why label? if u think they're punk then let `em be.....and if u think they're not then that's ur opinion.......punk can't be label in what year they existed...they're just fortunate that they're old and been in the punk scene as they've said....for us who's been born in the 80's 90's 2k.....it's our gift from `em to cherish for the rest of our lives......just enjoy and stick to ur genre and be proud!
Don't ask John Lydon to respond to all this......as far as he's concerned the Sex Pistols and Public Image are the only bands worth considering and everything else sucks.......he is such a little spoiled child.
Everyone, I have made a video about boy bands and the music buisness and talking about underground music. You TUbe have tried to dissable the sound but I put the text in the "Description" box under the screen. Please come and check it out!
i see your idea but who are we to say whats punk whats not d.r.i. c.o.c. as good as the Ramon's iggy pop or the pretenders i love all punk ..different people like different music and in this case mike muir from suicidal tendencies liked metal and punk so they made crossover and the kids liked it so what if you don't like it don't complain people like different music
this is probably the worst time in music history. 2009 and 2010 I'm sure are gonna be dreadfull refferences in quotations of the punks of the future. And I don't se it clearing up any time soon. Not while Simon Cowall's arround. And Justin Bieber, when he came threw, I thought come on! Do we need any more of these guys??? One is too much, there ar elike five big shit bands who do nothing with music. And theres also a whole cene of these cheep teenage sentimental arrogant poser bands. DAMN IT!
@zeto330 Jello is a sellout now a days, i've been to a couple of gigs on his european tour, and the guy had the same speeches on every gig, wore thr same clothes, and said to a guy who tried to stage dive : "this is my stage, can't you see i'm tryin ' to do a show here!" Sad...
What I really dont like about this overall well done and researched documentary is the unexplainable omission of the whole American 80s hardcore punk scene. I mean, they show Limp Bizkit and Blink 182 and they skip Bad Religion, Social Distortion, NOFX, Descendents and the Misfits? YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME MAN
I love it when people say "music is this, punk is just this and nothing else.." Henry Rollins even said how fascist some in punk were, that you can't do this, you can't do that, etc. Just dig the music geez!
This video sucks. Punk has nothing to do with the dirty and smelly hippies of the late 60s and early 70s. If anything is smashed all of their free loving bullshit.
Punks get stuff done and solve problems. Hippies have fucked up our country and are the establishment now.
REAL PUNKS SHOWERED. Their are no more real punks unless it's older 30 somethings to 40 somethings. Kids today are just homeless people, not really punks at all. Real hardcore Punk died in the mid 80s. HIPPIES DON'T Shower. THE HIPPIE MOTO at woodstock WAS TO NOT SHOWER BACK IN THE 60S and to use that hummus shit under their arms.
Yes I laugh at ugly smelly hippies that think they're are punk rockers when really they're just smelly homeless people wearing emo clothing + hippie hair.
all of you are wrong.....punk is a way of life more like a culture its a fredom of expression a way to tell hey "fuck you all" punks don't give a shit about anybody's opinon.
@giutar24 this is true... and as a punk i gotta say fuck the new york dolls fuck glam rock fuck 77 music i cant stand that poppy lets dress up in drag and sing about love bull shit id rather be drunk at a minor threat show
What do you mean "as a punk?" Whether you like them or not, if you didn't have the Dolls then you wouldn't have the Ramones, if you didn't have the Ramones then you wouldn't have the Clash and so on....
@GilbertSyndrome you could say that about any type of music though i mean your telling me without nwa we wouldnt have gangster rap its a cop out to say kids arent gonna get pissed play three chords and say fuck my parents fuck the establishment fuck what people want me to be no dude thats not how it works your telling me that the adolescents were influenced by the dolls your high on propane and propane accessories
Err, where did i say the adolescents were influenced by the dolls? Can you copy and paste that for me instead of using king of the hill related comments? Fact is that if you didn't have the dolls, there'd be no ramones, without the ramones there wouldn't be much of any of those crappy punk bands from the 90's...
@GilbertSyndrome im not saying that yous said the adolescents were influenced by transgenders, by the way they were from the 80s and what im a horrible human being for denying that they were the stepping stone for punk rock fine than i guess i am but real punk rock isnt about hey im gonna open up a store and sell shit to kids so they can spend money on looking poor no its diy this is america god damn it do it yourself
What and who constitutes as stepping stones generally depends on who you ask. Punk is whatever you want it to be, that was the whole point, but most people assumed it was a strict set of morals that had to be lived by, punk can be anything, that was the message.
Maybe glam rock isn't punk to you, but the DIY ethic and lack of many chords is as much punk to others as other things are to you. Punk isn't just safety pins, mohawks and "whoooah's..." Its lots of things, early punk wasn't the crap it is today.
@GilbertSyndrome im not saying to be punk you have to get a leather jacket and an old fiftys herse and act like a cock i wear jeans and a band shirt so what nofx is crap because i belive they are pretty musicaly talented the anti heros are crap and so are the casualties no man thats punk singing about OH HEY I GOT NO JOB I GOT NO MONEY COME ON BABY LET ME BE YOUR HEARTH THROB no dude fuck that noise i want to hear dead cops thats punk
@brownboyskin The fact that you even label yourself shows you're a silly teenager with no clue what he's talking about. Bands from '79 onward don't get to be the "true" punk originators just because the meatheaded stereotype they quickly made of punk appealed to angry little latecomer boys. You probably consider nu-metal inspiring, 80s Metal-infused garbage like DRI, Biohazard, CoC to be more "punk" than the Ramones. What a joke. Metal ain't punk, neither is beer and slamdancing crap.
Whether you choose to like them or not, the Dolls were punk before punk was even thought of, punk was a word to fit what was happening, there are no rules, people just made rules up which is ironic considering "punk" is supposed to be about rebellion, or so people claim.... I'm not a fan of the Dolls, but i can appreciate the role they played.
Well its all a matter of taste, i prefer the older bands like the Damned and the Clash, i'm not big into glossy modern punk, i can't relate to kids singing about LA or losing their chick.
I'm pretty sure the natives would like their land back too, haha. Who do Ireland want their country back from exactly? The IRA aren't some proud group of men seeking fortune for their families, they're basically terrorists who murder and reek havoc in their own country, i have friends who had to leave Belfast because of the fighting. So carry on supporting them, you might as well support the Al Qaueda...
Therein lies the true aspect of punk eh? haha, fuck the dead people, i don't know them. Yeah, i didn't know anyone at 9/11, guess they should be fucked too? Its amazing how people show their true colours on YT.
@GilbertSyndrome lol you think i give a shit about 9/11 again didnt know em fuck em and im more of a rockabilly guy thank a punk rocker i cut off my mohawk a while ago
Well its all a matter of taste really. I prefer the likes of the Clash and the Damned, i can't relate to glossy modern bands who sing about LA and losing their chick and how bad school is, i'm 39 and i'm British.
If they don't give a shit then why are they always whining about what people think of them...? haha. I don't even know what a "punk" is anymore... back in the day it was just a way of making music, no limits and no talent.
Im sick of BB BRUNES!!! Paris would have had an interesting set of artists like Miggles, As Dragon and the Parisians if it werent for those jerks playing on Star Academie in their torn designed jeans and Nick Valensi guitars and all that...
It really wasn't anti-60s at all. You don't know what you're talking about. If anything it's just an extension of 60s bands like The Sonics, The Seeds, The 13th Floor Elevators, The Velvet Underground, etc. etc.
You haven't nary a fucking clue as to what the fuck you're talking about. It was always about ending the 60s and ending the long drawn out boring progressive songs as well.
The bands you named were drug using mental midgets.
Dick dale, link wray, johnny ray, gene vincent, now that was early music.
You really don't get it. Lenny Kaye (Patti Smiths guitarist, and notable early punk) compiled Nuggets, 60s garage rock, because that's all he listened to. It doesn't matter whether you think it was good or bad, the fact is that 60s bands had endless influence on punk bands. You can pretend that punk was about "ending the 60s", but you're wrong. And you write like an 8 year old. Are you 8 years old, little girl?
boy you are an inane and delusional retard if you've never heared of fast 50s surf guitar bands and people like dick dale, link wray, etc. if it wasn't for dick dale, there would be no fast punk, metal or fast alternative music. case closed
I know who Dick Dale is. He is public knowledge. I had a surf radio show in college. I'm not arguing that Dick Dale didn't have influence on punk rock. Of course he did.
btw rock n roll didn't start out with people who had long hair. les paul didn't have long hair, dick dale didn't have long hair, link wray didn't have long hair.
the rebelious rock n roll bands looked like tough greasers/surf side gang members with greased back hair.
with the late 60s came the faggoty era of rock n roll where people look and sung like sissies. robert plant anyone?
what punk did was take rock n roll back to it's roots and stripped it down again.
if thats the case, then it was motorhead that ripped discharge off, and motorhead was one of metallica and megadeths biggest influences. i dont think they ripped punk off tho, i think metal was just getting progressivley heavier and faster
i've seen lemmy mention how the ramones and punk was a big influence on motorhead, so yeah i think they did rip off punk because metal just wasn't fast. punk was the fast genre.
i don't think motorhead had anything as fast as discharge until 80 or 81.
thats not ripping punk off tho. if everyone who ahd influences was ripping therew influences off, then everyones a poser except the first caveman who banged on a rock
i think both genres are great and even if u dont like metal i think u should have respect for it at elast, because most metalhead have respect for punk even if they dont like it
of course they're ripping it off. a ton of metal bands did because THEY LIKED IT. i'm not talking shit on bands that rip it off. i never would. i don't like the metal bands that look like a bunch of hair farmer hippie fags that play these gay ass solos and then do a bunch of punk style fast chording and say punk is easy to play because it's not. when you look past the ramones, sex pistols and a few others you will soon learn that their was some complex techniques out their.
metallica and megadeth dont look like hippies tho, and they dont say punk is easy to play. hippies are like bilnd melon (which is a good band actually)
they dont look like fags either, its more homosexual to have a pink mohawk then long hair (im not saying i dont digg punk hair)
alot of hardcore bands has members with pink mohawks or other really faggoty hair like exploited and shit.
and who ever called metallica sissies? im pree sure everyone called them pussies AFTER they cut here hair, long hair is a symbol of rock and roll and has been since the late 60s, its rebelling against conformist pussies with short hair
you say a lot of hardcore bands had members with pink mohawks, well let's see them!
if you want to look at faggots + sissies with high pitched girly voices, look no farther than your gay ass judas priest singer + most hair metal bands of the 80s.
metallica were getting tired of being called sissies + were even being called out by a cartoon called beavis and butthead, then what happened? all of a sudden, they all cut their hair. ha ha ha ha
i hate judas priest and all hair metal bands so thats irrelevant
and metallica got more shit for cutting there hair then for having long hair
also, i never sed rock started out with long hair, i sed its been a symbol of rock since the 60s (which is has)
you sound very un-punk. in fact, u sound just as bad as preppy fucking conformists thinking that ur views are the only ones right. punk just means being urself, but ur saying its wrong for people to have long hair if thats what suits them?
punk was anti establishment too, and guess what? the clash and the ramones, along with many other punk bands are on a major label. its about the music, not ur hair or whether u have a beard or not. and metal was not "ripping off" anything, they jsut liked long hair, they may have been inspired y hippies or w/e but thats not ripping shit off. thats liking a style. guys have used long hair to rebel since biblical times.
Well, obviously the points you are making aren't ubiquitous. Some hardcore bands, like Deep Wound, had long hair and featured plenty of overwrought guitar solos.
I don't think they were rebellion specifically against the way hippies and prog rockers looked, but against what they stood for. Let's not forget that one of Johnny Rotten's favorite bands was Can, the epitome of communal hippie ethics in the late-60s/early-70s.
Right. Bands like the Circle Jerks. Good point, because Keith Morris had long hippie hair and smoked weed. You can keep your ignorant black and white opinions, but you're wrong.
you illiterate mental midget, you don't even know the l.a. hisotry. keith didn't even start out as the circle jerks original singer dumb fuck and when he joined them he didnt have dread locks, he had short surfer hair. the place where he lived was an anarchist flat/warehouse they hated hippies. he didn't even smoke pot. he was anti hippie, dumb fuck.
also Look up bands like the screamers, the crowd, ch3, and others because that stuff started in 77, IDJIT.
I'm very familiar with The Screamers, who I would assume you despise, considering they were partly responsible for the influx of artists into the punk movement.
It's obvious the anti-hippie sentiment wasn't pervasive. Read a Chuck Dukowski interview. He said that hippies in the late 70s were hypocritical, but that "he missed the party" in the 60s and that he had a lot of respect for that culture. Yikes! Could this issue be a little more gray than you're making it out to be!?
But many punk bands WERE on major labels. Never Mind the Bollocks (the quintessential artifact from that era) was released on Virgin, and the first single for the record was released on EMI.
the sex pistols didn't start out on emi dumb fuck. they had demos out for an entire year and it's not like they needed emi anyway with the press they got before they even signed with them.
No bands "start out" on a major label, that's not how it works. The Sex Pistols demos (Spunk) were recorded for the purpose of getting onto EMI. Which worked. Because they wanted to be on a major label.
incorrect. they started out on malcoms sex label but those weren't their big songs so they never cared about them, mental midget. emi was a full year later and after they had already been touring.
I'd like some sources on this one. Either way, it's irrelevant how they started out. Most bands very first releases are self-released. The Sex Pistols still grabbed onto a major label as soon as they could. How anti-establishment is that? Not very.
i have nothing to learn. you're fucking ignorant and are completely missing the point of what punk's about. sid vicious is rolling over in his grave. i will not answer because you have no idea what you are talking about and clearly need to be more informed about this shit. punk isn't about hating people that hate the same things you do, its about going against society WITH the people that share you same views and beliefs. u need to understand this before you speak. this is immature, so bye
I'm just responding to the fact that you said punk was about destroying the 60s. Knowing Greg Ginn, and that he has always been a Dead-Head (did you know that Greg Ginn loved the Grateful Dead?), the issue is more complicated than that. Lydon loved Can, Dukowski loved Zeppelin, Ginn loved the Dead. Deal with it.
I'm not comparing L.A. Hardcore to Iggy. I'm talking about punk in general. Iggy and the Stooges was considered a punk artist and they were influenced by the Doors and the Who. That's all I'm saying. I didn't say anything about L.A. Hardcore. I was responding to jobie1963's comment about the issue being more complicated than just "destroying the 60s", which I think is an accurate statement.
I'm from NY, so when I think of punk, "L.A. Hardcore" is not really what immediately pops into my head.
Maybe if you learned how to read, you would see that I claimed that Lydon loved Can, not Zeppelin. You can also add pretentious, art folker Tim Buckley to the list of Lydon's favorites. He also loved The Creation (60s), Neil Young (60s),
Black Flag formed as the band Panic as early as 1976. Dukowski didn't join until Summer '77, but that's still early, especially for the breed of punk they were playing. And he loved Zeppelin!
HAHAHA! Be honest, everyone, how many had to Google "oligophrenic"?
Look, I don't know why people come to YouTube to get so emotionally invested in stuff that OTHER PEOPLE did...just STFU, get out there, and do something for other people to argue about.
It's cute that you have to use personal attacks because you know that your arguments can't stand up to even the slightest criticism. Calling us stupid doesn't change the fact that you're simply wrong about punk rock destroying the sixties.
Music evolves organically; each genre borrows elements from the genres which immediately precede it. For punk rock, this means glam, garage, mod rock, freakbeat, 60s surf, the Motor City scene, and the downtown NY scene - all from the 60s (and early 70s).
metallica was the gateway for metal to get onto the radio, thats revolutionary if u ask me
metallica also almost single handedly created thrash metal, and they saw hair metal for what it was (pussy shit in it for the money and chicks) and gathered a following of people against hair metal. they inspired many teens to pick up a guitar, and they're music was fucking massive and exploded. i agree tht the stooges diserve a spot in the hall of fame, but metalica definitley diserves a spot aswell.
Handsome Dick Manitoba of the Dictators - favorite band of all time. The Dictators are the key link to fun junk and punk. Can't even get enough of those guys. no bullshit.
I missed seeing the original Dolls. But in 1976,David Jo and Syl toured with J.Geils Band. My friend and I skipped clsound-classes at Redford High in Detroit, got a bottle of bourbon and hung out with the Dolls during their sound-check..so Rock and Roll..My friend got sloppy drunk and spent the night in jail...Memories!
i wanted to be johnny thunders when i was in high school!!! thanks so much for posting this,more people need to recognize what punk rock really is and get this image of green day and blink 182 as punk out of their heads. I love psychodelic, "REAL" indi rock, art rock, grunge, hip hop(not todays crap)but punk rock is what opened my eyes to where music could be taken when i was around 12 yrs old. people dont realize how much these bands mean to todays music, just as much as the beatles(who i love)
Nirvana made everything looks stupid. RIP Kurt Cobain.
tukaibilam 2 months ago
7:00 .. where i was at
GiraffeApocalypse 2 months ago
Lol! Biafra's voice always cracks me up!
FractalBolt 3 months ago
@FractalBolt "But Jello, that trick never works." :P
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why label? if u think they're punk then let `em be.....and if u think they're not then that's ur opinion.......punk can't be label in what year they existed...they're just fortunate that they're old and been in the punk scene as they've said....for us who's been born in the 80's 90's 2k.....it's our gift from `em to cherish for the rest of our lives......just enjoy and stick to ur genre and be proud!
NiQui101 3 months ago
At this point in time playing in front of a communist flag would still upset the tea party douchebags.
emmers57 4 months ago
The american bands sound all shitty except for stooges and iggy
PompeusMagnus 4 months ago
mc5 are the motherfucking balls !!
murrayjonasson 4 months ago
Thank you, thank you for this!!!!
Rj2D2 4 months ago
Don't ask John Lydon to respond to all this......as far as he's concerned the Sex Pistols and Public Image are the only bands worth considering and everything else sucks.......he is such a little spoiled child.
Flipper79able 5 months ago
ifc needs to do a doc on the thrash metal movement of san fransico and l.a. and new york .
dstncowles 6 months ago
I think the Ramones got there cues from the Dictators, don't you?
PeterMayer 8 months ago
Everyone, I have made a video about boy bands and the music buisness and talking about underground music. You TUbe have tried to dissable the sound but I put the text in the "Description" box under the screen. Please come and check it out!
desasterz 8 months ago
i see your idea but who are we to say whats punk whats not d.r.i. c.o.c. as good as the Ramon's iggy pop or the pretenders i love all punk ..different people like different music and in this case mike muir from suicidal tendencies liked metal and punk so they made crossover and the kids liked it so what if you don't like it don't complain people like different music
carnifex714 9 months ago
"There was a cover and there all in black leather jackets sitting at a white castle hamburger stand, and that's when we said yes!" Priceless xD
LostDreamWaver 9 months ago
whats the song 1:59?
lirannine 10 months ago
Jesus,Bob Harris is a schmuck
emmers57 10 months ago
Shut up wispering Bob Harris
desasterz 10 months ago
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JonnyThePunk1 11 months ago
Geez, listen to the Dictators and I think the Ramones might have got a bit of their que...
PeterMayer 1 year ago
this is probably the worst time in music history. 2009 and 2010 I'm sure are gonna be dreadfull refferences in quotations of the punks of the future. And I don't se it clearing up any time soon. Not while Simon Cowall's arround. And Justin Bieber, when he came threw, I thought come on! Do we need any more of these guys??? One is too much, there ar elike five big shit bands who do nothing with music. And theres also a whole cene of these cheep teenage sentimental arrogant poser bands. DAMN IT!
desasterz 1 year ago 3
@desasterz i agree. that's why i stay away from "modern music" it pisses me off.
dirty06maggot 11 months ago
@dirty06maggot Where do you live? I live in Middlesbrough.
desasterz 10 months ago
4:08 - 4:13 (ish) was downright creepy.
Andalenorokori 1 year ago
Thumbs up for Jello.
zeto330 1 year ago
@zeto330 Jello is a sellout now a days, i've been to a couple of gigs on his european tour, and the guy had the same speeches on every gig, wore thr same clothes, and said to a guy who tried to stage dive : "this is my stage, can't you see i'm tryin ' to do a show here!" Sad...
disoda 1 year ago
@disoda He had a point. Stage divers are morons.
xreddragonx 9 months ago
Thumbs up for Jello
zeto330 1 year ago
new york dolls are epic.
yashespatel 1 year ago
... don't say motherf*cker, motherf*cker. Now that's punk rock.
Jambo888 1 year ago
IGGY POP & THE STOGGES
COOL BAND!!
-(A)-
DIZTOMAK 1 year ago
If the Pistols are the birth of punk, The Velvets and the Stooges are the conception.
desasterz 1 year ago
punk is whatever you make it end of
piledriver89 1 year ago
can someone list all the songs? :)
JohnnyFuzz13 1 year ago 7
@JohnnyFuzz13 gimme danger- the stooges
i wanna be your dog- the stooges
lust for life- iggy pop
personality crisis- new york dolls
jet boy- new york dolls
looking for a kiss- new york dolls
search and destroy- the dictators
ghost rider-suicide
elo333333333 6 months ago 11
@JohnnyFuzz13
Gimme Danger, I wanna be Your Dog, A Million in Prizes... Personallity Chrisis, Jet Boy, Lookin For A Kiss... Search and Destroy.
desasterz 3 months ago
@desasterz thanks alot amigo !
JohnnyFuzz13 3 months ago
Punk rock is a reflection of the angst within us. What in the hell would we do without it?
Lyzistrata 1 year ago
What I really dont like about this overall well done and researched documentary is the unexplainable omission of the whole American 80s hardcore punk scene. I mean, they show Limp Bizkit and Blink 182 and they skip Bad Religion, Social Distortion, NOFX, Descendents and the Misfits? YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME MAN
ajonetto 1 year ago 4
@ajonetto yea i know they skipped over all the great bands
cometsdev 1 year ago
i love how even punks like james brown
MrHujh 1 year ago
iggy pop is the fuckin shitt! :)
20tawnee 1 year ago
I love it when people say "music is this, punk is just this and nothing else.." Henry Rollins even said how fascist some in punk were, that you can't do this, you can't do that, etc. Just dig the music geez!
PeterMayer 1 year ago
@PeterMayer
I agree, punk is whatever you want it to be, that was the whole point.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
FUCK EVERY BODY AND WHAT THEY THINK... HOW THAT FOR PUNK ... L.V.A. up the punx bitch!
REGGAE7777 1 year ago
I can't stand the new york dolls. I'm more of a fan of like terror, Madball, V.I.P, alota straight-up hardcore. Minor threat is old school hardcore.
giutar24 1 year ago
the dolls are alot like the stones really, both are classics and drug history so haha
deathbypowerglove 1 year ago
Thunders owns the Rolling Stones single handed! Shut up Wispering Bob Harris
desasterz 1 year ago
This video sucks. Punk has nothing to do with the dirty and smelly hippies of the late 60s and early 70s. If anything is smashed all of their free loving bullshit.
Punks get stuff done and solve problems. Hippies have fucked up our country and are the establishment now.
ne0nsurf 1 year ago
if you think REAL punks are any cleaner than hippies...youre tripped out.
rondoliomercutio 1 year ago
REAL PUNKS SHOWERED. Their are no more real punks unless it's older 30 somethings to 40 somethings. Kids today are just homeless people, not really punks at all. Real hardcore Punk died in the mid 80s. HIPPIES DON'T Shower. THE HIPPIE MOTO at woodstock WAS TO NOT SHOWER BACK IN THE 60S and to use that hummus shit under their arms.
Yes I laugh at ugly smelly hippies that think they're are punk rockers when really they're just smelly homeless people wearing emo clothing + hippie hair.
ne0nsurf 1 year ago
but you mainly find those types in frisco.
lmfao
ne0nsurf 1 year ago
@ne0nsurf good for you man
rondoliomercutio 1 year ago 2
@ne0nsurf Iggy was NO hippie, you fool. He was more opposed to them than most later punks, especially those hypocrites in the anarcho/crust movement.
xreddragonx 9 months ago
@xreddragonx Okay congratulations, you found one person, idiot. Iggy-pop wasn't pro hippie.
Other than that this doc sucks hairy ballsacks.
I prefered the hardcore scene of L.A./orange county. All the hippies hated it. ;]
ne0nsurf 7 months ago
Industrial is far better, SPK could send you into convulsions then probably eat your brains.
jamschnitter 2 years ago
industrial is dead
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
all of you are wrong.....punk is a way of life more like a culture its a fredom of expression a way to tell hey "fuck you all" punks don't give a shit about anybody's opinon.
giutar24 2 years ago 14
@giutar24 this is true... and as a punk i gotta say fuck the new york dolls fuck glam rock fuck 77 music i cant stand that poppy lets dress up in drag and sing about love bull shit id rather be drunk at a minor threat show
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
What do you mean "as a punk?" Whether you like them or not, if you didn't have the Dolls then you wouldn't have the Ramones, if you didn't have the Ramones then you wouldn't have the Clash and so on....
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome you could say that about any type of music though i mean your telling me without nwa we wouldnt have gangster rap its a cop out to say kids arent gonna get pissed play three chords and say fuck my parents fuck the establishment fuck what people want me to be no dude thats not how it works your telling me that the adolescents were influenced by the dolls your high on propane and propane accessories
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Err, where did i say the adolescents were influenced by the dolls? Can you copy and paste that for me instead of using king of the hill related comments? Fact is that if you didn't have the dolls, there'd be no ramones, without the ramones there wouldn't be much of any of those crappy punk bands from the 90's...
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome im not saying that yous said the adolescents were influenced by transgenders, by the way they were from the 80s and what im a horrible human being for denying that they were the stepping stone for punk rock fine than i guess i am but real punk rock isnt about hey im gonna open up a store and sell shit to kids so they can spend money on looking poor no its diy this is america god damn it do it yourself
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
What and who constitutes as stepping stones generally depends on who you ask. Punk is whatever you want it to be, that was the whole point, but most people assumed it was a strict set of morals that had to be lived by, punk can be anything, that was the message.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome and glam rock isnt punk to me so what is the problem?
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Maybe glam rock isn't punk to you, but the DIY ethic and lack of many chords is as much punk to others as other things are to you. Punk isn't just safety pins, mohawks and "whoooah's..." Its lots of things, early punk wasn't the crap it is today.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome im not saying to be punk you have to get a leather jacket and an old fiftys herse and act like a cock i wear jeans and a band shirt so what nofx is crap because i belive they are pretty musicaly talented the anti heros are crap and so are the casualties no man thats punk singing about OH HEY I GOT NO JOB I GOT NO MONEY COME ON BABY LET ME BE YOUR HEARTH THROB no dude fuck that noise i want to hear dead cops thats punk
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin The fact that you even label yourself shows you're a silly teenager with no clue what he's talking about. Bands from '79 onward don't get to be the "true" punk originators just because the meatheaded stereotype they quickly made of punk appealed to angry little latecomer boys. You probably consider nu-metal inspiring, 80s Metal-infused garbage like DRI, Biohazard, CoC to be more "punk" than the Ramones. What a joke. Metal ain't punk, neither is beer and slamdancing crap.
xreddragonx 9 months ago
@brownboyskin
Whether you choose to like them or not, the Dolls were punk before punk was even thought of, punk was a word to fit what was happening, there are no rules, people just made rules up which is ironic considering "punk" is supposed to be about rebellion, or so people claim.... I'm not a fan of the Dolls, but i can appreciate the role they played.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Well its all a matter of taste, i prefer the older bands like the Damned and the Clash, i'm not big into glossy modern punk, i can't relate to kids singing about LA or losing their chick.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome i support the ira
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Then you're not very smart, haha.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Then you're not very smart, haha.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome why because they want there country back?
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
What are you talking about? Have you even been to Ireland? haha.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
I'm pretty sure the natives would like their land back too, haha. Who do Ireland want their country back from exactly? The IRA aren't some proud group of men seeking fortune for their families, they're basically terrorists who murder and reek havoc in their own country, i have friends who had to leave Belfast because of the fighting. So carry on supporting them, you might as well support the Al Qaueda...
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome i do one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Do they fight for your freedom? Who's freedom are they fighting for exactly? They kill their own people.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome lol i dont know em fuck em
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Therein lies the true aspect of punk eh? haha, fuck the dead people, i don't know them. Yeah, i didn't know anyone at 9/11, guess they should be fucked too? Its amazing how people show their true colours on YT.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome lol you think i give a shit about 9/11 again didnt know em fuck em and im more of a rockabilly guy thank a punk rocker i cut off my mohawk a while ago
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
What does that even mean?
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
What difference does it make whether you have a mohawk or a silly Elvis quiff? haha.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@GilbertSyndrome i look better i suppose
brownboyskin 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Well i'll agree with you there, i think mohwaks look a tad silly, haha.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
I'm not sure what a mohwak is though........
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@brownboyskin
Well its all a matter of taste really. I prefer the likes of the Clash and the Damned, i can't relate to glossy modern bands who sing about LA and losing their chick and how bad school is, i'm 39 and i'm British.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@giutar24
If they don't give a shit then why are they always whining about what people think of them...? haha. I don't even know what a "punk" is anymore... back in the day it was just a way of making music, no limits and no talent.
GilbertSyndrome 1 year ago
@giutar24
punk rock was a new way to sell records marketed as a way of life.
clockworktoastboy 1 year ago
Im sick of BB BRUNES!!! Paris would have had an interesting set of artists like Miggles, As Dragon and the Parisians if it werent for those jerks playing on Star Academie in their torn designed jeans and Nick Valensi guitars and all that...
desasterz 2 years ago
what song are the stooges playing in 2:01??????
jesselakerr 2 years ago
preppies? nah i don't care about them. they're annoying.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
and anti-60s as well
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
It really wasn't anti-60s at all. You don't know what you're talking about. If anything it's just an extension of 60s bands like The Sonics, The Seeds, The 13th Floor Elevators, The Velvet Underground, etc. etc.
jobie1963 2 years ago
You haven't nary a fucking clue as to what the fuck you're talking about. It was always about ending the 60s and ending the long drawn out boring progressive songs as well.
The bands you named were drug using mental midgets.
Dick dale, link wray, johnny ray, gene vincent, now that was early music.
Buy some more neurons, mental midget.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
You really don't get it. Lenny Kaye (Patti Smiths guitarist, and notable early punk) compiled Nuggets, 60s garage rock, because that's all he listened to. It doesn't matter whether you think it was good or bad, the fact is that 60s bands had endless influence on punk bands. You can pretend that punk was about "ending the 60s", but you're wrong. And you write like an 8 year old. Are you 8 years old, little girl?
jobie1963 2 years ago
boy you are an inane and delusional retard if you've never heared of fast 50s surf guitar bands and people like dick dale, link wray, etc. if it wasn't for dick dale, there would be no fast punk, metal or fast alternative music. case closed
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
I know who Dick Dale is. He is public knowledge. I had a surf radio show in college. I'm not arguing that Dick Dale didn't have influence on punk rock. Of course he did.
jobie1963 1 year ago
Read a book.
jobie1963 2 years ago
I did, it was about your life and it said that you sucked cock for a living.
shitty book, shitty life you got their. hahaha
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
btw rock n roll didn't start out with people who had long hair. les paul didn't have long hair, dick dale didn't have long hair, link wray didn't have long hair.
the rebelious rock n roll bands looked like tough greasers/surf side gang members with greased back hair.
with the late 60s came the faggoty era of rock n roll where people look and sung like sissies. robert plant anyone?
what punk did was take rock n roll back to it's roots and stripped it down again.
case closed
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
some of the band footage is from 78-79
/watch?v=fYXAG7t6vKA
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
Thurston Moore!!!
g4thz 2 years ago
It`s obvious that punk and metal mixed up at the end of the 70`s
InBloodRust 2 years ago
no it's not. metal ripped off punk. dick dale did speed shit way before everyone.
discharge was doing destrcutive fast stuff in 77'. metallica and megadeath ripped em off.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
if thats the case, then it was motorhead that ripped discharge off, and motorhead was one of metallica and megadeths biggest influences. i dont think they ripped punk off tho, i think metal was just getting progressivley heavier and faster
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
i've seen lemmy mention how the ramones and punk was a big influence on motorhead, so yeah i think they did rip off punk because metal just wasn't fast. punk was the fast genre.
i don't think motorhead had anything as fast as discharge until 80 or 81.
and discharge had their first record in early 77.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
anyway people get so caught up in the sex pistols that they don't realize their were many punk bands that played abbrasively fast music around 76-78
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
thats not ripping punk off tho. if everyone who ahd influences was ripping therew influences off, then everyones a poser except the first caveman who banged on a rock
i think both genres are great and even if u dont like metal i think u should have respect for it at elast, because most metalhead have respect for punk even if they dont like it
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
of course they're ripping it off. a ton of metal bands did because THEY LIKED IT. i'm not talking shit on bands that rip it off. i never would. i don't like the metal bands that look like a bunch of hair farmer hippie fags that play these gay ass solos and then do a bunch of punk style fast chording and say punk is easy to play because it's not. when you look past the ramones, sex pistols and a few others you will soon learn that their was some complex techniques out their.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
gbh, discharge, exploited, TSOL, the vandals, D.I., Adolescents, Circle jerks, descendents, agent orange, the crowd, the outsiders, the blades, etc.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
metallica and megadeth dont look like hippies tho, and they dont say punk is easy to play. hippies are like bilnd melon (which is a good band actually)
they dont look like fags either, its more homosexual to have a pink mohawk then long hair (im not saying i dont digg punk hair)
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
well they look like girls and some of them look like hippies. pink howaks? who has those????? maybe some new wave chick in 85. lol
i noticed a ton of metal heads cut their girly hair in the 90s. it's funny how they were being called sissies so they had to cut it. lol
even metallica cut theirs.
shorter hair looks best.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
alot of hardcore bands has members with pink mohawks or other really faggoty hair like exploited and shit.
and who ever called metallica sissies? im pree sure everyone called them pussies AFTER they cut here hair, long hair is a symbol of rock and roll and has been since the late 60s, its rebelling against conformist pussies with short hair
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
hahaha total bullshit and lies on your part.
you say a lot of hardcore bands had members with pink mohawks, well let's see them!
if you want to look at faggots + sissies with high pitched girly voices, look no farther than your gay ass judas priest singer + most hair metal bands of the 80s.
metallica were getting tired of being called sissies + were even being called out by a cartoon called beavis and butthead, then what happened? all of a sudden, they all cut their hair. ha ha ha ha
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
please post the url pics with those bands names. example, w w w . google . com/band . gif
etc
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
i hate judas priest and all hair metal bands so thats irrelevant
and metallica got more shit for cutting there hair then for having long hair
also, i never sed rock started out with long hair, i sed its been a symbol of rock since the 60s (which is has)
you sound very un-punk. in fact, u sound just as bad as preppy fucking conformists thinking that ur views are the only ones right. punk just means being urself, but ur saying its wrong for people to have long hair if thats what suits them?
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
dude you're so inane and base it's not even worth discussing if you can't face the fact that metal bands were directly ripping off a hippie look.
i don't care if someone has medium length long hair that looks like a surfer.
whether you like it or not, punk was pretty anti-long hair and anti-hippie, beards, etc.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
punk was anti establishment too, and guess what? the clash and the ramones, along with many other punk bands are on a major label. its about the music, not ur hair or whether u have a beard or not. and metal was not "ripping off" anything, they jsut liked long hair, they may have been inspired y hippies or w/e but thats not ripping shit off. thats liking a style. guys have used long hair to rebel since biblical times.
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
most punks bands were not on major labels and the music came from the streets. but that wasn't the argument.
it IS a lot about the looks(plural) too and their were many but the long hair hippie look wasn't a part of it.
if led zep and black sabbath were the originators then it certainly had that hippie element in the look and some of the attitude, that is clear.
people with all types of hair have rebelled far before biblical times. romans had some cool short haircuts.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
one of those was style in the early 2000's. it's where you flip it up in the front. it was a roman look in the ancient republic.
anyway, punk was rebelling against the looks of the late 60s(the same looks that the metal heads copied from the hippies).
punks were against the same old hippie look. flaires, flap your hair in the breeze, 5 minute songs, solos forever. etc.
so the rebellers were the punks.
some of the metal bands copied the speed of the punks like discharge.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
Well, obviously the points you are making aren't ubiquitous. Some hardcore bands, like Deep Wound, had long hair and featured plenty of overwrought guitar solos.
I don't think they were rebellion specifically against the way hippies and prog rockers looked, but against what they stood for. Let's not forget that one of Johnny Rotten's favorite bands was Can, the epitome of communal hippie ethics in the late-60s/early-70s.
jobie1963 2 years ago
the first hardcore came from L.A. with bands like the circle jerks, TSOL, agent orange, the adolescents, the vandals, D.I., etc
it started in l.a. dumb fuck.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
Right. Bands like the Circle Jerks. Good point, because Keith Morris had long hippie hair and smoked weed. You can keep your ignorant black and white opinions, but you're wrong.
jobie1963 2 years ago
you illiterate mental midget, you don't even know the l.a. hisotry. keith didn't even start out as the circle jerks original singer dumb fuck and when he joined them he didnt have dread locks, he had short surfer hair. the place where he lived was an anarchist flat/warehouse they hated hippies. he didn't even smoke pot. he was anti hippie, dumb fuck.
also Look up bands like the screamers, the crowd, ch3, and others because that stuff started in 77, IDJIT.
case closed
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
I'm very familiar with The Screamers, who I would assume you despise, considering they were partly responsible for the influx of artists into the punk movement.
It's obvious the anti-hippie sentiment wasn't pervasive. Read a Chuck Dukowski interview. He said that hippies in the late 70s were hypocritical, but that "he missed the party" in the 60s and that he had a lot of respect for that culture. Yikes! Could this issue be a little more gray than you're making it out to be!?
jobie1963 1 year ago
But many punk bands WERE on major labels. Never Mind the Bollocks (the quintessential artifact from that era) was released on Virgin, and the first single for the record was released on EMI.
jobie1963 2 years ago
the sex pistols didn't start out on emi dumb fuck. they had demos out for an entire year and it's not like they needed emi anyway with the press they got before they even signed with them.
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
No bands "start out" on a major label, that's not how it works. The Sex Pistols demos (Spunk) were recorded for the purpose of getting onto EMI. Which worked. Because they wanted to be on a major label.
jobie1963 2 years ago
incorrect. they started out on malcoms sex label but those weren't their big songs so they never cared about them, mental midget. emi was a full year later and after they had already been touring.
buy some more neurons, loser.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
I'd like some sources on this one. Either way, it's irrelevant how they started out. Most bands very first releases are self-released. The Sex Pistols still grabbed onto a major label as soon as they could. How anti-establishment is that? Not very.
jobie1963 1 year ago
you have a lot to learn.
/watch?v=bmsZAAq-ERs
/watch?v=UQMypKlUIE4
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
i have nothing to learn. you're fucking ignorant and are completely missing the point of what punk's about. sid vicious is rolling over in his grave. i will not answer because you have no idea what you are talking about and clearly need to be more informed about this shit. punk isn't about hating people that hate the same things you do, its about going against society WITH the people that share you same views and beliefs. u need to understand this before you speak. this is immature, so bye
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
Sputnik1337, you're an inane fuckwit. Why don't graduate jr college so you can comprehend what is being said, dumbfuck.
yourgayassdrinkspiss 2 years ago
Pay no attention to sputnik aka jobie, he's just your typical internet loser.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
I'm just responding to the fact that you said punk was about destroying the 60s. Knowing Greg Ginn, and that he has always been a Dead-Head (did you know that Greg Ginn loved the Grateful Dead?), the issue is more complicated than that. Lydon loved Can, Dukowski loved Zeppelin, Ginn loved the Dead. Deal with it.
jobie1963 1 year ago
Yeah, and Iggy was heavily influenced by both the Doors and the Who
PortaCustodis 1 year ago
I love Raw Power it makes you feel like someone else. Someone dangerous.
13thfloor18 1 year ago
looks at l.a. hardcore and compare that to iggy. not even close.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
I'm not comparing L.A. Hardcore to Iggy. I'm talking about punk in general. Iggy and the Stooges was considered a punk artist and they were influenced by the Doors and the Who. That's all I'm saying. I didn't say anything about L.A. Hardcore. I was responding to jobie1963's comment about the issue being more complicated than just "destroying the 60s", which I think is an accurate statement.
I'm from NY, so when I think of punk, "L.A. Hardcore" is not really what immediately pops into my head.
PortaCustodis 1 year ago 12
@PortaCustodis Yeah u have agnostic front u lucky bastard
Scthyer32 4 months ago
lmfao lydon liked led zep? nope.
black flag weren't even the first wave of l.a. punk bands, you inane retard.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
Maybe if you learned how to read, you would see that I claimed that Lydon loved Can, not Zeppelin. You can also add pretentious, art folker Tim Buckley to the list of Lydon's favorites. He also loved The Creation (60s), Neil Young (60s),
Black Flag formed as the band Panic as early as 1976. Dukowski didn't join until Summer '77, but that's still early, especially for the breed of punk they were playing. And he loved Zeppelin!
jobie1963 1 year ago
no it's clear that you do have a lot to learn, oligophrenic retard.
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
HAHAHA! Be honest, everyone, how many had to Google "oligophrenic"?
Look, I don't know why people come to YouTube to get so emotionally invested in stuff that OTHER PEOPLE did...just STFU, get out there, and do something for other people to argue about.
PortaCustodis 1 year ago
i'll make it simple for you, obsequious chimpanzee.
shove a burrito up your ass, beaner
TheNewMusicNetwork 1 year ago
LMFAO!!! What an educated thing to say! Clearly, you're very intelligent.
I'm off to shove a burrito up my ass now.
What's a beaner? Is that one of those weird L.A. terms that never quite made it into the popular vocabulary?
PortaCustodis 1 year ago
It's cute that you have to use personal attacks because you know that your arguments can't stand up to even the slightest criticism. Calling us stupid doesn't change the fact that you're simply wrong about punk rock destroying the sixties.
Music evolves organically; each genre borrows elements from the genres which immediately precede it. For punk rock, this means glam, garage, mod rock, freakbeat, 60s surf, the Motor City scene, and the downtown NY scene - all from the 60s (and early 70s).
jobie1963 1 year ago
seeing metallica get in the rock and roll hall of fame, instead of The Stooges just... disgusts me.
rockandroll4life1 2 years ago 11
why? they are completely different styles of music. at least compare two bands that are alike.
jtbrownru 2 years ago
Well, thats true but.
The Stooges have contributed alot more then Metallica has to rock and roll,
i mean the Stooges have been around forever, and they inspired bands like The RAMONES!!!
rockandroll4life1 2 years ago 5
metallica was the gateway for metal to get onto the radio, thats revolutionary if u ask me
metallica also almost single handedly created thrash metal, and they saw hair metal for what it was (pussy shit in it for the money and chicks) and gathered a following of people against hair metal. they inspired many teens to pick up a guitar, and they're music was fucking massive and exploded. i agree tht the stooges diserve a spot in the hall of fame, but metalica definitley diserves a spot aswell.
Sputnik1337 2 years ago
fuck metallica
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
dick dale is a legend
TheNewMusicNetwork 2 years ago
@rockandroll4life1 The Stooges are being inducted this year
Maximillion666 1 year ago
wow i can tell that the ramones were Heavily influenced by the New York Dolls
quadcannon95 2 years ago
Rock is damaged merchandise, return, or still be an idiot and consume. The music always will be more important that people, names or trademarks.
noclubdj 2 years ago
fukk yeah new york dolls!!
jesselakerr 2 years ago
gimme danger the stooges
suzesrc 2 years ago 2
For the love of god, somebody tell me the name of that brilliant Stooges track at 0:24!
oHelmslyo 2 years ago
Gimme Danger. It's off Raw Power.
Jesus4loves4me 2 years ago 2
THANK YOU!
oHelmslyo 2 years ago
Handsome Dick Manitoba of the Dictators - favorite band of all time. The Dictators are the key link to fun junk and punk. Can't even get enough of those guys. no bullshit.
RockRican 2 years ago
Tool!? Poser!
reanimate21 2 years ago 2
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The Dolls & The Pistols sucked!!! BUT they were two of the most relevant.
reanimate21 3 years ago
tool
paulbuss 2 years ago
johnny thunders looks like that motley crue dude
grungesponge489 3 years ago
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EvilPresidente 2 years ago
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EvilPresidente 2 years ago
i think its the other way around
darwinator12932112 2 years ago
I missed seeing the original Dolls. But in 1976,David Jo and Syl toured with J.Geils Band. My friend and I skipped clsound-classes at Redford High in Detroit, got a bottle of bourbon and hung out with the Dolls during their sound-check..so Rock and Roll..My friend got sloppy drunk and spent the night in jail...Memories!
DeeDonner 3 years ago 4
i wanted to be johnny thunders when i was in high school!!! thanks so much for posting this,more people need to recognize what punk rock really is and get this image of green day and blink 182 as punk out of their heads. I love psychodelic, "REAL" indi rock, art rock, grunge, hip hop(not todays crap)but punk rock is what opened my eyes to where music could be taken when i was around 12 yrs old. people dont realize how much these bands mean to todays music, just as much as the beatles(who i love)
rachsyeve 3 years ago 4
though i like green day and blink 182, i agree wiv u. yh dese bands paved the way for alot of todays music
FamousCFC66 2 years ago 2
I still want to be Johnny Thunders!
paulbuss 2 years ago 2
Very true, I agree.
metalpunk22 2 years ago
thanks for this upload!
Th3SundanceKid 3 years ago 4