorzola, I know you are having a hard time with this concept, but DEMOCRATS control funding for schools in California. DEMOCRATS. And they have for decades. STOP BLAMING THE GOP FOR THINGS THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
If the dems really cared about this issue they would have funded them along time ago. No exactly why do you oppose a simple life saving procedure?
frednoname1 1 year ago
union jobs of course
Mostdef 1 year ago
Hate to tell you fake conservatives this while you're in a fake moral outrage about how "liberals" don't care about kids. The highest rates of infant mortality and uninsured children in this country appears in Red States and all the ass inhalers in the world won't change that fact. So while you're pretending that you care about children when what you secretly are doing is despising unions, conservative kids all over this country are put at risk for illness and death due to inadequate funding.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola yeah you dems just kill them 50,000,000 and counting..you were saying how dems love kids again? LMAO take your treasonous commie progressive insurgent propaganda and shove it up your america hating ass
HangProgressives 1 year ago
0:33 Not sure if it's seizure related, but her artwork seems advanced for a little girl using Crayola markers.
XanatharEye 1 year ago
Why is it that unions and liberals in general hate the idea of individuals making up their own minds? There is no reason that this shouldn't be an option for parents to to be able to choose or opt out of.
HerrSchenkel 1 year ago
@HerrSchenkel stop falling for the false analogy that is presented by the heavily biased hit piece. Why do California law makers take short cuts to providing the best and most thorough care for their students while attempting to mandate that unqualified people perform procedures that the should and could be performed by real professionals is Senator Huff cared as much about children as he pretends to care about them. Even the father believes that having more nurses is a good idea.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola Yes, like the father, I'm not necessarily against more nurses. But in the meantime, why not give parents a viable option that they want which could potentially save their lives?
HerrSchenkel 1 year ago
@HerrSchenkel there is something called the Good Samaritan law and the varying procedures and medicines that can be administered under said law vary from state to state. This way when no-medical professionals perform those procedures and administer those medicines, they can't be sued. This is called liability. This particular medicine has not been covered by this particular legislation. BTW, all of this info should have been contained in this report if it were truly unbiased.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola I know about that law, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about allowing teachers to voluntarily learn to administer the medication. If it's not under the Good Samaritan law and the teacher is concerned about liability, they don't have to train for it. Similarly, if the parent is concerned about the competence of teachers, they can opt out. It's about choice until problems such as nurse shortages and non coverage of the Good Samaritan law are addressed.
HerrSchenkel 1 year ago
well according to libertarians, the kid shouldn't be in a public school in the first place because all public schools should be banned. Sorry, you can't have it both ways fake conservatives. You can't act like the public schools are useless and then put the onus of blame on them for their polticians inability to properly fund or protect them with his two bit half-a ss ed bill. Rewrite the bill and give the necessary legal protections if you can't be bothered to REALLY care for kids.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola Your logic is spellbinding. Wait, sorry, I meant your strawman is spellbinding. Try this: you fake liberals (?) want to force all kids to go to public schools and then refuse to treat their medical problems. Why do you want children to die priorzola? Why do you hate kids?
jsminch 1 year ago
@jsminch well I don't send my kids to school for medical treatment any more than I go to a courtroom to get surgery done. If you want your kids to get medical treatment, provide them with medical professionals to do so. If you really cared about kids you wouldn't underfund your schools. Maybe fake conservatives are also simply faking their compassion just like the you are faking your outrage just so you can have one more reason to hate unions.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola Nobody sends their kids to school for medical care. This is EMERGENCY care not standard wellness checkups. There is no reason not to allow this besides the fact that unions want more dues. even the few minutes that it takes a scholl nurse to get there could cost a life. Not that you care.
frednoname1 1 year ago
@frednoname1 well there is a reason and that is the LEGAL fact that there are no provisions in the actual legislation for denial of legal claims against improper or ineffectual use. Of course, with this anti-union hit piece which is all that you are basing your decidely biased opinion on, you wouldn't know about those legal issues because no legal expert is even asked to speak. This thrust of this piece is that unions are bad not that the legislation is POOR and INADEQUATE.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola So you support letting kids die unless unions get thier way. We already established that.
Simple fact is that this law would have allowed people to save kids lives with a safe medicine, readily advailable.
The DNC voted it down. Esentualy sentencing these kids to death.
frednoname1 1 year ago
@frednoname1 the GOP who devised their tax code have sentenced these kids to death by not giving them the required amount of medical professionals needed to care for their needs. If Senator Huff had the balls this reporter is implying he has, he would fix the SYSTEMIC problem with underserved California school districts instead of the quick fixes that don't protect teachers, nurses or students effectively.
priorzola 1 year ago
@frednoname1 but what we've established with you is that you're full of fake moral outrage and ill-informed talking points and STILL no legal leg to stand on.
priorzola 1 year ago
@frednoname1 BTW, poor and inadequate would be how I would also describe Ted Balaker's reporting and the false premise that he's setting up with this "reporting" (ie libertarian talking point bonanza). Maybe if you were armed with facts instead of Reason's standard "free market good, unions bad" drivel you'd actually have a point. Plus if you actually read the legislation and know anything about the California tax code you're comments would be relevant. As you know neither, your comments are not
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola how stupid. if you have asthma you DO take your inhaler to court, this girl basiclly needs to be allowed to have others administer her fast acting inhaler...up her butt.
XanatharEye 1 year ago
@XanatharEye and the politician needs to make sure that those who do are trained and legally protected. He has failed on both accounts.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola Alright well we agree on that much.
XanatharEye 1 year ago
@priorzola So the only way to "really" care for kids is to spend millions more on nurses that will not get there for months, and will probably only call 911 anyway when an hours worth of training to teachers could solve the problem today.
liberalthink at its finest.
frednoname1 1 year ago
@frednoname1 to really care is to put your money where your mouth is even if it defies your irrational fear of unions not conjure up quick fixes with implementing the proper protections for all parties involved. Fake conservativism at it's best. Place the onus of responsibility on people who you openly distrust (let alone constantly underfund) and then don't even extend the basic legal protectiong for those heightened responsibilities.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola Unions are not bad if they stay non-political. They have thier uses. But this is blatantly a money grab from unions. They were the only ones opposed. The procedure is safe after a small bit of training. It would save lives RIGHT NOW and cost alot less. Doing this in no way prevents hiring a school nurse. it just allows teachers to save lives now.
You keep on saying fund the schools yet refuse to see that THERE IS NO MONEY TO DO SO. So your solution is unworkable anyway.
frednoname1 1 year ago 2
@frednoname1 did you have a school nurse when you went to school? If you had a potentially fatal condition would you feel safe knowing that you don't and the reason you don't is that 40 years ago a political party held your tax code hostage for quick political gain instead of for the long-term needs of your citizens?
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola LoL, you're funneh. Public schools are full of the most ridiculous kinds of "professionals" imaginable.
DWest174 1 year ago 3
@priorzola Earth to priorzola. DEMOCRATS control califonia. NOT republicans. Quit trying to shift the blame.
this procedure does not require a medical professional. You seem to have missed or are ingoring that point. Democrats blocked a life saving procedure that costs the state almost nothing just so unions can get more of thier people in there.
frednoname1 1 year ago 4
How could slow breathing be more unsafe than death???
Any complication of diastat would be better than death.
Damn unions always want more power.
How does that woman sleep at night?
whitesox889 1 year ago
@whitesox889 How could slow breathing be more unsafe than death??? Because the unions will not get paid.
frednoname1 1 year ago
$o hire more union member$ or let kid$ die.
Its clear where the union$ intre$t$ are.
The union$ aare $imply playing with kid$ live$ here.
frednoname1 1 year ago
@frednoname1 sorry the Senator is playing with kids lives by underserving his constituency and trying to find a quick fix for those inadequacies. But what do you expect for a "compassionate conservative". Sorry I cut your funding to prove that I really care. Here's a lollipop to make you feel better.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola So allowing people to save other peoples lives is "inadequacy"??
BTW quick question, where are they going to get the money for nurses? The whole state is bankrupt. So instead of having multiple people trained to do this simple procedure, the kids will die waiting for the state to find millions to fund more UNION school nurses. I wonder who benefits from that? Oh yeah... UNIONS...
frednoname1 1 year ago
@frednoname1 maybe they can change their antiquated tax code put in place by the reactionary republicans in the 1970s. Prop 13 has failed California and it needs to be repealed but Republicans of that era made sure to put in the most severe tax code augmentation procedures of any state in the union. But what do you expect from a GOP tax code. They're constantly under-serving their citizens with their short-sighted fiscal policies.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola California has had a DNC majority for a long time and you blame the GOP???? Seriously????
BTW do you need the number to jag?
frednoname1 1 year ago
@frednoname1 obviously you have no clue about California's tax codes & when they were devised. I know you love to use it as a talking point but at least inform yourself of the talking points you use. Look up PROP 13 & how it effects the California property tax (one of the lowest in the country). Property tax is the one most integrally tied to school funding and California's GOP devised one is inadequate just like school funding in many a Red State.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola SIGH.... You talk about a tax code from the 70s. Thats 40 years for the dnc to fix it. They didn't, so either they are worthless or have no problem with it.
frednoname1 1 year ago
@frednoname1 Let me explain this tax code. It is the only one in the country where a 2/3 majority is required to change it. There has never been a 2/3 majority democratic legislature in California in that 40 years. Those stringent requirements were purposeful so that the codes won't easily be changed and thus they have not been changed. And since the GOP lacked any foresight on what the growing needs of their growing state would be in the future, their school children now have to SUFFER.
priorzola 1 year ago
@frednoname1 Yes, the union is using this issue to try and pry more money from the system. There is a desperate lack of Nurses in schools. One post said 6 nurses for 42 schools I believe. Yes fighting this issue is bad for the kids, but if the union does not stand up and fight there will be no more Nurses in schools.
School Funding is FUBAR. A normal school lunch now costs something like 60 cents to serve. Do you really think that's filling and nutritious?
SpamSpamNEggs 1 year ago
@SpamSpamNEggs Thats a problem, A SEPERATE problem. Just because there is a lack of funding for nurses, doesn't mean that it should be illegal to perform a simple life saving percedure you can teach in less that 5 minutes.
frednoname1 1 year ago 2
@frednoname1 In a logical, reasonable, sane world I would agree it is a separate problem. Polotics is not logical reasonable or sane. The only way to pry money out of the government's hands is with a "Crisis". Any individual problem can be solved without adding cost, so the Union needs to invent a crisis. This just happens to be the issue they picked for "School Nurse crisis" it has nothing to do with the "poor children" suffering without medication.
Contiuned.....
SpamSpamNEggs 1 year ago
This is mostly all in defense of Unions. The issues are almost never as simple as they are presented in any sort of Media. Many of the issues would take a few weeks of study to really understand, not a 30 second sound bite.
As I said before, the school funding is FUBAR. I think the best solution is to do away with public schools, but not public funding......a voucher program. Then you can choose a school that has a nurse if that's important.
SpamSpamNEggs 1 year ago
@SpamSpamNEggs Oh I know what its about. Thats what pisses me off. This is an easy fix that would cost much. But the unions are using it to get funding for a completely different program.
frednoname1 1 year ago
typical gov't BS
buddywill50 1 year ago
Worrying about child molestation and medical malpractice aren't small concerns. This is a dumb video and a dumb point made by Reason. Will the State agree to pay out any judgement if something goes wrong?
Brambledemon 1 year ago
@Brambledemon how about REASON TV pay for those lawsuits. The fact is that the county is woefully underserved w/ school nurses. There are 600 schools in the district with only 239 nurses. That's all thanks to the unwillingness of school districts to properly fund the FULL needs of their schools and if Senator Huff was serious about the safety of kids, he'd address that issue and if Ted Balaker were a real journalist instead of a libertarian talking point machine, he'd mention those numbers, too.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola There shouldn't be public schooling in the first place so its kind of a moot point.
nicademus1974 1 year ago
@nicademus1974 then go back and tell the CAPITALISTS who demanded that there be public schools in the 19th century in the first place that teabagging talking point. I know education didn't take with you but the fact of the matter is that the prime reason our nation went from being a bunch of hicks in the woods to organized cities that generate wealth and a middle class consumer market of our own is because of the advent of PUBLIC EDUCATION that formed an educated workforce.
priorzola 1 year ago
@priorzola Your wrong. Public schooling was implemented by the "central planners". It was imported from the Prussian Empire as a way to control and brainwash the citizenry. Public Education had nothing to do with forming an educated workforce. The fact that you need to be educated to compete in an increasingly higher tech world is why people are more educated. The whole premise of mandatory schooling is that parents have to be forced to educate their children. I don't buy that.
nicademus1974 1 year ago
@nicademus1974 the fact that IMMIGRANTS who formed a growing portion of our industrial base needed to learn basic skills to follow instructions & to communicate with their bosses and fellow employees is why people are more educated. New technlogies only reinforce that continued need. Removing that education only means that people cannot compete for those high tech jobs. Why do libertarians resist being able to compete so much? Maybe because the theory has failed everytime it has had to compete.
priorzola 1 year ago
@Brambledemon You obviously just don't "get it"
nicademus1974 1 year ago