Terrible directing/cutting/producing is more painful because your ears tell you that you are missingsome awesome playing. Common sin during this ere.See other Cream vids. Shame cause they were sooo effing Great!
Drummers have it harder than most all musicians. It takes so much energy as they get older they often lose their abilities, maybe not totally but they are seldom not as good as they were hen they were 25. For instance, the drummer for Lynard Skynard(Artimus Pyle, I think), was refused re-entry as he just didn't cut it anymore. Even Mitch Mitchell could not make auditions. It's a struggle to maintain your playing abilities. When you hit 50 or so, there are some amazing younger competion.
I always (since 67) wondered what the cue for Bruce and Clapton to play in at the end of the solo in Toad, now I know. I'm not a trap set player so I don't know how to describe it, but the cue is the tom-tom thing ending on a cymbal crash. Maybe a drummer could describe it better. I'll bet they missed the cue a few times in all of those concerts. I saw Cream twice.
This camera work is really annoying. Wouldn't it be great to actually watch him play the friggin drums instead of the shots constantly changing? These "directors" or "producers" or whatever the hell they are don't know anything about producing good concert footage.
@jdrum12 Apparently Clapton never spoke with the director again after viewing the Farewell concert footage. It's the only full concert of Cream ever filmed.
They played their souls out ,like a high wire act, no net .This was the last impression anyone would have of the world's premier super group of musicians ,not "mop tops",onstage at the most respected venue in Great Britain.
Saw them in Detroit 1968 Bird's Eye View over Ginger Baker and mesmerized by those double bass train rolling ,.,,,God...Clapton spent the whole concert with his back to the audience so I could see everything he was doing Life Altering, will NEVER FORGET.
@ybot1983 The jazz/blues/ rock three way was revolutionary & familiar at the same time.Bonham was Ringo on steroids A solid solid foundation.Nothing surprising but a beat a riff could live in .Even Ginger dug him..Better than Moon .but Moonie was a blast -really undisciplined-,flashy but down to business when the arrangement demanded..Mitch was very tight,precise -his military style had smart ass funk !Loved em all.Sorry I got carried away .but i agree.
it's good to know that some people actually apreciate real music instead of that vocal dominated synthesizer pop crap that has been forcibly thrust unto the world long live classic rock!!!
Ginger Baker and John Bonham were at the top of my rock drummer chart with Moon, Mitchell, Appice, Dryden, Densmore & Watts down one level. That's my opinion as a pro jazz drummer in LA while in high school in the 1960's, And Baker with Jack Bruce ( my fave rock bassist) and Eric Clapton listened to and played off of each other in the best jazz sense . Live, Zep and The Who did a bit of that . Bonhan & Baker- monster players in a No Practitioner/Salieri zone.
Nothing against Bonhham, but he was more or less a practicioner of the heavy metal "four/four thud." As some one else said, Baker was an accomplished jazz drummer.
Thats actually my all-time favorite Zeppelin tune. I like the soaring guitar riff. I'm not much up on drums. I've heard the triplets Bonham plays on the song are remarkable. I think he got it from Vanilla Fudge's drummer Carmen Appice, or was it Vinnie?
@beelzabubba Because Cream dying early ,it frustrated Atlantic's Ertegan,he made up for it with the hasty assembly & heavy promotion of a handful of session players & one "marquee" player -Yardbird orphan Page , that became the household name he wanted Cream to have been.
Because people don't have the passion or the drive to learn and inject themselves into the music anymore. Or the creative juices to match.
The days of Jimi Hendrix, The Cream, The Doors, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, Led Zeppelin, The Jeff Beck Group, Buddy Guy, B.B. King, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, Aretha Franklin, Otis Rush, James Brown, Ritchie Havens, Santana, Bo Diddley, Crosby Stills Nash & Young and even the Beatles are long gone my friend.
@kingkull0423 You dare speak of drive and/or passion and fail to mention one Jerome Garcia, Frank Zappa, Ray Davies, Lou Reed or even Buddy Holly. I guess overall you are right, just ain't the same. Even Trey from Phish, although a technical wizard, doesn't have the EMOTION. Almost EVERY time Jerry sang Wharf Rat or Black Peter, or many others, you could feel the pain and loss he felt. Maybe we're just old and Brittney Spears has alot more to say than Neil or Willie. God save us all.
@headlygrange3 because music like this wouldn't sell these days.... no one gettin' capped, or raping strippers, or killing cops. That's the shit that sells these days.
@demravager Is there any particular reason I've yet to see Buddy Rich mentioned? I know he's not a glam magnet but c'mon. Have you ever seen or heard dude? It's sick how he rails.
@demravager Is there any particular reason I've yet to see Buddy Rich mentioned? I know he's not a glam magnet but c'mon. Have you ever seen or heard dude? It's sick how he rails.
@bfish89ryuhayabusa Could never forget Krupa- that solo in sing sing sing back in the 40's -he was the Ginger of his time.that Sub-Saharan village to village thing on his toms was infectious .It got a lot of guys laid !
Ginger Baker changed drumming . As much as Hendrix change Guitar. Clapton did not change Guitar just took it to a new level.
To bad , there was rumors of Johnny Winter and Baker , back then Winter was the highest paid ever musician , check out some old Winter , he and Baker were the fastest.
Hendix did jam with Cream , that should be posted and if so plaese let me know .
Baker was real good. Bonham said in an interview once that ha did Moby Dick because he wanted a song with a drum solo like TOAD. I personally think that Bonham is the better drummer of the two, in fact the best rock and roll drummer yet. Ginger is a close second along with tons of others; Ian Paice not withstanding.
ok i think its safe for anyone to say CLAPTON IS GOD! there is no-one better not hendrix, SRV, or david gilmour noone can beat eric clapton he is the best fucking guitarist in history....LONG LIVE CLAPTON!
No doubt Baker was a HUGE influence on John Bonham...just listen to this solo and then to Moby Dick live...but give it up to Bonham because he did it and more with a much smaller kit and one bass drum. Ginger is great.. he like Bonham changed drumming and those songs would not be the same without him..how many drummers can say that they actually make a difference in the song most of them can be easily replaced and people wouldn't notice!
I'm a guitar player, and I think beats are important, but I don't look into the drummer nearly as much as I look into the guitars, and the guitarists etc. but what you said is SO right.
Ginger Baker had one advantage over many of the drummers at the time. He used Double-Bass in much of his work. What made Ginger unique is his ability to change time signatures and just go fucking nuts on his bass drum triplets.
@drumshredder His early aspirations of being a world class cyclist & the training towards that helped.He even qualified for "Team Hercules " one of the giants of Tour racing.
Between Mitch and Ginger, well its a tough discision. Mitch was self tought, Ginger was semi-trained. Ginger played solos ranging from 8-15 minutes, Mitch had difficulty playing advanced solos. Both had great bands, and were pioneers, virtous, and creaters of intense intricate sounds that rocked
by the time Hendrix came around Ginger was already with Cream. Hendrix couldnt really just choose people, he was kinda stuck with what he got. and he made the best of it, but Baker is a way better drummer than Mitch (though he is fantastic). As your watching this video keep in mind that Ginger said "that peformance wasnt very good"
ginger is excellent..different than bonham both are masters..peter criss played on a 10th grade high school level and never played a fill that any student couldnt learn instantly..neither one are as good as billy cobham
I saw Led Zep three times in their prime. John Bonham was the greatest drummer ever. You had to see him live to capture the experience. His drumming was a lead instrument.
That you are even comparing Bonham and Baker shows your LACK of musical knowledge! Ginger Baker was a jazz-influenced drummer who played a totally different style than John Bonham's more straight forward powerdrumming. Both totally punish, each in different ways. So, go run home to your mamas and get some more schoolin' before you start spoutin' off again!
its pointless to compare these monsters but actually Bonham was a funk, R/B, Motown style drummer. Though yes he was heavily influenced by moon and baker..
@NilezII Baker could do anything Bonham did -if it was called for.I also offer that Bonham was the perfect choice for Zepp's simpler, non exploratory arrangements.Paired with it's girl singer, Bonham's solid plodding ,provided Zeppelin a stable foundation.
Terrible directing/cutting/producing is more painful because your ears tell you that you are missingsome awesome playing. Common sin during this ere.See other Cream vids. Shame cause they were sooo effing Great!
thatrandomguy234 3 months ago
Ginger's so fucking good he changed shirt in the middle of the solo.
claptonbrucebaker 7 months ago
Baker was probably one of the greatest rock and roll drummers that ever lived!! Nobody could touch his playing!
He did have a bit of an edge though. Methadrine!!
nickthewhat 9 months ago
Drummers have it harder than most all musicians. It takes so much energy as they get older they often lose their abilities, maybe not totally but they are seldom not as good as they were hen they were 25. For instance, the drummer for Lynard Skynard(Artimus Pyle, I think), was refused re-entry as he just didn't cut it anymore. Even Mitch Mitchell could not make auditions. It's a struggle to maintain your playing abilities. When you hit 50 or so, there are some amazing younger competion.
cooltooth112 11 months ago
I always (since 67) wondered what the cue for Bruce and Clapton to play in at the end of the solo in Toad, now I know. I'm not a trap set player so I don't know how to describe it, but the cue is the tom-tom thing ending on a cymbal crash. Maybe a drummer could describe it better. I'll bet they missed the cue a few times in all of those concerts. I saw Cream twice.
bamboosa 1 year ago
This camera work is really annoying. Wouldn't it be great to actually watch him play the friggin drums instead of the shots constantly changing? These "directors" or "producers" or whatever the hell they are don't know anything about producing good concert footage.
jdrum12 1 year ago 4
@jdrum12 Apparently Clapton never spoke with the director again after viewing the Farewell concert footage. It's the only full concert of Cream ever filmed.
IXIBobOhIXI 1 year ago
@IXIBobOhIXI I don't blame him. He must've been disappointed when seeing this..
jdrum12 2 months ago
@jdrum12 - This has been going on all the time for at least a decade.
If you're a spaz, they make you a director (film, video).
7855waldo 2 months ago
I think music today, is written too much around drum machines. This vid shows why they should be chucked out with the trash.
Toylandsrs 1 year ago
@Toylandsrs Amen to that Brother....
GalaxyHorse 1 year ago
1:50 - Jimi Hendrix - I Don't Live for Today (Royal Albert Hall)
haha
RastafariPoet 1 year ago
That's it Cat Weasel ... give em the filth!
Rikitocker 1 year ago
They played their souls out ,like a high wire act, no net .This was the last impression anyone would have of the world's premier super group of musicians ,not "mop tops",onstage at the most respected venue in Great Britain.
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago 3
Saw them in Detroit 1968 Bird's Eye View over Ginger Baker and mesmerized by those double bass train rolling ,.,,,God...Clapton spent the whole concert with his back to the audience so I could see everything he was doing Life Altering, will NEVER FORGET.
karenofbethany 1 year ago
I CAN HEAR ELVIN, AND BLAKEYS INFLUENCE AND MAYBE A HINT OF ROACH.....THE GINGER!!!!!
fleetwoodbrawm 1 year ago
@fleetwoodbrawm Good ear
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
Ginger Baker, John Bonham and Keith Moon. Three of the greatest rock drummers in history.
starryian007 1 year ago
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I cant seperate Mitch Mitchell and Baker the jazz style with rock backing sounds better than Bonham to me
ybot1983 1 year ago
@ybot1983 The jazz/blues/ rock three way was revolutionary & familiar at the same time.Bonham was Ringo on steroids A solid solid foundation.Nothing surprising but a beat a riff could live in .Even Ginger dug him..Better than Moon .but Moonie was a blast -really undisciplined-,flashy but down to business when the arrangement demanded..Mitch was very tight,precise -his military style had smart ass funk !Loved em all.Sorry I got carried away .but i agree.
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
it's good to know that some people actually apreciate real music instead of that vocal dominated synthesizer pop crap that has been forcibly thrust unto the world long live classic rock!!!
sjproductions100 1 year ago
Ginger Baker and John Bonham were at the top of my rock drummer chart with Moon, Mitchell, Appice, Dryden, Densmore & Watts down one level. That's my opinion as a pro jazz drummer in LA while in high school in the 1960's, And Baker with Jack Bruce ( my fave rock bassist) and Eric Clapton listened to and played off of each other in the best jazz sense . Live, Zep and The Who did a bit of that . Bonhan & Baker- monster players in a No Practitioner/Salieri zone.
WestLAGuy 1 year ago
Mitch Mitchell is better
guilhermevideira17 1 year ago
@guilhermevideira17
Mitch Mitchell was very underated.
Cthulu54 1 year ago
@Cthulu54 Really... =(
But Ginger is a Fantastic Drummer Too.
guilhermevideira17 7 months ago
Nothing against Bonhham, but he was more or less a practicioner of the heavy metal "four/four thud." As some one else said, Baker was an accomplished jazz drummer.
Cthulu54 1 year ago
@Cthulu54 Totally wrong. Listen to "Good Times, Bad Times" - the bass drum work on that song was unprecedented. That's just one example.
beowulf1963 1 year ago
@beowulf1963
Thats actually my all-time favorite Zeppelin tune. I like the soaring guitar riff. I'm not much up on drums. I've heard the triplets Bonham plays on the song are remarkable. I think he got it from Vanilla Fudge's drummer Carmen Appice, or was it Vinnie?
Cthulu54 1 year ago
Ginger Baker was in a class by himself and most kids today don't know who he is
beelzabubba 1 year ago
@beelzabubba Because Cream dying early ,it frustrated Atlantic's Ertegan,he made up for it with the hasty assembly & heavy promotion of a handful of session players & one "marquee" player -Yardbird orphan Page , that became the household name he wanted Cream to have been.
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
CLAPTON IS GOD
zaqary12 2 years ago 8
we can
samuelshepard 2 years ago
Nope.
Entwistle54 2 years ago
...yes?
samuelshepard 2 years ago
I'll never understand why nobody can play muisc like this anymore.
headlygrange3 2 years ago 22
Me and my band are going to.
A renaissance of good music!
FanvanJimmy 2 years ago 2
@headlygrange3
Because people don't have the passion or the drive to learn and inject themselves into the music anymore. Or the creative juices to match.
The days of Jimi Hendrix, The Cream, The Doors, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, Led Zeppelin, The Jeff Beck Group, Buddy Guy, B.B. King, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, Aretha Franklin, Otis Rush, James Brown, Ritchie Havens, Santana, Bo Diddley, Crosby Stills Nash & Young and even the Beatles are long gone my friend.
kingkull0423 2 years ago 2
@kingkull0423 You dare speak of drive and/or passion and fail to mention one Jerome Garcia, Frank Zappa, Ray Davies, Lou Reed or even Buddy Holly. I guess overall you are right, just ain't the same. Even Trey from Phish, although a technical wizard, doesn't have the EMOTION. Almost EVERY time Jerry sang Wharf Rat or Black Peter, or many others, you could feel the pain and loss he felt. Maybe we're just old and Brittney Spears has alot more to say than Neil or Willie. God save us all.
mistressgita 1 year ago
@mistressgita
I didn't fail to mention them I just couldn't mention them all. & yes I totally agree with you...GOD save us all.
kingkull0423 1 year ago
@headlygrange3 because music like this wouldn't sell these days.... no one gettin' capped, or raping strippers, or killing cops. That's the shit that sells these days.
BrianWilsonJacob 2 years ago 3
@BrianWilsonJacob Yes, and it is so very sad. Programming the minds of the young. Our future is in peril!
ladyfuschia 1 year ago
Ginger Baker!! Greatest drummer ever!!! Hands down
bravebelt67 3 years ago 4
he's one of the greats, but you can't forget bonham, moon, mitchell, and pert
demravager 2 years ago 15
@demravager Is there any particular reason I've yet to see Buddy Rich mentioned? I know he's not a glam magnet but c'mon. Have you ever seen or heard dude? It's sick how he rails.
mistressgita 1 year ago
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@demravager Is there any particular reason I've yet to see Buddy Rich mentioned? I know he's not a glam magnet but c'mon. Have you ever seen or heard dude? It's sick how he rails.
mistressgita 1 year ago
@demravager Buddy Rich ,Chico Hamilton,Tony Williams ,Carl Palmer try those on for size
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
@TumbrelJockey Don't forget Gene Krupa!
bfish89ryuhayabusa 1 year ago
@bfish89ryuhayabusa Could never forget Krupa- that solo in sing sing sing back in the 40's -he was the Ginger of his time.that Sub-Saharan village to village thing on his toms was infectious .It got a lot of guys laid !
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
ginger baker was incredible...he , in alot of ways made cream what they were. granted clapton and bruce were also great ...but ginger was amazing..
truetone77 3 years ago 2
whtas this song?
quierounjazmin 3 years ago
TOAD
beelzabubba 3 years ago
Ginger Baker changed drumming . As much as Hendrix change Guitar. Clapton did not change Guitar just took it to a new level.
To bad , there was rumors of Johnny Winter and Baker , back then Winter was the highest paid ever musician , check out some old Winter , he and Baker were the fastest.
Hendix did jam with Cream , that should be posted and if so plaese let me know .
Check out his Son , just as good Kofi Baker
sadhouse 4 years ago
Baker was real good. Bonham said in an interview once that ha did Moby Dick because he wanted a song with a drum solo like TOAD. I personally think that Bonham is the better drummer of the two, in fact the best rock and roll drummer yet. Ginger is a close second along with tons of others; Ian Paice not withstanding.
beelzabubba 3 years ago
thats true Jimi n Clapton where like best friends...
eoj115 3 years ago 2
@sadhouse Bruce was in talks with Jimi & Tony Williams to form a "dream band" near the time of Blind Faith's & The Band of Gypsies formation.
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
ok i think its safe for anyone to say CLAPTON IS GOD! there is no-one better not hendrix, SRV, or david gilmour noone can beat eric clapton he is the best fucking guitarist in history....LONG LIVE CLAPTON!
baronacebass 4 years ago
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Steve Vai, John McLaughlin (possibly), Randy Rhoads (another possibly, very close if not better), Marty Friedman, Jason Becker...
Nannada1212 3 years ago
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roberthillcox 2 years ago
Baker and Bruce were a jazz unit onstage. They just didn't tell Eric.
TheSanityInspector 4 years ago 2
this the holy truth inspector. The bad -for him - is that he does not got it yet.
wwwarburg 4 years ago
exactly
xanderer 3 years ago
No doubt Baker was a HUGE influence on John Bonham...just listen to this solo and then to Moby Dick live...but give it up to Bonham because he did it and more with a much smaller kit and one bass drum. Ginger is great.. he like Bonham changed drumming and those songs would not be the same without him..how many drummers can say that they actually make a difference in the song most of them can be easily replaced and people wouldn't notice!
vettezeppelin 4 years ago
WELL SAID.
I'm a guitar player, and I think beats are important, but I don't look into the drummer nearly as much as I look into the guitars, and the guitarists etc. but what you said is SO right.
jlevyx 4 years ago 2
Ginger Baker had one advantage over many of the drummers at the time. He used Double-Bass in much of his work. What made Ginger unique is his ability to change time signatures and just go fucking nuts on his bass drum triplets.
drumshredder 4 years ago
@drumshredder His early aspirations of being a world class cyclist & the training towards that helped.He even qualified for "Team Hercules " one of the giants of Tour racing.
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
Between Mitch and Ginger, well its a tough discision. Mitch was self tought, Ginger was semi-trained. Ginger played solos ranging from 8-15 minutes, Mitch had difficulty playing advanced solos. Both had great bands, and were pioneers, virtous, and creaters of intense intricate sounds that rocked
kbazewic 5 years ago
mitch was much better than ginger no doubt. otherwise hendrix would have chosen ginger
knarfinator 5 years ago
by the time Hendrix came around Ginger was already with Cream. Hendrix couldnt really just choose people, he was kinda stuck with what he got. and he made the best of it, but Baker is a way better drummer than Mitch (though he is fantastic). As your watching this video keep in mind that Ginger said "that peformance wasnt very good"
Hektor88 5 years ago
Mitch Mitchell is the best. Listen Manic Depression,Fire,She`s so fine,and Third Stone From the Sun,for example.
franciscovaldevez 5 years ago
Ann and Nancy Wilson. Now, THERE's a power trio.
blah6969696969 5 years ago
Yeah, because Ann counts as two tee hee
peacelord 5 years ago
ginger is excellent..different than bonham both are masters..peter criss played on a 10th grade high school level and never played a fill that any student couldnt learn instantly..neither one are as good as billy cobham
LADYxGORE 5 years ago
Dear LadyxGore, I noticed you're a mortician. I was for many years, now retired due to a little bit of a bad back.
anhacus 5 years ago
I saw Led Zep three times in their prime. John Bonham was the greatest drummer ever. You had to see him live to capture the experience. His drumming was a lead instrument.
anhacus 5 years ago
You could really say the same thing for Ginger, too, I'd say. Particularly on a solo like this, of course.
thekman798 5 years ago
I think Peter Criss totally is way better than anyones mom on the drums.
flipjack 5 years ago 2
That you are even comparing Bonham and Baker shows your LACK of musical knowledge! Ginger Baker was a jazz-influenced drummer who played a totally different style than John Bonham's more straight forward powerdrumming. Both totally punish, each in different ways. So, go run home to your mamas and get some more schoolin' before you start spoutin' off again!
fuzzedoutmama 5 years ago 11
I was never comparing them in the first place.
IXIBobOhIXI 5 years ago
its pointless to compare these monsters but actually Bonham was a funk, R/B, Motown style drummer. Though yes he was heavily influenced by moon and baker..
phlizmo 5 years ago
@fuzzedoutmama you sir, are corney
TheFrenziedGamer 1 year ago
Saying that Baker was as good as Bonham is like saying Mozart was as good as Salieri!
NilezII 5 years ago 5
I never said Baker was as good as Bonham. I said that he should be a household name like Bonham.
IXIBobOhIXI 5 years ago
I never said that. . .
IXIBobOhIXI 5 years ago
@NilezII Baker could do anything Bonham did -if it was called for.I also offer that Bonham was the perfect choice for Zepp's simpler, non exploratory arrangements.Paired with it's girl singer, Bonham's solid plodding ,provided Zeppelin a stable foundation.
TumbrelJockey 1 year ago
sorry... I meant "Bonham"...
animaldan 5 years ago
wow... way better... though I agree Keith was great...
animaldan 5 years ago
wow man it hink it goes keith ginger and bonham tied for second then mitch mitchell
liam1240 5 years ago
yeah, you'd have to consider mitch mitchell. no one ever seems to notice how good he was.
bassethound22 5 years ago
thats because Mitch Mitchell really jsut copied Ginger Baker. Not to insult him or your taste, i think Mitch is great too, but it's true.
Hektor88 5 years ago
What do U mean..? my English is not good enough, sorrry fot that!
animaldan 5 years ago
I mean that Ginger should be on the same level as John Bonham
IXIBobOhIXI 5 years ago
It doesn't look bad..! in fact I thought you did this on purpose ..! as Ginger's rythm is so complex ..!!
animaldan 5 years ago
I think he should be regarded as well an Bonzo :(
IXIBobOhIXI 5 years ago
The Greatest ever... "Toad".
animaldan 5 years ago
It didnt upload properly :( oh well. . .Least we hear Ginger beat the shit outa his ludwig kit :D
IXIBobOhIXI 5 years ago