Islamic System - Dr israr Vs Javed Ahmed Ghamidi Part 7/8

[userzain]

Ghamdi is a traitor. he should fear Allah

[5940279]

Ghamdi is Son of America

[Dathinkingman]

you know who is missing in this debate? ALLAH. may be ALLAH should come down from heaven to tell the human what exactly is the correct interpretation of his Law. or maybe ALLAH had done a better job in writing his message to us avoid all this debate.

[muslimgiga]

@Dathinkingman There is something called "Faith". As soon as Allah comes down from heaven and "joins" the debate, your SCREWED because you witness God. Faith is belief in the unseen. If you see God, there is NO POINT for faith.

So ya, I'd like Allah to come down. But people like you would be SCREWED as soon as he does. Excuses are OVER.

lmaof. You can't look at the sun for 2 minutes and you expect to look at the one who created it.

:( smh

[Dathinkingman]

@muslimgiga Contd. moreover does god not have the power to make himself succesfully appear to my eyes? despite the fact that i cant see the sun? is god that weak that he cant even give a visual experience of his existence to me?

and secondly you failed to answer the orignal point: why hasnt allah made his point more clearer ? if he is sending us a message why not be clear of what it means so as to avaoid all confusion and debates?

[Emran195]

ghamdi is a farig man

[mimiyan2]

I pesonally am a Israr fan and don't agree on alot of stuff that ghamidi says but in this video ghamidi sahab sounds more rational. But remeber that ghamidi sahab has some major differences from the rest of muslim ulamas. May Allah Guide him and may Allah bless Israr uncle with his Jannah and Rahmat!

[akdlhr]

gamdi sb ki bat behter hone k bawajood log israr sb ki trf hain to muslims ka zawal samhaj agayaa hay muje to...

[Khalid4038]

Laant hai Ghamdi pe. Yeh shaks Muslim ho he nahi sakta. Yahood ka agent hai.

[MrCitizenaction]

Lollra Ghamdi is the greates scholer of Islam but he not for an idiot like you, Amercia has a president called Barac Hussain Obama than why pakistan cannot have a non muslim president, what you choose Zardari hahahaha

[ThePakiparis]

its not a competition btw ghamdi and dr isrrar its a discution so dont make it like that;;;; btw great knoledg

[5940279]

dr israr ahmad is great, what ever he is saying is abselutly right

[TheAsimkazmi]

DR.ISRAR is totally confused

[furqankaimkhani]

@TheAsimkazmi Dr Israr Ahmed is not confused. Actually, he is conciouse and caring about the innocent people like us. Since Ghamidi tries to turn the favour onto non-islamic views using non-contextual references in a lucid manner, therefore Dr Israr tries to clarify in order to let viewers be on the right track. May Allah grant Dr sahab high places in heavens.

[franzxxxx]

Gamdi is logically much sound than israr. thumbs up mr. gamdi

[sameer594]

@franzxxxx becoz ghamdi is supporter of jews and Americans

[muslimempire]

When Mohammad Ali (US Boxer) refused to go viet-nam war due to religious reasons, US imprisoned him. There is no comparison between Islamic system and US system.

Islam is the only solution of all mankind issues.

[ssyotube]

stone age minds following a paedophile, murder and rapist. the world has gone far far ahead of you fools.

[siddiqui16]

@ssyotube

lol...

you have a narrow view and a closed mind...

[haartengineer]

hahahaha... look at this idiot ghamdi.. now he bring in Quaid e Azam ..haha as if he was a messenger (naozobillah)... if the talk is about islam, then talk about islamic terms as he calls himself islamic scholar (i call him bidati)..so talk in terms of religion, y brining quaid e azam??? ahhaha idiot..

[furqankaimkhani]

@haartengineer ! You should not have called Ghamidi idiot even if his views are idiotic. Don't call him names, because You know what! Truth finally wins even if it appears that it is not going to win.

[shutupji]

Mr Ghamadi talks as to just to melt islam into its weekest forms..... not accepted...

[mrkhalidabbasi]

Dr Israr's r.h opinion is absolutely right and according to the Quran and Sunnah.ghamidi has slave mind and puppet of kuffar bt dr israr r.h was a great researcher of islam.

[AshharQr]

we muslims are experiencing a downfall frm 1000 yrs...and we wll continue getting defeat at the hands of non muslims...our lords..what a pity muslim bros...our beloved Prophet(S.A.W.) has given us best system...n.. still we seek globalization help...Allah Reham farma is ummat par...all things re going according to a hadis:religious matters wll be asked by those people(ghamdi) who re much inferior in knowledge"..bus Allah he Reham farmai is ummat par...badbakht ummat....

[nabeelaejaz]

They both are good!

[knapps12]

poor girtl...could not ask a question..lol

[irfanullah007]

@knapps12 lolllllllllllllllllllllllllll. She always ask stupid questions, i am happy she cant ask one.

[saifisbrave]

many of the people that are comment on islam in a defensive manner due to the weak nature of the muslim world, and when if sometime this wave of history turned around again and the muslim got the upper hand, they will be the first to change their tunes.

[imexcruciate]

pefectly said in little words, you rock man saifisbrave (Y)

[rizviwajidrizvi]

Dr. Israr has admitted that the Hadides of Sahee Bukhari can be weak.

[rizviwajidrizvi]

Mr. Ghamidi's arguments are logical whereas Mr.Israr's arguments are illogical

[angelindevils]

Do you guys know that mr ghamidi is challenged many times by students of MADINA University.

They think him as a fitna for ISLAM because he quotes from QURAN and HADITH with out context or exact relevance.

MADINA University's students want to debate and question him on media to expose him....

Ghamidi and tahir ul qadri are seen as same in the University.

Both as traitors to ISLAM with their own ideology.

May ALLAH show us all the right path.

Ameen

[Skhan27]

Dr israr has to more knowledgeable to argue on this point.This is modern world u have to understand.

[beautifuldua17]

merey bahio pehley islam ka acha knowledge lo aur then decide karo k who is rite n whos wrong...:)

[saifisbrave]

couldn't agree more beautifuldua17 strange name by the way.

[oksialkot]

What a stupid women (host) she is.

[merajdynamic]

Agreed... :)

[oksialkot]

First time in life, i have realized that Dr Israr's understanding of Islam is NAAQAS (not correct). Ghamdi is great.

[dadarocks]

Imaan lao ( muslim bano) barna katl kar diye jaooge.. so much for there is no compulsion in matters of faith.. bhai great

[dadarocks]

israr ahmed comes of as blood thirsty manaic roaming arounxd with sword expanding islmaic empire forcing jazayah ghamdi is trying his level best to hide the real face of islam but israr is exposign it .. thank you israr now I am better informed and will guard against islamic blood thirst

[saifisbrave]

i am sorry to have read ur comment, but if u agree with Mr. Ghamidi and the muslims of that time had also listend to notions like Mr. Ghamidi and just sit down after only conquering the areas that were part of Arabia, then my brother u and i would have been still praying to the lifeless images that people build with their own hands and may be Islam would have never reached us.

[dadarocks]

I am not muslim so i guess you are mistaken there.. anyway point is is you are endorsing what islamists did then which was just running through people's empire with their sword without no provocation whatsoever.. then why are you cribbing now when america is giving taste of the same medicine.. is not it hypocricy

[pashaj92]

Muslims have never run through other peoples territory to terrorise people.

I can count at least 20major attacks on defenseless countries in the last 10years and if we go back 50years then the figure would be between 50 and 100

[dadarocks]

Lyign will get younowhere

(1) Persia was attacked why tell me did any zorashtrain ruler atatcked muhd's territory answer is nooooooooo

(20 For 900 years one afetr another muslim army kept attacking constantinopole because muhd asked them to do again no constantinopole army provoked attack

(3) Go read traty of tripoli and you will find how ottomona empire openly atatcked american cargo ships and justified it by sayign since us is kafir country hence fair target

[pashaj92]

Well all of your and my answers can be shown to be my opinion against yours. There is no real citations.

All the major writings regarding what you believe appear to be written by biased Christianists.

[aliwarraich]

I Have never seeeen most stupid islami scholar (so called) than dr israr what a stupid idiot his views does not belong to reality..... he is so stupid... and his foloowrs???? LOL!!!:)

[TheEagleEye20]

mR ALI I HAVE SEEN MANY LIKE YOU WHO DONT KNO ABOUT ISLAMMM.....READ YOUR HISTORY....THEN COMMENT ON SUCH ISSUES...DR ISRAR IS IS KNOWLEDE OF TRUTH AND HONESTLY GHAMDI IS A DOG TRAINED BY CIA...

[jgen100]

Dr. Israr should take a break, and review his stance on Islamic state. Dr. Ghamdi is right and has knowledge and wisdom on these situations.

[nokia5095007]

ghamdi says

meray mutabik ye hai

meray mutabik ye hai

meray mutabik ye hai

meray mutabik ye hai

meray mutabik ye hai

meray mutabik ye hai

meray mutabik ye hai

meray mutabik ye hai

ghamdi sahib is Qadiyani thats why he have no proof

[nashar65]

Actually I think he is having an eye on shia protection in future in Pakistan, if you keep this in mind you will understand him

[merajdynamic]

Sorry to say, but its a stupid argument. By saying "Meray mutabiq", he is expressing his right as a contradicting person. Anyone can contradict an argument. Its a basic right...

[freedekho]

Three very roshan khail, very liberal, and my favourit Dr Israr Alone.

i don't like this female host, its Islamic program, and two very famous and respected Islamic scholars there and she is wearing half selves, doesn't look good.

at the end i would say we should encourage these types of discussions, it would make our mind clear.

[saifisbrave]

great thing to mention the lady in the show and her inappropriate dress, this is some time the problem with us all. that while arguing on some of the most complicated of issues that we forget the most basic and fundamental Islamic teachings are ignored. in the end i do like to say that i to agree with ideals of Mr. Dr. israr

[apkaapna]

ghamdi sb ka nukta e nazar ghalat hai

[lollra]

dr israra ahmad iz the greatest schloar of islam now a days,definately islam iz a code of life if we follow islam the way ghamidi is saying then we are like americans,ghamidi iz saying tht every one has choice if they wana follow islam or not even faraz things,and even muslim country can b running by non-muslim as he is also a american agent,parda zaroori nahi,sharab jaeiz hai agar ghar mai pee jaye,zanna chup kar kar loo jab tak pakre na jaooo,is hea scholar of islam to u?

[saifisbrave]

Brother i also agree with Dr. israr, but i may say one thing that u may want to take a little piece of caution in your statement and just don't do a unislamic thing, which is to blame people without proof that they are the agents of a certain country. i am not saying that he is not or he is, but its not good for you to blame some one so quickly without a proof. what if he is not a agent, will that not make u sinful to blame a innocent men. i again say that i am a supporter of the views of israr.

[mustaftiyaahmed]

@lollra dr israr is no doubt the greatest scholar of islam.let ghamidi say watever he is saying but no true muslim will take his sayings n verdicts against dr israr,s.i am nt a scholar but can sense n see n feel that ghamdi is cmpletely wrong in many places.ghamdi is nt speaking in accordance with quraan n sunnah n shariah..

[rizwan6feb]

Both scholars are great. We need to have a lot of knowledge before critizing on any one

[paki3393]

Israr Ahmad talks about TOTAL Islamic Laws being established while Ghadmi Talks about it bit by bit which is not completely acceptable because Islam is not just a religion but its a deen.

[SkZindagiRocks]

ghamdi's personality and mental approach is based on submission towards western policies and pleasing west only.. while Dr. Israr based his views solely on Quranic principles and the islamic honor

[SkZindagiRocks]

soor key pilley ghamdi.. too kysy bak sakta hai . key quran ki kuch ayat ka itlaq ab nai hota.. behenchod too kia vahi ley kar aya hai apny sath .... kunjer ki olad..

[hrc123pk]

Ghamdi is great

[PakistaniPathan786]

Dr. Ghamidi makes sense, while Dr. Israr sounds confused throughout this discusion. Dr. Israr looks more like a taliban leader.

[hafeezu3]

Ghamdi speaks logically, and has deeper, clear and non-radical understanding of the religion....

[k1ng0fheart]

Both presented their point of view in v convincing manner. I respect both of them. But what I realized after watching this debate that Dr Israr knows the reference and background of Quranic verses and Hadiths quoted, but Javed Ghmidi has not much knowledge about the background and circumstances under which these verses revealed. Dr Israr is v clear in what is left and what is right. "A little knowledge is dangerous " is applied on Javed Ahmed Ghamidi

[heyasad]

yes u r rite javed ahmed ghamdi allways describe the liberal islamic thoughts but islam is already liberal. Islam has no need to borrow liberalism from west cuz thats already flop in europe and america.

[jammjelly]

All the sects in Islam, are based on so called "Sunnat or Hadiths" . Even Ahmadi s gets the entity from the books of history(Aahadiths). And Quraan forbids the existence of firqas & firqa baazi is shirk according to Quraan is "Shirk". And Mulla is biggest defender of firqa baazi. Mulla Maafia is destroying Islam Quraan & Muhammad(saw), by spreading their own ideas through salafisim,sunnism , shiaism, Ahmadiism, wahabism. they are all biggest jaahils of this kainaat.

[Shahzad03]

With the thinking of Dr. Israr, Muslims cannot dominate the world in next 10000000000000000000 years. Mr. Ghamidi's comments make sense.

[hightmz30]

muslims just have to stand up for them selfs....we the muslims occupy middle earth .......which has been the center of civilization since history in memory......if muslims decide they can shape the future....this is not the age of military domination but the age of ideas. if muslims can establish a just social order on our lands the world will follow. as far as the big powers are concerned they are moving towards a nuclear confrontation.

[uatk]

Before u become a Muslim u are born a human... So think like a human... u cannot be the greatest if u don't have great principle.... and Islam is the Ulitimate Priciple but guess what not according the ppl like Dr Israr... And for Ghamadi presenting proof i believe if u take of the ear plugs from u ears u will for sure his proof for his claims....

[uatk]

There is only one Way and that is Islam it self not the teaching of ur so called scholars, but the teachings of Quran and Hadis,..... don't forget ppl Prophet Mohammad PBUH him self called Ullmas of 14th century worst creatures on the face of earth.... purpose of a religion is to make u a human being, but apparently according to the Muslims scholars of today it other way around.....

[kashifahmed72]

I agree with you. The so called Ulema of 14th century like Ghamidi, Tahir Qadri and rest of the alim from Bohri, Dauwadi, Qadyani and Ahmadi are the worst creatures on the face of the earth. Do you have little understanding to realize that all of them have one thing common. They all discard the rulings of Quran and Sunnath with same argument that every thing were applicable to the time of Nabi (SAW). This practice of modern interpretation with intention of harm damaged Judaism and Christianity

[kashifahmed72]

Go and read the history of these religions in Quran and you will find that what Ghamidi, Tahir Qadri, Bohri, Dauwadi, Qadyani and Ahmadi are trying to do others had done to Judaism and Christianity.

Now think another simple ruling from the fiqh of Sharriah. Nothing can be considered invalid until it is proven invalid. Does Ghamidi has any ayaat or Hadith to prove things invalid.

[kashifahmed72]

Finally think critically for at least once that what would be the activities of shatan and disbelievers to take you towards Jahanum. Convince you to discard the rulings of Islam and follow your Nafs. Is this not the same thing Ghamdi is doing The job of Shatan.

[uatk]

Are u seriously that dumb .... 1st of all so Called Ulma who create Fasad among ppl are the worst creature on the face of earth and i m pretty sure u would know who those Ullmas are the whole world knows it is not Ahmadis (Qadianis ) it is not Gahamadi now u think critically .... who were those Ullams who used Suni Shia as reason to kill, who can justify killing of innocent ppl under the name of Islam if that is Islam than i would love to be a non-muslim.....

[uatk]

You go read the history and try to understand it without the BOX of ur So called ALIM .... even before thinking about islam u need to know what is the purpose of a religion,..... Islam can not be the Ultimate truth if every other human loses his or her right of living regardless of their color or their believes. But With the Grace of Allah Islam is not that, "ULMA" like Dr Israr have portrayed, and so the whole world can see them going the AZABA ILLHI.....

[uatk]

You don't need Quran and Sunna to see that..... the worst Creatures are getting their Azab ... There is another versu

"Their Fitans will start from them and will end in them "..... U tell me who is receiving the fruit of their Fitna, I guarantee u it is not Ahmadis .... I 'll give u another example tell which Ullams are most ridiculed among their own ppl, ..Muslims in Pakistan tell the worst kind of Jokes about Molvies, i m pretty sure u heard about em ....

[alisalmankhan]

Actually ghamdi MUNKIR E HADEES he...iska aur Dr. Israr ka koi muqabla nahin...PAKISTAN me iski kitni izat he sab jante he...isko sirf wohi log follow karte he jin ko na deen pe amal karna hota he na uske mutabiq zindagi guzarni hoti he...

[uatk]

:) .... Paksitan main kis ki Izat ha ?..... who the hell is any one of u to decide that if some one is Munikir or not, only and only Allah has the right to judge some one .......i m not the one to judge but i can see who are receiving Azab illahi ....

[alisalmankhan]

dats wht i m saying dat who da hell Ghamdi is 2 decide k yeh sab cheeze uss zamane k lie thi...aur yeh baat k yeh sab cheeze sirf 1400 years pehle ki thi ghamdi ko kis ne batain..??

there is no evidence from Quran aur Sunnah dat these things were canclled by the ALMIGHTY ALLAH...tu phr ghamdi kese keh deta he k yeh sab cheeze mansokh hoo chuki he...??

[uatk]

what !!!! ...........are u telling me that ppl have not right to give there interpretation.... and by giving their interpretations they become munkirs..... and either ur too much into Dr Israr or u r def he gave his reasons and proof with every claim he made....... unlike Dr Isarar according whom its ok to kill non Mulims if Muslims are powerful enough where the hell is humanity in his teachings ........

[saifisbrave]

your words are some what harsh but i kind do agree with u.

[MyPendu]

Ghamdi sb is great scholar we always love and respect for him. he is really a great man and brave also................

[knapps12]

i  think no one lets thie poor girl speaks lollllllllllll she does not even know what to ask lolllllllllll she only repeats what they say lollllllll

[TradeMiracle]

If you want to see these type of debates between ulama go here;

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[jklfmaqboolmanzil]

i love this kind of debates between ulema,though in my view both the scolers are great but i tend to what Ghamidi sahib is saying

[Munibsamir]

With respect Dr.Israr is very nerrow minded and unhistorical. He has most of his own rigid concept of Islam which is very unprectical and denies the ground realities.He is still thinking of Khilafat he denies the rule of evolution and in fools peradise..Khilafat is not possible anymore..Where as Janab Ghamidi seems to be very literate and convincing.He is very scientific and very prectical.Muslims need scholers like Ghamidi in these days very much.Acc to Israr what ever USA is doing is right?

[uatk]

How is Khilafat not possible? Ahmadis have Kilafat for pass hundred yrs now, how can u say kilafat is not possible, According to Quran Kilafat is blessing which is given to his loved ones....

[alisalmankhan]

Ahmadis hav khilafat of their own..according to all sacts of islam there is a unanimous decision of UMMAH dat AHMADIS are murtads nd kafirs...plz dnt mention thier name here...

Jo NABI PAK (sallallaho aliehe wa'aliehe wasallam) ko akhri RASOOL aur NABI nahin manta woh kafir he...

[uatk]

Does ur reply seriously answers what i was asking for, ..... Every Islamic sect, declares other sect Non-Muslim, every scholar has there own interpretation, and any who disagrees is Kafir.... Muslims are so brain dead that they can't think of anything beyond the teachings of their own so called muslim scholars.

[icriosphinx]

Khilafah Is definitely possible. Dr. Israr explained what it is. It is democracy with Allah as supreme authority or "Iqtadar-e-Ala".

Btw. If USA had announced that we are taking over to expand Christianity, there would have been different consequences. But USA is deceiving. According to Dr. Israr a Muslim state will be clear and open about it's intentions so there's a difference.

[loveurcreator]

Jazakallah , Dr.israr talks more with daleel of quran and hadiths and mashallah is very knowledgable and has produced very educated people in his quran academy,one of them is shuja uddin. dr zakir naik choose him for peace tv

[AFilmDirector]

i dont know why but Dr. Israr's talk touches hearts.

[Charascheid]

Israr is one of the best " Jaahileen " of Pakistan. Yeah apni meraaj ko pohnchay huway Jaahil haiN. See how arrogant he is, Elm ka saath " Hilm " ka hona bohat zaruri hay, or is ka fuqdaan hai Israar Sahib maiN. You guys can see how he differ by saying that Ghamid is " Ghalat" whereas, Ghamidi, whenever, try to convey his opinion. He says that " maiN ikhtilaf kernay ki jisarat karooN ga. Ahle-Elm ka yehi tariqa hota hay. Mazay ki baat yeah hay kay, dono Jamat-e-Islami kay " Khaarji " haiN.

[jammjelly]

Ghaamidi is nor " Ahmadi " not " Munkar-e--hadeeth " He is, actually, " Munkar-e-Ahle-hadeeth ". He is more knowledgeable & capable than Dr. Israar Ahmad Saahib. He is really a " Faqeeh " as Quraan says that " Tafaqqu fid-Deen " or Mullah Gahamidi iss ki amali tafseer hay.

[alisalmankhan]

Ghamdi is actually 1 of da biggest fools of all times...ghamdi har cheez ko kehta he k sirf usi wkat k lie he ...i heared in his talks dat..

JAZIA sirf us wakt k lie tha aj nahin le sakte..

RAJAM ki saza sirf us wakt k lie thi aj nahin hoo sakti..

HATH katne ki saza sirf us wakt k lie thi...

THAKNOO k upar painche sirf us wakt k lie the...

[missfaizamalik]

Dr israr is teaching terorisiom not teaching true islam,

[hassanz25]

afarid of death;

[terajasoos]

i concur with u baby!!