Honduras Hopes Election Trumps Coup

[libertits]

For the record, i don't call everybody a fascist, just people that support a fascist coup.

[libertits]

You speak so self-righteously about my country and you know nothing about it, not about its history, less about these people who have ruled us for the last 50 years, the same families, the same sons and daughters of past military junta leaders. You don't know that this is fascism, a tiny elite inherit their sons, their friends, posts in the government and the country's wealth. They own the media, to manipulate the peoples and keep interests untouched, keep tthem fooled.

[libertits]

Regarding your "enlightening" fascism lecture, which you happened to erase (god knows why, perhaps you resorted to verify if what you said is right and you must have found out that you are just embarassing yourself), I'll have to agree with you there: You might know a lot more about fascism than i do, for I am not one. One thing is for sure: fascism is exclusive of capitalist states, for it involves the merging of the state and corporations. Entrepenuers rule, not the peoples.

[libertits]

There are tons of videos of the "not only militarized elections" (as the moropatagonian likes to see it) but of the "military repression" in my profile. See them if you like, ignore it if you wish, but then if so, please avoid making missinformed and ignorant comments about something you don't know anything about, because you clearly don't give a shit about human rights violations (and no, stick with Honduras please, that Micheletti,a right wing facist, being capitalist, doesn't make it better)

[JoseThePhd]

The Hondureños want to move on. They have elected Lobos; Santos the candidate with the second most votes and from the same party as Zelaya, accepted that Lobos won.

Zelaya wanted to destroy the democracy in Honduras and perpetuate himself in power; Zelaya didn't respect the balance of power (executive jurisdiction legislative).

The balance of power of Honduras is meant to keep extreme right OR extreme left leaders from grasping too much power and destroying democracy.

[OutlawzAKA]

amazing

[tksnot]

His wife is no Michelle Obama lmao

[DoniGuzzo]

So what happened to Zelayas case??

[REALHONDURAS]

Zelaya has to come out of the embassy get arrested and wait for his trial, he violated our rights to vote something the constitutional government of Micheletti have been protecting since zelayas legal removal.

[DoniGuzzo]

Oh really, I just heard about this on the news about a week ago... hondurians rioting the streets, this is history for Honduras

[bcmguy]

What happened last June was not a coup. It was removing a man from power who was attempting to illegally stay in power. Get it right AP. He was removed legally and the Constitution was followed.

[iwantoutnow]

THIS IS ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT !

[JoseThePhd]

The elections were attended at 62%; the losing candidate (from Zelaya's party) accepted the loss. Honduras needs to restart its life and this new president will do it. Zelaya never got to change the law to perpetuate himself in power, so his claims to presidency end with the new president taking the power that the Hondurans gave him in the election.

[libertits]

I think these gringos who think that are like crazy christian fanatics who think this is a mandate from god and a miracle.. Hondurans who are against the coup are supposed to accept an electoral process where the coup regime extends its illegal mandate? The constitution of Honduras FORBIDS any election taking place under illegitimate conditions. Your faith in solving things like a fairy tale is sick, unless you just want to ignore us, but then you can screw yourselves, you dont rule us.

[poitrenaud]

You write well; but like MOST Liberals, who love Communism, you are not as Smart or "intellectual" as YOU believe you are; nor those who agree with you do either. It is a aura of "superiority" which smells like the Dead Herring in the Moonlight-

I bet you never worked a Day of back breaking Labor in your life; YET, YOU Know --don't you--what is best for the "working man-"

You are like Tuberculosis-

Trechina-

Virus-

You need a strong Antibiotic-

Maybe 5 years in a Soviet Gulag to change your mind

[libertits]

Funny. You are a walking paradox. You speak about communism: For people like you social reforms, that benefit a crumb more slaves like you are already communism. You clearly don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. Your communiparanoia, something you inherited from your fascist Presidents from Theodore Roosevelt til Bush/Obama, is simply laughable. I am not a communist, nor do i give you the right to label me. I don't ignore the reality of MY PEOPLE,

[libertits]

I don't give a rat's ass about a Soviet Gulag, we speak here about Honduras. Besides, there are no such things even in Cuba. The Cold war is over, welcome to postmodern age and say good-bye to caveman thinking and inquisition! NO-ONE deserves to be repressed, less murdered because of thinking differently, no scapegoat can justify this. You shoudl read a bit about Pinochet, Franco, Hitler, and Mussolini and their basic principle: ANTI-COMMUNISM, ANTI SEMITISM justifies all murders.

[poitrenaud]

"...because of thinking differently-"

YOUR words! Funny, try to "think differently" in Cuba-

Gulags don't exist?

Castro Murders people, the rest he starves, and who is left over cannot even leave the country on their own accord-

Caveman thinking?

You must look like some indian freak, hoping Darwin's theory IS correct, then maybe in 2 Million years you might resemble a human being-

In the meantime, jump back into your cage, you subhuman scum-

You deserve Communism-

[libertits]

I surely resemble much more of a human being than you do. If that's your picture you look like a Neanderthal to me, when also your arguments and name calling resemble that of a fucking monkey.

And I think I already told you you should have thrown yourself in the nuclear tests your god Chirac made for the good of humanity. Nazi fuck.

[libertits]

There have never been Gulags in Cuba, but like your own version of Darwin's theory of "human different species" (lol) you simply get information out of your imagination (ass).

Those indians you talk about were light years advanced in astronomy and mathematics, used the zero before any culture did, knew the milky way, that the Earth was round, when Europeans were still in loincloths and climbing trees like monkeys.

[libertits]

They are still trying figure out the advances,these "inferior" beings, how illiterate people like youcall them, did for humanity. Fucking ignorant idiot. Being French doesn't grant you neither intelligence nor disguises your immense ignorance, ugliness, bigotry and savagery, retrograde old magnificent piece of shit. You are the kind who should die out the scum of the planet, who keep everything backwards.

[libertits]

People like you, i.e.-fascists are the real scum of the world. Neither communism nor capitalism are the devil, it is just people who practice anything--from a political ideology to a religion the ones who do all the harm. Can your small brain conceive that? Micheletti is a dictator. Capitalist can also be extremist and that is called fascism. Do you think that only left wing presidents are capable of being despotic and assassins? Get out of that bubble, you poor person.

[libertits]

You are exactly like the nazis, you think you have the right to say who is the tuberculosis of the world and this justifies my murder. You ask me who is the virus of the world. It is only people like you, disgusting pig. I don't need antibiotics, you are the pig in a cage on antibiotics. The world is not perfect, deinfected nor clean, your cleanising freakness is dirt in the universe of diversity. You are wrong.

[flawedbeauty82]

Actually, your slur about liberals is a LIE. Frankly, YOU'RE not as smart as you're making libertits believe you are. You nor I know nothing about whether or not he/she worked a day in his/her life, so that's really not our place to determine that.

[libertits]

If anything, I regretted losing my time with such a retard like patagonian warrior, so no, you are wrong.

You cannot argue with someone with the intelligence of a beast and a savage, no matter how many rational arguments you make, especially political and religious fundamentalists.

[libertits]

This is so much bullshit.. Elections are going to solve things? So elections will magically erase everything that has happened according to the gringo realpolitik? It will erase the deaths, the human rights violations, taking out a democratically elected president and especially the minds and consciousness of Hondurans? AP stop repeating the bullshit your government tells you. The Honduran people DID NOT VOTE IN THESE ELECTIONS, because they were militarized, massive human rights abuses

[PatagonianWarrior]

@libertits : they were militarized? go and tell this to Hugo Chavez people.... but let me guess: you won't.

[libertits]

it's pretty much your problem if you don't want to see things. Stop using a scapegoat who has nothing to do with Honduras (i.e.-Chávez) to justify a 13 year old, being shot by the military during "elections" and hundreds of people repressed. They were militarized and moch more than in previous occassions, not only that, but if you ask me, throwing tear gas grenades at people who demonstrate peacefully is not quite what i could call "security". but let me guess: you won't conceive that.

[libertits]

If Chávez militarizes his own country, this is not Venezuela what we're talking about, but you Pinochettistas always like to use strawman arguments to justify human rights violations. It's not that they were militarized what is worrying, but that repression DID take place, and mind you, but I don't find elections under an illegal regime, a MILITARY DICTATORSHIP quite valid. They have a lot of logistics to bloat urns, you know? Especially with the help of US technology, not to mention grenades

[PatagonianWarrior]

@libertits : first of all to make it clear, I am not a Pinochetista... I put Pinochet on the same "side" as your beloved leftwing dictators. They all deserve to be judged! Secondly, if it is "not worrying they were militarized", you are contradicting yourself, as you blamed this to happen in Honduras (which i do not see that way). It seems you have 2 scales to judge it. Militarism is to be blamed, if it's right wing, but if it's left wing, like in Venezuela or in Cuba, it's ok. Hypocracy? guess

[PatagonianWarrior]

@PatagonianWarrior: it's not only hypcocracy, but VERY childish hypocracy. But it doesn't surprise me at all.

By the way, what happens in Venezuela and Cuba is REALLY human rights abuse, as constitutional institutions that were there to protect the people from anxious self-loving caudillas, have been destroyed. I don't see you complaining about this, how come? I Venezuela, you have no real media anymore, only stateoriented channels are allowed to broadcast. Judicative is not independent...

[PatagonianWarrior]

... and have been replaced by Chavez loyal "judges". Something that in a real democracy is unimaginable! Chavez has prepared everything and has caved out every instrument, that keeps a democracy in balance. Now he can be sure, that he will remain in power, even against the will of people. He will have a similar "success" as the Castros in Cuba. Bravo! Zelaya was intending to imitate it, but your countrymen and women, concious of what was going to happen, did not silence. I can only bow to this.

[libertits]

It's spelled "hypocresy". Learn at least to write your tag.

[PatagonianWarrior]

@libertits : thanks for the spelling correction. And it's much, and not "moch" like you wrote in one of your several errors too. But that was not my point. English is not my main language, so if this is the crucial thing and argument left for you to point out and critizise on my last comments, I guess we finally agree, huh?

[libertits]

That was a typo, not a spelling mistake. You repeated the word "hypocrasy" twice, which means you are so illiterate that cannot even tell a typo from a spelling mistake, which you made not me.

[PatagonianWarrior]

@libertits : "u" and "o" are not letters standing side by side on the keyboard, so whats the point about typo. Don''t get silly. You wanted to make a point with that, and it went wrong. End of the BIIIG Spelling Story. Don't you have anything worth to write or read? Think not... except calling everybody "fascist" again...

[libertits]

@PatagonianWarrior you are clearly so fascist.. this is such a typical argument coming from peolple like you: you blame m e of your own faults: first of all, let me point you out, in case you are amnesiac that your "hypocrasy" spelling mistake (typo is something else) was done out of ignorance, not out of an accident and that's what i meant.

[libertits]

My "moch" typo was really an accident. If you can use logic, which you clearly don't, I can spell much more complicated words than "much" to make such a ridiculous spelling mistake. There is no way you can type "hypocrasy" twice, it being a typo, and not a spelling mistake, because you are illiterate and a complete ignorant.

[libertits]

If you knew the first thing about my country, although I don't know what your motivation is in speakiong about somjething you have no fucking clue about to damage us, because you already insulted me, ignored what i as a honduran told you, what my family is suffering, yet you insist (you bet i take that as an insult, and it is only reasonable to) you would know that the same coup leaders own 90% of the media, they own everything. But you wouldn't know that and I'm sure you'll go on ignoring it.

[libertits]

In German keyboards the "o" and the "u" are practically next to each other. so there you go. I am not an English native speaker, neither am I a German native speaker, but i'd never make such a mistake like "hypocrasy" . Also your German could do a bit better. and yes, at least I admit that i am taking the piss and love to do that with people who do that themselves, like you.

[PatagonianWarrior]

sorry girl, but I have a german keyboard myself... so don't be a liar, once and for all! there is an "i" inbetween, so I would have believed you if you had written "mich" instead of "much".

Anyway, thanks to confirm you are evading the main theme.

[libertits]

I don't agree with misinformed fascists who are such fanatics of dissing at other presidents instead of seeing what is being done now in Honduras. You clearly can't understand what i meant when i said "being a right wing capitalist dictator doesn't make you any better than anyone else", which means that the fact that Micheletti is right wing doesnt mean he is doing anything better than anyone else, he is one of the worst dictators in latinamerica, like your Pinochet. Retards need paraphrasing.

[PatagonianWarrior]

@libertits : as far as we know, Micheletti belongs to the same liberal party as Zelaya belonged too. So politically and originally they couldn't have stand thaaaat far away. But if you like to throw arround with your "arguments" like "facist" to everybody who does not agree with your opinion, well... look who's talking about "paraphrasing" now! ROFL

[libertits]

You don't need to call yourself a Pinochettista to be one. You see, fascism is all pretty much the same: the use of scapegoats for national unity, the goebbels inspired media. Do you have at least two neurons in your brain? Media doesn't tell the truth, you don't live in Venezuela, you only listen like any ignorant person what the mainstream media tells you.

[PatagonianWarrior]

@libertits : you are getting ver nasty and out of focus in this discussion. If you think that personal attacks towards my person (you don't even know me on this site for more than some minutes) is something which will cause people to think you are right, you insult people's intellect. Of course there are some that will agree your political position, but they are helpless.

[libertits]

And it's not hypocrisy. Learn to argue without the use of strawman arguments. The topic here is HONDURAS and we live under a dictatorship. I'm not contradicting myself, because you clearly suffer from cognition problems and brain damage. Do you know what sarcasm is? Elections have been previously militarized in Honduras, but this is at least 60% more than it ever was. The fact is that soldiers can be there, but they interfere, repress people, these are no conditions for elections to take place

[libertits]

Stop being such a wiseass. Your use of irrelevant arguments ignoring the whole is just so laughable and pathetic. You don't make any valid points, because you don't stick to fucking subject in the first place. You don't see it because you are Chilean and live in Chile. My mother, my father, my sisters saw this militarization, what's more--the REPRESSION. they LIVE in the city where most of this repression took place. MY mother is a teacher and my dad a doctor, they are not terrorists

[libertits]

PatagonianWarrior says: "I don't see any militarization", yet he lives in Chile. Can anyone be any more of an imbecile? I have tons of videos i got from friends in Nov 30th. You limit yourself to see this militarization in videos, because you are not omnipotent, nor can teleport to see what happened. A 13-year old was shot by the military, a reuters reporter was taken away by the mlitary, two monks workign for a nobel peace price reporting human rights abuses were also detained. WHAT THE FUCK?

[libertits]

if you are BLIND and don't want to see the militarization, the REPRESSION in the 50 videos uploaded yesterday, that's your fucking problem. but please, if you don't inform yourself from all sides and talk shit about my country, so self-righteously and with such a LAUGHABLE STATEMENT AS "I DONT SEE THE MILITARIZATION" please do us all and yourself a favor and stop being so pathetic and making an idiot out of yourself (which you CLEARLY already are), You are the MEANING of a Pinochettista

[flawedbeauty82]

I am no longer going to visit a country that has been taken over by a military dictatorship.

[libertits]

Good for you, though unfortunately, it's your loss too in view that being taken by a military dictatorship does not mean that they are not immensely beautiful and naturally paradisiac.

[flawedbeauty82]

This is true, it's a double-edged sword of sorts. I could change my mind and just visit your country. A little hypocritical on me though.

[abarzilai664]

No doubt this election will complicate things even more.