You should also mention how the Catholic Church has almost no political power. If the Jesuits were so powerful, then many men would be clamoring to become a Jesuit priest. As it stands, many Catholic parishes are closing or consolidating because of a extreme shortage of priests. Many Catholic schools are closing, because Catholic parents cannot afford to send their kids there while also paying the exorbitant property / school tax to maintain PUBLIC schools.
@mooninquirer The Jesuit myth has been going on for centuries. Even Adam Weishaupt had a hatred for the Jesuits. Today, major political leaders who attended Jesuit universities or institutions and are now in secretive organizations like the CFR are labeled as Jesuit or Jesuit-trained. They don't even realize that today Jesuit institutions are run by mostly lay faculty (Catholic and Non-Catholic) and the Jesuits have some very liberal clergy.
This is the biggest load of LIES I've seen in recent time!
1. You claim the Vatican opposes Freemasonry?! Then why were they working with the Monte Carlo P2 Lodge?
2. You claim the Vatican opposes a New World Order?! Then why did the Pope attend Bilderberg in 1999, and the current Pope call for a New World Order?
3. You claim the Vatican oppeses Socialism?! Then why did they work with Hitler to form the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY AKA THE NAZAI PARTY?!
1. No Catholic clergy were included in the P2 member list, only lay persons working as bankers and financial advisors. Show me proof the Vatican knew that they were working with P2 members. Why did the Catholic Church and the Popes repeatedly condemn Freemasonry and excommunicate Catholics who joined it? Explain Freemasonry's history of hatred and persecution of the Catholic Church, and why they considered the Jesuits a threat to their agenda and worked to have them suppressed.
@fx2py Freemasonry is supposed to give people knowledge, and an educated public is something the Vatican has hated since its beginnings. And for heavens sake, they have an Obelisk (Penis) inside the walls (Vag) representing sexual unification! That's clearly Masonic teaching. I know a Catholic who's been initiated into the Eastern Stars and her husband's a Freemason. She seems to think it's ok. And here's a picture of Catholic Masons: freemasonrywatch. org/pics/ShowLetter.jpg
What, do you prefer knowledge from Freemasonry over knowledge from the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church brought us the medieval universities. The educational system of the Jesuits was unsurpassed in effectiveness and the Freemasons hated it so much that they wanted the Jesuits suppressed. Why do Catholic schools today have such a good reputation and outperform and are preferred over public schools? You ought to be grateful.
@fx2py Both of their teachings are corrupt. I guess you could say I viewed Freemasons as an enemy of my enemy, until they were infiltrated by the Jesuit "Illuminati" by Adam Weishaupt in 1776. The Catholic School systems offer better discipline. Many of the kids are probably scared of being beaten or molested. And the Jesuit colleges gladly accept Freemasonic Initiates, like Bill Clinton. On another note, the Catholic Knights of Columbus honor the Freemason Christopher Columbus.
Weishaupt and the Illuminati were enemies of the Jesuits and the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church gave birth to the university system and you will not be able to refute that fact. Catholic schools offer better education - period. You have no proof that the reason is that kids are scared of being beaten or molested. That is such a lame explanation and you cannot back it up. You must really be desperate due to not being able to come up with any good answers.
Opponents of Christianity make similar claims about the images and symbols of Christianity, that they were taken from paganism. Does this mean that Christianity is based on pagan teaching?
As taught by the Catholic Church, a Catholic who joins the Freemasons has already been excommunicated automatically by that action. Catholics joining Freemasonry does not disprove anything I say. It only means those Catholics violated the law and teaching of the Catholic Church.
@fx2py I am not an opponent of Christianity, I am an opponent of the AntiChrist (whether that specific title goes to the Pope or Maitreya) and the Vatican that perverted Christ's teachings. The mere fact that the Vatican merged biblical teachings with paganism should be a red flag. The Pope (pagan Roman ceaser) is still called Vicarius Christi and Pontiff Maximus.
@fx2py Even the Bohemian Grove has Catholics running around: davidicke. com/forum/showthread. php?t=67311
There's a documentary called: The Vatican THe P2 Lodge & The Mafia, that documents the accounts, also a documetary called: Exit the Matrix Nightvisions where a P2 Lodge Member admits everything!
That davidicke link doesn't work. Please provide a better link.
That documentary doesn't say anything that proves that any Catholic clergy were members of P2.
Why should I give any credibility to a shady guy like Leo Zagami? Have you seen that video of him ranting like a drunk megalomaniac and a lunatic? Even the Nightvisions guy doesn't support him.
The link works if you remove the spaces. I said the Vatican works with P2. I said they were working with them. I've had contact with Zagami. I personally question his motives, but he's defintalely releasing good information.
I call it Evidence. I've obtained enough if it to prove to a free thinking individual that yes, the Vatican and its agents are servants of Satan and the Antichrist. Escape while you can.
1. St. John of Nepomuk: So what? Freemasonry chose St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist as patron saints. Does that mean Freemasons are Christians?
2. A alleged Catholic Mass at Bohemian Grove: It needs an altar to be a Catholic Mass. It looks like sacrilege. Satanists have a Black Mass. Does that mean it is a Catholic Mass?
3. A sign of St. Francis Xavier Church: Is this some kind of joke? That church is in Maryland, not Bohemian Grove.
@fx2py Freemasons having patron saints doesnt suprise me at all, since the whole idea is a continuation of the Pagan Roman Pantheon of Gods. Both Freemasons and Vatican are Pagan Babylonian organizations, now both under the control of Rome through the Jesuit (means deception) Order. I.H.S. is Isis, Horus, Seb. Calling Catholicism Christian is the joke here. Anyone not brainwashed can clearly see it is Pagan. You need Jesus. For by Grace we are saved, not by works or the Vatican.
St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist are saints accepted by Protestants too, not just Catholics. There is nothing pagan about Catholic belief in patron saints. If you believe in the Bible, then you indirectly believe in the Catholic Church, who compiled and gave you the Bible, and YOU are thereby a follower of "Pagan Rome". Regarding works, read the Epistle of James, which Luther repudiated.
You only replied to #1 of my last post. What is your reply to #2 and #3?
@fx2py All born again Christians are equal. The Catholic church takes verses out of context in order to justify their beliefs, just like New Agers and Freemasons. #2 and 3 weren't worth my time. A satanist conducting a black mass isnt Catholic of course, but a Catholic conducting a mass is in essence a satanist. No mass is going to help you in anyway. #3 That just happened to be thrown in for some reason. I wouldnt have put it in.
#2 and 3 not worth your time? But it was worth your time to make the claim that Catholics were "running around" Bohemian Grove, and you posted that link to back it up. #2 is the one that refers to the only picture of Catholics supposedly "running around", and #3 has a sign of a Catholic Church which implies that Catholics go there to "run around", although that Church is not even at Bohemian Grove.
My point for #2 is that it does not look like a Catholic Mass at Bohemian Grove.
@fx2py Wherever there are politicians, there are Jesuits and Catholic priests. The Vatican rules over the Kings of the earth just like the Holy Bible tells us it does. Like when the Pope told Bush to invade Iraq, and when Jesuit George Tenet was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for giving faulty Intelligence to support the new Papal Crusade. Even Liberal Monster Nancy Pelosi kissed the Popes ring! I believe the pictures are legitimate. Papal pawns of all sorts attend the Grove so-
The Pope told Bush and the whole world not to invade Iraq. Did you not get the memo? Jesuits are Catholic priests and have to be male and celibate. Tenet doesn't qualify since he is married and Greek Orthodox, not Catholic. If Pelosi always obeys the Pope she would not be pro-choice. Innumerable faithful Catholics kiss the Pope's ring. Does that make them all Jesuits? Politicians have a motive to be respectful toward the Pope: to curry favor with Catholics and get their votes.
@fx2py Bush said God told him to invade Iraq. He also said when he looks into the eyes of the Pope he sees God. The Whore of Babylon wants Iraq, where the remains of the city Babylon are.
Excuse me, George Tenet is a Knight of Malta that belongs to Georgetown Jesuit University, whose leader Thomas Michel met with Leo Zagami. These politicians are Jesuit Coadjutors.
That is another sophistic claim you are making. Saying that you see God in the eyes of another person is like saying that you see God in a saintly person, or that you see Christ in your fellow man. It does not mean that person is God. If Bush considers the Pope to be God then why is he not Catholic? The undeniable fact remains that the Pope did not want Bush to invade Iraq, but Bush did anyway, and this fact alone debunks your failed attempt to get around it.
@fx2py Let this be my final message: I find it incredible that seeing all this, combined with the scriptures, that anyone could be Catholic. I sincerely believe that you are all lost, and are in serious need of the TRUE Jesus Christ who gave us salvation by grace on the cross and rose again, where no other sacrifice or ritual is needed (Book of Hebrews). Just so you know, I don't hate you or anyone else, I just hate the lies and deception of the AntiChrist Papacy, Freemasonry, and the rest.
Seeing all of what? The Scriptures do not say anything against the Catholic Faith. Why would it when the Catholic Church is the one who compiled the Scriptures? You called me a liar but you failed to prove why. I would recommend you study Church history and the Church Fathers, who were Catholic. This will give you the real truth, not the falsehoods from the likes of Phelps, Pinto, Zagami, and anti-Catholic websites. The Catholic Church gives you the full truth of the Gospel.
Quit being a sophist. You say the Vatican worked with P2. If you yourself worked with financial advisors who you later found out were Freemasons up to no good does that mean you support Freemasonry? Can I say that you worked with Freemasons?
How is it good information when Zagami fails to establish any credibility?
None of your so-called evidence provided so far proves your claims or disproves mine. You just throw a multitude of false information, hoping something will stick.
@fx2py Zagami's information is credible, and we distanced ourselves from him for other reasons. The Pagan Catholic Church seems to have you so disillusioned to see the true nature of it's means. Only God can help you.
@fx2py Zagami has established credibility by releasing detailed information on things to come. Like Obama being a Prince Hall mason and getting the democratic nomination over Hilary and being elected. Keep your eyes shut if you want. God will be our judge. "...come out of her (Catholic Church), my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues." - Rev. 18:4
Obama being a Prince Hall Mason? It's hearsay. Was this verified? Even if it was it would be no surprise. Many politicians are alleged to be Masons, whether true or not.
When did Zagami make the prediction that Obama will win over Hillary? Obama was popular in America, and in Europe, where Zagami is from. His odds of predicting it right were probably better than yours would have been by flipping a coin. I would not call this "detailed information" that establishes credibility.
@fx2py Because my line of work is full of Masons, I was invited to the Scottish Rite Temple, regardless of my well known opposition. I talked to a 'Brother' named Ben who says he knows Obama is Prince Hall.
I first heard Zagami make that statement in February 2008. People were putting their money on Hillary for her connections, prior experience, and because then only Bush's and Clinton's would be in the White House, Zagami said no, it will be Mason Obama. That was just one example.
Then alas, with your admission I can safely say that "YOU work with Masons", regardless of your "well known opposition". Why? Because by your logic you say "the Vatican works with P2", regardless of course of the Vatican's "well known opposition".
Feb 2008 happens to be the month Obama started to overtake Hillary in the polls, so it was an opportune time for Zagami to make his prediction.
As I said before, if Obama is a Mason it's no surprise. Many others also said he is one.
@fx2py I do NOT work with Masons for personal gain. The Vatican worked with P2, now re emerging as P3, for personal gain. And I assume they invited me to convince me that they aren't so bad, and I dont think they believe they are. Although they had blatantly Luciferian books and Pentagram decorataions. But thats getting off topic.
Not for personal gain? So you work with Masons for free? You know and admit that you work with Masons. As for the Vatican, what was the personal gain? You did not prove that they knew they were working with P2 Masons.
2. The Pope was in Rome and in Poland at the time of the Bilderberg meeting, which took place on June 3-6, 1999 in Sintra, Portugal. Show me proof that he attended it.
You need to read carefully what I say. The Catholic Church is opposed to a New World Order based on tyranny and Satan, but is not opposed to a New World Order based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, the values of the Gospel. Show me proof that the Pope is calling for population control.
@fx2py The Pope has ALWAYS been a tyrant! He wants a World Order based on the fact he thinks he's Jesus! There's a nice interview with Chris Pinto on Alex Jone's show concerning this topic. There's no point in my typing it all here but have a link: youtube. com/watch?v=Wbe0DbikRMg&feature=related
@fx2py Unfortunately I havent been able to get inside Bilderberg and take pictures of everyone. And I never said anything about population control, but for one example, the Prince Of Pagans Exalted did said NO to condoms in Africa, where the man made Aids Virus is killing the "social undesirable". Why would a Wolf in Sheep clothing reveal himself before he had all his pieces in the right place?
Well if you can't get pictures and can't provide any other proof that the Pope attended Bilderberg, then don't make claims that you cannot back up. I have refuted your claim. How could he have been at Bilderberg when he was somewhere else at the time?
You refer to the Pope as a Wolf in Sheep clothing. This begs the question: if the alleged Wolf is denouncing population control, why aren't the Protestants in general, the supposed "real Sheep", denouncing it too? Why is the Wolf alone in doing the job of the Sheep?
Protestants used to agree with the Catholic Church in opposing contraception until they drank the eugenics Kool-Aid and reversed their position at the 1930 Lambeth Conference. Research it.
3. The Vatican never supported the ideology of Hitler and the Nazi Party, and teaches that socialism is wrong. Pope Pius XI's encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, criticized Nazism and was read in Catholic pulpits all over Germany on Palm Sunday 1937. The purpose of the Concordat, which of course Hitler violated, was to protect the Catholic Church from the Nazi's.
Nazi Germany is the fruit of the Protestant Reformation, which started in Germany by Martin Luther in 1517. England followed and turned Protestant under Henry VIII, and produced the Masonic Grand Lodge of England in 1717. Freemasonry in turn gave rise to wars and revolution, the destabilization and dechristianization of Europe, socialism, Nazism, and the communist revolution of 1917. These were the fruits of the rebellion against the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ.
@fx2py Wow! Blaming the Protestants for Nazi Germany when all they did was read the Bible and end the Tyrannical reign of the Vatican, hundreds of years before Nazi Germany existed. Odd, considering the Vatican Clergy was shaking hands with Hitler's SS during the reign of terror. Because of the Reformation so many people found salvation and the joy of Christ that was hidden from them for so long. The Freemasonic teaches were left in Scotland, so they would've remained regardless.
@fx2py I see the logic. No one wants anything to do with the Catholic Church, so they break away. I don't blame them. "If ye love me, keep my commandments." - John 14:15 That's hard to do if you are Catholic, because the Vatican changed them.
Also, read Jeremiah:10, and ask your Bishop or whatever why the Vatican puts up a Christmas tree on Dec 25th, when Jesus wasn't even born then.
You and I have no common ground. We don't worship the same Jesus. We don't even have the same Bible.
Many break away from the Catholic Church because they have been deceived.
The Catholic Church removed the worship of the pagan god on Dec 25th and worshiped the true God, Jesus Christ, instead on that day. Whether or not He was born on that day, He is still the One being worshiped.
The Bible came from the Catholic Church, so you ought be be grateful. You have an incomplete Bible because 7 books were removed from Protestant Bibles.
Correction: The Septuagint (pronounced /ˈsɛptuː.ədʒɪnt/), or simply "LXX", referred to in critical works by the abbreviation ,[1] is the Koine Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, translated in stages between the 3rd and 2nd Centuries BC in Alexandria.
Source, Wikipedia! But nice try, just like most catholics, you only are taught and know half the story. Want the proof: THE VATICAN RATLINES
Please state clearly your points and how you are trying to prove them. How exactly is your source a "correction" and disproves that the Bible came from the Catholic Church?
The Catholic Church set the canon and compiled the Bible, which is made up of the Old and New Testaments. The Septuagint includes the 7 books that were later removed by Protestants from their Bibles. When making references to the Old Testament, the writers of the New Testament actually used the Septuagint.
@fx2py What came first, the Catholic bible or the Septuagint?
So how could the bible come from the Catholic Church? When the Greek old testament is some 600 years older? "How exactly is your source a "correction" and disproves that the Bible came from the Catholic Church" And you can't figure this out maynard?
NOW ARE YOU READY TO GET INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE NAZIS? A simple yes or no will work, no spin doctoting please!
We can get into the Catholic Church and the Nazis after we settle where the Bible came from. Character space is limited on each post and I want to avoid multiple posts per reply.
I already know which came first but it is irrelevant. The question is, did you not figure out what I meant by "the Bible came from the Catholic Church"? Did you really think it was that easy to disprove the claim? The other commenter probably would not dare touch it because he can't disprove it either.
@fx2py I want to encourage you that no matter how long you've spent in the AntChrist Roman Catholic system, it's not too late. If you sincerely desire the truth of the King Kings, then repent and turn away from the Harlot Church (Revelation 17) and put your faith in Christ alone, for only he is the mediator between us and God, not some man wearing a silly hat that was taken from the Pagan Fish god Dagan. Be free from the Vatican and escape the bondage of lies. Jesus is Lord, not the Pope.
I will not in good conscience leave the Catholic Church and become a heretic or commit apostasy. I already believe that Jesus is Lord, not the Pope. The Catholic Church is the Woman of Revelation Chapter 12, not the Harlot of Chapter 17.
That site has pictures of Protestants and it falsely claims that they are Catholics:
Bishop Ludwig Muller was a Lutheran Protestant. He was a Nazi sympathizer and anti-Semite who was elected Reich Bishop.
Bishop Friedrich Coch was a Protestant and one of the leading men of the Nazi "German Christians" group.
Based on the above, how can you be sure that all the other pictures on that site are Catholic and not Protestant? Protestants and Lutheran nuns wear religious garb too.
You should research your "Tony Alamo" - founder of alamoministries. Convicted child molester, cult leader, real name Bernie Lazar Hoffman, currently serving 175 years in prison for child rape.
Not to mention - first and last photos claim Muller as "Catholic" bishop - a lie. He was the evangelical protestant bishop of the 3rd Reich. And photos taken long before Hitler showed his evil side anyway.
The Catholic Church does not excommunicate countries, only individual persons, since not all people in a country are necessarily Catholic nor followers of those ideas. As a matter of fact, Catholics who join Freemasonry, commits heresy, or procures abortions, are already excommunicated automatically by their actions.
In the case of Freemasonry, the Catholic Church was the loudest and most prominent voice against it. As early as 1738, with the constitution In Eminenti by Pope Clement XII, he and many subsequent popes have condemned it.
If you study the extensive documentation and history on the teaching by the Catholic Church and popes on these errors, it will be clear that they are vehemently opposed to them, and the world clearly knows their position. Adherents of those errors even acknowledge it, by manifesting in their statements and actions, which are sometimes violent, their hatred and that they are bitter enemies of the Pope and the Catholic Church for opposing them.
You should also mention how the Catholic Church has almost no political power. If the Jesuits were so powerful, then many men would be clamoring to become a Jesuit priest. As it stands, many Catholic parishes are closing or consolidating because of a extreme shortage of priests. Many Catholic schools are closing, because Catholic parents cannot afford to send their kids there while also paying the exorbitant property / school tax to maintain PUBLIC schools.
mooninquirer 6 months ago
@mooninquirer The Jesuit myth has been going on for centuries. Even Adam Weishaupt had a hatred for the Jesuits. Today, major political leaders who attended Jesuit universities or institutions and are now in secretive organizations like the CFR are labeled as Jesuit or Jesuit-trained. They don't even realize that today Jesuit institutions are run by mostly lay faculty (Catholic and Non-Catholic) and the Jesuits have some very liberal clergy.
101caliber 6 months ago
This is the biggest load of LIES I've seen in recent time!
1. You claim the Vatican opposes Freemasonry?! Then why were they working with the Monte Carlo P2 Lodge?
2. You claim the Vatican opposes a New World Order?! Then why did the Pope attend Bilderberg in 1999, and the current Pope call for a New World Order?
3. You claim the Vatican oppeses Socialism?! Then why did they work with Hitler to form the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY AKA THE NAZAI PARTY?!
You're a LIAR and you need to REPENT!
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
1. No Catholic clergy were included in the P2 member list, only lay persons working as bankers and financial advisors. Show me proof the Vatican knew that they were working with P2 members. Why did the Catholic Church and the Popes repeatedly condemn Freemasonry and excommunicate Catholics who joined it? Explain Freemasonry's history of hatred and persecution of the Catholic Church, and why they considered the Jesuits a threat to their agenda and worked to have them suppressed.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Freemasonry is supposed to give people knowledge, and an educated public is something the Vatican has hated since its beginnings. And for heavens sake, they have an Obelisk (Penis) inside the walls (Vag) representing sexual unification! That's clearly Masonic teaching. I know a Catholic who's been initiated into the Eastern Stars and her husband's a Freemason. She seems to think it's ok. And here's a picture of Catholic Masons: freemasonrywatch. org/pics/ShowLetter.jpg
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
What, do you prefer knowledge from Freemasonry over knowledge from the Catholic Church? The Catholic Church brought us the medieval universities. The educational system of the Jesuits was unsurpassed in effectiveness and the Freemasons hated it so much that they wanted the Jesuits suppressed. Why do Catholic schools today have such a good reputation and outperform and are preferred over public schools? You ought to be grateful.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Both of their teachings are corrupt. I guess you could say I viewed Freemasons as an enemy of my enemy, until they were infiltrated by the Jesuit "Illuminati" by Adam Weishaupt in 1776. The Catholic School systems offer better discipline. Many of the kids are probably scared of being beaten or molested. And the Jesuit colleges gladly accept Freemasonic Initiates, like Bill Clinton. On another note, the Catholic Knights of Columbus honor the Freemason Christopher Columbus.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Weishaupt and the Illuminati were enemies of the Jesuits and the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church gave birth to the university system and you will not be able to refute that fact. Catholic schools offer better education - period. You have no proof that the reason is that kids are scared of being beaten or molested. That is such a lame explanation and you cannot back it up. You must really be desperate due to not being able to come up with any good answers.
fx2py 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Opponents of Christianity make similar claims about the images and symbols of Christianity, that they were taken from paganism. Does this mean that Christianity is based on pagan teaching?
As taught by the Catholic Church, a Catholic who joins the Freemasons has already been excommunicated automatically by that action. Catholics joining Freemasonry does not disprove anything I say. It only means those Catholics violated the law and teaching of the Catholic Church.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py I am not an opponent of Christianity, I am an opponent of the AntiChrist (whether that specific title goes to the Pope or Maitreya) and the Vatican that perverted Christ's teachings. The mere fact that the Vatican merged biblical teachings with paganism should be a red flag. The Pope (pagan Roman ceaser) is still called Vicarius Christi and Pontiff Maximus.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@fx2py Even the Bohemian Grove has Catholics running around: davidicke. com/forum/showthread. php?t=67311
There's a documentary called: The Vatican THe P2 Lodge & The Mafia, that documents the accounts, also a documetary called: Exit the Matrix Nightvisions where a P2 Lodge Member admits everything!
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
That davidicke link doesn't work. Please provide a better link.
That documentary doesn't say anything that proves that any Catholic clergy were members of P2.
Why should I give any credibility to a shady guy like Leo Zagami? Have you seen that video of him ranting like a drunk megalomaniac and a lunatic? Even the Nightvisions guy doesn't support him.
Do you call this proof?
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py davidicke. com/forum/showthread. php?t=67311
The link works if you remove the spaces. I said the Vatican works with P2. I said they were working with them. I've had contact with Zagami. I personally question his motives, but he's defintalely releasing good information.
I call it Evidence. I've obtained enough if it to prove to a free thinking individual that yes, the Vatican and its agents are servants of Satan and the Antichrist. Escape while you can.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
The link has pictures of:
1. St. John of Nepomuk: So what? Freemasonry chose St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist as patron saints. Does that mean Freemasons are Christians?
2. A alleged Catholic Mass at Bohemian Grove: It needs an altar to be a Catholic Mass. It looks like sacrilege. Satanists have a Black Mass. Does that mean it is a Catholic Mass?
3. A sign of St. Francis Xavier Church: Is this some kind of joke? That church is in Maryland, not Bohemian Grove.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Freemasons having patron saints doesnt suprise me at all, since the whole idea is a continuation of the Pagan Roman Pantheon of Gods. Both Freemasons and Vatican are Pagan Babylonian organizations, now both under the control of Rome through the Jesuit (means deception) Order. I.H.S. is Isis, Horus, Seb. Calling Catholicism Christian is the joke here. Anyone not brainwashed can clearly see it is Pagan. You need Jesus. For by Grace we are saved, not by works or the Vatican.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
St. John the Baptist and St. John the Evangelist are saints accepted by Protestants too, not just Catholics. There is nothing pagan about Catholic belief in patron saints. If you believe in the Bible, then you indirectly believe in the Catholic Church, who compiled and gave you the Bible, and YOU are thereby a follower of "Pagan Rome". Regarding works, read the Epistle of James, which Luther repudiated.
You only replied to #1 of my last post. What is your reply to #2 and #3?
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py All born again Christians are equal. The Catholic church takes verses out of context in order to justify their beliefs, just like New Agers and Freemasons. #2 and 3 weren't worth my time. A satanist conducting a black mass isnt Catholic of course, but a Catholic conducting a mass is in essence a satanist. No mass is going to help you in anyway. #3 That just happened to be thrown in for some reason. I wouldnt have put it in.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
#2 and 3 not worth your time? But it was worth your time to make the claim that Catholics were "running around" Bohemian Grove, and you posted that link to back it up. #2 is the one that refers to the only picture of Catholics supposedly "running around", and #3 has a sign of a Catholic Church which implies that Catholics go there to "run around", although that Church is not even at Bohemian Grove.
My point for #2 is that it does not look like a Catholic Mass at Bohemian Grove.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Wherever there are politicians, there are Jesuits and Catholic priests. The Vatican rules over the Kings of the earth just like the Holy Bible tells us it does. Like when the Pope told Bush to invade Iraq, and when Jesuit George Tenet was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom for giving faulty Intelligence to support the new Papal Crusade. Even Liberal Monster Nancy Pelosi kissed the Popes ring! I believe the pictures are legitimate. Papal pawns of all sorts attend the Grove so-
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
The Pope told Bush and the whole world not to invade Iraq. Did you not get the memo? Jesuits are Catholic priests and have to be male and celibate. Tenet doesn't qualify since he is married and Greek Orthodox, not Catholic. If Pelosi always obeys the Pope she would not be pro-choice. Innumerable faithful Catholics kiss the Pope's ring. Does that make them all Jesuits? Politicians have a motive to be respectful toward the Pope: to curry favor with Catholics and get their votes.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Bush said God told him to invade Iraq. He also said when he looks into the eyes of the Pope he sees God. The Whore of Babylon wants Iraq, where the remains of the city Babylon are.
Excuse me, George Tenet is a Knight of Malta that belongs to Georgetown Jesuit University, whose leader Thomas Michel met with Leo Zagami. These politicians are Jesuit Coadjutors.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
That is another sophistic claim you are making. Saying that you see God in the eyes of another person is like saying that you see God in a saintly person, or that you see Christ in your fellow man. It does not mean that person is God. If Bush considers the Pope to be God then why is he not Catholic? The undeniable fact remains that the Pope did not want Bush to invade Iraq, but Bush did anyway, and this fact alone debunks your failed attempt to get around it.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Let this be my final message: I find it incredible that seeing all this, combined with the scriptures, that anyone could be Catholic. I sincerely believe that you are all lost, and are in serious need of the TRUE Jesus Christ who gave us salvation by grace on the cross and rose again, where no other sacrifice or ritual is needed (Book of Hebrews). Just so you know, I don't hate you or anyone else, I just hate the lies and deception of the AntiChrist Papacy, Freemasonry, and the rest.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Seeing all of what? The Scriptures do not say anything against the Catholic Faith. Why would it when the Catholic Church is the one who compiled the Scriptures? You called me a liar but you failed to prove why. I would recommend you study Church history and the Church Fathers, who were Catholic. This will give you the real truth, not the falsehoods from the likes of Phelps, Pinto, Zagami, and anti-Catholic websites. The Catholic Church gives you the full truth of the Gospel.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py - I absolutely believe the Grove is esoterically Papal.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Yet you fail to prove that your black legends are true.
fx2py 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Quit being a sophist. You say the Vatican worked with P2. If you yourself worked with financial advisors who you later found out were Freemasons up to no good does that mean you support Freemasonry? Can I say that you worked with Freemasons?
How is it good information when Zagami fails to establish any credibility?
None of your so-called evidence provided so far proves your claims or disproves mine. You just throw a multitude of false information, hoping something will stick.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Zagami's information is credible, and we distanced ourselves from him for other reasons. The Pagan Catholic Church seems to have you so disillusioned to see the true nature of it's means. Only God can help you.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Then the "Pagan Catholic Church" must have you disillusioned as well because you believe in the Bible that she gave you.
What are those other reasons for distancing yourselves from Zagami?
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Zagami has established credibility by releasing detailed information on things to come. Like Obama being a Prince Hall mason and getting the democratic nomination over Hilary and being elected. Keep your eyes shut if you want. God will be our judge. "...come out of her (Catholic Church), my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues." - Rev. 18:4
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Obama being a Prince Hall Mason? It's hearsay. Was this verified? Even if it was it would be no surprise. Many politicians are alleged to be Masons, whether true or not.
When did Zagami make the prediction that Obama will win over Hillary? Obama was popular in America, and in Europe, where Zagami is from. His odds of predicting it right were probably better than yours would have been by flipping a coin. I would not call this "detailed information" that establishes credibility.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Because my line of work is full of Masons, I was invited to the Scottish Rite Temple, regardless of my well known opposition. I talked to a 'Brother' named Ben who says he knows Obama is Prince Hall.
I first heard Zagami make that statement in February 2008. People were putting their money on Hillary for her connections, prior experience, and because then only Bush's and Clinton's would be in the White House, Zagami said no, it will be Mason Obama. That was just one example.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Then alas, with your admission I can safely say that "YOU work with Masons", regardless of your "well known opposition". Why? Because by your logic you say "the Vatican works with P2", regardless of course of the Vatican's "well known opposition".
Feb 2008 happens to be the month Obama started to overtake Hillary in the polls, so it was an opportune time for Zagami to make his prediction.
As I said before, if Obama is a Mason it's no surprise. Many others also said he is one.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py I do NOT work with Masons for personal gain. The Vatican worked with P2, now re emerging as P3, for personal gain. And I assume they invited me to convince me that they aren't so bad, and I dont think they believe they are. Although they had blatantly Luciferian books and Pentagram decorataions. But thats getting off topic.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Not for personal gain? So you work with Masons for free? You know and admit that you work with Masons. As for the Vatican, what was the personal gain? You did not prove that they knew they were working with P2 Masons.
fx2py 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
2. The Pope was in Rome and in Poland at the time of the Bilderberg meeting, which took place on June 3-6, 1999 in Sintra, Portugal. Show me proof that he attended it.
You need to read carefully what I say. The Catholic Church is opposed to a New World Order based on tyranny and Satan, but is not opposed to a New World Order based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, the values of the Gospel. Show me proof that the Pope is calling for population control.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py The Pope has ALWAYS been a tyrant! He wants a World Order based on the fact he thinks he's Jesus! There's a nice interview with Chris Pinto on Alex Jone's show concerning this topic. There's no point in my typing it all here but have a link: youtube. com/watch?v=Wbe0DbikRMg&feature=related
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
I already watched that interview and it does not refute my claims.
Where is the proof that the Pope attended Bilderberg in 1999 and that the Pope is calling for population control?
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Unfortunately I havent been able to get inside Bilderberg and take pictures of everyone. And I never said anything about population control, but for one example, the Prince Of Pagans Exalted did said NO to condoms in Africa, where the man made Aids Virus is killing the "social undesirable". Why would a Wolf in Sheep clothing reveal himself before he had all his pieces in the right place?
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Well if you can't get pictures and can't provide any other proof that the Pope attended Bilderberg, then don't make claims that you cannot back up. I have refuted your claim. How could he have been at Bilderberg when he was somewhere else at the time?
fx2py 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
You refer to the Pope as a Wolf in Sheep clothing. This begs the question: if the alleged Wolf is denouncing population control, why aren't the Protestants in general, the supposed "real Sheep", denouncing it too? Why is the Wolf alone in doing the job of the Sheep?
Protestants used to agree with the Catholic Church in opposing contraception until they drank the eugenics Kool-Aid and reversed their position at the 1930 Lambeth Conference. Research it.
fx2py 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
3. The Vatican never supported the ideology of Hitler and the Nazi Party, and teaches that socialism is wrong. Pope Pius XI's encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, criticized Nazism and was read in Catholic pulpits all over Germany on Palm Sunday 1937. The purpose of the Concordat, which of course Hitler violated, was to protect the Catholic Church from the Nazi's.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py By their fruits ye shall know them.
Nazi Germany - A Creation of the Vatican and Jesuits
youtube. com/watch?v=e9zBX4gt0eo
Behind the Dictators
arcticbeacon. com/books/Lehmann-Behind_the_Dictators-Relationship_of_Nazi-Fascism_and_Roman_Catholicism(1945). pdf
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Nazi Germany is the fruit of the Protestant Reformation, which started in Germany by Martin Luther in 1517. England followed and turned Protestant under Henry VIII, and produced the Masonic Grand Lodge of England in 1717. Freemasonry in turn gave rise to wars and revolution, the destabilization and dechristianization of Europe, socialism, Nazism, and the communist revolution of 1917. These were the fruits of the rebellion against the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Wow! Blaming the Protestants for Nazi Germany when all they did was read the Bible and end the Tyrannical reign of the Vatican, hundreds of years before Nazi Germany existed. Odd, considering the Vatican Clergy was shaking hands with Hitler's SS during the reign of terror. Because of the Reformation so many people found salvation and the joy of Christ that was hidden from them for so long. The Freemasonic teaches were left in Scotland, so they would've remained regardless.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
In 1517 Protestantism rejects the Catholic Church, accepts Jesus Christ, and accepts God.
In 1717 Freemasonry rejects the Catholic Church, rejects Jesus Christ, and accepts God (their own conception of God).
In 1917 communism rejects the Catholic Church, rejects Jesus Christ, and rejects God.
"Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." Jesus Christ - Luke 10:16.
See the logic?
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py I see the logic. No one wants anything to do with the Catholic Church, so they break away. I don't blame them. "If ye love me, keep my commandments." - John 14:15 That's hard to do if you are Catholic, because the Vatican changed them.
Also, read Jeremiah:10, and ask your Bishop or whatever why the Vatican puts up a Christmas tree on Dec 25th, when Jesus wasn't even born then.
You and I have no common ground. We don't worship the same Jesus. We don't even have the same Bible.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Apparently, you do not see the logic.
Many break away from the Catholic Church because they have been deceived.
The Catholic Church removed the worship of the pagan god on Dec 25th and worshiped the true God, Jesus Christ, instead on that day. Whether or not He was born on that day, He is still the One being worshiped.
The Bible came from the Catholic Church, so you ought be be grateful. You have an incomplete Bible because 7 books were removed from Protestant Bibles.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py "The Bible came from the Catholic Church"
Correction: The Septuagint (pronounced /ˈsɛptuː.ədʒɪnt/), or simply "LXX", referred to in critical works by the abbreviation ,[1] is the Koine Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, translated in stages between the 3rd and 2nd Centuries BC in Alexandria.
Source, Wikipedia! But nice try, just like most catholics, you only are taught and know half the story. Want the proof: THE VATICAN RATLINES
leonvoltaire 1 year ago
@leonvoltaire
Please state clearly your points and how you are trying to prove them. How exactly is your source a "correction" and disproves that the Bible came from the Catholic Church?
The Catholic Church set the canon and compiled the Bible, which is made up of the Old and New Testaments. The Septuagint includes the 7 books that were later removed by Protestants from their Bibles. When making references to the Old Testament, the writers of the New Testament actually used the Septuagint.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py What came first, the Catholic bible or the Septuagint?
So how could the bible come from the Catholic Church? When the Greek old testament is some 600 years older? "How exactly is your source a "correction" and disproves that the Bible came from the Catholic Church" And you can't figure this out maynard?
NOW ARE YOU READY TO GET INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE NAZIS? A simple yes or no will work, no spin doctoting please!
leonvoltaire 1 year ago
@leonvoltaire
We can get into the Catholic Church and the Nazis after we settle where the Bible came from. Character space is limited on each post and I want to avoid multiple posts per reply.
I already know which came first but it is irrelevant. The question is, did you not figure out what I meant by "the Bible came from the Catholic Church"? Did you really think it was that easy to disprove the claim? The other commenter probably would not dare touch it because he can't disprove it either.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py I want to encourage you that no matter how long you've spent in the AntChrist Roman Catholic system, it's not too late. If you sincerely desire the truth of the King Kings, then repent and turn away from the Harlot Church (Revelation 17) and put your faith in Christ alone, for only he is the mediator between us and God, not some man wearing a silly hat that was taken from the Pagan Fish god Dagan. Be free from the Vatican and escape the bondage of lies. Jesus is Lord, not the Pope.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
I will not in good conscience leave the Catholic Church and become a heretic or commit apostasy. I already believe that Jesus is Lord, not the Pope. The Catholic Church is the Woman of Revelation Chapter 12, not the Harlot of Chapter 17.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Here's your Evil Nazi Protestants. Oh wait! They are Catholic!!!
alamoministries. com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/photogallery. html
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
That site has pictures of Protestants and it falsely claims that they are Catholics:
Bishop Ludwig Muller was a Lutheran Protestant. He was a Nazi sympathizer and anti-Semite who was elected Reich Bishop.
Bishop Friedrich Coch was a Protestant and one of the leading men of the Nazi "German Christians" group.
Based on the above, how can you be sure that all the other pictures on that site are Catholic and not Protestant? Protestants and Lutheran nuns wear religious garb too.
fx2py 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
>>>>alamoministries
Hahaha! What a great source!
You should research your "Tony Alamo" - founder of alamoministries. Convicted child molester, cult leader, real name Bernie Lazar Hoffman, currently serving 175 years in prison for child rape.
Not to mention - first and last photos claim Muller as "Catholic" bishop - a lie. He was the evangelical protestant bishop of the 3rd Reich. And photos taken long before Hitler showed his evil side anyway.
182RG 5 months ago
@CombatBabylon Also, check out a book called Vatican Assassins: Wounded in the House of My Friends.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@CombatBabylon
Can I get the book for free? I do not want to pay and support anyone that is spreading false information about the Catholic Church.
fx2py 1 year ago
@fx2py Check your library. Interviews with the Author, Eric Phelps, are available online.
CombatBabylon 1 year ago
@xrologuex
The Catholic Church does not excommunicate countries, only individual persons, since not all people in a country are necessarily Catholic nor followers of those ideas. As a matter of fact, Catholics who join Freemasonry, commits heresy, or procures abortions, are already excommunicated automatically by their actions.
fx2py 1 year ago
@xrologuex
In the case of Freemasonry, the Catholic Church was the loudest and most prominent voice against it. As early as 1738, with the constitution In Eminenti by Pope Clement XII, he and many subsequent popes have condemned it.
fx2py 1 year ago
@xrologuex
If you study the extensive documentation and history on the teaching by the Catholic Church and popes on these errors, it will be clear that they are vehemently opposed to them, and the world clearly knows their position. Adherents of those errors even acknowledge it, by manifesting in their statements and actions, which are sometimes violent, their hatred and that they are bitter enemies of the Pope and the Catholic Church for opposing them.
fx2py 1 year ago